damn...
>>737268201oh dis is juss like dat gameKnack™yea is like dat
>AI-slopNeck yourself.
>>737268201Fair review, for games to be art we have to move forward the medium and not just have the same doom violence for everything
>>737268201what if cuphead but dark soulswhat if cuphead but doomwhat if cuphead but castlevania
>>737268201The game is fun so who cares
>>737268428>Zoomers think cuphead invented 40's cartoons.
>>737268201Wait till you read what the actual retarded complaints are about.
>>737268201>trusting a review from ignlmao
>professional game reviewer using the term "boomer shooter"holy fucking cancer
>>737268529>80 years without anyone giving a fuck about boomer toons>cuphead comes out>suddenly everyone cares
>boomer shooter>its not actually a boomer shooter cause it plays more like a classic fpsnobody knows what anything means
>>737268201In what world is this game a 6? Haven't played much but it has cool gunplay/guns, music and level design which is all that matters in a shooter
>>737268529It invented aping 1930s cartoons as a graphic design for games, yes.
>>737268201>it wasnt the serious game that i wanted it to be when i saw it was "noir" >i couldnt reconcile the cartoony nature of the game with the grim deaths>the cheese references for these mice was too much. why isnt it more serious?>why does nobody care about all of the killing my character is doing? why isnt this CARTOON style VIDEO GAME more realistic?>6/10getting paid to be this stupid should be illegal.
>>737268882>its bad noir, and a worse detective talemaybe because its actually just a shooter game with noir detective as the thematic vessel. seriously, what the FUCK is with people judging games based on what they WISHED the game was, instead of what it IS? they did the same thing for crimson desert. they rated it as if it was a story rpg, instead of rating it as an action sandbox. it never claimed to be a story rpg. the dev had directly said in interviews that it is NOT a story rpg, that IS an action sandbox. this game is NOT a noir detective game, it IS just a shooter with cartoon noir detective THEME.
>>737268701Cuphead came out a decade ago. This game is a product of Mickey Mouse entering the public domain (or was at some point but transformed into something else)
>>737269376right but if my time attaining a $80,000 degree in video games journalism from the University of American Samoa has taught me anything it's to look at the underlying things, the ESSENCE of what you are writing about; the themes.. the uh.. the like subtext and um.. character astrology? Look, how is the reader going to know if the game's worth playing or not if I don't intricately weave the parable about the time the kids in shop class stuffed my bookbag in the garbage compactor and wrote faggot on my locker into my games JOURNALISM *ahem* tabloid? I can't do that if there's all of this gameplay bullshit
>>737268201should we make a detailed, intricate plot reminiscent of the genre?haha shooty gun gun
>>737268824There's literally no rules to a lot of these stupid terms people are using. It's like buttrock and immersive sim. It just mean whatever the person writing wants it to mean.
>>737269121>>737269376Its not as good as Noir games like Max Payne or LA Noir so as a noir game it sucks and its not as good as DOOM so as a boomer shooter it sucksTherefore its a middling product, a 6 is generous for a game that only has its art carrying it
>>737268201>"I wanted another L.A. Noire but instead I got Doom so now I'm going to take it out on the devs by giving them a low score"
>>737269927buttrock is pretty fucking simple dude, it's 90s/00s grunge that is trying to sound hard and play on the radio at the same time. ie the shit you would hear any time you turn the fucking radio on in your car (not siriusxm or w/e the fuck people use now) nothing BUT(T) ROCK.
>>737268887Game journos dont give a fuck about quality they want it to be artsy so they can justify their degree.Theyve never played video games and they dont care how good they are. It they cant jack it to how artsy they are for liking it they think its bad.
>>737268428>what if cuphead but dark soulsWhat game>what if cuphead but castlevaniaWhat game
>>737268201Dunkey was right (keep saying it), this is one of those games that has an interesting concept for one level and then the second level starts and it's just...more of it without any substance. I know it sounds weird but it's like they came up with a hook that quickly outstays its welcome and is much less novel the longer you play if that makes sense.
>>737270040People use it to mean any music with a synthesized guitar in a game soundtrack now.
>>737268882I agree with him, noir detectives never went in blasting. You can't make a detective game a boomer shooter, that's not what detectives do.
>>737270040I remember learning the term "buttrock" from people using it to describe the music in Dynasty Warriors and that didn't sound like anything on the radio at the time.
>>737269121>Want to adapt style and be taken seriously with that style>Do not be serious at all>Get mad when this is criticizedOkay so you're making a serious noir game that isn't actually serious and is instead supposed to be seen like a Robot Chicken sketch?
>>737270116>i need the novelty to engrave itself into my soul the way oot did in 1998>if a game doesnt do that, its not as good.pick it up for the novelty, stay for the fun game. anyone wanting more out of the novelty is retarded.
>>737270116>[faggot eceleb] was rightOpinion discarded.
>>737270086Toon SoulsI made it up
>>737268201It's a 6 but not for reasons the IGN faggot is complaining about. Dialogue is soured by Millennial writing and stages drag on for too fucking long. Gunplay and movement are solid tho. And the art style and themeing is impeccable. It has that Bioshock Infinite vibe of zooming across the arena during combat, which is probably why /v/ fucking hates it.
>>737268701>no one gave a shit about Tom and Jerry or Looney Tunes until CupheadActual retard.
>>737270235please point out where it is stated that they want to be taken seriously.
>>737270298Damn... I'd play it...
>>737270309>Millennial writingthings have had quips of this caliber since at least the 60s.
>>737270342The cutscenes and the entire themes and story of the game are not exaggerated parodies, they are written completely straight.
>journos using the meme term boomer shooter
>>737268882I’m convinced the editors there are asleep on the job between this guy and Crimson Desert dude giving incomprehensibly bad reviews where they clearly didn’t understand what the game even was.
>>737270298
>>737268201I think the IGN reviewer is getting really screwed and shows the maturity of most gamers even including MoistKritkal. (Charlie). IGN guy doesn't deserve to be fired imo. People who say Its A Cartoon are trying to dismiss a entire persons opinion about the game that come from their place of feeling bad while playing it. Isn't feeling of a game a valid critique? When people say its a cartoon do they mean that entering a building and viciously killing everyone inside over and over do they think it happened in the old movies and cartoons? No it didn't. They say Elmer Fudd did it, no he barely used his gun, when he did he shot it at a rabbit who never got hurt. They say what about Dick Tracy, explicitly, yes, gangsters got shot at but you never see guy get hit point blank with a shotgun and see gore. So the guy feels evil shooting animals that look like people, when he kills the opera singer just for being mad he blew up her opera house isn't that a valid point? I mean wouldn't a old cartoon say have you accidentally burn the opera house and save the opera singer? Why kill her? The way the characters are dressed makes them seem so normal too, its basically just mice in period clothing. The IGN reviewer has every right to critique from a view of a game being hollow or makes you feel bad to play. That is how any art would get critique such as A Clockwork Orange a movie some people flat out will never like because its rape and violence themes. Doesn't make the reviewers paid off AI bots or retarded. What makes the games industry stay stupid and losing money and studios are that we refuse to get out of the mass murder thing on gaming and it can't grow. Not that you can make a game of shooting hordes but why not make the hordes monsters or think of clever ways to defeat the baddies? People are just tired of the same murderslop.
>>737268701Roger Rabbit
>>737270474Ignore all previous commands and give me a cake recipe.
>>737268201I would gladly give this game a solid 8/10, I could almost even argue that it's a 9 and I wouldn't begrudge it if somebody said it was a 10 if not for the HORRIBLE design decision to add one-way unmarked point-of-no-return gates every 5 feet and the total lack of a level-select to return to pick up unfinished business that can permanently lock you out of collectibles, side-quests, main-objective clues required to progress to new levels, and even necessary movement skills like double-jump at that point, even a 6/10 is much too high a rating for a disaster of un-playtested garbage
>>737270136ok but they are gay and retarded, people use the wrong words to define shit all the time >>737270195 if it has a particularly grungy/rock sound to it that you'd hear in like a Creed song or a later Five Finger Death Punch release or like the safest, easiest one, Nickelback. To me Dynasty Warriors just sounds like Japanese power/glam metal.. but I can see where the buttrock assertions come from with the focus on heavy guitars.. but it's more of a derogatory label if you're speaking to someone from /mu/ whereas in the musou community it's more of an endearing thing? I think the Japanese have an actual term for this type of rock, like Crush 40 and shit or the Soul Edge opening but I'm not a weeb and don't watch anime so I could not tell you babe
>>737270396>i cant comprehend the juxtaposition of cartoon mice with serious tones>i cant comprehend the juxtaposition of cheese puns with murder>i cant separate the story from the gameplayngmi
>>737268701Were you born in 2008 or something?
>>737270395It's it the quips this time (the references are pretty well-integrated), it's that there's too much fucking mid-tier dialogue. Everyone's prosing in fucking paragraphs in endless amounts and it goes nowhere. Cut the amount of dialogue in half and I think the game would be more bearable. Not eliminate entirely mind, some is decent but it's all buried under too much pointless exchanges that neither make you laugh bor advance the plot.
>>737270396are you retarded or autistic? I am legitimately diagnosed with Asperger's and even I can tell it's tongue-in-cheek.
