They were like 10 years too late

if they launch with steam workshop support it might get traction, but as a standalone vanilla experience with zero community content it'll be dead in the water

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>custom minecraft server gets banned for aggressive pay to win microtransactions
>they make their own game
>shill it by calling minecraft shit and promising their game is much better in every aspect
>wow this game in beta is getting bigger updates than a finished game that is only getting small updates decades after release
>game releases and, as expected, it's nothing more than a shallow minecraft clone
from here on they'll just try to hype fake promises of how great the game will get in the future and beg modders to work for free on improving their game

>>737209641
Wait, it flopped

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piratesoftware stopped developing for it

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>>737209641
>vision for the future
>bring the hype back
>relaunch the viral buzz
How about just make a good fucking game I can enjoy right now?

>>737210269
Yep

>>737210269
The initial hype died out since the game is pretty barebones and apparently it’s hard to maintain servers and mods because there’s no versioning system

Don't think modding via curseforge would work via steam workshop. This will divide the community not rally it

>>737209641
>Make game
>It's a modest success
>You were expecting it to make you a billionaire so it's actually a failure
You know they're just going to abandon in at this rate.

>>737214332
>You know they're just going to abandon in at this rate
Just so long as they make it open source when they do I don't care

>>737209641
>we're avoiding steam because we don't want bad reviews
>3 months later
>we want a steam release

>Release game
>There's barely anything there
>"dude just mod it lol"
>Post-release updates add little to nothing
I stopped playing after two weeks.

>>737214597
Same but in that two weeks I got close to 100 hours of play. I got my moneys worth

>>737214512
as long as i dont have to buy it again on steam i will be leaving a negative review

>>737209641
Should've put it on Steam day one.

>>737213893
only sold like 4million copies

Grim

Why would you ever launch a PC game without Steam in the first place? It makes it DOA.

>>737217841
I don't really think he cares about the money since it's his passion project; the game is funded for years anyway. He said he wants it to be a 'forever game' but they lost a ton of time and work on it because of the retards at Riot, so now they've had to carry on with the 2021 build which is pretty barebones.

They would be best off cooking the game for a few years then putting it on Steam when it's somewhat competitive with Minecraft.

All I remember about hytale was that the trailers looked great, I lost interest when the chinks bought it, they got it back, it released unfinished, and some autist kept posting combat that looked better than minecraft's while claiming it was bad because of it. Anything else I should know?

>>737218267
>I don't really think he cares about the money since it's his passion project
this is either "he doesn't know" or a willing altering of the history, he only made the game because his mtx minecraft server was too aggressively greedy and he wanted to milk money out of people. he wants to be rich, that's his only "passion" in this project

>>737217841
The want an ecosystem ala Roblox/Fortnite

I don't think there was any threads after release

there's no point releasing a minecraft clone with nothing unique about it when minecraft has 9000 mods making it infinitely better than your game.

>>737219447
They basically planned for a modding scene like peak java minecraft day one and a bought a shitload of minecrap youtubers to shill their crap and got fucked because they didn't realize nearly all the money from minecrap comes from selling party plates with creepers on it and shit like that since basically nobody in this day and age is dumb enough to pay for minecraft and nobody actually wants a knock off of minecraft.

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>>737209641
he spent his entire budget on marketing and nothing on the actual product.

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>>737214512
>we're avoiding steam because we don't want bad reviews
KWAB

>>737209641
their idea for a game was "minecraft"

>>737209641
To succeed it needs to be better than minecraft, and have some structured content for people to enjoy without being pure "Make your own fun". There are plenty of ways it can succeed at being better than minecraft, but on launch it wasn't and had jank.

>>737209641
The MINECRAFT KILLER is only a decade late on it's release window. Surely that is not a problem, right? It's the same with that Garry's Mod 2 and its sausage guys.

Is this still having content updates? I pirated it around February or so and it seems like they were doing monthly updates at the time. I will consider boughtening it once it gets more feature complete

>>737221649
I mean being fair the problem with s&box isn't specifically the sausage men but over a decade of history to tell you that you should not under any circumstance let garry newman be a middleman to your shit, and it's frankly baffling that Valve didn't just polish up Steam Home as a base sdk for source 2 for people to fuck around in.

