How do we stop this fellow mega corporation lovers?
>>737298792ROSS WONMALDAVIUS LOSTI WAS HERE
so this is what happens when democracy works?why don't we have that in the us?
>>737298792Have you tried calling them brown and poor? I have but they keep doing unethical company destroying crimes
>>737298792Desibros you need to up your game, Timmy is catching on. Not me, me did everything goodly, but others desis? Not so good.
>>737298845Don't overappreciate it. For every good thing EU does they fuck 3 things up. There are reasons bongs leaving the EU happened.
>>737298845What? You mean people legally have to provide services that they promised and you paid for? I, but, this is, uh, how can, but, surely, I mean, splutter splutter
>>737298845Sorry, more money to Israel
>>737298845>EU>working democracy
>>737298915They left because they thought they were still an actual empire. Why they were under that delusion noone can tell.
Companies will stop releasing their games in EU... Or something... Serves them right!
>>737298792It's a heartening reminder that any one nerd can make a difference. Some neckbeard living in a mold-filled apartment in Poland can change the world.God bless Ross' autistic love of bad old games, and love of the medium as a whole.
>>737298845>weYou're brown.
>>737298984Why the fuck does he live in Poland
>>737298970>no more live-service shitHow is that a bad thing? I also don't complain that I am unable to buy milk laced with arsenic.
My dad didn't work at Blizzard for this.
>>737298915Yeah, the EU is admittedly good on consumer protection. Its shit on everything else tho.
>>737299005I really don't know. He's married, maybe he moved to her.
>>737298845The US is such a young nation. Their idea of tyranny is tea taxes. In Europe, we've had plenty of actual tyrants, so we take democracy more seriously.
>>737298792Whatever legislation they provide we'll just rename our products from "games" to "services" and force people to sign wavers when they purchase our services.
>>737298970Nah, too big a market
>>737298957nice projection, ivan. sorry that we wont let you poles clean our toilets anymore.
The EU is just doing the bare minimum, maintaining the baseline. It's the west and the east that are busy fucking their consumers to an unprecedented degree.
>>737298845It's more that EU sees this as a chance to show that the citizen appeal system works with something that doesn't compromise its agenda.
>>737299085I didn't know polish toilet cleaners were such a menace. But at least you got that under control by getting Indians.
>>737298845The way EU democracy works is that if the vote doesn't go the way the unelected heads of the organisation want they just make everyone vote on it over and over until it does. See: chat control.
>>737298915Remind what's the reason
>>737299107Won't lobbyists pour money into their pockets for bending the knee regardless if it compromises its agenda?
>>737298957you got it wrong. we left because we see the EU as an empire & we want no part of it. centralisation of power & glomohomo btfo
>>737299150>See: chat control.Even when the vote for that passed, it ran into every single human rights- and constitution law in every nation, so its practically frozen because nobody wants telephone operators spying and recording your phone calls.
>>737298915ThisIt's absolutely shit on so many points but at least it's pro consumerish. Still shit. Not sure if as shit as the USA though
>>737299150Chat control has been completely gutted by now. They had to strip away more and more of it with each rejection.
>>737298792Mutts and japs are absolutely seething over this.
>>737299189We left because you believed a bunch of lying grifters. Good job, retard.
>>737298792You can't stop it, something about Ross makes him divine and everyone that goes against him gets ruined while he sits by and eats beans. That man is protected by God, nothing in the mortal realm can stop him.
>>737299189Isn't your own government extremely centralised?
>>737299150They're already implementing chat control even though they haven't managed to make it pass.
>>737298792>pass some monopoly money under the table to members of Parliament>get them to slip in loopholes and exemptions into the legislation>put some magic legal words on the product>don't have to assent to any of SKG's goals I love legal bribery, fellow corporations.
>>737299101>least delusional petition signer
>>737298970God I fucking wish big companies were this baded. Imagine Europe without itoddlers
>>737298792Not happening, those shit dead games will stay deadYou own NOTHING
>>737299281I haven't signed it yet, thanks for reminding me. How long does it take?
>>737299036It's also great for trade. Hate when I have to pay import tax for orders from the UK
>>737298792>monkey's paw finger curls>only singleplayer games are released nowUhhh BASED??
>>737299189>glomohomoYour children get raped daily by paki rape gangs but your police is more concerned with jailing people for saying mean words online.
btw happend also today >EU: The European Union will require sale of mobile phones with “user-replaceable and longer-lasting batteries” starting in 2027.>The regulation demands “availability of spare parts and manuals for 10 years to curb planned obsolescence”.
>>737299150US is the same way with amendments to bills forever until you get whatever scam you wanted passed bundled with something else everyone actually wants/needs. If your party is in power my part will amend lowering the age of consent to 1 on everything so none of your legislation passes.
>>737299279Interpol has always been able to track your phones if you've been part of organized crime. Last year a huge number of smugglers got caught when a disguised police sold them a bunch of compromised "non-traceable phones" that police could listen directly. They let the honeypot operate for 2 years before the massive arrests.
>>737298915And how is the Brexit working out for them?
From a legal perspective it just doesn't make sense. If they are forced to discontinue a service, and cannot offer you an extension, then of course you are entitled to compensation.
Yeah companies will make the new MSRP $200 but at least the 5 niggers who still play [insert obscure live service game released in 2015] can still play it right??
>>737299420Which is why game companies would rather just make dedicated server support in one weekend instead of returning all their earnings.
>>737299440>MSRP $200And I will buy the disc 17 a year later.
i hope you get everything you asked for but nothing you wanted
>>737298792Quick, deploy the Babel Media jeet shills!
>>737298915The brexit was a disaster and now most bongs regret leaving.
>>737299461I'm sure they wouldn't have to return all their earnings, they can deduct from time used compared to the average lifespan of the product. Which is quite long if digital.
>>737299440This. We should take any and all abuse devs give us in the desperate hopes that they don't make games more expensive
>>737299420>>737299461You niggers are fucking retarded lmaoHere is what will happen, read up so you can prepare your cope:Licenses will no longer be sold. Just temporary subscriptions to access the software as is.Oops. Too bad eurotard faggot commie. All you bought was a subscription. Yeah the end of service was reached. Too bad, bye now.You are RETARDED if you think you can coerce producers like this. Jesus.
>>737299440Yes. Those niggers bought that game, so they are entitled to play it. If that's the cost for the company, then the company can and should demand that money from its customers, especially if there's no cheaper alternative
>>737299374Imagine how hard you would be getting fucked in the ass if it wasn't for the EU. Maybe you Americans should start being nicer to us.
>>737299554You are a stupid bitch if you think its just going to be as easy as waving your hand and everyone will get with the program. I have no respect for European retards who think regulation is the answer to everything.
>>737299169They really weren't in on 100% of the obligations the EU imposed, and they set their own rules even for shengen shit, as always it was a political movement that completely deceived their citizens because they preached how EU law was oppressing them and now in the UK you get jailed for twitter posts and they have record high immigration from all the criminals rejected from the rest of the EU.
>>737299515Good morning saar, SKG is commanism, excrement33 is jeeted game inferor to ass ass in shadow, i spam cheeze pizza if u disagree
>>737299548Required by EU law, if it's a subscription then you've the right to cancel it. So I'll beat the game in one day and get a 95% refund.
>>737298792Moldman won. Ferret fucker on suicide watch.
This really is just a nebulous blob of fucking nothing. I watched their whole parliament discussion and not once did they ever discuss anything that was concretely about WHY developers should be forced to support games forever. There was never any concrete example of even something like >Game X is played by this many players and otherwise cannot be playable outside of the servers being opened>Game X was discontinued and it's impossible to play offline and/or make private servers for itAlmost like because this hypothetical game DOESN'T EXIST. There ARE no practical use cases for this movement and all it does is tell a developer "hey you should be beholden to maintenance costs and licensing fees and copyright negotiations AS IF you are planning to run this game until the heat death of the universe".This is going to KILL video games, you fucking faggots. I hope you ACTUALLY get some legislation done for this and I can laugh at everyone who supported this decision when they realize just how big of a mistake this is.
>>737299618You WILL follow the regulations and you WILL be happy. Unless you are a publisher, then you WILL be extremely unhappy.
>>737299664>Ferret fuckerqrd? we have new villain in this arc?
>protects you personal data>lets you refund any digital purchase for 30 days with no questions asks>gives you free money and free education>bans lootboxes or makes the odds completely public and transparent>won't allow nigger devs to shut down games in the future
>>737299347seems they prefer their own brand of localhomo instead of globohomo
>>737299717he is referring to pirate softwarepirate is a furry and owns tons of ferrets
>>737299180Lobbyists can pour as much money as they want, but gaming is nowadays a global phenomenon even women play games, so they'd have to fight the own politicians thoughts on the matter, which they might have some strong opinions that might not be aligned with the lobbies.
>>737299618Luckily your respect is not required by anyone for any reason
>>737299548>>737299705An Indian schizo hallucinating? This is the best that JIDF can pay?
>>737299776Also mandatory 3 year long warranties for cars, home appliances and computers, don't know if more things are also covered.
>>737299385absolutely devilish
>>737299776so why do they want to kill encryption?
>>737298916>>737298792>pay $10 for 1 month of WoW subscription>"You are now forced to let me play WoW forever, and when I die my children will also have the right to play WoW, and so on, and if the servers are not running in 1 billion years you will be sued back to the stone age motherhuggers, you better figure out something for when the heat death of the universe happens because I'LL BE FRICKIN MAD IF YOU STOP HOSTING BY THENThe SKG ideology is pure evil.
>>737299946>subscriptionDeserved, SKG is based
>>737299946Not my problem, don't make a game if you don't intend to let me play it whenever I want
>>737299347yes, anon, the britbong is HIGHLY aware that femcels have absolutely silently invaded every fascet of power and have fucked the country, as does most of europe, the US, and any civilised society.The people will correct the ship soon enough, and it wont be pretty.>if millions must go, then millions will go>"But, how?"we force them. France says no, we cut of their fishing in OUR waters.if we cant find their country of origin, or theyre a kid of some immigrants, than we either just deport them to somalia, jail them, or kill them.>isnt jail and executions expensivedoesnt have to be. Just put them in a box or shoot them and dump the body on someone elses sand.Despite significant millitary cuts, the UK still has the best navy and airforce in europe, with a government that cares funding them, they'll be back to being dominant in 10 years.
>>737299946aquagod don't miss
>>737298845You'd better stop being antisemitic right fucking now.
>>737299946No idea how no one else realized this but the entire movement is a maneuver to get infinite subscription time in subscription-based games
>>737299946what a miserable job you landed
>>737298915Please don't pretend that Bongs didn't leave because they were retarded. They left the EU because the EU was too moderate in fucking everything up.>We can't possibly let Microcock acquire Activision, they'd have a monopoly. What if Ubisoft had the cloud gaming rights to it for 15 years instead.Actual O'Brian damage, there's a poor Irishman somewhere out there who has been savagely beaten by a mob of British legislators.>>737299946>Hey there Atlas, I see you shouldering the earth indefinitely for the good of humanity, what if you fucked off and I shouldered that burden for the good of 10$ a month>WOAH THIS IS HEAVY! Where can I dump this piece of shit? I can't possibly give it back to Atlas.
