Elden Ring lore is rule of cool bullshit that doesn't hold up to any scrutiny. Prove me wrong.
Nobody cares aside from like 2 or 3 people who make lore videos
>>737297828>Elden goyslopAHAHAHAHAHAHA
To prove me wrong, conclusively answer these questions central to the "plot":1. Who is Melina, why does she have an eerie eye, why does she have the power to burn the Erdtree?2. Speaking of which, what are the Erdtree and Elden Beast?3. Why were all of Marika's children born cursed in various ways?
>>737297914this is actually smart, AI imitates player behavior by panic rolling
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>>737297828>Prove me wrong.Why should I when all it'd take is looking up the lore itself and a broader cursory look at how autistically interconnected it is>inb4 N-no argument!You also did not state your position on the lore outside of calling it rule of cool bullshit and posting a single picture of something largely explained through context clues and broader lore
>>737297828You didn't understand Elden Ring's lore?
>>737298170Post pastebin
>>737298207Its a word doc on my computer I can post screenshots of the rest.
>>737298250I don't see any fancy Word formating so it should convert 1:1 if you'd use pastebinIf there's more, it could be faster than screencaping it
>>737298170yes this is exact the kind of schizo you need to be to make "sense" of all of it
>>737297919>1. Who is Melina, why does she have an eerie eye, why does she have the power to burn the Erdtree?She is the remembrance of the will of the ancient flame and her soul was made from the rune of Zanzibart the Burned. She can burn the tree because she has the soul/rune of Zanzibart.>2. Speaking of which, what are the Erdtree and Elden Beast? The Erdtree is the reincarnation of outer Zanzibart, the progenitor of Zanzibart the Elden. The Elden Beast is a manifestation of his humanity corrupted by the scarlet soul.>3. Why were all of Marika's children born cursed in various ways?Becuase the rune of Zanzibart was placed on the kiln of Zanzibart the Elden, thus zanzibarting all the zanzibarts into the primordial soulflamerune of zanzibartian manifestation of wibbly wabbly boop.
the moon is an outer god
>>737298330I'm a boomer I don't care to do any of that, you can compile one if you want, take the credit I don't care.>>737298346There's nothing schizo about it anon its just the reference bases for elden ring's lore.
>>737297828thats basically everything ever
>>737298346From what I see, it's just a writeup of what the game gives youI don't see any schizo headcanon there that'd go against what's fed to you through the game
>>737297828rule of cool specifically states that it doesn't give a shit about your scrutiny. qed
For me, it's The Frenzied Flame. They should make everything about it if they make a sequel
>>737298450Sadly, FF is the only non-canon ending due to Nightreign.
>>737297828>all those pretentious loretubers and their fanfictions were utterly BTFO'D by the dlcBAVSEVD FROMSOFT
>>737298401>I'm a boomer I don't care to do any of that, you can compile one if you want, take the credit I don't care.It's alright, but in principle it's as easy as going to your doc, doing Ctrl+A, copying it, then pasting it into the large field here https://pastebin.com/ and clicking Create New Paste at the bottomJust for future reference
>>737298493I'll do that in the future once I compile everything I want to compile. What I have so far is just the real world concepts used for ER. I'm going to be putting everything into a loose timeline next so people understand what happened in Marika's 3 religions and when so and so people move into the picture. You can use a timeline to show when Marika shifted into Radagon and when the elden beast actually materializes.
>>737297828Anon...japs don't care
>>737297828No one cares about this dogshit game or it's non existent lore
>>737298627I'd certainly prefer feeding a doc like that to people rather than directing them to the 99+ hours of some meandering loretuber who gets sidetracked every five secondLike SmoughTown
>>737297828I can't. There is no lore and no story.
>>737297828ER has no lore
>>737298757I've never watched a loretuber honestly. This stuff isn't confusing to me so I don't need to seek out anyone else to explain it. Taking a comparative religion 101 class in high school is probably enough to open your eyes to the topics being discussed. If you are a guy and you have even a passing interest in Greece and Rome then you should be able to see what ER is doing at face value.
>>737297828>prove me wrongthe burden of proof rests upon those who make the claim
>>737300290>>737297919
>>737297828have sex
>>737297828>Elden Ring lore is rule of cool bullshit that doesn't hold up to any scrutiny.and that's a good thing
>>737297828I cannot because I didn't care about the lore in the first place. Just want to see number go up and fight cool bosses.
>>737297919Also why is Radagon = Marika
>>737301219Marika needed the qualities of a warrior in the absence of Godfrey so she made herself one. She was trying to internalize concepts outside her purview and made a schism in her mind.
>>737301219Avenues of power are different between men an women and Marika needed the power of a man so she became a man.
>>737301348why dump godfrey thenwhy "internalize concepts" you abhor none of this makes sense nigguh
>>737301558>knows that women can't be warriors so she becomes a man Ok that's kinda based
>>737301558Woke!
>>737301569She didn't really dump Godfrey it was part of a long term plan. Radagon is an attempt to recreate the controlled aspect of Godfrey because he carved her womb out and she'll never forget it. Why did she make the Radagon? She needed to win the Liurnian wars and her armies kept getting blown out by Carian knights so she parlayed as Radagon. Once the Radagon persona was in the driver's seat she manages to end the wars with marriage. The Radagon persona starts out as a male reflection of Marika's desires but quickly warps into an empty vessel for the elden beast to enact its own will trying to seek completeness.
>>737297828Personally I'm a big fan of all the gurmisms in Elden Ring lore and wish gurm was younger so he could collab with FromSoft again>hornsent opressing Marika's people, Marika gets power and opresses the hornsent and anything that reminds her of them(crucible features) in her own kingdom>crucible knights>Godfrey the proper lord is actually a savage beast but always honorable>crucible knights>GW/Frenzied Flame duality>everything to do with the royal family and especially the cursed problem childrenOff the top of my head but I'm sure you could find more and more if you kept looking. Really hope one day we get the 40 page worldbuilding document he sent them to compare with the final product.
