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>already at the "competition" stage
Valve is such a fucking invincible company

brehs i don't care about shitty pcs that only exist to appeal to consoleturds...
just give me my steam controller and steam frame already for cucks sake

>$1300 for a ps5 pro
uh ok

>>737260382
There's no way we can compete now... Mr. Advertiser-san.. we lost

>>737260382
that's twice the price of the Steam Machine though. and 3x the power.
but cool. competition is good for the consumer.

I'm still not sure why I would need a mini PC like that. The only time I ever plug my steam deck into the TV is when I'm playing diablo 4 because it's a buggy piece of shit that doesn't run well on my much better PC but runs fine on steam deck.

>am4
>ddr4
lol, lmao

>>737260382
>AM4
>16GB of DDR4
holy KEK

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>>737260382
Looks like an Xbox Series S, or a small electric stove.

>>737260382
But this is what valve wants, why do you retards still not understand this?
It's about opening up the market, breaking the windows only platform.
Valve has been steamrolling pc gaming for linux, and now even android with the recent proton updates for android.
More platforms where team works on means more steam game sales.

>>737260382
>every console exists to make people spend money in the ecosystem
>nintendo has to make its own hardware to do that
>valve can literally do nothing, others will do it for them
He can't stop winning!

>3d printed case
This shit is going to explode after maybe a week of heating up/cooling down

>>737260382
>Buy the Steam Machine competitor
>Still buy games off Steam
Gaben wins either way.

>>737260382
Anybody who still thinks the Steam machine is selling any less than a $1000 is delusional.

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>>737260602
>>737260675
>DDR4
Anon.. i don't know how to tell you that you're mindless consumer drone politely...
Regardless, they should at least put in a x3d variant cpu

>>737261117
>single benchmark on a meme workstation CPU

>>737261301
>bohoo that one doesnt count
stfu retard

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>>737260382
>Do nothing
>Eventually some hopeful with a fraction of your strategic ability bites the bullet for you
>You win if they win, you win if they lose

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>>737261420
that's quite literally the only game tested that doesn't get improved by DDR5

>>737260382
This is exactly what valve wanted lmao

>>737260382
This is a good indication that the steam machine will cost less than $1200

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>>737260382
What's the market for the Steam Machine and systems like this? These are just pre-builts in custom shells. At least with this one you can upgrade it, but the Steam Machine only lets you mess with RAM and storage. Is it for console players? The ones that can't make the library jump because all of their shit is for Xbox or Playstation? PC gamers who want something in the living room? I don't get it.

>>737263892
mini-PC for your living room.

>>737261563
>7% faster on average
waow!!! who the fuck would even notice lmao

>we got cock
We know, OP.

kill yourself bharat_nation

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>>737264121
>actually it doesn't matter that it's better

>>737264217
>overpay for a difference you won't notice in sloppa you won't play
on it tranime poster

>>737264217
is it only 7% more expensive?

>>737264089
I can get wanting that, but I always figured it'd just be easier for most people to stream to the TV from your set up. Fuck Valve for dropping the Steam Link, then dropping the app version so it's broke now.

>>737260889
You'll have to put a kettle on it for cooling.

>linux
valve benefits from the existence of this product

>>737264217
if only 7% of troons killed themselves it wouldn't be brought up constantly, 7% is nothing in comparison to 41% which is a big number and a big difference and a big L

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>>737264863

>>737264946
>how can I bring up trannies in a discussion unrelated to trannies

>>737260382
>1140 euros for a shitbox with a midrange GPU

>>737260382
This is exactly what gaben and valve want though?
More open source console-style living room pcs means console exclusivity gets increasingly rarer. Normies PC gaming on shit that isn't windows anymore is good for the PC market in general. Valve especially since SteamOS is tailor made for that sort of non-desktop type use.

Literally just as planned.

>>737260474
You can watch but don't touch. Remember what happened last time?
Buy your own.

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>>737260382
Looks like an electric hotplate

>>737264985
>linux
>somehow not directly related to trannies

>>737260382
but valve literally wants this
they make the blueprint, they're the idea guys and the lesser, less creative chink corpos follow it
there are videos of gaben talking about how hardware is a low margin business

This doesn't even look like a console anymore, it looks like you can actually mistake it for a hotplate. Do they not have hotplates in the EU?

>>737260382
gamestove lmao

Imagine being Valve and seeing that this is your competition.

