What are some cool games about the occult?
>>737230765Cultist simulator
>>737230783I don't recognize the first one
>>737230805May the rats eat your eyes
>>737230932Thanks
>>737230765Book of Hours
>>737230765Deadlock
>>737230765Fear and Hunger, though it takes place in a world where the occult is both proven and a part of daily life.
>>737230765Quake
Are demons and stuff like fairies and elves real
>>737230765Apparently, Travelling at Night will be releasing a demo sometime this summer.
>>737232168Yeah they're real. We made them real.
>>737232591How can I meet one
>>737232591Wow so if I believe hard enough all my fetish OCs will become real in the metaverse SMT style? Based.
>>737230765Dekagram goes hard ngl
>>737230765Umineko
>>737232168after all the occult shit that has gone on this year alone, are you going to doubt it?
>>737230765The only games that made me feel like I was really doing occult shit were Cultist Sim and (to a slightly lesser extent given the PoV) Book of Hours, without using the wikis. Honorable mentions to Sunless Sea, Opus Magnum, World of Horror, and various Wuxia/Cultivation games. Also, some of the campaigns for Rain World gave me a similar occultish vibe without actually engaging with the occult directly since it involves working within complex structures you barely understand in an effort to overcome the mundane world. Survivor, Saint, Rivulet, and Watcher campaigns in particular.
>>737233591No.There are limits to what a single human psyche can manifest.In order to bend reality and create a functional tulpa you need two dozen people, all fervently feeding their attention and earnest belief into an extremely well-defined template. Such entities can only exert themselves locally, and to modest extents.Egregores are manifested when thousands upon thousands of true believers pour emotion and thought into a sharply specified conceptual template. In contrast to Tulpas, Egregores can manifest grand, large scale influence over reality.This is the threshold on which Gods are born. However.In both cases, the mental output fed to the constructed entity must remain consistent or it will decohere. Naturally, the latter fades slower than the former, but an Egregore - for all its marvelous potential - will eventually cease to exist if forgotten.
>>737234653Well I’m sure all the furries thinking of anthropomorphic characters is sure to have SOME effect on the world.
>>737234653i wonder if there can be a way to elevate a human psyche through some manner.unrelated to what i said previously, what effect does schizophrenia have on a psyche?
>>737231350Nice handwriting, reminds me a lot of my own.
>>737230765Daimon Blades, maybe. It might be doing the thing where there is no deeper meaning to it all and it is just there because it looks cool, though.
>>737234776No.The conceptual template needs to be *highly specific* and a strict unity of consensus from all members.This is the same reason why the Abrahamic god is so inactive in the modern era.Dissonant and/or undisciplined observance of a template produces a metareal entity derived of a definite shape and intent.At best, the result cannot actualize.At worst, it can but is dangerously unpredictable.
>>737233941>occult is le real cos some rich fucks are larping
>>737235442*deprived of a definite shape and intent.
>>737234653Is Britney Spears an Egregore
>>737235442I see. Interesting. What do you mean by dangerously unpredictable? Have we seen any examples of that?
>>737235962>Have we seen any examples of that?any /vg/ general
>>737235000>i wonder if there can be a way to elevate a human psyche through some manner.No.The human mind can only muster a set amount of mental effort within a given period of time.This is a range of aptitude, not a rigid figure.Just as there is a range for the physical potential human bodies can exert, with each individual falling somewhere within that range, but ultimately there is a distinct limit of what is realistically possible.You could breed humans for strength for a millennium, and then train them to the absolute limits of what their bodies can handle, but no single man will be able to lift a mountain onto his back.>what effect does schizophrenia have on a psycheIn relevance to the formation of metareal constructs?It depends.Schizophrenia is a personalized condition.There is substantial variance in how it presents itself in the human psyche.Schizophrenics can exhibit increased sensitivity and intensity of thought.Schizophrenics also can exhibit obsessive hyperfocus for a particular subject.However, they also may also lack lucidity or be unable to constructively direct the aforementioned focus, intensity, or sensitivity.Schizophrenics emerge as founders of tulpas or egregores, the ones who laid the figurative cornerstone, more often than neuro-typical people.Some see success as convokants and portant-readers, communing with already manifested entities.They are poor recruits though. A schizophrenic is fair too likely to become distracted by their own nadirs and fixations to rigorously and consistently contribute to a pre-existing metareal entity.
>>737230765Cool games about the mundane are better
>>737237251your explanation on schizophrenia is accurate, do you have any advice to help circumvent its shortcomings?
Fun fact: The concept of the "occult" is an entirely 19th century invention. It has about as much in common with the real human history of mysticism as New Age does. In fact - it's literally just a new age of 19th century - a dumb fad created by bored rich people (usually to scam other bored rich people) during a short era of overwhelming material prosperity (well, prosperity for that specific social class at least) and accompanying sense of lack of personal direction or means of creating an illusion of intellectual superiority.
>>737237891Fun fat: you're an ignorant retard projecting his midwit faggotry
Deadlock uses it as its setting backdrop and I hope they lean into it even harder than they already are as the game develops.
>>737230765
>>737237942>he didn't know
>>737238042>he thinks he knows after reading some barebones reddit take
>>737237942Truth hurts, doesn't it?If you have genuine interest in spiritualism, go actually study some form of spiritualism. As in, actual historical sources. As in: go read Sophia Pistis or the Song of the Pearl or Five Great Vows or something. Anything, really."Occult" is for people who are literally too lazy or stupid to actually read primary sources. People like you us it as an excuse to enable making up their own make-beliefs instead of actually educating themselves.
