WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING?!!!!
>this sells in the west
>>737250682That they wanted the destiny 2 crowd
This kills the metroid forever
Americans cant make good games anymore because of DEI. Dread was good because it was made in Spain.
>>737250850spain is much more deid than the us
>>737250962And yet they put one decent Metroid game and one great one.Says more about Americans when a buckbroken country like Spain can make better games than them
>>7372507763D Metroid for sure. Prime was taken behind the shed and fucking shot.2D Metroid looks to be fine. If they actually bother with a memorable soundtrack next time, it will be one of the greats, though I doubt they can come up with a villain as cool and formidable as Raven Beak. We'll have to lower our expectations on that front.
>>737250962Mercurysteam has a 2.0/5 for "diversity and inclusion" at glassdoor, Retro has a 3.6.
>>737250682Win?
>>737250682They wanted the FFXIV Wuk Lamat fans.
>>7372512083D metroid should've stayed dead after the embarrassment that was prime 3. i won't mourn the passing of a puppeteered corpse.
>>737250682>lets make a Prime gameand then they did
>>737250682Tanabe is OBSESSED with Marvel and cape shit. He loves the GF and thinks they need to be at the front of the story of Metroid. Which is hilarious, because people wanted Sylux to expose the incompetence of the GF and to destroy them. Then it turned out he was just a butthurt GF after he didn't get the glory he wanted and Samus had to clean up his mess.
The 3D Metroid series is definitely dead now. It cost a fuckload to make and will be outsold 5 to 1 by Tomodachi life.
>>737250682I just moved shit... with my freaking mind
>>737251513>5 to 1 by Tomodachi lifeyou underestimates homodachi life
kids love pointless babble
>>737250682This is how gay and retarded Japanese think western gamers are.
>>737251784They're not wrong.
>>737251450Conceptually you could do cool shit with the GF. But Tanabe is a fucking retard so it had to be lame.
I think it's weird when people try to blame design problems, like the shitty characters or the linear level design. If it was just bad design there would have still been fun to be had with it, it would just hold it back from being great. This game is just fucking bad. They could have designed it in any way and it would have still been bad, because it's a poorly made product. The problem is not a designer or a writer, it's the entire studio. Retro right now is not capable of making a good game. Nintendo is better off shutting them down and opening a new studio somewhere else, like Japan or Korea or Europe or something.
I always wondered just how much of whatever the first version of Prime 4 was, survived into release. Even Retro said some of the stuff in 4 was a bad idea, but they couldn't delay it further.
>>7372506826 7
The worldbuilding in metroid fucking sucjs, these games were better when it was just samus exploring some aliens planet and that's it.No other humans, just in the lore background.
>Dread is great everywhere but the soundtrack>Beyond is awful everywhere but the soundtrackGrab the fucking composer and put him in charge for the next MercurySteam Metrois. Guaranteed gold.
>>737252008Why are you acting like Dread didn't just happen? Dread is basically just super again but the game looks 3D.
>>737250682I give it a 9/10, it's not perfect but it was pretty good. I would rather play Prime 4 than Prime 3.
>>737251975mechanically the game could have survived but the motherfucker in the OP made all the flaws stand out.
>>737250682Why cant nintendo make their own games anymore. Nintendo hasn't made a metroid themselves since zero mission. For the last 20 years or so they've had other companies make games they used to make themselves, f zero, yoshi, starfox,etc. Even mario kart is now co developed by Bandai namco. What went wrong.
>>737250682>we want to kill the shitch 2 as quickly as possible
>>737252113It seems like the composers were the only Japanese people who worked on Prime 4 so it makes sense that the music was the only good part.
>>737250682Tanabe thought everyone wanted to hear the story of a ragtag group of space marines instead of just giving people what they want and making Samus "Boba Fett, but a hot woman"
>>737252232Didnt he retire after prime 4?
>hourly NDS thread
>>737252179Nintendo has literally always been like this. They only make their biggest most important games, everything else has always been licensed out. Even some Zelda games were made by Capcom.
>>737252159Myles is the least of the game's problems, lol
>>737252268crying about PCchads won't salvage Prime 4's terrible sales
>>737252260Yeah because this is the most expensive game Nintendo ever made and it is a critical and financial failure. For the price it cost they could have made a new Mario AND a new Zelda and probably had some left over for small Tomodachi/Rhythm Heaven type games. He's only 60, you don't retire at 60 in Japan after decades of success, he was told to retire because his decisions cost Nintendo money.
>>737252268If you want to ban every other major platform, shouldn't there just be a Nintendo board?
>>737252268I love Nintendo and was hyped for Prime 4 for years. It sucks. It's a bad game, and I'm not going to defend a bad game.
>>737252340He is but at the same time all the other flaws would be more bearable or ignored, this game would be a less shitty MP3 but as it is is just annoying.
