Was the Demon's Souls remake really that bad?
Yes.
you can tell how garbage it is from the UI alone
>>737229515thank god these hacks got shutdown
Demon's Souls - BerserkNu Demon's Souls - Game of Thrones
>>737229005Yeah but the de-riginal is worse
>>737229005>>737229515What the fuck were they thinking? I don't understand how devs fuck up what is the equivalent to copying someone's homeworkThe answers are right there and they refuse to copy them
yes it was soulless as fuck
>>737229515/thread
>>737229005It was good gameplay wise and artstyle was bad. Butchered.
>>737229515>shills kept trying to say this was an excellent remake that honored the original game
>>737229515Indians or DEI?
>>737229005You talk as if the original was any good.
>>737229828>It was good gameplay wisedemon's souls has never been good gameplay wiseinfinite healing farm and 99 stacks of each grass, floaty rolls, world tendency as the most half-baked implementation of a system in world history, gender locked armor, bosses that almost all lack any kind of difficulty or interesting design once you understand, the list goes onit's a wonder that these guys turned around and put out dark souls, a legitimately good game
>>737229515i still remember maximilian saying that fromsoftware should stop creating games and instead should fuse with bluepoint, from will create the story and bluepoint will design the artstyle and build the game
>>737229828>It was good gameplay wisethats because is the exact same as original des, even same glitches plus new ones that werent intended
>>737229005I hate how modern games are cluttered with shit.PS2 - mid PS3 was peak visuals.
>>737230117wtf, I liked max dood for how he talks about ff7 and the remakes. this makes me sad
>>737230174>I liked max dood for how he talks about ff7 and the remakeshe only changed his opinion of the ff7 remake after most people disliked the game, at the start he didnt shut up about how the game was the best thing ever
>>737229640I was unironically fucking relieved they'll never get the chance to touch my favorite vidya. To think there are faggots actually like their "games"
>>737230381>I was unironically fucking relieved they'll never get the chance to touch my favorite vidya.
>>737230117he's a huge normgroid
>>737230117literally who?
>>737229985Do you want a comfy adventure or a boss rush slop?
>>737229515why did they do it bros, why did they fuck with the music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAsMkZrpoxYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ7DZfERwYI
>>737229005This was the only PS5 game I wanted the faggots at Snoy to port to PC just so that I can have all Souls games on a single platform that is easy to access now and in the future. Now I honestly just want some autist to reverse engineer the game/FROMs engine so that the PS3 version can be ran naively on a modern PC.
>>737229005>mechanically the same>worse everything elseyes
As someone who actually played the original and isn't just larping, the remake was fine, a little too much glaze on the graphics but they did a good job with the ambiance, voice rerecording and combat feels fine. Small quality of life updates were also appreciated. But for some reason the game felt easier and shorter. Wish the broken arch stone could have been finished and given us land of the giants but I don't think the original even worked much on it before it got cutOnline was slightly less aids than the original. World tendency still makes no sense and never will, bad mechanic
>>737229781Bluepoint straight up said that original game is outdated and needs to be brought up to 'modern standards'. And everyone thinking otherwise is just wearing nostalgia rose-tinted glasses. They don't respect or care about the source material and thought they know better.
>>737230410i don't know who this is
>>737230939the sloppiest of slop youtubers who just got the greenlight from sony to produce a Bloodborne movie
>>737230961who gives a shit about a movie, yes it's going to suck but the game is playable at 60fps on pc, bloodborne is finally free from its shackles
>>737230961>Brings up movies>when talking about gameI don't care about movies, they aren't relevant to the games.
>>737229005Yeah, it's still DeS.
>>737229781>What the fuck were they thinking?Bluepoint has absolutely retarded way of doing remakes, not to mention the Souls fanbase is also retarded and doesn't understand at all what makes these games good.Their argument was that "we only focus to preserve core things of the game and then remake everything else" and in case of DeS it was gameplay/mechanics apparently lmao. So everything else was up to change, graphics, music, style and so on.
>>737229005No. It was way, way worse
>>737232061between this shit and that level in spyro that got turned into a lava level in the remake it makes me wonder if the dipshits doing these remakes have just never been outside to see a sunset
>>737229005>HOW DID YOU DEFEAT MY DEMONIC REFLECTION
>>737230854>they did a good job with the ambianceNo they fucking didn't retard. They completely butchered the atmosphere, ESPECIALLY in Latria, added a big bright red moon completely ruining the oppressive skybox of the original, added constant loud lightning strikes to replace the fantastic diagetic ambient sounds of the original, but worst of all, you have the CREDITS THEME (Return to Slumber) playing completely randomly throughtout Latria for some fucking reason. A track that is MADE for the ending and clearly signifies the Maiden in Black lulling the Old One to sleepImagine if you were playing Dark Souls and Nameless Song just started playing while you're going through Blighttown. God, Bluepoint are the biggest fucking hacks on Earth>voice rerecording Literally all the voice acting was completely butchered, the exaggerated Scottish faggot they got to play Stockpile Thomas is one the worst recasts I've ever heard, and then there's how BADLY they ruined King Allant's dialoguehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy0cvDM5F9cThe demake is absolute fucking utter dogshit from hell, fuck Shartpoint
>>737229857Japan-hating Am*ricansYou can find a bunch of them on artstation since BP let their artists put up the horrific concept art on their art blogs.
>>737229005nu-ui is so fucking awful
>Let's change this icon soundtrack to make some orchestral slopI hope all the people that worked at Bluepoint may starve to death
>>737229005Yes, but that doesn't mean the original demon's souls was, by any stretch, a good game.
>>737229005If they'd re-introduced the broken archstone some of their sins would have been forgiven
>>737233434https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i4JP-NxfN8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLf59ijp2CcHow do you actually pull something like this off
>>737229005If nothing else the magic was incredible, it had a real vibrance and weight to it that no FROM game has ever approached
>>737233579bluepoint couldn't even properly code a small luck raising item there is no way those hacks could have done a full world
>>737229515Not present in picture: The 100% worse sound design, from effects to musicGone is the satisfying parry noise, the heavy impact riposte effect with massive echo, the satisfying *shing* of an enemy dying and the ghostly sound of their souls entering youJust generic low-impact intentionally nonintrusive metal hitting metal clanks and slight wind noise for maximum generic believability with none of the overblown fantasy exaggeration
>>737229005>top: brick arch by artesan masons>bottom: brazilian bricklayer freestyling
>>737229005The worst part are the menus, when you have menus open you don't see what's going on at all which is important in a game with no pause button, every single souls game let's you see what's going on while menuing for this simple reason.