>>737299705City of Heroes>b-but there's a private server nowonly possible thanks to a dev leaking the entire source code
>>737300000
>>737299946TRVKE
>>737299705GoodKill videogames
>>737300021>Implying anyone wants to fish in open septic tank that is BritainGet a sewage and sewage treatment system that's not from the 80s first, most of your coastal landmass is wetwipes.
>>737299005His wife is Polish. And he apparently finds Poland more pleasant to live than US.
>>737300126Wasted
>>737298792Total GAAS Death
The SKG people opened by stating they have no issue with subscription-based games as it is clear in the terms when your access to said service ends. So the end result of this will be no more purchasing of any games and instead we have EA Pass, Activision Pass, Steam Indie Pass, etc all for a monthly fee. Brilliant!
For devs to allow you to have private servers, they'd need to give you the SBMM code since it's integrated to how the servers work. That is literally the main selling point of online games and you want devs to just give it to you
Games that are like Helldivers in the future will just have a single player option and tell you to fuck off when they shut the servers off because 'it works'
>>737298915The UK wants to rejoin the EU you tard
>>737299946>misrepresents the argumentfor a shitpostspecifically live service games like mmos are excluded from SKG bootlicking troon
lol if only people were this invested in shit that actually matters>muh bideo gamescringe as fuck
>>737300202they arnt using it anymore, so thats fine
Quite white.
>>737300219No it doesn't
>>737300228the vast majority of people arguing against SKG genuinely do not understand anything about SKGits so funny. and most of it is all because of that dumb fuck pirate software
>>737300228See >>737300197now every game is a live service, congrats!
>>737299946you paid for 1 month of subcription as clearly stated. you never bought a game. like paying for a month of netflix, you can't actually buy the movies so you can't keep them.
>>737300230Leave my bread and circus alone
>>737299374>to curb planned obsolescenceMaan i would love it if they apply this for everything not just phones. Corporations have been making everything shittier and shittier as time has passed.
>>737300202>SBMMThis is just sunk cost, number-go-up LARPing. It's random matchmaking that occasionally matches you with retards to get you to seethe about retards while you engage in Skinner box shit and daily rituals.Dedicated server browsers are optimal for all games.
>>737300321https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Upf_B9RLQ
>>737299005Poland is pretty nice if you have a job. It's not a soviet hellhole people on the internet would want you to believe.>When adjusted for purchasing power parity (PPP), the GDP per capita in Poland is estimated at $45,000–$59,000 USD by 2025–2026
>>737300293>you can't actually buy the movies so you can't keep them.You can on Amazon Prime. That's one fucking can of worms that EU should really take a look at.>i am already paying a subscription fee, why do I have to pay additionally to unlock the movie I want to watch?
So was that it? The EU promised to discuss it and they did. No new law was formed, no legal action taken. They talked and agreed that this was bad and they wrapped it up and that was that?The EU is obligated to discuss an issue with this many signatures but that's it, they're done.
>>737300293So every always-online game will just move to a rent/subscription model like "you're buying this game but only getting access for 5 years, extended by another 5 if we want"
>>737300021I didn't know britbongs were this delusional
>>7372993171 minute
>>737300281That would severely hurt the sales of most games
>>737300390You expect them to write an entire law and approve it in a day?
>>737300175as someone in their mid 30s, its shocking how all the waterways in the UK were in my youth, safe, clean water. Our drinking water was literally a gold standard in the world even in the 80s.now its, IIRC, 90% of all waterways are considered unsafe to be in. Open sewage dumping has been found multiple times, nothing happens.Britain is a poor country larping as a rich country, no thanks to all the imported working class.that being said, france and other euronigs keep INSISTING on using our waters to fish in, the bit between England and France is ripe with fish, technically its ours, but we are forced to let them use it because muh human rights.Get a PM with balls in and that stops, im shocked this wasnt part of the brexit deal as a strong arm, but then, we had an old woman in charge at that time so... it was inevitable. Trump wouldve just told them fuck off, give us what we want out of brexit, and if you dont like it, no more fish, and if you complain we will sink your ships. Its THAT easy
>>7372999461. I'm pretty sure at this point WoW is the sole subscription based mass-played title in the market. If their terms of service are "You need to pay an active subscription fee in order to access this game" then that's their terms of service you agreed to. Only way that'd backfire on them is if people never stop paying subs then blizzard is forced to keep the lights on forever. Or if they tried to force everyone to quit by raising the sub prices to ridiculously levels but even then you know there'd be one saudi oil prince happy to pay $5000 per month on a sub to spite them.2. If a game dev didnt wanna keep a game running forever, then they shouldn't have tried to sell people a digital license to play a game that requires the devs to keep it online.It's like if someone sold you a car that only ran on fuel the dealer produced. Then complained that they didn't wanna produce any more fuel and just wanted to make a new car that ran on different fuel.Everyone would call them retarded and unscrupulous for being short sighted.>>737300279>>737300197>>737300068If the industry wants to move towards "Every title is now subscription based if you want us to keep the servers running forever" the smaller devs will just collapse themselves.People are already more frugal than ever with their purchases and struggle to justify paying for a full price game. Less successful games will just attract EVEN LESS players due to the subscription model turning people off and the devs will go out of business. Or worse, they'll attract a tiny playerbase who will refuse to stop paying subscription fees and they'll blleed money for 1000 years and turn zero profit.Its a net positive for the industry because devs will be far more careful not to just throw sloppa at the wall for a quick profit and write off any losses when the game sunsets after 12 months because of the long haul server obligation they'll have
>>737300281>turns gaming into netflix where you can turn it off whenever you want or pay 15$ for the whole microslop librarythis isn't that bad an alternative to paying 70$ for games the publisher can turn off forever from you
>>737298845> democracyEU parliament is not democratically elected and the EU commission is not elected at all. There is no democracy here.
So what? Chinese gachas are banned in the EU now?
>>737300485No but they aren't obligated to do that. The only thing those 1.X million signatures guarantees is that they'll talk about it, once, and they have. That was it. You're never hearing this bought up again.
>>737300395Name literally ONE (1) thing he said that was wrong.
>>737300295>>737300230oy vey youre right we should be arguing about things that matter like trans rights xisters!
>online petition finally makes it to the house>its a shitty video games onethe outcry needed to even get it that far should disconcert you all entirely, we're talking youtubers with millions of subs making multiple videos for it to get where it is, meanwhile the fuckhole government is still fucking up entirely in other aspects of life other than your precious video games
>>737300393Then you are being sued for unfair business practices, unless you lower your game price from one time pay of 60$ to let's say 5$ per month. Because why should you charge full price for a subscription? And then calculate if it's so cost-efficient for you when people beat the game in 2 days and then cancel the subsctiption.
>>737300592Sounds like you might have a skin issue.
>>737300592As long as I have my vidya, I have my coping mechanism for how shit everything else is
>>737299548>reddit spacingDidn't read.
>>737300393They could do that right now but won't because it isn't financially viable and attractive to customers.
>>737300538They are not obligated to do anything but they will take into account that over 1 million people petitioned for it and this would only become a bigger issue if they ignore it. Plus the EU has taken on much bigger fights for consumer rights so I don't see why they would abandon this one.
EA (obviously) already tried the "subscription based method". It was an unmitigated disaster because nobody bought a subscription.
They've had their talk.It resulted in nothing.Ross goes home.This issue is forgotten in a week.Every representative will find some other issue to grandstand on, I'm sure plastic soda bottles kill fish or something, and this movement will officially be over.You lost.
>>737300197this is a good pointwhat's stopping steam or consoles from providing all developers and publishers with a subscription plan where you can sell your games but the user has to pay some small fee to keep playing their own gamesand then if a game shuts down they can say 'you subscribed to us via this steam subscription'corpos must be brainstorming more devilish ideas than that
>>737298845America is a republic, not a democracy. Stop being communist and buy the new game when the old one gets shut down.
>>737300592>waaaa why did you call EA the worst company in america and not a bank or monsantobecause the bank or monsanto would have (rightfully) laughed and ignored it. EA sperged out twice.same with this situation. canadians lost bank account access for protesting government overreach, ubisoft doesn't hold that power. we're senisbly refusing to bite off more than we can chew
>>737300293>you can't actually buy the movies so you can't keep themExplain my Interstellar copy then you absolute baboon.
>>737300752>the corporate is afraid
>>737300592true, where's the outcry over this age verification bullshit?
>>737300708Then they won't. This movement will be overshadowed by some Italian wanting to put safer corks on wine or something and they'll get all worked up about it and push a new law regarding wine bottles and no one will remember SKG existed. No EU elected official is going to gamble their careers on fighting for an entertainement for most people consider bad for their kids anyway.
>>737300867These are not elected officials
>>737299101Chinks being in that image is a joke. With their pandemics, collapsing bridges, burning factories, falling space rockets, poisoned waters. If media had free insight people would see some serious shit.
>>737298915>>737298957We left cause old boomers thought we were still a global power instead of a dying one. Russia was also funding part of the Brexit campaign as part of their propaganda campaigns in order to fracture the EU as well. The other major part was that the vast majority of people here are uneducated retards, they were mad about tory austerity and thus voted for Brexit as a way to stick it to Cameron who was a pompous cunt and so shot themselves in the foot. Mind you, Brexit was and still is not the reason our economy is dying, its like being stabbed after being shot twenty times. Sure being stabbed is bad but we were already bleeding out.
>>737299374In 2027:>new high priced region locked EU-only devices>Illegal to import cheaper foreign devicesSomeone’s paying for the increased costs and guess who it is: you, the consumer
>>737300857You people don't understand, that meeting was IT. There is no follow up meeting planned. Ther isn't a legal action created or some law-debate or a proposal in the works.You got your meeting and now that they've had it and concluded bad things happen sometimes they'll go back to talking about grown-up, more politically important issues.
>ERM WHAT THE CHUNGUS YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUE BUT THINGS DIDN'T IMPROVE IMMEDIATELY?! CLEARLY YOUR WHOLE INITIATIVE FAILED!!!Idiocracy was not supposed to be a documentary.
>>737300281Live service no, subscription service. Live services is the reason this shit happened in the first place (The crew was the "kickstarter" of all this shit)
>>737300956>>new high priced region locked EU-only devices>>Illegal to import cheaper foreign devicesThis isn't legal.
>>737300850It's misguided when Ross compared buying video games to books and movies. In actuality, it's like buying a ticket to an amusement park ride. The amusement park (video game publishers) paid and contracted for the construction of the roller coaster, sometimes to make it sell more they'll license an IP to add copyrighted characters, music etc to make it more attractive. Your ticket is not you buying a copy of that roller coaster, just the 5 minute ride. Subscription services are more like the park saying "buy this super special ticket that allows you to go inside the park and ride the roller coaster anytime you want". It's entirely ridiculous to now say "well you said this special ticket will let me ride the roller coaster anytime I want, so if I want to go here and ride that roller coaster again in 30 years I should be able to do it in exactly the same way I did 30 years ago."
>>737300982Yeah people are celebrating before the cow is sold
>>737300930Meh, same difference.
>>737300504>Trump wouldve just told them fuck off, give us what we want out of brexit, and if you dont like it, no more fish, and if you complain we will sink your ships.And then let them fish anyway and completely fail to actually achieve any goals. And make the water worse somehow.
>>737299085>Ivan>PolishAnglo education
>>737300982We already went through this, pajeet. Several times over the months.
