What will the industry do when we lose this man?
>>737234853Who cares, he hasn't made a decent game in like 20 years
>>737234978Alyx was great.
>>737234853It will all die with him, then finally we can be free.
>>737234978fpbp>>737235063pc gaming died when steam became popular
>>737234978He supports Linux and keeps Microshart, Ubishit, Activision, Blizzard, Epic or EA from raping PC gaming with their corporate bullshit.
>>737234978Every game they've made has been great thoughevermaybeit. Would you rather have a developer with a few great games and bunch of slop games? Or a developer with a handful of great games that continue to stand the test of time?
>>737235127>Died>More popular than everYou can't just redefine words when their meaning doesn't suit your liking. That's what leftists and transgenders do.
>>737235127The opinions of an animeposter mean very little.
>>737234853The same as before? He doesn't even do anything other than going on a yacht trips, using ozempic, and eat mac chickens.
>>737235225it's always tranime fags that defend steamshit THOUGH
>>737235363>>737235225normgroids detected, you have to go back
>>737235296He's the only multi billionaire that is a human and not some lizard in a suit set to maximize profits and cuck the customer, and he gave you Steam. Gaben is a shining light in the darkness of a dying industry
>>737234853Probably continue collapsing as they've been doing all along.
>>737235453he also gets kids and young adults addicted to gamblingbut all in all the world is better off with steam
>>737235127Yes more proof that your posts are retarded bait. Pc gaming would die without Steam. Gaben actually kept it alive and showed the industry that PC gamers ACTUALLY buy games instead of pirating them all the time. I bet you don't even know how dogshit the original gays for winblows live port of RE4 was like. Spoiler, it didn't even have mouse support.
>beat the fucking Rothschilds in a lawsuitGaben never stops winning.
>>737234853We'll be in good hands actually, all indications are towards his son assuming control and his son is a hardcore pro-PC pro-consumer hawk, if Gabe was a lazy fuck and won by doing nothing, then imagine what his son will accomplish by doing things
>>737235572Gaben said before PC pirating has never been an issue because PC gamers aren't adverse to spending money. If you spend $2000+ on a rig, you can also spend sheckles on a vidya. PC piracy only affects shit companies that make slop games or shit with performance crippling DRM. Gamers will buy good games.
>>737234853people who whine about steam don't realize if it didn't exist we would be in a hell where every single publisher has a separate launcher and store and indie games would never launch, leaving us in a hellscape where the only games are AAA games. and the store fronts would have no incentive to make their launchers good at all (see: the absolute state of battle.net). fortunately if gaben dies its unlikely steam will, since I kind of doubt he's actively involved in valve anymore, and hasn't been in the last decade and yet it hasn't died, so him kicking the bucket would make little difference. also recall valve is not beholden to shareholders and they already print infinite money so they don't have any reason to go public, meaning the worst they can do is nothing which means steam stagnates rather than becoming worse which is fine. I'd only worry they stop doing hardware/r&d, because it's a cool position to be in to have something to sink all their money into>but I don't care if steam dies because I can just pirateyou can do that right now too so don't whine about steam if you don't even use it anywaystl;dr basically anything you can imagine that's bad about gaming right now would be worse without steam
>>737235569>MUH CHILDREN shit againIf your kid>plays games above his age range>plays online games above his age range without you supervison>is able to make online purchases without your knowledgeThen this is your own fucking fault, not Steam's.
>>737235668>indie games would never launchyes i'm sure minecraft, cave story, yumme nikke and many others just could NEVER EVER make it without steam!
>What if Steam doesn't exist!!!Stop basing your arguments in what ifs.
>>737235705cherry picking examples, if you can only list a single digit number of successful non-steam indie games over the last two decades that is not a good indie scene
>>737234978Steam provides a pressure relief Valve for the worst habits of the industry, because it makes just selling games to gamers the easiest thing as opposed to endless accounts, vendor specific pre-order bonuses, invasive DRM, etc..