>>737229985grass farming is bad but that can be solved by just following the only use what you find rule. (no grinding) world tendency is cool and adds some mystery to the game.gender locked armor is cool.bosses not being designed for elden ring player skill is unfair.
>>737233717>>bottom: brazilian bricklayer freestylingI wonder if they just make things look shit on purpose to make it easier on themselves or something.
>>737233632Maiden Astrea OST got ruined
>>737229515its a good thing they didnt get to touch BB lol, and I dont even like that game as much as DeS and DaS1
>>737229005No, it was fine
>>737229005they made a bunch of artistic choices that heavily deviated from the original and also moved music around for no reasonotherwise it was great
>>737229985>infinite healing farm and 99 stacks of each grassYes it's broken. The game is still fun though.>floaty rollsWho cares? >world tendency as the most half-baked implementation of a system in world historyIt's still cool though, and fun to game once you understand it>gender locked armorThat's a good thing. >bosses that almost all lack any kind of difficulty or interesting design once you understandAlso a good thing.
>>737233883They just didn't get it, they just had to take everything that is even if only slightly subtle and make it le epicThe interviews with Remake creators were infuriating, it's like they genuinely thought they are "fixing" the original vision
>/v/ usually says gameplay is more important than anything>a game releases with an altered art style>/v/ says the game is now 100% irredeemable trashIt's just visuals, it's still demon's souls you fucking retards
>>737234448dumb faggot
>>737234448There's no logical contradiction there. Just because gameplay is the most important thing, doesn't mean you can't butcher a game by ruining the visuals.
>>737234448remake has shitty inertia and enemy interactions are not 1:1. omni directional rolling is overpowered. sending items to storage also is too powerful. the game looks worse and plays worse.
>>737234448You mongoloid there was a subtle change in the character movement that made it worse to play
>>737234448So you are saying that the demake was a complete waste of everyone's time and money and that you should just play the original since gameplay is all that matters amyway? True.
>>737229005
>>737234448losing all artistic integrity is a big deal yeah
>>737229005It's pretty mediocre. They outsourced almost everything to get it out so quickly, so it's a hodgepodge of mismatched shit >>737229515Don't even get me started on the soundtrack.
>>737234737ahahahahahahaha
>>737231805this, the only thing bluepoint treats as sacred is the bare bones of the code/gameplay mechanics (i.e. the part none of the buffoons at bluepoint would even understand enough to tweak if they wanted to). it seems they didn't even imagine a world where gamers responded to subjective creative choices in sound, music, art style, tone or anything else, and opted to shamelessly rip apart and piss all over what was a cohesive, intentional work as some kind of remedial game design exercise for failed, unimaginative "devs" at bluepoint. it actually pisses me off that these dunces got a paycheck for playing around with assets for years in the most cynical way, and did the whole media circuit soaking up glory like creative vampires. then had the nerve to pitch to sony "hey i know you asked us to come up with an original project but that's a lot of work so maybe just give us the source code to another one of fromsoft's stone cold classics"everybody that worked at bluepoint should be permanently blacklisted from the industry
>>737234858What is that reddit? insane ragebait I couldn't even finish reading it I had to cool off.
>>737229005>>737232061I never played any except a few minutes of the Remake.And the Remake looks a million times better.I'm not interested in the games or have nostalgia or anything so I think my opinion is pretty objective.As to why:The original looks blurry , the textures are low res, the models are low poly I don't find significant artistic differences,only minor nitpicks.
The sound design in the remake pissed me off hard.They made the player character emote constantly for every action and you can hear them breathing with every step and grunting with ever attack and movement.You should only hear your character when you get hit or die.This is something fucking neowiz got right with Lies of P (but still fucked up in other ways, P is WAY too animated in idle for being a fucking puppet)
>>737235132Thanks for your take, soulless hylic
>>737229005>>737229515>>737229640>>737229781>>737229857absolutely vile
>>737235032Did they use the Oblivion character creator to make his face kek
>>737231805>>737234926This is what pisses me off about pretty much every remake in generalStuff like censorship sucks but even stuff like music/audio/art also suffers because to a lot of retarded devs and consoomers it has no value. I'm certain there are people who would do a Dark Soul 1 remake and replace the music with metal.
>>737235082I really do hate this type of concept art artstyle. It's the hackiest shit ever.
>>737235032>cape falls off as he stands>remake allant has to flex his cape off>Allant's emotionless as he draws his weapon>remake allant has to show his ferocity as he draws>allant's idle pose is steady and unshaking>remake allant has awful posture and is jitterynot to mention, when you kill allant in the remake his voice and the affects of it sound fucking amateurish in comparison to the original.
I still think it's too bad they couldn't be used in some other way and got shut down. Their art direction/style choices suck but their technical ability was clearly pretty high.
>>737235278Damn this is retarded, what's the point of doing a remake if they're just going to make it different? Seems like publisher supported plagiarism at best, like they couldn't make a successful game of their own so they just go around riding on the backs of other creators.
>>737230852>mechanically the sameNot true.
>>737235397Most damning part is it was the same va as the original, so both effects and direction were bad.
>>737235397>>remake allant has awful postureNow that I look at it, is it just the player character idle/standing animation?
>>737235032Why is there no background at the start? Is the PS5 not powerful enough to render the distance so they need to hide it with fog like in fucking Morrowind? Because if the PS3 could manage it I think the PS5 should be able to too.He's just sitting there looking at nothing. There's nothing there!
>>737229005Bottom looks better and aynone who says otherwise has nostalgia googles on
>concept art includes an almost faithful Maneater redesign>doesn't get used in the actual game
>>737235656No, the remake looks like dogshit, you have soulless consoomer goggles on
>>737235656Blueshit games are dead, your shilling obligations are over, you can stop now.
>>737235656you have eyes but you don't see
>>737235673got scrapped because it wasn't BADASS enough
>>7372354732020 gave devs and company fanboys insane brainworms concerning remakes.