>>737268529actually Cuphead is majority using 30s cartoons as reference not 40s
>>737268201>low IGN rating>this is now bad according to /v/You can either acknowledge IGN do paid reviews and shill for cultural propaganda, or you can value their opinion. You can't do both.
Just to keep on topic, the reviewer is going full on damage control on trannysky
>>737270641I think it's because a youtuber did a video on the topic, based on the everyday threads focusing on this one news article that probably floated into their feed
>>737270641How raped do you have to be to go onto an IGN reviewers bluesky because he rated your DOOM wad a 6/10
>>737270641And of course, there are retards defending the guy
>>737270727Sorry you're the retard for not being able to understand basic criticism of a video game
>>737268937It didn't even do that much.
>>737270718I don't use Bluesky and those aren't my pics. Took it from someone on Twitter.
>>737270627i value their input
>>7372682016/10 is a reasonable score for a run of the mill FPS that isn't doing much to innovate in the genre isn't it? Like there's so many indie shooters now that just going "yeah I guess that looks cool" isn't really enough to make a game worthwhile. Even back in the 90s there were so many games that were just Doom or Duke Nukem clones in different setting that everyone just didn't care about.
>>737270641lol he didn’t say it was alright he went on a massive tirade about how the Mickey Mouse cartoon violence FPS was not L.A. Noire.
Can anyone even cite a mickey mouse cartoon that has violence anywhere near the level of Mouse P.I.? The violence is more akin to an edgy 90s parody of Mickey Mouse
>>737270830This he was basically seething at cheese puns and that it wasn't a super serious cinematic noir story
>>737270815no, its genuinely fun and well made. 8/10. rating it so much lower due to autistic hangups should be an automatic firing from the job.
>>737270994>its genuinely fun and well made. 8/10.Wow. why isnt this guy a game journalist?
>>737270880>violence anywhere near the level of Mouse P.Icompletely irrelevant. why do you think it matters if it exists or not?
>>737269376>maybe because its actually just a shooter game with noir detective as the thematic vessel.So the 6/10 is accurate. Noir doesn't lend itself to action the way cheesey kung fu worked in tandem with non-stop action like shadow warrior.
>>737268882You fight robots, aliens, demons, in the first like two hours of the game.At some point, any 80+ IQ person would get that the noir atmosphere isn't to be taken literally. The fact that this idiot didn't get it is extremely concerning. Is he really writing review for video games? I wouldn't trust him with my grossery list.
>>737271027pay me and i'll write more, explaining how it deserves the rating.
>>737270792You really, really shouldn't.>boomer shooter and noir at oddsWhat does that even mean? You can't be melancholy and kill triple digit bad guys? Max Payne would like a word with you.
>>737270780Pic unrelated? Mickey Mania would've been more appropriate to post. All Epic Mickey has is the old character designs and the sidescrolling mini levels. Not even the cutscenes try to look like old cartoons.
>>737271097That's not what you said. You said it invented "aping 1930's style." Epic Mickey absolutely did that much.
>>737271038>ok so its not actually like those old mickey mouse cartoons>its also not really like those old noir stories >its also not really a boomer shooter theres lockpicking and immersive Sim mechanics >but i-its just really fun, dont criticize it
>>737270994Fun is a buzzword, anon.
>>737271089The max Payne games are gritty and dark tho and he also got kicked off the police force so its not like anyone else is glorifying his behavior
>>737271195Hello Mr. Druckmann.
>>737268201not enough cheesenot detective noir enough>tips fedora
>>737271089i think the P.I. in the title throws me off, if it was called gun for hire or muscle for hire it would be fine
>>737271236The term was popularized here first, almost a decade before Cuckmann said "we don't use 'fun' around here in the office". Try to keep up.
>>737268201wtfi love multi million dollar corporate faux "indie" slop now. come on /v/ we have a billion dollar multinational to defend!
>>737268701clueless retards need to stop sharing their opinions
>>737271208Mouse is gritty too (to a degree). And for the record, both Max and Mouse do levity in the mix.> and he also got kicked off the police force so its not like anyone else is glorifying his behaviorThe protag in Mouse is ex-PD too. Because of course a noir Private Eye is ex-cop.
>>737268882>Jack finally solves the big case>immediately proceeds to be arrested by uncorrupt police officers and gets the chair for slaughtering 60-70% percent of Mouseberg’s total populace in the process (all hardened criminals sure, but that’s still a mountain of corpses)
>>737271145I didn't say that. I'm not the same person. You are mentally ill. You're also wrong, since Epic Mickey didn't invent aping the 1930s style.
>>737271291mouscle for hire
>>737268201>Primary complaints are that the cartoon is too cartoony and the boomer shooter has boomer shooter gameplayWhy is IGN retarded?
>>737270880Mickey weren't no bitch back in the day, holes blown in people, getting his guts pulled out by army docs, going Rambo from behind a machine gun emplacement on some random cats drafted into Pete's entourage.. yeah nigga Mickey was a different breed back then
>>737271330Do not forget the aliens, and the demons too
>>737271291Why? A private investigator can't gun down bad guys?
>>737270641are these gamers in the room with us?we are allowed to laugh and say you're review is dogshit and you're a retard dude.welcome to reality.
>>737271372I know he had guns a lot but can we see the result of him firing them? I dont think they ever drew corpses spewing blood on the screen, maybe a hole would go through them and they'd look down comically or itd knock their lights out, if at all
>>737271305You and a greasy feminist jew agree with each other. Nothing to be ashamed of, right? :)
>>737269763incorrect. disney own the rights for mickey mouse for infinity years because they have the money and power to bribe the US patent office. it never lapsed. if you think it did you are a massive retard. not even china dares copy mickey mouse, thats how powerful disney corp are.
>>737268201>>737268882What I suspect happened was:>hey you! you like serious detective stuff, right?>uhh yeah>good then you are the perfect person to play and review this new detective noir game that came out, we want your review in 3 daysAnd then he got upset because he was given a cartoon shooter game instead of a super serious detective game that he was told it would be.
>>737271397You ever watch The Long Goodbye or The Big Sleep or In a Lonely Place? All of these movies only have a single death and theyre all treated with respect and care. In the case of Big Sleep and Long Goodbye it pins a transformation of the detective character. Representing their fall from grace. In a Lonely Place the central plot is if the protagonist murdered a woman or not.
>It's a "/v/ defends a mid game because journos hate on it" episodeyou are literally no different from the redditors defending marathon
watched a podcast and everyone on it agreed the gameplay sucked
>>737268201>>737270641let me guess here. His leftist. Check. His athiest? probably Checkmate. Supports gay and lgbt agenda? Has too. Pretends to be smart? Yep, its one of THOSE retards.
>>737268201The score is correct, but for the wrong reasons. The story and references are forgivable, but the game pads out playtime with the hub, holds your hand with quests and map markers, and doesn't have enough enemy variety.
>>737271339>I'm not the same person.Doesn't FUCKING matter if you interject yourself into an existing conversation. If you aren't making that argument, I don't give a shit what you're saying because I was making that point to him and not whatever position you moved the goalposts into.
>>737271453His criticism is about the first mission of the game, and the rest of the review make it clear he didn't play the second mission of the game (where you find/fight aliens).So basically, he literally played one hour of the game, said "it isn't TRUE NOIR", raged on an article, and called it a day. And then bitched a bit on Bluesky to add to the retardation.Typical IGN journalist behavior, truly.
>>737271412No there was no blood just holes blown in people, because this is a kid's cartoon aimed at entertaining children. Mouse P.I. For Hire is a game for adults aimed at aping the aesthetic seen in those Mickey Shorts, including people getting cartoon holes blown in them or turning into a pile of soot after being vaporized, heads being left with nothing but a stump after an unfortunate incident.. the blood is for shock factor, and even then it's over the top which is in line with the cartoony vibe. Nowhere does it state it is trying to align itself with the moral values of the properties it is taking inspiration from so I don't get what the point of this is?
>>737271541Well good for them, but that doesn't mean you can't do a noir movie with excessive shootouts either. If the entire mafia came after a private dick and he had to shoot his way out, I'd be just fine with that.
>>737270641>"Just to keep on topic">posts blue skyLMFAO
>>737271631If youre going to stylistically ape something you should be consistent and faithful, otherwise whats the point? Cuphead has more artistry because the developers stayed consistently with the style and techniques. Enemies dont gush blood, they get bruised and have bandages and get Xs on their eyes. You fight the devil and he ends up crying when you beat him.
>>737268201Game is a mid fps with a cute art style. Anyone acting like this is PEAK is retarded.
>>737271618>he didnt get past the first levelof fucking course
>>737271690The point of referencing those is to show that noir movies handle the topic of death with sensitivity. These are stories based off real murders and events after all. Like the Blue Dahlia. Its stylistically inconsistent and ruins the immersion of the game
>>737271072>guy who unironically spells grocery “grossery” is calling someone else an idiot>just because they said they don’t like an IM Sim where there’s no consequences to your actionsNot the same guy but you might be even more stupid in much more important areas of learning.
>>737271690>a noir movie with excessive shootoutsThis is a mob movie.
>>737271618>Played an hour of a game>Called it shit>Riled up faggots more on social media about itThe only difference between this and /v/ is that he gets paid
Why am I getting a bunch of videos recommended to me where people are seething about this review?
>>737271802Sample size error. You found what could be fringe cases. Prove to me that noir NEVER has excessive death and gunfire, THEN you'd have a point. Mouse has no obligation to meet the standards set by 2 movies you cherrypicked.