>>737301054Ivszancz
>>737301030If your point is that they wouldn't wanna risk their career by potentially alienating their base then that goes out the fucking window
>>737300995>Idiocracy was not supposed to be a documentary.youre one of those people who just parrots memes ad infinitum arent you
>>737301020In actuality it's like buying an amusement park ride for your home, and then the seller of the ride stopping you from riding it even though you still have the amusement park ride.
>>737300995When is their next meeting? When is their independent study launching? When are the lawmakers sitting down to write the proposal?You lost not because nothing's happening immediatly, you lost because nothing's happening at all.
>>737300792America is not a Republic.The definition of a republic requires a constitution and America has de facto overruled its own constitution so that it can pursue bloated, unconstitutional 20th century copyright law.
>>737298915>There are reasons bongs leaving the EU happened.Yeah and the reason was that the EU wasn't flooding UK with pakis as fast as bongs wanted apparently LMAO
>>737301089Their base being corpos who have paid them to be there and to let video games die or their voters who are mostly old boomers that don't care about video games doesn't matter. The winning move is still to look empathic and do nothing.
>>737299069Waivers mean nothing in the EUNice try jew
Is it really that hard to patch a game so it can be used with dedicated servers? I remember they used to be the norm before CoD changed that forever, it must not be very hard nor expensive to implement.
>he sounds completely normal in the hearing I knew he was faking that whiny voice to sound as annoying as possible for engagement bait.
>>737301160By that logic no nation is a nation at all, simply because every nation on the planet has modified their founding document at some point.
>>737299280Just like with apple right?
>>737301245It's trivially easy to the point that it was done as a matter of course back in the day, but greed makes it undesirable.
>>737301182This isn't the US buddy, the EU has a history of going against massive corporations who end up bending the knee every single time
>>737301290Yeah? How many video game corporations have done so? The biggest money making entetainement sector on the planet. Think Nintendo will bow down to some silly law that is never going to be written anyway?Again, until something passes into actual international law, you have achieved nothing.
>>737298845Because "democracy" is on pause while muricans are getting juiced on Freedom™, and true democracy is done for, because corpos have their hands so far up DC's asses, most politicians are basically literal puppets
>>737299618>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST REGULATE AGAINST ME DUMPING ALL MY SHIT INTO THE NEAREST RIVER THIS GOES AGAINST THE FREE MARKET AAIIIEEEEEEEEEECorporations have repeatedly proven they don't know how to behave so they get REGULATED
>>737301017They do this with cars all the time. They sell Porsches or BMWs cheaper outside the EU, but you effectively can‘t import them back into the EU because of 10,000 pages of regulation. Also they deliberately make the plugs different so you can’t hook it up to EU emissions testing machines to prove that it is in fact the exact same engine with the exact same emissions as the EU spec car
>>737301125After a few months, The Parliment is obligated to put forward to the initiative members what legal measures were proposed if any. But there is 99% chance there will be legal steps introduced.That's what the hearing was all about - if the EU Comission didn't find the matter important, they would've told them that directly. The fact that SKG convinced the MPs that the issue is worth discussing is a proof enough. Also 1.3 million signatures - that's another proof of importance. Most citizen initiatives don't get that far.So the fact that you get to the EU hearing in the first place signals to the EU council that this problem is real.
>>737301392citizens united will be repealed before 2030screencap this
>>737301390If Google fell in line I'm sure getting EA and Activision to behave is not gonna be much of a problem
Corposhills getting desperate...
>>737300512>subscription based mass-played title in the market.OSRS has been assfucking it for the last 10 years
>>737299343Monkey's paw is supposed to make a bad outcome, not a good one
>>737301438>But there is 99% chance there will be legal steps introduced. Delusional. In a few months every rep's palm will be greased and every forerunner will be focused on a different issue.
>>737299618Is the lead in your wall paint juicy, anon?What about the one in your fuel?
>>737301245Pretty much every game devs have their own internal servers used for testing, they just switch servers for the release.They just don't want to let you own anything, see tutlewow.
EU has a chance to fuck over the US techbros and corporations? Especially when Trump is a royal asshole towards them?Oh, they will grab onto that opportunity at the moment's notice.
>>737298845America is a republic first.
>>737301390>Think Nintendo will bow down to some silly law that is never going to be written anyway?Nintendo is literally producing an european switch 2 with easily replaceable battery right now
>>737298792EU loves it because they know it can lead to more fines on massive foreign corporations. They don't care about consumer protection, just raping companies that don't comply with their dumb rules to fund their inflated salaries.
>>737299946Stop raping ferrets.
>>737301468If there was ever going to be a window for that, it would be by that time, but I very much doubt itHere's hoping I'm wrong>>737301583Slow your roll, it's a democratic republic. It "works" because it's both
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>>737299343I see no downside here.
>>737301570>destroy trust and relationship with large US corporations because a sitting US president is a bullyretarded faggot eurocuck, I'm so glad you're getting filled with boat niggers and gypsies lmao
>>737301275It's not just about modifying the founding document, it's about deciding that the constitution just doesn't matter when compared to EU parity and following existing precedent established when congress pretended that it didn't matter (Eldred v. Ashcroft 2003).>To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.This hasn't de jure stopped being what gives congress the right to pass copyright law, but congress will just de facto continue on pretending that it can impose whatever copyright law it wants.
>>737301596I would do the same thing too desugames recognizes game
>>737300792>America is a republic, not a democracyexcellent bait
>>737301390>Think Nintendo will bow down to some silly law that is never going to be written anyway?They already bent the knee to europe by providing free repairs for joy con drift for all switch 1 owners
>>737298915bongs left because they convinced themselves that all their problems were the EU's faultturns out that in reality the EU was bailing them out of their own stupidity constantly and they now are in freefall and on their way to unironically become a 3rd world shithole
>>737301583Yeah just like how only congress can declare wa...oh...
>>737301657Sounds like muttcope.
>>737298792the best thing to come out of this would be the death of an online requirement.all games need to be functional offline thus making denuvo illegal.I want to see people go to jail over trying scam gamers with games that brick themselves or get stolen from you via a sever.Nintendo facing criminal fines over the switch 2 having a remote bricking mechanism, ect.
>>737301390Nintendo can brick american consoles. They can't do that to european consumers.
>>737301703The UK thing is genuinely entertaining. As an American, it's nice to not be ones being laughed at for once.
>>737301703>boomers vote leave>they die before any consequences happen
>>737301570First you need to address the root which is payment processing. The sooner the world gets off the burger systems and petrodollar the sooner everything else will improve.
>>737298915>There are reasons bongs leaving the EU happenedbecause they think they're better than everybody else
>>737300521>you vill own nasing and you vill be happy is a good thing
>>737301705No, what Trump did was actually very illegal. That's one of the reasons why no US ally (outside of Bibi of course) showed up to help Trump in his next desert adventure. Together with the fact that this war is y'know, nonsensical.And Trump's getting empeached post-midterms, that one is for certain.
The faggots at resetera seething at SKG was the last thing I needed to confirm Ross' cause is righteous
>>737301843>they diegod i wish
>>737301912>that one is for certainDamn just as certain as it was last time, huh
>>737301832As an Australian, if things carry on the way they are we might be giving you a comedy show to laugh at too in a couple of years.Our boomers are hilariously fucked.
I fartted
Best argument in the presentation was that the devs themselves don't want the games to die forever so programming in an offline mode from the beginning is really barely any work that is gladly done.
this is gonna backfire and you people will be eating crow somedayRunning to the government for regulation always ends up the same fucking way, the government doesn't care and wants its bag, the issue keeps happening and more papers please nonsense enacted all because you don't want to move on from a dead game you bought 15 years ago
>>737301912>And Trump's getting empeached post-midtermsWell he should have been empeached 3 seconds after shitting on both the letter and the spirit of the constitution, not 10 months later after the damage has been done.
>>737301912Technically it was Israel who kickstarted the war and Trump is helping out his jew friends
>barely any workstupid skigger faggots
>>737302023if businesses don't like regulations they should stop creating demand for it in the free marketplace of ideas
>>737298792We adapt.Step 1) we do the public server shit they wantStep 2) stop paying money for serversStep 3) keep the online store upStep 4) ???Step 5) profitIt's like 500 bucks per month to keep the shop up, while the users pay for the actually expensive server shitMinecraft does a lot of revenue that way
>>737301968This time around they might in fact get those 2/3rds.Friendly reminder, that Trump's approval poll is currently at around 37-38%. It's the lowest number for any president in all American history.
>>737301884>15$ to play slop and perma access for offline gamessettle down muhammad
>>737302023Nihilist fuck off.>ugh nothing matters bro why even bother bro it all ends the same bro don't even do anything
>>737302029you are not american you brics nigger retard how much more do we need to rape you till you learn to behave?or is the leaky clitty from the fat american cock in your ass something you love by now?
>>737298792Why are mutts so mad about it, even though they benefit from it? Do they really enjoy being fucked by corpos or are they paid shills? Or is it this retarded muttslave mentality when they imagine themselves being as the CEO thinking all those laws are le bad for them in the long run while they are wagecucking in a warehouse? Like the type of mentality where slave imagines himself to be the master instead of a free man?
Man people doing consolewars was really just a flavour of corporate bootlicking.Every anti post in these threads reads like a valve fanboy.
>>737301832oh we're still getting laughed at
>>737300956see the funny thing about EU being a consumer goods dumping ground is that it costs more to set up additional lines to create de-facto two kinds of products instead of just one for the entire world, and at this point you might as well make the one that fulfills eu regulations the global oneso uhhh enjoy consumer rights leftovers, amerifats, it's on the house
>>737298915>There are reasons bongs leaving the EU happened.Yeah, because over half of them fell for shitty propaganda with shit like 'funding the NHS' disappearing the moment brexit won.I say this as a moron who is still stuck in Birmingham.
>>737299548You are so stupid
>>737302082More like (((journalists))) never had so much to gain from lying about polls
>>737302002Oh? What do you guys have in the pipeline? Boomers across the world really won't be missed anywhere IMO.
>skg passes and becomes some sort of law/regulation>companies only offer europeans subscriptions to software products henceforth kekaroo
>>737301647>forced hate speech bans in your game>forced homosexuality in your gameI'd rather just not sell to the EU
>>737299776Also dont forget that they are adding this new law about easily replacable battery for phones
>>737302118I'm suffering the consequences the same as (You), and still people believe the US is a bastion of justice, democracy and republicanism.
>>737302159Do brits really vote against their own interest because they saw a slogan on a bus?
>>737302198How'd that work out for Valve and Apple
>>737299548you are correct! you are 100% correct! y ou are right! these services will not be sold as products, but as services instead, which involves a whole cool set of protection laws and publishers will not be able to double dip anymorei have no idea how you're painting it as a loss for consumers, is this some sort of an advanced homosexual dementia?
>>737302198European/Canadian companies will comply. US companies won't, their loss. Name 5 games made in US in last 5 years that were any good.
>>737302258Yes it's called Political Campaigning and has existed since the Stone Age.
>>737302198Is that the next stage of cope? Yesterday you were touting companies will stop bringing games to europeans altogether kek
>>737298957US stits on EU all days
Why so much kvetching over this? Why would you ever oppose games not getting destroyed?
>>737302258It was a 52% to 48% to leave the EU so at least half of us.Real talk though, this happens everywhere in the world.
>>737302159I wonder if pro-Brexit people feel silly now or if they're so deep in the cope that they don't even see the problem anymore.
