>try to pick up and learn a complicated RTS game >some asshole youtuber decides to pick your match and humiliate you in front of thousands of people
>pickup dead boomer hobby>why won't they conform to my zoomer sensibilitiesfiltered
>>737257964They litterally have nothing else to do, their community is all the same thing
>>737259440Why did RTS die?
>>737257964I don't know how you can get entertainment out of bad RTS gameplay. at least with low ranked yu-gi-oh you can see some absolutely hilarious plays.
>>737259594examples?
>>737260160There are a lot of mediocre to decent cards that require the opponent to play into them for them to activate. At a high level nobody plays the card because they are unreliable. but on the flip side nobody plays around the cards because nobody plays them. Things like witches strike, magic cylinder, neko mane king, etc. Not to mention left field extra deck plays. or obscure cards interacting in unexpected ways.
>>737257964You learn more from failure than success, this guy might be shitting on you but you'll probably become a better player by understanding what you're doing wrong.
>>737260816This is only true if you can correct what you're doing wrong. Doesn't matter for shit if you can identify it if you can't break the habit.
>>737259526same reason fighting games are not popular. Skill issue + no teammates to blame
>>737257964Artosis did this recently for Broodwar and he was being pretty supportive about it the whole time, exactly because it comes across as an asshole thing to do by default if you're actually laughing at them.
>>737261614Poorly communicating what you're supposed to do to play the game effectively is a game issue.
>ewwww, why is he building [these units]>everyone knows you build [those units]fraud genre
>>737263864It's pretty simple: build up your forces and defeat the enemy. The issue is the autistic level of optimisation that goes into achieving that goal.
>>737267364That communicates absolutely nothing about how to play an RTS effectively.
>>737267686It communicates the concept.
>>737266605>reee he's being mean to me>oh, now I know more about effective unit compositions Pick one. You chose poorly.
>>737257964>scam new players into a playing a niche map with niche factions>drag game out for several hours since there's no way to progress>win because the opponent doesn't have time to continue>que new game>repeat 5 times a day for 10+ years with 50% win rate against shittersit's on them if people make videos of their griefing
>>737267686take your mouse, a mouse is a pointing device that is connected to your PC, if your mouse is not connected to your PC no reason to panic, it might be a wireless mouse, unless it doesn't work and isn't connected to your PC, then you should panic. You're being very dumb.
>>737257964>Try to pick up and learn a complicated RTS game>Some casters low elo uncle kicks your ass
>>737268695>drag game out of several hoursthe ultimate wincon. longest game was 14 hours and my opponent was present for every second of it
>>737266605It is usually the lack of upgrades on units that is more consequential at low elo, or they just try and build everything at once
>>737261614Chess is still popular despite having skill issue and no teammates to blame. Fighting games are just shit. They're boring, the gameplay is uninteresting, they have no appeal and the genre will never get bigger than it already is. The worst fighting game players are fat 40 year old neckbeards that have spent their life playing fighting games in arcades. Fighting games were a product of their time and should've been abandoned along with arcades. It's nostolgia slop.
>>737268724Nah, I'm right. RTS are terrible at teaching people how to play them.
>>737257964If anything it motivates new players to continue playing when they see that it's not just pros who play the game.
>>737269236Real question, do you think chess would be popular if it was first invented in the 90s?I go back and forth on it. I think it is at least very possible that if chess had the same kind of start as fighting games and RTS it would be no more popular than them today.
>>737257964Didn’t that faggot lose once and throw a huge hissy fit like a literal child?
Most of these games the players aren't playing exceptionally bad, it's just they always fucking randomly go AFK for 5 minutes in the middle of the game and get raped afterwards.
>>737269914It's funny when they go literally afk for 10 minutes and their opponent is too busy staring at their own army doing nothing they don't even notice
>>737269236Chess has sportsmanship and no bm
>>737269914What makes these people play AOE2 out of all the possible RTS games? Like the game is already really fucking hard to navigate, do they get sexual satisfaction to do everything so very wrong?
