Koei Tecmo is thriving, mostly because Pokemon Pokopia and Nioh 3 have been unexpectedly super successful releases.>Koei Tecmo, the company behind the stellar Nioh 3 and Nintendo Switch 2 hit Pokémon Pokopia, has revised its earnings forecast after a very good fiscal quarter.>This rise in forecast has been attributed by Koei Tecmo to the overperformance of recent releases. Net sales, operating profits and net profits are expected to increase.>This comes after Koei Tecmo previously emphasised that no forecast was expected, as can be found in a prior earnings document found on its official website. As such, it looks like recent releases have performed very well indeed.>Pokémon Pokopia very quickly became one of the biggest Pokemon spinoffs of all time, causing a surge in Nintendo's share value. It won over the hearts of many a Pokemon fan, including Eurogamer's reviewer Lottie Lynn.>Nioh 3 also proved another big hit this year. Not only did it break series sales records, it garnered acclaim from critics and the public alike. Dom Peppiat described it as "a new high for Team Ninja" in Eurogamer's Nioh 3 review, with other outlets sharing the sentiment.>So good news for Koei Tecmo! The company has recently released the Fatal Frame 2: Crimson Butterfly remake, and is set to launch Dead or Alive 6 Last Round. So maybe this upward momentum will continue into the next fiscal year!https://www.eurogamer.net/pokemon-pokopia-nioh-3-performed-so-well-koei-techmo-revised-earnings-forecast
>>737308625I knew the Fatal Frame 2 remake bombed
what are some other non-mainline Pokemon games that have been this successful besides Smash?
>>737308801The Mystery Dungeon games sold pretty well. Enough to shit out numerous sequels, at least.
>>737308718But it didn’t
>>737308929Yes it did; otherwise they would have announced how well it sold
>>737308625Pokepia is made by Tecmo?
>>737308718Of course it did, it was censored as fuck and runs at 30 fps in the PS5Pro
>>737308625Ah good for them
>>737309273Yeah, it's just DQB2 with the combat renoved and a Pokemon skin
>>737308625Great, now start working on Pokémon conquest 2.
nioh 3 attracted the open world lovers. doesn't surprise me it sold above expectations
>>737308625This is most [Excellent News]! Going to buy a 4chan pass to joybait en masse, cheers.
>>737308801>what are some other non-mainline Pokemon games that have been this successfulGO
>>737308625>Good games that are fun focused are goodWow. What a shock.
>>737309447That's news to me. I find it weird how they seem buddy-buddy with Nintendo and yet never port their flagship games on the platform. They have no excuse now that the Switch 2 is more than capable of running Soulslike shit like Nioh 3, especially since the Elden Ring port is coming soon.
does this solidify the fact Pokémon is basically like a cheat code for money, cause if this was just dqb3 it wouldn't have made its sales quota like this.
>>737308625i still cant believe they charged so much for pokopia i would have bought it but its costs twice the amount of money as legends za which is a proper game not a farming minigame
>>737309482I wish conquest was its own thing never liked the idea of it being a crossover
>>737308801All the mobile games If we only count console… Mystery Dungeon?
Nioh 3 cane out? What?
>>737309859>legends ZA proper >farming minigame is this man retarded did he even bother at least watch a little bit of gameplay for pokopia, it's more of an animal crossing simulator with somewhat advanced world sculpting
>>737308625>It won over the hearts of many a Pokemon fan, including Eurogamer's reviewer Lottie Lynn.damn it must be THAT good huh?
>>737308625I'm glad
>>737309995>t's more of an animal crossing simulator with somewhat advanced world sculptingyes a farming minigame
>>737308625So which dying video game developer would you choose to make a Pokémon game, /v/?
>Have a franchise that can print infinite money>Until now refuse to make anything but absolute dogshit games with itWhy are they like this
>>737308718Good, don't censor your game next time.
>>737310089when has animal crossing ever been a farming minigame? besides tree and some fruit, it's more of a city management game stupid.
>>737309693Except that's false for those two games >People would pay $70 for cow feces inside a box as long as said box has the Pokemon logo>Normalfags are addicted to open world games so they will buy anything open world regardless of quality. Both games sold due to audiences being shit eaters, not due to those games being genuinely good.
