Any news on Deltarune release? Feels like Toby gonna pull a surprise early drop of chapter 5 in June.
every time there is news the fandom goes ballistic and over analyzes everything, so i wouldn't be surprised if toby does a surprise drop
>>737245212There isn't any news or anything else to discuss, plus June feels too early imo. Toby has been completely quiet for a month now with no signs of a newsletter in sight. You just have to keep WAITing.
>>737245212>>737246340ts pmo sm. y'all thought we wouldn't notice y'all tryin to push this heteronormative slop????
>>737246371is it hetero if they both have penises
>>737246340He already did that for Chapters 1 and 2. Since 5 is a free release it's possible there's another shadow drop but I only expect one in August.
>>737246340>>737246647>shadow dropI recall there was a minor controversy when chapter 2 released because it fucked the releases of some other indie games.
Krusie gonna beat Suselle on the festival?
>>737246909Yeah, I doubt Toby cares about any of that lol
>>737246521yeseven if the girl is much, much bigger
>>737246521>>737247736Hetero Krusie>Yuri Krusie>>>>>>Futaslop Krusie.
>>737247571Both will lose
>>737245212Just is a bit early, but I suppose possible in theory. July is likely, if not July then August. September and later is basically 0% chance.
>>737248101>yurislopfag hates futayou are an ant beneath my boot
>>737245212More like Deltatroon amirite
>>737248719I don't like yuri, it's just better than futa.
>>737245212Earliest we're gonna hear anything is the summer Nintendo Direct, Toby's said we're not getting newsletters or status updates anymore which means we're really close, but at the same time it's the most agonizing part of the WAIT because it's radio silence until that likely point.
>>737248473I dont think SusiexRalsei ever crossed the mind of Toby.
>>737250257If so he's a fool.
>>737250257I don't know about that one
>>737247571No. You're on the wild ride of Toby "yurifag" Fox.
>>737250257Toby probably though of shipbaiting them before but he knows the money is on every Kris’s ship. People barely care about Ralsei.
>>737245212We already had a thread about it with a similar question as the OP, but the last shred of news we've gotten about Deltarune is now over a month ago.>The Japanese translation has been in development since mid-Feburary, and professional testing of the game has been ongoing since April 1st.>Japanese translation quality assurance is expected to wrap up this month, and heavier bugtesting across the console ports will immediately follow.>This testing period is "indefinite", and there's still various other tasks to do before chapter 5 can properly release: approving the update on consoles, making the trailer, updating the website, preparing pre-release information, and maybe even making Spamton Sweepstakes Part 3.
>>737247571krusie is allowed to happen but Noelle belongs to (you) anyone who gets in the way of the angels will be dealt with
>>737251848>implying the dog won't force you to use her up before you get to make any lasting commitmentsHe learned from his errors in Undertale, you WILL be unsatisfied outside of seeing just how far you can torment these characters.
>>737251937Too bad he can't stop me from modding this game.
>>737252067This too is what the dog wants. He wins either way.
>>737251937I don't personally think Toby regrets the fact players felt satisfied by fighting hard bosses in Undertale and I feel like that's the only real part that made players "sastified" in Undertale. I can definitely see him making fun of the romance aspect of the weird route and killing off both Kris and Noelle in it. We're using everyone as tools to get stronger
>>737251303>>737250471Kris is intended as the self insertion. I'm pretty sure Toby wrote dialogs and scenes to make people either ship Kris with Susie(majority of game), Kris with Noelle(chapter 2) or Kris with Ralsei(swan ride). The controversive ones are KrisxBerdly which seem like an open jokes and SusiexNoelle which look like an unintentional joke
>>737252121Actually, he explicitly wants fan games as per the latest stream. Nigga was BEGGING.
Doe status?Dino status?Goat status?
>>737252615>Dino status?Dead at the end of the Normal and Weird routes BUT alive (pic related) in the "secret" Gerson route.
>>737252615Raped.Unrapeable.Tragically not raped... yet.
>Check the game, Kris isn't male, it's pronouns are They/Them >Also, Kris on every other fanart
>>737252741Weird Route = KriselleNormal Route = Implied Krusie but Kris or Susie diesTrue route = Ater Normal Route and beating this game's version of Asriel will end on a happy Krusie note where after Kris say goodbye to darkner characters recruited so far he will go with Susie on the lake and credits will roll!
>>737252897He'll be forever male coded and stealth male confirmed by fine hints.Toby just refers to all humans as they/them for practical reasons, one of those is covering his ass when self-insert shipping drama happens.
>>737252897Toby wanted to make the protag ambigouus, but he didn't think gender autism would be this much overwhelming in the west so he stopped really interacting with the westerners. Japanese understand they can self insert as male Kris and don't ask him about sexualities of the waifus.
>>737252897He need to level up to understand Man's world
>>737252478Yeah, that's literally what that guy said? He wants people to mod his games.
>>737251303>People barely care about Ralsei.Might have true before chapters 3+4, but he really comes into his own in chapter 4, especially at the end where everyone (except us) learns about the final prophecy.3+4 also have the highest Ralsus density so far, for what it's worth.
>>737253412No I mean from scratch, original story etc.
>>737252476>>737253197Kris is not a self-insert and is explicitly writen to not be one, and although nippon does see Kris as male, they are also open to FemKris and don't view him or any of the humans as self-inserts.
>>737252897It's not even that Kris is nonbinary, he's gender ambiguous but obviously meant to be male (else you have to wonder why someone who kvetches as hard as Toriel would allow a boy and a girl to sleep in the same bedroom, especially with how Known Weirdo Kris is that she'd unironically worry about the possibility of incest).It's just that if Toby comes out to say anything, confirm or deny, he loses that hint of ambiguity, and he's an omnipotent autist about keeping details about the human characters to himself and himself alone.
>>737253443I meant that shipfags don't care about Ralsei outside of wanting to fuck him because he isn't the human character we play as.
>>737250257>my hearts hurts because susie is so nice to me
>>737253164>heroes>not heroesez and more in line with toby's trickerymkris inserters have zero evidence backing up their theory except for vibes, while femkris chads have flavour text, dialogue, and character behaviour that support kris being biologically female
>>737253571Sad cope because you personally want to fuck human avatars.
>>737253613toriel sperged out when bratty kissed asriel and made everyone go to church to atone for a week, but seemingly has no issue when all of kris' school friends are girls, and knowingly lets kris hang out with them unsupervised
>>737254858Kris is different. Toriel lets Kris do whatever he wants.
>>737254749see >>737254774
https://litter.catbox.moe/v2g7ar.mp3
>>737254858Because she sees and hears constantly that Kris is too busy pranking everyone to give a damn about romance with girls. Asriel is a different case where Kris actually seems to fall in line out of sheer respect and idolization.