>>737302369Because I don't want all games to turn into subscriptions, which is what will happen
>>737299189British empire pioneered globohomo. Ye reap what ye sow
>>737302102I will not pay for a shitty subsciption service no matter how much they pay you to shill the idea
>>737301912>And Trump's getting empeached post-midtermsKEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>737299418It's working out pretty great. For us non-brits I mean, because we don't have to deal with or be in any sort of proximity to these people anymore.
>>737300861Age verification is based. No more 8-year olds in my PG-18 games.
>>737302109How in the fuck do you manage to interpret that as nihilism?
>>737302385>1700%
>>737302029>>737301912remember when Clinton got impeached for a blowjob lol
>>737302385>so deep in the cope that they don't even see the problem anymore.This one, boomers are all pride, brexit OBVIOUSLY failed because of something else, like [Name] [Surname] not being elected or the young chaps of today.
>>737302369When has a game ever glbeen destroyed?
>>737298845You actually do, but it's a flawed two party system that constantly backs each other pretending they hate each other and create an illusion of choice.
>>737302385the fuck do they need 141 000 nigerians forniggas are so retarded they can't even use a plow
>>737302385>I wonder if pro-Brexit people feel silly now or if they're so deep in the cope that they don't even see the problem anymore.Depends, I see plenty of the first with them saying 'This isn't what I wanted' but I've also seen just as many saying 'We got our fish back!" or some shit, before putting union jacks all over their neighbourhood to 'chase' indians and anyone not white enough out of the area.It doesn't work by the way and a lot of them got forced to remove them.
>>737302551>niggas are so retarded they can't even use a plowneither can you but they are cheaper for the same result
>>737302385In their defence, regaining self governance is a good thing, but who it is that governs continues to remain a problem.
>>737302371And then it turned out a lot of the voters were contrarian chucklefucks that thought "my voice doesn't matter" and voiced for "leave". Other people voted "leave" because "Farage told them it's a good idea" but didn't have any idea what leaving will involve. And then everybody was in for a surprise.
>>737298792keeping games alive is quite literally satanicgames should be killed
>>737302385>-193%Uh what am I having a stroke
>>737302635what happened to denmark? fears over grenland?
>>737302629>neither can youI actually can use agricultural machinery very well, speak for yourself.
>>737302551Who will breed their women, Anon?
>>737298792You're delusional if you think this is going anywhere. There's a fucking war going on. Politicians don't have time to worry about your manchild garbage.
>>737302672I think it'd be better if games just stop being made altogether. Not like nothing of value was actually made this past 20 years or so
>>737301020What the fuck did you smoke?Can you pass me that shit?Your comparisson is ass, why can i play Kingdom Hearts 1 on my PS2 from 2002 then?I dont have any receits, i bought no ticket, no subscription.Just bought the medium, the disk it runs on, the console that plays itWhy cant we go back to how it used to be and worked for +500 years?Why cant we replicate it to archive it?Imagine we had patents on chessboards, and you coud never make your own figures or board.The game woud have been lost to time.You buy a medium and consoom whatever the medium carried, be it information or culture.Simple.We dont have to digitize everything and put locks on it for the sake of profit.Culture over profit.Kill everyone that says or thinks otherwise.Acces to information, advanced technology and culture shoud be free at a certain point.The line cant go up ad infinitum.
>>73730244815$ is too much in your currency eh Jose Rodriguez?
>>737298915oh yeah, and it's definitely doing well for those bongs am I right mateys
>>737302159>heh, you got the opposite of what you voted for!New to politics? You'd still be flooded with browns and mass surveillance if you stuck with the EU
>>737302690Unironically regressive country. And I don't mean based, but 'stop using computers'-regressive. Denmark wants to go back to Amish culture.
>>737302710It's a special military operation
>>737299524Can they ask to come back to the EU?
>>737302697my condolences>sips coffee paid by my employer on an air conditioned/heated room paid by my employer while wasting time because the economy is shit and there is nothing to do
>>737302076Minecraft allows you to host yourself and customize your server if you don't want to bother with official stuff, doesn't it? That's not really an end of life plan though because it's not end of life. They're still supporting it through that shop and taking money.
>>737302417why would it happen? selling a single game as a $5/month sub would cut profits to minimum as most people would cancel it as soon as they beat the game, and selling something at $79.99/month would turn everyone away instantly
>>737300861With that you have to fight the clueless mass of NPC's that think shit like>i have nothing to hide, why are you against it?>protecting kids is good!>you just want to prey on children That fight was lost immediately.
>>737302781They can but most EU members were insulted they left so I doubt they'd be welcome.
>>737302820>why would it happenBecause the only other alternative now is tripling the cost of your development by making everything available on private servers, retard
>>737300861>true, where's the outcry over this age verification bullshit?The people who are mad at it get angry for a day a week or two then go back to factory settings, do the age verification and take it up the ass like they always doDid you not see how people acted during covid
>>737302771>Denmark wants to go back to Amish cultureEh? Really? Any examples? I'll research it later maybe.
>>737302859>tripling the costprove it, retard
>>737302781>>737302839They could but the funny thing is they had A LOT of benifits when they joined the EU originally, they won't have even close to what they had if they were able to rejoin.
>>737302771Really? Why would they do that?
>>737302760>New to politics?I dunno, ask the people who were so easily bamboozled who VERY MUCH said the exact words, 'This isn't what I voted for!'
>>737302771considering the state of the world in terms of energy costs and computer hardware costs that might not be a bad idea
>>737302829And not only that, lets say I ran a political party, I'm against this papers please nonsense on the internet. Now a bunch of soccermoms who let their kids use the internet 24/7 unsupervised are gonna say I'm for little timmy accessing backdoor sluts 89' megan fox's long lost sex tapes
>>737299548Do not use the Lord's name in vain. ESPECIALLY if it's in an insulting and false context!!!
>>737302859You pulled that alternative out of your ass. Nobody demands that and definately not retroactively.The new law will just force the devs developing new games to reconsider whether designing them as "always-online" with no offline component is such a good idea.
>>737300379Like all of eastern europe the historical city centers and new business areas are neat but everything outside of them rots into the ground.
>>737302879>>737302891Denmark is quite rural. Something insane like 70%-80% of our working population work in agriculture or fishing and they see everything more advanced than a calculator as the cause of all our nation's issues. Thinkikg if we just close down and become North Korea it will somehow make Denmark richer and stronger than ever before.
>>737298915Please, do tell about the (((reasons)))
>>737298845EU "democracy" only works on small issues. EU commission is not elected and von der leyen bitch still hasn't resigned since pfizergate became known.
>>737299054you forgot to verify your age before you posted
>>737302959They are literally the second most blessed country in the world in that sense, only slighty behind iceland.
>>737302551To change the nappies of the elderly. Our entire healthcare system is being propped up by African/Indian doctors and nurses these days because we've utterly failed to train enough of our own.
I just kind of don't care about live service slop, which seems to be the focus.I have never once "lost access" to a digital game. I still have every shitty $1 Xbox Live Indie Game I bought for a laugh back in college even after switching to a new Xbox 360. All ready for redownload despite the store being gone.What games are people even playing where they "lose access" with so much regularity?But on a deeper level. It isn't about me, it's about other people. If a game is delisted in a few years the only people who will ever be able to experience it (legally) are those who bought it within those few years. *I* may never "lose access" in the remaining decades I have left on this planet, but I also want *others* to have the ability to gain access.We should like, focus on stuff like that, I think. Instead of live service games that eventually become dead service games. It's in the name.
>>737298792while I support the primary idea, eucrats will probably just use it for more draconian measures and oversight
>>737299946Pretty sure SKG does not target sub based games. You pay for X days of access from the get go. If blizzard shuts the game down before those X days pass, now there's a problem.
>>737302973I had people look at me like I was a depraved criminal when I was involved with conversations about the age verification stuff last year. All my rational and reasonable arguments against it just fall flat against an emotionally charged "little Timmy shouldn't be able to look up porn, Anon. Why do you want him to be able to do that?".
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>>737302887Why are the Brits so stupid? Maybe the Irish & French were right about them.
>>737303091Sadly, this is only about continued access to games for people who bought them, rather than continued access or sale of games to everyone years and years down the line. That's a whole other can of worms because of licenses, except this time it's a problem of licenses the companies have rather than the end user. There's always someone higher up.
>>737303279>WE WUZ EMPIRE
>simping for communist agendano wonder why EU is so broke and woke
>>737303279we big independent stronk cunt that needs no help
>>737300281>>737300197If every online game because sub based then companies would stop making online games. Sub based games died for a good reason. No one is going to pay a sub for multiple games.
>>737303068Wrong, but the compensation isnt worth the effort.Healthcare is a demanding job, and your health will detoriate in the long run, be it through constant overwork or little pay.Of course rabbis gonna import a bunch of sufficently trained slaves to dump wages further.And at some point, rather emply third wolders with no vision of a healthy society and basic inter- and transactions.Way easier to whip them when they fall out of line.The more i visit SKG threads, the more start to loathe all aspects of society and question how we coud fall so far from grace that we have to renegotiate the most basic interactions.>Buy Game>Own GameVery hard, please understand.
>>737298792It's pretty funny that without the "semantics" the entire corporate defense was instantly demolished and their position exposed as predatory and corrupt.
>>737302945You're given two choices, but in reality only one of them is allowed to happen, you know that but you have to vote anyways. Which one do you pick? You vote to leave, there's maybe a 0.0000000001% chance you don't get flooded with browns, you vote to stay, you get flooded, you don't vote, you get flooded. So you vote to leave... and you get flooded with browns. The voters always get blamed but the system's a fucking joke in the first place
Just stop making games
>>737303068Dunno if it's the same in bongland but here people view nurses and elderly care people as "degrading hard jobs" so no one wants to do them.
>>737303326too many non-whites in the world now, so the law has to enforce White behavior.
>>737303339It weirds me out that practically every first-world nation underpays their healthcare workers while at the same time getting angry when granny dies in a hallway or whatever. Like lmao, what so you expect? You demand a nursing degree and 13 hour workdays from a group of people you pay less than bussboys and you're surprised they half-ass it?
>>737303243I'm honestly happy everytime a data breach happens and these people get fucked for going along with this insanityThe ruski blackmailing someone for being foolish enough to trust pornhub with their real ID is that they deserve
>>737303404>>737302760FYI, "brown" means "Nazis" here in Europe. If you're going to LARP as European, do it properly.
>>737303465That's the same everywhere. "degrading hard job" isn't even wrong btw.
>LEAVE THE INNOCENT MULTIBILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES ALONE>THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO SOMETHING SO BASIC IT USED TO BE THE STANDARD 20 YEARS AGO>THEY'D GO BROKE IF YOU COULD STILL PLAY THE SAME GAME ANYTIME YOU WANT, DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STILL PLAY CS 1.6 TODAY? OF COURSE NOT, NOBODY WOULD HAVE BOUGHT CS2 OTHERWISE>OWNING THINGS IS COMMUNISM ANYWAY
>>737302673they left
>>737302109Nah, governments can just fuck off. Politicians in this age are never worth relying on since they are compromised. Why is PC gaming relatively stable now? Steam, a private company, tries to do right by its consumers by simply prioritizing them over all else, not mandatory regulations by the government
>>737302731Based culture and archivist enjoyer
>>737303556I will remind you that you don't own a single video game if you have it on Steam.
>>737303019I'm a Germ. Can I plz immigrate and stay?
