>Mahvel Tokon>Avatar The Fighting Game>Invincible VSWhy is the future of fighting games all western animation/comic stuff?
Nen Impact bros, we are forgotten...To be honest the only upcoming fighting game that interests me is Combo Devils. Everything else is so derivative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDp_ysWRnHIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C3U18yjAEUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-StdU6DV6Nghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oT7qQAdzcUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_GdiEOiSTs
You tell me, why do the animations in that avatar fightan have like 2 frames per move?
>>737295195Reminder that you are problematic and might get reported by other players if you use Anissa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyIg-bPlmAwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eqGVjpKQf0Goku Daima looks like reused assets galore. It felt like Bamco can't even replicate arcsys signature style.
>>737295195>Lets give the guy who swing a lot a Electro Swing themehttps://youtube.com/watch?v=wT61vAE8FfA
>>737295482where's the rape finisher
>>737295572>Goku Daima looks like reused assets galore.I mean, that is Goku #15 or whatever in that game so that shouldn't be a surprise.
>>737295686I don't know what it is about Tokon, but literally nothing about it is hitting right with me. I don't mind the MvC games, but for whatever reason I don't like anything that I see or hear about the game.Even the famous Arcsys graphics look kind of fucked in that game.
*Discord Fighters Thread
I'm here to represent Rising.
>>737295925>Tokonlol no>AvatarMost likely to be a discord fighter.>Invincible Honestly could go either way. But I'm leaning towards no since the beta was pretty popular.
>>737295456Game has the budget of a toast sandwich.
>>737295815The concept is to use the Japanizing beam of Marvel, but I feel like its the wrong kind of Japanizing beam.Since most of the characters are silver age superheroes, I feel like they have more in common with older stuff like pre toys Kamen Rider, Cyborg 009, Mazinger, Ultraman and classic Gundam such than whathever they are going with Marvel Tokon. Now, some of they just work like Danger, but for characters like Spider-man or Iron Man its rather eh.
>>737296252>>Honestly could go either way. But I'm leaning towards no since the beta was pretty popular.I think it's going to have the mortal kombat syndrome where it sells a lot, and then everybody drops out of the game
>>737299237yeah it has infinites so people will just drop it
>>737299354I've heard the infinites are because of tagging and there's some kind of RPS where you can break the tag, but offense can delay tag or not tag and still blow you upIt honestly sounds more retarded to me than regular infinites
>>737299237True, the beta was rage quit city.
Yeah, I think DOA6 is the new Tekken
>>737295427why is kov xiii the only snk game with good music
They fucking hate me bro
>Happy Chaos has un-interactive fullscreen lockdown and infinite corner blockstrings>Hotfix patch planned for May>Evo Japan is on May 1stGreat idea, can't wait to watch high level tournament matches of nothing happening at all
>>737300628Fighting game players are so fucking cucked it's unbelievable, any developer would get murdered for keeping shit like that in the game for even 2 days
>>737300628ffs fucking abusers incoming.>>737300604RIP
>>737300710People are still on the honeymoon phase of 2.0 being the epic patch that completely fixes everything, even though season 4.5 was already really good Arguably better than 2.0 imo if you exclude a couple sour spots
>>737300101imo previous KOF goes bangers after bangers until XIII peaked. XIV and XV fell off with some good ones like geese's theme XIV ver, Kim's theme XV ver, tachi bou ke, saxophone under the moon and splendid soldier.
>>737295815I can see it being good, but it's hard to say. I hope they do another beta soon so I can give it a go.
>>737295815>Even the famous Arcsys graphics look kind of fucked in that game.?????considering your picture, I think you're just being tribal for absolutely no reason
>>737295482>that stomp moveThunder? Is that you?
>>737301550I think Tokon will be a good game and its visuals are well ahead of most modern fighting games, but I do think the characters look a bit worse than ArcSys' other recent titles. I assume that's just because it being a pseudo-tag game means they're aiming for a bigger roster and individual characters aren't getting the same attention because of it. It still looks really good for what it's worth, but I can see the argument for it looking a little worse than Strive and GBVS:R, and that's not me being tribalistic because I think GBVS is insanely boring and would gladly put it down given the opportunity, but it's a good looking game and a high bar for Tokon to clear if it wants to look better.
sometimes i like to go on sf6s replay mode and watch people who have like 900MR
>>737302037you still haven't said why. it looks exactly like strive and gbvs. actually, it has less visual clutter than strive despite being a 4v4...
>>737295815I just don't like tagslop. I'm praying that the Avatar game is good and has players because that's all I'm touching this year.
>Want to play fighting games with /v/>/v/ always bitches about how that specific fighting game ruined their life and now they're divorced and angry and how the developers made them lose their job.I feel like the only game I can play with /v/ is Strive.... even SFVI people dodge. To Dan who actually accepted my FT5 - lol we played way more then that, good games! Thread died before I could say it :(
>>737302096the real crack is found in platinum ranked rashid players
>>737295195>Invincible VSToo expensive for a fighting game as this caliber, it's going to flop. Especially against the ATLA one
>>737302701I'm much too far from most people posting (aussie) or else I would play ALL the fightan here
>>737303113gold rank modern kens will provide you with kino too
>>737302701i will gladly play sf6 sometime, its just that whenever someone has tried to make a room its been at a time i can't play :i
>>737303235>$50 is too expensiveWhy is /v/ so poor?
>UNI2>on steam>in SEA
>>737295195Street Fighter 6, Tekken 8 and Guilty Gear Strive are so bad, an Invincible game that would normally get ignored now has a good chance of being better than the biggest fighting games.
>>737304330imo the weirder thing is that the Avatar fighter is more of an anime fighter than the actual anime fighters out right now
>>737299707Until your opponent gets the break meter and goes offensive.
>>737305172Oh boy I can see the skullgirls roots here
>>737295195>Mahvel Tokon>Avatar The Fighting Game>Invincible VSNobody is going to play any of these
>>737295815I didn't try any of the beta tests yet, so I can't speak on the game's quality but I don't like the fact that a lot of DBFZ refugees are gonna migrate there cause of how shitty bamco treats them. Also, good lord what is wrong with modern fighting game soundtracks? Its like the moment the 20s hit it all became ass besides whatever frenchbread is doing
>>737305172It feels like a flash game
>>737305172Did that Toph player do a fucking FRC at the end?
>>737300101
>>737295195>Why is the future of fighting games all western animation/comic stuff?it isn't, avatar and invincible are going to die off quick, only lasting as long as their first wave of dlc. Tokon will only last as long as DBFZ and Mahvel players are able to convince themselves this is a follow up to both, which could be anywhere from a year to four years, and in both cases it will sell well.
>>737295482my cute tomboy rapist wife
>>737295427You're always welcome here fightan bgm anon.
>>737295815I heard Tokon feels better from the most recent footage and beta so maybe I'll be more accepting of it when it comes out.
>>737304270There's at least a handful of Australians and even some Malaysian anons who play UNI. At least for the latter, the former have all just been asking around so unless it was just the same guy asking multiple times over the years.No idea if they're around for 2 though.
Invincible VS felt like an entertaining kusoge that had the potential to turn really good, but I don't think it will last long enough to reach that pivot.
>>737315403The devs already listed out some shit they're going to have changed for the launch patch, so I could see it shaking the kusoge label pretty fast.
>>737304270And stay there SEAmonkeyIm so glad Americas internet infrastructure will never be good enough to play with you monkeys
>>737295195>Why is the future of fighting games all western animation/comic stuffBecause there is no future for the genre. We are seeing FGs die again like when Turd Strike killed the genre the first time.
>>737316010>We are seeing FGs die againYou've been saying that for at least a decade now.
>>737316074I have been playing FGs competitively longer than you've been alive.
>>737316186You'd think with all that experience, you'd be able to not sound like the average /v/ newfag doomposter.
>>737316297Stating a fact is not doomposting. Casualizing games does not make them more enticing to players. It doesn't keep people around either. 3rd strike casualized SF to the point that nobody was interested in playing the series anymore. They played other games instead. There are no other games to play anymore. The alternatives are all just as bad if not worse to SF6. That's just plain reality.
Anyone want to play Tekken / DBFZ in 30mins or so? I'm open to a FT5. PC NA EC
>>737316858Nah im good bro. I only do long sets. I dont have time for ft5s drop in drop outs. I need to cook you in a long set and let you know you are ASS
>>737316989uh I'm good for a FT10 then if it's DBFZ. weird poster though.
>>737299707Heh, Marie Rose is doing the Charlie Brown pose
>>737299707>still no info on rollback in DoA6LRBros... There will be none, right? What the FUCK are they thinking. Don't tell me this whole "Last Round" thing is just another way to make easy money for the publisher?
>>737318253Probably just gauging interest in the cheapest means possible
>>737321484you could have just posted a maxdood video instead of some edit
>>737322428LESSSSSGOOOOOO
>>737316858bump?
>>737295195>STAND READY FOR MY WORM'S ARRIVAL
Why ArcSys, whyWhy the fuck did you make command grabs throwableI absolutely fucking hate having to relearn the timing because now it basically has to be extremely meaty to not be beaten by throwWhy is it beaten by throw too. Why isn't it just a tech?