>>737217841
Releasing a game on Steam makes it DoA, like 99.999% of games on Steam are totally dead and releasing your game there is like pissing in the ocean.

>>737209641
I wanna fuck that creature.

>>737221498
>”minecraft” but we want to be the ones making money

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>>737209641
I remember Hytale, back during the original announcement, being explicitly advertised as an LBP2-ish game framework that just had minecraft as a default setting, where you'd be able to frankenstein it into almost whatever game you'd want extremely easily.
What we got with this beta was just a minecraft clone with SOME modding support, which has yet to bring something advanced to the table.

>>737221839
That's just PC in general, what better platform is there for an indie?

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>>737209641
>waste all of your original hype doing fuck all for years because your corporate overlords are retarded and want roblox
>waste all of your second wind hype by releasing outside of any major platform and in early access so there's nothing really to do
>focus on modding features rather than actually building the game out
>charge money for it
I wonder what happened.

>>737209641
why is there a random furry there

>>737225350
the funniest part
>focus on modding features but still REFUSE to allow any automation features

>>737225858
not sure but it would explain why Pirate Software is pushing tthis crap.

>>737221205
>we don't need Steam
>btw our game is Early Access, a term coined by valve

>release completely half assed product 'because we must do it now!!!!'
>people enjoy it.... for a day or two, until there's no content anymore
>wait wtf I thought--
this was so retarded, literally shut the fuck up for 6months to a year, add actual content, fix the fucking game, and then release it

this was handled extremely poorly and I'm really not expecting the hype to come back

>>737226289
>Early Access, a term coined by valve
lmfao

>>737226503
Feel free to point to an earlier usage in the context of video games. Before Steam Early Access, it used to just be called an open beta, and the idea of paying to be a beta tester would've been ridiculed.

>>737226625
nta, but I think you don't realize the irony of you trying to claim this, when minecraft started the fad and people very much were willing to pay for alpha and beta testing for the game

yes, 'early access' wasn't a term that was used in the way it is now, but it's also kickstarter games that started the fad, and that was before steam even had an early access option (and greenlight, and even whatever the system was called before they pushed greenlight)
you're a faggot and your argument is retarded, that is all

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>>737209641
>hytale is back bro omg let's buy it
>you have to buy it bro it might suck now but devs and modders are gonna save it
>dev wants to add a paid mod marketplace
>hype dies a little
>radio silence from the devs after a few meager updates
>modders basically given up
>not talked about at all a couple of months later
>literally completely forgotten in 2026
>mfw i didn't fall for hytale

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their biggest marketing was story mode and they released bare bones story mode

>>737226289
>Early Access, a term coined by valve
why are steamies like this?

>>737225350
>>737225927
They're focusing on modding because they're scammers hoping modders build their game for them

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Normalfaga doomed the game to fail when they started calling it a "minecraft killer". No game will ever come close to Minecraft's sandbox and multiplayer interactivity potential since the game is built on 17 years worth of features that just werk together. There are no memorable user-made moments in Hytale. I was literally playing on my mc server yesterday with my friends and one of them brough a ghast through our nether portal, it shot a fireball at me, and I tried to parry it like a pro only to accidentally launch it right next to some tnt we put for decoration, exploding half our mine accidentally. There are no moments like these in Hytale, it's all tailored RPG slop, basically a worse version of Oblivion. Give me full sandbox or fuck off.

>>737209641
The modders already went back to minecraft, this game was a meme

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>>737209641
Just like games designed to be "Esports" they designed the game from the wrong end since they focused on "modality" first.
For (good) mods to be made there first needs to exist a base that is actually fun to play that encourages players to improve or interact with the game in such a way. The same thing can be said for Esports games where all of the actually successful ones are built on grassroots communities that just congregated around a GOOD game and then things just evolved from there.

Hytale might have more tools that makes modding easier but the base game itself is just boring dogshit, it's an almost exact clone of Minecraft which itself only blew up because of its novelty, not because of its gameplay and since the novelty for the genre is gone there is nothing that actually makes people stick around, which is why every single "block" game like Minecraft have all failed and it's also why it's slowly dying because it's only coasting along on it's initial inertia.

