why doesn't capcom port old MH titles like they did with RE?
>>737297490But they did. Each installment of MH is essentially a remake of the last, with you fighting the exact same monsters with the exact same weapons with a new move added here or there.
because MH Team is largely autonomous and huffs their own farts enough to believe that each game is strictly better than the last, so there's so need to port the older games to newer systems. If it gets to the point where a mainline game actually flops, i can see them doing it, but the series is Pokémon tier at this point and even garbage like Wilds manages to sell 10 million copies.
>>737297490Cause they think people won't buy the new one. RE are 15 hours games, MH can easily took up to 200 hours, that's months of playtime for non basement dwellers.
There is literally no reason to play anything before MHFU though
>>737297737To be fair that was because of how good worlds was, it wasted all of its success on a shitty mess. I do like Rise but I blame it for what happened, faster combat, mounts more stream lined and they thought lets go all the way.
>>737297762>not experiencing MH before it became casualized by palicosfucking zoomers...
>>737297490Gog had to coax Capcom to port the old res
>>737297687extremely false, GU has 130+ mons, MH forward have less than 40.
>>737297872Palicos do next to nothing in FU retard, they barely even draw aggroNext you'll be saying that multiplayer made it casual when it was there from the very beginning you stupid fucking retard
>>737297490i started playing it recently. been grinding MHFU with some mates. loved it and currently doing G rank. got worlds on steam sale and it fucking suckeeddddd.
>>737297490Because you can emulate them easily? You just want to pay a corporation for DRM.
>>737298338>>737297867it's WORLD not WORLDS
>>737298412I want to play Tri and 4U online without a second screen and without jumping thru hoops.
Stop Killing Games is going to completely ruin this franchise, isn't it?
>>737297867>worldsgood morning saar
One of the producers said that the netcode of the classic MHs is too brittle to port to new consoles.Also >>737297757 but they'll never admit it.
Each new MH must sell better than the last, so they're terrified of older games cutting into that.>But MHGU-Not really a port, they just never bothered to release MHXX outside of Japan.
>>737298859Such a shame. Nobody plays these games online, but it would technically be impossible for them to re-release them without online functionality without severe backlash.
>>737297490Capcom didn't port the old RE games. GoG did. Capcom's response to GoG initially was "why would anyone want to play the old games when the 'much better' remakes are available"Capcom is do retarded they likely feel the same about MH pre-World and don't want those games possibly cutting into the attention of new MH titles. They gave some bullshit excuse about needing to completely redo the online bring to difficult despite them literally doing just that for all their fighting game collection games.
>>737299074>Capcom didn't care about letting GOG port old RE because they thought no one cared about them>now that they've been proven wrong, they don't want to port old MH and be proven wrong again, especially if it's not done by them and makes them miss out on salesOne more reason to hate GOG
>>737299074>why would anyone want to play the old games when the 'much better' remakes are availableI think you've got it mixed up, Sony's CEO famously said that. Capcom values & respects their older games.
>>737297490As other anons said, it would be too much effort to revive the old games when the threat of them cannibalising eachother's sales is very much real. Additionally, the majority of MonHun players started with World and Rise, for them playing the old games is considered a novelty that wouldn't translate into a steady playerbase. I think Capcom is afraid most players would be put off by the unforgiving nature of 1st and 2nd gen. Anyway, here's my most recent Ukanlos hunt.
>>737298052>130+ monsHow many of those have unique 3D meshes and fully unique movesets?
>>737299261I've not mixed up anything. Google any article talking about GoG porting the games.
>>737299261I still think about that first image from time to time
>>737297867>To be fair that was because of how good worlds was
>>737299496That will be me in 20 years guaranteed. Middle guy is currently me.
>>737298859>One of the producers said that the netcode of the classic MHs is too brittle to port to new consoles.meanwhile MHFZZ private servers run on Dos' spaghetti code and work just finenever trust suits.
>>737297737Wilds flopped.
>>737299539World is an amazing game. So is Wilds. So is Rise even though I don't like it. Shitposting and contrarianism has rendered you unable to enjoy a great game, even though it's missing much of what made the series stand out. I've been playing since Freedom so I'm more than welcome to ignore any opinion you might have.
>>737298682>tri????tri works great and has active online
>>737299261DRAGONS DOGMA MENTIONED HOLY SHIT
>>737299478cut it by about 2, but that's also true for mhw mons. nearly every mon has a variant.