>>737301219You know how loser zoomers try to 'get into the ceo mindset?'Marika did that with a warrior so hard she became one.
>>737301795>because he carved her womb outwhaaaaatwhat did i miss
>>737301795Marika needing to turn herself into a boytoy to put an end to the Liurnian wars makes the Elden Ring look very unimpressive when a bunch of moongazers can stalemate a literal god with crystal pebbles. Maybe the primeval current is just that powerful.
>>7372979191. Marika's daughter, one of her first children if not THE first. 2. She was born with an attachment to some entity of death, much as most of her children were born with affinities for various terrestrial forces.3. Because Marika had the fucking elden ring in her body while she was pregnant. All living things, at least on this planet, are derjved from the elden ring, and so as they gestated, they were influenced by random aspects of the world's spiritual ecosystem. This is also why all of Rennala's children were born normal, and only became weird later in life: Marika only sired them.>>737301219Radagon is a schizo alternate personality who became his own semi-independent soul because Marika is a god and so her thoughts became real. It's uncleaf whether she created him on purpose or was born of her own cognitive dissonance for failing to live up to her own perceptions of what a proper god of the golden order would look like.
>>737302171>Maybe the primeval current is just that powerful.It is. But it's also worth noting that Radagon probably could have won regardless, but intentionally decided to integrate Raya Lucaria instead so he could study their magic.
>>737302004Godfrey was a beast of a man, a true conan archetype, the type of man women will reprogram for. He was Marika's first husband and everyone remembers their first. >>737302171Marika was pretty dumb all things considered. Her elden ring removed a huge amount of concepts that were present in the dragon elden ring and those concepts inform the linkages in all things. Her culture was mighty but blind as fuck to the truth. In the end she managed to outsmart Rennala, but then Rennala's daughter outsmarts her with the help of Marika's other daughter.
>>737302435>He was Marika's first husbandBut not her first baby daddy, probably
>>737302485most likely. The whole seduction and betrayal thing could be her fucking hornsent to get out of being jarred. For all we know Godfrey's first children that had the omen curse simply came from him being cucked by a hornsent and Marika having a chimeric womb. Godfrey as Horah Loux didn't even like Marika, he got mindfucked by some tree sap.
>>737302345>Radagon is a schizo alternate personality who became his own semi-independent soul because Marika is a god and so her thoughts became real. It's uncleaf whether she created him on purpose or was born of her own cognitive dissonance for failing to live up to her own perceptions of what a proper god of the golden order would look like.real lore hoursa speculation built upon another speculation built upon psychoanalysis
>>737302716I don't think the timeline allows for the hornsent to still be around and unsealed by the time Godfrey shows up, but then Carians were apparently part of the crusade so who fucking knows
Marika's first children were obviously Melina and Messmer whom she had with Radagon, they're accursed twins just like Miquella and Malenia which is why they're the other two demigod children with butterflies associated with them. The seduction and betrayal was either metaphorical with Marika promising to be become host of the Elden Ring for the hornsent civilization and then turning on them or literal with Marika seducing Hoarah Loux(who was already a great hero to the hornsent) and using him to perform the god-beckoning ritual at the gate of divinity.
>>737298483I thought nightreign was a parallel universe
>>737302957It's canon but happens outside of time, all the time, the nightfarers ending the night is basically a perpetual affair akin to the mayans making sacrifices everyday so that the dawn would come in the next. I'm not how that prevents FF ending from being possible, though.
>>737302813Godfrey is just a guy from the shadowlands, look at his armor - the shoulder pauldrons are bears eating a tree emblazoned on the chest. >>737302957Its a closed timeloop within Elden Ring's setting. What happens in Nightreign loops infinitely until the heroes there end the Night which closes the timeloop and the Night is seen as a failure from the outside.
>>737303109>I'm not how that prevents FF ending from being possible, though.Read the item descriptioin on the sword Radagon turns into in Nightreign. People can't posit on if those events were good or bad in the FF ending because there is no one in the FF ending.
>>737303120Godfrey is from "the badlands" which is a location outside the lands between he returned to after banishment. He's a viking that came by boat
>>737303249why was he banished in the first place?there are three unresolved questions for every "explanation"
>>737302813Marika needs a consort to call her back from the divine gate. >>737303249He goes to the badlands. He's from the shadowlands where bear warrior are from.
>>737301219The Elden Ring says Trans Rights.
>>737302813Godfrey is from the same place as the hornsent. The crusade happens well after Marika becomes psuedo-god and returns to decimate the population and seal Messmer inside.
>>737302485I dunno, Godwyn is clearly her favorite so he might well be her first.
>>737303292>why was he banished in the first place?Marika was going to use him to save her as a last gasp attempt if all else failed. She had a handful of plans going on and like Hammurabi speaking to the wall so as to not break the code of ethics she structured it in a way that hid the information from the alien squatting on her soul.
>>737303292Marika blamed him for Morgott and Mohg coming out fucked up. This was a reasonable but incorrect assumption, as the omen curse is usually patrilinear.>>737303313>Marika needs a consort to call her back from the divine gate.No.>He's from the shadowlands where bear warrior are from.Godfrey has nothing to do with bears, he just is a caveman. His armor is a costune given to him by Marika along with his fake name so he can pretend to not be an insane retard foreigner.
>>737303735so where did the omen curse actually come fromand why does the dung eater want to make everyone a furry
>>737297828>Elden Ring lore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pp8y6E8kob8
>>737303735>No.Yes. Read the secret rite passage. Godfrey's armor has bears eating a tree my dude. Goldmask is also from the shadowlands and his leg armor has a chastity belt with a terrible woman visage over the crotch. People HATED Marika without her sap fucking with their minds.
>>737303809>so where did the omen curse actually come fromHornsent cursed Marika so she would spread their culture after she destroyed them. Dungeater has knowledge of the shadowlands massacre and wants revenge.