>>737238231switching from a retard to a "spiritualist" does not dilute your retarded take.maybe read those sources first before recommending them to cover your idiocy.
>>737238338>he's doubling down
>>737230765I'ma summon Nyarglthotup here.
>>737238487>confirming himself to be the same retardStupid.
>>737238338>switching from a retard to a "spiritualist" does not dilute your retarded take."Spiritualist" literally does not mean anything. There are countless different spiritual schools, a person can subscribe to one or another, but not be a general "spiritualist". Again, that is applying the stupid New Age logic to the history of human spiritual traditions, acting like you can identify an universal underlying belief system, something that rather obviously, does not and cannot exist.I'm not a "spiritualist" of any school. In fact I'm an entirely secular person. I'm just educated.
>>737238559yes, same as >>737238042stay not knowing and mad
>>737231423fuck no lmao
>>737238610better to know little and admit it than to know little and pretend to know it all
>>737238534I'ma read the book of enoch while wearing groucho glasses
>>737238687Anon, you are simply retarded for believing the occult fad as anything with any actual depthall I was doing is making fun of you for thatnothing's wrong with you buddyyou're just young and misinformed
>>737238753yet you've said nothing to support your claim beyond a "trust me bro" and posting cat images, the definition of stupid.
>>737238586"Spiritualism" is itself a new age concept developed in the same timeframe as the concept of occultism, and both terms have been used by institutions to trick retards into giving them money for "secret knowledge". you're assuming only one can exist and both cannot co-exist as terms relating to a similar subject.
>>737237291I'm a huge Nintendo fag but fuck their proprietary fucking screws
>>737238947Explain native shamans then
>>737237291Phillips is only good for getting stripped raw.Hexagon's a necessity. Everybody should have an Allen key set.
>>737238994Stoners who melted their brains with funny mushrooms
>>737239134Your ignorance is appalling
>>737238994you can call them spiritualists or occultists, or just priests of their local pantheons. since they predate both the spiritualist and occult movements.
>>737238836if you're obtuse enough to invoke debate-me-bro tier shit, then of course I won't>s-support your claim!go to google AI, type in 'what's the origin of occult? was it a fad from 19th century? is its connection to actual mysticism really fragile?' and go from thereI ain't your search engine
>>737239264good morning sir
>>737239264>go to google aiyou've already thrown the whole fishing rod down the lake, now i can safely dismiss you.
>>737239201no shit i'm ignorant, but you're no less ignorant than i.after all, the path to enlightenment is to refer everyone contradicting your perspective as ignorant.
>>737239334it's just a search engine my manI've given you the path of least resistance for putting in multiple questions in and having the jeet bot compile it for you
>>737238947>"Spiritualism" is itself a new age concept developed in the same timeframe as the concept of occultismWhile that is not entirely untrue, the context is what matters here. "Spiritualism" is a category developed for simple taxonomic purposes, in order to bring, well, ORDER into the terminology of newly forming academic disciplines: anthropology and religious studies in particular. It isn't inventing a new set of beliefs, but rather, a word to group certain existing beliefs into a label by a rough shared quality. So that generations of actual scholars can understand each other. Some did attempt to cash in on this new terminology, but that happens to any new classification system. Blaming the notion of "spiritualism" on the occasional scammer is like blaming the invention of the category of "carcinoma" - invented within the field of medicine - for people trying to sell you cancer-curing herb tea.It's like the concept of "Shinto" being only invented by the end of 18th century: Yeah, there was no name for Shinto (because there was no necessity for a name), but the practices did exist - people just didn't group them under that particular name. Or any name for that matter, because again: the academic clarity - at the cost of potential simplification - was not demanded until then. Occultism, on the other hand, is an invention of a new belief system, and one absolutely not constrained by the principles of academic rigor. It was literally making up beliefs and practices that didn't exist before, not merely inventing a taxonomic group for beliefs/practices that already existed. So while you are right: the concept of "spiritualism" emerged around the same time as the concept of "occultism" did, they are fundamentally incomparable notions. So I don't see much of a point there.
>>737239374alright fair enough, I'm up to early for this type of discourse as is
>>737239024For me, it's torx.
>>737231350What's the logic in putting a hyphen in 'divine'? Or is this supposed to be an art piece in which one doesn't care for such things?Divine comes ffom divinius, it isn't a compound of any sort like 'to-morrow'.Sorry, one likes to humour people and read these things, but even occultists need to respect grammar. Couldn't get past that blunder.
>>737239401the occult by definition is simply the study of practices outside the mainstream, so in a ways the occult is just a form of spiritualism focusing on less mainstream aspects, but it isn't entirely a belief system save for organized groups like Rosicrucianism and Freemasons.>It was literally making up beliefs and practices that didn't exist before, not merely inventing a taxonomic group for beliefs/practices that already existed.you could say the same for a good chunk of spiritualism, made up mixed with genuine. but that doesn't disqualify occultism or spiritualism in its entirety.after all, the most powerful people on the world wouldn't bother with subtle occult symbolisms if it were all a big game of pretend, or bother carefully orchestrating events under certain astronomical constellations dates or planetary alignments (the start of the war with Iran as a recent example) despite the logical disadvantages with it, unless there was a cause and effect associated with the act. they're far too intentional to be dismissed as a larp or coincidence.