>>737229005>>737229515>Bluepoint did this among other changes like the music>NOOOO WHY DIDN'T DO THE BLOODBORN REMASTERAre people that desperate or just trained to eat shit nowadays?
People hailed this as graphically superior to anything Fromsoftware can or will make.
>>737229005All the Fromsoft soul got ripped out of it, it might as well have been a completely different game.
>>737235473To be fair to bluepoint, Sony is funding and pressuring them to get a return on investment and more. And that means big bombastic trailers and graphics to wow as many shit eating normies as possible."Respecting the artists vision" was thrown out the window even if someone at bluepoint fought for it. They have zero leverage. Make us a lot of money or kick rocks.
>>737229005I don't understand these kinds of remakes (graphical overhauls with the exact same gameplay), what's the point? Especially for PS3 games that already look completely fine. It's a complete waste of time and money.For basically the same budget, they could have ported Demon's Souls to PS4 and PS5 (4K, 60FPS, improved textures and so on) and developed Demon's Souls 2 (or whatever) as a PS5 exclusive. The Last of Us Part 1 makes even less sense, since that was already available on PS4.
>>737229515I'll just put this here.
>>737235473>like they couldn't make a successful game of their own so they just go around riding on the backs of other creators
>tendies dumping their demons souls folderDid tomodachi flop that bad?
I think these babies were one of, or the only design that looks like the original.
If only tendies got this passionate about putting on deodorant
>>737235132>I don't find significant artistic differences,only minor nitpicks.>I think my opinion is pretty objective.>opinion>objectiveYou are utterly fucking retarded. What pisses me off the most is that your shit take is the same as the vast majority of the retards I share a hobby with
>>737236050it only exists to pad anemic console libraries and to get newfags to play old games and most importantly pay for themyou can get them to pay full price for a graphical facelift of something you already made 95% of; from a financial standpoint its pure geniusif it weren't for consolefags this phenomenon would barely exist because on a pc only the most obscure games have no fixes or patches to make it run on modern hardware if it happens to need it so the idea of these sort of remakes being made and sold for full price is almost foreign
>>737229005its objectively better than the originalthe sodden ring alone makes the Remake ten times better by default
>>737236663It happens on PC too sometimes. One recent example is System Shock 2. Used to be on sale for practically nothing, then someone made a remaster. Original version got delisted, remaster becomes the only option for a way higher price.
>>737237202>remaster becomes the only option
>>737237202the system shock 2 debacle is a pretty rare case as far as I know and can mostly be chalked up to nightdive being gigantic niggers as they are known to beit does happen but more often its with a shitty port like age of empires and age of mythology getting replaced (though in my opinion those remasters are still dubious in their own ways)its also easy to just get rips for most things thankfully
>>737235132Hi sis
>>737235032>original: a king looks at his fallen kingdom>remake: a depressed old man looks at some clouds or something idkit's incredible how they gave such hacks the job to remake DeSit's like they understood nothing about the game
>>737237354I mean, if you want to get it legally. Even though there's no point doing that because the original devs went out of business a long time ago so it's not like they get any of the money.
>>737235315Why did they made it look like Diablo? Looks insanely childish and tasteless.
(understanding) art direction really isn't blue points strong suitin fact, they suck at itglad they got shut down
I think Bluepoint did a good job,
>>737234448>/v/ usually says gameplay is more important than anythingI dont say this thoughbeit?
>>737237581>a king looks at his fallen kingdomIt's not a king retard
>>737237978huh
>>737238049it's a fake demon dude
>>737237978well false king then, point still stands
>>737237832You can't fool me; that's LOTF 2023 with DeSR's UI pasted over it.
>>737238131Well, at least I tried, but I'd bet most people wouldn't notice the difference
>>737234448Only pseuds say that gameplay >>>Many of the best games ever have shitty gameplay but make up for it through story or visual style or worldbuilding. Demon's Souls has very primitive gameplay compared to something like Elden Ring. But it is fun because it had a fairly original and coherent aesthetic and story design that all worked to make an experience that was greater than the sum of its parts.
no. it’s a masterpiece. only poorfags and contrarians beg to differ
>>737235032I don't know if its a contrast issue or something, but getting rid of the vista he was looking out over is really dumb. The whole point is that False Allant is watching Boletaria die and is enjoying it from his perch. Making him just look out into a void of fog kills the effect.
Yes. Most "remakes" are just soulless realtranny cash-ins with zero art direction
>>737234737you got to be kidding
>>737229515Why are leftists so soulless? Why can they only ruin superior art, and never create anything good themselves?
>>737234737Jews really love blacks except in israel, where they sterilize them and use them as cannon fodder.
>>737229005No. The ebony armor is the only bad design change.>>737237832It's a testament to modern game development that a cheap AA game is almost on par with AAA projects fidelity-wise... I probably wouldn't tell Tainted Grail and LoTF apart though. Most generic dark fantasy styles ever.
>>737235305Too much Nurgle. The Vanguard was always a weak design (it was a reused asset from a pervious Fromsoft game), but they went too far in the direction of making it some kind of 40K style mutant Nurgle demon.
>>737236159>Top: mysterious, eldritch, mythical, elegant>Bottom: RAAAAAAAGH DEMON EVIL FLESHEATER
>>737229558this
>>737235312well hey you were pretty close, the switch remaster of DS1 has fucked up audio that's way too compressed
>>737235305>topeldritch demon >bottomheartstone reject
>>737236918...what?
>>737229005Man, i gotta confess something... I've played hundreds of hours of Demon's Souls and I could never figure out how to reach that dude on top of the rampart in the OP's image.
>>737229005the bottom has more details which makes it betterer. the more details something has, the betterer it is.
>>737229005>The fireAh yes because the skeletons need warmth>>737232061>The banners and intricate architectureAh yes a mine tower in the middle of nowhere needs that
>>737233632this one's the most baffling to me. the dirty colossus is a pitiful goofy thing and the soundtrack accompanying it fits perfectly. bluepoint took this and thought a full blown choir would be appropriate.