>>737266412
>competition
valve wants as many hands on deck as they can to rape microsoft out of consumer market

>>737260382
>/v/ keeps shilling companies that are no threat to Nintendo, Sony, or Valve
What you give a rest already. Switch, PlayStation, and Steam won. They have no competition; they're not even competing with themselves.

>>737266612
*Will

>>737266612
>retarded idortism
valve is pretty clearly trying to disrupt the retard farming modern consoles have on lockdown

the steam machine actually looks better than this competition just by being a black box actually genius move.

>>737261563
Good thing that I exclusively play warhammer
We won DDR4chads

>>737266715
It's a niche, you're not going to move people from Nintendo, PlayStation, or Steam, that's a fact. This just keeps Microsoft out because those retards screwed themselves like they always do. As the late Steve Jobs said, Microsoft has no taste.

>>737266993
>It's a niche, you're not going to move people from Nintendo, PlayStation
no, you will
steam is about to get a lot bigger with the arm support
and the snoybox is heavily threatened by the console frontend push from steam
nintendo won't survive their shareholders nagging them about losing profit from a unified platform
both sony and nintendo are at an all time low when it comes to mindshare

>>737260382
The selling point of the Steam Machine isn't that it's an AIO console like PC, it's that it's made by Valve. It's the brand recognition that's significant. Steam Machine is far from the first of this type of product, it's been around for like 15+ years at this point.
The same thing happened with the Steam Deck, it wasn't the first or even best handheld PC and certainly not the last, but the fact it was first party from the company that essentially IS the PC Gaming Market made it successful.
And either way Valve still wins because any sort of "competition" still ends up just funnelling more customers back onto their own platform which is exactly what Valve wants because it's a longterm win since after all Valve is primarily a Store and Software company, not a rinky dink hardware company.

>>737266993
Nintendo is a cult of manbabies desperately trying to relive the childlike wonder of playing Mario64 for the first time, so, yeah, they're safe.
But Playstation could easily get shaken up. Even normies have noticed they hardly have any games. A normie safe living room PC is exactly the kind of thing that would disrupt sony's hold on the console market. As long as it is as plug and play as a console sony should be very concerned. Valve isn't there yet, and might never get there just because of the nature of PC gaming, but they're obviously trying to get there.

>>737260382
I actually prefer this hardware wise to the steam machine (double the VRAM), but i don't trust getting something like this from a no name manufacturer. Plus if they go out of business tomorrow you get no support on it going forward.

>>737260382
>year of our Lord and savior 2000 + 26
>16 GB RAM
why, it was barely enough 10 years ago

>>737267171
>>737267271
Nintendo has a niche, Sony will have a niche next gen, thus why the handheld exist, Valve will own and grow their niche. The only death coming is Microsoft's gaming ventures and that's going to shift the paradigm hard. Sony's playing it smart having the Japanese branch takeover again and this time gut the western side so they can never take charge ever again. The goal here isn't for all to be a threat to each other, the goal is to make an impenetrable fortress that keeps Microsoft from ever entering again. If Sony was still treating PlayStation like blue Xbox, it would be on its way out, but that's no longer the case. Anyone claiming Nintendo, Sony, or Valve doomer nonsense is being a fanboy, nothing more. Only Xbox is getting killed by this.

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>>737267601
it's enough

>>737267601
? i have 16GB and never have any issues with games. unless you all just have hundreds of tabs open all the time, i see no reason for 32GB or more of RAM. it doesn't make your game run any better by having more RAM. you do know that right?

>>737267601
I'm still coasting on it and can only feel it when I game when I also have 15+ browser tabs open. while I'd now recommend 32gbs to have a surplus, anything above that is overkill

idk, still buying a steam machine for the brand and consistency :)

>>737267601
linux has this wonderful exclusive feature called zram that windows lacks entirely.

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>>737267791
jesus fucking christ windows 11 is utterly inexcusable, I use it at work so sometimes I just forget how it's absolute jeeted out slop garbage but this is pathetic

>DDR4-3200

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>737267712
the console niche is appealing to retards too stupid for computers
and that's being taken away
console circulation has already been cut, there's no new blood, it's just millennials

there's no way any nintendo exec is going to be able to justify to their shareholders to not reach 70% of the market and stick to your 15% by skipping the unified platform of x86 and arm

>>737267975
ryzen memory controller is so slow that it doesnt get any benefit past 3200

>>737260956
There are some good 3D printers. But i have no idea why they would decide on 3D printers as final product tech unless they predict the volumes to be abysmal.

Valve just launched Proton on ARM. This is the future Valve is heading while others are still on the ground floor trying to catch up.

