what went wrong with deltarune?what will go wrong in the final chapters?
The Mike encounter was done in bad faithToby should've just left Mike's identity a secret instead of doing this Reddit three Mikes crap.
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>>737315829Ain't that friend the ultradoggo in the lab?And what are the implications of the dark worlds bringing dead people back to life, is that how Dess will return?
>>737315056>what went wrong with deltarune?Chapter 3 was taking too long, so he had to cut chapter 5 from release. He's also spent some of his time developing chapter 4 with future-proofing the game's development to prevent any chapter from taking as long as 3 did again.>what will go wrong in the final chapters?The prophecy can't be broken, the world ends, and Sans fucks off to Undertale to become a loner. Who knows how the hell the end will play out?
>>737316816An extremely gross personal interpretation of the prophecy, the end of this world to bring forth the next one, some yinyang typa shit, darkners can also manifest cause why the fuck not??
>>737315056Nothing went wrong but I do think the Mike trio was a bit of a mistake. I think it's because Chapter 5 was delayed so he wanted people to not forget about it since the actual Mike could possibly be important. Probably nothing being answered, Suselle being canon, and not living up to the expectations of a 11 year WAIT
Deltarune is so painfully inspired by mother 3 that it bogs my mind people are discussing things like who is the knight
>>737317169I don't recall Hinawa getting jitterbugged I'm Mother 3
>>737316401FRIEND looks like endogeny but we don't actually know what it is yet.
No matter what the ending is, everyone is going to mad that it isn’t their 5deep super schizo meta nonsense theory and that they’ve wasted a decade following it.
The world is going to end. And then it'll be revealed that Deltarune is a prequel to OFF
>>737315056>what went wrong with deltaruneToby didn't hire professional code monkeys at the first sign of development trouble back in ch1 so now we're stuck waiting. 11 years and counting for this glorified visual novel>what will go wrong in the final chapters?A bunch of shit will be left unexplained, the plot will remain an incoherent mess and the ending will be more or less unsatisfying. It's going to give you that ''what was even the point'' feeling. Like if you were to quit Undertale after getting on of the neutral endings.
>>737320142>Like if you were to quit Undertale after getting on of the neutral endings.Those are actually the good endings, what comes after that reads like his Halloween hacks, if you combine them as a single story.
>>>/vg/
>>737320142He almost hired Stealth, but didn't, and I got no clue why.
>>737320252I'm not familiar with the Halloween hacks so I can't speak on that. The neutral endings in UT, whether you're a goody little two shoes or fuck shit up, don't solve anything. The monsters remain trapped, Flowey remains the same, Chara remains the same, really nothing good comes of it.This is how I think Deltarune's ending will go. The main cast will end up in basically the same situation they started. Shit, Susie might end up moving out again, repeating the cycle she's been stuck in.
>>737321247endings where nothing gets solved or nothing changes after all the things the characters went through are extremely lame. I don't get other creative types who think these endings are satisfying even if that's the point of the game
>>737315056>what went wrong with deltarune?taking 8 years to finish a 2D, turn-based, tile-based JRPG.as soon as i saw Chapter 2, i knew he had no idea where to take things from there.
>>737315056>shocking tragedy which gets reversed through some dumb meta bullshit >and they all lived happily ever after! please clap.
>>737321909I mean, delta is based is some schizo fever dream Toby had years ago, one he apparently felt so strongly about he needed to make a game with it, so I don't think a satisfying ending is something he's going for. What's more important is the message he's trying to convey with it, whatever it may be.
>>737322412>There's something more important than reaching the end, and that's for you to buy more of my merch.
>>737322412I'm guessing it's going to be like many RPGs where the ending is the same but some minor events change and some characters live or die.No matter what it takes, I am going to save him.
would you play this game if it had visuals like this?
Toby Fox can only write two types of female characters: tomboys and moms. Toriel? Mom. Susie? Tomboy. Despite her appearance, Noelle is a tomboy.
>>737323248No, it looks ugly.
>>737322412Actually based. He is an artist wanting to tell a story, the way he wants. Not some focus group nigger in a suit wanting to maximize income.
>>737323320Liking spooky things isn't enough to grant Noelle the tomboy status, she's just a fucking NERD, built to be thrown and trapped into her own locker(she will get hot and bothered after that)You're also forgetting about Catti, Alphys and Temmie(autism creature)
>>737323320THAT PIC IS OF DESS’ ROOM YOU DENSE HACK
>>737317169this how people think it's anyone but noelle is mind boggling
>>737323320>Noellenot a mom but she will be
>>737324008>noelle tells her mom she had too much preggnogwould that make her situation better or worse?