>>737254774I only want to fuck Frisk and Chara which nippon usually draws as big booba women so no, I don't have anything to cope. Objectively Toby has not written any humans to be your self-insert, especially Kris. Just use the Vessel for that, because if you think Kris is your self-insert for shipping you will be extremely disappointed. >>737252897Despite the humans being ambiguous people always draw Kris as masculine giga chad or Chara as a big boobed women, only Frisk is treated ambiguously and even then big booba fanart edges out in the end.
>>737253613I genuinely don't think Toriel would think Kris would fuck her brother if she were a girl, plus Toby doesn't care about this gender stuff, there's plenty of girls in this series that are lesbian and men that are gay. In Toby's world a male Kris is just as likely to fuck Asriel than a FemKris.
>>737253613>asriel would totally rape his sister if they shared a room together but would restrain himself if kris was a boydrain all that cum out of your brain
>>737255160gotta agree with this anon. no matter how which route you're in Kris hates (you). just be content that odds are high we'll get our vessel back by the end of chapter 5. then you can self insert all you want
>>737255691God, please let it happen soon. I am so sick of Kris' bitching
>>737245212>Feels like Toby gonna pull a surprise early drop of chapter 5 in June.Words uttered by the utterly deranged. July is the earliest it could release, and I would argue even that is overly optimistic, to be more realistic, expect an August or September release. No, I don't know how it can take so long either, but it does, and there's nothing we can do about it.
>>737253613>>737254858burgerpants interactions are the main smoking gun for male kris
>>737255691Yeah, I'm a humanfucker but besides that I can easily tell Kris isn't self-insert material, if you think Toby will play that or any dating sim stuff straight you're delusional. >>737256021I miss my human wife Frisk so much...
>>737256070i feel like even burgerpants would know that hitting on asriel's younger sibling is a major no no, and if kris did lean more on the tomboy side of things there's a chance burgerpants wouldn't be into her regardless
>>737252615>Raped>Toby's waifu and the real main character >Raped by fate
>>737256684No, he's talking about the fact Burgerpants shoots the shit about his attempts at scoring with Kris as if he were one of the guys, which he is.
>>737255160Kris is just a different flavor of Ness or Link. They are still self insert avatar of the player even if they have their own character and backstory. People need to stop coping with "it's not you ACHTUALLY" becuase it's pathethic. Everyone on this planet knows you don't self insert as a floating heart shape otherwise soul would have genuine shipping fandom with Susie, Noelle or Ralsei instead of Kris filling that role.
>>737245212Deltarune Delayed for another 8 months because Toby has to translate it in Spanish, Mexican Spanish, Puerto Rican Spanish, Portugese, Chilean, Taìno,
>>737256996>otherwise soul would have genuine shipping fandom with Susie, Noelle or Ralsei>he doesn't knowstill waiting for when noelle asks (You)r name at the festival
Kris is a white straight man bonding with furry and scalie monster girl. That's the truth woke twitter want you to forget.
>>737253571the dev letting it slip multiple times on twitter and the game files say otherwise. but you do you
>>737256996But the SOUL literally does have a shipping fandom, SOULelle is a popular ship since the Chapter 2 days. If you want a more humanoid self-insert, there's your vessel. You aren't link but blue, but link but gray.
>>737257356Toby literally never said anything about Kris outside of accidentaly retweeting an art where there was a FemKris sprite, though.
>>737257051only spanish and portugese are real languages the rest are just spicese pidgin
>>737257189he doesn't know oulelle predicted back in the chapter 2 days and is growing in popularity. lol lmao even
>>737256996Anon, the whole point of Kris is that at first glance it looks like your average self insert protagonist only for the game to show that he's not actually that. This shit was show all the way back in Chapter 1, how the fuck can you still be saying this retarded shit
>>737258205Because the point of the end of ch1 was supposed to be that Chara was still making you do epic genoslides, according to these dumbfucks
>>737255008>THE HOLY motifskino
>>737255008Post the SoundCloud you got this from.
>>737257051Toby doesn't give a fuck about spics, he only delays it to glorious nippon because he absolutely loves them. You need to let go of this. It’s over already.
>>737252897Honestly on Twitter it seems to be a balanced portrayal, even as they their best to make best girl appear androgynous.
>>737259870most femkris believers accept kris looking a bit boyish, if only because it supports kris hiding that she might be the second hero
>>737252897Kris is non-binary but there is something to be said about how every important figure in their lives is a woman and that they have strained relationships with every single man, including Ralsei and potentially Asriel as well
Susie won't survive her wrath
>>737259992Kris isn't non-binary, though.
>>737259990True, Kris is at the very least a tomboy (even if she might be one just because she only wears Asriel's clothes)
>>737260173they clearly are
>>737258205It's just a flavor of the game "your avatar has le mysterious agenda" doesn't change the fact he is still your avatar unless you play as someone else. Literally all VN self inserters do stupid shit you can't control but you aren't claiming to be an invisible guy controlling them.
>>737260196Proof anyone used that phrase in game or Toby used it? Otherwise you are just adding own headcanons to the usage of they/them in the game. Claiming non binary is the only explanation is retarded like an entire gender ideology.
>>737260436Not every concept needs to be said directly to your face.They live with constant dysphoria and disgust towards their own intrusive thoughts, in a heavily religious household.Doesn't need to be elaborated upon
>>737245212suzy is so fucking ugly man
>>737260632Hey! You don't talk to my wife like that.
>>737260990i'm henry firth
>>737259870I can't agree with that, my man. Most Kris art makes them look real boyish. The people who make Kris look feminine or even being a girl is rare, and nowadays it comes from people wanting to make Kriselle and Krusie more queer. In my experience it's not really balanced.
>>737260373I don't think you understand the concept of a meta narrative but at least your cope will stop once we leave Kris for good after Chapter 5. Plus just because you play as a character doesn't mean you're them, that's brainlet thinking.
>>737261374I guess we just follow different artists.
>>737261374traditionally the more feminine to outright girl kris' came from japan, but in the past year or so i've seen more western artists warm up to the idea, even if subtly
>>737261556I actually feel we follow alot of the same since I see a lot of the same art you post, but I guess the others that I see are the exception and where we diverge.
>>737260540>in a heavily religious household.A religion that has no concept of sin?
>>737262170we know toriel believes in it though, and imposed it on asriel despite alvin insisting that it doesn't
>>737262256Belives in what then, because if their angel religion has no sin, Toriel must be some kind of fringe cultist from another denomination
>>737260196Kris is just gender ambiguous, not non-binary. His gender is kept vague like most details about the human characters.
>>737260540>monsters>not being the most open and accepting kind of people as it regards one's identity and sexuality in existence who would immediately shower Kris in validation and approval if it were ever found out
>>737261762nta, humanfrens do merge sometimes as a single entity, so i'm not sure if that anon has the pics you think he has, in my own flavor i barely get any Kris pics for example
>>737245212>Feels like Toby gonna pull a surprise early drop of chapter 5 in JuneI wish. Toby probably doesn't know for certain when it'll be ready because Chapter 5 is currently being tested for all platforms (not just PC).Either way I'm patiently waiting. If I didn't have the patience I wouldn't have bought it until all chapters were finished.