The only way to save it is to turn it into 3D Terraria (IMO) since it is a fairly unique game that no other dev has actually managed to build upon, that would give players a reason to stick around long enough to start creating mods and communities for it.
Another thing to keep in mind is that players are more fleeting and skittish than they were 15 years ago, there is so much media that is vying for their attention that it's almost impossible to get them to stick around if you don't give them a really good reason too right from the start, which just makes the act of creating a community driven experience even harder if not impossible since it requires so many things to line up perfectly.

I honestly don't think that they can turn it around at the pace they are going currently, they need to release a major patch AT LEAST once a month so that they keep building momentum and prove that they actually want to improve on the game itself instead of focusing on a future that might never arrive.

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>>737231973
The funniest part of their shilling is how they try to claim they want people to enjoy both games while not so subtly implying minecraft is the inferior version and their barebones minecraft clone is the big deal

>riot games
nooooooooooooooooooooooooope
not in a trillion years.
>b-buh they're not riot games anymore!
who cares, riot influenced it during crucial development, it only launched like half a year after leaving, that shit's got tencent slop all over and inside it.
PASS.

>>737209641
>What went wrong?
release games long before they are finished, coping by telling yourself it will totally work out with the relaunch.
in reality, most games don't get a second chance. if it's shit on release, than most of your potential audience will have been burned on it. they won't come back because there's no reason to, by the time you finally fixed your shit there are already a dozen other games they want to play that came out.

>>737209641
From what I've read even that Everwind game has better reviews than Hytale lmao.

>>737233014
It's somehow more feature complete despite having way less dev time.

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>>737231973
that's early minecraft content, not 17 years worth of features. jeb or agnes would never add anything destructive.
creepers etc go against "sandbox" design, which is all about serving the player.

>>737210183
>if they launch with steam workshop support it might get traction
Probably wont happen since they can't monetize workshop content.

>>737209641
>What went wrong?
VS came out and did a better job being an autismblock game.

>>737233783
Their monetized mod shit is going to be the game killer for them, look at what it's done to Starfield.

>>737233832
They commit years without going on twitter stirring shit with another company or any kind of visible advertisement, Hytale went past 3 months and he's already crying that he wants the hype back.
Get off twitter and make the game better, holy shit it's not that hard

>>737209641
the moment I saw assmongoloid and others incompetently shillingb that tripe (they weren't really playing, they actively avoided saying anything bad) I knew it was a rugpull

>>737234041
>Get off twitter and make the game better, holy shit it's not that hard
The inception of this game was built on the fact that Notch updated the server EULA for minecraft to not let servers completely fuck their playerbase for "donations".
I don't think they're all that concerned with the actual quality of the end product, just that it makes money.

>>737234264
No wonders they didn't put it on steam yet, imagine paying for that shit and seeing more twitter than code typing

>>737221205
>we ourselves have been giving our game negative reviews
???

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>>737234495

>>737233849
>>737233783
>paid mods
it's fucking dead Jim

>>737209641
>What went wrong?
not even a 10th of the features promised are in.
also no steam launch.

>>737210240
kek literally a mobile slop store

>>737221205
>we don't want bad reviews, which is false

But they literally just said it's because they don't want bad reviews being submitted by "a flood of cold first impressions" from players "unfamiliar with the game's development background"

>>737234832
ESL?

>>737210240
ah the bethesda approach

>>737234891
I was quoting the greentext from that anon while also mixing in the comment from the last paragraph of the image.

>>737233762
>that's early minecraft content, not 17 years worth of features. jeb or agnes would never add anything destructive.
It sucks but it's true.
Whole thing kinda ran off the rails after 1.12 and most versions after were kinda mediocre.
>inb4 combat update bad
Autoclicker combat was awful and the only place that genuinely suffered from it was the PvP scene, and only for spergs that hated the fact that the meta shifted.
Shields, actually timing your swings with the axe/sword to get bonus AoE damage when fighting multiple targets, triggering increased knockback with sprint, and timing attacks with jump descents for more damage was all cool and fuck everyone that bitched about it.
Same retards complained about hunger in a survival game and are part of the reason the devs continue to baby-mode all the survival shit in game while refusing to add on top of what's there.
t. played since the patch that added beds

>>737210240
>only Microsoft should be able to make money from games.