>>737235668Gabe owns 50% of the company and is the only reason it's stayed private and employee owned. I fear what happens to it after he passes. Even companies like Rockstar Games that print fucking money with their releases are owned by Take 2
>>737235718Steamies aren't capable of arguing in good faith, they're delusional cultists.
>>737235802Name 3 (one) better alternative
>>737235787whoever gets the company after him will get the 50% or enough that they are set for life. what does it matter if you're only a few hundred millionaire vs a billionaire? there's still no actual reason to go public, you go public for funding and they don't need funding. someone who takes the company public would go against what valve was founded on so it would just be destroying the company and I can't see gabe giving the reigns to someone like that
>>737235828GoG
>>737235718>can't understand hypotheticalsHow would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>>737235881>has maybe 1/100th of Steam's library >doesn't have a proper social ecosystem
>>737235213The golden age of PC literally died when Steam became normalized. And all the biggest games in PC is NOT on Steam.
>>737235787>>737235856His son is most likely to take control, and as I said before, he is even more hardcore in his beliefs than his father, he will not give Valve to dumb billionaires
>>737235927>proper social ecosystemSee, you're already showing how you're a deranged subhuman cultist. A STOREFRONT fro games does NOT need social media bloat. Go back to consoles, subhumanite nigger.
>>737235127>Aquajeet>retarded opinionA /v/ classic
I emailed him for a Deadlock code last year and he responded with one.
>>737235951can i get a sauce on the son being a hardcorde gamer?
>>737235705Yeah, without Steam the indie industry would be highly niche and the only popular ones would be those going through the effort of shilling themselves a lot in niche communities. Minecraft was initially a niche game, it only got a boost through piracy and youtubers making videos of if.>>737235718Yeah, what if Steam didn't exist. A idea that confuses you endlessly because you have no idea what PC gaming was like in the 2000's.>>737235802Indian.>>737235881GoG was launched to provide a niche service for people wanting to play retro PC games and was never very big or high budget.>>737235936>The golden age of PCI'm sorry, when was that? Because definitely not in the 2000's. The age of companies forcing increasingly malware-tier "copy protection" onto physical discs, PC gaming being openly crapped upon and declared "dead", dogshit console ports, studios cucking gamers by making games that would be GREAT for PC into console exclusives from fear of heccin evil piracy (Saints Row 1, diablo clones, RTS games, first person shooters like The Darkness) and MOTHERFUCKING GAMES FOR WINDOWS LIVE.I swear, Steam haters are genuinely trying to talk about something they have no idea about.
>>737236171>The age of companies forcing increasingly malware-tier "copy protection" onto physical discs, Yeah like a tiny few games that EVERYONE hated and gave them shit for it, so instead you rather have an always Online DRM shit that is the same that also collects and sells your data?But yeah, please elaborate exactly how steam made it more popular with examples.
>>737235979so you use windows by the sound of it? having a hostile relationship with software isn't healthy and you don't have to have a breakdown if you get something you don't want to use
Gabe won
>>737235213>>737235572PC gaming was doing great before steam, we had all sorts of classics like warcraft 3 coming up. Now PC gaming is just console gaming but more expensive, cattle secondaries get hyped to play console ports in their console knock off handheld and not handheld pseudo console pc for premium price. Steam is just a vampire parasite ruling a platform way past its glory days pretending to be a anti hero of some sorts while in reality responsible for some of the most cutthroat vidya practices or at least popularizing them "lootboxes, paid mods, season passes, early access, rampant censorship, drm store, etc. etc." and steam's boss is a hedonistic lazy fat ex microsoft kike brony niᥒteᥒd𐐬 drone slob who lives in a yacht and can't move 2 feet without running out of breath. You are but a little child parroting poisonous lies coming out of marketers' mouths. Need I remind you moot the biggest faggot that ever lived the underage skinny unfunny dumbass who created this shithole was a Valve shill who ordered his neckbeard moderators and jannies to prune all the anti Valve posts for the longest time? I doubt you do. I swear even 5 years ago steam worship wasn't this bad, probably because people didn't forget about all the Valve sins by then and moot wasn't in charge. Some of us still remember what others have forgotten.>>737235936New gen steam fanatics will never explain this coincidence. If steam saved pc gaming why then steam's popularity boom coincided with the end of the pc golden age? Why was the last proper game aside from alyx was Portal 2, right before steam's boom? Why for almost 2 decades PC was a prime platform for console ports, streamer bait, early access, asset flip flops? Where does this sense of superiority of steam lards come from? Even a decade or so ago PC master race redditors disowned Valve for being a lazy corporation who would rather collect 30% and then 75% with paid mods instead of making games like Half-Life 3 and Left 4 dead 3.