>>737302385>250k indiansLiterally flooding the streets with shit
>>737303556>not mandatory regulations by the governmentLook into why their refund policy became a thing.
>>737299705>Support games forever That's never been argued. Simply that the game can persist once end-of-service has been reached. An offline version is provided - no endless support required at all.
>>737303526truth bomba
>>737302023Okay, so what's your solution to video games dying and getting shittier in general?
>>737303238>Pretty sure SKG does not target sub based games.It doesn't, but what about sub-based online games that you have to buy the base game for? Even WoW was originally sold as a physical/digital base game you had to buy first, and then pay a monthly fee to actually play it. Not that it matters in the case of WoW since the SKG thing isn't retroactive, but I'm guessing any future MMO could never be sold as an one-time payment you would "own" or they would have to make it playable offline without sub, or there would have to be an exception made for those types of games.
>>737303718Don't play them. Don't watch them. Pretend they don't exist. Ignore the ads. Then they die.AKA, how capitalism was supposed to work.
>>737303718Playing the hundreds I already have
>>737303514I brought up data breaches being common. We at the time recently had a big fucking databreach with Optus (I'm an Ausfag and Optus is one of our bigger telecom companies) that was making the news, millions of peoples details leaked, ect.They just gave me the metaphorical shrug and "oh well that won't happen again".
>>737303789Pretty sure there hasn't been an MMO with a box price+sub since FFXIV
>>737302023>you don't want to move on from a dead game you bought 15 years agoThere are people who bought the The Crew mere months before it closed. Games can close at any time without warning. Anyone can get fucked. Marathon could close tomorrow and nothing would happen to either Sony or Bungie.
>>737303091It will enavitably happen.In 50 years, most of those 1$ games will quietly fly of into the nether.There is no one that holds IP rights, no one that wants to host them in their store.No one that sells them.Cause they are not profitable.How many archeological marbles did scientists find that are the modern equivalent to fucking toilet paper, but still managed to reverse engineer whole written languages from it?Its not for us to decide what is worth archiving, especially nowadays were you can archive the whole SNES line up on a 1 GB USB Stick.We should simply do it cause we can, let the guys in 500 years decide for themselfs if a piece of media is acomplished or trash.
>>737303797That was only true until investment money became better than consumer money. Blackrock pays better than the average Joe.
>>737303590Everyone who buys digitally knows that whether on PC or consoles. Convenience vs ownership has always been the tradeoff for digital games unless you're a retard
>>737303797Cool, I already don't.But people still do and gaming is still getting shittier as a result, so no, doing nothing is NOT an answer.So I ask again, what's your solution to the problem?
>>737303518I never claimed to be from the UK
>>737303845Wouldn't be the first time Bungie took peoples money for something, then deleted it.Seriously how the FUCK did they get away with that shit with Destiny 2.
>>737302737I will not pay for a shitty subsciption service no matter how much they pay you to shill the idea (or how many ethnicities you try to call me)
>>737303914>Convenience vs ownershipyou've been brainwashed by corpos. you can have both
>>737303916Wait until everyone does nothing, or go kyoani some studios or government institutions and not in Minecraft.
>>737303914Sounds like a skin issue.
>>737303971>just wait until it hits rock bottom, then it'll get better from thereAmazing solution, anon.
>>737304019Should have stopped the decline earlier if (You) cared so much.
>>737298995>divide and conquer
>>737298792Pirate Software malding forever.
>>737303971>gaming hits rock bottom>john normie gun and ball gamer doesn't notice>still nothing changes but everyone who gives a fuck (minority btw) is in a worse position than ever
>>737303914>Everyone who buys digitally knows thatI seriously doubt thatPeople live in ignorance and usually start raising their voices only after things are taken from them without realizing it could've happened anytime
>>737304050>doesn't provide a solution, just criticize people trying to find oneConcession accepted.
>>737301596>just raping companies that don't complyYea, comply mr capitalist piggy. Someone has to put you in your place
>>737304007If GOG shut down tomorrow and all of the information was deleted, you'd be just as fucked as if you would be from Steam
>>737303789> or they would have to make it playable offline without subNo, but playable on a hosted server - and as is often pointed out this does not have to be in the game from the start (so people don't immediately start forgoing official servers) but WOULD be required to be planned from the getgo as a final update when support ends.
>>737302806YesAnd it's literally the most sold game on the planet.
>>737299649I give too much shit to Europeans but I will never hate them because of things like this, they are the only bumper against corpos.
>>737304146I have every single installer of my gog games backed up. If they go belly up tomorrow I will lose nothing.
>>737304146I have every single game I paid for and own on my harddrive. I don't need them, their servers or their support to play them. If GOG went away tomorrow my games will continue to work legally until I die.
>>737302227For ANY electronic device, Nintendo is literally developing a new Switch 2 model because of this.
>>737299776>imports the entire third world>covers up the genocide of the native populationwao, real cool
>>737304301Nigga, your country is over 50% black, shut the fuck up
>>737299085POLES OUTPAKIS IN
>>737304339I'm well aware.t. german
>>737304301>covers up the genocide of the native populationName a country that wasn't colonized that didn't do that.
>>737304112I don't care if you consider it a concession. I have enough shit to play already for my whole life. The industry can atomize tomorrow for all I care.But, like it or not, the only paths available are to either to play by the market rules, aka, voting with your wallet, or breaking into the market with a better product, which are both nigh impossible nowadays, or to go full anarchist and burn everything down.
>>737299776but ruskies and populists and corpo shills keep telling me that EU BAD
>>737302690Their whole GDP and stock market is propped up by Novo Nordic. So if Novo Nordic goes down, their whole stock market does as well
>>737304240>>737304272Both of you faggots are missing the point. Let's say GOG shut down tomorrow and you built a new PC and wanted to install the games you bought from there. You would be shit out of luck even though you technically "bought" them. Saying you backing things up yourself is irrelevant to the issue
>>737304404Or get the goverment that is sworn to represent it's citizens to do their job? You know, what this entire thread is about.
>>737302710>There's a fucking war going on
Why are shills still using the EXACT SAME POINTS?! Seriously, of all the shilling campaigns I've seen recently, the one against SKG has to be one of the more inept and one-note - such a strange refusal to adapt or relent in the slightest.
>>737301392Why did Americans just give up after occupy Wall Street? Was the media forced culture war that powerful
>>737302690Ignore the retarded anon. Denmark has been in a generally incremental stocks increase following COVID thanks to several things including the medical industry doing extremely well for itself. Then Trump was elected and quite a few directly Danish investments have been getting screwed, like the windmill project the Trump admin has been illegally stonewalling, the Greenland affair suddenly throwing Denmark as a secure investment out of whack, and the Iran situation putting a severe block on Maersk, the large Danish global shipping company.>t. Dane
>>737304486I am responsible for keeping my property safe, yes. If I destroy the medium that stores my games and don't have a second backup then that's on me.What is your point? As long as I take care of my property, and I do, I have literally nothing to worry about.
>>737300956Didn't happen when USB-C was made a requirement
>>737298845You also can go to jail for jokingly saying the Holocaust didn't happen or carrying a sharp knife adjacent object.
>>737304520These aren't game-shills that are here to sell you the newest cattleslop, these are corpo-shills which rank far lower in terms of creativity.
>>737300549I can't name a single thing he said that was right. Nearly a decade out from Brexit now and you still don't realize how badly you got swindled by Jingoists? You're carrying water for them on a Mongolian basket weaving forum and you aren't even getting paid to defend their honor, yet you tie your identity to their defense.You are a grade A sucker Anon.
>>737299524It was a disaster because the reason for leaving (not wanting forced brown migration and other faggy leftist policies) was never addressed thanks to the powers that be meaning that the UK is still pozzed but without having the trade benefits of being in the EU.
>>737304486If I buy a new computer of course I will bring the backups with me, and that is all on me, just like e.g. forgetting my passwort.You're fucking retarded.
>>737304584no
>>737304513SKG cares not about how shit a game is. Gaming will still be shit whether or not gachas become image galleries after EOS or shooters get a "join server" button eventually. Modern games are bad from the root up, not just because they can be lost at the dev's whim.Hell I would argue the only worthy argument against SKG is that it might push developers toward even scummier distribution models that would not be covered.
>>737304520the main argument is very structurally sound and basically impossible to argue against without looking like an evil bootlicking greedy jew so the only tactic shills have is trying to lie enough that people are convinced that SKG is actually something completely different and unreasonable
>Stop Killing Games is winning NOT SO FAST
>>737299548Retard boy, that anon>>737299649 is right.Please list 5 games that need a subscription to play them.You probaly cant, because those just dont sell, except when the exception confirms the rule with WoW, FF XI/V.Subscription is only economically viable when you can coerce the customer to keep coming back.Even better games struggle with this, and most people outright refuse to play this game of chicken.Streaming platforms learned it the hard way when everyone wanted to be the next netflix, made their version with hookers and black jack and diluted the market.Fuck, even my normie consoomerist sister noticed this jewish scam and just torents shit nowadays.You can fleece the idiots only so much before they jump ship.
>>737304661Do UK corpos not benefit from being in the EU? Why did they push for the leave? I understand that they wouldn't allow a stop of the super cheap imported workforce, but why allow leaving the EU
>>737298792My favorite party about Stop Killing Games is that it will objectively kill a shit ton of games and game studios.They're all shitty GAAS trash though, so let them burn.
>>737304704No, as in "no, it didn't happen"?
>>737304759Break a rebelious population. They'll think twice before attempting societal reform now.
>>737304824yes
>>737304740Japan's already been extremely averse to sharing their live service games outside of their country so I imagine this is just going to make them more so.
>>737304740No one cares about the nips who are slaves to their corporate masters.
>>737304797Oh really? That's terrible. What games and studios will it kill?
>>737304534Americans are astonishingly retarded and lose focus at goldfish levelsReligion, politics, racial shit, gay shitAnything to distract from corpos beating them over the back of the head, and it works every. fucking. time.It's not that culture war is all that important, it's the handful of righties telling their demographics that illegal latino immigrants will turn all their kids gay, and inject them with autismo juiceLefties are too busy dying on the hill of protecting all 318 troons, and making a national holiday anytime a woman and/ or minority is the first of something If everyone just chilled the fuck out, used their brains, and systematically told the shareholder economy to go fuck itself, things wouldn't be nearly as fucked as they currently are.
>>737298915Always fucking hilarious seeing an american's or other thirdie's grasp of European politics.>brexit was... le good lmao
>>737304743Well they might sell once they are the only way they are sold by greedy petty AAA studios. Either that or the industry dies for real.
>>737304960Ubisoft, EA, Blizzard, Gearbox, and pretty much everything owned by Embracer for a start.Again though: this is a good thing.Let them burn.
>>737304520It's exactly like that tweet people keep quoting that leftists just pretend or flat out don't understand things, which makes discourse impossible, look at all the retards in this thread pretending the initiative is going to do something completely different than what's written
>>737304985>Lefties are too busy dying on the hill of protecting all 318 troons, and making a national holiday anytime a woman and/ or minority is the first of somethingDon't forget purity testing themselves into infighting. I watched a left leaning forum tear itself apart because a few people didn't give a fuck about Palestine and wanted to focus on local issues.
>>737305071>pretending the initiative is going to do something completely different than what's writtenYeah because the legislative projects brought by the public definitely never change once in the hands of the legislators.
>>737305071But you want the companies to make all their games available for free? Isn't that communism?