>>737317169Oh shit, the knight is Asriel?!
>>737324008the price of being a ho ho hoe
>>737323739>AlphysTomboy. Literally a male character who was genderbent. >TemmieTomboy / not a character. >CattiNot a character.
>>737323548>He doesn't know about the merch sales.
>>737317169This. The Knight was Asriel, but because he was already the villain in Undertale he created Dess
>>737324802don't be so surewe don't know when asriel was created, for all we know asriel's the knockoff and ralsei was the originalas far as we know deltarune started with four characters we know the role with three of them, but the fourth is simultaneously very important and also nearly irrelevant to the story even if you include the weird routeas it stand we still don't know why she's here, and why she ties in to so many things while being almost completely detached from them
>>737321247>Stories have endings, but real life doesn'tYes, but you're writing a story, nigger. Deltarune isn't a documentary.
>>737321247I disagree about the neutral endings. Yes, the monsters still remain trapped but a lot of the context of what will happen next changes. The monsters can be hopeless or content, and Flowey can be dead or alive if you let Frisk kill him or not. If Deltarune ends like the neutral endings I would be pretty satisfied with it, actually.
>>737325195remember every time noelle showed up in the anniversary stream, toby would keep repeating "no one else matters"
>>737325195That blank space between Kris and Noelle is kinda ominous, ngl.
>>737325343Even after all these years, I still think King Papyrus and Queen Alphys are peak endings.
troonslop is so unoriginal it's hard to imagine anyone with a conscience dedicating their existence to it
>>737325374if she didn't matter, why did he dedicate half the sweepstakes to expanding her character and backstory? just for shits and giggles?
>>737325382it's almost certainly something hugely important, either for kris or noelle it could be dialogue, it could be faces that give something away, it could be both
>>737325514because she doesnt have much screentime so far compared to the rest of the castthat makes people think she is irrelevant (a lot of people did pre chapter 2, and even during chapter 2 days people missed the weird route being centered on her, which is why we got "firegrave" and the idea of each chapter having a new classmate as party member)chapter 5 will probably be very noelle centric, and maybe 6 and 7 too. my personal headcanon is carol or even gaster is purposefully trying to push noelle out of the story in the regular route due to how much power she has over the narrative
>>737325195When I said Asriel, I meant the big bro character of the game. I'm very certain that the big brother of the MC of 2011rune was the Knight, and then that character became Dess. Also Asriel was created before Ralsei as we know it, as he was based on Toriel as stated by the artbook.
>>737315056>Chapter 1; October 31st, 2018I mean, is just inexcusable
>>737325807for a direct mother 3 parallel, the older sibling wouldn't be the knight because lucas and claus were twins lucas was the more sensitive one, iirc claus was more adventurous i think what makes this interesting is that both the dreemurr and holiday siblings go into these categories, but the relations are flipped asriel and noelle fall on the lucas side, kris and dess in the clausif toby really is ripping off mother 3 as much as believed, asriel would have to be much more important for dess knight to be the likely outcome but he's not, so the parallel falls on kris and noelle, which also doesn't fully work because we know kris isn't the knight, and noelle knight is mostly circumstantial evidence toby could have inverted it, with the lucas and claus roles swapped, but we don't know enough yet i think dess might actually be the hinawa instead of claus though
>>737323931oh because claus was running around while secretly leading a double life you FUCKING RETARD
>>737324008Having the teen pregnancy ending as if this was an eroge would be way too based not only for tobby but for like 99% of game developers out there
>>73732617911 years of delevopment. You rike, gaijin?
>>73732636311 years if we're lucky
>>737326315you're focusing too much on the character's familial relationships and not what role they play in the story
>>737326363I refuse to believe that 11 years comment starts in 2018. There's no fucking way he needs until late 2029 to finish the last two chapters
>>737326315I think it's both a Mother 3 parallel and a parallel to Toby's own family, which is why the older brother is the Knight. Also I do think Asriel is important, his return is first thing we learn in game and Ralsei is a flashlight pointing right at him.
