New Lucky's Bancho Census, FFXIV is in serious problems
>>737307035Blue - Characters who got their first achievement between now and the previous bar (New)Red - Existing characters who got any achievement between now and the previous bar (Returning)Green - Existing characters who got zero achievements between now and two previous bars ago (Leaving)
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>>737307047Damn, kinda brutal. I left after endwalker when the post EW MSQ started releasing and was uninteresting slop. I made a really good call seeing how dawntrail turned out to be, didn't have to deal with that annoying character everyone hates so much.
>Yoshida stated in this interview, “We will look at player feedback to see if it’s more fun to keep raising monster allies, or if people want content that lets them mix-and-match their monsters and make them fight others.Can this guy make any fucking decision for himself? Why is it up to the dumb gay shit community to decide what content we get? This is why XIV is so fucking shit.
>>737307035that sucks though. does make me wonder what yoshi-p is gonna do at the fanfest. dual dye channels was the big winner at the last fanfest, and he already pressed the 'remove glamour restrictions' button. what could he do to top that?speaking of overcoming something, how will they top arcadion? its the best raid tier we've had
>>737307465>Can this guy make any fucking decision for himself?No. Every time he, or someone on his team, decides to try something everyone unilaterally hates it, and now that the game is doing badly the higher ups have to rely on the players to make the game popular again.
>>737307509its gonna be hard, Dawntrail shouldve been a fresh start for new players.the only option they really have is to treat this next expac as the new start in a new shard, and im guessing the "in case of emergency break" glass has been smashed for FF7 themed raid. >Housing needs addressed>Glamour needs fixed, copied from WoW>Class reworks>A good story that rivals Shadowbringers and Heavensward >Scions actually need to do something and atleast one needs to dieits gonna be a tough sell
>>737307792>scion needs to diehaven't seen a GRMMpost in awhile
>>737307671And the players (tranny twitterbase) knows better??? >>737307792Housing needs to revert to first come first serve. Fuck the lottery system. Off patches I can easily find houses but this lottery shit is fucking HORRENDOUS
>>737307035Watching WoW and FF14 die brings me joy.
>>737307896players do know what they want. they're just not the best at expressing it, or understanding how to build it. they also don't understand what effort needs to be put into it, if its even possible or cost effective
We won. WoW. Dawntrail is still way better than Shadowlands. Remember Torghast? Garrisons? Cosby suite? Yep, we are NOT going back. FFXIV has over 30 million players and TONS of permanently evergreen content that never gets old. Take that, Bobby Kotick.
You'll hear complaints and crying about this or that aspect of the game but literally the only thing the vast majority of the braindead casuals care about is the quality of the MSQ. If 8.0's story is good they will come pouring back in.
>>737307987>players do know what they wantlike? this retard? >>737307792
>>737308104No they won't, they'd have to through this garbage Wuk Lamat fest first. That ain't ever going to be worth my time
>>737308147The majority of the braindead casuals already did that and quit afterwards.
>>737308145yes. note how he doesn't provide solutions or even anything specific
>>737308186Fair I guess but there's also a lot of them that quit after EW and won't ever wanna go through dawntrail
>>737307987>players do know what they wantWhat players want is instant short term gratification, not what makes a memorable, interesting game
>>737308240There will be a Dawntrail story skip that's likely to be the best selling one of all time
Can't wait for the excuses here when the 1st post 8.0 LB chart comes out
>>737308074Source? Please don't tell me it's just a comic. And please let that dialogue be accurate
>>737308359presuming 8.0 is the best thing since sliced bread, you wouldn't see its effects on luckybancho till 8.1 or .2
>>737307509>wonder what yoshi-p is gonna do at the fanfestUnzip a second moon
>>737307035They really should be worried about that vanishing blue bar (new users) starting from DT
>>737307035Is this really a new census? I don't speak moonrunes so can't read what it's saying in the text.
I bet when I play DT it's going to be better than I expected and all the bitches whining about it are just freaking losers. that being said I'm in Post EW and the "reddit" situations and LOL IM SO JAPANESE HUMOR is killing me. I already hate hildibrand shit.
Will things turn around this year?
>>737307035>>737307047>Blue is in plain English the amount of new players filtering into the game>For Dawntrail the amount of new players is almost non-existent to the point of barely measuring on the graph.What in the fuck? Why is the amount of new players coming into the game, why is it so bad compared to all previous expansions?
>>737307035>>737307047Reminder for newfags that both the green bar and sometimes even the total magnitude get retroactively changed in subsequent quarters. When some players resub in 8.0 suddenly Dawntrail will look much healthier than it does now because Bancho will count them as "continuation" players.Absolute clownshow.
>>737307047I resubbed nov 2025 and just unsubbed last monthused quest skip to power through the msq in like 1 week, then got all my crafters to maxmade like 25m, did all the new stuff, played for a good amount of time... and now will wait for next expansionI hope it's good but I really don't want to see the annoying shota
>>737307987I think players are good at expressing when something is bad, but not at saying what would be good. That should be the job of the developers.
>>737308580>>737308896Because the expansion sucks and every single social media space (even discord and twitter) is full of people complaining and unsubbing. The game has a lot of negative marketing right now.
>>737308896Well, during wow becoming ultra shit for a period of a few expansions a lot of people left the game to play XIV, this was during shadowbringers and that momentum lasted till endwalker. Most people have spread the word about how bad dawntrail really was I suppose
>>737307035>not a single player quit during 1.0I kneel Tanaka-sama...
>>737309049One question, is the negativity justified is the expansion as bad as the reputation?
>>737307282The character's not even the worst part. The entire story is a goddamn mess. It's just so shit.
>>737309115>Total characters; 771,486Holy fuck wait so what in the fuck happened because pic related is from the previous LuckyBancho Census>Total characters: 934,552 It even had a PC gamer article written about how the game is so 'back'. But that's a massive loss, a loss of 163,066 characters within a single census.Pc gamer article from previous censushttps://www.pcgamer.com/games/final-fantasy/final-fantasy-14s-latest-unofficial-census-is-a-surprising-uptick-and-shows-im-not-the-only-one-getting-sucked-back-into-the-mmo-again/
>>737309098IMO yes, but the negativity should have started a lot earlier (around 6.2). The MSQ has been weak ever since Endwalker wrapped up all the story threads. Job design has been awful since Shadowbringers and gradually getting worse. There's very little innovation and the patches take so long to come out, causing frustration and boredom from the dripfeeding of content. Dawntrail has a particularly shit MSQ but in other aspects is about the same as the last couple of expansions, in some cases actually better (e.g. advanced dungeon).The reason why the negativity spiked SO much in Dawntrail is because the huge wave of ShB newbies (you can see the blue bars in the Bancho graphs) finally ran out of old content to play and are experiencing the glacial content dripfeed for the first time.
>>737308803It's worse than you can imagine. None of the story beats have any room to breathe, they just keep stacking up huge political and ecological crises, then resolve them abruptly and move onto the next one. This is terrible writing.
people on both sides put too much stock in LB.
>>737309312I just read the comment of that PC gamer article covering the previous census but it seems someone knew it would happen the massive drop off in numbers.
>>737309312It's weird that the overall census shows such a huge drop but the achievements census graph shows almost no change at around 225k.
>>737309418It correlates pretty well with Steamcharts which is the only other thing we've got.Sentiment matters much more to me personally than total player count though since it influences how many of my FC/friend group will want to play again in the future.
>>737309439Free login period was during the previous census.
>>737307035Dawntrail is truly XIV's Cataclysm. Wonder what cringe race will be in their Mists of Pandaria.
gato sexo
Slowly getting all my wings
>>737308145>>737308196cool comments fagtwins, why dont you tell me what you want?
>>737309815I'm probably gonna do an ex mount farm marathon in 7.5, are we skipping Speen's ice bridge phase yet?
>>737309810why are the ecchi pics of xiv so good and then it's only OC degenerate futa fat fuck shit for actual porn. why is like the only good pic made by a gore artist (no gore in this pic)
>>737307047>>737308908I was about to say thisEvery quarter it looks like almost everyone is leaving because the green bar is huge, but then next quarter it suddenly has changed to mostly red
>>737308341>have to buy dawntrail>have to then buy a skip for itnah, I'm not retarded and saw the writing on the wall for the 6.1 and onward, and didn't bother doing them or buying dawntrail. unless I can skip right up to 8.0, I'm done with ffxiv. fuck zero and her storyline, what a shit character
It's so over for yoshit piss
>>737308074Image would be better without the 3rd panel.
I wouldn't say they're fucked, they are at the make or break but they've been able to staunch the bleeding as we can see. However, it shows the new player issue remains existential with a pixel-tall levels of new players.>>737307792A translation on twitter suggested they'd give a 'weapon' to influencers/streamers to be able to catch up to content. Given it'd be an apocalyptic mistake to just give it to streamers and not fans at large I am pretty convinced we will see a hyperspeed-MSQ option or MSQ skip up to 8.0. It'll be amusing vindictation for how fucking catastrophically bad DT was and silence any attempt at revisionist apologism.What it might be is you need a friend to skip you. Which would be bad for completely new players with no friends, but it would present it more as "We want you to play with your friends!" And less "We have such old content that we haven't been able to make engaging we want you to skip it, also Dawntrail was a disaster">>737308896You have to know why if you're around in these threads. But like >>737309049said. Since HW the game was good enough a meme existed of people shilling it. I know I got three friends to pick it up. I know I also convinced all three DO NOT come back to the game and they have not. So XIV went from word of mouth bringing in massive additions (take the 3 I added then have 50,000 players do that) to word of mouth literally hurting the game bad enough Square is now suing Japanese players for damaging their social reputation.
that’s a shame. It makes me vague about what the leadership has planned for the upcoming community event. They already delivered major customization improvements recently and removed significant barriers to play, so I wonder how they can follow that up.speaking of high points, it’s hard to imagine them surpassing the current content cycle—it’s been top-tier.
Jollibee has to be the most overrated food chain. It's better than KFC and Popeye sure but fuck it has nothing against Church's Chicken and Chick Fil-A. The prices are fucking absurd for how little food you get too. I fucking love their burgersteak though. Wish it wasn't $25 for 3 meat patties and mashed potato though...
>>737307465>player feedbackSo they aren't planning on doing anything? Just like Quantum? kek
>>737307509nobody cares
>>737307035lucky bancho doesn’t count unless it says what I want it to say. sorry, pablo!
>>737307035Misleading population graph, those are not the real numbers, that is a sample-size graphThere's been a 100k player drop regardless after about a year of holding steady for some reason but at least bother to report the real info
>>737307792>the only option they really have is to treat this next expac as the new start in a new shardFF14: A Realm Re-Reborn.