>>737303836the point iseven if you watch a 10 hour lore videoyou will only have 10000 hours of questions resulting from it
>>737301348Radagon existed before Godfrey. When Marika was with Godfrey, Radagon was Rennala.
>>737303910Depends what type of education you had growing up. If you have a passing interest in the metallurgic ages of the past nothing in this game is hard to understand.
>>737303809The formless mother, the goddess of pain. The curse causes you to be constantly haunted by wraiths that mutate your body and torment you in your dreams. The dung eater wants to spread it on purpose to maximize suffering in the world because he is ontologically evil and wants to revel in raping spirituality himself.
>>737303904Dungeater is jus a mentally ill ugly reject who wishes he was an omen because hes ugly inside and out. Making everyone cursed brings them to his level. He was also in the haligtree somehow
>>737304047His armor has the wicker golem visage on its chest, and happens to want to turn people into a bastardized version of the people the wicker golems obliterated. Use your brain anon.
Why do people keep trying to make me believe my schizophrenia isn't a superpower? It's easy esoteric knowledge.
>>737303860The secret rite scroll is a prophecy about Miquella and Radahn, not an instfuction manual. Godfrey never body hopped. Godfrey's armor has nothing to do with his true character or culture, and in fact him pretending to be the holy king actively hinders him in battle. This is the entire narrative thrust of his boss fight.
>>737304094How would he know about the shadowlands when Noone in the main game does
>>737304117ER is an intentional schizocore game. There are unironically faces and shit hidden everywhere. >>737304171Its a step by step guide on how to use the divine gate, which Marika used.
why is marika both a numen and a shamanwhat is the relationship between her and the assassins of gowdynwhat is the story of eternal city nox where the numen livedyou cant answer all of theseor any of these
>>737304094Wrong. Like the other two mending rune saints, the dung eater had a sun-based vision which he manifested with meme magic. Goldmask saw the sun flourishing, Fia saw it eclipsed by death, and Dungeater saw it turn black.
>>737297919I can only speak for my own interpretations. You are not given every piece of information to form a conclusive picture. Not all important information is told through item descriptions, but also visual metaphors, parallel stories and game mechanics. You are meant to form your own headcanon and if that frustrates you find another franchise. I find this approach to storytelling unique and helps make these games memorable.1. Melina is an aspect of Marika that she shed like a snake skin. She shed her identity as the Gloam Eyed Queen and Maliketh destroyed her body with Destined Death. Her soul was preserved in Grace. This is similarly echoed in Ranni being burned by the fragment of Destined Death during the Night of Black Knives. Just like she shed her snake aspects and connection to the Fell God with Messmer. This is a property that you can observe through Millicent, who is an aspect of Malenia's pride and a child of Malena.2. The Erdtree is a stolen Hornsent experiment. You can find several experimental holy trees at Enir Ilim whose wood is clearly formed by bodies. The Erdtree is a super efficient means of harvesting and concentrating the stardust contained in all life. That is the power gained from death. And it's from when the One Great became the Big Bang (or the first Shattering) and seeded the universe with life. See: the roots taking in bodies in catacombs, Ulcerated Tree Spirits being able to bleed. The Elden Beast is a fragment of the Greater Will, the distinct presence of the One Great that wants to reconstitute itself after the Big Bang. It's why Regression and Causality are at the heart of Fundamentalism. 3. See parts of 1. Marika births children by shedding aspects of herself like a snake skin. They're susceptable to becoming hosts for forces of nature as a consequence of being shed aspects. Or empty and abandoned like the metaphorical snake skin. Usually by entities she either betrayed or suppressed in dramatic irony.
>>737304241>Its a step by step guide on how to use the divine gate, Obviously not, as there was no consort at Enir Ilim and Godfrey never got a new vessel.
>>737304463I don't think you understand how the process works.
>>737304354>why is marika both a numen and a shamanNumen was their race, shamanism was their way of life>what is the relationship between her and the assassins of gowdynThere is none, but people in universe assume there is because Marika is the one to send the nox underground>what is the story of eternal city nox where the numen livedAfter being sent underground the nox intentionally fucked with Marika's ring by creating false runes to end reality in spite.
>>737301219Why not?
>>737304547We saw Marika use it. Nobody else was there. Also neither of Marika's consorts ever reincarnated.
>>737297828That's everything past DS1.
>>737304818You never see her leave the gate, and the ritual says the god needs a consort to call them back. Its either her bear champion husbanto or an unnamed hornsent she seduced and betrayed.
>>737304818>Also neither of Marika's consorts ever reincarnated.Horah Loux becomes Godfrey. Nothing in the scroll says reincarnation is required, only a vessel powerful enough to call her back.
>>737304903Wrong. The scroll says>A lord will usher in a god's returnIt's a prophecy>>737304998"Godfrey" is just a persona, literally Horah Loux in a costume. >Nothing in the scroll says reincarnation is required"and the lord's soul will require a vessel."
>>737297828Melina is just way too hot and I would do anything for her.
>>737298378Is this a joke from the Zanzibart forgive me shit?
>>737305175Your body is the vessel anon.
>>737304241Er is literally schizo because people have multiple personas and genuine twins existing at the same time as the main person. Gurranq is maliketh but hes also just gurranq. Bernahls dead twin. D. Also gurranq is the name maliketh used when he served the gloam eye as her shadow
>>737305175>It's a prophecyYeah, and it was a prophecy when marika did it, play the damn dlc lol. The hornsent figured out how to use the gate but their culture was debased so they didn't have the souls required to do the ritual in earnest. Thats how Marika usurps the power from under them in the sacrifice.
>>737305308Why would a scroll need to specify that the consort needs to be alive?
>>737305373The people that discovered the ritual were totemist animalists and let the souls of divine beasts enter them. Its written from within the understanding of the hornsent culture that was doing the experiments dummy. The hornsent were a shit people and didn't know how to amass rune power past a certain point and used artifice to get the rest of the way and kept failing because they were shit people.