>>737233632>>737242494same composer
the studio failed for a reason
>>737239152It looks straight out of doom the shart ages or something
>>737242647he's credited for the original composition, but the composer and arranger on the remake was bill hemstapat. unless you're trying to tell me shunsuke kida did this one track in the remake specifically in which case I have to ask for a source.
>>737236159What the fuck is with the random rocks on the bottom one?
I wish From could go back to how they made games like DeS and DS1. I'm so sick and tired of Modern Souls slop
>>737239068evil cannot create, only corrupt
>>737235082>>737235315not pictured: all his sfx having way too much bloom and blowing out the camera constantly
>>737229005Yes. Bluepoint deserved to shutdown over how bad it was. Thank God they weren't allowed to taint Bloodborne.
>>737229005yes>let's add some rain because it's the shrine of storms!>the random burning boards go right here
>>737243528fuck i meant vfx
What the fuck was wrong with them? Completely unhinged even compared to the average american
>>737243409I wish they went back to their ps1 and ps2 era and gave a fuck about making fun original games
>>737229005well its one of the better games I purchased for my ps5, so that tells you a lot about the ps5
>>737242941idk that's what the yt description told me
>>737229985Niggas that describe shit other than kirby as """floaty""" deserve the rope.Everything that's good about souls started with DeS. Everything that's wrong about souls is a deviation from DeS.
Remake is awesome. Haters are all poorfags as usual
>>737244412We're not talking about Resident Evil bro. Demons Souls remake was dogshit.
>>737244484If it were dogshit you'd forget about it instead of making daily threads on why you don't like it
>>737244645>if it was dogshit you wouldn't talk about how dogshit it was!! heh gottem...
>>737229515The funniest thing about Mephistopheles' redesign is the fact that the Bluepoint character artist looked at the original and seemingly thought that her haircut was a hood.
>>737235850Normalfags genuinely do not have any taste at all.
>>737229005>>737229515Reminder that these jeets wanted to remake bloodborne the same way but fromsoft told them to fuck off
>>737229005Honestly I wish they made all the old games like the demon souls remake, I like the new graphics and it felt smooth to play.I wanted a DS2 remake so bad from that same studio with soul memory removed I would basically just live in the bell tower for like 5k hours.
>>737242494Special effort was put into removing all sense of texture and character out of every track.https://youtu.be/NFwTO8Bc93Ihttps://youtu.be/UDDrSDTNcoUAnd people wanted these guys to remake Dark Souls 1, god damn...
>>737234448If the gameplay is not better than the original then the remake is worthless, retard.Why would you pay 70 bucks for the same game but worse in every aspect?
>>737244110>that space ghost oneit's insane just how much heart and soul From used to put into their games, even just tiny interactions. There's still traces of this talent in their modern games and it's always a bliss. From really knows how to write characters with heart.
Visually it is in some ways better than the original, I really hope the artists who worked on this can realize their vision with their own IP.The main reason I don't play the game is the soundtrack isn't the same.When you load DeS on PS3 this is how they greet you to the game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnEzkbdTa0I
>>737229005I played through it twice because it was 60fps, but I do prefer the original thanks to the visuals.
>>737245359Recently played echo nights 1 and 2, nothing is stopping them from making a horror, puzzle or survival horror game but they just won't, easier to make 3 fortnites in a row with flipped assets
>>737229005Shiitividya shilled this remake even though he's a souls lore youtuber. The remake destroys the lore because of redesign inconsistencies. What a fag.
>>737244375>Everything that's good about souls started with DeS. Everything that's wrong about souls is a deviation from DeS.You're mind-blowingly retarded
>>737245956His 'girlfriend' Zullie is a troon lol
>>737245961Retard.
>>737229005And I'm pretty sure the Demake was waaaay easier too, mainly because your character movement was improved, but not the enemies, so you could literally just run circles around them.
haters coming in to shitpost the god tier remakefeelsgoodman, theyll be forever delusionalthe same fags were sitting here shilling oblivion and saying it looks better than the remake lolthey have actual mental illness beyond what i can comprehend
>>737235032Why does he look like he's taking a shit lmao
>>737246327every time
>>737245961Prove me wrong, faggot. DeS has the perfect pacing, dense levels, no gay over powered roll and the bosses are way more interesting than your average wait-attack big sword man in a big arena. The only improvement after it was the Estus.
>>737235315imagine fucking up an enemy who is literally just on fire
>>737235032https://youtu.be/L1T5e0Xfr4Mhttps://youtu.be/Fytv26RhmRA
>>737246439ive played the original game on my ps3 and imported it from asia long before fatlus published the game and much longer before they ever heard of the franchise or bandwagoned itmost bandwagoners are pc cucks, so my guess is he's a pc cuck eternally seething because no pc port?
>>737246327Sich a god tier remake that it sank Bluepoint lol
>>737235582because despite what the retards who try to say the game is a "technical masterpiece" and how its "so much better than the original" don't understand is that fromsoft is incredibly overambitious when it comes to the look and feel.you will see the far off places, they will be in the correct locations, they will look like they do look when you go through them, and there are more details you can see from this, does this mean their games run worse? yeah, it fucking does, but the "solution" bluepoint went with is just to fucking cut it so it runs better.so many visual effects are cut from the game to improve performance, so many distant areas are just fucking gone, so much is completely removed from the game.Do fromsoft games run like shit? yeah, they fucking dobut its because they try to push too hard and when other people do the same thing they just scale back so it runs better but makes for a worse experience.
>>737244325I am pretty sure that is referencing the entire soundtrack, not that individual track, since its an individual upload of the release "Demon's souls original soundtrack" as it says right below that line.and they DID reuse some of the tracks so he has to be credited
>>737229005as someone who played the remake before the original i enjoyed both, i can understand the outrage amongst fans, i guess? i dont let autistic spergs determine what i have fun with thoughi am now leaving the thread. do not reply to me.
>>737248828You ain't the boss of me and I own you now
>>737229005they gave the vanguard demon distended granny tits and a fat cellulite-ridden jiggly ass for no reason
>>737229005Well it certainly was disrespectful. >>737229515Funny how they went out of their way to fagify old king doran.
>>737235315Thankfully the masons knew that their kingdom would one day be the lair of a Flamelurker™ demon and customized their decorative motifs to match his drapes.
>>737235132Actual subhuman.