>>737309418>"People on both sides put too much stock in LB". One side is saying the game is bad because of LB, the other is saying "Ignore LB, the game is fine". One side is ideologically motivated to see LB used less for how difficult it is to argue against.>>737309549There will (is) a concerted attempt to try and revise the memory of DT and downplay how bad it was. This gaslight can't be achieved in a world where we can look back at the records and see the near unanimity of how badly received DT was, as well as every possible metric showing us that it is doing worse and no possible metric showing us it is doing better except maybe the consensus that the gameplay of actual dungeons/bosses is quite fun. That just runs into the problem of "95% of the game is not that, 5% is that."Frankly if I could just get them to do two things it would be make a non shit story and make old content as challenging and fun as recent dungeons. But they seem to be doing the opposite with even casualizing the ARR piss-dungeon with one of the bosses now telegraphing their AOE.
>>737310867won't happen ever8.0 will have useless overworld zones you don't return to outside of msq, dungeons with 2 packs that do nothing and then a dodge the orange circles boss, 4 raid bosses per tier with 8 months in between tiers, some easy extreme trials and no other content to speak of. and you WILL like it.
>>737311286>One side is ideologically motivated to see LB used less for how difficult it is to argue against.The other side is ideologically motivated to see LB used but only when it shows downward population trends, because for obvious reasons, they are not interested in upwards trends.I do not see people being total niggers over LB unless it's displaying a downward trend. You're claiming you're being gaslit on how good or bad Dawntrail was and pointing to a player-count chart to have hard numbers for how good or bad it is, and ~770k players is still very very high for an MMO, for Pete's sake.
>>737309874Yea easily, 7.2 you could skip it.
it doesn't feel like I'm playing an MMO in a living world, it feels like I'm playing a lobby simulator like PSO2. there is zero engaging content in the game outside of savage and ultimate. occult crescent was a massive fumble that is near universally hated. variant dungeon groups practically don't exist. I already cleared FRU so all I have to look forward to for the next year is clearing the 7.5 ultimate.
>>737311976who the fuck plays MMOs for a "living world"that's second lifeyou want second lifego play ("play") second life instead
>>737312007>who the fuck plays MMOs for (thing mmos are known and played for)? are you stupid???in another era I would call this ragebait, in modern times I know that you actually are this stupid
>>737312007>who the fuck plays MMOs for a "living world"Promptly kill yourself zoomertranny.
>>737312067>>737312118different guys jump in to defend the biggest advertising campaign and outright fucking lie ever perpetuated in video games, one flinging around the epic zoomer tranny buzzwordsif i didn't already know it came from the everquest era, i'd assume blizzard came up with it honestly, the only other lie on a similar scale for MMOs were all those "we're going home" wojak hat threads for WoW Classic
>>737312118What do you mean by "living world"?Can you elaborate?
>>737312210I know you are a cultist because you autistically fixated on the usage of some phrase that you don't like that triggered you, and ignored all the completely valid points brought up by the post.
>>737312328>why did they ignore my post when it squirted an abortion out onto the floor in its first sentence? the rest was great
>>737312210Don't carePut a tripcode on bot
>muh living world>muh second lifemarche was right
>>737312380>I will move heaven and hearth to shift the focus back to a phrase you used that upset me if it will let me avoid addressing the fact that this game has nothing to do
>muh vagueness>muh attentionjanny was right
>>737308359Why? Will it be trustworthy again when 8.0 comes out?
>>737312285when the phrase was first used it was purely in reference to the games being real-time multiplayer, since then it became todd howard levels of empty promises and seeing mountains
>>737312440You being some annoying faggot euro is not at the least bit surprising to me
I have a legacy subscription, but haven't played since stormblood, mostly because I just didn't quite have the time to play and the story wasn't drawing me in for shit. Is it worth coming back now? Is there any way to fast track story or nah?
>MMOs never had active worlds with things to do in them! It's normal for the world to be an msq theme park and nothing else! It's a marketing term! You're a shill!are marketers in the room with us right now anon?
>>737312591how on earth did you get european from that?
>>737312585I just want to know what is considered a living world, since its a nebulous termI can't really judge if XIV would feel that way or not to me
>>737308896Them hiring DEI hires turned me off completely from the game. Square Enix needs to start tard wrangling their VAs with NDAs or some shit.
>>737312660If you want to try the story again, pick up where you left off with SB/ShB. There's no free skip and it's not worth buying one. There's a chance of a free skip with 8.0 but you've got to wait nearly a year for that.
>>737312680i don't think you're gonna get anything resembling an answer because the guy doing it is so pissed somebody jumped off his bait hook that he's vagueposting and soijakking
>>737312767I guess I'll throw a month on maybe.s I wish I could do the free trial but for some reason I'm punished for having an older account. I remember being pretty pissed about that when I wanted to come back and heavensward was free but I still had to fucking pay for stormblood to play it after my subscription.Thanks anon
>>737312678Am I wrong? Doubt it.
>>737312680>I need you to provide 500 different examples of exactly what you mean because I am retarded and never played any other video games before, and even if you do provide these I will explain to you why they don't actually count normal people tend to understand what basic expressions mean.
>>737312895congratulations, you've actually gotten under my skin. how fucking dare you call me europeanlol
>>737312847absolutely anything to avoid talking about the lack of engaging content in the game huh anon? I've never seen someone this fiercely desperate to try to shift the focus away from something.
Which way?
sorry guys I will use a trigger warning next time I mention a basic concept that other MMOs have. I know it can be really upsetting and traumatic.
>>737310401>So XIV went from word of mouth bringing in massive additions (take the 3 I added then have 50,000 players do that) to word of mouth literally hurting the game bad enough Square is now suing Japanese players for damaging their social reputation.I believe it about the word of mouth being FF14s fortune and also damnation but the part about SE suing Jap players? The fuck happened there?
>>737307035>"Guys, we are back at Stormblood numbers!">2 months later>"Guys, we are back at Stormblood numbers!">2 months later>"Guys, we are back at Stormblood numbers!">2 months laterwhy are we still not back at Stormblood numbers?
>>737307035Holy fuck.And this when the game is GETTING content.We haven't even started the YEAR LONG drought yet.Jesus fucking christ.
>>737312913>can't even define the vague word I used
>>737312731You mean to tell me that SE hiring an aggressive troon that was getting violent online against the player base did not in fact endear you to the game?
>>737307035I don't think these are accurate, especially since they started letting people private their Lodestone pages. Of course it just so happens the single biggest drop happened after they changed the privacy options and Bancho never mentions that.Also, the servers I spend time on never feel like there's a mass exodus. Limsa is still packed every night and I still can't DC travel to Aether unless I do it during "off" times.
>>737313249>vagueI see I got in your head, tranny.
>>737313160SE shut down a jap blogger for wrongthink. It was big news last month.
I used to like /v/ threads for this game but past a certain point there are now resident cultists that start frothing at the mouth when you make any criticism of the game. Did they get lost on the way to /r/ffxiv?
>>737313036
>>737313369Sometimes I think it would have been cool to live in Japan but then I remember their work culture and how retarded their laws are for individual rights.
>The fanfest will bring the hype back, just trust Yosh-HAHAHAHAHA
>>737313160One of the biggest JP fansites was reporting on SE's financial data for reasons that still aren't clear and they were turning into a bunch of mini-Barrys about itKind of a nothingburger because it was the site's admin not stepping in and shutting them all up that got them taken down and an apology extracted, though I'm not going to defend Japan's relative lack of free speech laws I also don't think gawking over SE's finances and The Future Of The Company in a place where it's not relevant is appropriate or should be tolerated, should've kept it to FF14
>>737313367
>>737313453It's just one unemployed tranny.
>>737313624Remember when you were still pretending that SE suing people was about death threats and not just consumers expressing incorrect opinions? How's that boot taste, commie faggot?
>>737307035Been almost 1 year since I let my subscription run out. It seems like the patches aren't stopping the bleeding. Only 8.0 can save it. 770k is good amount of players, if you ignore previous numbers.
>>737307792kek all of that done to the letter would not be enough. This game has always had the problem of being a themepark to the point of extreme sterility, theres no reason to explore the world, quests fucking suck shit, classes are one dimensional, gear is literally all stat sticks across the board, the game is fucked at a foundational level
Why did you FUCKING do it /v/?
>>737307465>to see if it’s more fun to keep raising monster allies, or if people want content that lets them mix-and-match their monsters and make them fight others.Are they stupid? I want both.
I stopped playing at the very last quest of 7.0 MSQ before the last fight and don't regret it
>>737314078>/pol/ squealingLol
>>737314195>Athena video
>>737307509>>737307792He said in interviews the other day that 7.5/55 is going to be comparable to Dalamud's Fall, that FanFest is going to be so information packed its going to effectively be "Part 0" before the Part 1 in 7.50, and that the patch will set up the next "big goal"/"trial" to overcome, so whatever it ends up being they've already internally committed to Dawntrail now being a filler arc bridge between Old XIV and New XIV.
>>737308908the most recent bar means jack shit yea
>>737314264Every accusation is an admission.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/736665969/#736694274
>>737314351Dawntrail was 1.0+ARR, it was always meat to be filler. I just hope the villain is an actual azem shard againWOL is getting way too powerful and the tranny stone is ruining the plot
The time is NOW! correct the course! her expansion!
>>737313624weren't they actually doxxing employees?
>>737314491>I just hope the villain is an actual azem shard againNo they need to move on from this, the storyline finished in Endwalker. Come up with some new ideas so that theyre not just rehashing Azem and the ancients over and over again
>>737314195Is this supposed to make me take Zodiark Trancers seriously? I can't tell
>>737314524I don't recall them doing that but I could definitely see that prompting such a swift and severe reaction
>>737314561You aren't meant to take anything from those garbage videos
>>737309312free login period campaign for returning players who wished to finished the raid msq. They went away the moment the free login period vanished
>>737314553Anon the new mcguffin is literally azems, there's no way we drop one of the central mysteries, especially since we now know the star is sentient without hydaelen there
How are these threads so miserable and schizophrenic? Sometimes I wonder how many people really post here. There can't be THAT many insane people in the same spot.
>>737314176SAAAAAAAAR SAAAAAAARJEET OF LIGHTNobody cares you unsubbed! Just give up!
>>737314690You just don't really engage with it and the thread lightens up.
>>737314306Don't deadname xer, it's Lanselot Lancaster now
>>737314406What the fuck did he mean by this
>>737310401>staunch the bleeding as we can see.dude, they are at the lowest fucking point since forever. Dawntrail launch had 1,4m characters and now we got 770k characters...we still far away from 8.0.
>>737314720I can't be bothered to keep up with that schizo's AI voiced videos
>niche genre (MMO about Story and Hardcore Raiding) returning back to niche numbers where it belongs
>>737314195It's embarrassing how this thread called anyone they didn't like a trancer, when every single critique that "trancers" had came true.
>(MMO about Story and Hardcore Raiding)
My DD grp just keeps getting intuitions. Crazy.
>>737314491>ARR>fillerI want you latecomer touristfags to just die already
>>737314989Okay? Your game is dead
>>737314176>if you ignore previous numbersmy fucking sides. Unsure if it a cope
>>737309913It's mostly about the blue bar, the game stopped gaining new players.