>>737304903I think the Hornsent were trying to do the ritual and Marika hijacked it at the last second imposing her rune arc on the bottom of the old configuration thereby binding it into her body.
>>737305372>Yeah, and it was a prophecy when marika did it,No.>Thats how Marika usurps the power from under them No, she did it by seducing some entity to be her ally and killing everyone else who wanted to use the gate.
>>737305609The rune arc doesn't come into focus until the GO era where it becomes the bounty of the erdtree as cracked tears become outmoded. You can use that information to see when the elden beast starts becoming a thing. You don't seem to understand anything about the game.
>>737305621>seducing some entityMaliketh who then ganked the gloam eye and her godskin guards and sealed death away cause metyr was grooming marika to be the elden vassal
>>737305804Nah she just let them do the ritual they were already going to do but with Marika there. Once the sacrifice of the jarred shamans happens Marika claims the sacrifice and the gate recognizes her as the one doing the ritual. The shamans meant nothing to the hornsent, they were cattle chaff, but to Marika they were everything which gives the ritual power.
>>737305693They're explicitly shards of the Elden Ring and what do they do? Bind a great rune to your character. Marika did the same thing.
>>737305956Nah she just claimed the sacrifice.
>>737305484Other than the hornsent communing with divine beast spitits, everything you just said is completely baseless nonsense.
>>737305894No there was a plot by metyr to remove the current ruler of the lands between because she was obsessed with sending her children through the divine gate to skin gods and bring back their flesh. Metyr gave maliketh to the gloam eye, named her empyrean and then marika the dancer from the village seduced gurranq into betraying gloamy at the 11th hour. This all lined everything up for the elden beast to enter the lands properly. Death is sealed away, marika is a willing vassal for the beast, and metyr has entrenched the fingers into her rule.
>>737306025No, its pretty well elaborated on the tooth whip and the potentate gear. The hornsent couldn't be spiritually pure as a people.
>The Gloam Eyed Queen is secretly every characters alter ego and pivotal to the plot>She's just another would-be usurper killed by Queen Marika for challenging her authority If you care about the lore at least have some fucking reading comprehension
>>737305804The GEQ wasn't even born when Marika became a god. We know this because she was an empyrean. Maliketh did gank her, but he was Marika's finger shadow, and thus probably only bestowed by the fingers after her apotheosis.
>>737306142GEQ was just an emissary of a particular god and when she gets killed that god picks a new emissary. >>737306194The GEQ was the other empyrean vying for the ring but Marika won out.
>>737306102You literally got it backwards, they considered themselves spiritually superior because of their visible attunement to nature, and created the jar saints to try to make some use of those they considered metaphysically inferior. This was horrifically evil of course, but Marika was hardly better.
>>737306296>they considered themselves spiritually superiorThey did, but the reality is they weren't. Thats part of their debasement. They literally got boners torturing shamans.
>>737306194Gloamy ruled enir ilim
>>737306142Geq was an empyrean chosen by the fingers (metyr). Marika fucked that up for her
>>737306142>>737306225The GEQ was Messmer's sister, Melina. This is explicitly shown in the frenzied flame ending. She rebelled againat her mother, stole the rune of death, and was killed by Maliketh, who tore out her eye and thus sealed her identity. This is why Melina's spirit bears the seal of the beast claw, which is removed in the frenzied flame ending, where Melina still exists but Maliketh is dead. Melina exists as a ghost because Marika tuned her spirit, as Hewg suggests she knew how to do. This is congruent with Melina knowing Marika is her mother but believing she was not conventionally born; her sealed memories suggest she simply started existing at the foot of the erdtree.
The Black Knife Assassins are Nox. You can find two of them above ground if you solve the Selia, Town of Sorcery puzzle. That's why Ranni exploited them (Lunar Princess + Worshippers of Stars) to attack Godwyn. It's how she knows they possess the God Slaying Blade and it's why they attack Blaiid and Iji at the end. She dupes everyone, including the player, into allowing her the opportunity to become a Goddess.
>>737306485Baseless speculation.
>>737305264What do you think, Sherlock?
>>737306591Ranni did dupe everyone, but no, the black knives are numen, not nox. They also didn't have blades of death, Ranni herself crafted them using the stolen rune of death. The black knives resemble the nox finger slayer blade because Ranni herself was familiar with esoterix Nox antitheism.
I still don't know what the Elden Ring even is or why I did anything in the game.Game was cool though, but the bosses were a bit too spammy.
>>737301879I wish people would understand that GRRM did NOT write the elden ring lore, he made the base layers for it, Miyazaki did 90% of the lifting and it shows immensely
>>737306920The elden ring is the laws of life and death and physics, as a physical object, which you can, but shouldn't, edit.
>>737297828>Prove me wrong.easy: There is absolutely nothing cool about Elden Ring lore.
>>737297919>Who is Melina, why does she have an eerie eye, why does she have the power to burn the Erdtree?She doesn't. The flame of the fell god does. She simply sacrifices her self to use it.>Speaking of which, what are the ErdtreeA greattree made by marika out of a previous greattree>Elden Beast?an emissary of the Greater Will>Why were all of Marika's children born cursed in various ways?Because she rose above her station
>>737307092>Because she rose above her stationHORN NIGGERS OUT
>>737307037What?
>>737306861>the black knives are numen, not noxWe are never given any reason to believe these are mutually exclusive.
>>737307149So imagine if like, the laws of thermodynamics were written down on a piece of paper, and if you scribbled your own edits, they became real. That's the elden ring
>>737306861Nox are Numen banished underground for their perceived heresy>can shapeshift/meld their flesh>long lived and seldom born>Eternal citiesRanni admits to empowering the Black Knives with the rune of death. The only way she would know what and where the god-slaying blade is is if she knew of the Nox prior to working with the Black Knives. It's also why she needed to kill herself to remove suspicion that she armed the people responsible for killing Godwyn. She set the Nox up as a patsy.