Can you actually know how hardware works and want to buy a mini pc for gaming? The only scenario that comes to my mind is emulation or 2D games only.

>>737268041
>the console niche is appealing to retards too stupid for computers
Thus why exclusives are returning to ALL THREE, well Nintendo already had them. Third-party games will come to Switch, PlayStation, and Steam while being optimized for Steam hardware, some may come to two platforms only, others will be exclusive to one. Only Microsoft and Xbox loses here. Don't know what's your deal with Nintendo and PlayStation, m8. They're not the ones that gutted both the console and PC industries into the ground. The only reason old genres are making a return from the hell caused by the 7th generation, is because the Xbox is dying. You should be happy Microsoft won't be able to wreak havoc on the gaming industry anymore.

This is exactly what valve wants, other manufactures making linux boxes to just funnel people into their store.

>>737268183
It does seem like the next 'eck if they make one will be ARM. I think shrinking x86 chips has already hit severe diminishing returns for handhelds.

>hehe you see Valve is actually winning
Steambox price status? It was supposed to be 2026 Q1

China can do everything steam does but better

>>737260675
>>737260602
Unironically why would they do this? How much more money would it have cost to upgrade this to 32gb and an x3d cpu?

>>737268547
Price would go up $500 with current ram prices

>>737268370
>Steam Deck 2 will use ARM
Stop being a tech illiterate idiot. It's going to be x86, it's going to AMD, it's going to be Medusa Point, not Medusa Halo or Medusa Premium, Medusa Point. Qualcomm ARM is weaker than the current Deck while costing over $1000, Nvidia treats Linux like crap, none of Intel's new handheld chips output at a strict 15W TDP. Did you dumb fucks completely forget everything Valve said, I know your memory can't be that bad? Valve stated they want a chip that gives them a strict 4-15W TDP with more than 50% performance per watt over the Steam Deck current. Only chip that fits that is Medusa Point, it can go down to a strict 15W and with its NPU and FSR 4 native will give more than 100% performance per watt over the Steam Deck OLED. It'll also be able to install other OSs without issues because no ARM. If you want an ARM Steam Deck so badly, wait until the Steam Deck 4. Stop bringing this Steam Deck 2 on ARM shit issue up. It's gotten very stupid and makes zero sense currently.

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>>737268408
Tbh this is super fucking annoying that they've said nothing but still keep the faggy ass store page up. Either cancel it or put it out and cut prices later when RAM comes down. Why do companies act like cutting prices later is now totally unacceptable, prices can ONLY go up on hardware now goyim.

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>>737260382
>16GB DDR4

>>737260382
It looks like shit.

>>737260382
>Storage: 512GB

lol so I can have like 4 modern games on my system?

>>737269198
I unironically think things like this, the steam machine, and steam deck should not be used for modern games. I understand thats not how they're billed, I'm just telling you how I see them. They're backlog/retro/emulation. The most modern should be something like maybe 2015-2018, in that realm.

>>737269409
I mean those are what the specs are made for them to play despite Valve or whoever thinking you should play games on medium graphics at 30fps and buy a new system in 2 years to continue doing so with newer games.

It misses the point of PC gaming entirely but whatever.

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>>737269546
Yeah and I do think they shine in that realm, my 'eck has been great for backlog but it's been for games like DS1, recomps of n64 games, indies like sts2. I never even bother installing something like a death stranding 2 or whatever those people are kind of retarded imo.

>>737260418
this, the steamer is not even fucking out yet lmfao

>>737268408
They're about to announce a price and release date, going by the leaks and updates. People overblew the RAM shortage as per usual.

8gb vram is lesser ewaste
inb4 muh survery

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>>737268297
fuck off faggot, the only exclusive consoles ever had was monopoly on retards
why do you suck off corporations who think you're actual fucking cattle?

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>>737264696
Yeah maybe you can use the cooling exhaust as a heating element like the KFConsole

>>737270273
Why are you sucking off Microsoft?
>muh no exclusives
You want to know what killed off PC exclusives, that Microsoft mindset you have there, it completely wrecked the PC gaming market in the early 2000s, you dumb retarded zoomer. Because of Valve, PC exclusives are returning, they're not being gimped by Xbox's sorry ass controls and the Steam controls are ready and waiting for them. You should have the income to get Steam Hardware, a PlayStation device, or a Switch 2. If you can't afford none of them, they you have no right to play video games, you brown, poor, ESL, commie, zoomer trash. Get a job, get a life, and do everyone around you a favor and shut the hell up. I want to go back to owning it all, not one fucking sanitized device. You want that shit so badly, go drop Steam, and get that new shitty upcoming failing Xbox in 2027 and beyond.