>>737326565>command grabs throwablewhat the hell?is this how they nerfed pot?
>>737326809Half of the system mechanic nerfs in 2.0 can be traced back to Potemkin being a retarded gorilla that doesn't require you to do anything>Command Grabs throwableSlightly nerfs Potemkin Buster, altho he can still do it outside throw range>PRC forced prorationMakes Hammerfall fPRC Potemkin Buster not as fucked up as it used to be since it deals less damage>Reversal Super RC removalPrevents Potemkin from continuing combos after Heavenly Potemkin Buster, which could deal retarded damage and give burst-safe wallbreak setups>Throw Whiff PRC removalPrevents Potemkin from being able to run his shit with no consequencesAlso they gave him good compensation buffs, and everyone deals less damage, so he's only really gotten nerfed for the lower ranks of the playerbase>>737326565I don't even get what the point of Wild Throw even is now, I'm not gonna whine for Sol players because he's still good but that part is extremely retardedI think vacuum/forward movement>command throw beating throws was kinda stupid, like Venom 6K, Slayer 2S, Nago 6K, but these could have been targeted individually
>>737326809Potemkin is hurt more by the PRC changes, although PB is also nerfed by no longer tanking a hit, so you could technically jab out of it now if it wasn't done meaty. But nah as far as command grabs go, PB is actually still doing alright. It's faster and more active than other command grabs, and it can be kara'd in, so while you'd do well to adjust to the new timing requirement, it's still pretty good and not as hard to deal with. It actually does a lot more to nerf other characters. Like Slayer's grab has a decent bit of risk going for it now unless you know the timing. Faust in particular got hit super hard by it, since now he doesn't have strong access to afro and its pressure, along with scarecrow teleports being a waste of meter now (so the move is only good for combos really)
I don't see anything innovative from these new fighting games
>>737295482
>>737327505>because he's still good but that part is extremely retardedThis is the real insufferable part of the patch. Universal system changes do not affect all characters equally, and while characters that were already good lost one tool, ones that were already bad can lose major parts of their kit. Like >>737327568 brings up, how this change affects Faust has really gutted my motivation to keep playing the game. I loved his strike/throw game. There was something just so extremely satisfying about when you finally get that opening, you scuttle in like a maniac with Faust's run, and now they have to guess on what you're doing. Do they risk either counterhit c.S that gives Faust some of his best combos, or 236H grab that sets up afro pressure and potential 4-way mix.It's technically still there, kinda, but now I'd have to really lab until I build a habit of either the required timing or of the spacing where 236H is out of throw range, and being asked to do that is just sucking the life outta me. It also sucks because like, I see elsewhere there's a lot of people saying that "Faust is so GOOD this patch!!!" and I just have no fucking clue what they're talking about when the only positive change in return seems to be that trumpet is a lot stronger. Like great, 14% of the time, Faust becomes a character when he does item toss. Phenomenal.
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>>737329435Ingrid with the worst fucking hat ever must be part of someone at Capcom who decided SF6 sucks trying to make it as bad as possible.
>>737329776Why does sf6 invoke so much seething? Is it just the same old tale of success breeding jealousy?
>>737329952the game is offensively ugly
>>737328809>Universal system changes do not affect all characters equallyI fully agree and I have this exact thought over Wild Assault as wellFor example I play Testament and a big part of the matchup against Johnny is he just could not do Mist Finer on block unless he was extremely spaced outYou would consistently punish it with fS>Wild Assault, and they had brought down the scaling on WA so much that the combo was super short anywayNow either you can't punish it with anything other than fS into RPSing your life on the following cancel, or 5H that just sends him back and doesn't really let you setup anythingSome characters just didn't get adjusted enough to compensate the system nerfsI feel like overall 2.0 didn't really address the actual issues in the balance by compressing towards the healthier mid-tiers, but instead just brought everyone down equally, making some characters feel worse to playPlaying against Potemkin and having to gap him twice as many times as before because all your combos do less damage and his health is intact is not a fun way to balance this game
>>737329952Maybe it's the slime meter boiling every match down to who has more green. Maybe it's the intentional removal of even the most fundamental meterless confirms in favor of spending more slime to make a hit actually combo. Maybe it's the flood of character specific buffs even on already well established characters. Maybe it's just a shitty game and people expect a Street Fighter game to be better.
>>737330326Right. And what's a good game?
>>737330462Terraria
Which one should I buy if I suck at the genre?
>>737318253It's literally a cash grab on the back of the DOA7 announcement anyone who thinks otherwise is shit brained.
>>737331109Whichever one you think looks like the most fun.
>>737331109all those anime fighting games are shit
>>737331109CF is way easier than Xrd to find players to get a match with, and imo its tech system is way more intuitive than Xrd having 2 knockdown timings per character depending on what knocked down + air techingZero fucking clue about what's happening in KOF
why do people not play p4a again
>>737331109All those are bad
>>737326809It's funny because no, pot doesn't give a shit, it hits him least hard out of the command grab characters because pot buster has twice as much range as grab so he's just not throwable 85% of the time while command grabbing you anyway>>737331109I like Xrd most, and it might be the easiest of the three to get into. Never played KoF but you have to learn 3 characters to have a team even if they're simpler individually, and Blazblue is a little executionally easier than Xrd on average but the combos are way longer and more starter specific, and there's way more character specific gimmicks and knowledge checks so there's quite a bit more to memorize before you can really function.
are there people that actually play fighting games exclusively as a genre? Like I have about 5 or 6 fighting games that I like to play, some more seriously than others, but they are all years old and of IP's that actually interest me. If a new fighting game comes out and the IP doesn't interest me I'm not even giving it a second thought. Like are there people that genuinely look at stuff like granblu (furry anime), DBZ, Avatar, Invincible vs etc and play it regardless of the if they actually like the ip or not. It's just baffling to me.and also the need to constantly play against other people online. like people refuse to play old games because "they are dead online" and even straight up refuse to play against the computer to learn the game at all. I just dont get it.
>>737330462Street Fighter 4. It's pretty easy to see with a game so similar that they constantly fucked up every time they tried something different. How have you not been banned for using a cat avatar?
>>737332080I've played a few actual Discord fighters where I would specifically go outside the normal matchmaking to set up a fight. If you want to be the best in the world at a given game, you don't need a second game. Most people have more realistic intentions than that, though, so even if they practice a bit to get better, they'll still stop playing when it gets boring.
>>737331109Might as well give Rising a try.
>>737331582Can't speak for others but I would have loved to have gotten into P4A with friends but we ended up getting into UNI2 instead.
>>737332080I hate to break it to you but its always been about popularity. Newfags don't know any better because they have no frame of reference, since the companies are trying to get money and only advertise the new thing. But worse is that they're not committed enough to enjoy the game for what it is and are looking for something fun to complete, not improve on.That's why SF gets to pass by with ugly models and uneven balance or with strive with dumbed down gameplay that blow out newfags' minds. 2xko is doing so poorly not because of the gameplay (it matters of course), but its not different enough from the already popular games so why would anyone try it out
>>737332626>2xko is doing so poorly not because of the gameplay (it matters of course), but its not different enough from the already popular games so why would anyone try it outthis is some highly retarded level of cope when everyone is criticizing the degenerate tagslop gameplay, mediocre balance and lack of charactersif this wasn't criticism, that much delusion would make me think i'm reading a sajam post
>>737331109None of those. Not because they're bad games, but because anyone still playing those are definitely not a beginner or bad player but rather some autistic player with hundreds if not thousands of hours in it.Unless you have some friends to play with, you should just go with SF 6 or GG ST or something else that is actually alive with an actual functional matchmaking
>>737332532That's the only one I'm playing right now.
>>737332749you honestly believe that if all that happened, everyone would drop the game they're already playing and play 2xko? Cmon you can't be that naive
>>737333035more people would play 2XKO if it was good yes
>>737333075nta but I saw 2xko being hyped up and then checked it out and saw that it was based on league of legends, which I don't care about, so I wouldn't even give it a chance if it was good. I'm not sure why they thought LoL players would play it considering it's an entirely different genre of game.
>>737333248>I'm not sure why they thought LoL players would play it considering it's an entirely different genre of game.i dont think they do, the game got zero cross-promotion with league, ads were only in the riot client and everyone just uses the league launcher
>>737333035>if (nothing he actually said) happened, (nothing he said).If 2XKO was a 1on1 fighter with twice as many characters and good balance, way more people would play it.
>>737333075case in point >>737332796, the games could be good or great but why worry about that when you are facing sweats and just want to tinker with buttons. SF6 and Strive are the common denomination slop that fulfills all the newfags basic needs
>>737303984If you can't afford to buy every single poster in this thread a copy of Invincible VS then you're poor too.
>>737332080i go through phases where i only play fighting games
>>737331582P4U was outdated because there was a 2.0 update that was only on arcades for a while, plus the PC ports had no rollback.Also Shadow Characters being absolutely fucking busted.
>>737335254oh I assumed pc had rollback when they released it
>>737335423Rollback was added a couple years back.Apparently the PS4 crowd is more active than PC, but I can't verify that.
>>737295482>rapist>gets BLACKED>racistis there anything worse than Anissa?