>why isn't our favorite game getting more new players?>new player joins>LOL LOOK AT THIS NEW PLAYER MISPLAYING LOW ELO>new player quitsone week later>why isn't our favorite game getting more new players?you'd think RTS players would understand cause and effect
>>737257964Laugh and learn, retard. We were all there once.
>>737270215And showing only the top 1% players playing like robots is going to motivate people to continue playing how?
>>737270261yes those are the only two options and nothing else existsgold starwell done
>>737259594there are lots of crazy strategies in low elo AOE2, what are you on about
the LeL series actually is what made me buy the game and try ranked despite having 0 RTS experienceyou can stop pretending to be offended you don't even fucking own the game
sure it does buddy
competitive gmaes in general is a crabs in a bucket competition filled with some of the least talented people you could imagine, trying to pretend theyre good at something other than wasting time. no exceptions to this.
>worlds best aoe2 player can't win a single match of wc3It's offical, aoe2 is babbys rts
>>737263864The communication is playing the campaign>boot up a game with 200 hours of solo content>jump straight into multiplayer>"this sucks, there's no tutorial"Retard
There is a tutorialAoE2 even teaches you to lure boars and shit
>>737270575WC3 is a completely differnet type of RTS than AoE/WC2/SC/C&C. It's also shit gameplay wise. It's like saying a pro Quake player not being good at Overwatch means they're shit.
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>>737270196The age old question of why they play ranked though.Why not just play against bots and pause it while you go do something?
>>737269236>Chess is still popular despite having skill issue and no teammates to blame.>no teammates to blame.
>>737259594comparing it yugioh is cheating because low ranked players are the only ones actually playing something that looks like a tcg instead of a bizarre version of poker where the game is largely decided by a coin flip unless the losing player draws a specific set of cards.
>>737257964If you message him, he would probably be supportive and watch more of your games providing you with free coaching
>>737270575Wc3 has random memorization shit shit for maps and creep camps.
>>737269236Chess is just a meme so old its permanent.Like reading books.They pretend it makes them interesting and intelligent, but most just want to ride along that superstition.
>RTS ghouls and fighting game ghouls optimize all of the fun out of their respective genres>Act like fags to prospective new players that recognize the immediate problems with said genresMaybe don't play genres that got creamed by MOBA garbage or revolve around the mechanic of disconnecting the other player's controller.You're going to reply to this post "You lost a game against another player and got mad"
>>737272517What are the immediate problems?
>>737270575>wc3>"rts"Just go play honest mobas or custom maps, the main game is a joke.
>>737272620Resource acquisition means RTS games get decided long before any player interaction happensFighting games as mentioned as a central mechanic revolve around disabling the controls of the other player.They're both shit for multiplayer because the core mechanics of both immediately run contrary to interacting with your opponent.This can be mitigated by playing with friends who know not to act like faggots, but this is considerably difficult for fighting game fags and rts fags.
>>737272860aoe2 is like the only rts where you create 100 workers before any army, it's not something innate to the genre
i hope they buff handcannoneers
>>737259526for every normieslop 250M$ TPP action game from Sony, 20 indie RTS games come out on a regular basis.Keep playing Bin Bing Wahoos and don't speak about things you have no clue about.
>>737272860Read this then think again.https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/334920/view/518611248440410918
>>737274407>Building turrets and zerg rushing is a magical category outside of having resources because bepisYou're a fool
>>737274615Read.
if you're shit low elo videos should be encouraging because it means there are people who are even more shit to get matched against and you don't have to play against pros who have been playing the game for the last 20 years.
>>737274997None of that addresses what the anon said. All the article says is that sometimes players will gain a resource lead early, sometimes midgame and sometimes late game.
>>737276382>Resource acquisition means RTS games get decided long before any player interaction happensRead the article. Player interaction occurs early and player interaction decides whether the resource acquisition is successful. You do not have an RTS brain so you wouldn't really understand.