Tanabe can't design for shit, everything he touches turns into trash.
>>737252413You're delusional
>>737252351>Prime 4's terrible sales>when it sold millions and quickly became the best selling game in the Prime seriesTry again, PCsnoy.
Why don't indiefags start making "prime-likes" in the same way that indiefags are carrying the 2D "metroidvania" subgenre? Nintendo obviously doesn't give a shit, why won't they step up?
>>737250682My problem is with the ending. The villain is out of nowhere, you only get context on why he's the villain from 100%ing the game which requires clearing out all the green crystals in the desert, and it's a shitty downer ending.
>>737252568FUCKING CITATION NEEDED.I can assure you that even MP remastered sold better than this game.
>>737250682Is that Scott the Woz?
>>737250682Consultants love foreskin helmets. Regardless of whether that means that they retract, dissolve into magical dust or have a transparent full face visor, they just really love them because they have that [human element]. Coincidentally consultants don't have that [human element], because they are empathy impaired and just feel more secure when they can use their con-artist training to engage in behavioral mirroring.It's the clearest sign that you are in for a truly mediocre experience.>>7372512082D Metroid is still being steered by morons that can't compete with a Metroid fangame, but at least they're not this bad.>>737251109Dread is decent, Samus returns is just superfluous and also a remake so it barely counts.The dual analog controls on a 2D platformer are just retarded.>>737251513>It cost a fuckload to makeThat's just because they were too stupid to just cancel multiple projects with no promise.Prime 1 and Prime 2 were great and were in development for just 2 years even if the development was soul-sucking crunch. With Prime 3 and Prime 4 they evidently started swallowing bullshit excuses like open world and consequently they're also much worse. This is the consequence of promoting Japanese idiots beyond the areas where they can do visible damage on their own, they just rubberstamp the decisions of other retards.>>737251924You can't.>>737252159You can mute voices and turn off subtitles and it still doesn't save this game.>>737252232It's far too deep in the asshole of "Default consultant selected team composition", including a robot character that is more human than any of the other cardboard cutouts.
>>737252413I agree he was forced out but I don't think it was because of Prime 4. Nintendo got a new president in 2018 so I think it's normal he starts to replace all the management positions with people who fill his vision. Tanabe was an Iwata guy, and all the Iwata guys are leaving or getting sidelined.
>>737252743>Tanabe was an Iwata guylooking at his record is more like he was tard-waggled by Iwata.
Reminder: Metroid helped kill off (in the west) an underpowered console with no games
>>737252821Something broke in his brain around 2010 or so, like he suddenly forgot how to make good games. Must have been a midlife crisis or something
>>737250682I just destroyed Metroid so...win?
>>737252275Really which Zelda games were those?
>>737253104are you this fucking new?the only non-Capcom Zelda from the gameboy era was LA.
>>737252268https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/roYUrohTBXK-tRqZmFvwLg/
>>737252915Pokopia is going to stay $70 as long as it sells.
>>737253368Yeah that's Nintendo's breakout hit it gets every five years or so, not lowering in price ever
Quick question - are nintenbros more bummed out about self insert incel chud NPC or the fact that in order to have an OST in that game you have to buy a separate plastic figurine?
>>737253543Both are retarded but buying a toy for a basic feature should have ended with Skylanders in 2013
It's genuinely depressing just thinking about MP4. Almost 2 fucking DECADES of waiting for this game. TWO DECADES and this is what we get?Prime 1, 2, less so 3 but Prime 1 and 2 were such influential games for me when I was a teenager, the atmosphere, the music, the feeling of isolation, the science fiction elements, the level design, even the backtracking, they were just important games to me. To see MP4 just be forgotten and mediocre is a travesty, and the harm it has done to the Metroid franchise in general.Will we even see another 2D / 3D Metroid now? Surely Nintendo won't completely abandon the IP right? Dread was actually pretty great, I'd love to see a follow up to it, that's the only hope for Metroid now, unless they do a remake of 2 and 3 like they did Prime 1 I guess, but even then with the failure of Prime 4 there's much less incentive for them to do it.
>>737253714There’s a rumor Nintendo is remaking Super Metroid. If that does well, they’ll continue making 2D games. If it doesn’t, the Metroid franchise goes on ice.
>>737253917>Super Metroid with Dread's controller schemekino if you ask me.
>>737252523Annoying is the only flaw, and it's hardly the first game to be annoying neither.
>>737252617NTA, it didn't, Prime 2 sold a million, Other M sold a million, Prime remaster sold a million, and Prime 4 sold a million, this franchise just has no pull at all. Has to be the same individuals who buy each one, sad to think about.
The worst thing to me is how they apparently set it up so Sylux is the main big villain of the next trilogy of games and he is not only a shit boring character but also is linked to the Federation losers.
>>737250682He just really wanted to be in a video game.