>>737336793kek
>>737336793mvcfags are really something else. They only liked that era of that time when they openly got to thug out
>>737305172And that's a good thing.
Invincible kinda soundin like the new joint desu
>>737335661The black guy fixed her.
There's one more IP that needs a new fighting game.
>>737337216Not to defend MVCfags and thugs but that was the absolute peak of the FGC. Outside of maybe that period from 2009-2015/2016, the FGC was at its absolute peak when those games were out.
>>737337751>more capeshitNo
>>737338461Are you sure about that?
>>737338896Yes
>>737337939>this is the peak of FGChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5CbX8arDxM
>>737339019What a waste.
My wife Azula.
>>737295572Goku Daima is in two days? Oof.
ok i'm really getting into charge characters now, this is peak fighting game
>>737339804>modern controls, old
>>737339804Based
>>737339804>this is peak fighting game>holding down-back for 90% of the match
>>737340206most charge characters have normals that advance them forward so you can still move around while holding on to charge
/sfg/ owns you
>Do better with Jam when I stop trying to play neutral and just Puffball randomly
>>737295572Damn Goku Daima looks cheap.
>>737339536>doesn't show up in the movieHow long until her redemption arc?
>>737331109>KOFXVGet UM games.>Muh pablo that played it for 30 yearsJust play the game faggot.
Street Fighter 6 is on sale.I'm going to be honest I don't think I ever played a fighting game for more than 30 minutes, it just gets stale fast. But somehow I have an itch now. Should I buy it?I also bought Guilty Gear Strive last year but couldn't play for more than 3 hours. Everything is just so SLOW in that game fucking hell. I played SF6's demo and it's much better, modern controls are also great for me
>>737295572he's also animated on 8's instead of on 4's like literally every other character in the game.
>>737343087SF6 really isn't that much faster of a game, but if you are a proper newbie, then SF6 is really your only other option unless you want to delve into something like a SNK or older Arcys fighter which are much faster, but less casual friendly and online is mostly just vets.Also you can go get SF6 off a keysite for around $10 nowadays.
Which fighting game should I play if I desperately want to die and can't take it any more because I have no future and my life is over?
>>737343087Outside of slime rush, SF6 is a slower game than Strive. Maybe give FighterZ a look since it's going to get a player resurgence due to the new dlc.Or wait for that Invincible fighter that comes out in a week.
>>737295195i can't wait for Tōkon. i need a new trailer immediately.
>>737343252>>737343512Wait really? In Strive if I move forward or backwards my character moves at snails pace. In SF6 they handle way faster and feel more responsive although I realized it does not have running
>>737343087It sounds like you want to play an anime fighter.And SF6 is not an anime fighter.
sf6 requires more technical ability than strive these days, some of those links are hard to pull offf
>>737295195Why is every fighting game now execution combo slop with SFDix burnout?
>>737332626>. 2xko is doing so poorly not because of the gameplayIt's absolutely because of gameplay. Tag games are inherently beginner friendly and the devs have shown they can't balance fir shit given they keep trying to nerf Yasuo and Ekko every patch and they're STILL mandatory if you want to compete.
>>737343646>Wait really?If you only played Strive for a few hours, I could see how you'd think it was a slow clunky game. Fighting games speed up the more familiar you become with them, and while Strive doesn't ever reach the speeds of the old GGs, I'd still say it's a bit faster than SF6 due to the mechanics. Although compared to other fighters, both are still slow as shit.Strive has more movement options while SF6 is mostly slow outside of drive rush bursts which are more like near impossible reaction checks rather than a constant.>>737344814The game you want is Samsho, and you didn't play it.
>TokonLooks like slow shit.>Avatar The Fighting GameHas potential to be okay. Doesn't look amazing despite it's astroturfing campaign.>Invincible VSNo potential. Also astroturfed. The Future looks grim. Doesn't help that most modern fighters have added slime-rush mechanics and free 50% damage bnbs off nothing.
>>737344814>execution slop>current fighting gameslmao
>>737344914>The game you want is Samsho, and you didn't play it.I did but I only had PS4/5 and played it until the last vestiges of being able to find matches outside of Discord slipped away. Played Nak, Mina and some times Wan Fu and never felt like I was being bullshitted in losses like I do most other modern games.Unfortunately I have a ten year old laptop and I'm a poorfag so Steam in the hopes of finding slightly more populated shit on PC is out of the question. I can't even play on PS5 anymore because my TV is broke and so am I. Shit sucks.
>>737344984>and free 50% damage bnbs off nothingI'm convinced that anybody who says this hasn't played any fighting game older than SFIV, because getting slapped with a 4 hit combo that shaved off over half your health bar is extremely common in older fighting games.
>>737345084Every fighting game is about rushdown caveman unga into giant combos unless you pick the one OP setplay characte like a faggot. Maybe execution is the wrong word, it's just annoying.
>>737344814>executionkekWhat's even fucking difficult these days? TKs? Oh the humanity
>>737345175I think there's a difference between eating a smal 40-60% combo because you made vs. eating a long 40-60% combo because your opponent hit a light into the party mechanic button.
>>737345257Because you made a mistake I mean.
>>737305172Is the earth that Toph bends stage-dependent? Pretty kino if it is
What should I play? I need something to distract myself from the hellish reality of living with others.
>>737345084>>737345208just because the game is simple to pick up and has easier inputs doesn't mean the games still arent technical. sf6 requires a fuck ton of good execution to play properly, the links and hitconfirms are very easy to drop. the frame data can be very punishing if you're not gawdlike on some characters
>>737343646SF6 is very explosive. Whiffs can be punished by drive rush and half your health bar is gone. But you have to actually play proper footsies to get there or else you just get rolled.
>>737305172This is even funnier since it's latest movie basically feels like one of those Naruto movies too.
>>737345185Your complaint is more about fighting games that have lacking defensive options compared to offense, and that's only really a problem in SF6 and Tekken 8.
>>737345175I guess what I was trying to imply was that in modern fighting games you don't have to work at all for the high damage combos. Combos off lights, suboptimal combos, combos with no resources, simple combos and all do absurd damage. I'm absolutely fine with huge numbers if you have to spend meter, have execution, punish a DP or risky button/special.
>>737345415Strive had the exact same problem. They even removed an entire mechanic to try to address it.>e-erm FD exists acktshually
>>737345415sf6 literally has drive reversal and perfect parries, but i guess you probably never use those
>>737345415I hate parries too so add CotW to that list. Modern SNK games in general are worse offenders than even Dix. I liked tardies in Project Justice and the way you still had to be smart about what move you were doing out of it since if you were doing something slower it wasn't necessarily a free reversal.In fact PJ is a fun game in general even with some of the jank and annoying stuff (Momo c.LP, Roy jab, Hideo in general).
>>737345415What fighting games have good defensive mechanics? Other than your pic of course.
>>737345980elena in sf4 has a pretty good defensive mechanic
>drop sf6 >play johnny in strive >have more fun
>>737346027johnny is fun as shit, especially if you're kinda bad and at low ranks where you can just bully people with mist finers
>>737346027>Strive will probably be the last time Wakamoto will be alive to voice JohnnyI made myself sad.
>>737345415thisThe popular modern fighters figured out that defense is considered lame and gay to casuals. So that's why you're seeing them add meme offense shit to open up people for free along with charge characters going extinct.
drive parry is literally one of the strongest defensive tools in fighting game history i have no idea where you guys are getting the sf6 has no defensive options meme from
>>737345415This is why I'm going to play that invincible game. The KI devs actually give a shit about defense in their games and make it fun.
>>737306795Because Mike Z is likely involved
>>737339536>nail polishwhy the fuck did they ruin her like that?
>>737346176unfortunately SF6's entire pressure/oki meta is strike/throw and parry loses to throwso no matter how strong it is all it can do is swing the pendulum even more towards throwin context it doesn't really matter how strong drive parry is, because it doesn't really give you more options on defense than you had without it, you're still in the same 50/50, all you can do is raise the stakes. Compare it to something like Instant Block and FD which might be less strong on paper but massively change how pressure plays out and give a ton of active control to the player on defense.
>>737295456Big property but Nick is retardedKinda like what happened with Glitch Techs and The FOP sequel. They KNOW what people want, can do it right, but it's like they don't actually care about getting their money's worth out of it
>>737345352>the links and hitconfirms are very easy to dropYou've never played 4 or 5 and it shows.
I fell for the "Strive is now good, 2.0 is a great time to pick it up!" meme. It's just soooo boooring and simplistic. SF6 has its own issues, but it is so far ahead of the competition it's not even funny.
>>737347019It's actually mental how little the game has changed since launch.
>>737347019>but it is so far ahead of the competition it's not even funnyIn every way except gameplay and graphics unfortunately.
>>737347297SF6 hasn't changed at all either. Games don't really change anymore because they revolve entirely around the systems and how the characters exploit or take advantage of them. Do Jive's characters all feel samey te way Dix's characters do?
>SF6fags vs Strivefags
Just bought a leverless, any tips?
>>737348241Play training mode for at least 4 games and then uninstall them and sell your leverless like every other bandwagoner.
>>737348241switch back to levelful
>>737348241Just use it.Find the specific shortcuts you can use for your games with a leverless and abuse those. If you got one with extra buttons, try to find uses for them and don't leave them empty.