>>737326179>be incredibly autistic with your craft that perfectionism locks your development up>develop wrist pain that dosent go away>executive dysfunction with a teamWhile im not suprised this has taken a while it has gotten a bit ridiculous
>>737326698Ch6 - 2028Ch7 - 2030At the very least
>>737326443We're already at 11 years. Ch1 started development sometime in 2015
>>737326698It has to be because if we start at 2015, this year is the 11th.
>>737326482i'm not saying i believe in the parallel myself, i'm just mapping how the characters relate to each other
>>737315426Niggas can't even tell that the mikes represent sans/papyrus/gaster
>>737315056how does this game manage to be the most troonslop bullshit in existence, rivalled only by roblox asym games?
>>737326947because you touch yourself
>>737325382It's kris talking.
>>737326767He probably took a break after Undertale released for a while. We know some music was made sometime in 2016. I think very late 2027 is optimistic but possible if Chapter 5 comes out before August and and Robert Sephazon actually forces them to work on the game.There's no way they set a deadline to finish the game by sometime in 2029, that would require an inhuman level of laziness and/or perfectionism
>>737323320I disagree with Noelle being a tomboy, she's a girly girl, and so is Elnina. But outside of that, you aren't wrong. Most girly girls in his series only exist in fanon. Even people like Mad Mew Mew are tomboys.
>>737327059On average, it has taken about 1.5 years per chapter to be finished. Best case scenario is 3 years for ch6 and 7 which lands us in the middle of 2029 so strap in and WAIT
>>737327059There's no fucking way Toby releases 2 chapters in a year, that's just delusional.
>>737327324In that case maybe he started programming in 2017 and the deadline would be sometime in 2028.It's optimistic but Chapter 5 coming out this year will be a faster turnaround then any previous chapter. So assuming they continue to improve efficiency instead of regressing and neither Chapter 6 or 7 are stupidly ambitious it doesn't seem impossible if they tried. But you're right in that it's probably delusional to expect them to try
I have a prediction that chapter 5 will be the most polarizing chapter that will either make the series or complete break it and it all falls apart and the longer the wait the more likelihood of either outcome becoming stronger. I do hope its good but if its shit im hopping off the ride
>>737327492Chapter 5 is only releasing this early because it was being worked on since 2024 at worst. It's not coming out faster compared to the rest.
>>737327586i agree that ch5 will be the make or break chapter, people these days might not be fully aware, but this is the chapter everyone has been waiting for since 2018, really everything in the past 7 years has been building up to this chapter, and the festivalif it sucks it might unironically be ogre for toby, 6 and 7 are ultimately still irrelevant because he's refused to mention them outside of a confirmation that work started on ch6 last year
>>737327586of course, it is the current peak of the story, if tobby fails the game just crashes on fire, people wont be silent on twitter and he is going to resent it
>>737327059let's believe in producer-kun without him we'd still be WAITing for chapter 3
>>737325195>susie blushing when talking about ralsei is one of the first pics toby drew of deltarunewhere the fuck is toby going with this
kek, it's plueyma!
>>737327863Its ironic. Both the Wait and the weight of that chapter can lead to everything falling apart at the end. And you are right, ch6 and 7 are super irrelevant in any discussion cause there is absolutely nothing indicating anything. If Ch5 reveals ch6 and 7 are the biggest whoops of all time it all kinda dies there
>>737328226that's just anime blush when a character is mildly embarrassed and lying about something we know the context is her trying to cool off noelle getting riled up about a guy she doesn't know
>>737328226A place far too based for this fandom
>>737327586That's obvious because it's the shipping chapter.
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>>737329062Why does everyone has such a fat ass?
>>737329062GYATT dam, why is everyone so healthy these holidays???If I didn't know anything else, I'd assume Kris is the same.
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>>737315056Nothing. The last two chapters were great and only annoying theoryfags complained about them.
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>>737329130Why not
>>737329179yippieee!So are the babies half deer half human mutants or do they only take after one of them?What's up with the soul thingy?
>>737329062>>737329118>>737329179>>737329239I really want that as an ending
>>737329392Monster girl rules, you either get a pure blood monster or a human
>>737329239I wonder what is her expected reaction from Kris there. How would she react if he enthusiastically hugged her right there, or the complete opposite, staring at her like deadpan retard.
>SusieB-C cup>NoelleDD or larger>DessA cup>F!KrisEither non-existent or gargantuan hidden behind hammerspace sweaterAny questions?