>>7372537143D metroid is dead, that's not even a question. but i see no reason for them to pull the plug on 2D metroid, dread was well-received and sold good numbers. would be shocked if we didn't get another one.
>>737253917Fusion or Super remake, we can only dream I guess. Rumors are just rumors just like the OoT remake rumor. It just amazes me how Nintendo just sits on all these old games that people would clamor to have a remaster of, though obviously with older games a remaster is pretty much a full blown remake and more expensive.
>>737250850Is it actually that good? Samus Returns sucked.
>>737250682uhh...meow?
>>737253543the OST is the only thing they nailed perfectly
>>737254062my argument wasn't that this series sells gangbusters (which clearly doesn't) my point was asking for a citation of MP4's sales which so far we only have estimates.
>>737254161Look at what's happening with Hollywood and tell me that isn't the best to just vault some things.
>>737250850This is a white man, how is it DEI?
>Man, Jar Jar Binks was great!
>>737254202Your point? each of these games sold the same. Prime 3 might as well be tortanic.
>>737252268no silksong can stay for hornet's curves
>>737254281he's mentally disabled, they needed retard representation.
>>737254302My point is that he's claiming that MP4 sold Millions when there's no evidence of it, and if there's evidence where is it?
>>737254281>(((white)))
>>737250682On board people younger than 35 who may not think to bomb every tile in the game to find secrets
>>737252268I have yet to see a palworld thread this yearsilksong rarely have threads as well'tism level?
>>737250850>>737251109Why is this discord tranny reddit spacing
>>737251208nah metroid dread is shit, this is coming from a person who is a veteran to understanding how metroidvania games work. Embarrassing feat for a game that defined a genre compared to many successful indie titles. Not to mentioned the amount of handholdings linear pathfinding. Yikes
>>737254409If being autistic and unlikeable makes you Jewish then this site is Israel
>>737254638And you'd be Satanyahu if he wasn't dead.
Japs are like 10 years behind culturally to the west It's why Suda 51 thought that stuffing NMH3 with "Antiracism" shit and Marvel references would go over really well because that's what was popular 15 years ago with westoids
>>737254130He really does look like him.
>>737250682This what happens when you hire 343 devs that killed Halo
>>737250682He's literally Jewish A Jew killed Metroid Also the writers are sjws who think Samus is a TroonWoke slop Nintendo has fallen
>>737250850DEI is basically Ursula Von Der Leyen's concept.
>>737254937They should have delivered something like a cross between Combat Evolved & Infinite, but as a Metroid game.
>>737253917Super could be a perfect product in every sense, but I can guarantee you that veterans would be fucking seething because they'd remove the floaty SNES low gravity physics for the fast and snappy physics that has been the standard since Fusion.You know it's the truth. You also know you'd be one of them.
>>737255046Which she got from the Talmud. She explicitly says that in a speech.
Prime 4 has so many bizarre things that make it suck ass. Why even have the desert or bike? Why have the random BotW shrines scattered everywhere? Why can't samus just get upgrades and has to visit an NPC to activate them? Why, despite being a metroidvania, is the level design extremely linear? Why are there only like 2 enemy designs which are reused everywhere?
>>737255096I don't think the Talmud says anything about diversity of all races. But yeah obviously Jews have been pushing it so they can shit up globalized countries while populating themselves as an ethnostate.
metrod cant be scary because that scares modern audience away
>>737255046You are retarded. The UN, EU, Open Society, WEF, neoliberalism, and postmodernism still has contributed more good to the world than bad and writing them off for some bad takes is socially irresponsible. Yes I believe this unironically, and you all have no rational counterargument anyways, so stay mad.
>>737255406Neoliberalism is cancerous and it will bite us in the ass majorly.
>>737250682Lots of corporate shitmill companies employ lots of useless people that are trusted to work on meaningless crap without actually degrading the product. Sometimes they get uppity and actually degrade the product.
fake fans
>>737250682
>Whoa! How could they release a FLOP as an exclusive?Everything they're doing now is simply a drop in the bucket.
>>737250682https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyHG8EfcA5c
>>737251208Prime blew its load with 1 the same way Dark Souls did. Innerconnected worlds stop being impressive after the first time.
>>737250682Hey, snoy, if you don't stop being anti-semitic towards Myles MacKenzie, I will add him to my Mii island today.
>>737250682they wanted to appeal to the modern audience
>>737259230Prime 2 is the better game, secondary-kun.
>>737255406kek
>>737259036I don't think you understand how simple things work.
>>737250682Endgame made 3 billion dollars while this game just started development. They thought Marvel writing and characters were the future of entertainment, and by the time it was obvious it was a fad, it was too late to pivot. Games taking nearly a decade of development for anything is killing the industry. It also explains why Concord-likes are STILL coming out.