>>737299887>>737299385>>737299150>>737298845any law which has an ammendment respecting to other laws should be immediate grounds towards execution desu. both to make it pass or to keep it from passing.
>>737304486you're retarded and probably just dishonest but in case you aren't a shill, the reason you OWN games you buy on gog is because after the purchase you download the installer and you can back that up just like if you buy a CD or any other physical media. if gog shut downs, they don't take that installer from you. gog providing a backup in form of your account having the installers online to redownload has no bearing that you own the installer you download. if steam shuts down none of your games will work, even those you have installed.
>>737304520It's half hearted because they know they've already lost but are contractually obligated to shill by the post anyway.
>>737298915The EU has many issues, but bongs left due to none of them.
>>737299585we aren;'t mean to you, you just hate us because you are being directed towards an outlet for the anger you should feel at your jewish masters bad decisions
>>737305163what makes you think it'd change in a way that fucks over corporations way more for no reason and without anyone wanting that when it's always the other way around?
>>737304150but then you would be in a weird limbo where you still bought and own a game but the game is unplayable until the support ends, unless you pay for the subscription. isn't the goal for all games bought to remain playable? if the game is sub-only this is a non-issue since you never bought a game
>>737299385The more I hear about US amendments to bills the more retarded it sounds. How did people let this become the way the law works? It's functionally a built in way to cheat the system with no recourse for the one being cheated.
>>737305434When did I say anything about it fucking corpos more or less? I'm just saying that it is naive to assume just because the EU as a whole seems to agree with the project that it will end up as the same project that everyone supported in the start.It might only start to apply after [arbitrary date], or be retroactive, have exceptions or be even more strict, or simply end up being a footnote of another larger project that then fails or succeeds but as a foornote it never gets implemented.
>>737300647I want my porn as well but some karens and puritans decided that no i shouldnt. Fuck EU.
>>737305214What separates physical from digital is if the seller closes go out of business, you're fucked on the latter. Unless the physical medium itself breaks, it will always work(barring Switch 2 Key cards which is a slightly different issue). It's not reliant on the seller to stay in business.Barring backing things up, you cannot redownload your games if the sellers themselves go out of business
>>737305586No matter where you are, politics tend to boil down to people not being able to agree on anything.
>>737299515Cat posters are always so retarded
>>737298915>There are reasons bongs leaving the EU happened.Being duped by millionaire bankers who were larping as working class?
>>737305556Oh I didn't realise that's the model you were applying this toOkay, so... my only response is "This payment model is shit, why would anyone use it if they knew it worked like this"
>>737300778>>737300197any company doing this would earn my eternal piracy ireArforire did nothing wrong.
>>737305058Or, get this....THEY JUST SELL ME THE FUCKING GAME NO STRINGS ATTACHED.WIN FUCKING WIN
>>737300956>Companies will always find some way to skirt regulations, so we shouldn't even bother with them and instead invite them into our homes to fuck our asses raw.
The initial excuse to try and dismiss stop killing games was so strange. It was like "if we dont moderate the servers imagine what could happen if children joined a server and someone said a swear" while robot is the most played game on the planet right now.
>people arguing over whose country is the least brownthe state of this thread
>>737305920That's nice timmy now go back to your room the adults are talking :)
>>737298792I didn't think this would actually get anywhere when the idea was announced, so I'm pretty impressed.
>>737305920That doesn't sound like it maximizes profit
>>737302073>if businesses don't like regulations they should stop creating demand for it in the free marketplace of ideasbusinesses and ancaps love regulation, thats why shit like the DMCA and other copyjew slop we are forced to live under still exists.
>>737305963It nearly did fall flat on it's ass until that ferret fucker unified everyone under the "yeah this guy is a fucking cunt" flag, and now we're here.
>>737298915Nigger the bongs are begging to come back because the monumental fuckup that was brexit bit them in the ass hard
>>737305939Most of the reasons it's so easy to derail arguments about the movement stem from the usual differences in legislation between the US and EU, and the instant that divide is made in any conversation it devolves into petty squabblingVery easy for certain marketing firms to take advantage of instead of directly countering the points made by supporters
Why would we stop it? If Europoors want to regulate online games out of their countries they can do so. It's what they love to do. There's a reason they'll be forever europoor.
>>737306104See what I mean? >>737306128 Easiest job on the internet
>>737306128>Google bent the knee>Apple bent the knee>Valve bent the knee>Name a megacorp and the EU has brought them to heel>But my rinkydink game company/publisher will totally take them on bro just you watch
>>737302073Good one
>>737299776>>737302227>>737304282When it comes to tech the eu boomers are all for making things more convenient to those that have to use it and that includes themselves obviously. When it comes to this whole SKG debate. It basically gamers trying to communicate to boomers that Live service games are bullshit, predatory and boarderline a scam. While big companies try to confuse them with big words and cry what about the children even though it doesn't apply.
>>737298792Just admit you are selling and running a service instead of selling a product.
>>737299163they're like prisoners, everyone has a reason to escape but like most prisoners their escape plan is worth writing a comedy movie about
>>737306295A service is a product
>>737305705that's not true, again, gog installers will work if the seller goes out of business. "backing things up" in this context just means... not deleting the installer immediately after because gog provides you a backup on their store. if you buy a physical media, install it and then throw the disk into trash, it didn't mean you didn't own the game. at the same time, most of "physical" media nowadays doesn't work fully offline either and essentially just serves as a license code to add your game to a store from which it then downloads the rest of the game (like steam)
>>737299649holy based
>>737306352We are talking legalize here in which no it is not considered a product and why companies in the states don't want SKG getting any wins, anywhere.
>>737298915>There are reasons bongs leaving the EU happenedbecause boomers are retarded
>>737306362I have never used GOG, but is the installer an actual installer or a 2mb bootstrapper that would try to grab the actual installer form a now dead server?Because I know more than one idiot who relied in the later for some legacy software.
Reminder that most canadians want to join EU toohttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canadians-support-becoming-member-european-union-nanos-poll/
>>737300321It's a step-by-step process. If phones get this then the rest can fellow.The same applies for video games.If you get them to stop being legally gatekept if bought they'll slowly do the same with other digital applications.Should a digital book get deleted from your device just because wants to resell another edition at a potential price-up?Should office software receive a kill switch simply because they want their customers to buy the newest iterations with no real difference or benefit?Should a movie you bought get removed from your library under the excuse of a director's cut supposedly enhancing the experience?It's a stepping stone that's the goal. By making the general issue known by applying to other cases to emphasize the issue and costs, this initiative can stop a practice from being repeatedly enforced.Thats also a positive for customers too because it will make investors more hesitant if pushback as a result of a pulled application or product causes the stock to fall.The only real opposition lies in what services beyond official support can supplied without a net negative to the company.
>mutts mad because they'll get some second hand rights thanks to the EUComedy gold.
>>737302859>adding an offline mode will triple the costwhat the fuck are you on about.It's a week work at best.I designed by myself a TCP/UDP packet handler for a shitty atmel board at work. I refuse to believe a company with infinitely more resources, devs and money than the company I work for will have a hard time implementing what was considered the fucking standard back in early 2000s.
>>737306489I'm always shocked by how hard burgers are sucking on that corpo cock
>>737298792If a game is discontinued it is dogshit. Don't buy online only games if you don't want this to happen. Someday all online will go offline and there is nothing you can do to stop this. 0 good games have been "killed".
So if I get this right, businesses want to transform their products, which fulfill every definition of a product, into a service while trying to claim benefits of both sides at the expense of the customer?
>>737306593Yes, and then there's people who actually defend this while suffering from it
>>737306453>LeafsWe still consider ourselves part of the British's domain. I noticed Burgers and Europeans just assumed we made an official country instead of just being given permission to just run ourselves.Us joining the EU sucks though because it is obvious the EU is trying shit in sticking to the US like glue.
>>737298845>appens whenBecause of Trump and the republicans unironically trying to gerrymander to keep blacks from voting.>inb4 "wtf I love Trump now?"I know you do.
>>737306536Opposers try to frame 'offline mode' as exclusively entire singleplayer campaigns, including for games that are intended as multiplayer-only like Counter-Strike or TF2. They purposefully ignore comments about private servers, which are what people use (when they can) when support ends for those games.
>>737306582what if i want to play bad games? fuck you
>>737304520>Why are shills still using the EXACT SAME POINTS?!Because it works and takes zero effort to claim that their industry """experts""" with predict [upcoming specific regulation] will cause SIX GORILLION dollars in losses and even more in jobs. By the time you finish calling someone like Maldavius Figtree a retard for saying that Valve is literally losing billions for allowing players to run their own private hosted TF2 servers, he's already ten arguments down the line while you've barely deboonked one
>>737306593Want to? They are already doing that.And people are only now realizing they're getting fucked in the ass, sideways.
>>737306231You have a pretty big misunderstanding about the issues you're talking about, their costs, and who they'll affect.
>>737304486>I don't own a book because the book store where I bought it isn't there anymore>yeah, the book is on my shelf, but that isn't relevant to the issue???
>>737306536>I refuse to believe a company with infinitely more resources,Please consider this : Pokemon
>>737305586The original intention is sound, because they were aware that a constitution set in stone is not perfect.However, their mistake was that they assumed good intentions in lawmakers and entirely ignored the fact that even back then it was mainly retards doing politics.
>>737306450installer as in actual installer. yes, you can seed the installer. yes, there is a pirate site that just stores all the gog installers since it's all DRM free.
>>737304534https://youtu.be/XdH38k0iUgI
>>737306746>But muh costsLess than what you lose by losing access to the EU market. This is big boy stuff now. You too will fold.
>>737303238you are trying to reply to an anime-addled, shitpost-induced brain-failing retard. Your arguments are never penetrating their thick skull. You're better off watching paint dry.
>>737306489>>737306545Why do you assume that anti-SKG shills speak for anyone? Why are you trying to make it harder to talk about this?
>>737306746Yeah man they all forget how much the EU iPhone models jumped in cost when the USB-C regulation came about
>>737298845>why don't we have that in the us?the us is not a democracy. it does not matter who gets to be president. wallstreet bankers and lobbyists controll what happens in the white house. the president is just a puppet for public entertainment. it does not matter if left or right is in charge.the policies enaced are all the same just presented from a specific direction.
>>737306827Good old European xenophobia, same reason I assume that you're fat and, at least, half-retarded.
>737306678Wrong thread?
>>737306545Lifelong conditioning is a hell of a thing. Not too different from religion in that regard
>>737304985>Americans are astonishingly retarded and lose focus at goldfish levelsthis made me kekI will however forget about having read it, in about 20 seconds
>>737298792Happy to say that I was there.Thanks to all europeans for voting and thanks to all non-europeans for spreading the word!
>>737303546Yeah but how can more than 100% of them leave? Or does it mean that 193% more of them left compared to the amount that left before
>>737306450The installer is an actual installer. You download the whole game from Gog beforehand and the installer references those files when installing the game.They even give you the option to chose which patches you want for the game you bought, and letting you install them separately.Once you downloaded and they're on your PC, you can install them without internet.
>>737299705>This is going to KILL video gamesnow listen closely: GOOD.
>>737306946
>>737300068>Sees game is subscription based>Don't buy itIt's just that simple.
>>737304050>do nothing>okay I did nothing and it still sucks>should have done something, lmaoCorporate shills like you aren't people.