>>737330005susie is probably just a bagree with noelledess was probably also a b, maybe cfemkris is either a or an e who binds them/ big saggers
>>737325675>chapter 5 will probably be very noelle centric, and maybe 6 and 7 too. my personal headcanon is carol or even gaster is purposefully trying to push noelle out of the story in the regular route due to how much power she has over the narrativehow many theories are built around Noelle being either Gaster's replacement for Susie or Susie being prophecy-breaking replacement for Noelle?My bet is on later. Her color (yellow) is certainly more "standard" that Susie's purple
>>737326746chapter 6 and 7 need to come out at the same time or people are going to murder Toby because no doubt chapter 6 is going to end of yet another massive cliffhanger
>>737329392Hybrids. Real life wendigos.
My headcanon is that Ch6 and 7 are endingsNormal route ends on Ch6 while Weird Route ends on Ch7
>>737328226Ralsus isn't happening, this is technically a Suselle scene because it's Susie trying to cover up Ralsei being important to Noelle.
>>737331005My headcanon is that there will be more chapters, the game is already tracking more than 7.
>>737315056>thought the story was going to have the other classmates pulled into the Dark World in subsequent chapters>nope, the background, narrative, and lore of the entire game revolves around the lesbian deer and her familyCh. 3 and 4 made me lose all interest. Shame, I really loved Ch. 1.
>>737325332note how he didn't say "i believe every story should adhere to strict realism". it's a joke about pouring soda down a toilet, autist
>>737316401Dess put her soul into the Vessel
>>737331005>>737331086While a chapter 0 would be in characteri believe we will be forced to replay the whole game to do specific things in each chapter for the true ending
>>737325195Asriel was gonna be the original Knight 100%
>>737331709>i believe we will be forced to replay the whole game to do specific things in each chapter for the true endingIsn't this already covered by the Shadow Crystals and the EggsIt's fun to speculate about but I don't think we're getting anything more involved than that
>>737323248If that was some kind of awesome nightmare minigame segment where it suddenly turns into a Build Engine-looking FPS with that art, hell yeah I'd be fine with it.
>>737331709Toby already debunked the idea that completion of all save files will be needed.
>>737331751Asriel having a bat would be a Ness reference, as metanarratively, he represents the previous protagonist of the game.It's the same for Dess.
>>737330005We need a list for all characters.
>>737315056I want one ending. Just one. He better keep this promise.
>>737332287Play final fantasy
>>737327673The work being done on Chapter 5 was likely very little, so I think Chapter 6 or 6+7 can come out quickly. Chapter 6 likely won't be as long as Chapter 2 unless the scope increases considering Toby's past statements, and Chapter 7 is already locked in because of the dream and isn't likely to suffer from Toby changing his mind last minute like Chapter 3
>>737332197That's a very cute plane.
>>737333079The work BEFORE 2024 was minimal, but ever since September of 24, Toby has been working on Chapter 5 nonstop.
>>737333328Yeah he better is!WHERE IS MY GAME TOBY????PERRO CONCHETUMARE!!!!!
Mike was so horribly implemented, he had to tell people on twitter how to access it, and it doesn't make any sense in game either. Kris just all of a sudden has to leave to go to castle town by himself with no explanation and Susie and Ralsei are just like "ok whatever".
>>737315056>>737333657Who the fuck is Mike?
>>737333734We don't know lol.
>>737333734Tenna / Spamton's imaginary(?) friend currently impersonated by 3 guys
>>737333328yeah but you have to take into account when he started proper work on chapter 6, which was several months ago at least
>>737333734In chapter 2, spamton has one line of dialogue where he says "....Mike....." and people went absolutely wild with theories that whoever/whatever Mike was, they would be important in the upcoming chapters.
>>737329062>>737329118>>737329179>>737329239I swear, if this doesn't become canon, I'm gonna punch my fucking screen. TOBIAS, MAKE THIS HAPPEN. I WANT MY DOE PUSSY AND I WANT TO USE IT TO RAPE KRIS.
>>737333982I'm glad we're past the >the whole game will follow the structure of Chapter 1 and 2patternfagging
>>737333897I think the team would only start working on 6 once playtesting started, no?
>>737334589we know for a fact they've started work on 6
>>737334657Yeah, but that was very recently done, no?
>>737332287I really do feel he will subvert that in some way, especially in Snowgrave.
Why so many people want a pregnant deer?
>>737335618because
>>737335495>who's getting the best head.jpgwho's with who
>>737317048Mike is the friend cat. Pluey had the right idea.