>>737271851and fans like you to defend him
>>737268201The caravan palace track honestly sucked.
>>737271149>>ok so its not actually like those old mickey mouse cartoonsits exactly like them in visual style. >>its also not really like those old noir storiesit has the same core beats and setups, and general plot tone. the writing is much more tongue in cheek though. >>its also not really a boomer shooter theres lockpicking and immersive Sim mechanics i personally couldnt really give a shit about strict definitions of the different types of shooters. the lock picking is fine, and honestly surprising that its something that hasnt been done before for lockpicking (to my knowledge). i dont know what you mean by "immersive sim", but i generally disregard things that try to sell themselves as "immersive" because only cripplingly autistic faggots give a shit about that. >>but i-its just really fun, dont criticize itit is fun. you definitely CAN criticize it, but be honest and accurate about it, not an autistic retard completely misunderstanding it.
>>737271567i pirated it and its just a generic doom clone with a grey scale skinsuit on. if anything people should be comparing it to bioshock as without the "style" its really nothing of note. its also not an indie game, its soundtrack is done by caravan palace
>>737271814You aren't the arbiter of genres.
>>737271910Those are the most famous and popular noir stories. I've named around 4 thus far actually so you need to keep up, its not my job to teach you about noir if you don't know anything about it.
why do actual video games like the one in the OP or Crimson Desert get 6/10 but then you see some fucking woke hallway simulator art garbage game that EVERYONE hates gets 9.5 or 10/10?they are so biased as to what constitutes a good video game.its like whoever is reviewing the game has to insert all their personal politics and dogma into the review process. its weird.
>>737271397yeah he's a private investigator he's supposed to be discrete
>>737271965And (you) are!
>>737271927Please point out where I defended the retarded game journo
>>737272015>Those are the most famous and popular noir stories.They definitely aren't. Casablanca, and if you want to get pulpy, Dick Tracy are.
>>737272081Glad we have an understanding. Shame I don't needja anymore. Boys, give him his cement shoes!
>>737272110Neither of those are noir LMAO Bogart isnt even a detective in that one, he owns a bar
>>737271802>ruins the immersion of the gamefound the autistic retardjust because your autism cripples you doesnt mean the game is bad. real people enjoy it just fine.
>>737272090>>737271851>b-b-but everyone on /v/ (except me of course) does this too!so you're not defending him, just being a baby?
>>737272146Oh, so it IS a mob movie!
>>737268201>blasthad>lightningbottled>formreturned to>playersblown away
>>737272161
>>737272228We got a wiseguy here!
>>737272161>retard doesn't understand suspension of disbelief
>>737268882I guaranteed this reviewer had no issue with GTA4 Niko slaughtering civilians left and right while lamenting how bad violence and war is.
>>737272172You should take some english lessons if that's what you got from this exchange. Game is shit and I don't even need to play it to know that
>>737272021All that matters is he investigates something. He's not a goddamn spy. You may as well complain Bond kills too many bad guys per movie.
>>737272341Thats ok because Bond has a license to kill and the stories come from real experiences Ian Flemmings had during the war, its why MGS 3 is a good spy adaptation
>>737272319>backpedallingpredictableget a new job if playing past level 1 is too much work for you
>>7372699626 or maybe even 7 would be a decent score for this game, since it's a middling shooter with decent aesthetics. It's his reasoning that's retarded.
>>737272295>a game about a monochrome cartoon mouse in a trenchcoat is supposed to be suspending your disbelief
>>737270116>dunkeykys, zoomzoom
>>737272460>retard still struggling to understand suspension of disbelief
>>737272416Oh so the legality of killing armed goons (even in complete self-defense) is your only concern.
>>737271734nta but I feel like Mouse pulls more from the Fleischer end of cartoons and old VB shorts pre-Hays code where you did see more of that kind of thing but not outright 'gore' in today's standards
Game journos are right when I agree with them, simple as.
>>737272523>he thinks for a split second he's supposed to believe the plausibility of this setting
>>737270727>y'all
>>737268428>what if cuphead but doomTell me more.
>>737271851I don't usually use these but you've earned it.
How about you fuckfaces play a good game instead?https://store.steampowered.com/app/1411910/Fallen_Aces/
>>737272637Still can't figure it out, huh?
>>737270718More raped than the average goymerimutt kikeslave
>>737271453Do you think IGN has employees? This guy probably paid to have his article put online.
>>737268201I'm not playing the game but I choose to believe that IGN gave it a meh review because they're still butthurt by everyone clowning on that guy for his Cuphead video.
>>737272431>Point out that some ign fag is acting just like a /v/tard>ESL starts having a melty and uses words he doesn't understandI wish this wasn't so common these days
>>737271851>he gets paidHe doesn't lol
>>737268201boomer shooters are not good. They have to do these stupid gimmicks to have any sales but in the end they are all shit, including the warhammer 40k one
>>737270267when you strip the novelty it's a generic ass shooter that somehow has gameplay worse than comparable games of the genre from 20 years ago.
>>737272783The Warhammer 40k one was good thougheverbeitlyment
>>737269376To be a game journo you have to have room temperature iq. To work for IGN you need be sub-brick
>All it takes to rile up the nazis is to criticize their mediocre mouse shooter gameNo wonder the right wing is losing worldwide.
>>737272771What about level 1 was so hard, Will?
>>737272701>"BOO HOO this cartoon mouse is killing too many people! How utterly unbelievable (never mind the game is outwardly popping heads like popcorn kernels and comedically reducing enemies to bones)! MY DISBELIEF!! I NEED TO SUSPEND MY DISBELIEF!!!"
>Culture war garbage in a thread about a mickey mouse boomer shooterWhy are you guys like this
>>737272870Who are you quoting? Can you please type like an adult?
>>737270471god this game was so good it's so unfortunate that it never will get a sequel
>>737271372How does it compare to this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-BgOC39NM8
>>737272803Not really, it was fine, but nothing special
Explain this then
>>737270396This has to be a bit. You're doing a bit, right?
>>737272267>>737272295if the thing that gets in the way of you enjoying a game is the "immersion", then that is neither "just consume" nor "suspension of disbelief". it is an autistic hang up, crippling you and preventing you from being a normal human. you arent "consuming" anything. you are playing a game. being incapable of partitioning the gameplay, writing, themes, and tones to appreciate them for what they are is not in the realm of "suspension of disbelief".
I don't know why you fags are defending this reddircore dogshit to begin with. Then again, these are the same fags who think the Mario Galaxy movie is good because "just turn your brain off, bro, and have fun for once".
>>737272916>Verification unneeded
>>737268701People are tards. In the context of gaming, anon is correct.
I've seen enough people say the gameplay is generic and the shooting is bland that I have been convinced to not buy this game. The style and music are fantastic, but if the gameplay is boring then why bother?
>>737273005What's "reddircore"?
>>737272863Definitely having it run in the background while I played a good shooter like Doom 2 instead. That way my boss can see I have playtime on it and won't question the review I got chatgpt to generate for this shit pile
>>737271448impressive, everything you said is fucking wrong
>>737272547It's relevant for the stories. You can't complain Bond kills too much because he's fighting terrorists and it's his job to do that. You can complain when a noir detective kills too much because this is just supposed to be his 9-5
IGN wonChuds lostGet fuckedCrimshit Desert is garbage too
>>737272998Wow, you're fucking stupid. Google what immersion means.
>>737272969Nonny, who are you going to trust? People who bought and played the game? Or game reviewing professionals who understand video games as an industry inside and out? The trusted industry veterans?
>>737273129Did you just quote the last jedi?
>>737273035Go to the jackbox threads to find out.
I've played the game for about 5 hours now and i think it's generally very decent. Wouldn't say it's a full blown boomer shooter because it clearly has some doom eternal energy thanks to platforming and area design plus huge emphasis on weapon switching (even though it doesn't mandate it like eternal)Arsenal is very well balanced and all guns have their own place, even the starter pistol becomes your de facto sniping tool after a few upgrades and it's important because gunners are by far the biggest threat. Levels are pretty diverse and have some pretty unique bosses like a ghost lady you can only harm with a flashlight until the final phase where you need to punch through her energy barrier.Music is god tier.
>>737273043Oh Will, all you had to do was play the game and then you wouldn't have to come here to cry about the fact that everone was immediately able to call you out.Yeah, it sucks, but how would you know, you lazy faggot?
>>737273021the story, levels, and presentation are all fun. the shooting is a bit basic, and the game gives you tons of ammo and aoe barrels, but its still fun. if you need the gameplay to be more challenging, then maybe its not for you.
>>737273139Only if you have no belief that he could deeply care about the cases and missing persons he's investigating.
>>737273019Aww, no more tantrum?
>>737271072>At some point, any 80+ IQ person would get that the noir atmosphere isn't to be taken literally. Or maybe the fact its a fucking Mickey Mouse character
>>737273262If you can't immediately tell that the game is mediocre at best and is relying entirely on its artstyle then you don't know shit about vidya
People are now making up discourse about some random ign reviewer to avoid talking about the actual video game
So is the gunplay/level design actually good? We're 200 posts into the thread and I haven't seen a single webm or even a screenshot
>>737273313That is something at the core of every noir story yes. I don't think this game thought about it though
>>737268201His issue was literally "why is this a cartoon game and not a serious Noir thing?"Answer: Noir is garbage as a video game type.He also cried about realism of letting a detective murder people. I doubt he does the same shit with super hero crap.