>>737250682Yapp squad was bad but the true crime was the fact that the levels were fucking corridors and the dogshit desert. It was the antithesis of metroid.
>>737253917>Super remake after all the shit they added in the II remakeOh boy this is going to be awful.
>>737250682I accidentally sent them my life story and it inspired them. At least we finally have better multiplayer than Prime DS, right? Uh, guys? No?
>>737260314Sounds about right. This is basically what the dev team said about the shitty pseudo open world design in MP4 in that interview after the game came out, but I can believe it extends to the writing as well.
I’m pretty forgiving of most shit taste opinions but I think anyone who likes this game enough to defend it on the internet should be dragged into the street and publicly raped to death.
>>737250682>Uhh six seven fr fr no cap bix nood mofugga.
>>737255406You are insane.
>>737254149Metroid, Sonic, and Final Fantasy are all franchises that could benefit from being 2D only from now on.
>>737261497you first fake fan tourist
Why is this game so hated by people that never played it?
>>737263865no one who likes this series likes MP4 unironically, dumb tendie fag.
>>737261497entirely reasonable
>>737250850>SpainYou mean that country that gave 500,000 African migrants full citizenship?
>>737250682Remember, even Nintendo thought the NPCs were a mistakeThey hid their existence until the game would release in less than a month
>>737263985Its better than 3
>>737263952I 100%'d it, it's shit.
>>737263952Got 100% items and scans on my first and only playthrough because doing so is an obligation for every Metroid I’ve ever played, which is all of them. The game peaks at Ice Belt which is roughly in par with Skytown’s xenoresearch lab, which is nothing special. After that it’s largely nothing but shitty escort missions with NPC fakeout ‘heroic sacrifices’. You see 95% of every area the first visit. There is no enemy variety and the upgrades are largely just “classic ability but purple.” The only unique ability, the guided beam, is literally just the beetle from skyward sword. The entire endgame is light backtracking for upgrades, grinding for green meth, and collecting the parts for the mecha that explodes not even a minute into its debut. I don’t even need to get into the shitty NPC’s and retarded bike shit and giant empty desert because they speak for themselves. Basically, you’re not just wrong, you’re also a stupid fucking faggot. I’m glad this game flopped, you must be so embarrassed shilling it post-mortem.
>>737264298we used to kill people for speaking less severe falsehoods.
>>737264348No lies detected. After Ice Belt I realized the game wasn’t actually building to anything and was just a handful of disconnected setpieces held together by the laziest hub world I’ve ever seen. Jak 3 did it better like 20 years ago. This game is dogshit.
>>737255406No, my god no. The "good" they do is simply a means to an end of control. They believe that humans are too stupid ultimately to do anything but destroy the world around them. They are, unfortunately, correct. However, that does not give them wholesale authority to decide how we move into the future. Becoming an authoritarian dictator in all but name because you are too scared that a genocidal one will form in the coming years and that people must be FORCED into becoming a net good for the planet by any means necessary, even to the detriment of our living conditions is absolutely retarded. Especially when 99% of these fuckers are rich beyond their means and refuse to share. I am almost certain that they will trigger a nuclear war to wipe out large population centers because that will be what they feel is "best" for humanity and that they can just pick up the pieces afterwards of a more easily brainwashed population.
>>737250682They weren'tNext question
>>737263985keep telling yourself that fake fan
>>737264348That about sums it up, I liked the art direction and soundtrack but it nosedives after the ice belt.
>>737265153the word of a retarded tendie is worthless
>>737250682Tried to make a character that relates to their largest consumer-base.
>>737252627No...but he did acknowledge the annoying retard looks like him.
>>737254281He's played by a Jew but presented as a beta male White for the sole purpose of being the group's punching bag. They're all pretty rude to him. All the characters were diverse faggottry.
>>737251208>3D Metroid for sure.Please, 3D Metroid survived Other M which is far worse than Beyond could ever hope to be.
>>737250682I remember that someone bought out a character from some official Metroid comic saying that he was a better companion for Samus than this thing. It was a bounty hunter guy that was a little quirky but could actually stand his ground and fight, he was basically Aquaman from Batman the brave and bold.
>>737250682why was this memory holed on release when nintendies still pretend mario kart world and donk kong are 11/10 masterpieces?
>>737265323ok fake fan
>>737251975Retro was forced to use Namco's attempt and salvage it as best they could.
>>737251975Wouldn't have been better to just cancel the whole thing? Sega had the SANITY to kill off Hyenas despite all the money spent already.
>>737250682this just tells me that to them even Metroid needs to be destroyed to appeal to literal retards. nothing is sacred within Nintendo, which is a shame because they have such an amazing legacy
>>737265757Metroidfags have higher standards than your average tendie rat, but only barely. It’s why you see only the most shameless brand trannies go to bat for this trash, Metroidfags are many things but they are not a part of the Nintendo brand warrior zeitgeist that swarms shitter and plebbit and /v/ to defend their latest Fischer-Price slop from the evil snoys or whatever.