>>737331751Also the attack stats are the same. Knight has 40 atk
>>737331751>>73733605440 seems the maximum an equipment will raise your statsso many weird choices
>>737334721started several months ago
>>737335847Kris is the only one with a dick, so him.
>>737333657Fighting the Mikes before the Chapter 4 Dark World is probably what's supposed to "canonically" happen.
>>737335906FRIEND Mike is pretty believable, plus I believe FRIEND will be important in Chapter 5 so it's a nice way to tie these two plotlines.
>>737335495Wait. If Chara is Mello, does that mean Asriel is Matt? And would the Vessel be the BB to Kris's L?
>>737337369I just that image because it's cool, I don't actually know what it's referencing.
>>737333734Isabelle's paranoia
>>737337653deathnote an anime
>>737337946Oh right, I heard about it but never watched it myself. I always thought Chara would be Kira from what I heard, though.
1/4>>7373371732/4
>>7373371733/4
>>7373382614/4
>>737336154In Undertale itself, 99 is the maximum ATK and DEF that can be raised by equipment with the real knife and locket, so I guess Toby changed his mind when he made the equipment be based on solely other humans
>>737338172Yeah Chara pre underground would totally be like KiraNo frisk though, Kris doesn't fit anyone there either
>>737338775I could believe at chapter 7 the max base stats being 59 without equipmentor he is leaving the stats low so that in noelle's or even the vessel high stats are highlighted more
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>>737338868Well, I don't know anything about Death Note, so I just assumed that's the case based on what I heard about Kira. I'm out of my depth here.>>73733902659 without equipment is pretty high, actually. I think that's around the same ATK as Kris with the black shard, or even more. Although I'm very sure myself we aren't playing as Kris in 6 and 7. We are probably getting 99 stats for the Vessel in that chapter.
>>737329062>>737329118>>737329179>>737329239This is pure kino but Toby would never do that. Also Toriel would kill Noelle if she thought she corrupted her innocence boy.
>>737338775I think it's important to note that this might be a Chara specific thing. Their favorite number is 9.
Theory time!The reason Dess disappeared is because Asgore found the tape of Kris raping Noelle, under Dess's order.It started when Kris scared Noelle by hiding under her bedDess took inspiration to record Kris doing it again, but to force himself onto herThe tragic thing is, Dess had to stop the rape storyline because Noelle was enjoying Kris too much and she switched to a "conceiving a child on wedding night" plotAsgore flew in rage after just watching the start of the video, and chased Dess into the bunker where she disappearedThis event caused the schism between the family as Asgore felt completely justified in what he didHowever after Carol reviewed the footage, many times, she told Asgore it was consensualThe families decided not to tell the kids what Asgore did, only that Dess dessappearedKris knew what Asgore did and was traumatized by it and saw that his maleness was the issue and started being non-binary and distancing himself away from Noelle so it doesn't happen againNoelle doesn't know what happened to Dess but she really like when Kris "raped" her and became attracted to dangerous people like SusieAsgore still feels guilty about what he did and is basically the Holiday bitch as penanceThe normal route will end with Noelle getting with Susie and Kris remaining nonbinarySnowgrave will have Kris and Noelle rekindle their love and to move on from the past and Kris identifying as a maleThe moral Tricky Tony is trying to push is that pedophilia can be nuancedAnd since his main audience is mentally ill trannies and japs, they'll eat that shit up
>>737341620Why does this unironically make more sense then 90% of the slop "I KNOW what will happen in Deltarune111!!!11!" theories on youtubeThe only thing missing is FRIEND. I don't think Toby would make Dess do that it'd make more sense if she was possessed by a demon.
>>737327586>chapter 5 will be the most polarizing chapter undeniably. NOBODY is ready for gaster knight
>>737342054:>) instead of :-)Still does producer-kun has a large nose or something?it became a thing after Ch2
It's going to be so fucking funny when Chapter 6 has absolutely fuckall to do with the bunker and takes place in Susie's house or some shit because Toby didn't actually write his entire game around doing a stupid number pun with Gaster
>>737341620hahahah what the fuck.
>>737342328snowman
>>737327282I remember when jokes about Deltarune taking until 203X to finish were gross, comical exaggerations.
>>737343351Honestly, so long as merch sales are consistent, what incentive is there to release the next chapter?