>>737307158The nox could be a subset of numen, true, but so were the shamens probably, and they too had fuck all to do with the nox
>>737306543>The GEQ was Messmer's sister, Melina.Thats the new GEQ. Almost all of Marika's children were claimed by other gods.
>>737306920>I still don't know what the Elden Ring even isThe platonic forms existing in the same realm they define>why I did anything in the game.To fuck the Marikussy and become elden lord
"Random bullshit go" the game.
>>737307239Mostly true, but>She set the Nox up as a patsy.Is not quite right. Ranni isn't just pretending. Like the Carians were before Radagon dicked down Rennala, Ranni is a legit moon worshipper, a modern successor to Nox culture and spirituality. Look at the moon gazing pool by Ranni's tower and look at the moon of Nokstella. She has actually taken up their long abandoned holy war against the fingers and whatever finger-approved regime defeated the Nox to begin with.
>>737306920Physical representation of life itself, anon describes it here pretty good >>737298170
>>737307298The "gods" that infected Marika's children are abstract entities, not distinct people. Also, Melina is conspicuously a ghost, who can only manifest in proximity to the vestiges of her mother's power.
4+ years of non-stop 'cordtranny mindbreak btw
>>737307490No one said they were people, they are obviously egregores of a defined concept.
>>737302957Same universe, different set of events. Basically the shattering is interrupted by an outer god.The weird thing about nightreign is that for all it invokes about the Night, it seems completely unrelated to all the other previous groundings we're given for the essence of "night". It doesn't seem associated with any celestial powers. The most we get is Heolstor wielding the moonblade.I think it's particularly interesting lorewise because we get a sense of "prehistoric" dragons and a more fleshed out idea of ice dragons being old as fuck. It also introduces the first actual demon, and Maris who is clearly the same class of being as the Elden Beast and Metyr, but isn't associated with the GW at all. Most of the other bosses seem kind of inconsequential lore-wise. Recluse has a bit of interesting lore too.
>>737297828>Elden Ring lore is rule of coolincorrect>Elden Ring lore is bullshit that doesn't hold up to any scrutinycorrect
>>737307629Night sorceries are frowned upon in ER because of what they represent in NR. NR overall uses a mesoamerican mythos for its day/night feathered serpent comet cosmology. By the time ER takes place the day/night sun/moon balance is already completely destroyed so it doesn't have much cultural relevance.
>>737307587But the GEQ was a person, is my point. If you're suggesting it had a different avatar, then reincarnated into Melina after Maliketh killed her, that would have to be a very fucking fast turnaround considering Melina is Marika's first or second child. Plus, it wouldn't explain why Melina is a ghost, or how her eye was sealed, or why that seal breaks if Maliketh dies.
>>737307860All the emissaries of the aliens are people. They need physical forms to enact their will because they are just egregores.
>>737307893Death is terrestrial, not alien. Every spiritual force in the land's between is except for the greater will (effectively the demiurge), the fingers (angels), the gravity aliens, and the moon/stars.
>>73729786010s of thousands of people watch those, which is why they are making them.Couldn' be me though. Stop writing From's world building for them.
>>737308024All of them are aliens that are born from magical space rock.
>>737308060We're not actually ever told whether or not outer gods are alien or not. Just that they seem to manifest in the wake of immense suffering.
>>737308113We're shown that they come to the lands between on magical meteors.
>>737308024Outer Gods are aliens and the Formless Mother is also an alien
>>737307228But that's stupid.
>>737308141No we are not. They don't seem to have corporeality at all.
>>737308243We are.
>>737308060Wrong. Shit like the rot, the serpent, the formless mother, death, and most likely even the formless mother are natural aspects of the world.>>737308146Wrong.
>>737308348>>737308060Sorry, most likely even the frenzied flame, I mean
>>737308024Death isn't an outer god. Outer god means a god that isn't understood within the Golden Order's understanding of cosmology, this becomes Outer Order. Anything understood is dubbed Inner Order. Once all thing Outer have become Inner the GO has achieved the Golden Order Totality. Marika understands death, she simply removes it to bastardize the cycle of of life so that runes will flow into her tree beast instead of its natural propagator spread.
>>737297828That's how most video game lore works
>>737308348>Shit like the rotRepresented by a giant rock (meteor) underground>the serpentA meteor with a tail>the formless motherA distant red dot of light in the void, a meteor that hasn't reached yet, hence why her empire is always approaching but hasn't happened>deathnot an outer god as elaborated >>737308407
>>737308407>Outer god means a god that isn't understood within the Golden Order's understanding of cosmology, this becomes Outer Order. It's not about understanding, but acceptance. For example, Marika perfectly understood the giants and their fell flame, but destroyed them regardless, and their god is an outer god for this reason.
Melina is not the geq
>>737308348The serpent isn't ever described as an outer god.>>737308519Everything you wrote is incorrect. Congrats on not playing the DLC btw.
>>737308519>its all just rocks>always has been>>737308560Acceptance is understanding, but yeah. Notice how all the cultures Marika takes in after rolling them she ends up warping and bastardizing? She didn't accept them truly, so her understanding of them remained 'outer'. That's the failing in Marika's mind that Goldmask's ending hopes to eradicate. Her human failings are why her aims aren't realized and why everyone suffers. >>737308618She's heralded by birdsong as she shows up in the FF ending, along with all the other myriad hints that she is the new GEQ emissary.
>>737308519>Represented by a giant rock (meteor) underground>A meteor with a tailNo, lol. Rot is natural selection. The fell flame is natural disaster. The serpant is predation. The formless mother is rape. The crucible is evolution.
>the blood star
>>737308618She literally has the gloam eye and threatens you with destined death
>>737308937She has the beast eye like maliketh she's just using destined death
>>737308923The blood star is not an actual star. It can only be "seen" by those who have been blinded. This is in direct contrast to the actual moon and stars, whose worshippers physically watch and study, and which Marika inhibited by literally physically blocking their view with the erdtree.