>>737348241Admit that you're a bitch.
>>737348395>>737348585I actually bought for 2d games in general, fightans are bonus.
>>737347007its harder to combo in 6 than 5 by far, 4 obviously is the hardest of them all (and the hardest in the sf series by a mile)
Why does nobody look forward to the hidden ones?
how do you deal with neutral jumps in sf6 bit too fucking strong no?
>>737349114that manhua outcast game?
>>737348509Just a side note that Ichijo exclusively services black menOtherwise this is good advice.
>>737331582I think it killed its chance of getting the momentum other games got when they got rollback because they ported it without rollback and then only added it in later, but the time people came to try it was the port rather than the rollback update. The PC port is also quite flawed I believe.
>>737349114in a post covid, discord powered world, hidden fightans are just bound to either die or get flooded by the worst type of people
>People do all sort of autistic stuff on any other fighting game.>Yet KOF is considered the hardest one because uh... you pick 3 charactersWhat? How this is any different from tag fighters?
>>737349550i don't think anyone considers kof to be the hardest fighting game, outside of Angel. most people say its games like MVC2, SF4 or UMVC3 i think
>>737349114Played the alpha test last year, pretty fun for an arena fighter and each characters are different to play though I only play Zhang Chulan the electric guy. Too bad is gacha. What happened to the game anyway? Also gacha arena fighters seems very very niche like does anyone actually knows or play Starward? It's Gundam EXVS at home but instead of mechas it's waifus.
>>737349550It's IP privilege.People will happily buy games like DBFZ and Tokon because they like/know the IPs involved, but when a more unknown game tries to do it suddenly having to learn 3 characters is a problem.See also people saying that CotW/KOF hops are too hard to learn, meanwhile MK11 has those and it sold 15 million copies.
>>737349640>MahvelShit is ridiculous imbalanced. I get that some characters require autismo to play at competitive level but as whole is not really THAT complex.
>>737349550People always make excuses for not playing KOF and don't want to be seen to say that they just don't want to play it, dunno why. It's fine to simply not care for a game.
>>737337751Enjoy your Injustice 3 zoning slop
>>737349550"It's not okay when SNK does it." is a real recent thing I've noticed.FGCfags online will give that company tons of shit for things that other studios do all the time for whatever reason. Funniest thing was seeing people virtue signal about the Saudi ownership, but as soon as they started buying shares in Capcom you saw a bunch of posts like>uhhh it's still okay to support Capcom because the Saudis only own X%.
>>737305172Animation looks fine to be honest, maybe the way the characters slide around could be animated better but aside from that I'm not seeing the complaints people have.
>>737348732It's a shame that leverless is seen as acceptable because of favela dwellers pirating everything and not having enough pesos for real controllers so they play Street Fighter on keyboards.>>737349550The fact the 3 characters thing is intimidating is hilarious because the 3 characters and large roster size means the characters are largely stripped down compared to 1v1 games and a lot of them play the same basic way except every so often you get a grappler or a slightly tricky character like Chizuru. You don't even have to worry abou order since the only thing that mattes is "does this character need a lot of meter to do big damage". If yes, 3rd, if no, 1st, 2nd is basically a filler position.>>737349913To me, the big problem with KoF/CotW is how rushdown oriented they are. It's way too easy for new players to get discouraged because you start a match and Paco or Li are immediately ape hopping in your face and have pushed you into a corner and because KoF has basically had the same basic gameplay forever and CotW borrows heavily from KoF in that regard it becomes really easy for a newbie to feel like they can't do shit. Playing KoF against some Chinaman who's been playing the game since KoF '97 is like a high schooler trying to 1v1 LeBron compared to most other games.
>>737346684Why Diaphone? I like GBVS a lot and I still wouldn't pick him to show off an upcoming game.
>>737350220Yeah kof rushdown is wack, if you don't know how to reset or counter then prepare to get memed hard.At least most of cast is viable on older games.
>>737349550It's gonna be a shame to see SNK go through the Arcsys company arc, but just sped up. I think they probably will hit it big one day, but it's going to come from some shit like KOFXVI being some pretty looking, but horrifically stripped down and shitty version of KOF that grabs the attention of casuals.Then you're going to get niggas online crying nonstop about why SNK would do this, because their games before the one that made them popular were so much better and not designed for retarded babies and etc., etc.
SNK literally only needs good graphics to succeed
>>737350430I think they had something with SamSho honestly, it briefly had everyone's attention for a month or so despite how it looked.
>>737350430what if their samsho soulslike ends up being really good and they never make another fighting game again
>>737305172Show me the skins and I'll buy it.
>>737350503KOFXIII sprites get jerked off to this day and that game almost killed the company because of all the resources they poured into the graphics only to result in still nobody buying it.
>>737349550KOF is definitely easier than Tag Fighters(seriously UMVC3 nearly turns into a 1 player game after 1 touch), but I don't think anyone ever said that. I've seen that opinion for old Guilty Gear, old Virtua Fighter, and UMVC3.KOF can be hard because at times because newbies have to check hopping when the risk/reward is extremely skewed towards the guy jumping in your face like a crackhead. He gets a 30% damage combo at minimum or a jumping CD while you get a jab or a chunkier crouch normal or DP if you have the right read
>>737350651>2D hand drawn fighting game>skins
>>737350721They keep falling for the meme of needing to be big budget. They really just need some competent 3D modelers who know how to make stuff beyond the PS3 and better fucking art direction which includes character designs.
there is nothing more miserable than playing against a morrigan in mvc3. i'm shocked this game is still alive, its one of the most soul sucking fighting games of all time
>>737350430>KOFXVI being some pretty looking, but horrifically stripped down and shitty version of KOF that grabs the attention of casuals.That already happened with KoFXV except without the pretty looking and grabbing the attention of casuals part.
>Koreans>then the Chinese>then the SaudisWho's gonna buy out SNK the next time they go bankrupt? Indians?
>>737350908KOFXV tried to make things easier, but it was still way too hard for casuals.They need to remove more and make it slower.
>>737350992the saudis are the endgame
>>737350992The general hope is that the company just gets liquidated and Capcom buys all their IPs.
>>737295195Did you forget American media dominates the globe? There are 1 million subscribers channels on YouTube and chink internet of Japanese/Chinese dubbers translating American TV.
>>737350992If it does go on sale again it'll probably be Netflix Games or some shit that'll buy it
>>737351008Nigga what the fuck movesets got dumbed down hard, play something like UM then XV later.Ton of characters are downright unplayable.
>>737295365>First post>No replies after 230+ postsTruly forgotten
>>737351252Tfw all characters have the same qcb hcf CD input for their climax super.
>>737351252nta but a constant reason you saw people say about why they weren't playing KOFXV was because it was too hard.It may be dumbed down shit in your eyes, but to the casual it was still advanced calculus.
>>737295195People love CapeKINO.
>>737351481>Game got dumbed down 4 fucking times>Still too hard plz make ezier.
Why do fighting games need to be changed for people that don't play?
>>737350871I've never played mvc3 but morrigan looks really satisfying to play to methe rhythm of her spam looks like it would be fun to dial out, like mindlessly playing scales on a piano
>>737352050>Studios need money to justify making more fighting games>Money comes from sales>Majority of sales for a fighting game come from people that don't play or do so casually>People that don't play will only give a fighting game a try if you dumb it down enough so that they don't have to worry about getting filtered immediately>Also you need to have flashy graphics and/or a notable IP for the game>If your game gets a rep for being hard, it might get praise from a couple thousand hardcore FGCfags, but that's not nearly enough to make a project profitableComplex gameplay might keep the dedicated players around longer, but it'll also keep people from walking through the door in the first place. Arcsys completely shifted away from what made GG players like their games for example, but it was 100% worth it because the new wave of casuals Strive brought it completely dwarfed the old GG fanbase. So if your fighter game isn't selling, there's zero reason to keep making games that appeals to the audience that is playing them.
>>737351008Unironically I do think that XVI needs to move away from the pure rushdown combo slop the series has been since 13 and allow slightly different playstyles for characters. Dial down the combos, remove EXes and DM chaining, give some actual defensive options besides jabs for dealing with hopping, making hopping the default jump as well.Also actually impelement a good fucking tutorial mode that explans the game, mechanics and everything and goes through each characters' movelists that includes various situations you'd use the moves in, gives you actual practical BnB combos and shit. Bad tutorials I think are a big problem that fighting games have, even SF6 is barely better than the "press up to jump and do some combos" shit it's been since SF4. Hell, you know what'd be cool? Do like VF4 Evo did and have actual match vids you can watch but have some pros narrating them and breaking them down so newbies can actually understand what's happening in a practical way. Don't just go "oh well they can go to Youtube for that", fuck that put it in the game instead of making them search it out. More broadly, do things to discourage the Discordization of the genre like fags hoarding tech in their gay Discords (KoF fans are real bad with this). You don't need to dumb shit down, just emphasize fundamentals over systems and properly explain the damn games for the new players you're trying to grab and ease them in.Also ranked in fighting should be 10 matches instead of 3. That was something I liked when playng CFC2.
>>737352472Casuals don't do the tutorial mode.Did you not see what happened during the Invincible VS Beta?