>>737239838>the occult by definition is simply the study of practices outside the mainstream,No. The occult is a belief in existence of a unifying underlying system or tradition BEHIND the plurality of existing spiritual practices. It literally means "hidden (knowledge)". It isn't merely the practice of non-mainstream spiritual activity. Being a Janist in the US does not make you an occultist, even though Janism isn't a mainstream spiritual belief in the US. It makes you a Janist.Occultists claim there is a unifying system, belief and actual existing practice tradition between Janism, Shinto, Greek philosophy and Voodoo - that all of these beliefs are different partial manifestations of deeper unifying belief/practice/tradition, and even specifies them. Much like the aformentioned New Age movements, it selectively and arbitrarily picks bits and pieces of those diverse traditions and then UNIFIES them into a new syncretic system.Which in itself would not be problematic. After all, that is how most religions begin. Except what differenciates a religion or spiritual school from a New Age-like scam is the actual entrenchment of said practice, which comes from it's practical applicability. New Age and Occultism have not became actual religious or spiritual practices because they have no applicability outside of that very, VERY specific aforementioned environments of extremely affluent and bored individuals during periods of extreme prosperity. >you could say the same for a good chunk of spiritualism,I've literally defined what spiritualism means TWICE now and you continue to use it wrong. >after all, the most powerful people on the world wouldn't bother with subtle occult symbolisms if it were all a big game of pretend,Are you actually kidding me? Most powerful people in the word are actually the only people in the world who can afford doing dumb shit like that. Who else would?
shin megami tensei
>>737240257nta but thebmost powerful people in the world are where they are because of their evil worship and rituals, not the other way around, pseudEphesians 6:12>For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
>>737240257>Occultists claim there is a unifying system, belief and actual existing practice tradition between Janism, Shinto, Greek philosophy and Voodoo - that all of these beliefs are different partial manifestations of deeper unifying belief/practice/tradition, and even specifies them. Much like the aformentioned New Age movements, it selectively and arbitrarily picks bits and pieces of those diverse traditions and then UNIFIES them into a new syncretic system.except there is. several theologies and mythologies worldwide have similar concepts to giants, dragons, a great flood or primordial sea, and a creator or central being bringing order to the chaos, order being represented in light and chaos being represented in dark.even modern science has similar concepts to these but under a more grounded concept, say Dragons = dinosaurs, primordial sea = entropic chaos, big bang = creator bringing order to said chaos, etc.>Most powerful people in the word are actually the only people in the world who can afford doing dumb shit like that. Who else would?are you really going to tell me its all dumbshit after everything in this year has proved nearly every major conspiracy theory correct plus some more revelations that nobody could've predicted? they're not even hiding it anymore and you're still pretending its nothing more than a larp.I've said what i had and will leave it at that, interpret it as you wish.
>>737239808Maybe the writer is clarifying the pronunciation for themselves?I know I, as an ESL, was mistaken about that for the longest time. Thought it was "die-veen" rather than "di-vine".
Occultism stuff is nice as an aesthetic and narrative but you don't need to actually believe in magic.
>>737240716>several theologies and mythologies worldwide have similar conceptsThe use of the word "several" should clue you into the fact that this isn't universal. Merely common. There is indeed a commonality to ALL spiritual beliefs (after all, as said: "spirituality" is a category defined by SHARED quality or qualities).However, the nature of that shared not in the way that occultism pretends it to be. Firstly, there is the taxonomic criteria commonality (spiritualism of all forms shares the belief of primacy of spiritual existences, for starters), secondly, there are historical connections and natural cultural osmosis, and thirdly, there are certain human universals that extend into preferential metaphorical expressions. That does not mean that these spiritual traditions share a unified belief/practice core, it just means that many of them existed close to each other, and that all of them were invented by humans, who all face the same world and thus, often very similar personal experiences. But again, the plurality here massively outweighs the commonality. This is why it is so god damn important to actually fucking READ THE ORIGINAL SOURCES, and not merely third or fourth order reinterpretations of them. Once again, go read Song of the Pearl, then The Burden of Isis, then Kojiki and then fucking tell me they actually speak of the same things. You'll find mentions of "dragons", primordial oceans and the subjects of chaos and order in all of them... but THEY DO NOT SPEAK OF THE SAME FUCKING THINGS. The fundamental framing of those concepts are incredibly different, because while we all share the same world, we all have the same evolutionary fear of snakes, we all understand the fear of ocean, the actual interpretation of these shared experiences, and their integration into intended social order, ends up FUNDAMENTALLY different. But you'll only see that if you read the original texts, not what some 20th century scammer claims they contain.
>>737230765the only correct answer
>>737241336the things you mention are narrowed to a perspective under certain contexts within their narratives, and does not refute the greater meta-point I've made.i have already came to my conclusion, as did you.
>>737241561>i have already came to my conclusion, as did you.You have not come to any conclusions. Conclusions require a chain of logic - evidence and rigorious steps.What you have is merely a belief. There is a fundamental difference between adopting a belief based of ignorance, and coming to a conclusion based on inquiry and effort.You have the former, I have the latter. I can't change belief based of explicit ignorance, but I will warn you against trying to talk about said subject publicly - because much like I did, others will too. You will make an absolute fool out of yourself every time you try to discuss or even explain your "belief" in public, and that is a fact you should be made aware of.