>>737310157Square Enix
>>737310157Toylogic studio's the one that made happy wars.
>>737310184Because it already prints infinite money without needing to put effort into the games themselves.If they customers don't want better product, then why would you bother?
>>737308625>Convince Nintendo to let you do a Pokemon spin off>It_prints_money.gifSo that’s the key of success, I wonder why not many devs have tried it
>>737308625What does /v/ think of this slut?
>>737309792Probably it's due to having to compete against Zelda and the rest of Nintendo's first party catalog. It's not a fight any other game can win. The Elden Ring port will bomb for this very reason.
>>737310393It amazes me how many people forgot that Pokken wasn't that much of a success. Pokepia succeeded because casuals are hungry for minecraft clones and the Pokemon name is just perfect for selling it. The game was also good as streaming material.
>>737310696By your logic, none of the third party games would have any value in the library but the Wii U proved that a console can't survive on first party games alone.
>>737310845The WiiU had a weak first party library. Meanwhile Breath of the Wild made Elden Ring redundant and the only reason Nintendo fans want it is to shit on Sony and PC players ("WE GET ALL YOUR GAMES, YOU AREN'T WORTH SHIT"). Something seminiche as the Nioh series isn't good enough to compete against even the weakest first party Nintendo game and isn't famous enough to serve as console war ammo so it has no reason to be ported there.
>>737308625But.../v/ steam charts threads told me nioh 3 was a bomb
>>737310074Hopefully this means more Ninja Gaiden in our lifetime..I'm gonna be hopeful, NG4 was literally the best game of the past 10 or so years
>>737311129Mario Kart, Splatoon and Super Smash Bros. aren't what I'd call a weak first party library. Nintendo weren't trying jack shit when third parties jumped ship after seeing the Wii U wasn't worth investing in ports, which eventually led the console to be doomed. This is why you see so many weird ports on the Switch to make up for that Wii U mistake and they paid off.If your logic were correct, then none of the third party games on Nintendo consoles would sell at all which contradicts the fact that they do, especially if they're well-known IPs.
>>737311730RE Revelations also sold 1.6M copies in the switch
>>737308625Ninja Gaiden 4 flopped that hard huh. Team Ninja can just say Platinum was in charge of everything to truly give up on Ninja Gaiden like the cowards they are, so they can focus on Nioh henceforward to say they are only making hit after hit.
>>737311730Yeah but now you have splatoon 4k upscaling and MKW is better than 8
You guys told me nioh 3 flopped and shitted.
>>737310074>>737311672Ninja Gaiden 4 never had its sales figures revealed by the way.
>>737311523There was a short period of time when PC gaming was actually a good chunk of the playerbase thanks to a combination of streamers drumming up interest in PCs and next gen consoles (PS5/Series) lagging behind, meaning most people could run PC games on older/relatively affordable hardware. Now that games are properly targeting next gen hardware and PC parts are prohibitively expensive, the majority of gamers are back on consoles.
>>737311672Ninja Gaiden 4 was one of the biggest bombs of 2025. That's why KT went full radio silence on it. There will never be another NG game.
>>737311919Microsoft probably blocking that from being revealed.
>>737308625Since when the fuck does Koei make shit like Pokopia? None of their games were ever like that.
>>737308625>Game Freak has had Pokémon game dev monopoly for 30 years>rehash after rehash with little to no improvement other than graphic style>sales aren't growing as expected but aren't dropping either>Pokemon Go is released and is an instant hit causing shares to skyrocket>Game Freak caves in under pressure and starts churning shitty 3D pokemon games which are considered OK at best>Koei Tecmo makes a pokemon spinoff which is an instant hit as wellIs Game Freak holding down the Pokémon IP?
>>737312097AhahahahahahahahahahaThis is beyond regular military-grade copium; this is banned-due-to-its-use-being-a-war-crime military grade copium.
>>737312175Since DQ Builders 1 came out 10 years ago
>>737308625Great. Can we finally get a Kessen IV?
>>737312179Yes and no. They intentionally keep the budget and dev cycles extremely low because fuck you it sells anyway, but that's exactly what keeps Pokémon so popular: there's always a new game. Older IPs can't keep up and only appeal to people that played the originals 20+ years ago, but Pokémon remains relevant with kids to this day. Pokopia wouldn't have been the hit it was without that audience.