Deepthroating that corporate jew dong I see.

>>737209641
It just wasn't fun. There's too many blocks types, too much shit. Too many pre-built structures. Mineblock is a blank canvas where you can build whatever you want. Hytale felt like a curated experience. Sometimes simple is better.

>>737235064
>only Microsoft
Hypixel getting threatened to be blacklisted was pre-buyout and exclusively because Notch thought server microtransactions were gay as fuck.

>>737210240
The fact that anyone is surprised that these guys put in the bare minimum effort and STARTED with monetizing shit like skins shouldn't surprise anyone.
People who were interested either had no clue why this all started or were too deep into the Hypixel paypig hole.

>>737210373
Why do you care enough about ferretfucker to keep mentioning and even worse yet, have his face saved on to your device?

>>737235129
Honestly why do you even care? If modders spend time developing something that people want to spend money on then good for them. There's countless people on this very board that spend thousands on virtual swimsuits for mobile trash and don't seem to have a problem with it.

>>737235689
So if people spend their money on gacha shit to goon on, we should allow a game, with a majority of kids, on it to monetize microtransactions through a third party that isn't Mojang ?
Even if Microsoft took that route today doesn't mean it should be tolerable, but you seem to only care about gooners and how they spend money.

>>737235425
It's probably him poasting selfies

>>737235064
No one fucking likes Bedrock either. Hytale decided to copy the worst version of MC.

>>737235878
>through a third party that isn't Mojang ?
Why is that even an issue? Or are Mojang/Microsoft the only people allowed to make any money from the game?

>>737235990
When you do a server or a mod, you shouldn't "make money" but create something inside a propriety that you don't own.
Donations should be allowed but these servers run on microtransactions or lootboxes, which are predatory especially on a children's game.
>It's not sustainable !
Then don't, better kill the shitshow than changing children into gambling addicts or mindless spenders on "summer swimsuits" when they swap to gachas.

>>737236198
>When you do a server or a mod, you shouldn't "make money"
According to who? You? Even developing mods takes a ton of time amongst other things, and every adult has to make a living.

>Then don't, better kill the shitshow than changing children into gambling addicts or mindless spenders on "summer swimsuits" when they swap to gachas.
That's not the devs problem, it's the problem of the parents that allow their kids to spend the money. You can't just police game/mod development because some kids are retards and will spend thousands with daddy's credit card.

>>737236413
If you can dev something, why make a mod and not a game. Mojang or any game could kill mods and nobody could fight it, they just don't because mods are longevity for their game. If your living is based around a mod, then we're on the same level on "some kids are retards".
Just take Pam Harvestcraft who asked for donations because the dev couldn't make a living out a quite popular mod.

>It's the problem of the parents
So it's all on the parents' shoulders ? So you could shit the most predatory shit like diablo 4 or raid shadow, the psychology game about min-maxing the spending of an individual, as long as the kid isn't using daddy's money, it should be allowed ? You know kids always find a way, right ? They'll go on discord, show their junk to creeplords for easy cash before it all goes down, and it's just one example.

>>737236713
>If you can dev something, why make a mod and not a game.
I agree with this sentiment, but the thing you are describing is sadly pretty common everywhere. Like, many artists just draw "fan art", because they know that their stuff wouldn't sell if it was purely OCs, etc.

>>737237124
I know, in an ideal world they could live thanks to it but it's a bad decision nowadays to commit to something so fragile without a backup plan.
Even "normal jobs" aren't reliable anymore, we get shit in a shit world. Guess I shouldn't blame artists and modders too much when even workers of big corps are constantly under a guillotine named "shareholders".

>>737214402
Are you going to finish it? Do you know someone who will? Why do the devs work for them when you can just fuck off back to minecraft and make a mod there? Also Vintage Story is much better than either of these two.

the payment processor is based in israel NOT BUYING

>>737209641
What the fuck is that pic on the left

>>737237425
/thread

>>737235064
But Java Minecraft (the real one) doesn't have any of this predatory disgusting shit (yet).