The They/Them humans gimmick is too ever prevalent in Deltarune to remain as an elephant in the room. Kris is far too old, unlike the Undertale children where their gender didn't matter, because gender shapes experiences the older you are in an undeniable manner, especially for teenagers. So is Kris' angsty personality meant to be commentary about having a queer identity or not? If Kris is meant to feel alienated from Hometown because of a sandwich of reason that isn't majorly because they're nonbinary, why write that in the first place? If it's not to have queer themes, then why continue with this annoying and pointless gimmick? The they/them pronoun choice doesn't work well at all as a glove to bait the player into self-insertion because it creates the opposite effect, Kris becomes far more individualized being a weirdo with inexplicable they/them pronouns than being just a he or a she. It's just unnatural.tl;dr: if he's not gonna write a queer story where Kris' pronouns actually matter he shouldn't have put them in in the first place
>>737261727Maybe, FemKris was definitely more popular in nippon, maybe because of their culture or maybe they just like female anons. A lot of western artist just make FemKris so she can be gay with Noelle and Susie.>>737262694Maybe. I was mostly referring to pics like the one he posted or are posted here. I usually only save KFC pictures or pictures where Kris particularly look good as I'm not that much of a Krisfag myself.
>>737252897I thought non-binary was inner shit or something.Since when does it mean an NB can't have a dick?
>>737262989>nonbinary people are too unnatural in this high fantasy story that has magic and monsters that are never questionedyou are weak
>>737260540Monsters are super accepting to fags so that isn't it, Kris problems comes from being a human in a monster town, not about his gender.>>737262989Because Toby purposely keeps things vague to bait fan discussions and Kris’s gender is one of those. His gender identity doesn't matter as his issues come from his species dysphoria. Welcome to Toby's playbook of generating endless fan content.
>>737263060it is, people can't just choose their sex even if they cut their pp or booba out of despair
>>737263060it doesn't, that anon is just acting in bad faith
>>737263060This is how I imagine human Noelle to be like.
>>737245212So what is important about june 5th?>>737262989Tobby knows his fanbase, he needs them, besides he likes that kind of shit, people forget that tobbias the radiation fox is a very gay man
>>737263186If you want me to understand your setting then explain it to me
>>737263401Do you think Toby ever saw this with his own eyes?
>>737263401Are there any drawfags with us who could whip out Noelle with the last pattern's underwear?
>>737263401>people forget that tobbias the radiation fox is a very gay mansome anons can’t accept that he’s a bit of a faggot, so they have to play up his otaku BS as signs of him actually hating his western fans and despising fagslop
>>737262348it's probably one of toby's 'don't think about it' things the angel religion has no concept of sin, but everyone knows what it is so it must exist in another religion we don't know about and that toriel seems to have been a believer of it at some point
>>737263639Someone should post it on twitter, it would be fun if by a miracle we get a reference of itAfter all is very old school to find the heroines panties somewhere at some point
>>737262993>A lot of western artist just make FemKris so she can be gay with Noelle and Susietrue, but they're still mercenaries who fight for the cause, whether they know it or not
>>737263401June 5th was when the Switch 2 and thus 3 and 4 came out, but outside of that there's nothing special about the game.
>>737263401Toby probably considered having Noelle or Susie give Kris their panties after finishing their routes like in Danganronpa
>>737245212>early dropretard
>>737263060most non binary people have some flavour of mental illness a large chunk of them are also either girls who were sexually abused or are autistic, sometimes bothfags like shayy are generally outliers, who only claim to be so for fetishistic reasonshe's also probably an autismo as well
>>737263926NO ABSOLUTELY NOT you saw what happened when this did
What will be more dissapointing? Chapter 5 festival or the finale to Amazing Digital Circus?
>>737246340susie looks like a troon
>>737263993oh thanks!>>737264083lol, even mario rpg did it with peach's "???"
it will release the same day as toy story 5
>>737264028Toby isn't that based, he would literally never ever do that.
>>737264174that was in the 90'smodern nintendo wouldn't allow it
>>737263993So the current cope dates are June 5th, September 15th, October 31st and December 25th. Any I missed?
>>737264085The more i think about it the festival will be interrupted so the characters don't spend the whole day there, but i hope we do get development for all the teasing we gotThe clussy will end with the fact that everyone is just a digital copy or they are actually dead, there is no way that will have a full happy ending, the last episode was pretty neat so i think it will end fine enough
>>737264085I don't care about the Amazing Bigot Circus.
>>737264251This was just fine for them
>>737264294a couple people think late june/ early july but iirc none of them give a specific day, just vibes
>>737264085tadc has been disappointing me every subsequent episode I'm left wandering now why did it even become popular in the first place
>>737264534It's really just Kinger carrying the entire show on his back.
>>737264534Characters people want to fuck, characters with little known about them which makes them ripe for headcanon, a setting with little known about it which makes it ripe for headcanon, and theorybait that the creators are explicitly aware of and regularly wink and nod at the audience over.
>>737263639ever wonder if he ever looked at porn of her?ever wonder if he found some by chance or searched willingly out of curiosity?ever wonder how much he thinks about it?ever wonder if he thinks about her having sex?ever wonder what was going through his mind when he wrote the weird route couch scene in chapter 4?ever wonder if he makes porn himself and only himself and hide it away so no one else can see?
>>737264085looks too kiddy so i didn't even bother watching it
>>737264534Because it hang on deltarune's popularity unironicallyCain has a Spamton fan VA, and Pomni could pass as a bootleg chara
>>737264725not really
>>737263807Toby is extremely gay and sometimes lame but I genuinely don't think he meant for the humans to be non-binary or for Mettaton to be trans, genuinely. It's not like he isn't blatant about his gays.>>737263951That's pretty based, I love when people draw my favorite interpretations no matter what so I can respect the hustle.
>>737264324My money's on that the festival will be the usual Hometown fare, but once you're ready to get on the Ferris Wheel, which is obviously the plot-mandated location, something will make Susie realize there's another Dark World to deal with and she'll drag Kris off accordingly.
>>737245212>general outside of /vg/bye bye
>>737264857>"I'd never find the kind of body I'm looking for, anyway.">"A form beyond my wildest fantasies. In a form like that, I could finally feel like... "myself.""If that's not a trans allegory to you idk what is
>>737264083We got a lot of good art and threads from that event so I would still say it was a net positive overall.
>>737245212>Any news on Deltarune release?This isn't official, but some madlad on xitter narrowed down a possible release window from the 11th anniversary concert. https://x.com/_waiting_room/status/2045960245449527623>The earliest UT Symphony concert date is August 23 (the events run until 2027).>It wouldn't make sense for them to put the concert dates anywhere too close to Ch5's projected release date as to not overwhelm fans or get overshadowed by Ch5.>Judging by how long it looks like the rest of the development process is going to take (based on 3 & 4's bugtesting season and accounting for development issues exclusive to 3 & 4).>Very late July to early August is looking like our precise release window for Ch5.