>>737352580>Did you not see what happened during the Invincible VS Beta?No, I couldn't give two shits about Slopvincible or KI so I have no reason to ever look at or think about that game.
>>737352580thisThe actual first step for a successful fighting game is to either make it so you can mash buttons and get a bunch of cool flashy shit to happen, or it needs to have some spectacle mechanic in it like MK Fatalities.Then single player needs to be robust and maybe then you can start worrying about the tutorials.
>>737352684Well you should care, because it makes for a great case study and example for why your idea wouldn't do shit for bringing in casuals. That beta brought in a ton of people that anons itt are talking about, the casual who rarely if ever touches fighting games. And the end result was a mass rage quit epidemic so bad and widespread that it became a meme during a beta that only lasted a couple of goddamn days.
>>737352050because black zoomers are abhorrent people and want every single fighting game to be easy safe and boring because they grew up with bad games like dbz
>>737352952Well you know, they won't have a choice if they're forced to play the tutorial when they start the game for the first time and if they don't complete it the game deletes itself, they're money is gone and they're left with a screen of Daigo calling them gay.
>>737352397But we are not CEOS or executives at said companies. Wouldn't it be better if games were made for people that like complex Gameplay even if they don't sell? Not like it matters the damage is already done, all modern fighters are in a terrible state
>>737352684Context
>>737353139 i want to fucking die now how are these people real
>>737353139grim
>>737353139>Where's the Any key?
>>737353139>this is he audience modern fighting games must account for and sell their product to
>>737353139you know what in retrospective this explains why sf6 and tekken 8 are so popular , that's the main audience right there
>>737353139Suddenly SNK games being massively unpopular makes way more sense.
>>737353139>anons being surprised by thisHave you niggas not seen the countless threads on this board over the years talking about how z-motions are literally impossible? The average casual has the IQ of a brick with none of the patience.
>>737353139tbf the game should tell you what the assist button is before putting you in an assist tutorial
>>7373327492xko and CotW don't have enough oomph to make people even try these games. Gameplay is secondary for most consumers. Just look at the visuals and sound and stages and animations (the way characters interact during attacks). Don't analyze every pixel or design choice too much, just *take a glance* at these games. Notice the lack of excitement?>>737349550The only hard thing about KoF is doing hops on a dpad. That's why you never play KoF on a dpad in my opinion.
>>737353442I really feel like people have gotten dumber. I could do DPs and HCFs and 360s when I was like 7. And I'm an old faggot who was 7 when SF2 was literally a new game and the only "training mode" the SNES version had was doing a Vs. match with nobody using the other controller. How are these dipshits unable to do a simple DP if my retarded ADHD 2nd grade pre-internet ass could do them?
Reverse Flynn Effect
>>737353636It's less an intelligence thing, and more that people have lower attention spans + more than enough choices on hand at all times.Why would they want to waste their time playing something that needs 1000 hours of training mode to get good at when they could just finish multiple other games in that same time span?
>>737353959ashcshually the phone and the low attention span is turning the kids gay and dumbhttps://youtu.be/G-cdVurdoeA?si=i6t2Q8kiJoqekbXo&t=234Not only they don't want to play complex games they probably can't play them anyways
>>737349550Well for one, other tag fighters don't necessarily cap meter for the first character and progressively unlock more of it as you lose them.There's no swapping in KoF nor assists.
>>737353636people can still do these, they just think they can't. (it took me a long time to realize how to do a dp myselt though because i completely misread the input for years kek). i think if modern teens got into shit like mvc2 they would break that game even more than it currently is but most of them just play the new stuff. this new gen of gamer kids are way more psycho than anything before them at execution and reaction time because they were literally learning about frame data and shit when they were like 9 years old
>>737349752All the sources I can find say it's not gacha. I didn't play it myself, so wondering how you got that conclusion.
>>737296102Make Galleon's air command grab hit crouching opponents.Right meow.
>>737353221kek
>DSP quits SF6End of an era.
>>737295195>Mahvel Tokon>Avatar The Fighting Game>Invincible VSthey all look like shit, visually, gameplaywise, and spiritually.
>>737355467t. Capcultist still mad about no MvC 4Tokon looks neat
>>737355728Actually, I'm episcopalian
>>737355728do 'capcultists' even exist anymore? crapcom hasnt made anything good in almost a decade now
>>737355794capcom doesn't need good visuals, gameplay, or balance. all it needs is HOIYPE
>>737353139Christ
>>737355794>do 'capcultists' even exist anymore?Saying this when SF6 is by far the most popular fighting game out right now (and said group is notorious for refusing to play anything but SF) and /v/ has 24/7 Pragmata and Resident Evil threads is an odd choice anon.
>>737353139Why are people stupid?
>>737352397the way fighting games are, it makes really no business sense to make them, lets say you make an amazing fighting game thats perfect and people are gonna stick to it for a long period of times, and you decide to make another fighting game a new ip because you are good at making them, making more means more sales, but now your new ip is actively competing against your old fighting game,if your fighting game is good enough to get giga sweats playing it 24/7 its also a bad for you kind of, because of the nature of the genre those sweats will never let newer people play and actively repel them.desu after looking at the money that gacha games pull, i feel like for video games in general, the only reason a lot of companies are still making regular games because they have captured some niche, and are probably making them as passion projects and shit, newer companies have 0 reason to not go for gacha games,
>>737300628>>737300734Already happened in grand finals of a tournament with a prize poolhttps://www.twitch.tv/tampaneversleeps/clip/AbrasiveBrightStrawberryTBTacoRight-6DUq1qCu1XjkAFtL
>>737356476japan dick sucker, he said if 2xko was not a tag fighter he would have shilled it, but lets be real he shits on it only because its not japanese, since he was eating that slop, and shilling like the good goy he is for the nip jews when it came to boobertag
I am surprised no one made a love service slop fightan. Considering the season passes, its already halfway there anyway.
>>737356705>love service
>>737356498>newer companies have 0 reason to not go for gacha gamesThat was true for a time, but that market is way too saturated now. Sure, you're going to have some of those hail marys work out, but a majority of gacha games end up like that Sakura Wars one were you end up setting millions on fire.Fighting games in comparison are pretty cheap to make compared to other genres, and the season pass model makes them a long term money maker granted the game initially sells well. And that's not even mentioning costume dlc, lobby avatar shit, etc.
>>737356705Is that not what 2XKO is?
>>737355728kek true
>>737353487Rebinding your controls in fighting games is a regular thing and a good chunk of people playing them aren't using a controller that have standard console notations.Giving me a prompt that says "Press R1 to use Assist 1" is fucking worthless because my stick doesn't have a R1 button.
>>737352397I wouldn’t say worth it really, considering the type it attracted. The quality is much lower too. If sales are all you look at maybe but definitely not otherwise.
>>737356628based jiyuna as always
>>737353139Isn't there a button display option in the game or he's the type that didn't go to the option menu whatsoever? Either way this is embarrassing.
>>737353139Yeah these are the people they make games like strive and sf6 for and they’re still too retarded
>>737353139>This is the anon on /v/ that's telling you that fighting games suck because they're impossible to get into
>>737353139can you niggas stop posting this nigg*r
>>737356580>Jack is one of the few HC players that makes him interesting to watch because of his strong footsies/defense>rework HC to make him even less interactive>Jack now just sits fullscreen and locks people in un-interactive sequencesI understand chasing the bag but fuck arcsys for letting this happen this way
>>737349550it is harder because the inputs is less lenient than they are in other fighters
>>737349550show us you doing few of thesehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wUjrMggAx8
>>737355467Tokon looks KINO.
>>737349550you know how dead space had to put signs and dialogue everywhere about how headshots dont work & you need to dismember enemies because every group of playtesters kept trying to play it like a pop-the-heads zombie game?casuals think kof is just shitty street fighter so they play it like shitty street fighter and get facefucked to death
>>737359412Jack was not interesting to watch, no Chaos was. I'd still rather watch even this new Chaos because at least there's a novelty to how broken he is now instead of being the same boring overpowered character we've had to see for years now.
>>737359412>>737359746I kind wish they’d just make up their minds on him because he’s an interesting concept and him and Leo are the only ones I’m interested in learning in strive
>>737357127>>737357767Are you guys this disconnected? Normalfags do not browse menus to customise the game to their liking. They go straight to playing the game and expect the game to teach them everything. This is what the mythical "casual audience" looks like
i just got ragequitted on for the first time ever in sf6, do you know if you get to keep the rank? i was on a bit of a losing streak, matched with this marisa and she smoked me, then ended up matching her again and completely outplayed her and even got a perfect round but right when i won they ragequit against me and i was about to rank up.... do i still get the rank up?also if silver was full of ryus, gold is full of marisas who spam their charge punch and drive impact
>>737360323No, you don't get any points, but you don't lose any either
>>737346176but with throwenloopen being extremely low risk outside of very specific matchups (where calling it out is usually pretty high risk) it's much harder to get out of offense and even return to neutral without a hard correct callout. a parry is a committal callout. a jump is a committal callout. meanwhile in soive you can just sit there and try to IBFD a few things and feel comfy in returning to a better position. in sf6 being cornered by any character feels like getting knocked down by a setplay mix character
>>737305172This game will be more popular than strive
>>737359746I completely disagree, there's footage of him playing some other characters and he's still fun to watch, probably even more so because he can't get full conversions into Deus Ex Machina off any whiff punish>>737360170He's still similar to his previous iteration
>>737360630Is he? I thought he can’t use the gun between normals anymore like Izanami?