It's not like anyone here is opposed to shitting on microjeet but that doesn't fit the "us vs them" narrative.

>>737210373
did he stop or is he still forcing his slave to "port" other people's minecraft mods to it

I'm having decent enough fun with it, mostly because the worldedit and modding rools are better than MC's and VS's.

But yeah don't expect much from the main game, there's a lor of content on the surface but no real depth.
Maybe they can get it to a good place with time, maybe not. As long as I can still make my own maps and custom mobs I don't really care.

The only thing I hate id the always online bs, I fear that if they decide to take the money and run the game will no longer be playable.

>>737237638
The lead dev's furry OC. Hytale's community is somehow even more pozzed than MC's, their discord is basically groomer central.

>>737210240
All the minecraft tubers did like 4 hours worth of episodes and stopped playing because there's nothing to do lmao.

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>>737235878
Don't argue with retards. Minecraft community servers have become a cancer too deep to excise. What's really sad is big daddy doesn't want to stop it, they wish they had payment integration like Robux does to milk the children until the credit card declines. No refunds :).

>>737209641
After switching between "it's over" to "were back" to "it's over" a bunch of times before finally switching to "it's SO over (real)" for years people kind of stop caring.

>>737238554
If kids spending money on Roblox was the only issue in that cesspit...

>>737209641
I just clicked for the cute sloth. Somebody paste this entire thread into chatgpt and tl;dr it for me.

>>737238653
Hytale no longer make money. Dev wants to make more money. Thread ensues.

>>737238645
>kid spends $9,999 in 3 hours on ________
>MICRO transactions
MICRO

>>737238756
Fine, we'll limit the amount they spend.
>Kid gets molested online

>>737239230
in 2002 I was 11 and even then I had enough knowledge of the world to cyber sex with random people on yahoo chat rooms. Time is merely a flat circle.

>>737209641
If magic wasnt so annoying to gain access to that'd be nice, maybe a starting class system and perks and such you can unlock as you go

>>737209641
I just wanted glass blocks and glass panes to complete my autistic skyscraper projects, but it took so long to wait for an update that I quit playing Hytale

>>737239298
in 2002 when I was 11 I was selling little boy feet pics for hundreds of dollars

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>>737235689
>If modders spend time developing something that people want to spend money on then good for them.
Because it wasn't just adding content to the game that they then charged for.
Pre-EULA MC servers (and even now there's still a good number like this) had a tendency to straight up lock base game shit behind paywalls and offer in game item packs for real world money.
If it were just "you have to pay X amount to see the custom content on this server" then sure, it'd make more sense, but it was quite literally just rampant P2W exploitation.
That shit was genuine cancer and the fact that P2W servers run the risk of being totally blacklisted from the client if Mojang catches on is a good thing.

>>737235425
you will never be a real gamedev

>>737238124
>their discord is basically groomer central.
Reminder that the sloth guy stated they were charging money for skins so they could prevent NSFW content from being visible to other players.

>>737228961
Holy shit it's been a while since I've seen this picture.
This lady's probably in a retirement home now!

>>737239298
>>737239693
Those lucky bastards....

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Terraria and Vintage Story are the only good Minecore games.

>>737239840
editing values in mods other people made makes you a game developer

>>737240187
VS is too tedious and autistic for me, and the worldedit equivalent is not good.

are all minecraft clones required to have shit gameplay? Why is the combat always so bad?

>>737210373
He never fucking developed for it, he wanted to host a server but was too retarded to figure out how to do that and constantly pestered the developers to hand over the source code for some fucking reason. When neither happened he just told his discord kittens to do it for him (for free of course) and of course nobody's playing on it because why the fuck would they want to?

Didn't the game already sell a morbillion copies? They won.

>>737209641
>remove the ability to make your own skin so you can sell cosmetics
>"we wont steal the money you make from your mods for at least 2 years" (we will later, duh)
canary in the coal mine for a worthless cash grab

>>737209641
no one plays minecraft for le blocks it's just become a social tool