>>737308879Thy are reflections of the platonic ideals that reality is made of, but they aren't born into a 'god' until people create an egregore of that god concept themselves thru observation of the natural world. That god is always linked to a meteor because of how the people in the setting view the cosmos in relation to themselves. They become actual monsters because this is a fantasy game with magical rocks that fuel its magic/faith system.Outside the magical fantasy element this is all how actually religions form in cultures guys. Seriously go crack a fucking book on how human society got to where we are today, it follows a specific path of advancement in understanding and culture and ER is just doing a fantasy twist on it. Fucking hell man.
>>737309117Kinda like how the frenzy flame burns out your eyes the blood star needs you to be violently blinded to see it. Like hellraiser
>>737308996She had a beast claw seal on her eye that goes away if she still exists but Maliketh is killed. The unsealed eye is gloam colored. Maliketh is the one who beat the GEQ. Do the math
>>737303490based
>>737309187Yes shes got a black knife and the beast eye which searches for death which got her the black knife in the first place. The beast mark is over her eye because its searching for death like maliketh
>>737309152>That god is always linked to a meteor No, it isn't. The space rocks are actual hostile alien forces and are distinct from the natural, terrestrial spiritual forces. Only one of the outer gods is even alluded to in terms of a space object, the blood star, and it's one you can only "see" while blind, therefore, it's not a literal star.
>>737309165Exactly
>>737309249The "beast eye" is Melina's original eye which Maliketh tore out when he killed her. This is why Melina bears the beast mark seal and why she regains her identity as the GEQ if you kill Maliketh.
The godskins would dive through the divine gate on umbilicals of flesh to go rape and pillage divine beings before being pulled back with all their new skin to offer to the gloam eye
is nightreign good?
>>737309798That is one of few plausible explanations of how they found so many gods to skin
>>737310000If you're good at videogames, yes
>>737308923The Nightreign meteor like in this post >>737303120Notice the shape of the big Eye in the sky in all the Nightlord fights is that meteor with a triangular 3 arms spiral around it every time? The people that can only see it are people that are "Guilty." They see something that isn't there anymore or not real anymore huh? Look guys, it really is just magical meteors and shit. You gotta start believing me at some point I don't know how many other ways I can show it to you and make it simple. Like you never see this stuff? You never notice these links and put them together?
>>737310245You're just a schizo retard. Just because the game has aliens doesn't mean all of the spiritual influences are alien. They aren't. Almost all of them are terrestrial.
>>737309363The majority of magical constructs are made from or innately linked to magical rocks and space. Its that way because their cultures like our real world cultures put a massive emphasis on the sky and stars in primitive history. Its how they built their understanding of a higher realm as they developed their most primitive religious concepts around totemism and animism, fate and destiny. But in ER magic rocks in space fuel things and make them real like the magic and faith paradox the game is always grappling with. Shared culturally in their setting along with the Greater Will is a thing called the Primeval Current. Its a big understanding akin to the Greater Will in importance. Similar to the Greater Will leaving you have the Primeval Current breaking and becoming a void. This is how the people in the Lands Between see and define their cosmology and their overall creation myths, it is their monomyth spread across almost every single item in the game's lore description. After playing the game and reading everything you can piece all the lore together as the Player. You aren't the primitive people in the game, you're you in the 2020s with a world of human history and knowledge of it (conceptually). Everything in ER is a mirror of how we developed as people thru our historical context, with fantasy magic to make it cool. Once you see it the game all clicks, the lore, the environments, the enemy placements, the armor designs, everything.
>>737309187>Maliketh is the one who beat the GEQ.so we're told. timeline doesn't make much sense since melina also knows the minor erdtree incantation. I'm of the opinion the geq was marika's identity prior to becoming a god. the grab attack on jarred saints looks like a snake grabbing something with its jaws. there's the giant snake skin outside bonny village. they jarred shamans with the snake meat. mimic veil looks like a snake skin, marika has a bracelet that looks like a snake, marika is a trickster, seducer and betrayer like myths associate with snakes. her first children have the gloam eye and the abyssal serpent. melina is a shed aspect of marika as the geq while messmer is the shed aspect of the serpent she was jarred with. the reason melina knows minor erdtree is because the first thing marika did after stealing divinity was go back to her village and create that incantation, she was still the geq at the time and it's symbolic of her pure intentions and what she was doing it all for to begin with.
>>737310041what if i like every fromsoft soulsborne except elden ring
>>737311174I kneel
>>737311374I'll also add maliketh killing melina or at least her body (which echoes ranni whose body was also burned by destined death) very neatly wraps up the geq identity in history while also sealing destined death.
>>737311145>The majority of magical constructs are made from or innately linked to magical rocks and spaceThis isn't true.>Its that way because their cultures like our real world cultures put a massive emphasis on the sky and stars in primitive history.This ALSO isn't true. The sun specifically was also worshipped, sometimes also the moon, but almost no cultures thought of the stars as deserving of veneration. No, not even the greeks and romans, who saw the 'wandering stars' as manifestation of divine power of their gods up into the firmament, not the other way around. Most cultures worshipped natural or constructed objects. The primeval current is the milky way. It's a huge collection of literal space aliens that are losely connected by gravity magic. A particularly strong and evil one, the dark moon, is facilitating a slow invasion of earth. The outer gods have nothing to do with them.
>>737310910Its a linkage system is what I'm saying. The people have beliefs the deep conceptual understandings that are linked with the magical rocks from the Primeval Current. The linkage is there because its a big part of their cosmological understanding. That linkage pulls magical rocks to them and its meteor bombardments and then their world has magic fueling everything and having a duality with faith, you now, belief structures ARE magic in this setting. It all fuels everything in loops of life and death and the biggest rocks have the most magic and become akin to gods and such. The world around them is also magical with these meteor rocks because they have religions of animalism and tribalism and crucibles and ancestral worship. Its all just neolithic onward world history in a blender along with the esoterica of those cultures. >>737311557It makes sense.