There is no fucking reason we couldn't have a newsletter or a small ARG on the spamton website againThere is no fucking reason testing should take this long for ONE CHAPTER as opposed to twoIts a fucking gamemaker game with the most insane budget a gamemaker game can get
>>737343351fvck
>>737343390>anyone even half interested in the game has already bought it>no financial incentive to actually release more while there's still merch to be made out of the game that already exists
>>737343426I feel like at this point he's trying to edge doing a newsletter until he can either say "The chapter is releasing on [insert day here] or "The chapter going to shadowdrop within the next month just wrapping up on bugfixes"
>>737315056The same thing that goes wrong with every Netflix series: Years of fucking time between every new episode. Hype has a time limit, and Toby has already exceeded it.
>>737343426i wouldve forgiven no newsletter if he>gave us a release date, making the newsletter pointless>didnt get into the most retarded drama ever, by responding to drama, and forever drawing the ire of spics
>>737343574Going by google trends the game's "hype" is doing substantially better then it was during the wait from Chapter 1 to 2 or the wait from chapter 2 to 3 and 4
>>737343390They don't even sell that much merch and Toby's "No lighter merch" autism prevails
>>737343351>>737343436>>737343461It feels weird that Jevil is still the best fight in the game>coolest background by far because of the 3D effect>best background music because it doesn't use Undertale motifs as a crutch and introduces new motifs>best set of attacks because the Knight's attacks got nerfed too much>most fun act gimmick>best character design
>>737343426>Its a fucking gamemaker game with the most insane budget a gamemaker game can getone thing is making the game, and the other thing is composing the soundtrack
>>737344492Composing the soundtrack isn't the bottleneck, the bottleneck is resisting the urge to vacation in japan every other week. I can't blame him I'd probably do the same
>>737344556>vacation in japan every other weeki thought he was living there full time? how else would be be going out to dinners with the most famous hack devs in japan or doing collabs and interviews with niche nip artists?
Another Deltarune General.WHEN is the spider coming back?
>>737344673chapter 6trvst the plan
>>737344608Someone figured out that his legal person lives in New Hampshire, so he probably doesn't live in Japan
>>737344492Didn't Toby once said that the music was always the first thing that got finished?
>>737344757Holy WASPAnd people are still saying he's Jewish?
After playing Deltarune Yellow for a bit I sorta wish Toby was heterosexual instead of a wannabe lesbian
>>737344673>no horny spider maidLife is suffering
>>737345702Oh yeah, that's a thing that exists.Is there a special requirement to go directly to the kill all niggers route?I'm talking about undertale yellow here.
>>737317048>>737335906you fuckers will keep ignoring the literal elephant in the room
>>737345787I think it just works like Undertale, it's been a while since I played but there's no weird dialogue tree stuff like Deltarune's weird route
>>737345231not all, he makes revisions of his music in case of lore-driven circunstances or whatever he decides it.
>>737344491i like jevil and knight because those are actual fights instead of pure gimmickshopefully the mutt won't pussy out of making a proper VS knight extra boss diffilcult (rather than just titan-tier mandatory boss difficult)
>>737315056Toby pulls his punches too much with fights and puzzles/overworld gameplay elements. It doesn't have to feel like a bullshit fan game but considering this is intended to be played after Undertale, he could make it a little more excitingDark worlds take a backseat to the story, their particular histories don't matter relative to the endgame which is the angels heaven/roaring, ch4's especially just felt like it was there to soley deliver the prophecy and also show how dark worlds workThe game at the moment is going to be extremely back loaded with plotdumps considering all the mysteries and questions we have vs the amount that are actually answered so farCastletown feels half-baked
>>737346351you underestimate how actually dogshit most people are at gamesmaking the fights harder will just cause people to bitch until toby caves and makes it easierwe already saw this with the knight, where people complained it was too hard even with the shadow mantle
>>737346549the knight was kinda bs because the hitboxes didn't match the visuals 100%, so that was an acceptable changeother than that I do think the game overall needs to be harder but toby is afraid people will drop out
>>737347464I think the Jackenstein changes were also warranted, not because it was extremely difficult but it very poorly communicated how the pumpkin chases start combined with dark TP gutting peoples ability to heal without items. It may have needed a rework since saying "he only chases you once you get to a certain spot" would ruin the vibe of the fight, I did see people just panic and go fast all the time, facetanking bullets because they assume it matters
>>737347592the issue with jackenstein (and roulxs in chapter 3) is that they are gimmick fight mostly for laughs, they are a slog to get through on repeatsat least you can cheese jack if you have enough TP items stockpilled, but really wish you could skip roulxs at least on a violent playthrough since it skips everything EXCEPT that
>>737327586Toby is running out of good will lately, the controversies are pilling up with shit like the OFF OST and the Material bullshit, plus the latinx issue was the first time he arguably lost a PR battle. He might not get away again if he pulls another Mike, Ol' Jitterbug or more Papyrus blueballing.>>737328597Honestly I think Asgore is a bigger liability here. /v/ will seethe at Suselle but the mainstream fandom will be fine with that, but Asgore got too much good will, if he isn't treated well people will be enraged.