>>737270575yeah Warcraft 3 mogs the absolute shit out of aoe 2
>>737270261it's really crazy to me how you just actively go out of your way to be as insufferable as possible and then wonder why every person on the planet who isn't in your bubble finds you annoyingenjoy your shitty 2view videos mocking lowbies i guess, i keep forgetting that's literally all you have. if you decide to self harm make sure you post your suicide note in the thread though it'd be a great moodbooster for the thread
>>737259526When the biggest RTS on the market lets you spawn units for free you know the genre is dead and Developers have no clue what they do.
>>737276608>Player interaction occurs early and player interaction decides whether the resource acquisition is successful.>Zerg rush and I auto win before you can even do anything >He turtled but I turtled harder so I auto win Wow very interactive
>>737257964>>try to pick up and learn a complicated RTS game>go for multiplayerAre you retarded?RTS is a single player genre, like RPGs.
>>737278432>open with raiders to get intel on what the opponent is doing to avoid blind cheese counter strats or to punish an overly greedy expansionIt's not that hard. You do not understand the fundementals of RTS if you think building units and using them is considered a zerg rush. That's just playing the game. Both people start with raiders, get in skirmishes and kill expansion at the start of the game. The results are unpredictable and highly depend on player interactions.>he turtled but I turtled harder so I auto winIf you have any reading comprehension you would've understood the person that turtles harder is more likely to lose because they are missing out on economic investment. The person that didn't turtle as hard can easily see their opponent is turtling, decide not to engage in the turtle and have an economic investment instead. Unnecessary turtling is more of an auto lose. Tricking the player into turtling more than they need to is an offensive play you can do. Your lack of reading comprehension and inability to understand RTS despite being a shitter in these threads implies you do not have enough IQ to enjoy RTS.
>>737279174>to punish an overly greedy expansionSo zerg rush yes? Even in the shitty dead game you posted matches can be won in like the first 10 minutes if you spam enough of the fire raider units.>If you have any reading comprehension you would've understood the person that turtles harder is more likely to lose because they are missing out on economic investment. Both econ and defense are turtle strategies you pseud. Econ is turtling harder because you spend more time to gain the best options which outperforms normal defense turtling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhHfiAy0bWk
>>737276631no it doesn'tAoE 2 is still alive and still getting expansions to this day, all while also being older than Warcraft 3.
RTS genre is best enjoyed in casual big team games and not 1v1 slop
>>737280230Not really a zerg rush. It is just normal usage of an army if the opponent isn't contesting anything. What actually happens in normal games is both people fighting each other with their army because they don't do retarded strategies like overly greedy expansion. A zerg rush would be a commander boosted factory at the start of the game with 100% metal income on it, which is rarely done.>turtleTurtling is being completely defensive. Pure economy isn't turtling. If you don't want to get raped play a tower defense game instead. I don't think you've ever gone beyond midladder trash, if you ever played an RTS anyways. It's a good thing garbage like you are dying out. Now we just need you to stop infesting these threads and to lurk more.
>>737269236my schizo theory is there's some chess shill bankrolling the recent popularity in mainstream
>>737270445AoE is a pretty friendly community all things considered.
>>737280997Warcraft 3 custom games were always fun and even 4vs4 AoE 2 but who has time for 2-3 hour maps.
>>737270612Kek it’s not just 200 hours, but also a tutorial for complete noobs to RTS in the William Wallace campaign, as well as the Art of War campaign once you’re done with that which teaches you to be faster and more resource efficient. Play these two and some of the campaigns to get a hang of the civs and then give multiplayer.>but nyooo, I need my dopamein NOW!>>737280230Retards like you should probably try “econ turtle” against someone who’s doing a committed rush and knows what they are doing.>>737280710This board has a fetish for thinking RTS games are dead.