>>737311174>since melina also knows the minor erdtree incantation. Marika came up with the idea of the erdtree even before she beat the hornsent. It was the symbol of her ambition which drove her to seek apotheosis in the first place. Thus, it's entirely reasonable her daughter would know about it even if she was born or even died before the big erdtree was made. Plus, Melina knows it now, she may have learned it as a ghost.>I'm of the opinion the geq was marika's identity prior to becoming a god. This would be reasonable if 'Melina' were some cast off part of Marika, which is what I thought prior to the DLC. Marika is missing her left eye, after all. But SOTE confirmed that Melina was Marika's actual daughter, Messmer's brother, and we also know Melina is the GEQ. Ergo, Marika can't be the GEQ. Marika did turn into a snake at one point, likely to fuck the abyssal serpent, giving rise to Messmer and Melina.
>>737297828What lore?
>>737311959There is no link between the primeval current and any outer god except the dark moon, which is probably not even the same kind of entity.
>>737312143if fans have to make up stuff such as this with a straight face>Marika did turn into a snake at one point, likely to fuck the abyssal serpentyou just know your "lore" is mush
>>737312228They are all linked in a broad conceptual way you just don't see it. I'm gonna go mow the lawn.
>>737297828>rule of cool bullshitThats probably the best way to describe it but most of the shit in ER is just weird or unlikely. Marika producing a male counter half and reproducing with it because she can. Its not mysterious, its just weird and childish. Its like a child is writing a story and cannot think of a proper and reasonable way to connect story elements together so something magically appears from thin air like a McGuffin to tie it all together.
>>737312143melina is much too pure of heart to be the geq. what seals it for me is the cave in the mountaintops where you find the swaddling cloth after dealing with a spirit tuning "snail" (snake) that summons the godskin duo. the cloth was abandoned just before the first church of marika. I feel like that's some serious hand tipping on from's part that people have overlooked.
Marika was a dancer harlot whore and she was picked by metyr because shes sexy as fuck and her womb is perfect for becoming the nu crucible for the elden lineage.
>giant burning orb in the sky you aren't allowed to look at>no one ever questions it
Who here remembers the promotional picture of the moon with the elden ring symbol burning on it? Its literally forgotten media you cant find that shit. Whats weirder is that the brand is still on the moon its just not lit up in gold anymore. Maybe during marikas reign the moon was always lit up like that
>>737312467There's a discarded giant snake skin next to the only intact marika statue in the DLC and her first son is tainted with evil snake juju and the DLC story trailer says she was able to beat the hornsent by seducing someone. It's not far fetched.
>>737312631>melina is much too pure of heart to be the geqYou're assuming that Melina was always good or that the GEQ didn't have an understandable motivation. If you do the frenzied flame quest, Melina doesn't assume that you're doing it for her or out of malice, but out of nihilism. She thinks you want to end all suffering and tried to convince you that people being born and living and dying is a good thing. She speaks as someone who came to realize these things part way through her life, or perhaps even after her death. If you do let her burn herself at the giant's kiln, she does it as an act of attonement. But an attonement for what? And why were her hands already burned?
>>737313557Marika can shapeshift like messmer
>>737313940Yeah and she did it to fuck a weird snake god
>>737297828you were filtered cause you didn't read flavour text or have the necessary attention span to recognise to interpret no-verbal story tellinganon have you noticed melina fights with the same moveset as the black knife assassins. but with a holy dagger not tainted by destined death? or that there's a corpse wearing inquisitor garments like those of ghiza who attacks you in volcano mannerone of the starting classes are confessors, which thematically have a match with inquisitors. oh and rykard was an inquisitor who turned against the golden ordermelina is adverse to the flame of frenzy, could be possible that her job was opposing followers of the frenzied flame. or perhaps as a demigod of kindling she researched methods of burning the tree in line with her mother's wishes. her quarters in the capital is full of booksmelina seems to have lost her memories before returning to the capitalthis thread has already mentioned marika's children being chosen as avatar's of great spirits or gods. melina's brother mesmer holds the infernal serpent or whateverwith these lore tibits come up with a concurrent conclusion if you can
>>737313981She fucked all the gods and sone hot men shes femzeus
>>737312631If Melina is a shed aspect of Marika but wanted to enact her true will as a good god she'd act the way she does in the game. If Melina is born from that snake skin and she is the GEQ it would explain the weird prophecy marika feared of the snake that would burn the tree, which Melina does in most routes.
>>737297828I don't like Elden Ring.I think it's a terrible open-world game.I think it's one of the worse Souls game.
>>737297828>rule of cool>nothing is cool
>>737315324I thought the giant was pretty kewl
>seduction - messmer>betrayal - melina
Marika gave maliketh red rucket
>>737313994>could be>or perhaps>seems to Elden Slop "lore" in a nutshell
>>737313994>anon have you noticed melina fights with the same moveset as the black knife assassins. but with a holy dagger not tainted by destined death?
>>737298378>ZanizibartZanizibartZanizibartZZanizibartanizZanizibartibaZanizibartrtZanizibartYou faggots were so brainraped by getting filtered this is the only thing you can ever shit out. Grim.
>>737316472She fights with you
>>737316472You can summon her for the morgott fight, faggot
>>737314287I think you're a faggot
>>737316802You needed help with Morgott?
>>737316660This one joke sure broke fromtroons huh.
>>737316660>ZanizibartIs this new DLC content?
>>737316660Someone post that picture where a dozen+ ER npcs literally say "zanzibart forgive me"
>>737317512Hell no, he's a pushover, but don't act uppity over not knowing something the game shows you explicitly
>>737318221When midra straight up said the line in the dlc I knew i was being trolled
>>737318273The game didn't show me that because I didn't summon her. Actually I ended up doing the Liurnia Hogwarts college stuff before even entering Stormveil. It was very confusing for me.