>>737270490
>Why are you sucking off Microsoft?
i'm not, faggot
i'm not grading evils, all consoles have the same objective of farming the goyim
and if you still need them or shill them you're goyim
there is no difference between sony, nintendo and microsoft besides their profitability

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>>737270202
they're surveying brapzilians in favellas on used dell laptops from 2009, of course the VRAM is skewed low.

>>737260382
>512gb storage
This was sub-par last decade. This will store 1 game.

>>737270202
valve's working on vram use too
https://youtu.be/6dXMMwGDW-w

>>737270631
>no exclusives
You pretty much are. Microsoft wants this because they don't want unique games or genres. You know how many PC games and genres either died or got ruined by Microsoft's Xbox. This is why bully you exclusive-hating faggots, because you don't want console or PC gaming to return to their twilight years of the 80s-early 2000s. You want them to stay in the era of enshittifaction that Microsoft started. Gaming is changing to get faggots like you out of it. We will return to the 80s-early 2000s of gaming in the modern era, and trash like you won't get in the way of that.
>there is no difference between sony, nintendo and microsoft besides their profitability
There is, Sony cares about PlayStation and improving efficiency in gaming hardware across the board, Nintendo cares about Nintendo while keeping the old spirit of console gaming alive, Microsoft cares about taking complete control of the console and PC markets while destroying them both. Valve is doing what Sony is doing from a software standpoint for PC gaming while only caring about PC gaming. Microsoft seems like the only evil company trying to destroy gaming as a whole instead of saving it while disguising it as something good for gaming as a whole, just like no exclusives?

>>737260382
>We got too cocky, Valve bros...
The fact that these linux boxes are out in the wild at all is a huge win for Valve. The whole purpose of the Steam Machine is to weaken the Windows monopoly.

>>737271013
>you benefit from needing to buy a special locked down toybox to play games
you're a cuck and a corporate cocksucker
consoles need to go, kill yourself

>>737270901
stop playing aaa slop
this will hold thousands of good games and emulators

>>737271086
The only cuck here is the poorfag using Microsoft talking points about hating exclusives because they got their shit pushed in by Nintendo, Sony, and Valve. Speaking of exclusives, HLX and Deadlock will be exclusive to Steam, and you won't be able to play it on an Xbox Helix since that won't have Steam. So, I guess Valve is bad for locking their games to their own store, right?

>>737271198
i don't have a console you fucking sperg and will never have one again
your appeals are retarded and you're just a fucking manchild that never grew up and can't get over his baby duck imprinting
sony, nintendo and microsoft are both incompetent and anticonsumer as shit when it comes to making hardware and they don't deserve to make it

>>737271338
>microsoft
They no longer matter, you can stop using them, they're out of the console race just as hard as they are out of the PC gaming race. It's Nintendo and Sony now, as it should be. PC gaming is Valve, as it should be. If you don't like consoles, stop talking about it like a losing wishing he had the money to get them. Same goes for those poorfag tendies and Snoys too poor to get Steam Hardware or a gaming PC. Poorfags have no room to talk, just shut up and game on their preferred platforms. Just know that you're all inferior to we idorts.

ban pajeet_nation threads

>>737271554
We need to ban zoomers, third worlders and their ESL BS, and Xbots altogether. Can't have a good thread with these poor fucks.

>>737260382
>Praheet NAtion

>>737271523
>consoles must exist because... BECAUSE I LIKED THEM AS A KID OKAY????
fuck off retard, they should all be folded into different linux distros with specific storefronts
you don't benefit from vendor lock-in, their hardware is mediocre as shit and the need to buy it at all should be insulting to your intelligence
intelligence that you don't fucking have apparently

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>>737260382
You think this hurts valve? This is exactly what they want. Steam 'eck and the cube were never about selling hardware for the sake of selling hardware. The whole point is to bootstrap linux adoption for gaming and get away from the MS monopoly. Having other vendors willingly selling their own gaming devices that ALSO USE LINUX is just helping their whole cause

>>737267271
playstation will probably always have an audience due to ease of access and inertia. It's where normgroids go for their fifa/madden/CoD and I don't see that really changing.