>>737235032
>>737235315The most offensive thing to me is the arena
>>737235032twin snakes seems like it had more soul than this
>>737235032There's so much wrong with his new clothing designWhy the fuck did they change so much shit for the worseIt's like they diabloified his looks
>>737246362because they made him slouch and gave him the face of a jeet
>>737229005it had better graphics than any fromsoftware game even ER but it looked generic as fuck. especially the OST. also it was literally impossible to make a pretty female character unlike the original game
>>737229515>original Nexus concept art has gnarled tree branches growing underneath, almost as though they're reaching for the Nexus itself>remake Nexus concept art has DUDE SPOOKY CTHULHU TENTACLES AND THEY'RE REACHING FOR THE NEXUS LOOK OUT!!!this alone is offensive
>>737233959They apparently internally started work on a Bloodborne remake, then got told that Miyazaki liked Bloodborne too much for anyone else to work on it.What that tells me is that Miyazaki probably secretly fucking hated the Demon's Souls remake but usual Japanese politeness prevented him from saying so.
>>737235156>deadbrain slop UI
>>737251941Remake is basically if Demon's Souls' art team was exclusively made up of people that trend on Artstation
>>737252343Their society would improve if they would stop the retarded no bad business corporate niceties. Too two faced.
>we'll never get a proper Demon's Souls sequelIt hurts, bros. Out of all the souls games, DeS' premise was the most interesting to me.
>>737252687As if western toxic positivity is any less two faced.
>>737252773>we'll never get a proper Demon's Souls sequelbloodborne came out eleven years ago
>>737229005You can just tell that some overpaid "UI designer" or worse, designers, called it a day early
>>737229005The remake was awesome, anyone telling you otherwise is jealous because it's a PS5 exclusive.
>>737253331The overgrowth makes no sense. The kingdom just fell not over years. These retards are Shitpoint really didn't pay attention to ANYTHING in the game's world. Lmao the arrogance.
look at this dude
>>737253764huh? why is he made out of wood?
>>737253612>>737254125yall really be out here acting like yall wouldnt have bought it on steam
>>737253612The game botched the voice lines and your main issue is vines lol.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-zsuW6aSTA
>>737254167Duh, if you buy it on steam you can mod out all of the dumbass decisions and put the original, non botched, music in.
>>737253331we already have gray slop 3 and it's generic gothic architecture. we didn't need another one with diablo 3 enemies
>>737229515FPBP/thread
>>737229857worse, Commiefornians in Texas on pure DEI
>>737229985>bosses that almost all lack any kind of difficulty or interesting design once you understandFrom Soft becoming known for difficulty ruined them as a studio and saying Demon's Souls bosses don't have interesting designs is just admitting you didn't play the game.
>>737229005No.It was way worse.
>yall really be out here acting like yall wouldnt have bought it on steam
>>737232061
>>737254632No I know there are more issues with the game. I can take a pick from anything in the remake cause it's ALL an issue. It makes my blood boil that it even exists and people applaud the game's identity being raped.
The absolute soulless UI and lighting in a majority of the worlds killed the remake for me.
>>737255662I hate this shit so fucking much
>>737251431Twin Snakes had soul if you consider it a retelling from Otacon's POV.
>>737251431>>737256235BACKFLIPS
>>737255704I pretend it doesn't exist. It's nice new players get to experience it and maybe they'll try games by FromSoftware next.
>>737229005For some reason they decided to completely change the artstyleI get making the graphics prettier but why change the art direction?
>>737229515Thank God they're dead now.>>737229558Yep. Pic related. Fucked with the writing too for NO REASON.Not pictured here: The fact that the japanese version of the remake was not changed. Can't even call it a rewrite, they probably didn't have anyone who could write japanese on the team, it's just fanfiction.
>>737229005Bro, the game was bad. DS1 is where the series truly took off. It it had come after it, it would be hated as much as DS2.
>>737235132wake me up when the remake is on pc at 8k, 144 fps. upscaled 4k with "60" fps is ancient shit. i honestly have no idea how you people play such outdated slop.
>>737236159Top: Tribal Storm spirits that look like wind and throw spears that explode in thunder when they hit the groundBottom: Idk stingray monster with weakly shattering glassI will never stop seething about how monumentalkekly worse bluepoints sounds are
>>737257328A lotta talk coming from someone with a potato of a pc
>>737233050>worst of all, you have the CREDITS THEME (Return to Slumber) playing completely randomly throughtout Latria for some fucking reason. A track that is MADE for the ending and clearly signifies the Maiden in Black lulling the Old One to sleep>Imagine if you were playing Dark Souls and Nameless Song just started playing while you're going through Blighttown. God, Bluepoint are the biggest fucking hacks on EarthI wonder which game in the series does that exact thing as part of its worldbuilding... Goddamn this studio was such fucking trash.
>>737256913>>737256360>>737255846Y’all are just salty it’s not on PC. It’s okay to admit it.
Remake is better, but its a PS5 exclusive so none of the poorfag 3rd worlders have tried it.Its just sour grapes.>I cant play this game ergo its bad
>>737256360New players could spend money on a pc and emulate the original instead of retarded consoles that offer nothing except a few exclusives. Or fucking 100$ on a used ps3 and jailbreak it.
>Y’all are just salty it’s not on PC. It’s okay to admit it.
This is just a God of War 2018 song.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab3QFiE71MkGenuinely embarrassing.
>>737257540This was probably a better argument back in 2020. Anyone playing modern games in 2026 either has a PS5 or a much more expensive PC. Nobody is filtered by the price, it's just shit.
>>737229005>shit poop game>shit poop game, shinierconsole niggers really have no fucking standards lol
>>737230835no fucking subtly with the demake the og has a mood and vibe of despair while bluepoint turns it into orchestra slop
>>737257540using poorfag as a cope is pure coonsumer soi drinking behaivor
>>737229515>it's bad because schizo collagereminds me of ninja gaiden discussions where they flame sigma without an argument
>it's bad because schizo collage>reminds me of ninja gaiden discussions where they flame sigma without an argument
>>737253331demons souls is playable on pc at 60fps snoy
>>737260905Not the remake
>>737229005Yes, art direction matters, not just grafix.