>>737360630Him being fun to watch on other characters doesn't make him fun to watch on Chaos. The backtracking on how awful Chaos was both to watch and fight just because the new one sucks too. They were right to change him, the only time the character was ever any fun to watch was when he was brand new and the novelty hadn't worn off yet. Of course they need to change him even more than they have, but that his rework is bad doesn't mean the old version was good.
>>737360713He can, he just needs for it to already be out. He used to be able to take the gun out in the middle of normals, or any other action, before, now he's much more limited in when he can equip it.
there's a part of me that hates chaos but thinks that he should be preserved vaguely as he was because he's a part of the game's history and an interesting if fucked up character function. it's not like he single-handedly ruins the game, he loses all the time, he's just hateable.i have also wanted a proper sequel to strive for years now though so i'm not thinking super hard about the competitive health of the game
>>737360713He still canWhat they changed is previously you'd press H and that would pull the gun out anytime (including during a normal) and then you could shoot, or you could do 236S which was +2 on block and launched on hitNow if you press H, it does what used to be his old 236S special but with worse frame data (-2, doesn't launch very high), and it takes about a whole second for him to be able to shoot>>737360774That's opinions at this pointI agree the old HC was cancerous, I just think the new one is still cancerous, and now even less fun to watch
>>737360804Hmmm I’ll see how it looks after they fix the infinite. How’s Leo?
>>737360906Leo's always good and has never deviated much from his basic design.
>>737360885Is it hard to get it out at all? Like once they remove the infinite do you think he’ll still be decent and able to get his gameplan going?
Anyone up for some Fightcade?We can all meet up in some empty room like AoF3.
>>737360962Right now????
>>737360956I don't think so, it's just you have to RPS around -2 with backdash, curse, 6P or holstering the gun and blocking, as opposed to previously where it was kinda guarenteedWorth noting that now, it fully locks onto your opponent and they cannot run away from the reticle like they used to, so if it locks your opponent is even more fucked
>>737360962Fuck you nigger you never reply back
>>737360209I was just explaining why most fighting games default to showing the input, rather than whatever button the action is when you do stuff like combo trials or tutorials. Get that casuals can be retarded, but I don't think you need to have a tutorial section for each button and the corresponding action.>Lesson 1 - A is light kick>Lesson 2 - B is light punch>Lesson 3 - X is heavy punch>Lesson 4 - Y is heavy kickThat would just be unnecessary and insulting to their intelligence. I agree that tutorials could be better but at some point you can't expect the game to teach you literally fucking everything, and you'll have to do some work on your own like figuring out which button does what.
>>737361691Here's the thing, you and I both know we can change button UI in the settings menu, but think about it from a casual's perspective. They only play games that show controller/key input prompts, so they'd ignorant to the fact that you can even change them. Casuals do not like browsing menus, why do you think subtitles always being on became the default? That's why it's better to just show controller buttons, casuals won't be confused and anyone using a fightstick/hitbox would already know that they can change button UI in the settings.
Imagine getting a potentially game-fixing balance patch, then God said...Happy Chaos
You can pick any character to Marvel Tokon from Marvel.Who do you pick.
>>737353139Impressively retarded.
>>737362790Dominomake her Faust like
>>737362709>Arcsys concludes it as an "oversight">Arcsys says they'll patch it out after EVO Japan>mfw
>>737362929Can't EVO just add a rule like>Hey, if you use HC and do this exploit the device didn't intend to have in the game, you're getting DQ'd.
>>737363050That’s only for meme games like smash
>>737363050>device*devs
>>737362790agent venom as one of them new fancy grappler/zoner hybrids
>>737362929To be fair, they can't just do a hotfix change this soon. These things need to be certified on consoles, specifically Xbox.>>737363050Also too late since EVO Japan is next weekend. Had the 2.0 patch released any later, the tournament would have playing using pre-patch version of the game.
>>737353115but i'm not an old players so why should i care if they don't cater to you animore?
>>737363417Nta but I started playing well after strive was a thing and I still could tell +R was better and just stayed on it. Liking good games isn’t exclusive to old players.
What games are most alive in yurop?
>>737363626>yuropThey just play truck simulators.
>>737363598cool but i like strive more
>>737295482sexo
>>737363626unironically dbfz (i think tekken is big in eu too)
>>737356705brawlhalla is the only live service fighting game that worked because>smash clone, easy to do all primary functions just by moving around, just like smash>can be played as a party game just like smash>its cheaply made, every character has flash/pivot animation and are all the same with minor stat differences accounting only for weapons that can drop throughout a match>its available on literally everything, especially phones>was able to secure crossover skins repeatedly and easily thanks to the cheap production values of the charactersa true live service F2P fighting game with the traditional SF2 skeleton underneath it is very difficult to justify. as others have already said in the thread, the only reason casuals ever spend money on a fighting game release is to look at the shiny shit and do the story, it would be extremely bad if they could do both of these things without paying for future content and passes that they cant utilize because they aren't playing regularly. this is why Tekken 8's pass is so incredibly low budget with nothing special in it
>>737363730Cool I think it’s kinda boring though
i wonder if gore is the key to popularity lol. invincible vs is looking to punch way above its weight and i wonder if its because it has EPIC BLOOD
I am happy my grandblue slop is still alive Chilling on B rank
>>737296252>the beta was pretty popular.It was mostly just casuals rage quitting >>737299237>mortal kombat syndromeI dont think the Invincible brand holds the same power as MK. I can see it maxxing out at sub 5k players on steam and then everyone dropping it a week later
>>737363902I wouldn't call that game "alive", I'd say it's barely scrapping by
>>737364039it lasted longer than most, but its clearly heading towards the end of its lifespan now
>>737364039Definitely alive since it’s a fighting game
>>737364039Still finding some noobs like myself on lower ranks
I get it's niche but I'm genuinely surprised a mecha fighting game hasn't been popping off yet. I blame Bandai Namco for locking Gundam Vs series in japan arcade only
>>737364143Longer than most of what, a doujin fighter like UNI?>>737364215The game's ranked is unironically fucked since they changed it. Everyone is either A or below or Master. S to S++ are fucking barren wastelands, especially if you're EU.
>>737363895I mean most of the players in the open beta are MK fans hence the amount of rage quits.
>>737364278there's this which is still getting updates but I assume the SD artstyle puts people offhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2463800/Iron_Saga_VS/
>>737311464>Tokon will only last as long as DBFZ and Mahvel players are able to convince themselves this is a follow up to bothSo it'll die within in month
>>737364424>So it'll die within in monthYeah, it'll die just like Strive, just one more month
>>737364336>S to S++ are fucking barren wastelands, especially if you're EU.Really huh good thing I suck balls and stuck on b shitter rank
>>737364403has to be, sad fact about fighters is now the IP sells/boosts the game no matter how stale it can be, i seen "fighting " fans aka capcom/bandai/ aSW shill play the big games but never even touch Iron Saga, Thems fightan herds, ect. i dont think many people want to play invincble Vs but the ip is gonna make people try it.
>>737364601I ain’t gonna play a damn pony fighting game
>>737364601>sad fact about fighters is now the IP sells/boosts the game no matter how stale it can beYour HxH Nen Impact sir?
>>737363895Nah, the game is just looking to be popular because the show is really popular atm.Can't really think of any western animation that has more of the public's attention that Invincible right now. It's also starting to get some attention overseas as well.
>>737364403>zeroymerkek isn't this the manga where the dude's dead wife reincarnates into a loli or something and the main bad guy wants to steal his wife and he's like NOOOO FUCK U
>>737364734It can only carry so much
>>737364734turns out hxh isn't that popular, apparently that new shitass bleach game has a ton of players on console and like none on pc. shounen guys are the japanese ball and gun gamer
>>737364734HxH isn't that popular anon.
>>737365029HxH is one of the most popular mangas easily, it outsold everything else last time it came back
>>737364953>>737365029>>737365164>>737364601Bullshit. You're telling me Granblue who was technically almost a literal who IP was more popular than HxH?
Nobody played this game but I want to describe how much depth in this game is based on just character choices and how this is one of my favorite fighting games. It's a 2v2 game where each "character" in the game cost points to use based on 1500-2000-2500-3000, your team has a limit of 6000 points. If you die and you don't have the points, you'll respawn with a huge health debuff. For example, if you and your partner is 3000/2500 and your 3000 dies, your 3000 partner will respawn with like 100HP (when they typically have 650-800HP). You have to already balance which mobile suit to use based on you and your partner's playstyle. If you use a higher level suit, you're more suited to "front" and do more damage while being the shield. If you use a lower powered suit, you're more suited to support and protect from the back range or distracting to help front more. With a shit ton of suits/playstyles, there's so much heavy variance in matches that despite the simple controls, games can play out VERY differently.tldr; Lose -> All thanks to you! All thanks to you! All thanks to you!