>>737312053This. Thats's why Sony decided to abandon PC: it's too small and insignificant now to be worth considering.
>>737312547While that might be true, I don't think it's the games specifically that keep the franchise alive, rather than the show and trading cards.I just talked with a 70 year old grandma that was hunting Pokémon cards for her grandson.She had picked up 200 cards for 50 euros last week and was telling me people need to do their research because she's making a killing.
>>737312813It’s a mix of everything, games are still the primary way to introduce new Pokemon, people get attached to them while playing, they start making content and then people who don’t play the games see the content and are now expecting to see more of them in the anime, cards, plushies, etc.
>>737312813Ironically, the people into the cards are not into the franchise itself. They just see it being popular and turned it into another speculative market for turning a profit. That does result in more money for the Pokémon Company but does little for brand recognition on the whole because those people aren't interacting with the other parts. In fact, scalpers and card flippers make it so actual fans have a significantly harder time getting cards of their own, which might even turn some away from the brand. So no, I don't think the cards selling well contributes to the games selling well.
I only care about how Fatal Frame did. It is the one series that I really do not want to see die.
>>737308801Pokemon Stadium is still the highest selling spinoff. Pokemon Legends and Let's Go Pikachu also did pretty good.
>>737313363It bombed and the framchise died again, maybe for good this time.
>>737312179>Game Freak has had Pokémon game dev monopoly for 30 yearsThere are Pokemon games not made by GF since the very start retard.
>>737313363>Wanting a classic franchise to be raped for modern audiencesSometimes dead is better.
>>737313363Anon, that game ended being SHF levels of slop, which makes their collaboration oddly appropriate. I don't think you want FF going that way down.
>>737311730Switch version have ton of fixes and QOL, pretty much the definitive version.It also topped eshop recently for whatever reason.
>another switch success story while namco continue to be morons
>>737314756Anon, no one gives a shit about Nioh. There is no reason to port those games to the Switch.
>>737313798It's stubbornly stayed alive all this time, I doubt it's going anywhere before Makoto Shibata kicks the bucket.>>737314005It's actually stayed very faithful to its conventions this whole time. Even with all the mistakes 5 made, it's still recognizably a Fatal Frame game.>>7373145782's remake was pretty good on Nightmare difficulty. Bit contrived with all the camera bits and bobs they added, but the first playthrough's a good tutorial all the same.
How long will it take until companies realize that smaller budget games are easier to make and sell better than AAAA games with hyperealistic graphics?
>>737314845Nioh sold enough to get THREE GAMES. Stop being a lying faggot.
>>7373178282 and 3 are just 1's content recycled; they barely count as a single game. They sell for the same reason Fire Emblem sells: Playstation exclusivity means that Sony fanboys will buy them out of reflex, just like Nintendo fanboys buy Fire Emblem even when the games suck dick.
>>737316046>It gets good 40 hours inNo wonder the game bombed. It unironically doesn't respect your time
>>737308718wow, a remake of a niche game didn't sell well? wow!
>>737318571They made a remake of their best-received game because they wanted to stop being niche.It failed so they will bury said niche series again.
>>737309887Then play Nobunaga's Ambition, literally the same game but not a crossover this time.
>>737310157Treasure.
>>737311802Wasn't that the 3DS
>>737317708Because for every 1 game that takes off on a low budget there are 100 that fail, and those failures now lower your perception as a quality game maker. It's a gamble, not a safe option.
>>737318371>40 hoursYou can beat the game in around 10 if you want to. Without sidequesting, it's pretty close to the length of the original. That said, you miss some pretty good shit if you do that. Even then, it's still nowhere near 40 hours. My two playthroughs clocked in at about 35.
>>737318806>>737308718>>737309065>>737309386>>737310192What's with these grummzcel rape victims?FF2 remake sold more in a single month than the last game in its entire shelf life. 50k on Steam means it reached 100k since Steam is always half the sales. For a niche IP low budget that's fine desu.