>>737297490They would take a hell of a lot more work to recreate that amount of content in the modern engine but id be happy with a new generations with a fully updated roster.
>>737298052GU only has two new monsters, Valstrax and the mantis
>>737299637Unless anon is talking about a different quote that interview only said that "each MH is made for the online capabilities of it's generation", which at best is them using a shitty excuse and at worst the retards actually believe the SOS system is superior to the rooms and all old games need to be remade to include it before they can be ported
>>737297490You want them to retroactively add yellow paint and pay to win microtransactions to them?
>>737300050DLC CONFIRMED
GoG did the RE ports first, Steam just used their ports to list it there. Capcom is also retarded and assumes you don't want the old games
>>737299773NTA but I've been playing since MH1.ur gay
>>737300896my dad worked for capcom and i played a pre-release prototype of MH1 and i say world is the best in the franchise
>>737301065My father is John Monster Hunter Senior
>>737297490They want to memoryhole the good games because they can't defend their shitty design philosophy since World.
>>737301110my dad said he never even played the games
>>737300310>each MH is made for the online capabilities of it's generationThey're not wrong, PSP games had no online and 20 rooms limit so MHFU would need a full rewrite, not counting the fact they'll have to add crossplay to all gamesThen there's the issue that you have to leave the room to change equipment in some games, so that needs another retouch for each gameThey think it's a waste of money/time but they don't see that releasing one game at time during the wait time between g-rank/next game would help keep the "hype" goingWho knows though, people have been asking for it since world and they never bothered to answer until now
>>737301478It did if you also had a PS3.
>>737300170bro, ur fated four?
>>737302359They were introduced in Generations.
>>737302441nobody plays the base versions
>>737302461>moving the goal post
>>737300170Three
>>737302461Hi, I'm nobody.
>>737302509you'll never catch me
>>737301660I know about that, but it still used the "Local" part of the game to let you go onlineIt still needs a full rewrite
>>737302592
>>737298734MH games are already playable offline. But if there's a must preserve all online features component, then future MH games would need to include a setup to allow people to host their own servers in the event Capcom is no longer supporting servers for the game to host online play. I don't understand what is so difficult about SKG. The whole point is to protect you from buying a game and the developer deciding with zero warning they're shutting down service for the game and you can no longer play it.
>>737297490Because it will affect their latest FOMO. They need you playing the latest game and buying the microtransactions. However when asked they said it was impossible to port old games because they cant get the online to work but somehow porting XX got it to work on Shitch and fans got GU lobbies to work on PC. Wouldn't be much of a stretch to assume they are lying their little slant eyes off and want your dumbass to buy the wyvern ears for 4.99 USD like a good goy.
>>737302538Color swap Diablos doesn't count
>>737302992Sure it does. Plus a lot of monsters change in hyper G-rank.
>>737302992Deviants and hypers don't count as new monsters, not even bloodbath.
>>737303749That's what I said
>>737299261Kissing that lonely OL
>>737297490How would that help them sell more MTX in the newest entry?
Same reason old Call of Duty games never go on sale and Activision basically treats them like they don't exist the next year unless they're selling a remake/remaster, they don't want people playing the old ones. Capcom is afraid that if they re-release old MH games people might prefer the old ones and they start competing with themselves (they're right)
>>737297737>even garbage like Wilds manages to sell 10 million copies.Let's wait and see how the expansion sells
>>737297490because the classic RE ports weren't crapcom's idea in the first place and they didn't even want to do them. GOG had to convince them, to rerelease their own fucking games.Also the usual online infrastructural issues excuses, same sort of crap that's partly responsible for Outbreak still not being ported either.
>>737297737>8 million sales in total in the first week>10 million sales in total in the first month>10.8 million sales in total in the first year
2nd, 3rd and 4th gen in one package, with seamless room searching and hopping between all the games is my dream
>>737304648GU would've been the perfect "oldgen" game if it included Moga and swimming
>>737297490>Monster Hunter Portable 3rd>the best selling Japanese MH game>the 8th best selling game in Japan of all time>now out worldwide with G-rank for the first time!Do it Capcom, I guarantee 15 million salesOh wait, if you'd did that you'd have to admit that your other games are shit.