>>737364642Retard
>>737365605this just reminds me that square enix completely fumbled dissidia by basing it off of those gundam games and then making something worse on every single metric they possibly could
>>737364642But it's fun.
>>737365268Granblue was made by Arcsys. HxH's game looks like trash and plays like trash because it is eightingslop
>>737365715>somethingeverything*
>>737365605I hate that were technically stuck with MBON. You either emulate EXVS2 OB on PC or fly to Japan.
>>737365820So then it's the devs, and the visuals that sells/boosts the games.
>>737365903Eh, I heard the balance got work and the new mechanics were kinda dumb. MBON felt almost perfect with balance and mechanics. I mean sure there was a "meta" (3000/2500 or 2500/2500) but you could still always play off meta. My favorite was playing either the GP01 or Freedom Gundam and just pew pewing all over the place. Shit was so fun. Anyone have the image of the Burning/God Gundam going FLYYYYYYYING IN THE SKY. Shit was unironically so fun to play, I regret selling my ps4 so much.
>>737366004>visuals that sells/boosts the games.Yes. Nobody wants to play a game that looks like shit from a developer who's known to make nothing but shit
>>737364510You di realize Strive exploded due to covid abd the fact that it was the only fighting game with functional rollback right?
>>737365029>apparently that new shitass bleach game has a ton of players on consoleSource: Dude trust me
>>737366649i don't know how i would be able to confirm that as i don't own a ps5, but the ps5 version still gets constant updates and patches and the pc one is abandoned kek
>>737365268HxH is more popular just the game itself didn’t look good
>>737366884Wdym, PC version still got Yhwach same as PS5 and last update was 5 months ago.
>>737365605The thing I like most about this game is that it solves almost every "problem" people have with fighting games sorta>Lack of unique game statesyeah not happening with 100+ mobile suits and a lot of combinations.>Hard to learnNot really. You got 4 attack buttons that are on a cooldown and then movement + boost. There's a lot of linear suits that are insanely easy to learn and help new players learn the game while also not feeding. (GP01 / Freedom)>High skill ceilingDefinitely, there's some movement tech and other tech where you can really extend your combos. Good teamwork also really helps you win.>Great game to bring in parties.It's like Smash, but less tryhard since there's more universal options to help low skilled players without stupid comeback mechanics.
>>737365605>>737367445>Wow, anons make this came sound really coo->Arena Fighter
>>737366592Killer Instinct?Skull Girls?Battle for the Grid?SFV? (lol)Off the top of my head.
>>737367570And?
>>737367570Hey man atleast this game has tourneys and was shown on EVO too.
strive will outlive tokon. It is the only ip in recent times that managed to carve for itself a die hard fanbase of obsessed mentally ill autists, and we know how powerful that is. They won't move on to anything else. Meanwhile the mahvel fags are too few and the marvel casuls will drop the game after getting raped non stop for the first week
>>737367667>SFVnever forgetti that a fan fixed SFV's rollback in a day or two which caused Capcom to get butthurt and released their own patch that broke it even more and fucked over people using the fan patch.
>>737367667>Killer Instinct?The game that was close to a decade old and dead?>Skull Girls?The game that was over a decade old and dead?>Battle for the Grid?LmaoYou couldn't have picked worse examples
>>737367821I think Strive will continue to be around after Tokon's release, but Tokon will have to fuck up pretty bad to not be successful.
>>737367667MK11 had rollback too.
>>737368004i did not say it won't be successful but it will drop players faster than dbfz and won't have the same staying power (marvel is not as popular worldwide). Meanwhile strive will always stay aroung the same numbers
>>737366592Strive just had a really fortunate time to release. I honestly think if they made it a good game it would've still sold as much if not more.
>>737368520strive 2.0 launch surpassed the game initial launch by a lot. Deal with it chuddy the game is good and people like it
>>737368520>I honestly think if they made it a good game it would've still sold as much if not more.Rev 3 would've crushed Tekken 8 on evov japan's signups. what happened with the Strive Anime anyways ?
>>737364735True, but the show is only popular because it's gory superman.
>>737369423>rev3xrd can't even muster 100 players world wide after rollback. What makes you think people want to play that?
is d4vd forever cancelled because feel it is probably the best music in a superhero show i've seen.
>>737367843> it was the only fighting game with functional rollback>Actually it wasn't>Proceeds to move goalpost>>737368030MKX too, I forgot about them
>>737369331>strive 2.0 launch surpassed the game initial launch by a lot.No it didn't. And it didn't even come close to its peak
>>737369504>What makes you think people want to play that?Nips and Gooks, GG had a big playerbase on Korea.>5.6 score for strive anime imdbGG is not mainstream enough for normies, what a stagned franchise.
>>737295195Invincible > Tokon > AvatarInvincible will be the best, Tokon will be alright and Avatar is going to be kusoge for sickos
>>737369809>GG had a big playerbase on Korea.Why aren't they playing Rev2?
>>737369809japs only play sf6 with modern and they complain strive is too hard. The new gen gamers would never touch xrd. Korea plays strive
>>737369809So that's why it has korean dub. It's funny Kum hasn't been on Strive yet and NO XX KOREAN OST.
>>737367667>SFV? (lol)Coincidentally, SFV's best years were during the pandemic
>>737369980>NO XX KOREAN OSTRobo KY update will finally deliver it for sure this time.
>>737369715>Proceeds to list games that were all dead as a gotcha
>>737369715>Actually it wasn't>lists dead games that had rollback for years as a gotcha
>>737370465>>737370515You were wrong, keep coping.
>>737370906You are severely autistic
>>737371146>Says the guy screeching because he was proven wronglol
>>737371197You're literally the only person who cares
>>737304330>an Invincible game that would normally get ignored now has a good chance of being better than the biggest fighting gamestbf that's not much of an accomplishment considering the state of most modern fighting games at the moment.
>>737370906The point of the argument was to prove that Strive's success was entirely due to circumstances outside of its quality and all you did was list a bunch of dead games which had rollback but didn't have the same level of success thus proving his point.
>>737371409>Still cryinglol
>>737304330>an Invincible game that would normally get ignored now has a good chance of being better than the biggest fighting games.People have been shitting on that game though and normies wont latch on to it
>>737371545>He still cares
>>737371556>People have been shitting on that game thoughYou mean retards like >>737353139 ?
>>737359596I have that game, never played it online or anything I literally only played the combo trial modes. I kinda miss needlessly difficult combo trials.
>>737371802UNI2 sends their regards.
>>737371516Except it wasn't. People only still play the game because they like it, and you had people saying "X game is going to kill Strive" for years, and even they eventually gave up. No one is denying that rollback didn't help the game, but to say that it's success is entirely because of rollback is just plain stupid. >all you did was list a bunch of dead games which had rollback but didn't have the same level of successRetard
>>737369980>It's funny Kum hasn't been on Strive yet Kum kinda appeals to no oneIt's a mecha but also doesn't look like a mechaIt's not actually a cool old man but a small girlIt's not actually a cute girl it's a big old manI kinda hate it because the steerable fireballs are a really cool concept and I think the character is neat
>>737372050>zappa is only top 3 in one region>guestslop did better across the boardnu-ggfags continue to be big gay
>>737372237what GG player on this earth is like 'god damn i want zappa back'zappa players??
>>737372543why do niggas hate zappa so damm hard? did you really get so filtered hard by him?
>>737372543>he doesn't like ghost/possessed fightersNever reply to me again.
>>737372543Fuck you buddy, Zappa is based.
>>737372543>Only character in the whole damm series with actual technical shit and any type of depth>HURR DURR WE HATE HIMNo wonder -Strive- was designed as empty shallow game because of drooling retartds like you
>>737305172Avatar fucking won, I just went through this entire thread and this was the most interesting to me
>>737372543i hate zappa but i want his ghost gf recognized by the fans. if does comeback, my pot is prepared
>>737372793it's funny to me that zappa players think they're good at the game when the character wins neutral automatically by getting hit or whiffing DP
>>737365605https://store.steampowered.com/app/2764370/Starward/
>>737372924>it's funny to me that zappa players think they're good at the gameThis anon got his ass beat by a Zappa player and is still seething.
I'm playing fighting games to cum, bro.Where do I get my fix?
>>737372924Nobody here is talking being good with Zappa, bitch. You see that shit. Yoshimitsu is fucking cool and i love watching Yoshimitsu. I would love watch Zappa but you drooling retards be like ''hurr durr i love trans no zappa''.No wonder oyur 2.0 patch died so fast when people remember how fucking shallow and empty game -Strive- is with the most braindead drooling fanbase.
Everybody loves Zappa until he summons the dog and locked you.
>>737362790Necroko
>>737373043>watching>watchOh shit, we've got an old-school GG fan here!
>>737373118>summons pic>ggs shake my hand
>>737372793he's obnoxious as fuck to play against and he's not going to be technical in strive what do you hope to achieve
>>737372543I just play +R cuz it’s already far better than what strive would actually do but yeah it’d be funny if they actually put him in strive with some degree of his actual kit. He’s easily the best fighting game character ever created.