>>737235569>he also gets kids and young adults addicted to gamblingso you want digital id?
>>737236262>projection and strawman in the same postWhy are subhumanite steamatoids like this?
>>737235569Counterstrike is an M rated game intended for adults to play.
>>737236341>didn't answer the questioni already have my answer then, you're just a bitter nigger
>>737236303>aquajeet is a total esl who doesn't understand how to format his textpost your iq test results you illiterate train of thought spewing troglodyte, no one is going to read this shit
Only normiegroid cattle who came to 4chan and gaming in general during Covid worship Valve and Steam. Most actual gamers used to actually be willing to stand up to Valve in cases and just simply treated it as a storefront without the weird religious veneration you see in this thread.
>>737236250>Yeah like a tiny few games that EVERYONE hatedGood lord, you genuinely weren't around back then.>https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/SecuROMRead this. The list of games is very long. Includes liked games like Gothic or F.E.A.R. This is just one type of malware DRM that raped physical games.>But yeah, please elaborate exactly how steam made it more popular with examples.Way more games started coming out on PC with higher quality of PC ports. Even Japs started putting in more effort. In the 2000's the console ports, especially japanese ones tended to be poor quality because console devs looked down on PC gaming and viewed it as a den of piracy. Japs especially consdered the idea of playing on PC to be a joke. Do me a favour and compare the original PC versions of DMC games with DMC V, or the original RE4 port with the modern RE versions. Or the original Dark Souls port with later From games.>>737236303>PC gaming was doing great before steam, we had all sorts of classics like warcraft 3>can literally name one game from 2002You have no idea how fucked the situation of PC gaming really could get in the 2000's and it shows.
>>737234853There will be no industry in the future other than AI generated games.
>>737236587>Only normiegroid cattle who came to 4chan and gaming in general during Covid... post clueless anti-Valve takes that show being completely clueless about PC gaming in the 2000's.Also Valve backed out of the paid mod shit fast. Bethesda is still doing it.
>>737235909discussing hypotheticals is low iq but I bet you think quoting some basement dweller's post is profound
>>737235909If you want to argue with hypotheticals, then I can use it as well. >If Steam doesn't exist, what if there's a better platform?>If Steam doesn't exist, maybe microtransactions will never be normalized?>If Steam doesn't exist, maybe Denuvo won't be a thing?etc
Why does he seethe so much over Gaben and Valve?
>>737236842Steamie subhumans awfully silent after this one...
>>737236552>>737236682>>737236750Look at all the nitpick non arguments you post. What makes you think Valve saved pc gaming when all classics predate steam's popularity boom? Will you avoid these facts and post more disingenuous bullshit again? Just accept the truth and free yourself. Stop being a retard.