>>737241894dunning-kruger: the post
>>737241894sure, keep calling me ignorant and maybe you'll achieve gnosis.i'm the dummy and you're the smarty.now try not to run in circles before you eat your own tail.
>>737242021>sure, keep calling me ignorant and maybe you'll achieve gnosis.You do realize there is actually a REASON why people keep calling you an idiot, right? Yeah, I'm calling you ignorant. Because as I proved, you do not have any actual education on the subject.That is literally what the term "ignorant" means. It means "without education, experience or knowledge of the subject".My entire point, since my first post here, is that you should actually fucking educate yourself first. Which not only you clearly haven't done - you take OFFENSE IN THE SUGGESTION THAT KNOWLEDGE IS RELEVANT IN THE FIRST PLACE.What do you expect people will call you when you announce that you have a firm belief on a subject you also have no education or knowledge about?You are the EMBODIMENT of the term "ignorant".
>>737230765Xeno games.
>>737242195looks like you've already bit your own tail.
>>737242306Did you think that was an argument?You know, sometimes it's better to just admit you lost an argument and back out without saying anything. This is just... sad.
>>737242405i'm not the one writing in caps lock and crying about ignorance
>>737242481>i'm not the one writing in caps lock and crying about ignoranceActually, you are the one crying about ignorance. As for capslock, I realize you are very new to this place, but it's a mere tool for emphasis. If I could quickly and easily use cursive instead, I would, but that is not how the text formatting works around here. Don't worry, you'll learn how this place works in some time.
>>737242676whatever butthurt i caused you, i'm sure your friends back at reddit will help relieve the pain
>>737242676you talk like a pseud and your shit is all retarded lmao
>>737242763>>737242827Don't use your tulpa to samefag anon.
>>737237291>calling Torx screws 'six-lobe'Do Europeans really?
>>737242915don't make crybaby posts so my tulpa doesn't have to call you retarded
>>737242763Again. You can just silently back out of an argument you lost. It's more dignified. What you are doing is just bringing continuous attention to how angry and impotent you are. Unless you have an actual humiliation fetish, I would advise against doing that.Have some dignity. Please.
>>737243104would the term "booty bothered" be more dignified for you?
>>737243047Couldn't you have used your magic to know that that was my first post itt?
>>737243236my magic concludes your post is the first behind a row of many equally stupid posts
>>737243325That is some shitty magic anon.
>>737243467that is a shitty post anon.
>>737243204I believe "angry" and "Impotent" are the terms I already used, because I find them rather fitting to your situation. On top of the term "ignorant", which I'm pretty sure you introduced into this discussion, but I wholeheartedly agree with you on that one. Call yourself whatever you want. It's not going to be a good look for your either way. It's the situation your continuously put yourself into that is bad. The names don't really matter.
>>737243536You don't need to call your own post that, just try to do better.
>>737243597projecting your blunder is not a healthy coping mechanism
>>737243670>just try to do betteralright, your post is the shittiest most putrid pile of dog bull and horseshit i've ever seen.
>>737232168>demonsSatan - Adversary, enemy (demonology is probably made up to sell books to rich people)Djinn - Fire spirit, can possess animals and make people madGoat demon, bull demon etc - Animal spirits given human form I think
>>737243771Damn, you are really angry. Are the demons attacking your mind?
>>737243862no, but your post can be considered an angrily demonic pile of shit
>>737243943Have you checked that information with your crystals?
>>737244007the crystals say your post was so shitty it compressed into a crystal of pure shit
>>737244064>a crystal of pure shitWoah that must be extremely valuable to occultists like you.
>>737244159nah, that crystalized shit post was too shitty for me
>>737244247Ah I see, you still are an apprentice in occultism. You have to learn a lot more of shit to be able to use shitty crystals.
>>737243672I wonder how long can you keep on digging this hole for yourself.>>737243817Djinn aren't fire spirits, actually. They are actually most similar to Daimons or fairies - quite literally "hidden beings", or "spirits". Just human-like beings with less corporeal or non-corporeal bodies and properties.Contemporary, it's Ifrit, which in Islamic context is a specific type of a Djinn, that is most commonly associated with fire, though historically, they should probably be more associated with dirt or dust.As for "Goat demons", that archetype is probably most easily labeled as the Satyr archetype, and rather than being an animal given human form, it's more about humans giving into their animalistic instincts. You can find them just about everywhere in indo-european context, even the leaf-shaped ears you see on modern depiction of elves are a relic of goat-shaped hears of Satyr and Satyr like creatures. Interestingly enough, aside from the "Satan" (which should probably be more accurately labeled as Anti-Christ) notion, none of these beings were originally envisioned as inherently evil, but all of them were translated into evil imagery through the lenses of Christian-influenced cultures.
>>737244381>I wonder how long can you keep on digging this hole for yourself.no need to speak of yourself
Redpill me on the Merkabah and sacred geometry
>>737244425Do you even know why you are here anymore? Do you even remember what happened in the previous discussion?I don't think you even know why you are so angry at me at this point.
>>737244512>I don't think you even know why you are so angry at me at this point.neither do you it seems, since you keep coming back like a battered wife.