>>737264867This can be easily be read as a self-improvement allegory as well, especially since genderless to make is impossible irl. Tranny Mettaton unironically assumes he was a woman as a ghost because of blatant sexism.
>>737265308>Tranny Mettaton unironically assumes he was a womanIf he was genderless and transitioned to being a guy, that's still transitioning
>>737265272>anniversary date copes againHaven't you guys learnt your lesson by now during the 5 year wait?
>>737264864That does make sense, thematically is a very important spot and physically it makes sense for them to spot a darkfountain or "a familiar shadow" from there
>>737245212this is the single most embarrassing image i've ever seen
>>737253197>but he didn't think gender autism would be this much overwhelming in the westthis nigga worked on homestuck of course he knew how riled up people get about it i know people try to cope that toby is some hidden based boy but he is very much in support of all the woke shit that /vpol/ hates
Will Kris or Dess be the final boss of Deltarune?
>>737266486Probably KrisThere is no way we aren't going to fight him
>>737266035If he was, as you said, he would simply said so or allow Fangamer to state it. There would be no moment where Fangamer employees would misgender Kris on stream. So the idea that he's a woke gender enthusiast is a complete bogus.
>>737265464That applies to all the ghost, so it's just a species things. I doubt every ghost is a tranny.
>>737265308Lmao I meant to reply to >>737265148
Yurirune would be the best outcome and also cause the most seething so its really a no-brainer
>>737245212>Used to laugh at the very idea of Berdly x Kris>After chapter 4 dropped it has killed any interest I have for Susuie or Ralsei>Very unironically thinking about writting a Berdly x Male kris fanficwhat has happened to me
>>737264324>>737264864>>737265850Personally I always thought the festival would be interrupted since we learned about it on 2, but now I believe it even harder after 3 and 4. Asgore or someone else will interrupt it and cuck our heroes.>>737266486Neither, it's Noelle.
>>737266943i believe in utenarune as it not only would explain why toby removed the rose (it made it too obvious), but because it also mean that noelle knight is real
>>737266974berdly is only into gamer girls though
>>737266943It would only cause seething amongst HMOFAfags here and Pronoun obsessed people on Twitter.
>>737264085The festival is pretty much impossible to satisfy everyone because shipping is a zero sum game, someone can only be happy if someone else isn't.Suselle is the ship most likely to win, which means the mainstream fandom will be happy while /v/ will be broken. Any other pairing will invert this reaction to varying degrees.One way to piss off everyone is if the festival doesn't settle down any couples or straight up unconfirms all of them, which is also a realistic option.The only way to please everyone is to let our choices matter and pick the pairings we prefer, which is absolutely never happening.
>>737267379Thats 90% of the fanbase
>>737266943you hate suselle be cause you hate hmofa nerds. i hate suselle because it dampens both characters' motivations and bogs down the plot. we are not the same. plus I'm pretty sure Susie wants to be friends with everyone so the yuritards are more at risk
>>737266974You became gay.
>>737268375It's funny how genuinely good Toby is at accidentally writing unhealthy yuri relationships based on the way he talked about Alphyne for UT's 10th, and NO ONE on his team or among his friends and associates is telling him because they're all into that shit.
>>737264534It's autismcore, same as UT/DR.
>>737265272This is super copium. I doubt the people behind the concert even know the dates or that Toby would care to not release it while it was happening. Plus didn't Toby say he wasn't involved in the concert during the spic controversy?
>>737268687i still think his wording with 'shy girl' is strange noelle is a lot of things, but i don't think i would describe her as shyperhaps i'm merely coping
>>737269132She has trouble speaking up against Alphys of all people, fucking Berdly too. I would consider her shy.
>>737252615>DinoGoated>GoatDino'd>DoeHuman'd
>>737268687the worst part is that if Noelle could lay out specifically why she likes the person who bullied her former best friend, didn't see Susie as an object, and didn't play down her friendship with Kris (which also pissed off Susie) this yurislop wouldn't be so off putting
>>737264651Toby absolutely knows about porn, he created the undertail tag all the way back when Undertale first came out. I genuinely think lewd interpretations of his characters made his change his view on some of them.>>737266943I don't like yuri that much or at all, but Toby doing Krusielle polycube with canon FemKris would be the ultimate monkeypaw for this entire fandom and that's pretty funny.
>>737269132>Krusie is canon >But so is FemKrisUltimate monkeypaw that would cause more seething than Suselle.
>>737269673surely things would turn out ok in the long run
>>737264294There's no real cope date, but I would say a july or june release is the biggest optimistic cope we have right now.
>>737269132he says shy but he probably means weak willed, both for noelle and alphys
>>737267124I usually prefer straight rapekino Kriselle but I can't lie that goomy's Kriselle is very good too.
>>737269132I think him sayin "MAYBE for some shy girl" is more important, because:1. It's possible he's talking about Kris if players see him as female2. He speak about Noelle as a possibility if the player wants it to beIf he just made a connection he wouldn't say "maybe" becuase it's too vague.
>>737268375But people that hate HMOFAchuds are Suselletroons. They've always been mortal enemies.
>>737267379That's most of the fandom, sadly. Although if Kris is still kept as they/them then only the HMOFAchuds would seethe.
>>737267590>Suselle is the ship most likely to win, which means the mainstream fandom will be happyFrom the art outputnah, if tobby doesn't allow freedom in that choice, people in general are going to complain
>>737271092>if tobby doesn't allow freedom in that choice, people in general are going to complainToby is not gonna let you pick who Kris is going to fuck, sorry, it's just not that kind of game. Closest you're gonna get is the fucked up shit of the weird route, which is not gonna end well.
>>737267118For the interruption to be fine the pair in the ferris wheel needs to be at almost confessing or something that does give security in the pathIf not it will fall flat
>>737271303Everyone is shipping and with the choices everyone feels like they have some sort of say on this, true kris's very arc is that he doesn't actually follows what we tell him to do, but as a game mechanic, being given the choices, they have to end in something
>>737268687Toby just seems to write unhealthy relationships in general. Maybe he likes that Suselle is a weird ship where Noelle is projecting Dess into Susie, he literally had her play Dess's guitar after all.
>>737271431100% the game is going to call you out on playing matchmaker with the characters the question is if how upset will they be if they find out (you) were manipulating them
>>737271581i think the thing that annoys people is that toby seemingly can write really good friendships with romantic undertones, but completely drops the ball when trying to make them romantic outright its why there's the idea that suselle sucks on purpose, because he can and does write susie and noelle really well whenever the two are not in the same room together
>>737271373My theory is that in the normal route Carol or Asgore will interrupt whatever Suselle date there is, and in the weird route it's going to be our weird and fucked up date that gets interrupted before we do something truly fucked up.
>>737271303>>737271431Toby is clearly making fun of dating choices in RPGS. Undertale mocks this concept several times with all of Frisk's dates in Undertale, which is why I don't expect the festival to end well.
>>737271624The game does have scenes where you can say who you will take to the festival, so he has to have some payoff to them at the very least.