>>737333657Some unused files suggest the Mikes were supposed to be found within chapter 3 before it was rearranged, the same thing that scrapped the city board.That whole chapter was botched beyond belief.
>>737346351>Castletown feels half-bakedit's so damn weird how the buldings keep shifting position around with each new chapter
>>737347808you can't beat k. round or sweet cap'n cakes with violence
>>737348862>He might not get away againwhat's going to happen if Papyrus isn't in Chapter 5
>>737349783Don't joke about such things.
>>737348862I feel like we'll get a fake out with him as the chapter's antagonist.
>>737324549Alphys is not a tomboyjust ugly and annoying
memes aside how do you guys feel about Rudy Knight? Because some of the evidence I've seen is genuinely swaying me a bitI felt so strongly about Dess Knight for years but i'm really not so sure anymore.
>>737350460i think it's the spite pickpeople want it to happen just to piss on dess knighters, story be damned it's a step above papyrus knight, but only a single step
>>737345702choo jinket su ka ne
>>737343426I still think he's just going to drop it in June, on the anniversary of Ch3&4 and when Toy Story 5 comes out.
>>737350460>Rudy is KNIGHT'ing trying to find Dess who is lost in the DarkYeah I'd take that. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if we just never actually see Dess and just find out she died years ago.
>>737350585that's what I thought too until I actually bothered to look at the actual evidence people have put together, like him blatantly referencing Kris making the TV World Dark Fountain, or his strange and somewhat cold dialogue to Susie in chapter 4 if you didn't introduce them to each other in chapter 2.
>>737350831you mean the handwashing line? it's weird but not exactly a red flag, and considering that toriel treats it as normal it's not a surprise rudy knows it's one of kris' tic's considering how close their families were, and that rudy was the last of them to stop doing christmas togethercan't remember what he says to susie though
>>737315056Ralsei stopped being black.
>>737351085Rudy has this strange reaction to meeting Susie for the first time in chapter 4.While this may not seem super weird on it's own, whats weird is that if you introduce them in chapter 2 he reacts normally and friendly, but for some reason, after only a single day in game, his reaction is starkly different if he meets her for the first time in chapter 4which is after chapter 3...which is where you fight the Knight...
>>737350378Keep my wife out of this.
>>737318748>shitting on meta theoristsThey said what went wrong, anon.
>>737350460>>737350778>>737351416It's pretty clear the whole family are suspicious as hell, and Asgore is a either a useful idiot or in on it.
>>737351416the church seems to be mostly composed of regulars, a new person sticks out pretty bad and given susie's reputation around town, it's not too surprising that rudy would be apprehensive to her if their first meeting was there, especially considering that him even going to church took a lot out of him, he has not time for bs, even less so considering toriel just splashed himremember that alphys also feels super out of place at the church, and her reputation is much better than susie's, even if she's considered a bit oddit's different at the hospital in ch2, the environment is more casual despite the location, him and susie even joke around a bitit would be better evidence if rudy was weird even if you saw him in ch2, but he isn't, he's much more chill with susie i think it simply boils down to different first impressions
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>>737320142Its not a visual novel, since it has a gameplay, but even Kodaka managed to make 3 Danganronpa games + a 3D shooter spin off game in 11 years and each of these games were longer than Deltarune
deltarune fails at being an RPG and at being a bullet hell game
I'm all in on Toby's ride until the end, but it's going to be sad when Ch5 goes in a completely different direction than all the Asgore memes.
>>737317169Wait, I, the Player, are the Roaring Knight?
>>737322683>and thats for you to buy more merch>NO NOT THIS ONE!!
>>737352606I still don't get what he's angling at here.
>>737333734I, the Player Character, am Michael J Mike.