>>737314770Trying to larp as Athena from the Pandaemonium raids died when he got banned from basically every forum and social media he tried to use for being insane along with the unintended comedy of Athena's whole point being she was objectively wrongRebranded as a male vtuber and still gets deeply confused on what he's even bitching about since he'll still sometimes show FF16 b-roll when posting his Damning Critiques of FF14, still a WoW cultist in his own right, still has an ego susceptible to pin-pricks
>>737314491>I just hope the villain is an actual azem shard againkill yourself, but before you do that, take Jessecow with your and your marvel garbage bullshit into the thrash, you stupid mother fucker. azem assemble retards
>>737307035Does XIV have free weekends? I want to fish but don't want to give these jews my money.
>>737314491Arr isn’t a filler anon it’s a build up just like how DT is a build up of how we probably fully become azem aka get all of our shards. No idea why people don’t get this simple thing. Like when I seen the key reaction to azem stone I automatically knew we would be shard hopping and most likely go to shards azem went to
>>737315257They have free login periods for accounts that have had an active subscription in the pastThey also have the free trial permanently available up to the end of Stormblood (patch 4.55)
All lies. Xeno told me that dawntrail would be the most popular expansion and ffxiv would only grow more and more.
>>737314812It's crazy how low the standards of gamers (and anime fans) are in terms of storytelling. Truly a story as piss poor as FFXIV couldn't make it in any other medium.
Can Pyrehail turn things around for XIV?
>>737314351>He said in interviews the other day that 7.5/55 is going to be comparable to Dalamud's FallReminder he literally said the exact same thing about Pre-Endwalker Launch, That there was going to be some big in game event before launch. Then literally nothing happened.Then he said there were going to be major in game events during the 35th Anniversary Year leading up to the release of DT, again nothing happened.This is all just apart of this regular marketing script at this point.
>>737315276>DT is a build upKill yourself. Kill yourself. Genuinely. Fuck this cope. ARR handle like 20 different background issues during it msq, while telling a coherent but boring story. Dawntrail brings up the cup halfway through the base msq and the secret evil group at the end of the msq, but you dont see them until 7.2. ARR had like ala mhigo, garlean empire, nidhogg, issues. Even coldheart is mention in arr i think or was it her group of traitors...anyway what im saying is that arr did it better and they didnt fuck up their region by making it fucking flat as a fucking puddle.
HAIL OF PYREBORN OF PYRE
>>737315501>dawntrail isn't the foundation of the entire setting like ARR was so that means build-up isn't happening KILL YOURSELF KILL YOURSELF COPE COPE REEEEEEWhat possesses a man to post like this
>>737315257Just try the free trialYou can do quite a lot of content without ever paying a cent
folder dumpy is back!?
>people quit because the first half of Dawntrail is boring Tural lore>they don't even know the second half and post-MSQ is a total tonal shift to Matrix/Tron/Blade Runner/Westworld type sci-fi, artificial life existential crisis kino
yo shit pee
>>737315569I've have an account, but amy create a trial one just to fish, I guess.
Not to worry lads, F2P ShB will save the day!
>>737315538ONE HAILS THE PYREONE PYRES THE HAILTWO TONED WOLVES TUMBLING THROUGH WINTER
>>737315481>>737315538All hail, the rise of pyre.
>>737308896Just like with MH WildsBad word of mouth, good initial sales but new sales or players in XIVs case after that
>>737315685I think if anything they might be equally put off by how the story glosses over Solution Nine being pretty badly in the karmic red for their soul technology since we wouldn't ally ourselves to them in really any way otherwise
WINTERWOLVESBORN FROM WOLVESOF OUR FALLEN BROTHERS
>>737307035I left post Endwalker MQ and never really looked back and I don't even think about coming back but I still hope they get back on their feet.
When they make the next v&c dungeon they really ought to add a challenge log to it.It's part of what still keeps me doing Pilgrim's Traverse weekly.
I didn't play DT, can any anon sum up the story for me? Is it good?
>>737315481>>737315813i cant find this shit am i dumb, I put the right number in
>>737307035Pretty brutal drop.But also, its basically about back to before the WoWfugees gave the game a massive popularity boost. It kinda feels like its really just course correcting since the Wowfugees/Covid spike.I imagine it'll continue falling, though. Beastmaster looks kinda shit, and thats the big gimmick of 7.5.Eat shit, Yoshida.
>>737315501>halmarut talking about the shard dying>not build upBait or obtuse
>>737315905Just use Grok or something, you mong
>>737315905Second half is top notch sci-fi concepts kino. If you enjoy the locations in Tron Legacy, you'll love Solution Nine (a city in DT).
>>737315685Tural was such a waste. Some bullshit no conflict taco continent that exists to simply to have a dome of solution 9 on it where all of the story actually takes place.
>>737315981I really expected it to be linked to Zodiark, not Hydaelyn.
>>737315549>dawntrail is the set up!>wow you're so mad just because dawntrail isn't the set up!What possesses you to come here and post this retarded shit? Do you honestly think you're convincing anyone to like Dawntrail? Why are you spending your life like this?
>>737316039Correct. On the bright side, I think they learned from that. Anything since then has been pretty great for my tastes anyway
>>737315905It's OK>basically nothing happens for the entirety of the story's focusing in Tural beyond setting up Solution Nine, specifically setting up a place within Solution Nine as the fabled "city of gold" (which also exists as an actual Mamool Ja city of gold in treasure map dungeons)>Solution Nine is a giant cyberpunk death cult and asks "what if we had AI chat-bots of your dead relatives except we wrote this before real companies actually were trying to make AI chat-bots of your dead relatives">Jimmy Calyx Boy Genius is introduced and is a Kuja expy up to and including summoning Necron>Halmarut my beloved (apparently Aerith expy?)
>>737316023>DUDE is artificial intelligence.... LE ALIVE???How does Hiroi come up with this stuff?!
>>737315839Yea like the souls they use are just fucking gone forever never to return to the life stream it’s fucking wild when you think about it
>>737316049It's not even certain if it's linked to Hydaelyn at all.All we know is that nature reigns over the star again, like it was before Hydaelyn and Zodiark.
>>737315549Here a bump for your thread :). Everyone kept saying dawntrail is like ARR, but the moment you call them out on it, they cry. >>737315981Halmarut is 7.4 content at the end of the patch too lol. Im talking about base game. But you knew that, so why am i wasting my time.
>>737316001>SAAR USE THE AI SAAAR PLEASE AI SAAAAR DO THE NEEDFUL
>>737316169that's actually debunked.all those souls return to the lifestream eventually
>>737316148No the question is "are memories the actual sum of a person" but I can see how one might mistake the real writing theme for this when they're throbbing rock hard to hate on Hiroi>>737316169Yeah Solution Nine is almost Blasphemy/Final Days level in terms of the actual danger they represent even if it's at an astronomically slower scale since they want souls as a fuel source instead of just deleting any soul they come in contact with instantly. It's really nutty how bad Dawntrail is about holding Solution Nine accountable for its own practices, but it's also really funny how Alexandria fucking off from The Ninth seems to be a net positive for everybody else still alive there
>>737316205>It's not even certain if it's linked to Hydaelyn at all.That's what I thought. For one, Halmarut being an Ascian, I'd assume would call Zodiark the Will of the Star.But it seems to be regarding Hydaelyn's death causing the reflections to draw lcoser to the Source in some way.
>>737316049It’s probably both and halmarut trying to to get us to make another Zodiark and her becoming the heart of zodiark and us become Hydaelyn type deal
>>737316273Solution Nine is introduced to you as souls becoming an increasingly scarce resource and the city is facing actual depopulation problems because there aren't enough souls in the Everkeep's circulation to actually produce new life
>>737316148>I didn't actually understand the storyWay to out yourself, bro.
>>737316285>No the question is "are memories the actual sum of a person"Dawntrail literally never asks this question.
>>737316354Sounds like a metaphor for the FFXIV population lmao
>>737316383Dawntrail asks it constantly but I'm strongly suspecting you go off of secondhand info from threads or YoutubeWhich is actually even more damning of you because you can just watch an MSQ playthrough on Youtube and get the whole picture
Are there any youtube videos defending the msq of dawntrail? No joke, just videos that tries to engage in good faith and show why everyone is wrong calling it "shit".
>>737316343Possibly.My guess initially at the end of 7.4 was>Zodiark mended the planet after it basically died (2nd sacrifice)>now that he's gone, it's slowly reversing
>>737316354>Solution Nine is introduced to you as souls becoming an increasingly scarce resourceThat was because of the of Endless needing an ever increasing part of the soul-pie.Which stopped being a problem once we got rid of Endless Sphene
>>737316445The biggest surge of rantsona MSQ videos both for/against was around 7.0-7.1 when every WoW grifter was chanting Deadus Gameus
>>737316428>Dawntrail asks it constantlyIt doesn't. Post a single time.>but I'm strongly suspecting you go off of secondhand info from threads or YoutubeI can post all the proof in the world that I played through DT and you still won't post a single time the game asks that question because it never does. You're just creating an out for yourself to disengage once I start demanding proof.
>>737316383Is it possible you completely missed any nuance in the story and just constructed in your brain what you ASSUMED the story was?
>>737316354NTA but I wonder what even was the plan because let’s say the wol never showed up and they start to shard hopping would they the do a 40k type of deal that they are forcing the other shards to make people just for souls/fuel
Are we still regurgitating Dawntrail bad for the second year in a row? You sheep got nothing better to talk about?
>>737315481gake and fay
Man, A Long Fall (Pulse) sucks ass.MLG 360noscope gamer montage ass music
>>737316502>vague answer>doesnt answer me directly or provide a linkat this point I believe there are 4 people here atm, desperately trying to keep this thread alive for no reason. They are not engaging with the question and always seem want to keep the thread active, even if it fake activity by samefags. I'm done. Enjoy this (you)
>>737316548They are being ignored and people are theory crafting what halmarut is trying to do
>Can't stand being sober right now because of how shit everything is>No drugs>no alcohol>no high from exercise>porn is degenerate and not for meFF14 it is then.
>>737316490It's still a problem that Solution Nine is hopelessly addicted to souls even without Living Memory even if it's the single biggest drain gone, those guys are actively weaning themselves off souls over the course of 7.0-7.5
>>737316659God wouldn't have given you a prostate that needs regular use to avoid cancer if He didn't want you to masturbateThough I think He also wouldn't have made the easiest way of checking your prostate being a finger in your ass if He didn't want stuff going on in there
>>737316520You seem like the type of person that reduces a story to something you have previously seen elsewhere and just assume it's the same thing without actually paying attention to what's actually being told. Media literacy is a thing, you know.
>>737316445https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpAYuzV5gCgJesse Coxsucker
>>737316490They still using souls because a ton of them still scared of death I think because I recalled only a few people showed up to turn on the “ remember the people close to me dying” stuff
>>737316578>Immediate debate-guying about whether or not he played DawntrailYou're the one who did that, actually, because you don't actually know what the fuck you're talking about and needed to start projecting so you can pretend I'm not worth engaging with.>I don't need an out, I can just say "bye nigger." Bye niggerThanks for playing. You lost.>>737316735>MUH MEDIA LITERACYPost where the game asks this question. Do it or don't even bother replying.