>>737271624my fear is that Toby is going to backend all the consequences or rewards for what (you) do like he did in undertale. like at the end of the weird route only then will everyone be pissed off at us aside from Kris who already hates us. Or for the normal route at the very end is when we'll get our butts patted for being good soulses
>>737272443I really don't get how Toby is both this massive weeb but also seems to hate so many staples of otaku culture this hard.He made fun of romantic VN cliches again on the 10th anniversary, why is he soi fixated in beating this horse over and over again?
>>737273029that's also a concern, especially since the game already seems to have all the payoffs backloaded
>>737273029I don't particularly think Toby backended anything in genocide. The moment you exit the ruins the game is completely changed and everyone is already evacuating. But I do see the point about the weird route, so far what we did is kept a secret. I feel like everyone will know about you're genocides after Chapter 5 because we need to kill everyone in Hometown according to Mantle.
>>737271710My favorite ships in this series are relationships that Toby didn't intend as being romantic but the two characters are so deeply connected to one another that it feels like the perfect pair. Toby being a weeb and shitposter makes his romantic writing weaker as he just tries to imitate the typical shonen romance.
>>737273153Is it possible that he doesn't mock these tropes out of seething at their very concept?
>>737273153I think it's for the same reason he subverts the common RPG tropes in all his games, he just genuinely likes doing it for some reason.
>>737251809OPs about WAITing always attract people, they are very effective. But yes, we have no clue when it's actually coming out>>737260632She has a beauty you can't understand.
>>737273858He likes RPGs so he wants to examine their tropes in more depth. That's why he doesn't follow them rigidly.
>>737274428I assume it's the same with anime. Toby likes them but he probably finds the tropes silly so he mocks them. Probably stuff like "why does every person has to love the protagonist romantically" that makes him want to subvert it.
>>737274541He likes anime and enjoys the tropes, he just wants to explore the tropes and their consequences rather than enforcing them like a set of rules.
>>737273584>>737274541toby engine at it's finestI just can't conceive he doesn't has at least a little bit of scorn for those tropes with how often he beats them
>>737274734Yeah, that's what I said. He probably just want to play around with dating sim tropes than doing the traditional thing of letting us date our waifus.
reminder that YOU are a sadistic psycopath if you did Snowgrave route
>>737275191stop!you're making the doe wet...
>>737275148I think at worst Toby finds the dating tropes in anime silly, maybe he's the type of weeb that dislikes the average harem anime. But I don't particularly think he hates all weeb tropes, you can make fun of something without having seething hatred of it
>>737275191But i CAN'T do snowgrave routeBecause the route is not complete yet!!!Tobby go back to work!
>>737275383>all weeb tropeswell to be fair, he does rely on power of friendship quite often, and the titan fight was the most jrpg thing ever, but he made fun of dating sims for the 5th time so far
>>737245212idk but I just wanted to say I was not expecting to get so attached the the goat as I am now that I got to actually play the new chapters (only visited the threads and finished the first chapter)I always thought I would grow more attached to Susie or Noelle.>>737275191She's a good girl, but Kris needs to learn to not fuck with me.
>>737275814For how long have you been posting on this threads without playing 2-4?
>>737271092The truthpill is that Toby doesn't care about ship popularity, just what he and his team personally likes which is Suselle.>>737275191Yes, I know I'm based.
>>737276047>Toby doesn't care>Red rose removedOh he cares about what people say, and a lot, he tries so hard to pretend he wasn't there when something fails like the OFF ost or in this case to reach a somewhat middle ground with that scene
>>737275873Years, mostly lurking.Funny how that works, I kind of don't care about Noelle now, I take her and her family as a package deal, Susie is cool tomboy dino gf but I think of her as a younger, more punk like version of Undyne.I think I like Ralsei so much because he's a stand in for the interactions I'd wish I had with Undertale Asriel, even when they're different characters with different motivations, their fates still in debate if they'll end up being similar(can't go back to what they used to be or disappear forever)
>>737245212>DanDaDan referenceWhich one is cucking Kriskarun?
>>737275528He's not above mocking power of friendship as well, like having Flowey laugh at you when all the monsters protect Frisk because it was part of his plan. Honestly Chapter 4 in general was probably when he mostly played his weeb tropes straight with Gerson and the Titan. Although when did he mock dating sims in the stream again?>>737276378Are you gay by any chance? Because it's really hard to find a goatfag that isn't gay for them. But yeah, I like Asriel and Ralsei too although I see them as completely different people. I still want to actually hang out with Deltarune Asriel.
>>737276452Noelle, obviously, because Suselle will happen.
>>737276196>he tries so hard to pretend he wasn't there when something failstoby's abandoning the YIIK devs is something that will never be allowed to be memoryholed
>>737268687yeah i think the biggest problem with Susie+Noelle is that Noelle just kind of seems to like a person she never talked to before for no big reason, meanwhile we're seeing Kris and Susie develop a mutual friendship that if it was in real life would prob develop into an actual relationshipit makes it seem forced
>>737276717I'm gay for fat deer butt.It's just that the idea of someone as him ceasing to exist erodes me.If I were gay for him, I would have nutted buckets to him already, but I'm not really sexually attracted to him, I just think he's lovely.Does that make sense?Oh no.I think I want a little brother.
>>737277080or even Kris+Noelle with the whole childhood friendship that vanished and now is being rekindled and will help them both get through shared trauma or whateverhe manages to write good relationship dynamics for everyone but the actual couple
>>737275191then Noelle and (you) are perfect for each other. you're a psycho and she's a sado-masochist
>>737277095>gay for deerWoman alert???But unironically based, I wish there were less gay goatbros since I do unironically like them as just good bros
>>737275191ok i posted it cause i got recommended a video of some tumblr fag basically saying this and i find it funny what do yall think about those type of queers that like to make shit like this a lot more than it needs to be?
>>737256920Bro, in his first interaction with Kris he says to pass the message to Asriel. Burgerpants only talks to Kris as Asriel's little bro/sis.
>>737276452Noelle is Aira. Susie is Momo.
>>737277383I worded that like ass, I meant to say>shoots the shit about his attempts at scoring with chicks with Kris as if he were one of the guys, which he is.
>>737254858Toriel doesn't give a shit about Kris having a sleepover with a teenage girl. She never even considers the fact Kris could be dating Susie, and is instead only worried about Susie being a bad influence. Hmmm.
>>737277335ow man, I just remembered Asriel, excuse me, Flowery is still a thing.I am sad now...He would not make us go through the same pain twice, now would he?We will reach the other side with our friends...
>>737276196I meant more so that he doesn't care about ship popularity in specific. Soriel isn't that much of a popular ship but Toby still loves to shill it, so he won't do Suselle simply because Krusie or whatever is popular. He still cares about people misinterpreting his games, though, which is why he nuked the rose.
>>737277453I understood what you're saying, and you're wrong. Burgerpants doesn't interact with Kris as "one of the guys". He interacts with Kris as a proxy for Asriel, because they are family.