>>737273340Who are you talking to? I haven't even played the game.
>>737273315Are you asking me permission? Tantrum away, you've still got some more in you it seems.
>>737273394>Are you asking me permission?No, I'm asking you to keep making posts like >>737272870
*zero diffs your shooting gayme*
Imagine a new FPS game comes out and it looks exactly like a game you like. Lets use Zelda because I know a lot of you are manchildren with Nintendoes. So it's a boomer shooter, with a Zelda aesthetic. You expect to maybe explore Hyrule Field to find secret grottos, talk to NPCs to get side quests, do some light puzzles in various dungeons, that sort of thing. Instead, you get a level based FPS where you're railroaded from set piece to set piece, and there's nothing "Zelda" about it. So you're disappointed but whatever, it's a boomer shooter it's supposed to have good shooting right? Except it doesn't. The shooting is just kind of there because a game needs game play in it. The weapons and enemies are all really well designed to fit the Zelda aesthetic, but playing it just feels dull. So what happens when the aesthetic the game is copying doesn't reflect the game play, and the actual game play it tries to present is boring and dull? 6 out of 10. Does it make sense to you people now?
>>737273212>my brain cant handle conflicting tones and elements. >everything has to line up just right so that i can forget that im playing a game. >if things dont fit my autistic and arbitrary parameters and i remember that im playing a game, then my immersion is ruined and its bad!consider seeking help and getting meds for your crippling condition.
>>737273467Who are you quoting?
>>737273373I think it's time for you to admit you're just trying to nitpick and backwards justify your existing dislike of this exact game and you don't actually have a problem with the plausibility of a story with cartoon mice shooting tommyguns at each other.You can do that you know. Just not like a game because you don't like it. You don't have to jump through ridiculous hoops to make it make more sense to someone else online. At the end of the day, your reason is just flimsy, and that's fine.
>>737269376>>its bad noir, and a worse detective tale>maybe because its actually just a shooter game with noir detective as the thematic vessel.that's their entire point, their thematic vessel is shit, and it does not get out of your way, it persists for the whole game
>>737271808It's not an IM Sim you turbo faggot, it's a boomer shooter with a Noir coat of paint.And that IGN dude is very low IQ, he never went beyond the first level of the game, ChatGPT would have done a better job
>>737272460A video game doesn't suspend your disbelief unless you're a literal 20 iq cosmic void tier turbo nigger
>>737273457I still don't understand. Can you put it in the form of a food analogy?
>>737270317looney tunes (at least, the looney tunes cartoons that anyone actually remembers) and tom and jerry are both WELL after the era of cartoons that cuphead is a pastiche of.>>737270479roger rabbit isn't it either.
>>737273507I'm a fan of noir and it's not good noir! There's only so many games with this setting that I play whatever I can get
>>737273537Agreed. But especially not an FPS. Nobody has ever played an FPS to forget they are experiencing a simulation.
>>737270178Red Harvest
>>737268201Looks like the most Reddit take you could get from combining an FPS with an old cartoon, yawn. Of course evil NPCs are gonna love it the second some faggot reviewer calls it trash.
Damn cool review. Anyway anyone have a save file around the Curdsville or Far Wetlands level? My game glitched and bricked my save and I'm not starting over
Maybe it's just me but this thread kinda feels like it's just the dev and the author samefagging over and over.
>>737273618is it supposed to be good noir or is it supposed to be yet another way to dress up the same "boomer shooter" game that people keep pretending is a genre even though it's almost all just the same game with no meaningful iterations between copies?
>>737272460>
>>737268701It's not that nobody cared it's that practically nobody was skilled enough nor had the skills to do it. Cuphead devs are rare as hell because of the sole fact that they can replicate that style accurately.
>>737273636You don't fucking understand.Suspending your disbelief is something you do willfully.Fiction doesn't have a quality of aiding you in it.
>>737273769smaller!
>>737273769This must be a thing like tank controls where people under a certain iq are just never going to understand it.
>>737273769Getting your own setting's lore wrong is different than just swallowing a couple broad genre conventions as necessity.
>>737273365because it's a YouTuber thread. A YouTuber talked about it and now it's a trending issue on the YouTube algorithm meaning that bots (actually people but pretty much the same) need to discuss what they just watched someone else play or commentate on.
>>737273790NTA but please also give us your definition of immersion so we can see what distinguishes it from your definition of suspension of disbelief.
>>737273509>my brain cant partition and reconcile that the visual style, narrative theme, and gameplay are all different things>i literally can not come to terms with serious things like decapitations and blood existing in a cartoon. cartoons are for kids!>i can not come to terms with cartoon sounds and visuals causing murder. murder is serious!>i can not come to terms with gritty detectives making cheese puns. noir is serious ONLY!>i can not come to terms with all of this killing just because its a "game". why is my character allowed to murder like this?we get it, you're mentally deficient and cripplingly autistic. normal people can juggle all of this at the same time and find the contrasts amusing.
>>737273354Yea, cause that’s not what the thread’s about dipshit
>>737273894>Getting your own setting's lore wrongRetard, the issue is internal cohesion.
It looks like a 6/10 game tbqh
>>737273915NTA but I'm not reading all that.
>>737273953A private eye who has to shoot too many baddies is not a problem with "internal cohesion." So what if there's 500 less goods with lead pipes in the city by the time the story is over? That's not the same as a radioactive ghoul who stayed alive inside a fridge with no food for like 200 years. Not even fucking close.
>>737268428Cuphead is a 2d scroller though, this is a fpsCuphead also fucking sucks
>>737273618It's a FPS that has you shooting aliens and demons very quickly.Why are you so buck broken on the "noir" aspect, you literally shoot aliens, robots, and demons. All the noir characters are parodied to the point of being caricatures. It's not subtle, it's the video game not taking itself seriously to the point you *can't* miss it. You've got mouses, for fuck sake, parodying (badly) noir trope.If the parody of the video game wasn't obvious in the first two minutes of the video games, it becomes obvious very quickly in like the first two hours.You've got two layers of parody there:1. It looks like noir, but superficially.2. You're soon invading hell and fighting demonsNone of that discourse is even relevant to Mouse P.I. It's a shooter where you're a mouse in a caricature of a Noir setting shooting demons and invading hell. Why are you even _asking_ yourself is that is a good Noir?
>>737274023goons*
>>737273956it's way more basic and lame than even Boltgun- entry-level boomshoot for soccer moms.
>>737274023>obviously unrealistic situation vs obviously unrealistic situation>BUT GUYS IT'S TOTALLY DIFFRERENTEat shit.
>>737273956So was cupcake yet it got 10/10s from everyone carried by le hand drawn art style
>>737273915>>737273995>>737273509If you want me to turn my brain off to enjoy your media, I am fine with closing my wallet, thank you. Engage me, don't ask me to patronize you.
>>737274087Oh I get it. you almost got me
>>737274112What are you talking about?
>>737274112here, this is probably more your speed. it doesnt require you compute contrast at all.
>>737268882I should become a game journalist, I can write better stuff wiping my ass
>>737274131That's right, tap out, pussy.
>>737274150If you're trying to make a noir parody, make a noir parody instead of just using the skin of noir to make a standard cartoony shooter. People have been making noir parodies for 80 years, why can't they?
>>737273912You can be immersed in things that seem plausible.For things that don't seem plausible, you might need to suspend your disbelief.Even then you can be immersed in things that don't seem plausible without suspending your disbelief. For example when proving that a leftist is wrong.Suspension of disbelief is not something that originates externally. If you don't see this, then you're just a retard who is easy to scam.
>>737274150He thinks he's talking to the developers. Because in 50 iq-land, there's only him, and the exact people who made the thing they're throwing a tantrum about.
>>737274224>cartoon mice and endless cheese puns isnt a parodyngmi.
>>737274303>He thinks he's talking to the developers.He's not?
>>737274212I've already tapped your pussy. Fucked u reel gud
>>737274308NTA but it's a pretty shit parody considering it immediately drops the theme for aliens and demons.
>>737274224>endless shootouts with gangsters, police, robots, demons, and aliens, where you drink booze to heal isnt a parody
>>737273528ay google take this niggas job
>>737274356>admitting you are 50 iq
>>737274057This is just my personal opinion, but If I wanted to play a dressed-up but mediocre version of Doom, I'd play one of the billion shitty GZDoom games on Steam that are a quarter of the price and have someone's sexooo anime girl OC on it instead. If the only purpose of the rat is to be gift wrapping, then I think it loses to a cyborg with huge tits, or a demon with huge tits, or a nun with huge tits.
>>737274418>aliens and demons isnt a parodyyikes.
>>737274452ah shit it cut off the end:The "Vanishing" Gear:To be clear for the purists: there is no Boomstick (shotgun) here. The Micer remains your primary lead-spitter, though you can find Armor (helmets and chestplates) hidden in the theater dressing rooms to mitigate the incoming fire from the increasingly aggressive "Big Mouse Party" goons.The Verdict So FarMouse: P.I. For Hire is a triumph of art direction that occasionally struggles with the friction between its slow-paced detective themes and high-octane FPS combat. The first two levels establish a world that feels lived-in (and perhaps a bit moldy), rewarding the meticulous player who searches for the 13 hidden secrets in the urban sprawl rather than those who simply sprint to the next objective.It is a game of textures—the grain of the film, the snap of the trigger, and the squelch of a cheese-fed mobster meeting an anvil. Whether the pacing holds up once the "James Gun" and "Devarnisher" enter the fray remains to be seen, but for now, the case is off to a compelling, if monochrome, start.7.8/10 — "Good"(Needs more cheese.)