>>737258490Woke began far earlier than we thought.
>>737265767Trying way too hard.
Care to apologize?
>>737266160No, Prime 4 being bad doesn't make other M less bad.
>>737266010I wanted to say this was bullshit but after thinking on it, it’s clear that other m and federation force being as panned as they were forced nintendo to course correct. why dont other tendies care as much about their games?>>737266160>new game being bad makes old bad game suddenly goodwrong, dipshit
>>737265939this is why I hate modern Nintendo, all they did was pass on the cost of developing this turd to us. yes any other decent dev would have started over but not these niggers
>>737251975Tanabe outright said in an interview that Nintendo had Retro build from Namco's version. It's the same design as the release game, but finished by a different developer.A lot of the posts ITT are bugging me because reading all of the post-release interviews, it's clear that Nintendo knew the game wasn't up to snuff years ago, but also could not just kill the project due to monetary investment. They had to get in and rebuild Retro studios' development pipeline and get it into a functioning state from 2018 onward, but also explicitly WERE NOT willing to let Retro build the game from scratch, tossing out all of Namco's work and ideas. And while it's not confirmed, I also suspect that Retro wasn't able, possibly because of time constraints, to actively work on parts of the game that could have sorely used improvement like the desert. And Tanabe also said a lot of the corridor level design was deliberate because of a desire to cater to people unfamiliar with the franchise. Here are some articles worth readinghttps://gonintendo.com/contents/56832-metroid-prime-4-beyond-s-producer-offers-an-extremely-deep-dive-into-the-game-shttps://nintendoeverything.com/metroid-prime-4-difficulty-interview/https://shinesparkers.net/features/metroid-prime-4-nintendo-dream-interview/The game isn't great, but I really don't think Nintendo is going to shutter Retro or stop making Metroid Prime. The development was a disaster they likely don't want to repeat, but it's clear from an outsider perspective, some of it could have been avoided if time and money weren't such big of factors (or weren't so wasted in the first place).
>>737266182>>737266232It's not the worst anymore though
>>737266170>nintendo starts making deals with Hollywood>suddenly blacks and multicultural propaganda everywhere in their gamesWhat a weird coincidence.
>>737266340>Caring about reviews from "professional critics".>Caring about reviews at all.
>>737266340Okay? Other M is still trash.
>>737266276The same could be say about Sony with Concord and now Fair Games.
>>737266170Nintendo memoryholed DragXDrive so fucking fast.
>>737253714this is how I feel about dread, waited two decades to see what would come out of her disobeying orders and going rogue. nothing. the dev even said she absorbed herself at the end so she's back to normal but then the fucking suit needs to heal for whatever reason? the main villain is retarded and is somehow involved everywhere in the franchise and then has a literal star wars "I am your father! Join me and we'll rule the galaxy moment. plot sucked, the Metroid suit is retarded, the game plays and looks like a shit indie game. I'd rather have the series die than get another dread and prime 4
>>737250682They made a modern game with a Metroid skin, not a Metroid game.Also the emphasis on story and lore (especially anything involving the federation) is what killed Metroid in the first place. It's not about a random bounty hunter exploring an alien planet anymore it's about generic sci-fi dogshit that's filled with the grim reaper of video games: realism.
You may not have realized it but what Metroid really needed was a mystical Native American man who sits in the corner and makes a mortal and pestle.
>>737259036No, retard, it's more like>Quirky character in quirky game:)>Quirky character in non quirky series):<
>>737266802>Also the emphasis on story and lore (especially anything involving the federation) is what killed Metroid in the first placehow can you say this when Metroid 2 exists? Metroid has probably the most direct continuity of any nintendo franchise since day 1?
>>737266160Other M's raping of Samus' character and removal of most of the gameplay was far less bad than Beyond's entire existence.
>>737266398Tendies care about reviews when they're sucking off the games they like so they have to care about this kind of shit tooIt's all or nothing, they're all true or wrong
>>737266647We still tantruming about it being a rogue faction and not trhe entirety of the Galactic Federation to justify a game where we make humanity extinct to make them pay for what they did to Samus?
>>737266802what pisses me off about the federation is they could be so much more interesting but it’s just “Michael Bay’s US Military in Space” and it’s boring and retarded. where are the cool alien marines that serve with the federation? where’s the weird melting pot civilian culture? there’s nothing cool about them. the feds have always felt like a ripoff of halo’s unsc and you better believe normies have noticed that too.
>>737266889At least Other M have us the hottest version of the Zero Suit. Beyond pulled a bait and switch by making the varia suit look hot but then quickly replacing it with a pretty generic more masculine design.
Vous croyez que je bluffe? J'ai ajouté Yasuke à mon île Mii, et Myles MacKenzie est le prochain.