Born in pyre (still, we forge ahead)Stained in hail (unto tomorrow)Bound by cock (so we forge ahead)Purpose fed (unto tomorrow, bring us tomorrow)Pyre thrives (ever forge ahead)Hail in hail (unto tomorrow, welcome tomorrow)Souls aligned (that we forge ahead)Forge ahead (yeah, we forge ahead, yeah, we forge ahead)PYREHAIL
>>737316853>i suffer from a serious case of media illiteracyk
Why can no-one come up with a good fake XIV name. Pyrehail is just two conflicting words that doesnt bring any kind of image to mind and Starfarer is just a normal fucking word. At least the guy who made up the japanese title for Silver Horizon dodged it and stuck to the easier japanese name theme, even if the rest of that was dumb.
>>737316716My anal cavity is exit only except for my wife and I'm unmarried so it remains locked.
>>737316637Pulse has more misses than hits but I kinda like the swerve of the super-bassy club version of Alexander (up until the dogshit high pitched gobbie-rap lyrics)Lakshmi's Pulse remix is good
>>737316716>>737316659Prostate is also your g spot, massage it while jacking off it'll feel better than any jack off you've had in the past
>>737316946I noticed you didn't post any time the game brings up that question.
What is the cope when 8.0 has less players than 7.0? Surely "covid" can no longer work, even through 7.0 came out in 2024 summer time
>>737316548Only because people engage with them, to be honest.
>>737317015I'd rather not.
>>737316964Opposite for me, there's only a few misses for me but damn do those suck hard.
>>737316578Post deleted after insulting a debatelord trollWas there actually something to that super fake mod post a day or two ago???? Does he walk amogus????
>>737316964I'm not hating all Pulse.Just that one. I know there's some better ones and some bad ones.But that one really gets to me. Especially since I hear it so often in PT.
>>737315685at this point couldn't care less, i let my sub run out in 7.1 and i'm never coming back to youshitpiss personal cesspool of tranny utopia, that shit aside, the amount of tech debt their shitty engine has and complete homogenization of all classes take away any potential interest i might've had in any future expansions
>>737317110What did you do in XIV today?
>>737317074>Of course it would have less player than 7.0, the msq was mixed, but 8.0 was better than 7.0, so next expansion it will be BIG! Basically that
>>737316954>Pyrehail>fire and ice>no image in your mind??
>>737317110You talking about the strange coincidence of every post making fun of your manly fart stink fetish being instantly deleted?
>>737317096Ok your loss buddy
>>737316954>Why can no-one come up with a good fake XIV name?Because not even Yoshi-P can>Stormblood>EndwalkerI mean come on. Those names would sound retarded as fuck if some random anon posted them. The only reason you think they sound good is because you saw the official logos and played the expansions.
>>737310138You dont have to buy Dawntrail, expansions always have all the previous ones included. If you havent bought DT and wait to buy 8.0 you get DT for free (which is still less than its worth)
>>737317110Kill yourself loser faggot.
>>737317319I dunno if there's any reasoning to somebody that's, like, religiously opposed to paying for Dawntrail in any conceivable way, up to and including Orange Box shenanigans of buying free things from a purchase page
>>737316659I get drunk as fuck and role play
>>737317297I do like that Endwalker sounds like some doomsday cult name.
what about dawnwalker
May I ask what is there to do besides dailies, golden saucer stuff and the main story? Please don't be funny and say nothing, I actually want to know what else I can do in the game.
>>737317416What's your type of gameplay?
>>737317297He doesn't come up with those, localization does. The Japanese names are always totally different (usually better)
>>737307896Housing needs to be instanced and not tied to being subbed.
>>737317409>former Witcher devs literally slapped together Endwalker + Dawntrailtop kekGame looks good though
>You're debate-guying me!
>>737317416You can raid but Savage raiding is easy and there's only 4 bosses a tier and they drop an ultimate like once an expac
>>737317453I don't know what that means, I've tried pvp too and I kinda like it, I just don't want the game to become a daily chore.
>>737317457>Stormblood - Crimson Liberators>Shadowbringers - Jet Black TraitorsHoly based
>>737317527I'm more so asking because it might decide how much there is for you.Different people play for different reasons, and trying to sell a raidfag Eureka or Palace of the Dead or fishing is an exercise in futility.
>>737317497>mfw someone says something i don't like so i challenge them but then they ask me to back up my stance with evidence
>>737317416Crafting, mount farming, maps, relics for battle and crafter/gathers, and outfit making which is the most important thing like all MMOs looking good as you kill stuff is the real endgame.
>>737317553Blue Skies of Ishgard mogs Heavensward so much
>>737307035im seeing shitty generic marketing pop up lately even though they have nothing to hype, just 'create your character and play your way - FFXIV' shit. they desperate?
>>737317686What's a Sward?
>>737313036Top all day everyday
>>737317686Heavensward is better imo>dragoon's jump/flying dragon>a line Kain said in Dissidia 012 when using his EX attack>the Heavens' Ward>the sky
>play the game for over a decade>finally u sub a few months ago>theu finally announce being able to job change and accept party invites while craftingThese motherfuckers wait until after I quit to finally fix my.njmber one pet peeve about the entire game. This is bullshit.
>>737317794they've been doing a lot of QoL updates all over the expansion tbf
>>737317794Pranked
>>737317376I would get drunk by I have a dependant so I can't. Haven't been drunk well, it's been that long I can't remember the last time.
>>737317183just "its fire and ice" as opposed to shadowbringers leaning into becoming the darkness (back before we knew it was just dark = good and nothing about us really changed) or even dawntrail being the path to the new cycle leaning into the name conventions in a meta example, its just not interesting.They're not all winners though a la Heavensward.but yeah the japanese titles have always been cooler.>蒼天のイシュガルド - Azure Skies of Ishgard>紅蓮の解放者 - Crimson Liberation>漆黒の反逆者 - Pitch Black Villains/Traitors>暁月の終焉 - Dawn Moon's Finale>黄金の遺産 - Gilded/Golden Legacy
>PyrehailWhat a shit name. I hope that isn't the final English name and hope they localise it to something more impactful, because it sounds fucking awful.
>>737317965I'd guess it's a fakeout name or just a random trademark like Westwolves (OW OWWWWW) was
>>737317583What's the difference between a raid and a normal dungeon that you do a million times? That's something I don't get, is the experience worth it or is it for other stuff?>>737317656Thanks I'll have to look up how to start in all that stuff
>>737317998WESTNO MORE ONCE UPON A WOLF
Do you think this game will ever have private servers? Maybe some time after the final expansion?
>>737318097WEST... WOLVES.... *gurgles blood* OW OWW!... *cough, sputter*
>>737317998you can just look at Square's public patent listings or look up that specific number, either shows you it's not real
so until new year the only content is>beastmaster (that you will complete in a week)>ultimate (for raiders)>occult crescent (more of the same and the final weapons look meh)>the new crafting area (who cares)This game isn't going to survive with only that.
>>737315481I too remember when Westwolves and Forspoken were XIV expansions
>>737317757you didn't take the Heaven Sward at the end of the story?
>>737318181There is also an alliance raid and I think one final Cosmic Exploration zone.Why OC only got 2 zones to 4 for Cosmic I'll never understand.
>>737318181>(more of the sameProbably not, budging on the dumbass Fork Tower entry requirements within six months of release is an awful lot of eaten crow for them thinking Bozja was too successful or whatever it was, would expect the next OC zone to be more Bozja-like in general cadence
>>737318181This game isn't going to survive with only that.The game has been surviving for over 10 years with a content schedule exactly like this. Not saying I like it but xiv fans will slop down everything
>>737317998
>>737318185>ForspokenIt does exist though. It's shit but you can buy it right now. What did Westwolves end up being?
>>737318291You know i hate a lot of the nostalgia bait xiv does but I would be OK with a vegnagun raid series
>>737318392I can get behind "somebody is trying to hook an enormous fuck-off laser cannon into the Lifestream" though I don't know if I'd be down for Shuyin
>>737318392>>737318439If they were gonna make that plot line they'd absolutely make it a Midgar expy and not a Vegnagun expy.
>>737318036Raid fights are one boss fight, and a raid series is multiple singular boss fights. No trash, unlike dungeons. Also, dungeons are 4m and raids 8m.
Haha guys, Pyrehail is totally gonna be real guys
>>737318615Yanks still waiting on that Foreskin expansion
The new expansion is gonna be WINTERSUNYou're welcome
>1.23>a good end for a good game with horrible technical issues in a unfinished state>ARR 2.0>comfy as fuck>small areas>with vistas outside of the borders>feels like being part of a much bigger world>story is grounded (for a japanese RPGs)>end is bullshit but whatever>2.X>3 dungeons>always new and exciting content>Coil is a real raid>story is believable and just part of a bigger world>first xpac>less content>ugly huge overworld maps>each xpac has less content in the update cycle>raids got smaller with each xpac>8 man raids are just boss arenas with cutscenes between themXIV peaked with ARR. No matter what everyone is saying. It was a great foundation to make a great mmorpg. Now we have low effort content and a horrible written story. And this shit started with Heavensward. And yes, Shadowbringers was shit too.
>>737318615
>>737315481If you're gonna fake one, don't use a registration number that can be seen: https://www.j-platpat.inpit.go.jp/c1801/TR/JP-2026-003123/40/en
>>737307035More like Downtrail lol
>>737318856so you took "Pyrehail" swapped it to "Hailpyre" and then simplified it to remove any subtlety and the result is Wintersun? You're hired.
>>737318868>3 dungeons per path>2 of them are just hard modes (literally the same dungeons as before with different mobs and a color filter applied)Nah I'm glad they stopped wasting time on that garbage
>>737319016Actually the name is from a metal band
>>737307859nta, i think calling scions to die is silly, but their arcs are fucking done - they had their ups, their downs, their returns, their fullfilments, everything. There is nothing else to milk from them, other than "hey i recognize this person". Putting another arc on them would be really boring and make them meaningless, we need something to refresh the crew, we're just dragging narrative corpses.
They stopped letting this shit leak on jplatpat after ShB but if you are curious, the latest publicly available trademarks by square consist of>26/04/14 - スーパーの裏でヤニ吸うふたり>26/04/03 - FINAL FANTASY>26/04/03 - DRAGON QUEST>26/03/24 - 冒険家エリオットの千年物語>26/03/24 - The Adventures of Elliot:The Millennium Tales>26/02/03 - ￠Lit Baff Apt>26/01/09 - Catrip>25/12/22 - ワンルーム、日当たり普通、天使つき。>25/12/15 - FINAL FANTASY TACTICS ‐ The Ivalice Chronicles>25/12/10 - PLAY ARTS＼ACTION FIGuRE∞真＼SHIN>25/11/12 - BRAVELY DEFAULT FLYING FAIRY>etc shit that's already out
I doubt Yoshida cares if the population drops. I reckon FFXIV makes profit as long as it's above 100k players.