>>737270575I mean Warcraft 3 works completely differently than all other RTS of that era.>HP of buildings is so high that attacking the enemy base is a complete waste of time>tower rushes were so brutal in WC3, because this of course also applied to enemy buildings in your base, that they had to give towers non-building armor>HP of units is so high that it's a complete waste of time to fight like in other RTS, the units just don't die>because of the brutal tax system, you often see players just walk around with very small armies>so even in the late game you don't have proper battles like other RTS, but just this dance to stun, surround or slow vulnerable units in the enemy army to get XP for your heroes>all these esoteric ways to creep for XP and gold on the map, which took years to develop like Nightelves hunting with a single archer and one of their slowly moving buildings>the Undead faction is highly discouraged from making Necromancers and creating a skeleton army, because this effectively just feeds XP to the enemyWarcraft 3 is so unusual, it's really not fair to make that comparison.
>>737257964I always found the aoe2 community (post-revival) to be weirdly dickish. They're dismissive about every other AOE game and have this weird superiority complex to them.
>>737257964T90 seems like a pretty chill dude, as far as I've seen he never shits on the low elo players in his commentary videos.
>>737281464It's not AoE2's fault that it's the best "Age of" game.
>>737271959What a sad and uneducated way of viewing the world.
>>737281046>It's a good thing garbage like you are dying out.You morons are the ones dying out lol. Zero new games and a playerbase that hasn't grown in decades. Have fun with your zero interaction rps garbage Mr. Pseud
>>737281127Except aoe2
>want to modify an existing special random map script>copying the .rms and .scx file with the name of the map into the custom random map script directory and running it causes the game to crashanyone know what I'm doing wrong here? the crash log window gives no useful information at all
>>737281490That's AOM but aoe2 fags are stuck in their ways.
>>737281346>Retards like you should probably try “econ turtle” against someone who’s doing a committed rush and knows what they are doing.>Post you replied to literally mentions that rushing is effectiveDamn I know you fags have no players to interact with so you have to interact with people on 4chan but can you at the very least read before posting?
>>737257964>Not taking this as a sign to get better>not using this as a way to climb your way to the topYou should use those emotions to fuel your drive to strive to be better.
>>737257964>Lowko starcraft2 bronze league (Viewer games)>Show unorthodox playstyle>Positive comment>Grubby warcraft3 bronze league>Show unorthodox playstyle>Positive comment and even want to try it out
>>737260816That's not how league players work. They only know how to play teamfights and win games if they crushed their lane opponent so no matter what the state of the game is, if they're not massively up they just want to try another laning phase rather than play it out and learn anything.
>>737280710The only reason why WC3 died is because Blizzard went out of their way to kill it with reforged, the game was still very active, arguably as active or more than AoE2 before it started getting attention from M$ again.I should know, I still played the game semi-regularly and had no troubles with finding matches, even during downtime. The largest problem the game had before Reforged was that it was overrun by russians and that custom lobbies were a complete quality diceroll that was almost completely dominated by different versions of DOTA, footman wars and a slew of zombie/vampire survival maps with a few random TD or Castle wars maps.Then again, the game isn't really "dead" by any means, it's just barely playable now that the remaining player base has shrunk and that reforged is still a glitchy almost unplayable mess multiplayer wise even 5 years after its release.
>>737271958I remember not bothering with multiplayer in WC3 because of that.
>>737259526Now a days they quickly become "solved" games that harshly punish you for "playing it wrong"
>>737281464Let me see.>AoEThe direct ancestor and the only one with much more common ground mechanically But it has a lot of fundamental balance problems you can tell the devs tried to amend with the sequel. Regardless, it remains Vietnam's equivalent of SC1, and no amount of actual improvements from Return of Rome will make them move.>AoMBest known for the campaign than competitive, but even The Titans was skub in that area, and the Chinese xpack outright DECIMATED the initial re-release before a do-over in Retold. Which plays better, but is also give & take everywhere else.>AoE IIIWas planned to be a spin-off originally, the technology it uses descends from one, and it plays like one. Didn't really lean into historical campaigns until later, got less from later DLCs than II. What did you expect?>AoE OnlineUsed to have some P2W bullshit, but truthfully most probably haven't given this one a shot even with private server projects alleviating it.>AoE IVRetreads the medieval period thematically, the civilizations are even more divergent in how they play, the campaigns follow a very different approach, and initially made by the same studio who fucked up Dawn of War III. This one is really down to skub as it does have an actual following, however divided.Being said, AoE II DLCs are discernibly declining in quality, scraping the barrel with Three Chinkdoms and Last Chieftans, probably because some guys at Forgotten Empires are butthurt about canceling AoE III DLC. Capture Age is however, as the zoomers would say - 'cooking' with the Chronicles ones.