>>737309792There are multiple JP companies like that. Bandai Namco, Atlus, Konami, etc. I think with Konami, it's just a matter of boomers still seeing Nintendo consoles as kiddy so they'll only port the cartoony stuff. But with all of them I think it's just retardation + lack of skill to optimize their games. Elden Ring is a great example. Rock solid 30 fps on the PS4 Pro, which the Switch 2 is roughly equal to when docked + DLSS, yet these retards still can't get it running well. Why? Like the S2 Sparking Zero port, they're most likely using PS5 settings for it for some fucking reason.
>>737318806>>737308718>>737309065>>737309386>>737310192Highest peak too.
>>737319363>Reddit spacing
>>737318806>>737308718>>737309065>>737309386>>737310192Also higher than KT/TN's other remake.>>737319463Kill yourself.
>>737319363>>7373194314k current players for a new non-indie game are extremely bad. Those two older games are ports so they had pocket change budget and didn't need big numbers to make a profit, while the new game is a proper full game with all the budget it requires. Not the kind of project that can be successful with sub-50k sales.
>>737310057A lot of people never played DQB2 to know what was cut and plus nintendo bonus.To me it feels like Pokopia needs one or two more regions to really be worth it, and the inability to pick things up without storing them is annoying as heck.
maybe they can revive their own series again
>>737319648>50k salesRead the whole post senpai.
>>737319706Did you buy NG4?Will you buy DOA6LR and DOA7?Want good games? Buy them, Chuddah.
>>737319707Steamspy is anything but a reliable source; only a moron would actually trust it.
>>737319880I didn't post Steamspy. You stuck in 2014?
>>737314672>It also topped eshop recently for whatever reason.Capcom sale and people wanted more of Leon after 9>>737319140I’m not sure how much the 3DS version sold but the Switch bundle that includes both Revelations sold close to 2M copies
>>737319783Give me a new Bomb Jack and you'll have more of my money, Koei Tecmo.
>>737319363>Outsold a Wii game that came out in 2008Woah! What a success!!!
>>737311919>>737312056Phil already cashed them out with Goypass bux, it's fine.
>>737308625>anyone other than game freak makes a pokemon game>it surpasses expectationsinteresting...
>>737308625WHERE'S AN AR NOSURGE SUCCESSOR YA FUCKS
>>737319965It's the same shit, doing "estimates". And even then the numbers are extremely bad.
>>737320682In the toilet.
NINJA GAIDEN FAGS CRYING
>>737321472Not really.They hate every videogame not named Ninja Gaiden Black or Ninja Gaiden 2 so 4 being a failure is exactly the outcome they wanted.
>>737320682Gust buried it next to Ar Tonelico and the rest of their pre-Atelier identity.Surge only sells 12 copies to lore autists who want to read a 400 page metaphysics glossary before pressing start. KT looks at those numbers and goes “hmm yes, more Ryza thighs.”Be grateful they remember Nights of Azure existed at all. An ar nosurge successor would drop and you’d still wait for a 70% sale before buying it.
>>737324043bold of you to assume I would buy the game at all
>>737308625I had no idea that Pokopia was made third party, but it makes so much sense. Like, I saw people genuinely saying it was good and figured there was no way GF made it.
i thought omega force worked on pokopia. hopefully we can get them to work on more builders.
>>737320682I'd even be content with a Tonelico trilogy remake. Just remove the fanservice bullshit from 3.
>>737308625Nioh bros... We did it!
>>737321472I'm glad when KT is doing well desu.>>737321693Those are Itagaki cult of personality fans. Not necessarily NG/DOA fans.
>>737310157Ubisoft.
>>737324621
>>737318152>exclusivity...you do know it's on PC, right?
>>737324684KT isn't doing well. Nioh and Pokemon are the ones doing well, which is not the same and a very, very bad thing. Itagaki's cult are the only NG fans. Why do you think 4 bombed?
>>737308625Had no idea Pokopia was developed by them, the haters are going to be mad about Nioh 3 doing well though.
>>737324878>Why do you think 4 bombed?Idiotic wasted marketing. Also times are rough for full priced niche games. Everybody is broke.>Itagaki's cult are the only NG fansThey are annoying and their seethe at Nioh is tiresome. Also they have no leg to stand on when it comes to Sigma 1.