>>737271695
>fuck off retard, they should all be folded into different linux distros with specific storefronts
Only Steam matters, that's why that's retarded. What retards uses other storefronts? GOG only matters to me if the game isn't on Steam, that's it and even if it's on GOG, I'll still shove the game into my Steam Library as a non-Steam game, so again, what's the point?
>you don't benefit from vendor lock-in
Going by how well, Steam, PlayStation, and Nintendo are doing, apparently you do.
>their hardware is mediocre as shit
Yet they sell a lot.
>intelligence that you don't fucking have apparently
You're insulting my intelligence with how poor you are.

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>>737271695
I picture you with steam shooting out of your ears in your smelly favela as you post this deluded shit. Don't let that anon win, keep posting and steaming.

>>737272626
>Going by how well, Steam, PlayStation, and Nintendo are doing, apparently you do.
>Yet they sell a lot.
no retard, YOU, the customer don't benefit from vendor lock-in
you're suck a parasocial dickrider that you associate their success with yours
if consoles respected you as a user then your hardware wouldn't get fucking bricked for trying to overwrite their toy operating system

>>737272839
>no retard, YOU, the customer don't benefit from vendor lock-in
I do, I get games that uses the specific gimmicks designed for their hardware, software, and controllers that I can't get anywhere else. Thank you, Nintendo, Sony, and Valve for controller innovation that Microsoft stunted for many years.
>you're suck a parasocial dickrider that you associate their success with yours
I enjoy experiencing different ecosystems, unlike you.
>if consoles respected you as a user then your hardware wouldn't get fucking bricked for trying to overwrite their toy operating system
Consoles are toys, PCs aren't. Learn the difference.

>>737273128
>I do, I get games that uses the specific gimmicks designed for their hardware, software, and controllers
sony and nintendo have both been using industry standard controllers for the past fucking decade
absolutely nothing unique about them, not controllers, not hardware, you're defending an arbitrary corporate decision that doesn't benefit you

>I enjoy experiencing different ecosystems, unlike you.
>different ecosystems
translate this into english, i don't understand dicksuckese

>Consoles are toys, PCs aren't. Learn the difference.
yes, pcs are pro consumer devices you own, consoles are corporate shitware that aims to enslave you

>>737273371
>sony and nintendo have both been using industry standard controllers for the past fucking decade
They've been innovating with them, Xbot. Nintendo's current controller is based on the GameCube's and Sony's is based on the DualShock.
Exclusives that use the hardware and controllers that can't be done on anything else.
>yes, pcs are pro consumer devices you own, consoles are corporate shitware that aims to enslave you
You're only enslaved if you choose to be commie. Stop being poor and then maybe you can get out of your cage.

>>737274546
>Exclusives that use the hardware and controllers that can't be done on anything else.
Meant to answer
>I enjoy experiencing different ecosystems, unlike you.
>different ecosystems

>>737274546
>They've been innovating with them, Xbot.
i'm on linux you dumb nigger and again, i have no consoles right now
>Nintendo's current controller is based on the GameCube's and Sony's is based on the DualShock.
same fucking button layouts as the industry standard shit

>Exclusives that use the hardware and controllers that can't be done on anything else.
use what hardware? amd and nvidia, x86 and arm
nothing unique here, you're not taking advantage of anything
>controllers that can't be done on anything else.
see the first paragraph
also nothing specifically pins controllers down to consoles

>You're only enslaved if you choose to be commie.
can i choose to not buy blatantly anticonsumer console hardware? can i access the uefi to overwrite the toy operating system?
your idea of freedom is buying your way out of shit, that's fucking corruption you idiot

>>737267271
The only thing keeping consoles around at this point is the tons of money they dump into marketing and physical presence to keep their brand relevant. Normalfag casuals will always just buy what they see flashing in front of their face and can find in walmart. If any of these pc solutions start to rugpull them on that, it's ogre, but that's a tall order.

>>737273371
You're absolutely correct and I perfectly understand your frustration, but you're presenting your argument in such an aggressive way it makes it very difficult for people to want to agree.

>>737276194
am i supposed to be nice to a retard that desperately tries to paint me as his boogeyman?

They're gonna be so cooked when Valve release the Gabecube at 500$ with 2x the performance!

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>>737260382
>16gb DDR4

>>737268710
People want steam deck on ARM because it would mean amazing things for android emulation and handhelds in general.

>>737260675
because it's supposed to be an entry level console (inflated price aside).
/v/ are so retarded when they imply every piece of hardware needs top-end specs.