>>737263194not made by fromsoft
>>737263006cute feet
>developer's poorly disguised fetish
>>737263194thank God
>>737263624Same kind of motivation that lead them to ignore the game's established worldbuilding when recreating the Monumental.
>>737255549Shitposting is the only thing AI improved.
>>737263760>>737263479Hella jealous
>>737263940Yeah the Monumental is supposed to be like a bodhisattva right? They should look a little bit holy in comparison to everyone else being a wretch who engages in the demonic.
>>737263624weird how clean the nexus looks in the remake then.
>>737264158Possibly, the archstones also likely reference a Baku, which is a Japanese mythological creature that eats a person's nightmares and sometimes their hopes and desires. Naturally it is replaced by something generic and meaningless but that they thought looked better.
>>737229005Unironically, yes. Something that is always overlooked in threads like this, is the utterly horrific and over the top sound design. It is like fromsoft HIRED THAT MAN, borderline parody. I cannot take it seriously it at all, especially combined with the new “epic” animations for criticals. It has a fortnite battlepass feel to it, like your character is about to hit the griddy on a backstab
>>737235315>cartoony as fuck archway absolute garbage, how the fuck could you think it’s appropriate, I thought westoid fags like bluepoint were afraid of things being too “video-game-y” then they slap the most ludicrous I AM A VIDEO GAME BOSS ARENA compared to the original
lol lmao
>>737264772not just the archstones, the stone of ephemeral eyes among other consumables that can help you cross into other worlds. the baku is supposed to be a pervasive image on those objects because the old one is essentially a giant baku that can make those dreams and hopes into nightmares in the form of demons.
>>737229515I rarely see anyone bring it up since most probably didn't play the remake, but the black prisoners being black isn't even the worst aspect of them. On top of the white skinned ones also together looking wrong and too much like regular people, the black ones are LITERALLY a head swap and still have the other body.
TEAL AND ORANGE
>>737264991And then they had another different redesign in the loading screens as well.
>game no on peecee or switch, so it's bad!
>redditbobThe original DeS wasn't on pc or shitch either, dumbfuck
>>737229005As a fan of the original theme of armored spider. Bluepoint can stay being nonexistant
>>737229515The only good change was to add cum on the face of the firekeeper, because its what everyone wanted to do back in the days.
I know people hate on the remake, but it was visualy appealing and the gameplay was servicable.But the artstyle changes are a viable concern for fans of the original.Its a shame i will never be able to play the OG, i woud have preffered a simple remaster with a PC Port, so that the full souls series can be enjoyed by everyone.Why didnt Blue Point just make their own souls like?Why did they target sloppy seconds?I am currently playing through Lords of the Fallen 23, and it seems like they took inspiration from the remake, if it wasnt called Lords of the Fallen i woud have sworn it was a Demons Souls 2 by Blue Point.
>>737267045funny how you only started getting butthurt after you got lumbered with the shit PS3 emulation
>>737267746The original has been playable from start to end on emulator for many years now
>>737267831Too many hoops for the casual consomer.Can you play online, and are the online functions enabled?
>I prefer it at 480p 20fps
>>737229005They couldn't have missed the point any harder if they'd tried.
>>737233632a lot of the tracks go on way too long. dirty colossus aint living for more than a minute. From also has this problem sometimes though desu
>>737229515the thing that really completely solidified to me that there was zero honest attempt by the OG devs to honor the originals aesthetic was when they claimed that it was difficult to see what was going on with the Flamelurkers model, so they had to "take liberties" when creating his new model. while it is true that his model is a bit janky, what they could do was just, oh i dont know, just look at the original fucking concept art for the game? i distinctly remember them claiming that it was unclear whether the effects on the body of the model for the OG flamelurker was supposed to be evocative of flames or something like that, when i always thought it was obvius that it was petrified skin flaking off which is very much obviously apparent if you look at the concept art. they just straight up ignored the look of the original and went for their own direction where they made the game look like diablo 3. ill post their concept art for the new flamelurker after this post so you can see where their inspirations came from and its atrocious.
>>737268152>magma>magma>magma>diablo 3 diablo>balrog>diablo 3 diablo>diablo 3 butcher>diablo 3 diablo>generic red demon>generic red demontruly astounding, isn't it?
>>737268152They literally could also just pull up the actual models. You can tell they just decided that they knew better.
>>737232061Is there some rebate for putting in these fuck ugly huds? I just don’t understand it especially when it is a remake like DeS or RE2 where the original games had good UI design already.
>>737268514why is it that fromsoft manages to make their models 1:1 to the concept art, but all these other studios fucking cant? even with more references? there really is zero excusehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOP0qYAifjo
>>737257524what do you mean? i played it on PC half a year ago just fine.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-R3WWLqjJQ
>>737268895Because the MUST reinterpret the concepts. It would just be an HD rerelease otherwise.
>>737229005It fucks up the graphics, which is bad, because the graphics are the only reason to play it.I don't see the point in these *remasters.
>>737268275>>737268152Awful
>>737268895They have no creative vision. Miyazaki takes after Fumito Ueda, who was known to literally have his hands in almost everything in a game in some form because he would not accept things if they don't match his vision.
>>737268895It's not that they can't, it's that they didn't want to. The Demon's Souls demake was Bluepoint trying to prove they could outdo Fromsoft. It's just the usual American arrogance and exceptionalism at play.
>>737267592Their entire argument falls apart if you just show proof of playing the game recently. Why would anyone base their argument on something as flimsy as the false accusation of people who disagree having bad memory?I don't think people who like the remake don't remember the original or never played it and are just defending the new thing, I simply think they're genuinely fucking stupid. If you defend a fanfiction rewrite of the english translation (>>737256913), you are a moron and I do not care about what you have to say. I don't need to write fanfiction about your life experience, the things you're saying make me think you're stupid, no assumptions necessary.
>>737255846I hate college game design101 fags so goddamn much. Why are they in charge of everything
>>737267746>Why didnt Blue Point just make their own souls like?They tried making an "original" game (still using someone else's IP) and it got cancelled after 4 years and the studio closed. I think the reason is quite clear, no talent.>>737267938>Can you play online, and are the online functions enabled?Yes, with private servers. Same ones you have to use on PS3 too, since the official servers are dead.Not many people playing at all, though, but enough to stumble on the occasional ghost, have one invasion and see messages, so better than nothing.