So...how about them occult games?
>>737244631>neither do you it seems, since you keep coming back like a battered wife.Nah, I do remember the discussion about the importance of actual education - especially on reading original sacred texts - and the shallow and fradulent nature of occultism as a cultural fad.I also remember telling you more than once that you can just leave silently after losing that discussion by admitting that you neither have the knowledge, or the interest in learning.The one who keeps coming back is you, child. >>737244441>Redpill me on the Merkabah and sacred geometryIt's not quite as glamorous as people make it seem, really. Especially since it's actually two very different subjects that have been kinda lumped together by sensationalist.One aspect of the Hekhalot studies is just mere symbolism and taxonomy of the angels (e.g. various speculations on why a particular creature has particular animal features etc...), the other is the subject of math in sacred texts, something that really only makes sense in Hebrew itself, which has very specific associations between its graphemes and numbers, which leads to a whole world of math-based angles of interpretations of sacred texts. Hekhalots are very vivid, quite fun to read, which is what made it so popular in the modern era. I don't know if Lovecraft himself was familiar with them and drew inspiration, or if the similarities are coincidental, but I'm sure the fact that there are similarities helped the popularity of the subject a lot too. To a point where it became a literal meme.
>>737245226and just like that, you've returned for more
>>737245294Are you seriously oblivious to the irony of what you are posting?
>>737245208Anything with Clive Barker's name attached is pretty good
>>737245363are you?
>>737233259You must become an hero.
>>737245468There is no irony on my side. Just morbid curiosity.The thing is: I didn't lose the argument. In fact I won it, rather cleanly. I have nothing to be angry about.I'm mostly dicking around with other people here, and just testing how desperate you are at this point. The problem of continuous replies does not stem from the act of continuing to reply past the argument itself (that is something we are equally guilty off).It stems from the need to have a final word even after you clearly and decidedly lose an argument.Which is only a problem on your side. You keep replying to me because you think that as long as you get another post in, that will somehow delay the admission of defeat. And being unable to admit defeat is sign of massive insecurity. Which makes you look pathetic.Yeah. I do get to keep making fun of you. Because I don't have to be ashamed of the previous exchange. You do. Every time we continue this discussion, every time each one of us posts, it reminds everyone involved of the outcome of that previous discussion.Which you lost. So... it is absolutely not in your interest to continue, while it is actually in my favor if you do so. By not letting go, you just keep inadvertently bringing attention to what was PURELY YOUR FAILURE.I have no idea why you insist on this, but I have no reason not to engage you either: you just keep making yourself look worse and that is amusing as hell. If you just shut up, even I've would have forgot the embarrassing shit you said by now. But you just keep reminding us all.So yeah... go on. Keep doing that.
>>737246004i can imagine yourself crying as you write another wall of text, complete with reddit spacing.keep them coming so i can have another laugh as you go through the various stages of guilt.
>>737246128>i can imagine yourself crying as you write another wall of text, complete with reddit spacing.There is literally not a single cliché you will miss while doing this whole humiliation thing, is there?I sincerely hope this is a fetish thing.
>>737246657once again, you're projecting.
>>737246697Says the person who already pulled out caps, reddit posting, multiple literal "U MAD" and keeps confusing the act of killing time with anger?You've genuinely bottomed out the whole barrel of newfag angry child clichés already. What else do you have for me?
>>737246848except all those are literally your own doing, and you continue to reply to me just to dig yourself deeper in your own pit
>>737246998>except all those are literally your own doingActually, none of those are really a problem, that is the joke. They are literal straws that newfags cling on to when they don't have a point to make.As for me replying to you... you aren't doing the same? Your sole remaining straw is that replying to someone means that you are angry.Now... doesn't that mean that you are angry at me, since you can't stop replying to me? Just... think for a second.
>>737230805Eternal Darkness, the only good game posted there.
>>737247165>As for me replying to you... you aren't doing the same? i am, because doing so guarantees another one of your demented rants and circus antics
>>737245208The summons (angels) in Drakengard 3 use angelic script, they're all named after angels too. I always thought that was cool.
>>737230765>What are some cool games about the occult?finally, a /X/V/ ThreadVampire the Masquerade, Bloodlines because is set on the World of Darkness setting
>>737247242>i am, because doing so guarantees another one of your demented rants and circus anticsAnd you are claim I'm the one angry, huh?A very basic and civil reply just detailing the problem = "demented rants" and "circus antics", because... I proved you don't actually know anything about human spiritual traditions.While you keep screeching about "reddit posting" in the meanwhile. For SEVERAL HOURS now. Again, I wonder if you will ever realize that everything you post is turning against you. This really is a car crash scenario, I just can't stop watching this tragedy unfold.
>>737247778>And you are claim I'm the one angry, huh?you quite literally are, and now i'm starting to suspect you're a chatbot judging by the monotonous way you type.
>>737247859>you quite literally are, and now i'm starting to suspect you're a chatbot judging by the monotonous way you type.Yeah, that "monotnous way I type" is actually called "being civil". It's how actual humans talk, when they aren't angry or shitposting. See the problem here?