>>737297490MANDATORY LOREhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6B01f0zv4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXqmFL_oyZghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWbjfqWietQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I5n2dP_FRAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKLAMTGtx4Ehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVOBNl_28PUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9NYYewCSxohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa2wMvBvpBchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-VPVvKrqcMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhZiT8WTUvMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtpkuf3g3GMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZbQBc8_91E
>>737305449>MH1, Dos, G, FU openingsSOVL and Kino
>>737297490Capcom didn't even do the old RE ports, GOG did all the work and then capcom took off their pants and took a fat steaming pile of diarrhea shit all over them when putting them on steam with Enigma.Capcom absolutely is still of the believe that there is no reason to play the old games when the new games exist.
>>737297490Because they abolished MT Framework and they know that the RE Engine can't handle that kind of scenario
>>737297737>even garbage like Wilds manages to sell 10 million copies.In the first 24 hours.Then it stopped selling altogether.
>>737297490Cause porting them in their current state would lower their ESG score due to male/female genders, sexy skimpy female armors, lack of idpol/diversity etc. At best you'd get an unoptimized pozzed censored demake. You're better off emulating instead of begging crapcom to demake the OG MH games in current year.
>>737308678Oh yea forgot about that. They have to heavily censor it and make changed to make it ESG safe ontop of losing sales from newest entries.
>>737297757Correct answer.Potting the early games competes with new releases and runs the risk of furthering fandom schisms/people criticizing the new ones.
>>737302554Hi nobody, I'm Dad.
>>737308678>Removes blood>adds damage numbersfuck this gay earth and everyone in it
>>737309843I like how OG monhun had so much blood splatter, made the fighting feel more visceral.
>>737309921if you can find and emulate the MH1 demo it was even gorier.
>>737305168MHGU and Rise together have completely iterated on P3RD, Rise is literally just P3RD Two, there's no reason to go back and make new content for P3RD
>>737310326You may be right, but /v/ and the MH community as a whole REALLY doesn't want to hear that.
>>737310326>we have a great, mediocre and a shit game>we should not do anything for the great game because we have mediocre and shit games.You are the reason why Wilds exists.
>>737310326>Rise is literally just P3RD TwoThat's like saying the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and a preschoolers finger painting are the same thing because they both used paint.What the fuck does Rise even have in common with P3rd aside from Village, Japan :O
>>737310615If you think P3RD is good and Rise isn't, you haven't played P3RD ever in your life.Everyone that actually liked P3RD and its unique stuff that marked the Portable's team departure from the style of the main games could have foreseen the direction that GU and Rise went in from a mile. Hell, in 2014 before Generations was first announced, people were speculating in forums about how the next portable game will probably have flashy anime moves. And that happened.All the fags who hate the Portable games and think only the main games are good always hated P3RD for this very reason.
>>737310864>Portable's team departure from the style of the main gamesWhat the fuck do you mean?P3rd is the most polished old school MonHun game with no gimmicks.The SO CALLED main team is the one that departed from the style of the series with Tri, 3U, 4, 4U and then with fucking World and Wilds.
>>737310847>japanese village>emphasis on characters and the player being born and raised in the vilage>new monsters are inspired by japanese mythology>main new map is a foresty rivery place>focus on a fast paced village progression>flashy flagship that was a massive departure in terms of monster design>final boss is a floating elder dragon related to storms and wild wheather>it has an unique buff system instead of using big food meals>has a focus on new weapon features and changes (P3RD gave massive changes to every weapon)>expands the customization and skills of your feylne partner
>>737299773NTA, but I played it on release and it was one of the most miserable times I've ever had with a game. I never participated in whatever shitposting there was for it around that time, I just played it blind and hated almost every part of it. It felt like a massive downgrade from the last two games, as flawed as they were too. Most I'll give it is that some of the moveset changes and (actual) QoL it added were nice, but those are the sorts of things that would have been added over time regardless so I don't think it deserves that much credit for them.
>>737297490I had a fucking dream a few nights ago where Capcom announced a Freedom Collection. Devastating wake up.
>>737311004P3RD was the first game to go in a different direction from the games before, and that's also why it sold so well.People attribute the sales to it having a japanese theme but P3RD sold like hotcakes because it was by far the fastest Monster Hunter game up to that point. The village low rank progression is extremely fast compared to Tri and Freedom Unite, the hub high rank is much more condensed, the weapons were changed to be smoother to use and the game is a lot more expedient to go through due to P3RD making most weapons and armors take a lot less resources to craft compared to games before. P3RD sold extremely well because it was very easy to get your friends into it and have them go through the progression fast enough to join you on hub quests so you can wack monsters together. Compare that to how long it took to get to the hub quests in Freedom Unite and its a night and day difference.And this isn't even getting into the fact that P3RD had the first big stylistic departures from the games before, with Zinogre being literally something completely out of left field when he was introduced in terms of design and fight.