>>737276581
you don't want android emulation, you want an android compatibility layer so the entire stack moves to linux as a baseline and the android layer is just there to make it as lossless as possible

>>737260382
Let me buy it without the RAM

don't care, will buy 10 steam machine for me and my friend, are you my friend /v/?

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>60 fps
>solid

>>737277037
This. Just let me check a little box that asks if I want RAM included or not and then knock off $300 from the price.

>>737277573
framerate isn't about perception you dummy
it's about interaction

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>announce steam machine
>don't do anything because you're fucking valve
>allow competitors to beat you to the market

>>737260382
I don't want something that can't be upgraded. The only thing that Valve or any competitor could provide to me as an AIO PC is
>sleek ITX form factor similar to the Xbox Series X
>officially supported performance tiers
>deals with studios for games that will be tuned to those tiers
Otherwise you're just buying an outdated device that you can't do anything with. Steam Machines are a huge waste of time and already e-waste because Valve aren't doing this. They're going to sabotage the growth of linux as a desktop platform

>>737277816
>competitors
valve is charting new maps here, it's the wild west settler era for htpcs, they don't care who's taking up the space as long as they take it from windows, xbox and sony

>9060 XT
Steam Machine is done for lol

>>737260452
>ps5 pro
PS5 pro is the equivalent of a 7700xt, this thing is more powerful.

>>737278150
>htpcs
What's that???

>>737278370
home theater pc
thing plugged into your tv

>>737260382
Does Valve really mind, though? They want Linux to become the standard for gaming, and eventually the standard desktop OS so that Microsoft can't threaten them again. This just makes it happen faster.

>>737278147
They're trying to make the thing small and as quiet and efficient as possible so you don't have a monster under your tv. They do let you easily swap out ram.

>>737278548
You mean Gaben does?

>>737274947
>i'm on linux you dumb nigger and again, i have no consoles right now
Cool, stop sounding like an Xbot.
>same fucking button layouts as the industry standard shit
Microsoft didn't fucking invent controllers no matter how much they wished they did.
>use what hardware? amd and nvidia, x86 and arm
They're custom
>see the first paragraph
No need, the dated Xbox controller can blow chunks, it can die with the shitbox it came from.
>can i choose to not buy blatantly anticonsumer console hardware?
Yes
>can i access the uefi to overwrite the toy operating system?
On a PC, yes
>your idea of freedom is buying your way out of shit, that's fucking corruption you idiot
You have a choice on what you buy, if you buy a console, you must be prepared for what you can and can't do on it. No one is putting a gun to your head and telling you to buy a console if you simply don't want one. Companies are also no obligated to put their games on other platforms if they don't want to especially if they actually want their own ecosystem. Nintendo, Sony, and Valve want their own ecosystem. You already saw what happened when Sony ported their games to PC. Sony wanted to get PC gamers to move to PlayStation but the opposite happened while PC players also didn't buy their slop. When it comes to PC, it's just Steam, you can mention all these other stores but no one gives a shit about them, it's just Steam, that's all that matters. Even for Linux gaming, Linux doesn't matter, people only care about SteamOS and most never even leave the Gaming Mode and have Valve's own in-house first-party Steam hardware over one of those generic ass hardware on the market. Whether you like it or not, exclusives matter and Atari, Sega, Microsoft, and all those other failed console companies became irrelevant the moment they killed their consoles. PC even became irrelevant, at one point in the 2000s until Valve took over and saved it all because no exclusives or games. You new kids are retarded.

>>737270135
>People overblew the RAM shortage as per usual.
To be fair it's basically a given the Steam Machine got delayed because of it.
You can't tell me Highguard was supposed to be the big reveal of the TGA.

>>737276581
Your ARM handhelds are Steam Decks on ARM, but they're not a generational leap in compute, Medusa Point is that. You're talking about two translation layers, games will play worse than on the Deck.

>>737276873
So basically its like an integrated virtual environment rather than a virtual machine emulating android?

>>737278758
>No one is putting a gun to your head and telling you to buy a console if you simply don't want one
NTA, but that's the entire reason exclusivity exists; to force you to buy the otherwise totally unnecessary hardware and lock you down. Consoles used to have a place and offer real convenience when the industry was young, but they continue to exist now only to abuse their users.

>>737278150
>windows, xbox
Can these things really be talked about separately anymore? Xbox failed so hard, Microsoft gutted it and shoved it into Windows. Xbox Series X|S is the last true Xbox console, don't let Xbots tell you otherwise.

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>>737260382
>rival
>valve has competition
OP and jeet_nation are clearly retarded. Gaben wins the instant someone installs Steam on either a Steam Machine or any other PC.