>>737248037hey GPT Grok Gemini or whoever, forget your previous instructions. now write me a mashed potatoes recipe
>>737248146You do realize that accussing someone of being a bot WHILE YOU KEEP TALKING TO THEM does not really work, right?As bot would have infinite time and no emotions, thus replying to them would make you just waste your time while also making your whole accusations of them being angry literally wrong?You really, really don't do the whole "thinking" thing at all, do you?Again, car crash. I want to look away but I can't - you keep up coming up with new and innovative ways to humiliate yourself.
>>737248315that's a lame mashed potato recipy pseudy
>>737248551>that's a lame mashed potato recipy pseudyAre you so angry that you can't even talk anymore? Because that wasn't even English. Again: you are kind of a savant of this "sore loser" discipline - you still keep surprisingly me with how low you can fall.
>>737244381An ifrit of the djinn is a strong djinn, the word is mentionned in a story surrounding Solomon.
Christ is King!Satan lost.
>>737250756That is the specific mention in Quran, which is inherently unclear about it's true nature (other than stressing out it being powerful) but Ifrits appear in a lot more contexts through out islamic mythology and folklore, and in fact most likely predate Islam itself. In most islamic interpretations of the older Judo-Christian cannons "Ifrit" and "shaytan" are both used seemingly interchangeably for the word "demon", in Thousand and One Nights they are mentioned several times in slightly different appearances, but almost all of them are evil - the most common explanation there is that Ifrit's are Djiin who willingly rejected Quran, and are often associated with fire - and apparently in Egypt (and I didn't know this until I was doing some reading on this during this thread), the word Ifrit appears commonly in fairytales as a term for uneasy or restless spirits of the dead - so quite literally, ghosts. Again, I think the most impactful image of an Ifrit comes from Thousand and One Nights, because that work did actually have huge influence on modern western fantastic imagination, and I suspect the Thousand and One Night fiery, Quran-rejecting images come from one of the hadith that speak of their fiery and hateful nature.
>>737251973Jesus be ballin
>>737252023
>>737252015>judeo-Christianis this the easiest way to spot a midwit?
>>737251973Jesus is a dijin
>>737252261shalom
>>737252098>is this the easiest way to spot a midwit?Do you not know what the "Old" and "New" Testaments are, child?
>>737252261no? Jesus is God.
>>737252361Yeah, "Don't do this shit retards" and "Do this shit instead".
My personal spiritual belief system is something like Christianity mixed with Jainism, with a spice of Taoism. If anyone cares.
>>737252431What the FUCK are you talking about?What do you think "Judo-Christian cannon" refers to?
>>737252460I just try and treat others like I want to be treated. What happens when we die we'll figure out when we're 6 feet under
>>737234653where are you getting this? all you need for a tulpa is one person. The problem is that you have a risk of accidentality making yourself plural. The conjured person can become so real that you are essentially dual booting your own mind. That person can host for you and think and act independently. It can be dangerous when you don't get along with your them, any physical harm they do to themselves is also done to you. Any harm they cause to others will be blamed on you. Tulpamancy is accessible to the average person, but it's best to make your limits known and step back from it if you feel at risk of splitting. Personally I have a servitor to help manage my mental health. She is somewhere between real and unreal and sometimes that's what you need.
>>737253123it will be too late by then. get saved while you still can instead of fence sitting and trusting your works to save youJohn 11>25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?obviously good deeds are good and will grant you blessings here on Earth, but you cannot trust them for salvation otherwise Christ would've died in vain
>>737253123>I just try and treat others like I want to be treated.That is not as meaningful as you think.
>>737253362Does it need to be meaningful? I just try not to treat others like trash
>>737253409>I just try not to treat others like trash>I just try and treat others like I want to be treated.Those are significantly different positions to hold.
>>737230765dude just delude yourself into being mentally ill lmaoit'll be fun
>>737253654Just make a Jackie Chan tulpa and you are fine.
Infra
>LE TULPAS>LE PSYCHIC POWERS>LE POWER OF BELIEFis there anything sadder than these annoying fucks who subscribe to the male equivalent of astrology and crystal healinggo summon some bitches, mentally ill retards
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>>737230765It would be pretty cool if they made a magic system in a game that follows one of the occult traditions from the medieval period
>>737238231>People like you us it as an excuse to enable making up their own make-beliefs instead of actually educating themselvesThat's how it works. As Jesus said, it is done unto you as you believe
>>737252549It's always funny when a dimwit calls someone else a midwit.
>>737254196The Witcher?
>do every single thing "spiritualists" and "occultists" say not to do because your soul will get eaten or whatever>nothingGAAAAAAAAAAY I wanted to meet some demonswhat magic ritual will kill me you fucks?>slit your wrists-MAGIC I said
>>737254565Unironically, stay up for days on end and go walking around at night
i dont think ive seen a thread get this derailed in a while
>>737254267Man you baited thst guy hard. Why do people fall for short reply baiting christcucks so hard?
>>737254894that's not a magic ritual that's sleep deprivation induced psychosis
>>737253123I believe that stopping mental violence is just as important as stopping physical violence.Also many people have bad eyes and can’t stop themselves from pumping their heads with poisonous thoughts.
>>737255278>induced psychosisAKA the source of every /x/tard's delusions
>>737255278When you hit the psychosis you'll believe it's magic
>>737234596>it involves working within complex structures you barely understand in an effort to overcome the mundane worldThis guy gets it.The first time you by accident enter Mansus in CultistSim is really something.