>>737267039>where's the melting pot?post nose
>>737267039The Galactic Federation should never have been anything more than a footnote in the game manual. It’s fine when they’re a field of corpses leaving behind cool lore scans. It’s not cool when they’re turning the game into fucking Starship Troopers. Tanabe getting axed is the best thing to happen to Metroid.
>>737250682It's like he was intentionally designed to be a meme
But on the other hand, nobody's ever gonna bitch to Retro about making Prime 5.So... Win?
>>737265451Wouldn't it be better to make some cool as fuck cyborg or alien hybrid then? The biggest consumer base of Metroid are likely people that like Samus, Ridley, Metroids and Raven Beak
>>737267084fucking retarded gooner
>>737251357It's insane watching Dawntrail kill all the momentum XIV built up over years. Shadowbringer and Endwalker caused a bottle neck so bad players had to wait hours to get in.
The only way Retro can redeem themselves it to remaster Prime 2 and 3 and keep their shitty DEI writers far away from this series.
>>737252268>"PLEASE stop talking about video games, you killed a perfectly good Twitter thread for this."
>>737267708>remaster Prime 2PLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAASE. Nintendo should have abandoned Beyond and had Retro remaster Echoes and Corruption, that would have made up for the money wasted on Beyond's development.
>>737259036BECAUSEHE'SFUCKINGUGLY
>>737258490it was fine when the humor was just optional logs that only autistic people read, it is different when its mandatory part of the game with full cinematics and voice acting
>>737267708>retro's writersthe only person with writing credits on Metroid Prime 4 who was not a contractor was Tanabe.Everyone else, Megan Fausti included, was only hired on temporarily. Retro has no in-house writers or anyone building a narrative.
>>737267894unskipable cutscenes mind you.
>>737250682It's literally one shitty line and then he's fine, kill yourself
>>737250682I was willing to forgive MP4 for having awful story and characters but unfortunately the rest of the game was shit too.
>>737267947Whoever decided to put a bunch of brown people and an obnoxious Jew in the game should be fired.
He's the least annoying character in the group. I tapped out when I got to the girl from Ratatouille that fawns over her black daddy CO.
>>737267398I like Corruption but I’m inclined to agree. It felt cool seeing Phazon escalate into a full-blown interstellar crisis and pulling the federation into it. And aside from the intro and one endgame sequence they’re barely in the game anyway. The problem is that instead of doing something cool or interesting as a followup they just… kept reusing the federation focus, without ever doing anything worthwhile with them. I am so fucking sick of the feds lmao. I could live my whole life never seeing them be the focus of another Metroid game.
>Beyond takes place between Super and Fusion>the main part of the game also takes place in a completely different separate dimension so it wouldn't affect the Metroid timelineLooks like we're never seeing Sylux again and any new games won't be mentioning him or the events of Beyond.
>>737268170>beyond is a complete nothingburger that offers nothing of narrative significance to the series and can be ignored like other m is due to not being fun to play on its own merits either Probably for the best.
>>737268170>Looks like we're never seeing Sylux againGood. Trying to turn some random character made for a multiplayer game for a handheld into a main antagonist was a dumb idea. He doesn't even look cool, he's just a very generic 20 year old sci-fi design.
>>737250682erm... so that just happened.
>>737252701>The dual analog controls on a 2D platformer are just retarded.Unfortunately new generations literally cannot fathom using the dpad for movement anymore.
>>737268381They should have made Weavel the rival, he's a goddamned Space Pirate with a very personal reason to despise Samus.
>>737266397cohencidence
Is it true Kensuke Tanabe threw out Sylux’s 20-year-old backstory? I’ve seen it mentioned but I cannot find confirmation. Considering how retarded Sylux ended up being, I wouldn’t be surprised.
>>737250682It's impressive how they turned the Yellow paint these modern third rate devs add everywhere so retards know where to go into a fucking character...
>>737254573>this is coming from a person who is a veteran to understanding how metroidvania games work
>>737250682It makes sense when you look at Metroid Prime 1 as a successful accident.Metroid Prime 2Introduces ammo for main weapons for some reasonMetroid Prime 3Removes exploration They aren't a good dev, they just struck lucky gold with MP1
>>7372708272 is better than 1 thoughever
>>737253964it's dead on arrival if they won't let you wall jump on the same wall or combine beams
>retards pretending like metroid is dead again even though every metroid game goes through controversy
>>737264348How does it compare to 3?
>>737250682https://youtu.be/IA9L7rLvXQA
>>737258490how is a soldier's log about how he doesn't believe samus could possibly be real on par with having a gay jewish baffoon follow you everywhere with his oy veying and oy gevalting
>>737252743>Tanabe was an Iwata guy No he wasn't, he started leading under yamauchi
>>737251924No you can't, because that would require good character writing which nintendo can't do. Metroid's story is at its best with prime 1/2 and the non-GF parts of prime 3 when it focuses on the world(s) instead
>>737270827>for some reasonTo create tension through resource management. I liked that they didn't completely overshadow the power beam btw.