>>737307035So is this the first expansion that isn't getting a resurgence at the end?
>>737319198Corporate directors famously don't care about declining profits. Especially with a group attempting a hostile takeover of the company.
>>737319095This is the rambling of a pyschopath who only uses people and is constantly shuffling new 'friends' because "their character arcs are done now".
>>737307035ops, did i kill your game anon.
>>737319317>characters in a video game are my real life friends
>>737319215This graph always looked like shit, even during Endwalker
>>737319317i'd ask how many highschool friends you're still in contact with but i assume you've yet to finish it
>>737319095Not even a Yshtolafag but she's pretty much the only one that's still complete fucking cardboard in terms of character depth and could use an actual arc. More or less she's just "the sassy one". She's never had to face and confront failure or be meaningfully challenged in any way like the rest of them have. All this despite being more or less the face of the entire game in terms of NPCs.
>>737319151>PLAY ARTS＼ACTION FIGuRE∞真＼SHINclearly the new expansion
Predictions for 8.0 title name?
>>737319056Not a single hard mode was "literally the same dugeon", unless you just mean the *literal location* in which case yeah that was the point.They all had new assets, changes to the dungeon as time passed (except Halitali I think admittedly), new routes into places you didnt get to go before (except Halitali), new lore and bosses. They were great additions to expanding the world, getting to see more places. Optional dungeons disappearing was the biggest loss imo, not just the Hards but all the original stuff like Swallows Compass, the Lost City dungeons, Kugane Castle. Small brief opportunities to get to learn about and visit a small part of new places does a lot for the game's world.Variants are finally kind of filling that void and you do get a lot more of a place from that (I was over the moon when I realized I was inside Sil'dih the first time) but it's been this long and we've got four of those. The Field Ops help a bit here too, taking you to a big portion of a new place. Alliance Raids becoming collabs and the EW one being divine magic realms kind of lost an opportunity to be a part of that.
wish me luck anons
PYREWOLVES SAILPYREWOLVES TRAILPYREWOLVES HOWL AS THEY TELL THEIR TALEWOLVES ON THE HUNT IN THE PYREHAIL
>>737319587Y'shtola's main character trait that the community always forgets about is that she is blind.
>>737319587>She's never had to face and confront failure or be meaningfully challenged in any wayit's crazy that she's seemingly died twice and is permanently physically blind but your statement is still correct
>>737319769Except shes not REALLY blind
>>737319587>never confront failure>never meaningfully challengedas mentioned above, she lost her eye sight
>>737319674The game devs forget it too because it has literally never negatively impacted her in any way whatsoever.
>>737315481PYRE OF HAILBORN FROM HAILOF OUR PYRE BROTHERS
>>737319663oh sack of silvered light you so silly
>>737319514people shitpost the red and green but the blue is by far the most dire statnobody is coming into the game anymore
>>737307035oh no no no XIVbros...the edge is calling tonight
>>737319827One of my favorite things to do in the game with new friends is offhandedly mention Y'shtola's blindness when discussing the MSQ. The reactions are priceless. More often than not, they ask something like "When did that happen?" and show complete shock when I tell them "Since post-ARR."
>>737319872nobody asked boo hoo nigga
>>737319872Maybe the music is worth something
>>737319872>>737320024first time I even hear of this minion
>>737318615The Forspoken sequel, Pyrehail
>>737307035>WoW does bad>FFXIV does better>WoW does good>FFXIV diesFFXIV got carried by the fact that BFA and Shadowlands were a terrible WoW expansions. Any other argument is purely delusional.
>>737320127>wow does goodLOL that shit is dead as FUCK
>>737320127I don't think you know what the word die means
>>737320098The music is worth like 150gil atp. Some of it is more, like Insanity, but even that is like 20k gil.Too many people still doing the DD and it drops too often.Next expansion it'll probably go up in price. Same as Cosmic Exploration rewards.
>two Monster Hunter crossovers>a Dragon Quest crossover that gets repeated every few years>Fall Guys crossoverHow about a Suikoden crossover or Dunk & Egg?
>>737307035Reminder.
>>737320268I want a Bravely Default crossover
>>737320298WOW BADXIV GOOD
>>737320298Dawntrail is still doing a lot better than ARR, HW and Stormblood did.
>>737320323There's no need to get triggered by the explanation of data, anon.
>>737320298The most recent bar is basically placeholder, which is weird.
>>737320214Clearly the game is dead at nearly 800k subscribers
>>737320361Personally, I'd like Stormblood levels of numbers. Comfier than like ShB/EW levels.But I know Square is shitting their pants with neurotic rage over line go down.
>>737320298They all keep growing in retrospect
>>737320361>Dawntrail is still doing a lot better than ARR, HW and Stormblood did.The true redpill is that Dawntrail is even doing better than Shadowbringers, if player numbers are all you want to look at. Shadowbringers' peak was slightly higher, but Dawntrail has not yet reached Shadowbringers' low.
>>737320298The game is still perfectly fine, it isn't "dying". The game operated for 6+ years with lower numbers than it sits at currently. Now, if it continues to trend downward from where it is currently then concerns may be warranted, but for irght now it's fine. 6.0 will be the make or break point.
I just got that lynx Bahamut mount and... my god is it shit. I'm sure some people may feel nostalgic about it, being a depiction of Bahamut from an older FF.But the way it looks with that silly chair carrying animation, and the way it feels to use... garbage (to me).
>>737320578I'm a huge IV fag and I hated it. I liked the Lynx mounts though.
>>737320298>bro 100k people totally privated their account on the pointless website nobody uses and that's why the game is flopping trust me
>>737320578most people i know even if they do recognize the bahamut for the reference still thinks it looks like shit
>>737320576The grand fallacy in these types of discussions tends to be that people want to assume that line will always continue to go down at the same rate until number hits 0 and game shuts down.
>>737320578I like the bahamut model, but I hate the retarded cuck chair
>>737320625New lodestones are private by default iirc
This is my complaint: all the casual content rewards is basically just an achievement, some form of collectible/glamour, or a one-shot (Or a 12-shot for VC). That and every piece of gear just feels disposable, even raid gear.I think most of the problem comes down to just how accessible they want the game to be, gear has to be replaceable on a schedule so that it is easy for any new or returning player to get right back into the thick of it with little friction.This might be a thing for me personally, but I don't think you can make any kind of repeatable content fun when the reward is a one-and-done, or its an upgrade for a relic which will ultimately get replaced in 3 months, then upgraded again in another 3 months, then relegated to glamour dresser within 2 years.Then you have the self-contained adventures and their self-contained power/gearing scaling like OC/Eureka/Bozja, that any progress you make within has no lasting impact outside that content (Maybe for a single patch cycle the relic upgrade or a random piece of gear from the content is usable outside that content). Grinding class levels in OC doesn't interest me, as it has no use in the wider game.Myself, and I think a fair few others are tired of the endless treadmill, especially when all other content rewards are geared towards glamor/collector-minded players. Nothing wrong with those types of players, just not my friend and I's cup of tea. I yearn for that 'Holy shit, I finally got this item I have been eyeing for ages' and the knowledge that it won't be collecting dust within 3 months.
Square Enix desperately waiting for Asmongold to continue playing XIV.
>>737320625There's no need to make up fake greentext anon. And while it's important to remember that the ability to private your Lodestone was also introduced during the height of the player stalking plugin fiasco, people privating their Lodestones obviously does not account for 100% of the dropoff. But it does account for more than 0% of the dropoff, and this ability was introduced when people were still "worried" about getting playerscope'd.
>>737320734Square joined Asmon's war against vtubers, but on the side of vtubers
>>737320625>dude this one drop being the biggest drop on the whole graph is a total coincidence and has nothing to do with them adding the ability to private your page at the same time I swear
>>737320802total coincidence it came after the worst expansion release and the worst received patch
>>737320731go back to wow
>>737320163>>737320214delusional.
>>737320798>Asmon's war against vtubersJust because he blasted that one whore doesn't mean he's against vtubers in genreal
>>737320984Guy's an enormous mongoloid for doing that, should've been a permanent Twitch ban.
>>737307047>Existing characters who got zero achievements between now and two previous bars ago (Leaving)how does this confirm leaving?I probably got 0 of them since then because already got a lot
>>737320760playerscope had nothing to do with the lodestone, retard
>>737319370Lol and all because Kate didn't want to hear British accents anymore in the English localisation. What a weird hill to die on.
>>737320734I doubt they'd welcome him back with open arms after how much he's bad-mouthed the company and even CS3 and Yoshida
>>737321061You haven't gotten ANY achievements since the last patch? Even though you get them for new content you would have done since then, such as the MSQ, trials, seasonal events, variant, etc.?
>>737321086quotes please, am curious
>>737307035No new players due to obsessive troon marketing and the fact most people aren't going to play through 600+ hours of expansions just to get to the new content.Next expansion is gonna be a spin off or branch so new players can start playing from that instead
>>737321042Nah that cunt deserved it for being a fleshie whore.
>>737321061>how does this confirm leaving?NTA. It doesn't necessarily mean they are leaving. If it meant they were leaving, then the graph would decrease by the green amount every time, and it doesn't. It does, however, mean that they aren't completing the most recent MSQ. There is still plenty actual content to do in the game that doesn't involved the most recent dungeon or the most recent EX, but it's still not exactly a positive thing. >>737321075You're doing the leftist thing. Stop doing the leftist thing.
>>737321061The MSQ gives out achievements every update, people who aren't even doing that aren't playing the game.
>>737321075It's not hard to draw a line between Playerscope and general privacy improvements
>>737321086I don't remember Asmon really badmouthing SE.He just called Kate a dumb bitch or something
>>737320298Previous census had the numbers of player characters at 930k+Current census is at 771k+That's a loss of 163k+ characters in the span of two months. Two months the game has lost 163k characters. That's an insane loss and something very badly wrong has happened. >>737309312>>737309432
we are 100% getting FFVII content next expansion, right?
>>737321267because the previous rise was due to the free login, it's the only way they can get a fake player count bump these days
>>737320614>>737320629I think it might have been cool if you just sat on its back. But the quirky chair carrying shit not only makes it look silly, but makes its animation awful.>>737320678Same.
>>737321281No way of knowingWe've already gotten basically everything soi-beards care about for FF7 that isn't Midgar, between Cloud and Sephiroth references, WEAPONs, and Meteor/Holy
>>737321267I think it's clear that LuckyBancho is attempting to paint a negative picture with XIV. Anecdotally, my server now has so many people that it wont even load them all during Slice is Right, which is very weird for me to see since it was never like that before.
>>737321281Unlikely. We're getting a ff7R3 collab to shill that game since its in an even worse state than 14, but that's it.
>>737321281they are right now selling a Red XIII minion on the mog station store, to hype up fan festival... pretty suspicious
>>737321367I don't think it's any deeper than their main data acquisition method becoming unreliable
>>737321367>People are in gold saucer during an event that rewards them for being in gold saucerTruly a mystery why that would be.