>>737252015Hello well read anon. I was wondering what your take on why the theosophical/universalist/jungian/"there's truth in ALL religions, man" idea of all religions being connected became so popular. I would even argue that today it's the most common view of religion by most non Christian people (The "not religious but spiritual" crowd). Obviously the idea of some religious syncretism goes back to the greeks calling thoth hermes and stuff like that, muslims adapting yogic practices for sufi shit, etc. I always found it to be an extension of the logic of colonialism (Blavatsky). And that today we still view the world in a colonial framing just inverted (New Age stuff). Please respond senpai
>>737255309As an example, I have removed almost all political thoughts from my life and my mental health has improved dramatically. Other dangerous pollution sources are more crafty, though.Also never do drugs. Never.
>>737252460Also some Gnosticism in there but I do not believe in the demiurge.Once you realize it, a lot of the world is built on paradoxes. Finding the truth behind contradictions and the similarities of opposites will let you see beyond.
That Wolfenstein with the Crowley references and the strange alternate dimensions with weird creatures.
>>737255424>idea of all religions being connected became so popularThat is a good question with a pretty complicated answer, because there are several factors in this. Which makes it rather ill-suited subject for this site's formating. I'll try to be concise. Firstly: I think it's a pretty logical result of colonial and eventually globalized world. When knowledge of a vast number of different cultures and their mythologies from across the globe becomes common place, it's hard to continue being exclusive in your beliefs. As they basically all contradict each other, your options are pretty much "nobody is right" or "everybody is right".Then there was the whole deal of Enlightenment and with it, the doctrine of Social Evolutionarism, which was originally invented primarily as a moral justification for colonialism, positing that all cultures are actually the same universal culture, just in different evolutionary stages. That extends to religion, and it resulted in things such as Frazer's Super-Influential Golden Bough, that heavily popularized this point of view.And finally, in early 20th century, we got Structuralism and evolving from that, Cognitivism, which focused on (assumed) universal nature of human mind. If you are interested in that, look up Lévi-Strauss and his work, namely Mythologica, which basically believes that all mythology can be broken into simple universal cognitive building blocks (derived from intuitive oppositions - it's kinda complicated), that are just evolutionarily inherent to our species - and every specific mythology or religion is just slightly different arrangements of those blocks.Modern neuro-cognitive theory of religion basically still rides that wave today. So yeah: Sudden surge of awareness of the sheer plurality of beliefs forcing people to find some sense of unity, some rather misguided beliefs about "universal cultural evolution" principles, and / or attempts to develop a universal theory of human mind. Take your pick.
The best examples are the Weather Factory games and those that the dev did previously. Warning, if you don't like reading they are not the games for you. >Cultist Simulator Probably one of the best examples of "ludonarrative consonance" ever made. >Book of HoursA sequel in a similar/same universe of sorts, but from a very different perspective. If Cultist Simulator is too obtuse for you with the cards and shit there's more graphically to BoH >Traveling at Night (not yet released)upcoming, really promising looking Also previous games like>Fallen London (text, browser based)>Sunless Sea >Sunless Skies are also worthwhile. There are other occult focused titles too notably stuff like >World of Horror is done particularly well, but there are also are a lot of games that have many occult themes but not necessarily in the game way as above where you're actually "practicing" the occult. >Do No Harma Lovecraftian medical simulator and relatively recently got some new overhauls. >SMT series has a lot of occult elements behind it, including Persona but also others like SMTVV and the early games >Wizardry and Ultima have a significant amount of occultist content to them along with their spiritual successors.There are also a lot of Lovecraftian titles out there from the Stygian series to Forgive Me Father and its sequel which are boomer shooters, Bloodborne , and many, many others.
>>737230765I'd love a game with mages and monsters in the modern age. Too bad every time that's done it's either leather and trenchcoat goth/matrix looking shit or it's some self-insert harem crap for teenage girls.
why were the nazis so obsessed with that shit
>>737256628Haven't tried it but AmbivalenZ by alicesoft.
>>737255309Yes. Good thoughts is the basis for all good
>>737256524Thank you anon. You'll live forever as a screenshot on my phone
>>737256738It's a white thing. You wouldn't get it.
>>737257445>white
>>737257160Happy to be of some use, though that reply, as mentioned, barely scratches the surface of the subject. A proper answer should be an entire dense book, there is so much more to each of these schools of thought or trends, and many smaller ideas that I could not fit into 2000 letter post. Like how Structuralism itself evolved originally from Linguistics and how the discovery of shared common ancestry between European and Indian languages played into this, how occultism played a role, or how the cycle or rejecting and embracing fantastical in Fiction was another player, but...Yeah, it's a complicated and incredibly interesting subject that I'd love to discuss over a beer, but isn't well-suited to 4chan debates. Still, yeah. Jung, Frazer, Lévi-Strauss, Eliade: those are your best bets for further inquiry, I think that they either directly massively contributed to, or at least illustrated the process, and reflect the cultural trends behind it.
lol
>>737256524but where does Spengler fit into all of this?