Didnt that VaatiVidya faggot uncritically deepthroat every bluepoint employee in his video essays? Fromsloppers need to be put in gulags for manipulating the hoi polloi
>>737229515it misses the fortress that changed to a cathedral
>>737268275Why would you choose to copy Diablo 3 of all games anyway? Everyone hated the art style in that game
>>737269840legit no clue.
>>737229005Its basically the same game but with some QOL aside from that pratically 1:1 so no it wasnt, dont listen to retards
>>737269916gameplay wise it is basically the same. it even uses literal old code and scripting, but stylistically and aesthetically it deviates massively in a very negative direction, i'd say.
>>737229857Just incompetent Austinites who were good at grafix but awful at everything else.
>>737229005Yes, but Demon's Souls original was so good even the remake can't completely destroy it no matter how hard it tries.
>>737235032Blueslop has no sense of direction. Where are the highlights and silhouettes for the character and scenario. What are those fuckers, indie developers?
>>737230835I didnt even hear that song when i played emulated demons souls. Flame Lurker died to fast. all the bosses were a push over since had experience from the rest souls games.
>>737269994Bad graphics are not style and not >soul<
>>737269994it adds omnidirectional rolling and movement as well as major quality of life upgrades>>737270008they did more for it than Fromsoft would ever bother to.
>>737269994Well wheres the mod to restore the original art style, models and music?
Hi, i'm Nora. The anon that ACTUALLY SUED FROM SOFTWARE over ELDEN RING.Bluepoint was known for whitewashing Shadow of the Collosus before and de-japanifying it, so i don't forgive FROM for choosing them for a DeS remake to begin with. They did the expected to DeS. They turned the main character into a black man, blackwashed the 2 smiths, killed the game's level design, and NEUTERED The game's atmosphere.Demon's Souls has a peak atmosphere, the best Souls has to offer. The so-called remake killed that. It seems FROM realized their mistake and helped Sony kill Bluepoint as a result. Now they can see I was right.Now they just need to tell us how to play the REAL demon's souls...that message sign...you know the one...the real demon's souls starts here
>>737237618It is not illegal to play a pirated copy, you moron.
>>737270109>they did more for it than Fromsoft would ever bother to.fromsoft couldnt do anything else because sony owns it, retard.
>>737270109Just play unlocked and you can roll in any direction. Omnidirectional rolling is having less options for cameralets.Bloodborne having different movement when dodging locked vs unlocked is the ideal. Demon's Souls even had that in an unused experimental state that you can mod back into the game on PC.
>>737263940Why must western companies taint and corrupt everything?
>>737270193>why havent modders completely modded the entirety of a PS4 game with extremely high quality textures and models for free already?truly a mystery, anon.
>>737270274it is our Manifest Destiny
>>737270204its not illegal, its just that you risk your pc getting taken over by malware
>>737270203>Demon's Souls has a peak atmospherethis
>>737264772they changed it to resemble bonfires more because they knew that newgen fans associate demons souls more with dark souls. its truly laughable and insulting to peoples intelligence.
>>737229005soulvsholy soulless
>>737270281I am being a half troll but there is certainly an autist somewhere working hard to recreate the original style in the pc remake port. ripping music has to be done as well similar to final fantasy 7
>>737270274It's so true to themThat's all they knowThat's all they knowThat's all they know
>>737255846The worst part is how people justify modern UX slop as if it was a purely functional, pragmatic choice. Like, "No, you don't get to complain about it, it's just optimized to be as functional as possible. It was an issue that needed to be solved, and this is what the objectively correct solution looks like. So you don't get to complain about it, tee hee!"No the fuck it isn't. That's complete bullshit. I can't believe how many people fall for this lie and then parrot it to others.This copy+pasted diamond slop is a prime example of something with 0 (ZERO) functionality to it. And yet UX sloppers just copy+paste it constantly.
>>737270384God bless the autists who restored the music in Persona 3 Reload.
>>737270327Bluepoint literally made games for ResetEra.They want to be accepted by the liberals. Now they can see what it's like to be cancelled.ResetEra is also no longer relevent in gaming.
>>737270326you have to be an actual literal retard to get malware when pirating games. theres like 3 different reddit megathreads that give you step by step guides on how to do it safely, as if you even need any of that shit if you know how to navigate a computer to any capacity
>>737255846Remember when Elden Ring released and hack western UX designers were seething on twitter because it didn't follow their methods?
>>737270535sam winkler is a faggot but his critique of the flanderized style of souls games is true and funny. the zanzibartian writing has reached a comical level of parody at this point and they need to start attempting something new and daring again like they did with DeS and DS1. they also havent topped the original zanzibartian moment anyway.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgGjkxi_kGQ
>>737270535It's funny because I think Elden Ring is a genuinely shit game but I have zero issues with its UI. I would have no trouble even giving it some pity points for the solid UI design.
>>737229515they asset flipped over easy, didn't they
>>737232061>beige kino gasbravo
>>737229005Came out almost 6 years ago and is still arguably the best looking game of the generation, even better than Elden Ring lol
>>737271334>and is still arguably the best looking game of the generationbait
>>737270659Coolest Zanzibart moment is Ludwig's Phase 2 in Bloodborne
>>737275981yeah that one was good too. going from complete retarded horse mutant to a lucid and conscious human at the drop of a hat was very cool.
>>737229005even in your screenshot you can see how bad Bluepoint was. That portal arc has no reason to be made with random uneven stones. Like completely different buildings styles. But surely it looked 'more cool' to idiots from Bluepoint
>>737270659no actually the borderlands 3 writer does not have a point.
>>737278123why not? i like fromsofts games but their writing and aesthetic tropes are definitely becoming boring and played out. they rely too much on this style of melodrama that i am personally tired of. i only want for them to explore something new and interesting.
>>737229515Every one of these is indeed worse in the remake EXCEPT for the maiden in black and old king allant. Remake versions shit all over the OGs.
>>737280242old king allant looks fucking retarded. the maiden in black is also shit in my opinion because now she looks like a sex doll
>>737280349Nope. He looks a lot better in the remake and I won't hear otherwise. And uh yeah that's part of why remake maiden is better, but really it's the hair.