>>737321397They've always sold FF7 stuff before fan fest
>char is still higer than SB era and almost on par with ShB>diyinglolBut lets be honest here. The reason why Endwalker had huge numbers was because of the combination of the WoW drama and Covid era
>>737321314It seems that way which means free login campaigns also don't mean anything for the game as those people aren't sticking around, they instantly leave. Smart move by them but it absolutely does read like a false positive for the health of the game as that comment put it, you think the game is popping off but it's just people logging in for the free login campaign and then instantly quitting again after the two/ three days of free play time.
>pyrehail discussions are localized entirely within /v/ and /vg/
>>737321281The saddest part is that if XIV gets any sort of VIIR collab, I genuinely think it's to attempt to bolster VIIR's numbers rather than an attempt to bolster XIV's numbers. Rebirth is still practically the only game in Square Enix's catalogue that they have not released any sales numbers for. They keep releasing numbers for just about anything else, even updating numbers on older titles, but they are still radio silent about Rebirth's sales for some reason. By all third party accounts, it sold worse than XVI somehow, despite having the Final Fantasy VII name attached to it as well as having over twice the budget that XVI had.
https://x.com/SmuggestSage/status/2046271399388393798?s=20Kate won, chuds lost.
>>737317469NO why do people keep fucking memeing this
>>737321419>I don't think it's any deeper than their main data acquisition method becoming unreliableWell... check this out:This graph (>>737320298) ends at 400kThis graph (>>737307035) ends at 450kWhat even is the purpose of making the graph taller, besides causing the bars to appear smaller?
>>737320802Honestly speaking, you'd expect the drop to be worse considering the situation>WoW no longer shit enough for even WoW players to leave it behind>covid over for years now>lodestones, which LB uses for data, privated by default now>DT actually widely maligned in big part due to its early failures to keep people interested
>>737312440>marche was rightWhat does a cripplechan avatarfag have to do with FFXIV?
>>737321580>nooo i want to stay subbed forever to keep my house i visit once per monthApartments are a way better system
>>737321536is the person athena?
>>737320298Is there data for the # of players that privated their profile?
>Fanfest is only four days from nowShit, I didn't even realize it was that close.
I login, run Trial/Normal Roulette on a caster DPS, run Frontline Roulette on SCH, queue up as either caster/healer in Alliance Roulette and leave+close the game if I get Crystal Tower raids.There aren’t any Extremes I need, I’ve never cared much for Savage/Ultimate, Unreal doesn’t seem to have any interesting rewards. I finished all the PvP stuff I wanted to do. And even if I did do Savage, I have extremely low chance of getting the gear loot because gearing the healer is considered the “worse decision” for the team.Healing in Expert, Leveling, High Level is a snooze fest. I will never fucking touch MSQ Roulette, if I have to do the same fucking thing again for 30 minutes. Bored of Southern Horn, the M9-12 normal raids. Merchant’s Tale is pretty boring and got all I needed from it. Deep Dungeon is such a boring slog to heal through and healers aren’t given enough tools to make it engaging.There’s literally nothing else interesting for me to do other than 3-4 roulettes each night as a healer main, and I’ve been dipping into BLM a lot.Also, being randomly paired with a shield spammy SGE means one of my favorite tactics at the iconic moment can’t be used because they don’t understand how the game works.
>>737321678The hail will hit you in the face with the force of the furious pyre
Lets hope SE is aware of what Dawntrail made and she is the writer for the next expansion
>>737321672You'll have to ask the people who post these things. I just read whatever is posted here. If LuckyBancho has a running count of privated Lodestones, it hasn't been posted to 4chan.
>>737321536Neat, no wonder the sudden flood of butthurt
>>737321489I think it's still the second or third biggest MMO around.And for me, honestly, the gloom hasn't really affected my experiences ever since I shut it out. I've played, engaged with and enjoyed the new content as always. And much as I hate to say it, it's felt like far less of a slog than EW was when that was current.
Even if they get the story right, there is a lot of people who were burned by 7.0 and think of the idea of returning being too "hard". It is extremely hard to get players back once they quit. What needs to be done right is the marketing, because you have to get back those player in the sphere of influence. Right now there are bunch of people who quit, who is literally unaware of what ff14 is doing or what patch it is on. Marketing should be the top priority, but they should avoid another Dawntrail situation where people felt somewhat scammed by the somewhat false advertisement (*cough* vacation expansion *cough*).For the trailer to be hype, it should have good fight choreograph like shadowbringer did, because even if you didn't know ff14, it look cool as fucking hell.Anyway even if they do everything right, I don't see the player numbers being higher than Dawntrail release because future expansion always get fucked over by how the last one was received.
>>737321678You really can tell based on the XIV shitposting on 4chan when things are "imminent" for XIV.
>>737321749I would rather she not be elevated into a Chris Metzen-like permanent role
>>737321678LL and FanFest being so close feels crazy (even though LL part 2 is often at FanFest, having them spread out yet close feels like a lot more)
>game is dying>fanfest is still at full capacitynah
>>737321749Hell yeah, I can't fucking wait for more ancient memberberries and fujo subplots
>>737321536how the hell does this mean kate won?a company defending their employees from doxing, harassment, death threats, etc. is normal. kate isn't even mentioned
>>737321726>Unreal doesn’t seem to have any interesting rewardsYou do it just to do it, anon. It takes like 30 minutes and you get something you can sell for ~10m gil every once in a while. >even if I did do Savage, I have extremely low chance of getting the gear loot because gearing the healer is considered the “worse decision” for the team.We're very late in the tier. You just join a PF that isn't [Duty Complete] and you roll on the gear that drops.
>>737321904Ha I love Mr Plinkett too, he is very funny right? XD
>>737321930Kate has a bizarre hate cult that thinks normal employee protection is protection for her only and specifically
>>737321930It's about some schizo jap getting taken down, it has nothing to do with her.
ppm raising post
>>737322013The guy in that tweet seems pro-Kate.So it looks like both sides of this argument are completely retarded boomerbrains.>>737322047Was this about that one site that got taken down because of doxing and harassment?
>>737321749EW writing was dogshit, SHB was good but not "life-altering" like everyone claims. Severely overrated writer who flounders outside of side quests.
>>737322134No, that was a separate issue, this one was specifically about video content.
>>737321887I've said it before, but the weird part to me of the "dying" narrative is that Dawntrail has generally had higher playercount than Shadowbringers did, and my own server has more and more players every time I resub, to the point that now in the Gold Saucer and places like Limsa, the game doesn't even load all the people anymore, they pop in and out. My server didn't used to be like this at the beginning of Dawntrail.
>>737322240Oh, but the same kinda content?Does anyone have any screencaps from the video, or anything to go off? What did the video owner do?
>>737321749There's barely any XI homework left for her to copy at this point. You should be respecting some actual kuhweens.
>>737321887You gotta start worrying when there's more scalpers than legitimate event goers and still the tickets didn't sell out.
>Yoshit himself says they rushed out glam update because of how poorly the game was doing>CEO himself says profits dropped 50%>Culty still coping and sneething over luckybancho with his schizo headcanons
>Heavensward>Stormblood>Shadowbringers>Endwalker>Dawntrail>Pyrehail
>>737321887XIV fans famously do not play the game, all they want to do is find ways to relive SHB covid-era. They're the definition of using the game as a middle-man to get into the community, majority think it's Persona but it's actually XIV that does it the most.
hopes for 8.0 job changes?
>>737322352>more scalpers than legitimate event goersEven if this is true, that's just everything in modern times. Remember the PS5? There were unsold, scalped PS5s just rotting in warehouses when the PS5 actually became available to normal people. And just recently, some scalper reselling somehow botted and was awarded over 60k MapleStory Classic beta accounts to sell.
>>737321772I agree that the core issues stem from the actual gameplay of ffxiv and its endgame loop is what's going to bleed players long term.But a well-liked story covers up those issues. Endwalker is what I'd point to as the clearest example. On a gameplay loop level, Dawntrail is the exact same as Endwalker, yet most people will look back to it with rose tinted glasses.If the job changes are as extensive as people are hoping for, I think pulling back at least some of the players that quit is very possible. A lot will be riding on how the job changes are presented imo. For the cinematic trailers, I think this is a very subjective thing. I think the combat in the DT one is cooler than EW's. What made the ShB trailer so good to me was the Minfilia namedrop. Its hype as hell to make players wonder and theorize about the story and naturally generates buzz since it references such an old story point.
>>737322435Funny cause Persona and XIV are both visual graphic novels that occasionally get interrupted with dungeons.
>>737322229typical /v/ Contrarian take ZZzzzz
>>737322435It is definitely true that most discourse surrounding XIV on /v/ is carried out by people who don't play XIV.
should I pay to watch the piano/primals concert this weekend? Is it worth it?
>>737307035YoshiP should sue this Bancho fella
>>737322598Do you *want* to watch the piano/primals concert this weekend?
>>737322598yea
>>737321536>How to nuke your good will and friendly reputation in one easy step
I'm not sure why people that are completely clueless are just making stuff up in these responses, if you have no idea then just don't comment. The latest bar's player type distribution is always incomplete. If you look at past lucky bancho reports you can see that the bar wildly varies but is always complete by the time of the next report.https://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/archives/59557204.htmlhttps://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/archives/59706955.html
>>737322674based Square Enix destroying actual schizos t b h.
>>737322598>is watching *thing* in *date* worth itDonate all your money to Israel
>>737322480I don't know if I'm qualified to give my opinion on this, since I'm not actually that against the gameplay loop as it stands. There are some things I think could be better, but overall I'm more glad with a lot of things than I am against it.I think I mostly just wanna get rid of a lot of the group buffs and the whole mechanism of combinging them together.
>>737307465I dont want Yoshida deciding for himself. Hes an old boomer with MMO concepts stuck in the past. It was his personal preferences on glamour that had us unable to use other job gear until just recently. And it was the flip of a switch. His views are archaic.
>>737322598no retard, just wait for someone to upload it to youtube
>>737322734>based Square Enix destroying actual schizos t b h. >t.
>>737322598>should I pay to watch the piano/primals concert this weekend? Is it worth it?How in the fuck do people like you survive in the world?
>>737322716LB has lots of shrieking and shitting about whether it's trustworthy or not associated with people that go out of their way to misinterpret its data or lose all interest in it when it doesn't show a downwards trend
>>737322734Watching Twitter retards eat themselves alive because there's a very real chance they'll get court ordered to stop if they get too unhinged is funny
>>737322716>it's true, but honestly, i don't get why people are even arguing over it anymore
Its so easy to fix too.>Edgy, grimdark MSQ filled with drama and action>Never sideline the protagonist again; yes, this is normal in like 99% of media>Cross DC regional PF+DF>Revamp fates to always be worth doing, get people out into the game world>Give casual players more long term goals using tomestones>Actually update the gold saucer instead of adding one jumping puzzle every 2-3 years>Make jobs feel a bit more unique, give access to more skills at lower levels
>>737323024What is this world coming to when I can't even dox, harass and threaten developers because they made me mad when a 40 dollar product that didn't come out the way I wanted it to!? Big brother is taking over!