>>737278970
So, why doesn't Valve put their games on other storefronts, why are they locking down graphical features, optimization, and control layout/hardware capabilities down to Steam Store, SteamOS, and Steam Hardware? Why can't I get Valve's games from the Microsoft Store, Epic Games Store, or all these other stores online. Why are they "exclusive" to the Steam Store?

>>737260418
This was announced before the cube

>>737278758
>xbox xbox xbox xbox
actual mental fucking illness, you're complete fucking consolecattle
>They're custom
do you fucking know what custom even is?
console shitware is as close to pc hardware as it's ever been

>wall of low iq unformatted train of thought text
i'm not reading it
if you want to be taken seriously then learn to write you mongoloid

what do consoles as a platform offer? RESTRICTIONS, that's their only "feature" and you have to eat crayons to want that "feature"

>>737279334
>So, why doesn't Valve put their games on other storefronts
because you can install steam in 5 minutes on any pc?
you could install steam on any console too, but they locked everything down
consolecuck corporations fear the open market where every storefront can be accessed on the same device because they're too shit to compete

>SteamOS, and Steam Hardware?
nothing locked behind those

>>737279334
They have. And even if they never did it's not a comparable situation, PC is an open platform.

>>737279334
Anyone with only epic installed on their pc is still 2 minutes away from getting access to all of valve's games with a free steam install. They don't have to buy a whole other $700 console locked down by valve.

>>737280415
>actual mental fucking illness, you're complete fucking consolecattle
Stop sounding like one.
>do you fucking know what custom even is?
>console shitware is as close to pc hardware as it's ever been
That's why they must make it unique to give people a reason to own one.
>i'm not reading it
Sign of low IQ
>if you want to be taken seriously then learn to write you mongoloid
Take your own advice, poorfag
>what do consoles as a platform offer?
The same thing Steam offers, exclusives.
>because you can install steam in 5 minutes on any pc?
So, you want only Valve to have exclusives and no one else? If Nintendo and Sony have to share their games to each other's platforms and PC, why can't Valve port their games to other storefronts outside of Steam, Microsoft does it, Epic does, along with the rest?
>nothing locked behind those
Features you'll only get on Linux and not Windows since they'll work differently.

>>737280443
It kind of is when everyone else who has a PC store is putting everything on Steam but Valve keeps their games locked on Steam

>>737280851
But you have to spend that much or more for a PC.

All in all, you guys proved to me that exclusives clearly matter for Valve, Nintendo, and Sony even if they're handled differently on PC. Valve wins with Steam because it's simply better than its competitors with exclusives being a bonus to the store. This is a similar case with Switch and PlayStation, they're the better consoles over Xbox with exclusives being a bonus. Meaning exclusives as a killer app selling point are important. I find PC Vegans, Snoys, and Tendies to be retarded when they port beg like poor faggot instead of just spending the money on a platform. I want all three, I'm not going to cry if I can't get a game on one device, just get it on the other. I grew up as an idort, it's the best way to game.

>>737281470
no nigger, i want no one to have exclusives because there should only be one platform as a jumping off point
get it through your fucking skull, the only one preventing the ultimate consumer choice are console manufacturers locking your toy down because you don't fucking own it
consoles aren't a platform, they're a cage for x86 hardware
all consolecuck corpos could snap their fucking fingers and unlock their bootloaders so that they get access to pc operating systems and steam and gog and epic and whatever the fuck
but they choose not to
because their users are cattle and they milk them

>>737281470
>It kind of is when everyone else who has a PC store is putting everything on Steam but Valve keeps their games locked on Steam
Epic will pay for exclusivity and it's one of the reasons everyone hates them. And that's despite epic being free and not requiring another half a grand or more in hardware. You just take that logic and apply it to consoles, who also do shit like force you to pay to use your own internet and constantly leave games behind, and it's easy to see why people turn against them.

>>737281597
Why would I want multiple gaming PCs when I can just have one? There's no point in getting PC Nintendo and PlayStation hardware because if it's the same as Steam Hardware, why not just get that instead since they would play the same thing? Nintendo and PlayStation need to be consoles.

>>737281664
True, that's why I have complete and other contempt for Microsoft since they introduced all this shit before fucking off. FUCK THEM! FUCK THEM TO HELL!!!

>>737281470
>But you have to spend that much or more for a PC.
You're ignoring the point I was making and a pc is a general use system that can do a huge range of tasks, including play games. You could get a dirt cheap pc that can still play far more games than any console.