>>737324845Console exclusivity, which is my point. The moment Nioh gets ported to non-Sony consoles Sony fans will stop buying those games while they won't sell on those consoles, which will be a net loss for KT. Nioh is like Bloodborne: a symbol, not a videogame.
>>737319706Should have made a Kasumi NG.
>>737325051>Everybody is brokeThen why Stellar Blade or Pragmata sold so well? Why is the new Mouse gaming becoming the flavor of the month when it has no marketing budget? No one wanted Ninja Gaiden 4. That's why it bombed
>>737325070Most of the people in the Nioh 3 threads were playing on PC, retard
>>737325159People were conflicted seeing her slaughter people in Razor's Edge desu.
Pokopia was really fun until I unlocked Palette TownNow it's kinda boring ngl
>>737308718>censored>missing tons of outfits (even the non coomer ones)>stamina system is annoying as fuck>too much combat, especially on the higher difficulties >changed the combat systems for no reason >forced stealth sections make replays a chore>enemies are tanky, even after the patch Honestly, I got the platinum trophy, but FF2 was disappointing. Graphics aside, it did little to improve on the original. I’d rank it above FF4 and 5, but it’s way below the PS2 trilogy.
>>737308625>stellar Nioh 3Yeah, right
>>737325363/v/ also has non-stop Senran Kagura amd Blue Reflection threads; that doesn't mean that those series are big sellers or worth playing.
>>737325247>Why is the new Mouse gaming becoming the flavor of the month when it has no marketing budget?
>>737325523But it the people playing Nioh 3 were there for the game not because of your headcanon console wars retardation
>>737325051>Everybody is broke.Aren’t we in a thread that’s explicitly says two of their games sold way more than expected?
>>737325247>Stellar BladeMuch bigger marketing campaign, backed by Snoy. The Korean government also threw their weight in lol, licensing actual an Kpop idol. Also the game has Soulslike combat. That's much more mainstream than character action. It also has a bigger budget in general, with more polish.>Pragmata That's a Capcom third person shooter. That's EVEN bigger bro, come on. Both of your examples are AAA games in comparison to NG4.
>>737325529$30 is still a lot of money for broke people. "Broke" people who managed to find about the game even when it had no marketing money. It's almost as if genuinely good games don't need to plaster the entire internet and the Super Bowl with ads because word of mouth is enough
>>737325465I forgot to add that it’s needlessly grindy( 3 million points for one fucking costume, are you serious?) and missing the post game, battle mode missions from the original. The more I think about it, the more I get mad about what a huge demake it was. I hope they leave FF1 and 3 alone.
>>737325620>were there for the gameNo they weren't. They were there for the character creator, creating and sharing waifus.
>>737324043>Be grateful they remember Nights of Azure existed at all.You know something I don't?
>>737325757Buddy NG4 is $70$105 with costumes and 2 Masters DLC
Congratulations to Koei’s first game to reach 5M sales
>>737309553It sold because it's Nioh more than because of the OW.
>>737325708Ninja Gaiden is one of Xbox's signature franchises, to the point where Halo had armors patterned after the series, on top of having a legendary reputation as THE action franchise. That alone makes it bigger in the eyes of the industry than newcomers like SB or Pragmata. Ninja Gaiden 4 failed because it was a shit game. That's all.
>>737325907>Buddy NG4 is $70So were Nioh 3, Stellar Blade, Resident Evil 9 and Pragmata, and still "broke" people bought them.
>>737326048>Ninja Gaiden is one of Xbox's signature franchisesYes. And Xbax failed to market it like they failed to market anything really. Wasted the marketing budget on Miami helicopter stunt that nobody watched.
>>737326141>he brings out RESIDENT FUCKING EVILHOLY SHITThis >>737325708 but times ten. Not a single fucking NG game reached average Resi numbers.You're an idiot.
>>737324043shame Yumia and Reslerana or whatever the fuck it was called were so shitRyza really killed the franchise
I find interesting how Fatal Frame 2 remake and Code Vein 2 launched between one month of each other>Both belong to franchises mediocre from a gameplay standpoint and whose selling point is the fanservice / coomer pandering >Both franchises are the red headed stepchild of their respective genres due to the above>Both decided to embrace censorship super hard so they can pander to politically correct audiences even when coomers are the ones who always bought their games>Both added modern game trends that clashed horribly with the franchise (stamina and souls combat for one, open world for the other>Both ended being massive commercial and fan failures>Both got "franticaly trying to savage the game" desperation patchesIt was the Japanese equivalent of those hero shooters bombing one after the other.