That is one of FFXIV's pain points, as ARR was developed with ideas of what an MMO should be in the 2010s. They have done some to alleviate the issues such as introduction to flying, dungeon and instance revamps (i.e West wind, Castrum, Praetorium, the Ultima Weapon fight, Lahabrea), QoL, and cutting down on the infamous filler quests. The free trial is set up to prevent botting and is quite generous. However, FFXIV has shifted into island sof content where things are very single player based (as an effort to get other single players to play FFXIV and then vice versa) then opens up to be more multiplayer which has its pros and cons.However, MMOs are more or less dying as the interests of the population shifted. It is partially why Yoshi P talks about single player experience and gacha/mobile games as those are the big hits in Asia. Even WoW has numbers down even if faith in the franchise has mostly recovered. There is a reason why many MMOs that survive more than five years tend to be smaller in scope or are ones made back 10-15 years ago.
>>737323084>Actually update the gold saucer instead of adding one jumping puzzle every 2-3 yearsThey did say they have some sorta multiplayer Gold Saucer content planned for 7.5x that they'd go into at FanFest.Whether it's a nothingburger or not, idk of course.
>>737323089It's an infringement of my rights to force me to stop being a degenerate chimp
Does anyone think the game would be improved if regular quests gave more experience, at least increased to the point that it would be only slightly worse than roulette without the daily bonus?
>WAAAH THEY NEED TO MAKE JOBS DOGSHIT AND CLUNKY AGAIN
>>737323196Square is censoring ALL critique of Yawnfail they're basically trying to create a police state.Also look at how even Japan shits on Acktrail and Wuk Lamutt look at these 5ch posts all shitting on Yoshitpiss
>>737322734Based we love when corporations sue people for incorrect opinions here on 4chan!
>>737321654Probably one of his boyslaves falseflagging
>>737323089I know Anon it's so prolific among the community that not a single example has ever been posted ever.
>>737323307Personally I just kinda wanna be rid of group buff synchronized swimming.Lemme do my own thing.
>>737323404Reaper being described as a selfish DPS and then having a party buff was baffling
>>737323395Japanese chuds were literally plotting to rape and kill Yoshida's wife in the comments section but if you post the archive of that site and ask me where it happened I'll pretend I don't see the link.
>>737323493That IS pretty funny.I feel like a lot more jobs could be selfish. Is it really so iconic for a Reaper to buff their entire group? A Dragoon?
>>737323517What did you just threaten to do to me? What in the fuck are you insane? Fuck off you weirdo don't ever reply to me again or post a (You) at my I'm literally in threat of my life because of you.
>>737323395>>737323517Yeah it's kind of like when paranoid schizos insist that Square is silencing ALL dissent no matter how minor and harmless and totally constructive yet can't find a single example of such a thing happening and will change on a whim to gloat about how much even the Japanese shit on Dawntrail. :D
>>737323493And a group heal
>>737323531Dragoon sort-of has the precedent of Freya for party support but she's some odd halfway between Dragoon and Red Mage in practice. Reaper meanwhile is a new job if you ignore Kingdom Hearts and Marluxia that it's probably based on, and Marluxia's calling cards are being a fast and heavy attacker with a demon companion and casting Doom
>>737323150MMOs are only for uncs nowadays
>>737323651There's literally an example if you scroll up in the thread. It's what this reply chain is about.>UHMMM BUT THEY DIDN'T LITERALLY SILENCE THE ENTIRE INTERNET SO...!
You can't fix the story now because the story already ended, The majority of FF spin off sequels sucks, that's why JRPGs are usally one and done.
This thread really picked up steam
I've already reported this thread to the authorities at Square Enix HQ, count your days, chuds.I'll look for your mugshot in the news.
>>737323709Oh look, he's doing a circular argument.Embarrassing.
On a scale of 1 to 10 (1 being Wuk Lamat and 10 being Sphene) how likely is Pyrehail to be the real title?(your answer has to be a greentext in the form of a rhyme, poem or song lyric in order to be valid)
>>737323737Court order of "shut the fuck up" from Square Enix arrived and our lord and savior Pirat_Nation isn't negative to it, must run defense
>>737323764I don't think you know what a circular argument is.
>>737323756NOOOOOO OUR LIVES ARE OVER NEUROTICS ON 4CHAN AND AUTISTIC BOOMER CRUSADERS ON TWITTER INSIST THAT OUR SMIDGE OF CRITIQUE OF DAWNTRAIL WILL LAND US IN PRISON WITH THE DEATH PENALTYHAVE MERCY
>>737323651>yet can't find a single example of such a thing happeningHere >>737321536
>>737323713>the story already endedI must've missed that. What ended up happening with the interdimensional key? What about Calyx and Halmarut and their mysterious Winterers?
>>737323737I linked it to all my 'cord sisters. You chuds are donezo.
>>737323676Yeah, I'm just saying REEEEEEE get the fucking group buffs out of my Dragoon I just want to jump and throw draconic attacks at enemy, not suck my party's dick for a morale buff.
>>737323651>t.
Only 4 more days
>>737323770>whoever made that up is having a snigger>if you believe in it>you are a retarded nigger
>>737323493a party buff that's not even long enough for its' own ~30 second burst window as well
>>737323976Is it gonna be poggers or bussin?
>>737323770I'd say 1.Nobody dug up Endwalker or Dawntrail.>(your answer has to be a-Nvm.
>>737322470cap off jobs at 100 and tier them up into T3/Master Jobs with Master LevelsDo all the game sweeping mechanical changes within Master Jobs kits, disabled when you sync back down to 100 or lower and tier down so they dont need to retune the entire game again and can do interesting shit in the new stuff only.
>>737324034Pogchamp
>>737324003jej
>>737323770There hasnt been a leak since Blufever. Leaks dont just vaguely get posted on 4chan. They are usually accompanied with some measure of proof like leaked files, textures, tooltips, etc.
>>737318251Crafters eating surprisingly good this expac.
Its so easy to knock it out of the park. Just take the Dawntrail MSQ and do literally the opposite of it in every way.
>>737324034they'll talk about a lot of things they plan to do, but won't show a lot of it, probably
>>737324176And all of it will come in three years with patch 8.4 (BST update will be dropped).
>>737307035How did Endwalker pull so many people? It was mid compared to Shadowbringers. Was it the Viera male release?
>>737324176I would actually prefer the NA fanfest be more about improved mechanics, systems and infrastructure rather than the meat of the expansion itself. I dont need to see the zones, jobs and characters yet but I want to see if they have fixed long term structural issues like PF.
>>737324293Nah, they'll show more during EU and JP FanFests, but NA is just generally very devoid of details and gameplay.I would never go to NA FanFest if I could. I like the info we get, but there's not a lot of substance to it.
>>737324152I'm reminded a lot of Shadowbringers where crafters and gatherers got improvements and raiders bitched incessantly that they weren't getting focus
>>737324391What should be a worrying fact about this is the lack of blue, which means new players. Anyway kinda weird how much free login campaign + a new raid did for player numbers. I doubt we will see a increase like that until 8.0. I'm one of the few people who already knows that 8.0 will do worse because of base Dawntrail. We are back to pre-level shadowbringer and above stormblood population, if I read the bar correctly (second to last).
>>737324395>but I want to see if they have fixed long term structural issues like PF.Maybe? It's possible.
>>737324478Blue gauge took a nosedive the instant Lodestone was changed to private new accounts automatically, it basically erased that data-point
>>737324091Forspoken was leaked months before reveal... except it turned out being a different S.E. game
Select your response:Happy that numbers are down: Told you so! Square enix should listen to my comprehensive plan about how to bring the game back This is all Wuk Lamat's fault! This is because they didn't make more of <your favourite content here> healer strike working as plannedSad that numbers are down: omg you are all so miserable just play another game the most annoying person you know is happy about this this is good actually these statistics are misleadinglemme know if I missed one
>>737324539Why lie when anyone can scroll up?
>>737324152>>737324470I think Cosmic Exploration is completely serviceable and gatherer/crafter content deserves to exist.But it has so little inherent variety that I feel like... maybe it didn't need 4 whole zones dedicated to it.
>>737324629Square enix should listen to my comprehensive plan about how to bring the game back
>>737324643What is the lie supposed to be, onii-chan
>>737324391Chinese coof and WFH was still a major thing in 2021. Same reason SHB really popped off in mid 2020. The only time XIV grew completely of its own merit was SB, everything else was third-party reasons not related to XIV or SE such as covid lockdowns, WFH, WoW players deciding to migrate to XIV, etc.
>>737324486I do not trust a single thing he has to say when it comes to networking in this game.Server transfers are still fucked, people still have to use NoClippy/Alexander to raid and whenever they have to mess with packet deliveries like they did on TOP launch it just ends up making things worse.Whatever their solution is going to be, if it exists, it's probably going to be another mess in itself.
>>737324781>I do not trust a single thing he has to say when it comes to networking in this game.That's fine. I'm just the messenger.
>>737324731There's still blue and it's only a slight decline from the change you're claiming eliminated that data point. You're lying.
>>737324865>already miniscule blue bar goes down by over half, keeps sinking>"slight decline"It's a shitty bar graph in the first place on top of not being reflective of the actual pop count
>>737323770>SpheneBy the way, between the OG Sphene, Endless Sphene and Simulant Sphene, I lost track of whether the Simulant Sphene is still "alive"? Is she still around? Obviously OG Sphene is there but last we saw the Simulant was with Calyx right? But he is with Halmarut now and Simulant Sphene nowhere to be seen.
>>737324615Anon it wasnt leaked. They registered the IP.
Should I sell my metallic cosmic exploration dyes, or wait until patch?
>>737324629>Square enix should listen to my comprehensive plan about how to bring the game backThis one is me
Bump.
>>737324969They're probably not going to be impacted all that much since they'll remain standalone dyes iirc
>>737324478The graph is kind of dumb because there is a complete lack of blue on every graph, so red is the best indicator of "new players who stayed and returning players" as opposed to just returning. But yes you're right, there was a massive loss of players overall, DT somehow took a nosedive in quality, and their desperate attempts to bring it back were not engaging enough.Also maybe I interpreted the graph wrong, looks like end of Shadowbringers had the most players and became the starting point for Endwalker.
>>737324957she peaced out
>>737325001They should have listened to my feedback 4 years ago tbqhwyIt's too late now
>>737325015Metallic Ruby Red is generally worth the most and Metallic Cobalt Green the least, I think.After 7.5 they'll be consolidated, so I wonder if the avg value will go up a bit from the lower prices metallic dyes but down from the peaks of Metallic Ruby Red.Or if the overall value will depreciate.