>>737269236Fighting games died when arcade died. Online will never, ever be good, and can never be remotely close to what arcades done for fighting games.
>>737259526got distilled into MOBAs
>>737284984AoMR has zero 'take.' It's the very definition of a perfect remaster.
>>737285197AIsir...
>>737285228If you have no idea what you're talking about, it's better to keep quiet.
>>737285314Demakeanon, pot, kettle.
>>737281815You know, an offer of status really only works if people value your community, or there's shit people can get out of it.This shit's why nobody gives a shit about speedrunning despite how violently it's shilled on people.
>>737285197The voice acting, however trying to go for foreign VA to sound more authentic in a way, isn't really as fun and hammy, they did bring back Arkantos's VA but then it just sticks out when his son Kastor is still Greek as ever. The god portraits may or may not being AI is another, which I'll give to those complaining because the originals have in some cases even outright became some of the most popular modern depictions of a few deities.For the rest of the graphics, it doesn't look as mobile-tier as AoE IV does. As for the actual game, it's an improvement with making the mythical elements much more relevant.
>>737285197Are you fucking kidding me? Lots of stuff from the original is missing. They replaced the voices with dogshit VA. Half the cinematics don't work properly anymore, because of the widescreen changes, water graphics, and changed unit movement.I'd say the online is better, but it isn't perfect by any means.
At least you didn't fall for this
>tfw ywn marry T90
I have 249 hours in this game and I have only ever played campaigns. I learned a lot of history shit from it that I never cared about. Obviously not from the game itself since it's not entirely accurate but it motivated me to look it up
>that one player who runs the exact same build order in every game no matter what and refuses to have women villagers work the farms.
>>737288438>Legend of Dark Elf>tfw I can name all the legends from a simple descriptionHoly shit I've been watching T90 almost daily for 10 whole fucking years.
>>737285964KEK
>>737285964kek
>>737285964Was this before or after he cheated playing multiple accounts in a tournament?
>>737257964reminds me of this video I had in my feed yesterdayElden rind MP game, youtuber tries to kill all bosses in a row with a team of randosDude is a lvl 100 unemployed and already shit talking the people he is matched with before the game has even startedthen tells his stream how bad this or that play is only to get angry at his teammates for not reading his mind
If you actually have watched any of these videos they're all in good fun and never shitting on the players for being low skillTo me it's more of a showcase that the game HAS low skill players to begin with, RTS is usually known for being hard to get into and this disproves the whole "you need high apm etc etc to play ranked"
>>737284984AoE3 is really good. It's not just iteration of 2 but it was very fun to play in MP. Shame about campaingns tough.
>>737270575Wc3 is barely even an rts. It's an extremely strange game and more about game knowledge and less about strategy.
>>737288438Could be me but I refuse to place female vills onto mining.
>>737259526No SP and metafaggotry in MP.
>>737285964I love those stupid ass gambits that actually work
>>737257964I unironically learned how to play multiplayer using this seriesI still haven't worked up the courage to get ranked
>>737280997I can feel the metal poisoning in your blood from this post
>>737259526No one makes kino singleplayer campaigns anymore, every RTS is on that MPnigger grind like OP.
>>737295423Where do you zoomers come from? AoE2 is THE history game.