>>737277356They're faggots unable to separate fiction from reality.
I member the anti-FemKris dude brought up his main complaint about FemKris theory is that it doesn't give a comprehensive breakdown of the entire story and how Kris's sex relates to the themes. The big problem with doing that is that we still have no idea what Deltarune's story is about. Like, we have some stated themes (nobody can choose who they are, there is only ever one ending, etc) but we don't know if those are real or just red herrings. We have no idea what the primary antagonists (the Knight Conspiracy Team) are even trying to achieve.
>>737275383>I think at worst Toby finds the dating tropes in anime silly, maybe he's the type of weeb that dislikes the average harem anime.Whether he knows it or not he still manages to play into all of the stupid tropes
>>737277495Luckily for you, the alarm clock dialogue shows that Flowey is canonically peacefully living with Papyrus on the surface, plus Deltarune seems to be unrelated to Undertale so I doubt he will do anything there. Deltarune Asriel just seems to be a regular guy, too, but I wonder how's he like.
>>737275383Toby is a yurifag. He hates harems because they're heterosexual. That's why he makes all his characters into lesbians.
>>737277926I don't think FemKris but literally no theory can answer all the themes of Deltarune because we know jackshit about it despite being halfway through the game.
>>737276717>when did he mock dating sims in the stream again?the new mettaton bit from there
>>737278141>>737278176Yet in the end his couples follow the same logic as them
>>737276196>Oh he cares about what people say, and a lotToby is probably way more of an attention whore than most people think, he just tries really hard to act nonchalant and isn't a retard who posts every little opinion on twitter. He spends way too much time networking with celebrities.
>>737278342They don't. Harem romance is straight, while Toby's romances are gay. That's the difference.
>>737278176Right, the Mettako stuff. I forgot about it. Since Mettaton already parodies an infamous Final Fantasy scene, I think Toby just uses it as a vehicle to parody stuff he watches, I don't think it was made with hate for high-school romance anime (and it was pretty funny)
>>737278342What satisfaction does a straight male obtain from gay woman romance?
>>737278478He finds two women kissing hot I guess. It's not an uncommon thought.
>>737278454>>737278478Noelle as a losing girl and Susie as the winning girl. Among fans this is the clear consensus.
>>737278595Noelle losing to dick, you mean.
>>737278478It's honestly less about Toby himself and more to appeal to his circle of friends and associates, the likes of Hiimdaisy/Gigidigi especially come to mind.
>>737278743Noelle being the one associated with that evil path says everything
>>737278743That was forced upon her by (you)She would still be the lovely, gay and little freaky girl next door without your intervention.
>>737278743you just need to bang the straight into her. she clearly likes it if the end of chapter 4 is anything to go by
>>737278743Susie's dick, yeah
>>737279069What if I told you it's not about being gay, it's about establishing Susie as the best? Toby wouldn't just have Noelle be gay with some other woman, with Catti. Being gay doesn't matter because in Toby's world you would have gay characters turn straight just because of how great Susie is.
>>737279228That's gay
>>737278478Is this really so hard to understand?
>>737279389They don't actually like both things equally
>>737279389I like videogames and I like movies.That does not mean I want to play cinematic experience trash or having to pick up a controller to watch a movie.
>>737279268Greatness and straightness are mutually exclusive. The only time Toby portrayed heterosexuality positively was Sans x Toriel, which he then turned toxic in Deltarune.
>>737245212just another point against this franchise and its fanbase of permanently online losers who will amount to nothing, be nothing, own nothing and always be renting and never be happy, you won't even own the right to your own mind to disagree with the current thing. HAHAHAHA.
>>737279268susie can't be the best by the simple fact that (you)'re there. she's just a puppet like the rest of the fraud squad
Look at this fag.Will he ever do anything that's cool?I mean real sakuga, out of the blue, locking tf in or however youngsters call it these days.
Men will hate a femboy who cucks them and has sex with their love interest but they will not object to fucking this femboy they hate but only as the fucker and only dominant. Now understand this in the context of yuri and what Susie and Noelle are. Noelle is that femboy.
>>737279969Great analysis save for the fact that I'd smash Susie and Noelle if I had the chance.
>>737279969femboy x tomboy and femboy x girly girl is based though
>>737279495why not?...who?>>737279531as in the food analogy, more of the same is welcome
>>737280248My point is they don't truly like Noelle and the competition element is always there. They worship Susie.
>another thread of shipwarI just want to be friends with everyone.
>>737280418my issue with suselle is that it lessens both characters into being '10s american cartoon caricature lesbiansif it didn't suck i would have less of an issue with it
>>737280313More of the same, as having two cakes.That's the thing, I want to eat the cakes, not just have them, even less so watching someone else eat them.
>>737280561Its the same as saying i don't watch porn because i'm not the one doing it, i don't like to watch sports because i'm not the one playing, etc etci mean is okay not to like something but the reason is weak
>>737280635having sex>watching pornplaying football>watching a gamewith that last one I would understand enjoying a game your kid or sibling is involved in and want to watch them win, because their success is your success.What is to be gained with yuri?I would understand if romance in general gave you this feeling of wholesomeness, but find it weird if it has to specifically be yuri for you to enjoy it.
>>737280559susie isn't an idiot. i think she wants to be friends with Noelle and toby is going to shoehorn in some lesbian BS to satisfy his fetish.
>>737279879Given Kris had their solo fight against Eram in Chapter 3, and Susie against Gerson in Chapter 4, high chance Ralsei gonna duke it out against Asgore/Flowey equivalent in Chapter 5. He already has high speed powers as he can basically zoom to wherever Kris and Susie are fooling around, can levitate, and likely has fire powers as well.
Noelle as a character is nothing and in any other scenario they would hate her. On some level the fanbase and Toby understand this at least subconsciously because they're out here drawing Susie as Momo and Kris as Okarun.
>>737280884Its a sub genre, for romance and porn, you gain the enjoyment of consuming any of those two forms of media.you can enjoy a movie, but maybe you don't like horror and just like action insteadin this case is yuri within romance, mechanically is just girls interacting making the scenes of romance more fluff or the porn more lewd, because physically you can enjoy both girls instead of thinking, oh well, cool for the bro involved, or trying to ignore him in the case of porn
>>737281334eh, fair enuff.>>737281174She's a little boring but I am going to ignore that because she's adorable.
>>737281449Those are your personal views, I'm looking at the greater context
>>737281519You mean you think you are.Yuri should only be enjoyed by lesbians.
>>737280642Toby realized the trick that female = easy-mode. That works both in fiction and in real life.
>>737276196I hate Toby Fox physically, I dislike that kind of man. He has the Chaplin disease. That particular combination of arrogance and timidity sets my teeth on edge. He is arrogant. Like all people with timid personalities, his arrogance is unlimited. Anybody who speaks quietly and shrivels up in company is unbelievably arrogant. He acts shy, but he’s not. He’s scared. He hates himself, and he loves himself, a very tense situation. It’s people like me who have to carry on and pretend to be modest.To me, it’s the most embarrassing thing in the world—a man who presents himself at his worst to get laughs, in order to free himself from his hang-ups. Everything he does with his games is therapeutic.