Listen all im saying is you give me 10 minutes with Yoshida and a translator and ill bring about the golden age of XIV
>>737324768There was far more hype for Shadowbringers than there was for Endwalker or Stormblood. Post-MSQ StB was peak cinema leading into ShB. People stayed for ShB 2.0 in EW. DT just pissed people off.
>>737325221Every MMO is filled with countless idea guys and developers are fully aware of their myriad ideas
>>737325140It will start high on patch day and gradually drop fairly low, then stabilize a bit lower than the current price for the most expensive ones. Once the new area comes out in 7.55 the bottom will fall out since everyone will only be getting the best color.
except the changes they make aren't going to be what the people on reddit want them to be. jobless mono-gamers are going extinct and nobody is catering to them anymore. the game will never be some super grindy high barrier to entry game that caters to neet gatekeepers that the MMOs of 2000-2010s used to be.yoshi-p has already hinted at the idea that the model is going to change to cater to how gamers of today play a bunch of different games like mobile games and gachas. we'll see at NA fanfest what that means for FFXIV.but there will much more focus towards new players and casuals than to the redditors who only care about endgame.
>>737325221N I G H T M A R E
>>737325326>yoshi-p has already hinted at the idea that the model is going to change to cater to how gamers of today play a bunch of different games like mobile games and gachas.that sounds horrible
>>737325326>but there will much more focus towards new players and casualsHe's been saying that for nearly a decade but then doing the exact opposite.
>>737322480I'm not looking at Endwalker with rose-tinted glasses at all. It was the beginning of the end. Those job changes were Shadowbringers, but worse.
>>737325279The only good idea is a Garlemald expansion, which yoshiPiss spitefully keeps trying to tear from us, down to killing most of them.
I miss when the patch content wasn't so staggered.Waiting months for a patch to come out just to then hear the thing you're most interested in is another two months away is so depressing. I'd rather they bulk the patches up and let me pingpong between stuff while I focus on the thing I like.
This is the big thing for me, but I'm not holding my breath. One thing is they've been VERY consistent with their schedule since EW launch and the trend is only longer not shorter.Since EW, basically every patch has been 133 days (with the .0 patches taking longer). 19 weeks per patch cycle. The .5 patches are almost 75% longer with EW/DT being 34/39 weeks respectively.9.5 months between savage tiers has turned me from going back to "play expansion launch and then play again in the .5 patch or just before the next expansion comes out" cycle.
>>737324950The bar was not always miniscule. It does fall off, but not where you claim it does. If the change did what you're claiming it did then you would expect to see a significant dropoff there. As a matter of fact, you claimed it deleted the data point. We can see that it didn't. We can see that you're not only wrong, but you're wrong on purpose. We call that lying. The only question is why you're lying.
>>737325587Advice: do not claim absolutes in regard to a post that said it "basically" deleted a data-point, Autisticus Maximus. Also quit getting mad that you aren't being agreed with hard enough.
>>737325326huh? FFXIV isn't a grindy game for casual players, in this expansion I only subbed for the first two months and everytime there was a free loging I didn't have problems getting my gear ready for the msq-dungeon-trial-raids
>>737325537I have a friend who's been doing that since ShB, logs in on the expansion launch to play the previous .1-.5, hit all the content, then do the new .0 story and disappears for two years until the next one.
>>737315685Except the second half fails to present any sort of nuance or depth or conflict beyond “you bad guy, I kill you”, and the artificial copies don’t exactly give a shit either beyond Sphene. There’s no exploration of what it means to be human or alive, just hamfisted “this isn’t natural, please die for Wuk Lamat”It’s all basically window dressing and has about as much depth as drop of water in the desert. I saw where the signs were pointing got hopeful they’d explore and expand on those elements and got nothing.
>>737315432>"Hurr why is the story tailored to work best in the medium it was designed for?"
>>737325702It didn't actually affect the data point at all. You're lying and you know you're lying and you're continuing to lie. Why?
>>737325784>lodestone changes didn't affect the data point at allthat's not possible. as in it is not actually possible for automatic lodestone privatization to not impact the tally of new players summarized from lodestone data.
That is unlikely you have to remember the compounding issues that FFXIV faced durign the pandemic and it didn't get as addressed as they would like. There is the triangle, it is budget, manpower, or time. It is nearly impossible to have the right balance of all three and they were facing budget and manpower issues for various reasons, justified, excusable, understandable, or not. Being a project manager Yoshi P had to access what had to give and what he, his team, and his bosses settled on was time. If he couldn't secure the budget or get enough manpower to do everything the team wants to accomplish with FFXIV they needed more time. The problem is that they cannot get a buckle down on those issues, the budget is determined by the executives and budgeting team over at Square Enix and manpower issues is an industry problem over at Japan and Square Enix.Unfortunately, for DT they hit a content scope creep HARD because they had to address the issues of EW and early DT which was lack of content but without the proper manpower they had to stall for time, along with the fact they went for the graphical update (which is significant work and looks pretty good), trying to shoehorn everything ever done in the game and then some, with the untangling of the technical debt they accrued for over a decade, and the fact that about half of the management team was promoted to supervisory positions or made lateral transfers within Square Enix, it is a miracle DT shipped as it did.Ultimately, the players can decide if the changes and decision that led to DT were good or not. I think it is very mixed, there were some improvements and that they are chipping away at old issues, but too much changed and not enough changed simultaneously which led to many problems.
>>737315685The "tonal shift" not only still heavily includes Wuk Lamat, but most of it is empty fanservice. It reeks of desperation to "get players back" but it really isn't interesting enough to be worth coming back for a grind. You can just play all of it for glamors once 8.0 releases. (I will be skipping all of it).
>>737325887I've been pretty happy with the changes and improvements they made across the expansion. We got quite a lot of long-standing asks.
>>737325879>that's not possibleThe graph is there. The only decline is in line with previous declines. It's a gentle slope, compared to the sharp dropoff of established players you can see at the same point. There is no notable change.
You did do the 7.1 Hall of Novice update to get the syncing +30% EXP ring for BST, yeah?
210000 returnees that came with 7.4 left. 60k came back later.From Bancho: "Looking at the breakdown, it seems that while the number of continuing players was maintained, 210,000 who returned last time have taken a break, and another 60,000 returned later, resulting in a net decrease of 150,000 (strictly speaking, not all of those who returned last time have taken a break, and some of those who were continuing have also taken a break, so this is just a rough estimate of the scale). There was hope that the number of returning players from last time would contribute to retaining the core group of continuing players, but it seems that this did not result in an overall increase. "tldr: People played the content of the patch and then left while the overall historical loss number of regular players didn't see an increase. conclusion -> numbers are stabilizing instead of bleeding players like it used to. Game has issues attracting new players. Regardless of that we shouldn't be too happy. We want numbers to go up and not stabilize. Let's hope they have something good for fan fest that brings old players back and attracts new players.Also the graph is more about pace than actual player numbers.
>>737325964>Regardless of that we shouldn't be too happy. We want numbers to go up and not stabilize.LINE MUST GO UP. IT WAS PROMISED TO ME 3000 YEARS AGO.
>>737325954that isn't a gentle slope after lodestone privating was introduced and you've jumped the shark claiming an impossibility happened
>>737326032>that isn't a gentle slope after lodestone privating was introducedI zoomed in on the relevant data points and you're still trying to lie about it. Why? Could you explain why you're so intent on lying about it?
>>737325960I did yeah. It's a pretty nice and convenient ring.
Thread sufficiently rapedAnd nobody noticed
>>737326105>>737316578Probably a mod shitposting without capcodeThis guy getting deleted or banned has no purpose otherwise, and mods are huge WoWtards
>>737325964Frankly, I think the fact that from the outside looking in, the community seems to insist the game is gonna die any time doesn't help in accruing new players.I see a bunch of places where people ask "I've been interested in starting the game, but it is true that it's dying? I don't want to get invested in something knowing it's going to die before I even catch up."
I hope we see some more zones and gear updated in 8.0. I really like the gear they did update, but they're pretty slow about it and I feel like 7.4 didn't even really update any gear at all?
bump bruhhh
>>737326098Agent of Trials is wife
>>737326521I never thought about it, but>FemezenApproved.
>xi/v/ white knights when you ask them to prove they play the game
>>737325904The plot for the entire expansion is written before the .0 patch even launches. You cant just entirely write out a main character because people complained about them early on.
>>737315685i miss my relatively grounded political fantasy. this weird sci fi shit + everyone running around in modern streetwear is so unappealing that even if the sci fi story was great I wouldn't come back for itAllagans were very different in that they were a highly advanced magitech society with a fairly fantasy-ish aesthetic, and they admittedly had been soaring a little too close to the sun for years, but Solution 9 feels like it's from another game entirely. Slop
>>737326648Actually, it's more like this, anon
>>7373266611.0's final remaining fan
>>737326780>endbryos think everything before emet is 1.0Sad stuff.
>>737326661I'm sure they haven't done sci-fi for the last time, but S9 will probably not be a focus anymore, and maybe hardly even present for a while.
>>737326818"Grounded political fantasy"
>>737326840You forgot a word there. And yeah, that's what ARR-SB was.
YOU FUCKERS LIED TO ME YOU SAID ATHENA/ LANSELOT WAS TARGETTED BY SE AND SUED BUT HIS CHANNEL IS STILL UP AND STILL CAUSING SE TO SEETHE YOU FUCKERS LIED I HATE YOU ALL1
Come to think of it, if Heavensward came out this year or next year, it'd be trashed for being woke and leftist for making the church out to be bad.
>>737326648Calm down retard
>>737326882That guy is just some unhinged schizo. I doubt he's doxed or threatened anyone, so I doubt they'll do anything to him.
>>737326758I miss her
>>737325279except the director himself apparently which has to beg players for ideas >>737307465
>>737326875No>stop a Garlean puppeted by a shadow wizard from nuking Eorzea>stop the Pope from eating three minor gods on a scifi floating continent so he can't ascend into a super-primal>save a desert shithole from itself and from a super-dragon summoned last expacGrounded the same way a male-to-male outlet plug is
>>737327023>it's not political because there's magic
>>737326982Yeah. Her lips were great.What a waste.
>>737327023>manage a refugee crisis while under threat of invasion>go on a diplomatic mission to stop a blood feud and discuss class division>explore the consequences of imperial rule on various demographcis
>>737326983He gives people the false sense of input. Your feedback messages sent ingame are automatically deleted. He almost never goes what players want, and when he rarely finally does its 5 years later and after half the player base quits.
I knew SE was still based when they made Vamp Fatale and had her song have clear sexual entendres.Not a hint of hesitation.
>>737327023Most of that is pretty grounded. Its all about scale.
>>737327216Vamp Fatale and the Story-spinner set came after they purged John Heinecke and his cronies (including Kate). But don't worry, blackrock is working hard to get their claws back in through that Singaporean firm.
>>737327273>Story-spinner setI was flabbergasted to see people bitch online about that set>urgh it's fetishization of middle eastern culture bla bla representation bla bla bigots racism
>>737326882Well yea he isn’t doxxing yet, I legitimately never heard of him until just now