>>737310864>P3RD and its unique stuff that marked the Portable's team departure from the style of the main gamesWhat the fuck are you even talking about you doofus? The main games WERE the portable games in that era and P3rd is literally 3U but without swimming and G rank.
>>737311343>3U but without swimming and G rank.you have not played the video game Monster Hunter Portable 3rd
>>737311343>P3rd is literally 3U but without swimming and G rank.nigga they barely have anything in common
>>737310847>What the fuck does Rise even have in common with P3rd aside from Village, Japan :OI mean, that's a pretty good argument considering its the only time in this entire franchise where two games share an extremely similar village with the exact same themeing.
>>737297490Because they're dumb. Just look at how long it took them to release the PS1 RE games on PC, and that only happened because GOG begged them to.Japanese studios, in general, are just clueless when it comes to re-releasing their older games. It's like they hate money.Seriously, why the FUCK is Professor Layton still stuck on the DS? Just re-release them on PC and modern consoles for $2.99 each or something: boom, millions of dollars for free.>>737297737>MH TeamThe games would be ported by some random Indian studio hired by Capcom, not the main MH team. The developers themselves have no say in the matter.
>>737311045also I forgot to mention that Rise's storyline with the Wind Serpents and then Amatsu is literally a direct sequel to P3RD, and the Amatsu hunt ends with the quest music and UI from fucking P3RD
>>737311373>>737311475>>737311578>P3rd is more similar to Rise than 3U because...the village theme is vaguely Asian (despite being more similar to China)>Just ignore how 3U and P3rd have the same maps, monsters, gear, weapons, and movesets
>>737310410You mean only /mhg/ doesn't want to talk about it.I have never seen an actual humanoid who is a fan of this franchise think of Rise as anything but a follow up to portable 3rd. That's the main fucking reason why Worldsperm and people who are obsessed with Tri hate it.
>>737311045Surface level visuals, callbacks, and reused motifs doesn't make Monster Hunter: Anime Spiderman Edition the same thing as P3rd, they aren't even remotely comparable otherwise.
>>737311774>(despite being more similar to China)RETARD WHAT? LMFAO
>>737299446>Ukanlosi miss him so much bros
>>737311774You are extremely fucking stupid.3U has content from P3RD because it came AFTER P3RD and main team was screwed over by time constraints to release 3G faster because 4 was already nearing the end of development, so pretty much 90% of the new content in 3G is just shit ported from P3RD.If it was up to the main team, 3U would have had nothing from portable team, given that Tri decided to remove half the weapon roster, monster roster and went in literally another direction entirely than Portable team went with their third entry.>>737311909so the entire game's pacing, direction and mechanics being a recreation of the same things P3RD did is not at all indicative of the game being a follow up to P3RD?
>>737297490if they ported MH4G everyone would realize modern monster hunter is dogshit, they can't have that.
>>737311774>the village theme is vaguely Asian (despite being more similar to China)what?
>>737311925This isn't in Japan.Rise is overtly Japan, P3rd is a mishmash of Asia leaning towards China.
>>737312308>using 4U/GThere are better games.
>ywn be called doodlewhy even live
>>737312334That is just Genshin Impact.
>>737312359nta but I enjoyed 4U too, it's very sovlfulhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQL3Dizqk1o
>>737297490Because that's what the purpose of monsters and content callbacks are in the current games.The main reason why studios do remakes/rereleases for their IPs and bait sales with them is because people know that they have nostalgia for experiencing the specific things from those older entires.People wanted to experience the stuff from RE2 and 3 again, so they got remade.Monster Hunter is an unique franchise because its main gameplay loop and the way the game works means that you can introduce basically whatever you want in it. You can't put an entire iconic enemy/character from an old RE game into a new one and give it the glamour needed to satisfy nostalgia without taking focus away from the stuff in the new game. But in Monster Hunter, you can do that.>Why remake P3RD when you can just bring back every monster that was memorable in that game, it's music, its aesthetic and other things in Rise?>Why remake 2nd gen when you can just remake the memorable fights from that generation and try to match the same atmosphere in World?>Why remake 4U when you can bring back every important monster from that game in Wilds combined with the cast of 4U, the music, and even a follow up to the story?Basically, the resources that other franchises use to remake older stuff, are used by the MH franchise to put stuff from older games into the new games for the same purpose. Its also why both Rise and Wilds have so much fucking shit from P3RD and 4U respectively in them.