>>737236842you're a complete esl but i'll bite>If Steam doesn't exist, what if there's a better platform?you're getting games for windows live or equivalent, take it or leave ityou have to be a moron to believe the piracy central that is gog would be able to anchor pc gaming>If Steam doesn't exist, maybe microtransactions will never be normalized?that's completely delusional, valve isn't responsible for microtransactions, EA is>If Steam doesn't exist, maybe Denuvo won't be a thing?denuvo equivalents would be the fucking BASELINE, see starforce and securom
>>737237016>you're a complete eslsteamies are consolefags of pc gamingthey are the only ones shilling drm stores and console knocoffs
>>737236969>What makes you think Valve saved pc gaming Actually being older than you, playing games back then and being aware what the situation of PC gaming was like back then.Without Steam, PC would be considered a graveyard for gaming. Nothing to play but old titles, shovelware, random strategy games or online shooters, dogshit console ports or nothing else. You'd be forced to have an account on Games for Windows Live TODAY or use some other shitty service like Origin or Uplay to play games. Without anyone there to stop them or tell them there's another way, Corpos would compete in who can create worse "copy protection" malware or more predatory DRM in an effort to "end piracy". GoG would be practically irrelevant. Indies would only stay in niche circles and their chance for success would be only sucking corporate cock for publishing. All the anticipated high level gaming would be console ONLY . You really think japs would release Elden Ring or modern RE games on PC without Steam showing them that PC is a worthwhile market? Don't make me laugh. Sure, maybe emulation would be a thing but with dying interest in PC gaming I doubt it would be on the same level as today.Educate yourself.
>>737237051so where do you buy your games from?you do know that pc games without any drm at all is a complete impossibility right?the only reason you can easily crack so many games now is because steam became a reliable platform that they don't mind its security being paper thin
>>737237263He's going to say "erm muh physical" when physical games were already raped with DRM's like SecuROM or Starforce. Every. Single. One.
>>737235127>aquajeet seethes in every valve related threadare you going to kill yourself when steam conquers the console and mobile space?
>aquajeet and his friends feel completely silentGood. Sit down. Have additional reading material:https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/StarForcehttps://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Games_for_Windows_-_LIVE
>>737237016>MY hypothetical cannon is valid and YOURS isn't!impeccable argumentation.
>>737234853crash
>>737235127>>737236303>>737236969I'm gonna fuck Aqua
>>737237969https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacyyou're assuming that some uncompromising and flawless consumer champion would arise if not for valveyou're no different to rioting niggers in africa that destroyed all their colonial structures because they were obsessed with the whitey boogeyman
>>737234853Consumers? Cry as we are subjected to every worst monetization scam you can and can't imagine.The unwillingness of governments to regulate the games industry should be a hint of how worse things will get when the, seemingly, only man with scruples AND power bites the dust.In ten years from now, we are gonna be FUCKED worse than a white girl walking in the streets of the Islamic Kingdom.
>>737238082And you're assuming that there was no other possible way to combat Starforce or GFWL without submitting to Valve's DRM slopware. False dichotomy essentially.
>>737236852Because the only way to compete with Steam now is for a storefront to have Linux support, an optional launcher (potentially even optional accounts) and no DRM.Everything else not only unsolves the issues that Valve solved, but there is zero trust in any new storefronts because they didn't tough it out for years.This is obviously not preferable to a large company, because legitimate competitors like GOG operate on razor-thin profit margins, not the profit margins that Steam has.>>737237263>you do know that pc games without any drm at all is a complete impossibility right?GOG has no DRM, the DRM on Steam is even outright optional and there are games on the store that don't use any DRM.Stronger and stronger DRM is basically a placebo, there only needs to be a mild speedbump in the way of pirating a game or a lot of lubricant helping along legit purchases, and most of the piracy that actually impacts sales vanishes.
>>737238318Awful DRM's like Starforce got killed off because gaben told corpos "but what if you sold your games on my store that only asks someone to make an account". Games for Winblows DIE got killed off because Steam was already on the rise and people knew that there's a better alternative. So yeah, Steam hate assuming some PC Gaming Jesus would spawn in a universe where the industry is openly taking a crap on PC gaming and wants it to replace it with consoles, without Gaben around to show them that PC is still a worthwhile market.
>>737238464>ignores my point completely and just repeats the same niggerbabble againCan steamcucks not argue dishonestly for ONE SECOND?
>>737236682Still waiting for you to elaborate, you argument so far is "we got a few decades old shitty console ports so that saved PC gaming" When we had console ports long before steam.
>>737236071Show proof.