>>737281715I remember this pasta, is it older than I realize?
>>737281715>shy people are evilExtroverts actually believe this.
>>737281174Noelle is quite the character what are you on?Tropes she checks>Girl next door>Childhood friend>Love interest>Cute and Psycho/Corrupt the Cutie>Sad backstory>Traumatic Superpower Awakening>Broken familyAdding you:>Break the cutie>Possible vesselThere is a lot that any story can do with her, i mean is not a first, but is far from lame
>>737281613nta, he is talking about the noelle postas yuri goes, is just preferences
Why has femkris been getting more popular after ch3-4? Why have the masses started to see the light, what changed?
>>737281858doesn't help that welles himself was also a gigantic fag
>>737281832>Rules 21–24>>737282042>Kris as the girl schizo theory>People being horny for females
>>737281978The post above you describes her character pretty well.What other things does she have going for her besides liking scary things and being too nice?, Kind of makes me want to see the two bottoms run an adventure by themselves.>>737282042girls are cute.
>>737282042femkris got a surprisingly large amount of ammo in 3+4, which made people reassess the earlier chapters in this new lightthey also found that it tidily explains mystery of the second hero in a believable way without it relying solely on baseless speculation like weapon and outfit changesthe biggest flaw with the theory stems from the question: 'does toby have the balls to do this?' which is pretty impressive all things considered, especially since most theories were either based on vibes, nonexistent patterns based on coincidences, and throwing shit at the wall
>>737277259>sado-masochist>SADOthat's what furry porn artists and quirk chungus fanboys don't getit's got nothing to do with noelle being a doormat that obeys (YOU) because of her fearbonerit's that noelle grows stronger, strong enough to oppose her fears and overcome her insecurities, and maybe even (try and fail to) murder the one who made her stronger while she's at itthat's what got my kokoro a'beating, it's what no other crazy psycho bitch has managed toor maybe it's just my corruption fetish talking: it just ain't as fun to get with an evil woman if she's evil to begin with
>>737282042If you mean in the wider fandom, it hasn't. It's only popular here because FemKris theory has stood up to scrutiny has zero counterarguments.
>>737282378>FemKris theory has stood up to scrutiny has zero counterarguments.I'm kinda tired of repeating text so >(you)
>>737282340>does toby have the balls to do this?No but ill keep coping until its hard deconfirmed
>>737282418he's admitted to ripping off p4 before, i believe he would do it againalso apparently nips love this shit, which increases the odds
>>737282521Reverse trap is a hot trope once revealed she becomes a neat tomboy
>>737282416There is exactly one valid counter evidence: Kris and Asriel sharing a bedroom. That's it. Compare that to the evidence on the female Kris side and it's overwhelming. Most counterarguments aren't arguments at all, and are just headcanon. e.g., "Toby Fox would never do that!" or "Kris is non-binary, not a girl!". It's not valid.
>>737277624>Hey did your little sister tell you about how i almost scored?
>>737282370I think it'd be pretty interesting if Noelle tried to fight us at least once in a power play near the end of the weird route. Noelle's transformation to whatever will only be fun if she does not become a doormat like you said and instead just unleashed her hidden desires. her being the uwu quirky girl is fun but I totally feel you on th corruption portion. I think it'd be fun if Noelle became the player's new partner like with Chara
>unironic krisp gender debates on veedon't you have anything better to do?
>>737282810/v/ is a kris appreciator board and we want to know her better
>>737282810Anon, this is the only place in the internet where you can have this conversion. Of course it will happen here.
What is this evidence of femKris you speak of? I thought that was a meme theory like Papyrus Knight, I thought everyone knew Kris was a man.
>>737279531https://youtu.be/Rr70dLy5yKg?si=h3ZAwfzhU3vj4fvl
>>737282660even that argument is flimsy because the dreemurr house is on the smaller side, and only has two bedrooms toriel wouldn't make either of the kids sleep on the couch, and kris was forbidden from entering her room due to the chocolate stash
>>737282810Most probably doYet we choose to spend so much time here, brainrot is real
>>737279879he killed statue gerson.
Has anyone here seen that fanfic where Noelle becomes shadowcrystal pilled and ends up as a Monika and Flowey fusion personality wise? I like it a lot.
>>737282843>>737282873oh yes i am sure it got nothing to do with you being obsessed madmen that just can't let things go and so must """discuss""" every nothingburger imaginable to sate your autistic urgeslooking forward to a new chapter release where the actual new topic gets exhausted in 46 hours and then you're back to shipping wars all while pretending you have moral highground over vidya generals
>>737283020beyond the spamtom rape comic i haven't peeked, being an incomplete story it feels weird
>>737283279>spamtom rapeSpamtom raping someone, I hope? Because if I hear "poppet" muttered once again I'll crash out all Deltarune threads forever.
>>737283279No I was talking about a Youtube series.But yeah its incomplete, but I think its fair since its so good.
>>737283330google it as is plus ao3, is a fun thing made by a schizo female
>>737283225kris philosophers are divorced from the shipping discourse they can be related, but ultimately they are not
>>737248473Kris doesnt like ralsei, but thats okay because he was literally conceived of and built specifically for (ME)
>>737281947Everything about her is bad
>>737264032>retardAnon hes not wrong here since toby pretty much stated in his bluesky that there is a chance that the game might get released at the half of the year so june/july makes sense here.
>>737281858>shy people are evilYes
https://litter.catbox.moe/hchepqyxfxe102xv.mp3
>>737264085>What will be more dissapointing? Chapter 5 festival or the finale to Amazing Digital Circus?Anon almost everyone on /co/ knows that gooseworks is a hackso no one here is going to be suprised or disapointed if the ending turns to be shit.
>>737284117>one of those megalo remixesfeels very much for a party rather than a fight
>>737281832It's an orson welles quote.
>>737284541https://litter.catbox.moe/p4h2aympxfl8vfc3.mp3
>there are people in this thread right now THat genuinely believe there is no possibility of kris getting some kind of happy ending
>>737286010i'll only stop believing when the credits roll for the final time
>>737253197In Japanese it's also really easy to be vague about someone's gender when using pronouns.
>>737246349https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/EV9Zz93q1xkDy9ukXivZ6Q/Kill yourself.
>>737252897Kris is obviously male and everyone knows it including Toby
>>737282042>Why has femkris been getting more popular after ch3-4?It hasn't. You just spam it and samefag it to piss people off because you're an autistic douchebag. Not even you think it's true or would be good.
>>737245212Final step of localization is this month, so it should be ready to ship by May and out by June unless he's holding off for a Nintendo Direct announcement that may delay it by a bit or alternatively wants to do a very specific release date like Halloween o algo.
>>737287162>the latinx still insists there's only one femkris believeri hope you enjoy ICE magic, toby's going to have fun with you in ch5
>>737287338Toby is based and agrees with me actually
>>737287102AvatarGOD board, latinx schizo.