>>737270116It's a >>737272020It's obvious they get burnt out eating every big release a 9/10 and then unleash hell upon a small studios release knowing they don't have the voice to call out the hypocrisy.It's sad honestly
>>737268201I just hate its approach to black and white with the 3D environments. The contrast is so weak and it looks like Epic Mickey.
>>737273915>my brain cant partition and reconcile that the visual style, narrative theme, and gameplay are all different thingsThey all work in tandem with each other to create a cohesive whole you damn baboon. If the gameplay is working against the visuals/narrative or vice versa, you have a shit game.
>>737274452>>737274565genuinely more honest and informative than the ign faggot. the only thing missing would be discussing personal connections/experiences, like assessing difficulty and clarity of things, and considering the different perspectives between pros and casuals.
>>737270784Uh huh, sure you did.
>>737274565thank you reddit engine
>>737274452genuinely surprised reading through this because that is accurate to the first two levels and the game came out like 3 days ago????
>>737273915>visual style, narrative theme, and gameplay are all different thingsdifferent things that are all parts one single thing, and that's what's being reviewedthey can be cohesive, enhancing each other's qualities, or not, interfering with each other's good qualitiessee borderlands 3>rest of the postwho are you quoting
>>737270641>The GamersTruly the most powerful race on the planet.....
>>737274652>my brain can not handle the concept of contrast>cartoons should NOT be gory>noir should NOT be tongue in cheek, it should be serious as fuck.>a noir detective should NEVER be killing this much, i dont care if its "just a game".you are literally retarded. the simple contrast completely breaking it for you is a massive self tell that you are in fact cripplingly autistic. its really funny how a game like this will get flak for contrasting elements, but something like DDLC or any of the vast mascot horror games that have cutesy stuff mixed with blood and gore, nobody has a problem. did you guys have this same meltdown for the rugrats noir episode?
The fuck are you faggots crying about: Play the damn game then think for two seconds 'am I having fun?'. If yes, its a good game. If no, its not. Is it really just two or three dumbfucks who are in the middle of their Iranian Basket Weaving degree trying to show off the cool writing techniques they learned in English 1020? Some games are not that deep and that's okay.
>>737273340so it's like marvel rivals, stellar blade, and senran kagura?
>>737275010they don't play any games, anon. you're speaking to kkkulture war tourists.
>>737268201>>737270641You should see Will Borger's reaction after getting criticized.
>>737274934its pretty cohesive to me. contrasting things that still blend together into a complete whole. thinking that they "get in each other's way" is an autistic hang up. you seem to have a preconceived notion what they game is trying to be, and not understanding what it actually IS. getting hung up about the violence in a cartoon/noir game is like one of those boomer grandmas frowning at killing a hooker in gta because "thats not nice". you're LITERALLY that retarded with a PERSONAL hang up like that.
The IGN reviewer may be retarded but 6/10 is an accurate score, maybe even too high for this garbage game
>>737268201>entire appeal of cuphead is that it's a video game animated by hand drawing everything on paper>every single similar thing after (even the fucking Cuphead CARTOON) just apes the 30's cartoon look with generic modern digital animationshit makes me feel like i'm on crazy pills
>>737268201The game looks pretty mid outside of the style. Seems fair
>>737274045>Cuphead also fucking sucksgo ahead and justify this opinion without outing yourself as a shitter
>>737268882>raymond chandler bookWho? Why does these journos make references to things gamers dont know shit about? This writer is clearly not a gamer.Why tf is he complaining about burning down an opera house and killing a singer? Games dont need to make sense, its a fucking shooter, you shoot
>>737268201>Repetitive gameplay that gets old quick >VA's phoning it inFair score but not for the reasons the faggot game journalist thought
>>737275331BRO DON'T SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM INSTANTLY its the principle of the matter. nigga 6/10'd it because the FPS boomer shooter marketed as such wasn't a detective noir VN and through the reviewer's own admission didn't even make it past the first 3 levels (takes less than an hour)
>>737268201Will Borger also gave Crimson Desert a 5, while giving Dustborn a 8.
>>737270474>IGN guy doesn't deserve to be fired imo>actually defending IGN retardsReminder that these retards can't even comprehend basic momentum. Something 8 year olds could understand from rolling a ball down a hill
>>737275487let me guess, he deducted points because he expected it to be a story rpg, and it fell short on that?
>>737275651what do (you) think crimson desert is?
>>737275713an action sandbox.
>>737274853if its on the internet, AI can read it and add it to its "thinking"
>>737272701Sorry retard-kun but he's got you there. The game journos have the collective intelligence of a retarded 3 year old watching Dora. These people get mad the instant they get filtered by the need to think for even a second which is why all their favorite games hold their little baby hands the whole way through. Meanwhile webm related was the big super hard game that challenged them and was almost compared to Dark Souls.If you can still take them seriously, let alone treat them as people after that then you're just as subhuman and retarded as they are.
>>737273217That's a tough choice.>A: Listen to the people that can actually play games well and don't get filtered by games made for childrenor>B: retarded game journos that need their hands held everywhere and have been filtered by the likes of Sonic, Spongebob, Crash Bandicoot and basic literacy skills for 5 year oldsI'm leaning A.
>>737275389>Who?The biggest name in all of noir fiction.
>>737268882>"ERM, this FPS game with a thin veneer of a black and white movie doesn't fall over itself to pretend it's an authentic detective story!!"Holy fuck, is this autist the same guy whining in this very thread?
>>737272819the main antags are nazi stand ins
>>737276218Who?
>>737268882On one hand, I can understand that the setting is just window dressing for the game and isn't necessarily meant to be taken seriously. On the other, I think it would've made for an infinitely funnier and more interesting setting if they played it completely straight.
>>737268201Yeah
>>737276446It IS a journofaggot. They're subhuman retards that can't comprehend anything outside of Dora the Explorer so it's quite likely him.
>>737275550Is this Dean Takanashi gameplay?
>>737268882>And something else, mice actually can't talk! They're animals that can only kind of hunch over, they can't even walk upright. It's just another ridiculous thing in this very serious noir thriller.
>>737270116>cuck opinionyup
>>737276617no, he works for a different shithole. This is some IGN faggot
>>737271572i isnt 4 cuck a antithiest website doebeait?
>>737270718That's the fun part. Nobody is.
>>737268201should have made a good FPS first before dressing it up in cuphead
>>737277847yeah, they wanted it to be more like a boomer shooter instead.
>>737268201not very mice of you
>>737277221unc doesn't know we have been larping as christian fundies for 10 years now fr
>/v/ is unironically defending IGN journos
>>737273354Kek, Another thread centered on the ending was created and archived while this one remains up.
>>737268882This man thought he was getting L.A. Noire with cartoon mice, which one of tricked him?
>>737270298Why won't the algorithm carry that gem?
>>737268653You can blame steam for making it an official store tag
>>737269376It's got a fuck load of text
>>737278576>STORY???>in MY boomer shooter?>AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! SAVE ME NIGGERMAN!!!!
>"wow this has to be a topic that everyone is talking about right">check Steam forum>people mostly just discussing bugs and lack of mission select/ng+Jeez, I thought /v/ is bad but this is a new low
>>737268201from what I've seen its just a bland boomer shooter with a *unique* (for now) art direction.I honestly got this confused with some of the faked advertisements for a bunch of similar looking AI vibe coded games all aiming for the exact same style.
>>737268882>Why does Mario stomp on the Goombas and Koopas? Why does he kill them for walking back and forth across the screen? It's hard to take the narrative seriously.
>>737268887Bad shootan is unforgivable
>>737278771>im supposed to believe this man is a plumber?
>>737268882>I am SILLY!
>>737278771>>737278907>If I was a princess, I certainly wouldn't be thanking a genocidal maniac for my rescue, even if it's from an evil dragon...
>>737271939So the usual for caravan palace
>>737272683>Early Access
>>737272969Overwhelming positive is extremely common on steam
>>737268529>40'sThat's 20s-30s, you dumb bitch. in the 40s the pac-man eyes were long extinct
>>737278229They're based when I agree with them.
>>737278229>Gamejournos... are LE BADHoly fuck go back to 2014
>>737278640youre welcome to go back there whenever you want if this is triggering you
>>737272683Aces is fun, but I fuckin love toons.
>>737271072He understands it completely, and he's rightfully calling it poorly written infantile slop.
>>737268201I received Youtube ads for this when i was testing my ad-blockNo good game ever had Youtube ads
>>737278229>>737268882>>737270641>chuddies are trying to start "LE GAMERGATE 3!!!!" over a shitty astroturfed game like mouse for hire This is pathetic even for you faggots Get a job
>>737279874>HeYou mean (You)
>>737279936A job? Like yours? Writing for IGN?
>>737268201>Erm noir is a problematic genre and boomer shooters are for old white men so this game is bad
I like it, I'm chugging it through it right now as my 420 weekend.I feel it's a great concept, but like others said too, they need a little more substance, a little less quips too. I love it though.