>>737295423Disingenuous bullshit, AoE2 gets lots of singleplayer only dlc campaigns people unanimously likeThen you have games like DORF on the horizon which is singleplayer focused and a lot of other small indie titles for your fill of campaign solo gameplay.>>737280997>>737293901I don't get you retards who fail to realize one of the pros of old RTS games is that you can play them in many ways. Big teams, 1v1, modded, co-op, or alone and still have fun.The devs built them with all of these factors in mind because back then games had to be as content filled as humanly possible to sell instead of using the crutch of skinnerbox design principles. AoE2 and other pro RTS communities were grown organically because the games were that fucking good.
You mean a parasocialite, who makes a living casting a videogame, parasitizes third-parties for "content"? Nah, that's impossible, parasocialites are bastions of moral integrity, work ethics and ingenuity.
>>737259526It does multiple things at once but each one of those niches has split off into its own genre, taking that part of the playerbase with it
>>737259526Skill floor too highCasual gamers all play citybuilders or wallow in the shitter ranks in league/dota.
>>737270612RTS campaigns put you up against dumb as fuck AIs that are instantly defeated when you do some meme mechanic like bringing a special unit to a location or destroying a specific building. They barely even attack you, you are free to bunker up, build a massive army and turtle and the AI will just stand there drooling while it keeps sending units into the meatgrinder until it runs out of resources (assuming it doesn't have infinity resources).Try turtling in multiplayer and you'll get your shit kicked in by harassing scouts before you even have access to half your tech tree.Oh and god forbid you stopped producing workers for a picosecond. Game's lost on the spot.RTS campaign and RTS multiplayer are effectively two different games. But you would know this if you actually played them.
>>737270612Singleplayer does not tutorialize you on how to play the game, because it is either too easy or too hard. It's basically impossible to find a middle ground for this.
>>737257964Youtubers and streamers do a better job at killing dying multiplayer games than devs do
why would anyone care what some 45 year old man who can't give up his baby blanket game from 1999 thinksi can't think of a human being more pathetic
>>737270612Name literally one game that does this. No campaign prepares you for early game rushes because the AI always starts with a fully built base. An intelligent human who can micro a scout and a pair of early military or archers to keep your economy in the back foot is 5000 times more dangerous than a campaign AI with a fully built base that attack-moves a handful of units at your main HQ.
>>737259526Because they rejected supcom for not having unit voicelines.
They aren't being made fun of. If anything this encourages newbies to keep playing and get better.
>>737296623I'm a decent player in both RTS and fighting games. The tutorial IS the single player modes, no matter how you look at it. I don't care if "they're effectively two different games" that's completely irrelevant. You learn the ropes by playing the single player mode either way. How else are you going to do it?In fighting games, beating the arcade mode on max difficulty is a challenge in itself for a newcomer. Once the newcomer beats it, it knows all of the moves their character does; they have a good idea of their combos, a good idea of defense and offense, what is unsafe on block and what is not. They have a good idea of what the other characters they don't play can throw at them.Going into multiplayer afterwards, they all have the tools they need to learn. They might end up in bronze/silver after their placement games, but then it's smooth sailing for ranking up. Multiplayer fixes their bad habits, like spamming Hadouken over and over because the AI can't block. It's not "a completely different game", just adaptation.RTS is exactly the same. After beating Legacy of the Void on max difficulty, the newcomer has a damn good idea of how to play Protoss. Sure, in multiplayer the units are different. Sure, there are new situations that are exclusive to multiplayer. But they know all the unit counters, they know how to defend, they know how important probing is, they know that more stuff beats less stuff. They have all the tools they need to rank up, they will end up in Bronze or Silver with people of the same knowledge as them, and then gradually refine their skills. That's just how it goes.>Try turtling in multiplayer and you'll get your shit kicked in by harassing scouts before you even have access to half your tech tree.Oh and god forbid you stopped producing workers for a picosecond. Game's lost on the spot.