>>737287195>Final step of localization is this month, Anon Toby and his team are doing port and playtestingthe localization crap is pretty much done.
>>737287503It's latinx trannies like you that think every character in the game is a little girl
>>737287551shame mutts grannies like you exists because believing sans/papyrus/flowey are girls is morally correct.
>>737278743If you're a femplayer then she's losing to pussy (she's actually bisexual but you're turning her into a full lesbian)
>>737285449>asgore's theme + something? This messes with my head, i don't even know what to feel about it
>>737287536That's what I mean, it's mostly done but on it's final step such as making sure text lines up, lines make natural sense in context during gameplay, etc. Easy shit that's the equivalent of flipping a drawing to make sure a face lines up. Game's 100% going to be ready to go in late May at the latest, it's just a matter of when he wants to release.
>>737267118Based on toby saying almost all shops will have the same theme from chapter 5 onwards I think that the roaring is going to happen and the world ends in chapter 5. It's an FF6 twist where the rest of the game is getting as much of the gang back together as you can before unfucking things.
>>737253197>but he didn't think gender autism would be this much overwhelming in the westJFC Toby's wannabe Japanese larp has gone so far that people are legitimately convinced he's like a clueless jap developer that gets blindsided by how overseas gaijins interpret his work
>>737289026It's been like this since the Undertale days, difference is there weren't pedophile ecelebs like shayy virtue signaling "THE HUMANS ARE FUCKING NONBINARY, RESPECT THEIR PRONOUNS" back at the height of tumblr obsession and everyone was generally on the same page that the characters were open to interpretation.It was when Chapter 1 with Kris who's very clearly not as interpretable rolled in that the mindset got called into question, especially since this is when all the other types of tumblr weirdness started fading out in favor of pronouns and labels, which eventually gave a perfect opening for this new narrative.It's not even that Toby is scared of backlash if he says anything, he's just ultimate autismo about not letting anyone know anything about the humans until we're deemed "ready" for a sacred droplet of detail. And whether the humans are boys or girls 'neath the ambiguity isn't one of those details that will ever leave his brain.
>>737282801I would cum in my pants if this happened.
>>737283432Northernblight? It's abysmal dogshit because the player is some innocent chungus leftist instead of a based and rapepilled individual like myself.
>>737286010Kris will become Suselle's neutered dog who provides moral support.
>>737292465Kris rides with Susie on normal route and rides the ferris with Noelle on weird route.
>>737292528Kris is Asgore's son. He is destined to get brutally cucked.
>>737292616Toby is too Japanese to have the western RPG mentality like Owlcat or Larian where most women are either lesbian or with past boyfriends so that they cuck you in the narration,The japanese way is basically treating the MC as the Player and jerk him off and please him for buying your product. It will either have choice mechanic to make Krusie/Kriselle possible or it will be forced onto different routes.
>>737245212And just like Dandadan, Deltarune is full of NTR.
>>737292847>Toby is too JapaneseHe will never be Japanese.
>>737266943It would explain why the soul is so eager to rape the doe, even if Kris is a girl the soul is always (YOU) meaning its always a man so it would go insane seeing normal female friendships that don't involve rape, so it would obviously need to fix that. I still prefer male Kris cause it means my doelester headcanon stays intact.
>>737293002red herring pairing
>>737286010He will have a happy ending, he's just not gonna get together with Susie. The issue is you people being incapable of conceptualizing a happy ending that doesn't involve Kris somehow getting romantically involved with Susie.
>>737292465She's gonna be Suselle's sex slave.
>>737282042Female humans have always been popular in this fandom in general, but Kris was seem as male because of his appearance and the fact people love to self-insert as him. I assume that 3 and 4 making it explicit that Kris isn't (you) caused people to start seeing them as a girl more, plus there's the FemKris theory that made it more popular here, and people wanting to make Krusie and Kriselle queer that made it more popular elsewhere.
>>737287102You would just filter that image if it really bothered you, but you're a schizophrenic shitposter so you actually like seeing it and getting attention from being a schizo. Plus I know that image only bothers you because it's a human one as way more images are reposted in these threads daily.>>737287715Wow, lolitale real...
>>737296303They are too white. I want my black lolis dammit!!
>>737296334All I can give you is tanned Frisk.
>>737296648Thank you...
>>737296701Kris and Frisk are the only humans that are portrayed as black. I guess it's because they're yellow but I prefer them as asian myself.
it's amazing to think how the festival alone will break you fags harder than the whole of 3+4 broke me
>>737297654I'm not a shipfag so I actually don't care about it.
>>737297826I'm not a ship fag but I think Toby is an awful romance writer and it will be a shore to play through that portion of the game
>>737297202The only character that's portrayed as consistently black is Integrity. But asian Frisk and Kris are pretty cool too.
>>737297991I have no idea why the fandom portrays her as black. Is it really just because people headcanon her as a killer?
>>737298112Probably because the other common designs for the other souls were all white and so people felt the need to give the six souls some diversity and the soul chosen was Integrity.
>>737298213Diversity is kinda gay though. Still funny they made the one commonly headcanon into a killer to be black.
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>>737298614fag art
>>737298651
what are the odds Carol will be King 2 and get immediately defanged as a villain?
>>737298541Diversity is good when it gives me black lolis.
>>737287358Toby is based which is why he believes in female humans now, actually. That's totally a thing, believe.
>>737299363Extremely likely, Toby doesn't want pure evil villains and Carol isn't even one yet. The way she reacted to Susie was valid.>>737298651I don't like the way Carol is characterized here, she isn't a groomer unironically.
what was Toby thinking?
>>737300042[insert here a quote from his halloween hack blogspot where he says he liked making the player feel cheated out]
>>737300042He wanted to shatter the perfect view Susie and some players had of Toriel by showing she's flawed.
>>737300242Isn't it technically a different Toriel from Undertale though? All the characters are different from their UT versions I don't even see them as the same character.
>>737300242How dumb do you have to be to see Toriel in this game in a positive light? 5 seconds into ch1 it’s clear Kris is extremely mentally ill based off their room alone, not to mention the bloodstain that Toriel never sees. And then in ch2 she falls asleep while waiting for the police after seeing someone shank her car. Then in ch4 she literally doesn’t care that the police never showed up and mysteriously went missing the previous night (after calling in a person with a knife outside)
>>737300470Susie thought of Toriel as a perfect mom, Chapter 3 and 4 make that pretty clear with Susie telling her story of how Toriel helped her. That's why she bullied Kris, she was jealous he had a good mom
>>737292847Did you miss the entire discussion about the fact Toby actively parodies and mocks these japanese dating sim tropes?
>>737282378its a headcanon. it has as much going for it as it does against. its only when you start throwing in shit like "kris is THE girl" that there's anything worth yelling about
>>737281174Noelle has a lot of character, it's just that she ceases to be when hanging out with Susie to become a quirky lesbian.