>>737237967>>737236682I litearlly don't own a single game with any of these DRM you claim every game had>mfw looking at the list>its all games like "Garfield: Saving Arlene, Garfield: Lasagna World Tour and Gadget & The Gadgetinis"Why are VaIvedrones like this? Its all games nobody gave a shit about or owned.
>>737238501Okay. Ball is in your court. What would put an end to increasingly shittier copy protection without Steam showing corpos that theres another way to make sure their games sell legally, and what would kill Games for Windows Live without a better alternative existing?>>737238640>When we had console ports long before steamSo you're retarded and can't read. Yes, we had console ports before steam. And they were usually dogshit. Because console devs did not consider the PC market to be worth actual effort. Doubly true for Jap devs who especially didn't give a shit. Steam becoming popular showed them you can still make money selling games to the PC audience so they started trying harder.I'm serious, compare the original port of RE4 to something like the RE2 remake or just the updated PC port of RE4 (still inferior but actually more playable).>>737238716So you only took a few seconds of looking then went back to TikTok...? Starforce would be worse for Euro audiences wanting to play Stalker, true, but also affected Fallout 3 or Neverwinter Nights 2 among other games. SecuROM was on many popular games like Batman Arkham, F.E.A.R or Company of Heroes. Many games like the original PC port of Dark Souls, Street Fighter 4 or Gears of War got raped by GFWL. Educate yourself.
>>737238981Boycotting, legal disputes, or legislation like what Stop Killing Games does.In fact, it would've been easier to argue against ANY kind of DRM BECAUSE it was draconic and so destructive.However, I also understand that 90% of steamies live in lawless shitholes like brazil, russia or chyna, so the concept of a government that actually does something to improve your life is completely alien to you.
>DRM was bad on PC before, so Steam saved PC gaming by forcing even more DRMHUH?
>>737239062You really think that nobody was boycotting copy protection or games for windows live? They did, but in the end corpos obviously had a "go fuck yourself lol" attitude. Again, SecuROM or Starforce died after Steam made corpos feel they're obsolete and GFWL died because people already knew a better alternative. SKG also can only actually exist because people know the answer to "if no always online and server connection, them what else?".>>737239412Stop being clueless, console nigger. Steam "DRM" is notoriously light and practically a joke. SecuROM, StarForce or especially GFWL were designed to be pure cancer.
>>737240264Steam DRM is worse than those, what the fuck are you smoking?
>>737240287>steam "DRM" is worse than what GFWL wasOh, to be a clueless console nigger trying to pretend he knows what he's talking about. I think you should also be mocked for unironically saying "Steam is worse than SecuROM or Starforce".
>>737240418Yes anon, having to install a DRM platform that forces you to always be online to collect and sell your data is worse than a random program that checked if you had your disc inserted.
>>737234978FPBP. Gabe newell literally doesn't do a single fucking thing anymore, he just coasts on other people's money because he was the first successful storefront. Dude takes 30% of all other people's income because he's a rent seeking leech.
>>737240264>SKG also can only actually exist because people know the answer to "if no always online and server connection, them what else?"I suppose in whatever subhumanist third worlder shithole you're from the majority of the population has 70 IQ, but in Western educated countries people would actually know that some games release without 0 DRM and use them as examples. Also the fact that DRM would straight up brick your copies would be a pretty fucking major violation of consumer rights across the world.Oh, and one more thing. The most draconic iterations of DRM like SecuROM were only used in subhumanist shitholes like russia where piracy was rampant. Western releases of these games usually had less draconic DRM.
>>737240469Oh. So you ARE completely clueless. SecuROM would "monitor" your system to check if you're not tampering with the game in any way. Starforce uses online activation and was also capable of limiting the amount of times you're allowed to use your licence key. GWFL was notorious cancer nobody liked and even developers hated that garbage. Not to mention that GFWL was just hard welded to your games and while you CAN just easily crack a game to run without steam, to this day it's impossible to remove GFWL from your game completely and you have to hope devs will care enough to do it.>>737240606>linux support is nothing
>>737240617>the indian thinks the west didn't have drmLooooooooooool