>>737298096 cont.You're talking high ELO. There's a reason youtubers review low ELO games, it's because the players in there just got out of the campaign. There are no scouts, there is no harassment, nothing of the sort; and youtubers make them learn how to do it. Multiplayer and singleplayer are completely different games at high ELO, not at low ELO.>>737297003>the campaign doesn't prepare for this specific situationNo it doesn't. So what? It's a good tutorial. A player who played the campaign will learn how to prepare against rushes better than someone who jumps straight in multiplayer, and they will learn faster too. The campaign is always "throw the player in a shit situation, let them figure out how to get out".>Wings of Liberty - The Devil's PlaygroundThis mission forbids turtling. Lava keeps rising where you used to be, everything you build gets destroyed in time. A player who turtles all the time will have a shit time on this mission, but will have learned how to adapt after they finally complete it. Campaign players have an adaptation skill that multiplayer players don't haveRelated since when does 4chan have a shit character limit?
>>737298096>>737298141Good effortposts anon. Shame nobody else read it, many such cases in these threads.
>>737259526Stressful gameplay.
I still don't get why fog of war is still a thing. All it does is let players punk each other out with shit. Chess doesn't have fog of war, you gonna tell me it's a bad strategy game?
>>737257964T90 is always pretty respectful of the low elo players in those games.
>>737301005Chess is turn based
RTS games should be single player games with a puzzle like campaign, like advance wars.Multiplayer is retarded. WC3 campaign was peak.
>>737257964Eh. I get it. Basically every major RTS content creator has done something similar to this at some point. Some of them are making fun of them. Some of them are trying to get them to improve. I can understand having a negative reaction to it because it is kind of having fun at someone news expense.However, something like Grubby's Bronze League Heroes I'd say is generally fair and funny. If you have a sense of humor I think you could laugh at yourself over your own silly mistakes, because he does go out of his way to be complimentary on things he can be. You should be able to laugh at yourself for getting upgrades for a unit you never built or only made one of and then learn from it.
>>737259526it died because its not mainstream.If a game doesnt have a projected earnings of around 15 trillion USD, then its not worth chasing after.
>>737259526It’s inherently unsuited to competitive pvp and developers tried to force it to be a competitive pvp genre
>it's another "enemies are massing elephants and your civ has no Halbs" episode>none of your teammates are inclined to train halbs
>>737261614This is insanely copium, you don’t play chess and you’d get mogged by a 1k grandma and guess what that 1k grandma is better respected than basically any rts pro not named flash
>>737270575WC3 is more like a proto moba, it’s very low skill which is why it was never held in high regard like BW or SC2. Very knowledge check-y and unintuitive.
>>737272860>Resource acquisition means RTS games get decided long before any player interaction happensThis is insanely true and why RTS fails as a competitive genre. It’s also why Chess (a turn based game) maintains its place as THE de facto strategic competitive game.The problem with the “real time” aspect, is the accrual of resources. It’s insanely snowbally and leads to an extraordinary amount of “non-games” purely based on rock paper scissors mind games based on build order. Obviously build order wins happen, that’s not what I’m talking about. Im talking about “nexus first cross spawn isn’t instantly punished so the game does continue for ten minutes but the resource advantage is not capable of being overcome”It’s just a time wasting genre. We are in the round of 16 for ASL broodwar and one series literally went like >proxy 2 barracks cheese instant win>4pool zergling rush kekekek instant win >actual game That’s two non games, played by the top 1% of players, to get to one actual game. That’s a waste of fucking time.
>>737298096Yeah you definitely don’t play fighting games. Beating max difficulty arcade mode runs is pretty hard, it’s not going to tell you how to play. Arcade bots, especially hard ones, are usually going to be beaten by exploiting idiosyncrasies in their AI. It’s usually very cheesy and doesn’t engage with your characters actual tools.
>>737268724I have my mouse, the curser is visible and moves. I am still not winning at AoE 2. What gives?
>>737257964LEL videos are pretty friendly and usually explicitly explain what the player is doing wrong so a player can use it as a free coaching session. T90 is a commentator first and TO but he's also actually a top 100 player alsoI gotta get back into AOE2 but I'm insulted that the devs pumped out that shitty 3Kingdoms dlc and never once addressed how fucking bad it is like they did with victors and vanquished and I'm genuinely worried even my engagement metrics will work as a tacit endorsement to continue ruining video game perfection because some suit at M$ has deemed AOE2 a live service title and now we need DLCs whether or not there is a good idea
>>737270575This would only prove something, if you put a AoE2 player in a WC3 match and he ends up stomping his opponents after relatively short time.