>>737271245Dread really didn't get much controversy. It's mostly loved even here, aside from that one retard who constantly kvetches about muh QTEs or whatever.
>>737273014Dread's "controversy" was its price being compared to Hollow knight I think that Dread is better than HK but that's the extend of it.
>>737273117Yeah, that's fair. But Ninty gonna ninty.
>>7372730145 hours long with padding at $60, it's why normies didn't buy it
>>737273324>5 hours long with padding at $60But enough about Super Metroid,
>>737265757>>737266010Mario Kart got heavily criticized for the intermissions at least so I'll give mariofags some credit. Though the fact they gave up on bitching about the insane price is disappointing
metroid has always been nerdshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86Z4bwdxn_Y&t=45s
>>737272801I get you just wanted to REE, but the guy said "conceptually."
>>737250682They were thinking that people will find the game a little too eerie and scary so they added him in for comic relief. That makes the game more welcoming for all players not just try hard gamers. Kinda like how Wheatley made Portal 2 so awesome and hecking funny instead of being a creepy game that would scare folks.He's the Wheatley of Metroid.
>>737274237But people LOVE Wheatley, he unironically have fangirls.
I miss Prime 3 and Hunters. I know people dislike the latter, but it's those games with fellow Bounty Hunters that feel the galaxy is so big.I loved how their abilities can be similar and foils to Samus.
>>737273336No way a normalfag can finish super in 5 hours, it's not railroaded like dread. Super also isn't $60 now
>>737274568>I know people dislike the latterHunters was generally liked, only a tard would judge it based on its single player
I really don't get why they felt the need to add charactersMetroid Prime found a perfect way in a metroid game to tell a story, scans just fit the series so well, why not stick to thathonestly the only NPC that was remotely tolerable in any of the Prime games was U-Mos, and only because he 1) stayed in his own separate area at all times and 2) he at least had some dignity to himJust make the world inherently interesting to explore, don't rely on NPC crutches
>>737274674The speedruns are both under 1 hour.>normalfagsWho gives a shit?
>>737274735The general gamer doesn't speed run>who gives a shit?This was in response to the other anon's "no controversy" post.
>>737274718I meant former sorry. I haven't seen anyone dislike Hunters at all. I see a lot of people dislike 3.I understand though. Once a while there is a game with such differences from previous entries I dislike in others series.
>>737274794Prime 3 is also generally liked, just (rightfully) considered worse than 1/2
>>737274793When you're talking about Metroid completion times, you're talking about speedruns. No one gives a shit about how long it takes you to scan every square inch of the map for collectibles.
>>737250682>woman can't do anything without a man pointing outbased?
>>737274835Wait really? I always got an impression it wasn't that much. Well godo then.
>>737274729Muh haloLiterally the whole reason.
>>737250682Weak white guy in media is a needed trope. Every other movie has the strong woman kicking a white male while he's unarmed and helpless on the ground
>>737274849most people don't bother speedrunning
>>737274940Most people don't make a point about Metroid completion times.
>>737250682Doom and Halo had a quirk chungus mission assistant, so Metroid should too
>>737250682The monkey paw is that I always wished for the Galactic Federation to be more related to Metroid because I wanted to see more of how marines could fare compared to Samus in the same battleground. Sometimes akin to Star Wars Battlefront showing struggles of troopers compared to Force users.I never wished for... this
>>737275006here you go bro
>>737274912that's true for MP3, but by the time 4 came out Halo had been a joke for ages and trying to make metroid into halo always felt supremely stupid, they're barely even the same genre, metroid has more in common with friggin dead space than it does halo
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>>737275057So you see, I actually...You know what I can't judge. Back then I was too peeved to play this but I'll take what I can get and check it out.
>>737275006Having a squad of federation troopers try to deal with a full grown metroid would be interesting if they went full horror with itThey don't have cold based weapons because why would they, so they get picked off one by one, you can shoot the metroid but that just slows it down, you can try to lock it out put all the locks are magnetic and it drains electricity, and you're trying to survive while desperately searching for the one experimental cold based weapon on the space station occasionally finding refuge in cooled areas like frozen specimen storagesmeanwhile power failures due to the loose metroid(s) cause all kinds of other things to escape as welljust go full space horror on this
>>737250962lol, lmao even.
I wonder how Tabata will move the series forward, if Nintendo decides to continue with Prime 5. Hopefully she's not as stubborn as Tanabe
>>737250682>no one dieswhat's the point
>>737254573>this is coming from a person who is a veteran to understanding how metroidvania games workthis has to be bait
>>737275290>Prime 5lol... hahahahahaha..... loooooolllllll
>>737275168I'm doing my part informing people, unlike you
>>737275351You're a kike lmao.