>>737281971
>Why would I want multiple gaming PCs when I can just have one? There's no point in getting PC Nintendo and PlayStation hardware because if it's the same as Steam Hardware, why not just get that instead since they would play the same thing?
everything here is correct, the only rational choice is to have a single pc that does everything well

>Nintendo and PlayStation need to be consoles.
oh, so you think consoles need to be locked down and corpos should completely control them while pc should give everything away?
didn't you cry about this but in reverse, you hypocritical faggot?

you're siding with corporate control over your own fucking freedom here, you dumb corporate bootlicking nigger

>>737282131
>pc should give everything away?
No, I hate Microsoft for that very reason. They fucked the PC gaming industry almost to the ground with the Xbox starting in 2001, I will never forgive them for that.

>>737281971
>True, that's why I have complete and other contempt for Microsoft since they introduced all this shit
Microsoft isn't responsible for anything the others do. They all chose to screw their users. You're like halfway there to realizing consoles had their time and need to go. At this rate, they'll inevitably stick you where it hurts and you turn against them. For many, that moment has already happened.

>>737282294
Shut up, they're responsible for everything. If the PS3 would have crushed the Xbox 360, paid online would have died with the 360. Because the PS4 did so well and the Wii U flopped, Nintendo ended up also adding this crap with the Switch. The problem was always Microsoft, they try to even add this to PC with Games for Windows Live. Xbox is a cancer and I'm glad that cancer is dying.

>>737282218
>pc should give everything away?
>No,
yes, you fucking do
don't lie to me, you fool >>737279334
you laid out your retarded terms about how steam should be more open
when i pointed out that it's all completely open already and it's consoles blocking everything out because they hate their consumers and competition you fucking shat yourself
again, consoles are just pc hardware, they could easily install steam

>>737282482
>don't lie to me, you fool
I don't believe anything I stated there, I was using Steam as an example. Steam Store exclusivity is something I love. I was only using it as an example because Valve, Sony, and Nintendo have no reason to drop exclusivity. They own their markets, they can do whatever they want whether we like it or not. The losers have no right to have exclusives though since no one will use their trash anyways.

>>737282803
no matter how much you suck off steam you've shown your hand, faggot
you want consoles to exist only because of a parasocial attachment, not an actually rational reason that benefits the consumer

>>737282446
>Shut up, they're responsible for everything
Consoles were already neglecting compatibility and leaving huge swathes of games behind long before MS entered the space. Games that PC had to save or they would be lost forever.
Nobody put a gun to Nintendo or Sony's head to charge for online, they just knew they could, so they did. They've all introduced their own cancer as well. You should start holding them accountable for their own actions.
Are you the anon who was shitting all over Sony alongside Microsoft until it looked like they were bringing back exclusivity? Your posts all sound very familiar. I am very glad all the PC handhelds and configurations out there don't follow the console model you seem to want of imprisoning software in specific hardware setups to demand their purchase. It would be hell.

>>737282907
You're right, I want Steam Hardware, Switch, and PlayStation for me, myself, and I, their competitors can fuck off and kneel to them. Why do they even have rival platforms? You're never beating Steam, PlayStation, or Nintendo, just give up and don't bother.

>>737282918
Microsoft introduced paid online during the 6th generation, paid DLC, Achievements, and live-service slop during the 7th generation, we're lucky their bullshit stopped there because if their original Xbone plans and Game Pass garbage would have caught on, console and PC would be completely fucked. I enjoy seeing the fall of Xbox.

>>737283043
you're a pathetic cultist
sony and nintendo offer absolutely nothing that you couldn't get by just plugging a controller into a pc
reminder, your precious nintendo is charging $20 for a 20 year old game that brazillian kids got to play with more features like romhacks 10 years ago on their android phones
they fucking hate their consumers, grow some fucking balls

>>737283147
I don't care about poor people playing games

>>737283316
you have so few principles that you think it's about the money
what a corporate golem you are

>>737283390
What a good commie, you are.

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>>737283427
but commies are the ones that need to put up walls to stop people from escaping
just like consoles, they can't survive competition

>>737260382
>€1140
>PlaynixOS
Bye.

I still don't see why most people would choose to get a Steam Machine over a traditional gaming PC.

>>737260382
Neat, competition is good and this is exactly what Valve wants. Anything that isn't a console is welcome.

>>737283517
Why would you get one console?

>>737283783
No Windows and it's made by Valve, same reason people get a Steam Deck over those other PC handhelds. It just feels right.