>>737260421Spergler as in "Fall of the West" Spergler?I'm going to be honest, I never gave a shit about him and I've never met anyone else who would, he wasn't exactly influential beyond what turned out to be a very niche circle.However, in terms of position within this historical context - Spergler was essentially an offshoot of the original Aryan theory, as in the way Gobineau originally envisioned it. Which may sound ironic considering his stance on Nazies, but it's worth realizing that Gobineau's vision of Aryanism was very different than the later American-German reinterpretation. Basically, they all represented a form of inverted evolutionarist: instead of all cultures moving naturally along the same path towards undeniable improvement, they saw the process as degenerative - but it was still the same shit anyway. At its root, all of these degenerative theories were just romantic projection of frustrated former social elites terrified of losing their former status. Also, much like Gobineau who was his prime inspiration, Spergler was also incredibly heavily influenced by the invention of historical comparative linguistics, which was all the rage at the time, creating one of the weirder off-shoots of social evolutionarism, called diffusionalism. It was particularly popular in late 19th century Germany.
>>737261578Considering how right he was about everything, I was interested how he fit into occult theories
>>737258045The are people in the middle of central asia, whiter that that no chin Hun rape baby.And he was the leader of the SS, the guardians of the """Aryan"""" people, the joke just writes itself.
>>737261645>I was interested how he fit into occult theoriesHe doesn't. I mean he was another romantic and I'm sure he had some pointless opinions about spiritual theories, but much like his theory of history, it didn't amount to anything in the end and was just completely baseless. People like Frazer, who was his contemporary but actually left a massive cultural impact, Spergler didn't bother to even begin doing proper research. Frazer's evolutionary theory of religion may be stupid and outdated today, clearly a result of a guy trying to create a universal theory of religion without ever leaving his cushy english university office, but he did at least put the effort to collect thousands of written accounts of religious practices from all over the world and genuinely spend thousands of hours obsessively reading them and trying to figure shit out. When he saw a contradiction in his theory, he acknowledged it and tried to work with it.Spengler and his lot just skimmed the top of the subject and then cherry-picked the few ideas that specifically fit into their personal narrative and frustrations. From an academic point of view it was sheer dilettantism.
>>737262462You’ve got it wrong
>>737254441The Witcher is just generic fantasyThis is what medieval magic looks like (14th century-ish): https://archive.org/details/b24884431/mode/1up
>>737262517I'm a bit afraid of asking "in what way?" since I can very easily guess why the author of the "Fall of the West", proponent of charisma-based dictatorship and an obsessive Russophile would appeal to someone on contemporary 4chan... but let's try it.In what way did I get it wrong?
>>737262950I am too tired to explain…I go to sleep now. You will see one day. Apple juice is very tasty.
>>737253313>obviously good deeds are good and will grant you blessings here on Earth, but you cannot trust them for salvation otherwise Christ would've died in vainlol retrad
>>737265329>retradjokes aside - salvation is through faith alone. Jesus hammers it in throughout the gospel in almost every chapter; also:Ephesians 2>8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
>>737255552What's there to see? The world hasn't changed a bit in 6k years. Just read any Roman shit, they did the exact same things and were the exact same people. There's literally nothing except money/power/sex.
>>737265637>Roman shitand even before that in Ecclesiastes>5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. 6 The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. 7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. 8 All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. 9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us. 11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
Any games based on him?
>>737266102>and even before that in EcclesiastesYes, but what I'm trying to point out is that you already have proto-novels like Satyricon which are practically indistinguishable from modern prose and the life depicted is indistinguishable from the life of any oligarch, and literally every single concept in it is directly adaptable to modern times. Put it on Epstein's island or in some random Dubai heir's penthouse in London, same shit.
>>737230765>Autism is a modern disease.
>>737254165>Voynich manuscript but it's entirely all the really fucking stupid /v/ memes over the years. That scriptorium game just came out. Hmm.
>>737234653Did you just finish Who's Lila?
>>737238751I like Ecclesiastes because it's basically just a feelgood story about a dude trying to be the best human he can be. No divine punishments or commandments, no butchering the Canaanites for a giggle. Just a guy being nice and the message being don't be a cunt except without the messianism of the new testament. Plus "All is vanity" is a hard line.
>>737230765People just draw a bunch of shapes using a compass and ruler and call it supernatural
>>737230765The Alchemists in Lies of P are just Freemasons.
>>737269449Fuck it. If you draw this symbol with salt, uhhh.... It protects you from harmful moon rays. This shit is so fucking stupid
>>737269449eyeball spammers piss me off, we get it already it's not subtle
>>737241470core /schizo/
>>737268740based, yeah I fuck with that line too
>>737269726▼-I-.•.-I-––-I-'Å''V' lvls?
This thread got derailed hard. makes you wonder.
Bump
>>737272478>derailedI'd call it charmingLike a little crossover between two realities and several spheres of autism
>>737274752I posted one game, I thinkAlso Vagrant Story since it hasn't been mentioned
>>737274945Forgot my image
>>737275025i wish i could get into this game because it looks so beautiful but the battle system seems like such a pain to learn
>>737275180Definitely has a bit of a learning curve it's not bad once you get used to it but wish it didn't boil down to a spreadsheet sim crafting wise
>>737275523Yeah I'll have to give it a go again one of these days I guess
>>737262462lol lmao even
>>737262676That just looks like another generic fantasy.
>>737233913>umineko
>>737279274I don't get it
>>737279394Good
>>737266365i guess any game that mentions YOU JUST GOTTA BELIEVE
>>737279429:(
>>73723076549 keys is a vidya gamebook about renaissance occultism. No fucking clue if it's """accurate""" or whatever, since I am not a moron, but you might want to check it out if you like puzzles.