>>737297490bring it back
>>737310864>>737311283So what you're telling me is that Capcom should not do anything with the fastest selling and best selling game in Japan because we have games that are not the same and did not sell as well in Japan?
>>737312171>so the entire game's pacing, direction and mechanics being a recreation of the same things P3RDThe MECHANICS of Rise are a recreation of P3rd? Are you fucking retarded?
>>737312637The maps got annoying with the mini ledges because of the mounting mechanic, outside that it is pretty good. in my personal Top 5 MH
>>737312874Yes, Rise's fast village progression, hub quest structure and the way the monsters are introduced is basically the same as how P3RD does it.
>>737312880>in my personal Top 5 MHSo just about average?
>>737312880I loved the mounting mechanic, wonder if it was the result of Dogma 1 having something similar.
>>737312861First of all, Rise is the 2nd best selling game in the franchise, and it was and still is absurdly popular in japan.Second of all, why does Capcom need to do anything Portable 3rd? It was an amazing game and still is an amazing game. There's no reason for portable team to go back to 3rd instead of following it up with stuff building on what it started. That's exactly what they did with both generations and rise, both use P3rd as a ground floor but just keep adding floors. Why the fuck do you tards even want remakes of the older games? 99% of remakes end up total garbage and all the old mh games are extremely easy to download and play
>>737313190Anon didn't say that mounting was bad just the maps
>>737313274Second best selling in this context means sold half the copies of MHP3rd in Japan.Why would Capcom do anything with it? Because the marketing is there. The best selling MH title in Japan, the EIGHT BEST SELLING GAME IN JAPAN OF ALL TIMEAll they need to do is add G-rank and release it worldwide everywhere. That's it.
>>737312990The village progression isn't similar at all aside from them both being relatively quick. The breezy village quests of P3rd is one of the bigger negatives towards the game, it's piss easy and it reuses monsters over and over and over. The quick progression of Rise still has a structured story attached to it unlike P3rd and the only reason it's so quick is because Capcom overcorrected due to people's complaints about World's story and wanted to shuffle them as quick as possible to the Hub quests and endgame grinding.They aren't intentionally similar no matter what you believe. The only real MECHANIC that is shared between the two is having food be sets of buffs instead of including health+stam increases. You don't know what a mechanic is.
>>737313353counter port: je suis monte
>>737313569point*
>>737313353I liked the maps too, can't recall a single one I didn't like.
>>737313569we joke about this now but the french and IG users were absolute shitters
>>737313703didn't help that you basically had to stand on the sideline and do no damage while they mounted it, unless you wanted to grief them off the monster
Achievements of the main-team>made the series>watched it evolve>made the former worst game in the series>removed half the weapons for lulz>added a mechanic so bad that it got removed for 12 years only to return as a glorified cutscene>babified the game with free armor>babified the game by removing half the armor sets and dumbing down armor skills>babified the game by slowing down combat by approximately 23%>babified the game by adding baby mantles and crutch claw>made the worst game in the series
>>7373135694U players were largely dogshit. namely the tendies, trying to be nice and help these retards the three virtues was painful. The French were another cunty group, begging for carries, always trying to mount and nothing else because they would cart, sit at base camp and leech.
>>737297490they want their MTX ridden storefronts of the modern games
>>737314471You do realize that 4U is a 3DS exclusive, right?That means if you played 4U you're a "tendie" as well.
>>737314536no retard, a tendie is someone who only buys nintendo shit same with snoys and xbots. >ERM YOU DO REALIZEfaggot
>>737314615You sure sound like a tendie.
>>737314675If snoy wasn't retarded and kept the agreement up with Capcom I wouldn't have touched a 3DS at all, nigger.
>>737312830you can already play this with working online, what more do you want? pretendo should get working on the 3u online functions though
>>737311045>emphasis on characters and the player being born and raised in the vilageP3rd doesn't have this Your hunter is an outsider iirc
>>737316997>you can already play this with working onlinei just want them to actually do it officiallythere's value in that
>>737297490Because then people would realize how much world, rise, and wilds cannibalized the series
>>737311045People don't give P3rd enough credit for its weapon revamp which set the basis for how all the weapons play today. Makes sense I guess since it was never localized
>>737302992Nakarkos you secondary retard
>>737297490Everyone would go back to 4U instead of playing whatever not mh trash Capcom shits out nowadays
>>737319141Yup, the identities of all weapons were formed in that game in the way that we know them today.