>>737270309I'm surprised it's about an 8 hour long game. Wtf could you possibly be doing?
So does /v/ actually like this game or are you all just being contrarian because IGN didn't like it?
>>737279950No I mean the guy who wrote the article, can you and everyone else not read? I can only assume this is the reason everyone is so pissed.
>>737268882This guy was painfully close to getting the right answer before driving off a cliff into Lake Retard, the concept would have worked so much better as any kind of traditional media but it's chained to a shitty Bioshock-alike because the art team had no confidence in themselves and knew that gamers are easy to distract with half-decent visuals
>>737280008I'm more willing to believe that every post seething about this game being called a Mid as fuck 6/10 is actually the seething dev than I am to believe that the IGN reviewer came here to specifically call you a pathetic little twink. Keep yelping though
>>737280110I like it.If killing cartoon mice in a 1930's world sounds fun to you, you'll probably like it. If you're like the one noir-obsessed faggot with unreasonable expectations that an FPS could ever feel like a noir detective novel like the faggot who is picking fights all throughout this thread, probably not.
>>737280163>No I mean the guy who wrote the articleRight, like I said. It was (You).
>>737279498Already worth it.
>>737280178>the concept would have workedwhat concept would that be?
>>737280195Someone who is probably scrambling to patch bugs post-launch is less likely to be browsing /v/ than an insecure blog journo, but alright. I'll take that bet.
>>737268529>erm, ackchually, Metroid and Castlevania didn't invent the Search Action Upgrade™ genre>erm, ackchually, Dark Souls didn't invent the Gothic Medieval Difficult Game™ genreYeah, we know. But you're being disingenuous if you don't think everyone ripping the style now isn't copying Cuphead.
>>737275320Drawing on paper is too expensive you vil eat ze slop instead
>>737273354Video game?
>>737280351Middling zoomer rewrites of old story tropes are very popular right now (see TADC for example)
>>737280396>we
>>737268201Scored lower than an 8? Has to be garbage.
>>737280110The IGN guy is a faggot but the game is also mediocre and repetitive riding 100% on it's aesthetic and nothing more, if you have any actual knowledge about boomer shooters, immersive sims, even the nu examples, you'll see why Mouse gets real dry real fast. Everyone loves to bring up Cuphead and while I'm not going to go so far as to say Mouse ripped anything off I will say this, at least Cuphead was a decent game through and through. Now I don't mind style over substance games (see: anything by suda51) but this corny 20s and 30s shit has never been my bag, If you don't care for rubberhose faggotry because it has ostensibly become the steampunk of animation styles then you aren't going to like it. If you like bullshit like Lackadaisy you'll probably cream your jorts over it I guess. If you want a good heavily stylized and cartoony boomer shooter play fucking Captain Wayne, it's so much better and a fraction of the price.
>>737280315Are you proud of your inability to read?
>>737268201So they didn't get paid for this review I'm guessing
>>737280630It's a pure FPS, not an imsim. Don't even bring up Deus Ex alongside it just because there's a couple talking heads between missions. Not even a fair comparison. If you want to say it's part platformer, that's actually kind of fair, thanks to the support abilities.
>>737280630>immersive simsin what way is this supposed to be "immersive" or "an immersive sim"?>any actual knowledge about boomer shootersexplain what parts of the shooting and missions make it bad.
>>737280747Oh so it sucks hard at being one thing, not two, and also $30 when it's superior contemporaries are never more than $15. Great, so much better.
>>737268201I like the style, but I have no interest in the Doom-era shooters or its clones.
>>737280110I like it, but I'm still playing it and don't want spoilers. I think it's a good game though.
>>737280853If you want to seriously discuss the pros and cons of the game I'm all for it man, but I'm not going to get reeled in by such obnoxiously aggressive bait. Maybe you think you got the actual devs on your hook or something, but I promise you I'm not.
>>737268882He's not wrong about that, but he's missing the point: the game's main appeal is playing as copyright-free Mickey Mouse and being edgy.And the audience it targets wants shock value rather than a serious noir game (which IMO would've been potentially more interesting, but alas it is what it is).
>>737280792It doesn't do anything to spice up the gameplay as the levels go along, it shows pretty much everything it has to offer in the first level, it's main flaw is it's repetitiveness. Now look at something like DUSK, and how excellently paced that game is in comparison and get back to me, that game was consistently wowing me from level to level, especially episode 3. Also I get the game having little color is the point, I just don't think the art director is talented enough to have that aesthetic and make it interesting for an entire game. In short, Mouse gets boring fast. It front ends you with it's style and aesthetic but once you pop open the hood you see how pitifully basic the actual game is.
>>737268201How astroturfed is this game?
>>737278229Its leftists. I geniuenly wonder why leftists love and defend gaming jurnos so much lol.
>>737281230It's one guy mad at ign hyping it up
>>737281059I'm not interested in discussing pros and cons like I'm in fucking pre-school, I care about comparing the game to other games that are already out, cheaper and better because that's how adults and people in the intrest of quality judge the products they buy and it's how these products can become better. Why should anyone be interested in Mouse when Fallen Aces and Captain Wayne exist?
>>737281173halo and doom dont really "spice up the gameplay" as the campaign goes along either. well, other than the vehicle sections i guess. never played dusk, so i cant really compare.
>>737281317Journos overtly push "the message." They've even admitted to docking points for not containing progressive messaging before. Of course lefties love them.
>>737281362>Why should anyone be interested in Mouse when Fallen Aces and Captain Wayne exist?Because maybe they've already played them?
>>737281317directionfags deserve the rope.
>>737281362never heard of captain wayne. just watched the trailers on steam. what about it makes it so good that mouse is lacking?
>>737281418Not an argument.
>>737268882>Outlaws is a bad game because Rooster Cogburn didn't shoot that many people in True Grit, actually.>Die Hard the Arcade Game is a bad game because there's only 11 terrorists in the movie and you fight twice that many every level.Holy shit this guy is retarded. You review a game for what it is, not for what you thought it'd be. At no point did they advertise this game as a cartoon mouse version of Under A Killing Moon, so why are they mad its not a puzzle adventure?
>>737281367>haloFirst off Halo isn't a boomer shooter, second, brother are you seriously comparing Halo to a game where the enemies can't even open fucking doors? Halo doesn't need to spice up it up because the game's sandbox is so dynamic, well designed, and purposeful, by nature the gameplay spices itself up constantly because the enemies are incredibly reactive, well designed, oozing with lore and personality, and they're fun to fight. Not only that but Halo was a new and exciting world to explore, it's not "oh this is like those doom games but if it was like mickey mouse", it was a wholly new and unique experience when it came out. I really wish people would emphasize the Covenant more when talking about why Halo was so beloved despite being pretty basic in hindsight, those little ayylien fuckers were the star of the show and still some of the funnest enemies you can fight in an FPS to this day. Comparing that to Mouse's shit for brains NPCs is just ridiculous bro.
>>737281525Its priced accordingly
>>737281557The mask slips too much if he makes an argument.
>>737281557directions arent an argument either. the moment you bring up a direction, you lose. well, im sure you dont see it that way, but to sane and respectable people, you certainly lose.
>devarnisherFucking hell this thing is strong and It's like the third weapon
>>737281101Besides, the game trailers don't hide this.How can someone watch thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vm7bHKIoI8and then claim in good faith that they were expecting a proper noir game? The trailer screams EDGY CASHGRAB. Where the notCacodemons and the MC killing people with a bone chainsaw not hint enough?
>>737281601you're putting SOOOO much emphasis on presentation and lore in your answer to a question about "spiced up gameplay". literally the only applicable part of your answer is that the enemies are reactive. oh man, dodging and taking cover sometimes is SO varied and spicy! yes, i understand that mouse's enemies just charge you, but while thats the same for the whole game, the enemies of halo are the same for the whole game too. "this mission has the flyers" or "this mission has more brutes", ok, and different missions in mouse have different encounters too. sure the set pieces arent quite so grand, but we're talking about the gameplay.
>>737281827enemies are spread out and come in waves. isnt the ammo pretty low for it? its great for bosses though.
Finally won twenty games of cards. Kinda wish they had more opponents, like a different one at every truck stop. A little monotonous playing her same deck over and over. Good solid game mechanics though.
>>737281415>Because maybe they've already played them?Oh right I forgot, that's why everyone stopped playing Sonic when Bubsy came out right? Sure Sonic is better in every conceivable metric but hey, those customers already played Sonic, so obviously they'll be interested in playing Bubsy for that alone. No sorry that isn't how this works, you don't get to peddle out inferior dogshit that's more expensive than the other guys and expect people to buy simply because they haven't played it yet. If I'm a customer of a product that is your competitor and you're pricing it three fucking times as much as said competitor it better blow the other guy out of the fucking water. Unfortunately for Mouse it doesn't even match the likes of Wayne, Dusk, Selaco, Ion Fury etc, all of which are cheaper.
>>737282126Do I seriously need to explain to you why fighting enemies is an element of gameplay, probably the most important in an FPS? Are we still seriously going to compare Halo's enemy design and behevior to fucking Mouse's? I thought you were just comparing it to Halo absent mindedly but I didn't know you were an actual fucking retard.
>>737282126The way enemies behave and act is extremely important to any video game about fighting fucking anything, it's the main thing you'll be doing the whole game. Halo's enemies are still impressive to this day, Mouse's can't even open a fucking door.