Can they use the money to make a new Toukiden already? This is a good opportunity to do a new game now that Capcom fucked up with Wilds.
>>737326247If people were broke as you claim they wouldn't games at all, no matter how mainstream the game is.
>>737326048>Ninja Gaiden is one of Xbox's signature franchises, to the point where Halo had armors patterned after the series, on top of having a legendary reputation as THE action franchise.That was like 20 years ago. Zoomers don't know WTF Ninja Gaiden is and Xbox and Halo are a joke now.
>>737308625Blessed news
>>737308625That's nice, that's nice.....give us an update on the progress of Dynasty Warriors 3 Remastered already!
Yet another case of a japanese studio censoring its games and pandering to the west and getting rewarded for it. Though looking at the board nowadays, I think most people would celebrate this now.
>go woke go bro-
>>737308625Based Ditto raking in the dough for two companies at once.
>>737327205Pokopia doesn't shove trannies, uggos, or gay sex in your face. Pokemon Go uglifying your character does count though, and you ever notice how hard that's fallen off? It went from a worldwide trend to crickets.
>>737308625I miss when their Musou games were great. I used to look forward to whenever a new Dynasty Warriors or Samurai Warriors got announced. Now they're sort of squandering what they have left of those IP's.
>>737327383Every Pokemon in Pokopia uses they/them pronouns, even for Pokemon with set genders.
>>737319706Only Nioh is good, everything else is kusoge.
>>737327540And that's not in your face. Well, it might be for people on here, but it isn't for mindless normalfags, which is the pivotal factor. Something you can't gloss over like Bazz or the amputee women in Battlefield is where they notice.
I voted with my wallet on Nioh 3 and Fatal Frame 2 and it looks like I lost the election. That's ok though. I've come to terms with the fact that gaming is no longer for me. I can complain all I want about how Japanese games are not what they used to be, or I can just let go of this increasingly more expensive hobby I have less and less time for that I don't even enjoy anymore.
>>737319706Team Ninja really carrying their company
pokemon soulslike when
>>737308625I was just wondering about Pokopia's budget. A spinoff probably has a smaller budget than a mainline game. And the mainline Pokemon games have pitifully small budgets. ZA only cost 10 million to produce. Furthermore, most of the assets come from other games. The budget for Pokopia was $7 million at most. And it's selling gangbusters. Huge ROI for KT.
>>737328506Omega Force actually. And it's not even fucking close.
>>737328115I take what I can get. I think it's been over a year since I bought a game that cost more than the Fatal Frame 2 remake though. I usually end up playing stuff like Labyrinth of the Demon King or Lorelei and the Laser Eyes.
>>737320543So Ninja Gaiden is not dead yet?
>your company’s best selling product is a pokemon spinoff not sure to feel happy or bad for them
>>737326048>Ninja Gaiden is one of Xbox's signature franchisesLOLEven if it was, no one cares about Xbox anymore
>>737328786Don't feel too bad. All of Gamefreaks other games combined don't even make up one Pokemon game. Beast of Reincarnation is likely going to be the same case.
>>737328892BoR looks kinda bootlegSomething is just off about it
>>737327981>that's not in your face
>>737328932>Something is just off about itGamefreak is outsourcing most of the BoR assets
>Stone of Penance and new side missions coming on the 27thNiohggers, how are we feeling? Hopefully they won't just do boss rushes.
>>737329151I didn't even notice we were getting an update so soon. I need to get back to finishing up NG+ since I stopped playing shortly after I got to the Heian period again
>>737329369I guess they want to stay on the players good side while they work on the main DLC.Just saw the popup in the newsfeed myself and was positively surprised, but I'll wait until I see what the "balance updates" do to the graces before praising them to high heavens.
>>737328979>I don't read past the first sentence
You can talk shit on Koei all you want but they're one of the few devs that still make fun videogame-y videogames.
>>737308625stupid motherfucking game keycards