>>737302401>a AoE2 player in a WC3 matchwhoops, I meant it the other way around
>>737270575wc3 isn't an RTS, blizztroon
>>737302762i got a notification that grubby was streaming aoe2,and i googled and got this pagehttps://www.aoe2insights.com/user/1819870/i don't know what most of this means, but it seems he does have 50%+ winrate
>>737298141>everything you build gets destroyed in timeBRO YOU ARE PLAYING THE RACE WITH THE FUCKING FLYING MOBILE BUILDINGS WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
soon RTS brothers
>>737302191Depends on the gameMortal Kombat X has huge singleplayer content, but because the enemies are just way too strong to compensate the bad AI it's all about cheesingStreet Fighter 6 just have the enemies get better and better AI, so you have to get better, the AI isn't cheesableSame for UNI2, the AI just gets better and better until you have to tryhard your ass to beat itPlay newer games unc, cheesing AI is a thing of the past
>>737269236Returning to the original topic, chess players also smurf on streams, including world's top players. Being a shithead isn't specific to a particular game, it's a personality trait.
>>737301532Every civ has monks
>>737257964Spambot thread.
>>737302927It's only the production buildings that can get lifted, not the defensive buildingsLet's take another example thoughRight now I'm doing the jap campaign in AoMR, never played Japanese in my lifeMission 3 has me holding out against enemy pushes on 3 fronts. After 10 minutes, every outer part of the fortress gets instantly destroyed when the enemy casts a divine power, and I have to hurry all of my army to the inner fortress or it's instant lossOf course, I'm playing on max difficulty because I'm a RTS veteran. Still, I'm learning a lot about the civ just like this. How many villagers on each resource for constant production of bushis in a single barracks? What are my options to defend my AoE siege weapon? Why should I build bushis instead of daimyos, when the mission tells me that Tsukuyomi's cavalry has perks? And also, what the HECK is the hardcounter to cavalry on this civ? Wait, can I really afford to only build daimyos as my hero units when the enemy myth units are protected by so much army? I need to protect my AoE oyumi siege weapon, but they're so slow they can never retreat when the outer fortress breaks.... Cavalry sucks for protecting slow siege weapons, maybe samourais are the way to go? Samourai + oyumi + daimyo + tengu, with some regular yumi archers, seem to be a good comp to pass this mission, probably? Wait, yumi archers are redundant with oyumis, they do the same thing but worse. I have the choice between spearman, or archer, or bushi with regular barracks. Guess I will fill with spearmen, the enemy produces lots of cavalry as their frontline anywayI'm learning so much about unit compositions right now. This will surely be useful when I play japanese in multiplayer. What a good tutorial.A beginner will learn about control groups and hotkeys with this mission, because multitasking is necessary to win. There's always something to be had from playing campagin
>>737281464AOE2 is the melee of the Age series, the game just nails everything from gameplay to aesthetics to art and everything elseIt's perfection in the genre
>>737259526the real reason is everyone chasing the esports fad due to starcraft's popularity and not realising most RTS players didn't play online and preferred the more casual games with cheesy cutscenes and story.
>>737271704>6.5/14based shitter
>>737305796>AOE2 is the melee of the Age seriesSaying that is an insult and doing a disservice to AoE2's quality
>>737257964T90 doesn't really make fun of the people in these videos but his thumbnails definitely makes it look like he does
>>737259526Singleplayer ones evolved into a blend of RTT. Multiplayer ones died off, excluding some exceptions that you can count on one hand.
>>737276864>enjoy your shitty 2view videos mocking lowbiesI honestly only saw this from CSGO.
>>737281067The saudis put chess at esports world cup, I believe it
>>737271704he simply doesn't have a throbbing cock like Charlie.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e91M0XLX7Jw