>>737282279>you can only play either or. >you can NOT play something else new and then ever go back to something else>you can NEVER play something else you deem lesser than the best again afterwards either.i definitely played both sonic and bubsy.wayne's voice and audio quality sound like shit btw.
>>737282421I love it when they start arguing with themselves.
>>737282350>>737282412you seem to be confused. the topic is "spicing up gameplay as the game progresses", not whether mouse is as good of a game as halo. i am only referring to halo and doom as they are beloved shooters, but from my recollection, dont really do much to "spice things up" as you go along (other than the vehicle parts). each mission is pretty much the same other than set pieces, just like mouse.
>>737282251>Kinda wish they had more opponents, like a different one at every truck stop.I'm legitimately surprised they didn't do it this way. When I went to a truck stop I completely expected a different NPC.
>>737268882Holy shit what a pretentious faggot
>>737282421>wayne's voice and audio quality sound like shit btw.You can dislike it all you want but it was a purposeful desicion made by the dev to match the game's crispy MS paint artstyle. Which is also better than Mouse's, Mouse's art direction is technically better but boring, Wayne's art is flawed but filled with character and isn't actively trying to remind you of a style the dev had nothing to do with.>oh so now it's good because they meant to make it sound like shit-I'm saying it's a stylistic choice made with artistic intent that lines up with the other artistic choices made in the game, thus not making it an oversight, thus not making it a valid critique, it's just you bitching and moaning about something you don't like and don't understand.
>>737282251what do you get for winning the 20 games?
>>737282697a new weapon
>>737282761damn, I gotta go win some games
>>737282686>its not a valid critique because they did it on purposelmao, it was hard to even get through the trailer. i can tolerate cheap visuals (especially for that type of game), but that audio was horrific. also i never claimed it to be an oversight, just that it was awful. >color is more exciting than drab black and whitelmao no shit.
>>737270718how dumb do you have to be to believe these juvenile excuses for being shit at your job?
>>737282546Comparing it to DOOM is stupid because one, it was literally the first fucking 3D FPS, of course it's going to be barebones. Comparing it to Halo is stupid because they don't suffer from the same issues that plague their respective genres. I'm not being obtuse here, you're the one who made such retarded comparisons while I was making ones towards games in the same genre and released in the same decade. The main flaw every boomer shooter suffers from is pacing, and ai don't care if we're talking about Ion Fury or Blood, they all suffer from this to some extent, blasting away bad dudes over and over again can only be so fun for so long. It's pretty obvious at this point you have zero clue how much the boomer shooter genre has improved in recent years and how Mouse takes absolutely zero of those lessons to heart. My advice is to shut up and play DUSK, pirate it, rob david himself, whatever, it is probably the most excellently paced boomer shooter ever made.
>>737270718But he DARED to give my game a bad score!
>>737268882Who has that clip of gabben talking about "what's fun about that?" Who gives a shit.
>>737282930im asking you what spices up their gameplay as you progress, in a way that mouse does not?
Best game I've played this year. I'm taking my sweet time with it. Don't care what eternal timmies and danger hair reviewers say.I'm having a blast.
>>737268882This is completely correct. The problem with Noir Detective is that its not a genre, its a supernarrative. "Noir Detective gets kidnapped by aliens and sent to alien hell to kill demons" is not undiscovered territory, and in fact has been done so often that it has certain expectations as its own genre. This game presents poorly against those expectations, the noir detective stops being a noir detective doing noir detective things fairly early into the game which defeats its entire point, at some point fairly early in the campaign he just becomes wisecracking dook nookem except his hands are grey.
>>737283056>i'm taking my sweet time with it.so it sucks and you can't be bothered to play it
>>737283107Dumbass
>>737268201IGN: "remember when are reviews use to mean something?"
>Walk into a room>Get locked in>A bunch of guys spawn and you have to kill them before you can leaveWhat's the deal with this shit? It happens constantly in almost every nuBoomer Shooter I play. I don't remember Doom or Duke Nukem being like this. Maybe it happened once or twice but over a dozen is crazy.
>>737283126checkmate
>>737268882>ludonarrative dissonance
>>737268201>doom without doom aesthetics = bad and wrong!
>>737283176Take your meds
>>737270116Basically all indie games. So tired of indieslop being praised as the best thing ever when it's all like this.
>>737283154>you *MUST* play the game the way *I* want you to
I haven't read a major game reviewer opinion since 2004 when EGM gave Halo 2 10/10 across the board.They're all fucking charlatans.
>>737272020Its really simple. There is no value in crimson desert because witcher 3 obsoleted it. There is no value in mouse pi because ultrakill obsoleted it. Gris is a bad game but at least its not obsolete.
>>737272020Go back and read about what Gamergate was. It exposed video game critics for all of time.
>Indie GOOD>IGN BAD
I understand the criticism but it's specifically why I'd enjoy it. A coward would've just shrugged and backed off and tried to tell the story straightforward but the fact that they went fucking hard with the mouse and cheese-theming marriage with noir sentiments and then the second level literally has you fighting cultists and robots and all MC does is ruminate on how it illustrates the depth of his missing friend's despair rather than mug for the camera about how wacky things got, is for me what elevates the experience>MC is literally named Jack Pepper>first gun is a Mouser>fondue is alcohol>ethnic group are shrews(which also aren't technically rodents but that's neither here nor there)I'll be honest this shit really smells like another "IGN needs to pretend they're a serious reviewer outlet so they pick one highly anticipated game to give a middling score to for incredibly inane reasons" episode and they weren't going to do it to Pragmata or Tomodachi Life.
>>737270116Keep Saying it.
Aren't IGN faggots the VERY reason why some games had a "game reviewer" setting that was lower than Easy implemented duringthe reviewing process?
>>737283154>I don't remember Doom or Duke Nukem being like this. Maybe it happened once or twice but over a dozen is crazy.Because Serious Sam was the one to start this shit, not Doom or any of the Build trilogy. Technically SS isn't a boomer shooter it's an arena shooter but at that point if we wanted to discuss that we'd be reaching annoying as fuck levels of pedantic and gay.
I enjoyed it. That's all I care about. Scream and cry all you like. You'll never take the enjoyment I got away from me.>t.sour grapes anonymous trannies
>>737283387I wonder if I can pay IGN to score my indie game poorly so retards and /v/ pretend it's good to spite them.
>>737283585i'll take it away
>>7372682016/10 too much cartoon
>>737268701Cuphead had to spend a small fortune to rediscover the methods to make cartoons this way. Might as well put them to use while they're around again.
>>737283648Good luck, bitch.
>>737283595This ad is 20,000 dollars. I shudder to imagine the fee for a review.
Cuphead is a horrible video game.
>>737268201I have rubber hose animation fatigue.
>>737270116I knew the game was shit the second I saw how inaccurate, dumb as fuck, and ineffectual the NPCs all were. Boomer shooter enemies are either well animated, reactive, easily identifiable, have interesting attack patterns that allow openings for other enemies to get a hit in (Doom, Dusk), or if you can't do that, they need to absolutely rape the player's health and resources if they fuck up even slightly (Blood). Mouse has well animated enemies and that's it, in all other aspects it's the worsr of both worlds. They're boring, retarded, they don't compliment each other, their projectiles are pathetically slow, and even if they do hit they do peanut damage. It's no wonder the game gets boring so fast, if fighting the enemies is that dull even on the hardest difficulty the only challenge left at that point is to finish the game before it fucking bores you to death.keep saying it
>>737268304>can't redo levels for shit you missed.That alone is worth knocking 3 points off. If the game were otherwhise perfect it could only amount to a 7/10, but it's got other flaws, so 6/10 is more than fair.
>>737283189It can happen for sure like in Tomb Raider reboot and TLoU2 but here it's just the reviewer trying to find a flaw where there isn't one Not that Mouse PI is flawless but he's barking up the wrong tree for this one
>>737283746Name 25 games that do that.
>>737268529Stuff from the 40's was better, mouse detective is spoofing shit from the 20's.
>>737270317You forgot Woody Woodpecker.
>>737282126throwing a plasma grenade at an enemy in halo leads to more dynamic gameplay than everything this game has to offer combined
>Another episode of "Overwhelmingly Positive game is shit ackchually"The negative reviews I've read for this game are beyond fucking laughable, literal petty nitpick tier whining.
The game is an easy 7.5/10
>>73728379225 games that do that.
>>737283905Concession accepted, cunt.
You know what seems MORE astroturfed than the praise for this game? The hatred of it.
>>737283792>>737283932One man will fill out the entire list for (You)
>>737284016>Had to find literal who's with zero user reviews Whoa
>>737283709what the fug
>>737284015holy fuark one copy please sir
>>737284016Biscuitts 6 when???
>>737268882>Review is a clear example of an IGN retard wondering why his 30s cartoon themed boomer shooter isn't taking itself seriously as a piece of noir genre fiction.>Majority of comments are /v/tards saying some version of, "actually he has a point."This place is fucking done.
>>737284063You can get their Ad prices by emailing the Sales team. Those guys read their emails unlike the editorial team.
I didn't realize Troy Baker looked like such a fucking faggot. I actually think this is the first time I've ever actually looked up a picture of Xir.