ITT: OP gets proven right
>>737297828You can’t read above a high school level, prove me wrong. Also, Vaati is straight up wrong.
>>737317987Wdym? This shit is so funny. Imagine thinking that you have to take things seriously all the time, especially fucking videogames lol
>>737302171It’s implied that the same magic we pull from in ER is the same “source” that we pull from in the Dark Souls titles. A lot of talk of primeval magicks.
Miyazaki made Malenia goddess of rot because... she is a fujoshi.
>some broad becomes a god and breaks reality>her kids become kings and won't stop throwing tantrums>Tarnished are designated by the Fingers (who are on vacation from fisting gay guys at the club probably) to get rid of them and restore "order"That's all I got about the plot and I don't care if it's right. I can't take magical fantasy seriously when characters do something and it's just hand waving "because I said so" bullshit. Ok. Cause and effect immediately go out the window because magic. Why are there zombie people everwhere? Bibbity bobbity boo. I'm sure the story is great. Its presentation doesn't matter for the game at all. I'm not going to bother reading item descriptions. 6 gorillion characters with names that all sound alike. Let me just fight the controls in peace.
>>737320110What? It's completely different. Magic in Dark Souls is cast by the user projecting his own soul outwards in a mass. Magic in Elden Ring is cast by summoning shards of the cosmos and it starts turning you into a star if you use it for long enough.
>>737319775mad how much r/eldenring fellates him
>>737321980Exactly, I thought the sorcerers you meet who are vegetative, are just manifesting this new world’s “magic” (star rocks) with their soul, by giving up their body completely. Could have read it wrong, but I saw it as coming in line with the themes of cycles that’s all over the story, but I could be lost in the sauce.
>>737322162I’m not that mad, I just feel like he depersonalizes what should be a very personal experience of interpreting the text, but I literally cannot control the way people have fun, so I’m just gonna take the piss.
>>737303292This had been very explicitly stated. He lived to fight even before becoming Elden Lord. He fought and killed everything worthwhile and the light in his eyes went out from boredom. Marika told him to go on an adventure to fight stuff and come back when he feels better.
>>737297828You're mostly right. Its not completely without substance, there is a lot of connection worldbuildig in there, but the problem is that the world of Elden Ring is *too big* and as a result most of it just doesn't connect meaningfully to anything else. You have some stuff that is densely connected and well developed, and then a lot of shit that is just padding with no relation to anything whatsoever.Compare it to a more focused Fromsoft game, like Bloodborne, and its night and day. Basically everything in Bloodborne is topical and relevant, it all fits together into a cohesive world. Elden Ring has some things that reflect a similar attempt, but its one thats mostly failed because they had to sacrifice coherent lore to make an open world game work.
>>737307006He wrote a pretty lengthy document that according to Miyazaki they were still drawing from even for the story of the DLC. Everything to do with the royal family is 100% up his alley and many of the other story details in the game are the kind of thing he'd write, his influence on the game is sizeable.
>>737321980The deepest the link goes between games is calling the deepest well to pull magic from the abyss conceptually.
>>737322942dragons were the ruling civilization until placi's god disappeared, gold and moon married, the outer gods. those are the big 3 points, from those you can connect everything
>>737324005How do you explain the Dragons attacking the Golden Order then?
>>737324157NTA, but they found out Marika had thd elden ring and wanted it back
>>737324157>placi set up his tornado neet room and fucked off>rest of the ancient dragons just sit up there holding their dicks>peek out>oh shit humans got the onion ring get em>get beat by a shonen protagonist and some of them get integrated into the golden order through the power of friendship
>>737324934Not even dragons can resist the BGC of Godwyn the GOATed
>>737323028>his influence on the game is sizeableand yet Miyazaki fucked it up, ONE JOB
its gibberish
>>737297828
>>737324005>>737324157>>737324934>>737325141See, here is one of the places where the lore breaks down. There appear to be multiple competing versions of whats happened here, and they don't quite mesh. On the one hand, we are told that the Dragons had their own Elden Lord back in the day. Indications seem to be that the mantle of Elden Lord as 'king shit of the world' is something that was around for a very long time before the Golden Order came into being, and that Marika co-opted the name for her own religion. Notice how in the faith of the Erdtree, the person who is Elden Lord isn't actually in charge. Elden Lord has been reduced to being the consort of Marika, the goddess, the actual ruler. So they took the title of the most powerful person in the world and then reframed it as one of subservience to Marika as a power play/declaration of superiority. Neat! This feels like it should be part of something greater.But while the base game is almost coherent on this point, with only a few gaps to fill in to create a coherent chain of progression, the DLC fucks the whole thing up and now there is no way to square the circle between the position of elden lord, the elden ring, the elden beast, the land of shadow, and the process of using the gate of gods. We're back to nothing being related again. We have two entirely different origin stories that never actually connect with each other despite both needing to have been true based on in-game evidence for each.
>>737326118Nothing in the DLC contradicta anything we said or that you said in your second paragraph, you fucking retard.
>>737326118Elden Lord clearly has metaphysical implications, it's not just a meaningless bureaucratic title. Morgott is clearly king of the anthill at the time we meet him, yet he is never called Elden Lord, nor even a Lord for that matter.We are given no reason to believe that Placidusax's role as Dragonlord was any different from Godfrey's or Radahn's. Only that he held it at one point.
>>737326434I actually disagree, the elden lord's role does seem to be entirely practical and ag times disposible. He is the emperor who wields force against the world to enforce divine will, nothing more or less. Morgott never ruled beyond Altus Plateau andbhd knew his dad was alive, and is also self loathing to a fault, so it would be inaccurate and OoC to call himself elden lord.
>>737297828Elden Ring movie will be canon and destroy every lorefag's existence
>>737327713No one cares about video game movies you stupid faggot
>>737328138More people will care about that than your shitty lore videos Vaati
I love how people get mad at Elden Ring barely having a story when it's coherent and understandable if you compare it to every previous Souls game.