>>737280450youre probably the first guy ive seen who likes nu-allant. even other demake dicksuckers will criticise nu-allant.
>>737280242>EXCEPT for the maiden in black eh i dont like her new hair and bimbo lips in the remake. she's so much cuter in the original
https://youtu.be/nPe_MEnaVs4?si=u7vPBzsDyb0HliB4
>>737280242HOW DID YOU DEFEAT MY DEMONIC REFLECTION?
>>737269840creature design was not why people hated the artstyle in the game, especially not diablo's design
>>737229515Why the fuck did they do that to Old King Doran?
>>737268015Hilarious though that he did a complete 180 on this design philosophy to make what he considers his magnum opusOne of bloodbornes biggest themes is the very undignified and grotesque death of humanity for fucking around with things they shouldn't
>>737283024The designs in Bloodborne absolutely follow that philosophy. Not a single enemy looks disgusting like Bluepoint enemies do. The fate of people in Bloodborne is tragic, not grotesque. Vicar Emilia for example still looks dignified even as a monster.
>>737229005the audio is the worst partvisuals are bad though
They could have at least added the giants level. They really took the original game 1:1, pozzed the art style and added day 1 dlc items and changed nothing else. Thank God these hacks got shut down. There is literally no reason to play this now that rpcs3 is as good as it is.
>>737283024>Hilarious though that he did a complete 180 on this design philosophyHe didn't though. Are you retarded?
>>737229636george washington lookin ahh
>>737229005It is a soulless graphics demo
>>737268895Because there are DOZENS of concept art for each character and they just happen to share the ones that look the closest to the final game while the rest, the really early shit, often never sees the light of day.
>>737287692
>>737287692>>737287993that's awful lol
>>737287692>>737287993wtf
>>737287692>>737287993>>737288164do western artists really get paid for producing meaningless, tasteless slop like that?
>>737229005i know the second image is not AI but holy fuck it really looks like an AI generated imageit's probably the colors and how everything looks shiny
>>737280349I don't know who this is but>Left image, old guy is in a mission>Right image, old guy is lost.
>>737288252>Personal History>Michael Chang Ting Yu was born in Taiwan, and moved to Hong Kong at age 13.
>>737288380uh... umm... chinks are soulless!
>>737288380that doesnt fit my narrative, therefore its not true
>>737288380>when the art is so bad, people assume you are western
>>737270028Demon's Souls is actually so easy going back to it (plus most of the bosses are gimmick fights). It's kinda crazy how much we've gotten used to the formula over the years
>>737233632I do not like this. The Dirty Colossus is not menacing or cinematic, it doesn't need a full orchestra. It always felt like some filthy, dopey golem that "guards" Astraea, ie just hangs out in from of her room with all the worshipers. The standard mobs in the level are twisted and deformed, they are pitiful more than grand. Also one of the easiest bosses in the game since the level is the most oppressive and grueling in the game. I haven't played the remake but I don't find shit like this a nitpick, not every boss is Ludwig or Gehrman. I listened to the Tower Knight theme and I'm not liking it either. The old theme felt like a bunch of soldiers cheering on their champion, not the chanting of choirs. I also checked out the Fool's Idol theme, the remake really misses the point. It sounds so much less sinister and distorted than it should. Tower KnightOriginal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIW7Ho4xMa4New: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJs2rpPMZtE
>>737287993Yeah I don't know what the fuck is up with the other two but I kind of like this one as a conceptThe execution is still kinda bad though
>>737229005Demon's Soulless
>>737288485he's also the one who did the concept art for the archstones, the outside of the Nexus, the crow demons, Smough, Frampt, the mushrooms, moonlight butterfly, etc.
>>737235305Why does the Vanguard have chains in the remake? That implies it was a prisoner and not the master.
yes
>>737288716That could be a DMC boss.>suck on this*readies dick gun*
>>737288846i'm pretty sure that's an arm gun not a dick gun
>>737280450You will hear otherwise right now, nigger.
>>737288846I'm not even sure for what project this was. It was only listed under "early designs" or something on his old site.Could've been Ninja Blade or some game that was never made.
>>737288907right, it's his left arm lol>>737289126it would fit Ninja Blade much betterWho were the guys who made the actual original Demon's Souls designs anyway?
Duality of man>>737235473>what's the point of doing a remake if they're just going to make it different?>>737236050>I don't understand these kinds of remakes (graphical overhauls with the exact same gameplay),
It was fun
>>737289369Wrong. You didn't actually have fun, you were too distracted by the inferior art direction.
>>737289401Inferior art direction but far better graphics. Didn't bother me too much, I still have the PS3 version somewhere
>>737270510when in doubt, run the .bat file in administrator :DDD
>>737288252that's kind of the point of concept art, most of its going to look like trash, so you shoot a million shots and choose the best one.
>>737289319Conclusion: Remakes fucking suck and they should only do enhanced ports like the recent Star Force collection
>>737270535they think bad UI design is the game showing you on the side that there are non obvious button prompts to do extra things to be able to answer questions you might have. They simply don't look where the game slaps it on their screen because to them good design is having every element constantly spelled out for you and limiting everything you can do massively, every time you hover over elements it needs to tell you exactly that you can press X/A/Left click to do something in case they forget.That was literally all the issues>"well how was I supposed to know the game had addition tooltips about things if I pressed a certain button?">because every time you are at a menu with stats it shows you a button you can press to get detailed information and look at every single element of it and get an explanation of whatever you wanted, if you wanted more information, press the button.that isn't bad design, that is "designers" not being able to fucking read and expecting the game to play itself for them
Sony secretly dumped it to some mid westerner company without a word. No wonder Michael Zaki hates them since then.
>>737232061>how to annihilate contrast and turn everything into a sloppy purée >I KNOW! *opens asshole and lets out the most foul clouds of brown and orange smog to infect the game's aesthetic*thank you Californian mutt devs
>>737270535They were correct lol. Only a few months after launch did the game receive features such as NPC and (some) quest markers, new items being marked in your inventory, new NPC interactions (most quests were unfinished in 1.02). ER didn't get shit for any of this because reviewers were provided with official guides and regular players use Fextralife, this reliance on externalities not affecting the experience is puzzling but whatever... two wrongs don't make a right