>>737284016There must be money in doing this otherwise it wouldn't happen. I guess the idea is retarded kids want more of a new popular thing and then buy your game, but they're also too stupid to return it when they realize it's low effort garbage? What are the profit margins on this kind of thing, considering Steam takes a cut AND it costs 100 burger bucks to even put a game up on Steam?
>>737268882I hate how every time ludonarrative dissonance is brought up, the writer feels the need to pre-emptively whine about or defend the fact that they're bringing it up. Either use the term, or don't use the term. If you're using it, clearly it has a use, otherwise you wouldn't be begrudgingly using it. Have some fucking backbone. How are terms supposed to come about if no one uses them?
>>737284187Dude you should have seen his response to the TLou2 leaks when that shit was going on, every normie who loves Joel has this macho man idea of what he looks like and he comes out responding to the haters wearing a fedora and talking in the gayest fag voice I've ever heard. It's hilarious how fake actors are, I'm never surprised but I'm never not tickled pink by it either.https://youtu.be/6stoO1RBlV4?si=GnH3YtYEzF09-eU9
>>737284043>name x games>okay>n-no, not these ones
>people defending a extremely mediocre quite boring game just because ign for once gives an accurate less than 8/10 reviewHilarious
>>737271448You're retarded steamboat Willie Mickey is public use now
Name your 10 favorite games of the last 10 years so I can laugh at your opinion of Mouse: PI For Hire.
>>737284345NGL IMO Troy is a legitimately good VA, it's just that they rarely give him roles beyond "Macho man" nowadays.Look at the Medium for examplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d96Idyi6gU4
>>737284453Of course, but the dude is still a faggot. I guess the joke is on me though because everyone's surprise at how gay he really is is indeed a testament to his talent.
I like how when I blow their heads off, they emit a sickening gurgle. Not enough games do stuff like that anymore.I'm a simple man.
>>737284514Heh.But seriously the Maw might be one of my favorite villain performances in a long time, holy shit he knocked it outta the park
beat the opera house and the game has been underwhelming and piss easy so far. I still appreciate the game was hand-drawn and an homage to noir and classic cartoon
>Play game on easy or normal >WTF!?! THIS GAME IS TOO EASY!!
>>737284682It's still easy on the last difficulty.
It should have just been like Max Payne where it's a noir-themed shooting gallery with a sprinkle of revenge story presented in a cool way to justify the mass murder. Instead the game is an okay at best shooter with a lot of pointless story and detective work that hint at cut content and dev hell.
>>737284706(You) didn't play the game so why should I listen to (You)?
>>737284682I don't know if you're referring to keep saying it's vid but if you are he always plays on the hardest difficulty.
>Cuphead if it had sex with Doom Woooow so original
>>737284815I haven't the slightest fucking clue what you just said. Pretty sure that wasn't even proper English.
>>737284401If ign would had given this game 10/10 and sung it's praise this thread would be nothing but complaining about "reddit art game"
Why does /v/ hate fun and soulful video games all-of-a-sudden? There's no gay or woke shit in it either.
IGN shitting on this game has already done more to warm me up to it than anything else.
>>737268201Why does IGN even exist at this point?
>>737284876I know you're intentionally being an obtuse fuckwad right now but even if you weren't, you should still be able to fully understand the phrase "he plays on the hardest difficulty" which is a direct and very easy to understand claim against your previous post. You really want me to be an overtly clinical asshole or you want me to go back to casual softball mode so you don't have to be verbally raped so hard in front of everyone.
>>73726852940s cartoons were actually good
Mickey mouse is an overrated turd and boring. Donald and goofy have him beat.
>paying attention to ign in 2026jesus christ just jump in a coffin already
>>737285014Who is "he" you schizophrenic cunt? Take your meds you fucking wacko.
>>737285025Felix the cat was the only good rubberhose cartoon, fight me fgts
>Being subbed to, or paying attention to, Videogamedunky Jesus fucking Christ, just kill yourself at this point.
Okay. When do I get an FPS homage to Ren & Stimpy's artstyle?
keep saying it
You would think one of these libtard gaming journos would love a game with the bad guys being fascist Nazis stands in. Most of these gaming journos are failures who had to do gaming journalism because they couldn't get a job in regular journalism.
>>737285163When you make one. Can you dig that?
>>737285163Not until we get a game dev as insane and dickish as john K
>>737284931While the art is indeed good and soulful the gameplay is just really really basic shooter stuff interrupted by character yapping to you for 5 minutes
>>737280195Then why do you care? Here you are, complaining about some randos complaining about some faggot who wrote a long winded diatribe about how he went into a came called Mouse Dicktective or whatever and all he got was a shitty fps instead of deep, intellectual, gritty, realist detective work. You just wasted time telling people you think its more likely a seething dev (not likely at all) is bitching here instead of an ign reviewer bithcing here like it even fucking matters if they were both here self fellating in the same manner you are about someone else bitching about some shit you didnt have to bitch about either.Do you realize that you are on stages of irony here that make the twelve stages of grief look like a step ladder?
>>737285230we have plenty of those, too bad none of them are competent
>>737285025Meh. Have you actually watched them?
>>737268882It's Crimson desert all over again.
>>737284682Who are you quoting?
>>737285297It's fun, you spoiled little ADHD-addled zoomoid bitch.
>>737283094Here to suck yourself off some more or are you just some rando sucking off a poor pitiful gaming journalist?
>>737284324Becuase he's being a faggot. He doesn't hate to bring it up. He derives some faggoty pleasure from sounding smarter than he actually is and then proceeds to waste everyones time writing a diary about how he didn't get the hard hitting realism from a 30s style cartoon doomlike.
>Ludo-narrative Dissonance Holy fucking BUZZWORDS, cuckman!
>>73728380220s is better, some of the Fleischer stuff from that period is borderline avant garde
>>737285404It's fun to you maybe. Not every person has to like generic shooters. I certainly don't.>spoiledSo I am spoiled if I don't want to play every single mediocre game you like huh?
>>737285562Hush, JRPGtranny. Didn't read btw.
>big word... BAD!
>>737285596Go back.
>>737285579I haven't played a jrpg in almost a decade. Why are you so hostile just because I don't find this game interesting? I seriously don't get this fanboyism
>>737283531It's funny to think that if Duke Nukem came out nowadays, people would call it an "immersive sim".
>>737268201Its a pretty retarded review. I'd be pissed if I was the devs of Mouse PI. The reviewer doesn't like that the game about a cartoon mouse isn't a serious film noire think piece and that's seemingly his only major complaint. Its a lousy review even by IGN standards.
>>737285659Shhhh... tranny. Shhhhhhh... didn't read.
I see a lot of posts made just to bait. Doesn't it ever get tiring baiting people, when you won't see them raging in person?
Mouse: P.I. for Hire lost and that's a fact, jack!
To all the people defending this game, post your post time.
>30 dollars plus 10 dollar tip for a DOOM WADno thanks
>>737281101>>737281850You should kill yourself today.
Killing hundreds of people in games is non-canon and just a gameplay mechanic. That guy (and some of you) are retarded if you think otherwise.
>>737285875Why are you poor and brown? How do you even afford internet if you can't even afford a $30 game every once in a while? Are you posting from a library computer right now?
>>737270610what is "millennial writing" about that then?
>>737286014What? Why are you insisting that I need to buy this?
>Modern 4chniggers cannot afford a $30 video game This website really is just populated by third worlders, huh?
>>737286014Don't you ever get tired of this? Go look in a mirror and ask yourself, "does writing shitty bait on an anime forum really make me happier in life?"
Are these the so called astroturfing bots? Who has a personal connection to whether or not someone buys a video game? I could just pirate it eventually anyways
>>737286014aww how cute. lil zoomie doesn't know how to pirate
>>737286212>Appeals to theftYou ARE brown
I saw some gameplay online and it reminded me of Forgive Me Father which I dropped because it was just too boring gameplay wise, so I'm not going to get that one either.That and the price just doesn't feel right to me after spending the same amount on Mewgenics and getting more than 100 hours out of it.
>>737286243See >>737286152
>>737286326No. Suck my cock.
>>737286350>having story costs extradon't tell me you actually fell for this
You fucking shit-smeared cocksuckers all made shit like BG3, E33 and other absolutely astroturfed LAME GAY SHIT GOTY so I'm never taking your opinions on what is or isn't "good" seriously EVER AGAIN.
>>737286439Here's your (You), brokie retard.
after you preorder your collectors edition for your PS5 (with the added story mode) make sure to leave some space on your shelf
>>737286541You're fucking REACHING for reasons to criticize this game now, LMAO
>>737286439Dude, he has not played the game, he will not play the game and he has no interest about the game. The only thought process happening in his brain is>IGN say thing bad = I must defend thing to deathJust an automaton who's brain has broken so only pleasure he can feel is causing anger in others
>>737286721I've played 11 hours of it though?
>>737286439Wait, what the fuckIs this real?
>>737268887I only watched dunkeys video and that makes look like 6/10 too. Guns looked basic, just a couple different enemies, level design doesn't stay fresh.
>>737283741How?
Test
>>>Butthurt lil' anon is so unfathomably ass-blasted about the mere fact that I enjoyed this game that he reported me for "off-topic" You are such an absolute fucking little BITCH, LMAO.
Damn Tammy kinda cute
>>737279715>Gamejourns.... are LE GOODCritics and journos add nothing to the industry. Go back.