>>737251208>Implying Nintendo sees a difference between 2d and 3d MetroidThis is the saddest cope. It's all the same Metroid to them.
>watching a let's player play echoes>he comments that he's never liked 2D games and especially can't wrap his head around 2D metroids
>>737252268this isn't the first image you've mindlessly spammed and it won't be the last, I'm sure you'll find some new slop to completely fixate upon
>>737252268KYS you faggot disney adult.
>>737251109Americans also made the other Metroid Prime games.
>>737277616Americans from 25 years ago aren't the same Americans as today.
>>737277616Yeah, fuck that ragebaiter. Retro made two good games, and MercurySpain made one.
>3d metroid is deadAnd other takes by the clinically retarded
>>737250682A writer self-inserted as Samus' boyfriend.
I wonder how the Dread haters reacted when it won a Game Award.
I still found it fun, but its the weakest of all 4.Its a game that rightfully should have been kino but it was just ok
>>737278167is that Lady Dimitrescu?
>>737266160NoEven as weak as prime 4 is, its still better than other M
>>737278814yes
>>737268595It's what I hated most about it.
>>737267653As someone who played on release of ARR, early access HW, waited for StB to fix itself (it did), early access ShB, early access EW. I'm d i s g u s t e d by Dawntrail on release. I mean the zones looked underwhelming, the soundtrack was the worst, NO fun tracks with lyrics, except for the "Smile" one with weird chorus. StB story was redeemable because you had moments where it was just you and Hien or Yugiri, and tons of fun in the Steppes.Dawntrail? It seemed as if the majority was dogshit and you couldn't escape the dogshit character Wuk. I saw that post-MSQ raids started getting back into the usual vibe of XIV, but this is probably the first time I want to waste money on a story skip, so.
>>737250682>"Gamers said they wanted less black women and more white males in their games"And look where it got them
>>737260314marvel writing works in comic book properties where you have write off things that make comic books silly. the reason that everything post end game has failed is not because of the writing (what they say), its because the characters and writers are god awful and have no idea how to write (make a female character likeable without making them a man without a dick)if they had people say superhero fatigue, I say look at end game and look at miss marvel, the movie that people only went to see because it was 'required' for end game. I can go back and watch iron man, captain america, really anything up through phase 2 and its pretty ok at worst to a fun way to time travel at best, I cant watch anything post end game and find enjoyment in it.much like videogame's, if you play modern shit you think you outgrew games, up till that one game hits that is everything you wanted in a game, you realize its not you that's changed its the people who make it are just that fucking bad. tldr the writing style works when you are making a an absurd story but forced to take it seriously
>>737274402But Portal 2 is a vaginal game for people that watch Pixar movies, friends and the US Office. That's not the audience for Metroid games.
I warned you.
>>737266160I know this is a shitpost and idgaf about Other M vs. Prime 4 but honestly, at least Nintendo tried something different here with 3D Metroid but it obviously failed in execution. It's 2026 now and 3D Metroid hasn't evolved beyond MP1 from 2002 (the best selling Prime btw at 2.8M, no other Prime has come close), whereas Mario and Zelda have kept evolving, even if some games didn't resonate as much with certain fans or were divisive. Even DK is doing great in 3D with Bananza now whereas 3D Metroid feels stagnant and aimless.Prime 1 and Prime Remastered were great but I think 3D Metroid needs to leave Prime behind, drop the "Prime" name entirely, and reconsider a TPS perspective without a pants-on-head stupid plot and character assassination.
>>737254573wow, mr. metroidvania himself, in the flesh...
>warn people incessantly about marvel capeshit infecting the medium>get ignored>it ruins Prime 4>shocked pikachu face.png
>>737280720Perspective change won't fix metroid, metroid's problem (both prime and 2D) was stepping away from a core focus on exploration. Both series have devolved post super and prime 1/2 to an immense degree while other series took over.
>>737251357>>737267653>tfw switching to this shit because Turtle wow diedHopefully they course correct by the time I catch up desu
>>7372713823 is a lot better in just about every way, obviously 3 isn't on par with 1 and 2 and it really is 2 > 1 >>3 >>> 4
>>737255083Speak for yourself, the physics changes are the main reason I consider ZM better than Super, a Super remake with those physics would be amazing.
>>737260314>it was a fada trendlasted way too long to be a fad
>>737280987They know they fucked up, they've gone to previously unprecedented lengths to cover the faults of Dawntrail, going as far as to re-record voice-lines of a major character during current content, something that they usually would have done only years later in a minor patch, because the playerbase kept mocking it.
>>737250682Prime 4's problems are the bland corridor level design, wasted main villain, terrible enemy variety and the desertthe npc's are barely a blip in that