>>737298970No they wont. They will cheap out on the sever and the game will be hardly functional
>>737306930I'm glad for a brutally fleeting moment, I could provide you some comedic relief After this next 20 seconds, take care, fellow burger-kun
>>737298845you're a fool if you ever though the us had "democracy"
>>737306784He's not talking about ammendments to the constitution, he's talking about how a bill that originally was about having amusement parks have to check that their trees are not in risk of falling and killing a kid every 6 months ends up being a bill about reducing the minimum parking spaces requirements in new buildings because to pass a law you need to give concessions to every other party.
>>737306812Ah yes, all online games cost the same and are architected the same and have significant amounts of paying European players.Will Concord "lose more money not releasing in Europe" now that they made the mistake of releasing in Europe and have to drop millions more on a dead development? What about Highuard?If you only want to get successful online games months later, be my guest, but you're a retard if you think this plays any other way. You're as stupid as the people who think rent control helps with rent prices.
>>737300956I remember where you retards kept making the same argument about the USB-C standard.>noooo the cheapest iphone will now cost 1000 euros, everything will be twice as expensive, how can we possibly expect the poor megacorp to implement it
>>737307021I did give another solution in the same post, go kyoani EA already.
>>737306831Yes, adding a charging port is the exact same thing. In fact, all laws are equivalent! Retard.
>>737298845I wouldn't call it a sign of a working democracy because the European Union is not democratic no matter what anyone tells you. No one voted for Ursola, or any of the stooges at the top.But they do show from time to time that there are well meaning people in there somewhere.
>>737307081If your product does not comply with EU regulations then it is not getting sold there. It's that simple. Make a better product.
>>737300068>MMO stops being "profitable">dies>client and server binaries are handed off to the community>community runs the MMO at-costbased
>>737307143Changing your entire production pipeline and obsoleting your own proprietary tech is a lot harder than just releasing private server architecture, actually.
>>737307143Oh no! Enlighten me on your examples that you actually mean then(Note: he directly mentioned Apple in that post)
>>737298915So much retarded bullshit in this thread, so I will address it.Britain left the EU because the then Prime Minister (David Cameron) went to the EU and tried to enact changes and got laughed at. He then ran an election campaign on offering a referendum and won, held a referendum and it won. So the UK left.The exact things Cameron asked for was less automatic rights for migrants, such as no automatic right to welfare the moment they step foot in the UK. He also wanted less political integration and thought countries should rule the EU, not the EU rule countries. He asked for less over regulation and he finally he wanted both less discrimination against the UK in the EUs regulations and didn't want the UK to be legally forced to bail out failing EU countries.Between the Brexit referendum and actually leaving, there was a whole lot of push back and delays from the whole political system. Most politicians didn't want it and many wanted another referendum to try and overturn the previous one.During and after the UK left the EU, the government in charge basically opened it's borders wide open. They started flooding the country in 2018 and these numbers peaked around 2021/2022. The prime minister at the time (Boris Johnson) admitted he wanted more immigration and it was even called the Boriswave.Since Brexit, the UKs economy has grown around the same, or slightly more than the EUs. Historically the EU has always had poor growth though, especially compared to the US and China. (In 2004 the EU and US economies were about the same size, now the US is almost twice the size).Trade between the UK and EU has also increased.Most of the UKs current problems are unrelated to Brexit. They are down to the UK political class being incompetent or corrupt or simply hating the UK and wanting to harm it.Things like infinite immigration and the lunatic net zero policy are examples.As for the EU? Sometimes what they do is good, sometimes it's bad.
>>737306765what about them? Nintendo's network handling has always been horrendous. If you're talking about the servers, I think it's Nintendo's decision to shut them down. Hopefully this will make even them change strategy.
>>737307161Players being able to host their own servers? What a new and refreshing concept!
>>737307086the USB-C standard was just because some EU lawmaker wanted it on their iphone. nobody besides apple humiliation ritualists lived in a world were every device already didn't use USB-C without needing a mandate.
Here's what the EU is actually doing: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20260415-eu-says-age-check-app-ready-in-push-to-protect-children-onlineEnjoy your censorship, cucks. Imagine trusting them to do anything right. SKG is a trojan horse for more government overreach.
>>737307302>He thinks the UK can just "amend" more government overreach to a law about stopping publishers from killing games You know not every place in the world functions like Burgerstan right?
>>737307302>no more children on my online vidyaWTF I love the EU now!
>>737307160And when have I said something else retard? I don't give a shit about what Europeans do, I just hope they don't complain later when the obvious happens.>>737307205It's a charging port dude. One hardware hacker with some $1 parts from Shenzen can do it. Sure, now you need to change your factories and hardware controllers a bit, big whoop, it's a billion dollar company with insane markups. Now tell me how much time it takes for hobbyists to make private servers of random online games that work perfectly.
>>737306763GOG is more like a bookstore that instead of selling and giving you a book, sells you a license and gives the means to copy that book from the store as long as they're standing, and after copying you can do whatever the hell you want with it which is awesome
>>737307302>Enjoy your censorship, cucksYou are saying that like you aren't the next in line.
>>737307241I have not mentioned Apple not provided any examples at all retard, follow a conversation. There is some other guy talking about other corporations and laws like it had any relevance at all
>>737307427It takes a long time for hobbyists to make private servers because they're reverse engineering the server code from scratch (unless there's a leak). It would take considerably less time if developers just released games with the ability to host servers.
>>737307427Apple did not pull out of Europe when the EU made them implement standardised chargers. Google did not pull out of Europe when the EU fined them for being a monopoly. Value did not pull out of Europe when the EU made them issue refunds, and rinky dink game companies won't either when the EU makes them stop selling games that break.
>>737298845no, eurofaggots cant wait to fine big companies for extra money to put into their own pockets, retard. especially when it also will target americans
>>737307391Yeah but you have to provide your ID so they know you're not a kid. If you are in the EU right now then you can kiss goodbye to using 4chan soon.4chan will be mandated to check your ID before you can access it. They did not comply with the UKs laws on this, so wont comply with the EUs laws. The EU will inevitably try to fine 4chan a billion euros and when they cannot collect this will ultimately lead to 4chan being blocked across the entire EU.This is what digital ID and age verification is actually being used for. It's not protecting kids, it's restricting what you can see or do online.
>>737307302kek, the jews in panic trying to censor shit will never not be funny to me
>>737307427>Now tell me how much time it takes for hobbyists to make private servers of random online games that work perfectly.Depends on how petty the devs are when spliting client side and server side while developing the game. The NDS servers were easy and cheap because all was in cartridge.
>>737298792You will have rights and you will be happy.
>>737307540>hiro sure will drop the EU marketBased retard.
>>737307510Okay, great, enlighten me on your examples that you actually mean then
>>737298915Yeah, they left in order to not have infinite immigrants and got infinite immigrants anyway. Also this "the government is busy being evil, so don't interrupt them with good things"-take might sound good to a brain-dead cynic, but is pretty retarded in actuality.
>>737307540oh man I wish there was a way to circumvent those blocks.retard
>>737307302i am pretty against EU, though in this case this crap is pushed globally and several countries, anglos with usual leading the nanny state, went ahead with. including american states
>>737299798It's not just relevant for gaming either. Cars become more and more dependent on software too. Imagine a perfectly fine car no longer running because Ford or Volkswagen decided that your carOS as a service license will no longer be supported.
>>737307618You mean with a VPN? Those come under these laws too. If they don't comply with ID verification laws, they get blocked.They can and do already order VPN providers to block access to certain websites.
>>737307519It's time and effort either way, it only changes how much. If you want to put financial barriers to games releasing in Europe be my guest, but the results are obvious to anyone with half a brain.>>737307524This is the third time you have insisted with this apples to oranges strawman and I'm just going to tell you to fuck off now. Game developers are not mega corporations, allowing refunds doesn't require 5000 man hours of salaries (and even if it did Valve can pay that), and basically you're a fucking idiot.
>>737307741The EU cares not for "yeah well what if I..." bullshit. You will comply or you will not be operating in Europe, and not operating in Europe means you lose a shitload of money.
>>737307741>the results are obvious to anyone with half a brainCorpos will bent the knee like they always do? Why are you so adamant on licking their boots, Anon?
>>737307605Examples of what? I have not brought a single example of anything. If you are dying for relevant examples in the context of new developments and how they are affected, look at zoning laws or rent controls.
>>737307741Gonna tell you all a secret. The EU don't pass laws for consumer protection. There is a reason all of the laws and regulations they pass usually involve a "fine of 10% of annual global revenue or $100 million whichever is higher".It's because the EU is basically kept afloat by fining American tech companies.The US however is kind of getting annoyed at the EU constantly passing these kinds of laws that specifically seem to target US companies and there are various bills being proposed to block the EUs ability to keep implementing more and more regulation so they can fine US companies.
>>737307702How do you think Russians go around their blocks? It's not with VPNs.
>>737307913And how can an US congress (lol) bill block what the EU parliament decides?
>>737307898>I have not brought a single example of anythingYeah that's what I me->zoning laws or rent controls????????You just said a megacorp changing its processes to comply with EU regulation in favour of consumers wasn't relevant, what the fuck have zoning laws got to do with this?
>>737307935No block, including a VPN block is perfect. Even Chinas great firewall can be bypassed if you know what you are doing. But it'll block 99% of people which is good enough.>>737307983Same way the EU is passing laws that effect US companies?
>>737307696You're joking, but when fisker went bankrupt, most of the car's functionality stopped working overnight when they shut down the servers, although they at least didn't link driving the car to internet shit.
>>737308040>Same way the EU is passing laws that effect US companies?For example?
>>737307439At least this anon isn't retardedJust because GOG gives people the freedom to do whatever they want with the license doesn't change the fact it's a license at the end of the day
>>737307889You don't know shit about game development.>>737307807Lmao. Okay bro enjoy "fighting the corpos" I'm sure you're playing a lot of quality games developed by Google and Apple>>737307913Ey, someone who says something reasonable
>>737308040>no more tech illiterate zoomers on 4chanHow's this a bad thing?!
>>737308093If Google bends the knee then EA, Activision, Ubisoft, fucking Nintendo, Sony, whoever do not stand a chance.
>>737308097>Apple phones must include a USB-C charger or apple will get fined infinite moneyHow can the EU pass a law like this when Apple is an American company and iPhones are made in China/India?
>>737308010I'm afraid if you don't understand how those are relevant while yours aren't, you're retarded
>>737307302You fucking retard.If they want to implement age verification, they will do it REGARDLESS of StopKillingGames.Also SKG doesn't magically make the EU more powerful...
>>737308160Explain the direct correlation to this post, the first in the chain, for zoning laws. In a manner that does not relate to any of the corporations the other guy, who you directly responded to, posted.
>>737308156Because Apple had a choice of putting in a USB-C charger port or be forbidden to sell in EU
>>737308156>>Apple phones must include a USB-C charger if they want to sell their products in the EUIt makes perfect sense, reddit formatting guy.
>>737299374Holy based
>>737308202They're already forcing everyone to implement age verification. I live in the UK, I basically cannot use Xbox Live or PSN without providing ID. And I can no longer buy adult games on Steam because to prove my ID I need a credit card, which I don't have (most people in the UK don't, and a debit card isn't enough).
>>737308093>You don't know shit about game development.okay mr ferretfucker
>>737299618When an industry refuses to self-police bad practices, the result is government stepping in. Don't blame us for letting it get to this point, you had plenty of opportunities, but you let greed overtake you.