>>737373021every single +r player has lost to zappa getting hit, rolling dog and mashing 2D, but only the zappa players think they're good for doing it
>>737373023Dead or Alive of course.They kind of gave up on the whole "being a good fighting game" thing with 5 and 6. Instead focusing on selling you 100+ bikini variations.
>>737373243Yeah because he would way more broken than launch Pot or HC.
>only character with depthOh zappaniggers are actually delusional. Thank God arcsys realized he's a fucking abomination and a character like him will never exist in or out of arcsys games again.
>>737373605you know at least pot and HC don't attain their win condition when i hit them
>>737373118AAAA INU KOWE!!!!
>>737373695He’s already in the best one so it doesn’t really matter
>>737357127Retard, the prompt should change with your mapped button/key, but there is no excuse for not showing what the actual active buttons are for some gayass icon during a mother fucking tutorial.
Yeah if the only game my fuckhead mistake character was or ever will be in was the one where he is undisputably top 3 I'd think it's the best one too.
I still say +R is the best even when I play other characters thoughbeit
His concept and the execution of his fighting style and animations is cool, but I always thought Zappa looked gay.>covered in hearts>weird white body suit thing>makes nonstop retarded faces (I understand he's possessed, but still)>underwear on the outside that gets exposed constantly10/10 theme song thohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bIMNs3GrHc&list=RD2bIMNs3GrHc&start_radio=1
>>737373023I miss this shit. Even the remake in the new samsho forgot the jiggle and slow de-robe.
>>737373960It’s body armor and charms because he kept waking up injured
>>737373960did he fuckk the ghost thot
>>737374197They get together properly at the end of his story when she breaks the window into his bedroom after he wished for her back
>>737372050why is answer so unpopular bros...
Zappa is a cool character and I can imagine he's fun to play, though I don't play him myself, but he is insufferable to fight against. I don't know why Zappafags would delude themselves into that not being the case, characters that are fun to play but not fun to fight are common in a lot of fighting games, and characters like Zappa that are both strong and unorthodox are the exact mould for that kind of character to exist in.
>>737372543Of the people that replied to you only about 2 actually play him he's like pre strive a.b.a but for 4chan specifically in how little people give a fuck about him but has an extremely small but vocal particular group that only want him because of his designs/ghost shit. Then there's the actual people who play him who are on the same level of faggotry as testament niggers where they see nothing wrong with the character and think he is arcsys' gift instead of one of their biggest mistakes like Xrd elphelt or happy chaos.
>>737295195Can anyone help me find a fighting game I played in the early 2010sThe menu look like mortal kombat kinda and I remember one specific character that looked like majin buu where he was pink and shirtless and had a thing dangling off of his head. When a character would win the camera would pan to them and they would say their voiceline.
>>737374325He was added at the end of the game's life when he was also overshadowed by the much more popular Baiken. I love him personally though, he's one of my favorite characters in fighting games. I don't care about him returning to Strive though, I like Strive but I don't think I would play either of my previous mains in Strive, especially not Answer considering his movement was such a big part of what made him cool and it almost certainly would be very different in Strive.
>>737374361Well I enjoy mirrors but I do get why it could be annoying to fight him. I just do think he’s the absolute coolest character to be in a fighting game.
Zappa is technically a stance character right? Every summons have different buttons and different movesets.
>>737374361Testament was an even bigger pain in the ass to fight and Strive fixed (or ruined if you're a Testamentfag) him.
>>737373043>watchingOh it's literally just secondary/streamboar retardation.
>>737374461Need more than that. Was it a 3D or 2D sprite game? Did the game have a dub or was it only jp voices?
>>737374546nah he just picks card then he becomes rushdown or zoner for that duration
>>737374546Yeah I think you could call him that. A rather odd one.
>>737374325There is literally nothing interesting or standout about him to attract fans. No one gives a shit about him being a ninja because chipp is a cooler one. No one gives a shit about his tri glasses or suit because the people who want a ninja don't want that shit on one. And no one gives a fuck about his gameplay because that isn't interesting enough but mostly because no one gives a fuck about how he looks.
>>7373745903D and it was definitely dub
>>737374461what did you play it on? do you remember?
>>737374461bloody roar?
>>737375190>>737375504Hazy memory since I only played it once back then at a friends house but I just figured out the game was mortal kombat armageddon, the character that i misremembered was the one with his eye hanging off actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JapDyUwAu8
>>737375779ahh that character is meat, he's kinda cool desu for a joke character. he has some really obnoxious tools in that game
>>737374565I really like Strive Testament but I wish they kept either a trap option, or let you hold Arbiter Sign to negative edge a mid followup for other setplay options
Tekken 9 waiting room
Strong guys punching each other fits fighting games really well but invincible 100% could have fit really into that superman game everyone wants where you fly around like a jet
>>737373019something something autistic indonesian or brazil guy or whatever shitting on the game because he lost in the gacha pulls or something.
>>737373960Good shit song.
>>737373698>at least pot and HC don't attain their win condition when i hit themSeason 4 pot was literally just about getting your ass handled, getting 50 meter and winning off Giganter Kai or Hammerfall PRC Buster your retarded ass remembers how to block (or just after burst)HC is also pretty bad when it comes to winning off bursts but at least he's squishy
>>737359596XIII Ash trials are a fucking meme.
>>737379698well she was trans lol
>>737379304That's just Pot being retarded and benefitting a lot from universal systems. Imagine if HC randomly applied curse to you when getting knocked down and could bang during his wakeup animation, that's zappa
>>737380098looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
>Every fighter now only have pacey combo shitters.Slotting few couple of power/grappler characters is really too much?
>>737380098Sure it's not as high powered as +R Zappa, but it's still in the realm of "win from losing"
Maybe bursts shouldn't send the opponent fullscreen in a Guilty Gear game where hard zoning is finally viable. Of course, the correct solution is to kill zoning. That shit doesn't belong in GG.
>Friend want learn fightans>Give him few couple of tutorials, roms and recommendations.>A day later see him playing some flashy ass kusoge full of TOD and complaining about being hard.I still don't understand this stupid ass behavior, just start with basics you cunt.
I want to understand the story of Guilty Gear and what's everyone's problem, why is everyone so weird and so on. Thorgi still haven't made a retrospective. Any tips?
>>737373960Zappa is a Jojo parody>crazy poses>ghost is basically a stand (a literal punch ghost in the case of Raoh)>flamboyant outfit with Dio-like heart motif
you guys herd the newstifa coming to sf6 but not t8lmao what the fuck happened
Maybe a bit too late for this but /tekgen/ is absolutely useless. I've been trying to climb out of Blue with Jin and I'm struggling. He's way too stubby. What are his top 5-10 moves? I've been trying to use>d4>df2>uf4>1,2,3/4,u1>4>f4>db4>3,1,4>d1But I can't seem to close a range where I can pop off. Too close and I get jabbed out of mix, too far and I just whiff.His FF4 and FF2 seem so fucking stubby too. I just don't get how people can play so good with him.
>>737295195I feel like the Tokon hype has died down completely, how come?
>>737383106were waiting for EVO for new news. like half of the roster is missing bro.
>>737382741Man I wish HFTF were actually good and not a turbo broken kusoge with TWO tournament banned characters and half the cast being absolutely worthless.
>>737382924>blue ranksDemon paw and electric to contest at mid-range.If your opponent is always checking your minus frames with jabs or linear moves, sidestep into launcher or frame trap them with strings.Learn to wait outside your opponent's range and let them overextend towards you.
>>737383216I can't electric to save my life. Sidestep into launcher feels like ass. Best frame traps? Kept losing to a Hwo purple rank who just kept doing the same string over and over again because I couldn't get in his range NOR could I even poke him out of his mix. god I don't get it. I thought people said Jin was idiot proof.
>>737382162Aside from a wiki crawl, the best bet is just arcade mode playthroughs with characters you like.
>>737382162Go through GG world and glossaries in the game?
>>737383106the last trailer sucked and there are only 3 character slots left that haven't been leaked.
>>737383653Honestly the mere fact that Kamala is in the game makes me massively doubt that it will be good. That cunt is a cursemark.
>>737383829Shit I thought I was having mandela effect but turns out Makoto really have that "hand" and this was back in 2008. How did Mori predict this.
>>737383305>can't electric to save my lifefff3 or 1 jab if you really can't clean up your electrics>sidestep into launcher feels like assNobody in blue ranks knows how to step or deal with steps, that's how it is>best frame traps2,1, delay 4df1,4 if they don't like duckingbf2,1,23,1,4>losing to Hwo spamming stringsdickjab him out of his pressure and watch your replays to find the gaps in strings you don't recognize. Hwo is a scrub killer that you have to do homework onJin is idiot proof in that he has a simple game plan with few execution requirements besides electric. Use your lows like d2 and db4 to get plus frames and check them with your counterhit buttons and df1. Learn some basic punishes if you don't have those down too.
>>737351285Nen Impact bros...I wasn't interested in that game, and Combo Devils looks enough like Smash Bros that I'm not considering it when I want a fighting game.
>>737384236Thanks, I'll try him a bit more out. Might just move to Lars desu. I hate playing the "wait" game.
>>737383106no trailers or info
>>737363417you called new players stupid. Companies should cater to people that actually like the genre, not trannies and idiots. We lost the hobby to secondaries, can't wait for the crash.