>>737308234>>737308236And what stops America from saying "stop regulating US corporations, or we will withdraw your access to all American tech, the dollar and US markets"?What will the EU do? Issue a strongly worded letter?
>>737308370They're not regulating US corporation, you mongoloid. Apple is free to leave the EU market if they don't want to comply with EU laws.
>>737308156They can if Apple wants to sell their products in our countries.Don't want to get fined despite not complying? Get the fuck out.You should ask instead "why USA isn't doing the same?"(Also where the product is made is completely irrelevant)
>>737308370>And what stops America from saying "stop regulating US corporations, or we will withdraw your access to all American tech, the dollar and US markets"?The fact doing that is suicide?
>>737308370This might be the furthest escalation from "Please let us make servers for your dead game" Ive seen so far
>>737308228Increasing the cost of a development through regulation results in higher costs of development. This prices out small players from the market, stops other developments from ever happening due to risk and budget, and overall increases the prices consumers pay. Or the time iut takes for them to access goods. This is basic economic theory.On the other hand, a random corporation getting fined for being a monopoly has fuckall to do with this law.Again, are you retarded?
>>737307297Apple make up like ~50% mobile phones market share in central and north Europe. That's quite a lot of devices without USB-C
>>737308370If I tell you that you have to take off your shoes if you want to enter my home, I'm not regulating you. I'm regulating whether you can eat in my house.
>>737308370You are not as powerful a country economically as you think. Like it or not, the EU rivals the domestic market and losing access to it due to pettyness won't fly in any board room.
>>737308370The US banned kinder eggs, does that mean the US is regulating European corporations?
>>737307741>adjusting a game constantly to pass age ratings>having to design any online game to comply with privacy and data collection laws and having to write disclosures and eulas for anything related to the game>having to provide accessibility options for retardsYou know, these are just few things game companies already have to put the extra time, effort and money in and yet they choose to do it anyway instead of going "waa then we're not gonna release it!!!"
>>737308370They would have to get the companies to agree to doing that, which is pretty unlikely
>>737308303UK somehow got turbo-retarded. I don't get how Starmer wasn't decapitated yet.Unfortunatly too many Europeans want too imitate them. I think it's Denmark pushing the most for age verification.Why do you even have the kings and queens then? Can't they prevent anything or are there just for show/tradition?
>>737308515Oh no, less multiplayer live service slop, whatever shall we do
>>737308370The CEO would go to prison if they did this. Remember, they are required by American LAW to do as the shareholders please, and what pleases them is to have access to all markets available. Either way it's not my problem.
>>737308592Lmao. The board room meeting is going to go like this my dude:> Dev: If we release in Europe and flop we'll have to pay 2m adapting online infrastructure to comply with the law, or keeping servers alive fortever> Board A: Ok cancel the project> Board B: Ok release 6 months later in Europe only if we succeed elsewhere> Board C: Ok remove any side online features in Europe until later> Board D: Yeah ok we are a P2P game already
>>737308806>just for show/tradition?this exactly. They're just gigacelebs with no real power other than talking to the people.
>>737308515Thank you for finally clarifyingThis situation is absolutely not enough of a change to video game development to price smalle developers out of developing games. It does not stop smaller developments from happening. If a game absolutely, seriously could not be profitable without letting people use it after servers are gone, there is something wrong with the game - this isn't a flat increase in dev time at all levels, and isn't a literal set cost increase for anyone looking to make an online game.
>>737308585You are telling me I have to take my shoes off when entering anyones house, my own included.As for online? Look into the Granite Act. It's purpose is to stop foreign countries from enforcing online regulation on US companies, and they can sue any country that tries it in am American court.Whether it'll pass or not, and whether it'll apply to this stop killing games shit is another issue. But it's entirely possible the EU could pass a law that says "if you shut a game down you will be fined if you don't give players a way to keep playing" and then the US passes a law that says "if they try to fine you, you can sue them in court".So in this situation, who wins?
>>737308202>these videogame companies are exploiting children! we need mass surveillance and a police state to counter it!You're an idiot if you think it won't go this way. This is the ultimate goal of SKG because otherwise it's an extreme non-issue. He couldn't even list a single game that wasn't from over a decade ago as example of what was he was talking about.
>>737308565you had actual hundreds of alternative devices to choose from and essentially all of them were USB-C. it wasn't a case of there's duopoly that maintains anti consumer behaviour, it was just a case of apple drones not choosing USB-C device from plenty of other options.
>>737308890>lose access to a 500M user market for 2mYeah Board A is an idiot.
>>737308742Have you actually looked at how the western game development industry is doing? A studio closes and lays off thousands every other day. And the things you have mentioned are trivial to implement compared to turning a live service into a self hosted server
>>737308894>You are telling me I have to take my shoes off when entering anyones house, my own included.No you can do whatever elsewhere but making two different versions of the same product doesn't make sense so you'll just make one that complies will all.
>>737308894>You are telling me I have to take my shoes off when entering anyones house, my own included.LMAO what?This is really fucking simple; If the companies want to sell their product in EU, they have to conform to certain EU regulations. They can FREELY choose to not sell in EU if that is what they want.You are getting your panties in a bunch over nothing.
>>737309043It's time and effort either way.
>>737298915I remember a far larger portion of people who voted to leave EU have died. It was a bunch of fucking boomers who would never live to see the problems they cause. Per usual
>>737308962Most problems with corpos fucking over customers are simply due to the customers being retarded, so yeah I agree. That's also why I don't mind some regulations like the USB-C one. I neither benefitted not lost anything to it, but it benefitted society at large
>>737308890>AdaptingHow many times would they be adapting the infrastructure? They probably shouldn't be using 'pre-SKG' software if it keeps increasing costs for no reason
>>737309076>larger proportion of dead voters are from the leave sideLower and upper age limit to voting, when?
>>737308962The problem with the USB-C law isn't it forced apple to use USB-C on their phones. It's that it forces everyone to use competing technology.What this means is if another, better technology comes along, no one can use it unless everyone uses it. If Apple were to invent a charger that charges your phone in 0.5 seconds flat, they cannot use it unless they give the technology to everyone else and it becomes the standard they all use.It's basically going to hold everything back. This is usually how EU regulation works.
>>737308893>This situation is absolutely not enough of a change to video game development to price smalle developers out of developing gamesAccording to whom? You? I'm a game developer and if this passes I'm not releasing any fucking online shit in Europe, I don't have months of life to spend on commercial flops. Of course you'll conjure some impossible statistic out of thin air like you were the thought police that knows exactly why each developer makes each financial decision before they make them
>>737309147A full blanket ban on voting for the eldery is ridiculous but I do agree they should be forced to stay out of things that can have impact for decades.
>>737309084>notnor*
>>737308974> Release game> It's Concord> Now you need to pay 2m more on top of the 200m you wastedLol, yes sure
>>737309227>Releasing the means to run a server locally costs 2m guyslol no it doesn't and in fact they already have this internally for testing purposes.
>>737309170>You? I'm a game developer and if this passes I'm not releasing any fucking online shit in EuropeBased, thank you for not littering on our side of the yard.
>>737309212Not sure how you would implement that other than with a blanket ban. But it is a bit extreme
>>737309154yeah i am aware. the problem is that while USB-C is "fine", it's more of an accident rather than good decision. because few years earlier they could've made the same law with mini-B and we would all be fucked
>>737309227It's a one time cost.
>>737309280inb4>you don't know shit about game development
>>737309170if your small-time indieflop would take months to develop an offline-mode or self-hostable server binaries you must literally be yanderedev tier of coder holy shit
>>737309170What? Okay let's say I really am retarded since that's the only argument you've put forward, WHY would this cost so much for you to change your dev cycle compared to how you'd do it now, and why this would apply to every game you make going forwards (rather than a one-time alteration to the infrsatructure you already use)
>>737309336That's a dumb whatifism, Mini-B didn't have the potential C had, noone would have taken it seriously.
>>737309336Nah the main problem is that the mandate doesn't regulate labeling the USB-C cables. So now we have a bunch of different types of cables we can't tell the difference of
>>737309280>lol no it doesn't and in fact they already have this internally for testing purposes.Depends on the game and what you define as playing. If you think you can locally host League of Legends tomorrow on your own computer, you don't know shit.
>>737309170If you didn't add offline redundancies while you were developing your online game, I have no idea what the fuck you were doing. Probably smoking crack.
>>737309170You really don't have a local server already for internal testing?
>>737309542And why not?
>>737308950First of all, corpos are exploiting all customers, not just children. And when everyone does it, you have no choice if not getting exploited.Second, regulations doesn't make EU a police state.Not like a police state is intrinsically bad; just look at El Salvador, a garbage Mexico-tier country transformed into a safe European-tier country.
>take current server infrastructure used in dev>compile it into a binary>update the main game to accept master server address config from a file instead of hard coded/gotten from some online APIdamn, I should be consultant. Ez 2 mil a week
>>737309426issue is things don't have to have potential or be taken seriously to pass. like age verification laws. though i suppose they do have potential, just the wrong kind
>>737309643>safe European-tier country.Yeah right, aren't they imprisioning 12 year olds in maxsec every day?
>>737300021
Didn't Apple already snivel and weasel around with the USB-C thing and built their charging ports so that any USB-C does charge it but only Apple USB-C cables are actually long enough to go in all the way and work properly or something like that
>>737309662Don't TELL them you moron now they won't hire us
>>737309542>if you think you can locally host DOTA tomorrow on your own computer, you don't know shitRetarded zoomer.
>>737309717Some USB cables only support charging but not data but that's a cable issue rather than what it plugs in to.
>>737309359Okay genius, let's say you develop your indieshitgame. To save time you use Firebase, Vercel, you get analytics from some othher Saas, you hook up and you deploy via Teamcity and and a bunch of other third party crap. Now you need to run all of that locally because your self hosters by law shouldn't pay for 3rd party services. What the fuck do you do and how long does it take you?
>>737309769That's a different game retard. You don't know shit
>>737309860>get told>y-you don't know shitRetarded zoomer.
>>737309703Homicide rate decreased of 98% in the last 10 years. If this is not a miracle...El Salvador is a example. We have only to learn.
>>737309805>and how long does it take you?Doesn't matter, if the game is good and we are passionate about it, we reverse engineer this shit even if it takes years. Many such cases already. A real gamer would know.
>>737309674I wanna believe the fact they acted almost immediatly after C became universal everywhere but aplel is a sign they rejected several mini-B proposals through the years.
>>737309860I'm assuming your "define as playing" meant the global ranking system wouldn't work? Oh no, what a shame, that's definitely what people mean when they say they want to be able to even PLAY A GAME when official servers die
>>737309860>You can't run a 3v3 multiplayer game with 1 map on your own computer that impossible you absolutely need this magic box that is somehow totally different to other computers
>>737309889When you were literally 1000x more dangerous than the more unsafe euro cities a -98% means you are still 20x more unsafe than the more unsafe euro city.
>>737309805You release the code that you run on all these services. Half this shit has free or low cost plans that communities can afford and the other half they'll reimplement.
>>737309971El Salvadors homicide rate is about comparable to the safest EU countries. It's around 1.3 per 100,000, which is comparable to France, Germany and Italy. The lowest in the EU is about 1 per 100,000.
>>737309923b-But the microtransactions! Imagine having all the cosmetic stuff unlocked for free, that would be a nightmare!