>>737329239>XmasIt's called Christmas. Why are retards using non christian friendly version of this holiday when game itself uses the actual full name?
>>737350460Noelle knighter is already confirmed so it's only entertaining seeing retards get swayed by autistic headcanons where side characters not related to the story are somehow the Knight
>>737352671there will probably be some big twist that will make people hate the characterslook at what happen when a character does something people hate, like shayy's plushie
>>737352415It's purpose was to become the first mainstream HMOFA sim
>>737352671he's being autistic
>>737352671Lightners are "real" within Deltarune's world, Darkners are to them as Lightners are to us, and he believes it'd compromise some aspect of the storytelling around them if he sold them as obtainable things, the same way he doesn't want Chara or Gaster depicted in merchandise
>>737352897This won't age well if the game doesn't allow you to pick who Ferris wheel shipping couple. It means you can't play the way you want it, you just get railroaded into "enjoying" suselle.
>>737352971he's saying "play with the characters the way they want" in the context of being physical plush toys, anon
>>737353043You don't play with plushies, you place them on a shelf
>>737352849*HFOFA sim
>>737323320Despite Kris's appearence she's a mom.
>>737353109some people play with plushies. regardless, i don't know you look at an excerpt from a tumblr post titled DELTARUNE Merch that addresses the situation where lightners aren't being made into plushies and derive a conclusion that isn't directly related to deltarune merch
>>737353145I can't believe Toby is HMOFA and HFOFA's strongest soldier at the same time. How does he do it?
>>737353337He's doing it by being vague with protags gender. It cost us a lot as now majority of the fandom consist of castrated troonfags manifesting dysphoric non binary Kris as canon
>>737315056>what went wrongIts made by a faggot>what will go wrongIt's being made for faggots
>>737353145Kris's gargantuan well hidden sweater puppiesPuts Toriel's to shame
>>737352606I've always taken this to being that Noelle will do something that makes her hated, or it's revealed that she did do something. Maybe it's an Omori twist but with Noelle instead of Kris.
>>737353765kris somehow taking after both of her parents despite being adopted
Escapism bad or "it was all a dream" are probably the worst endings Deltarune could have, though Toby ripping off Mother 3 wouldn't be much better considering Mother 3's final boss shits all over Mother 3's ending.Mediocre forced yuri is inevitable, my only hope regarding this is that Toby lurks these threads and sees people pointing out how hard his writing shits the bed when he shills his fetish.
>>737351416i saw this on a videoIt is a good argument for the rudy knight theory
Has anybody ever noticed There's someone hiding behind the tree next to the lake? Look at the tree Sprites and there's one little dot that's different from the rest. Looks like a small hand. Could just be my imagination or maybe misinterpreted pixels.
>>737354295could be the nose of the gaster follower look alike
>>737350460It would be incredibly kino but it's clearly not what the story is going for. Toby is not a subtle writer -- the Dess symbolism is absolutely overwhelming and the intentions are clear. If it was Rudy we would have gotten equally heavy-handed symbolism for him.
>>737350831If you're talking about the video, he didn't mention the best part: Rudy + Asgore team up is the only way for Undyne's kidnapping to work without invoking light-world magic.
>>737349028>Some unused files suggest the Mikes were supposed to be found within chapter 3 before it was rearranged, the same thing that scrapped the city boardWait what
>>737354295wtf
>>737315056dess is not human
>>737354295For what it's worth... whatever the fuck that thing is, it also shows up during chapters 1 and 2.
>>737349028Chapter 3 and 4 do feel quite rushed, between the scrapped third board, the Susiezilla minigame being placed out of the way and so on, so that's honestly believable. Between both chapters, there's only a single instance where the Simplify VFX option does anything.I wonder if he'll ever go back to patch these chapters. Probably not desu.
>>737354295It's noelle knight being jealous
>>737350460Rudy has 0 mandatory dialogues he's completely missable outside the flashback in CH3 and the Church scene and even then you don't even have to talk to him. You can go through the whole game without even noticing him beyond a background character barely any more significant than milk looker.>DessKnight
>>737357057It would make more sense if Carol was the one bending both Noelle and Kris into her plan and that they would work together in secret. That's why she was informing him that Noelle looking forward to festival and she's also the one on the phone along with Knight who is Noelle.
>>737344673tommorow
I want my HMOFA chapter with Susie
what is the knight even trying to do?
>>737315056Deltarune just isn't a good concept to begin with (try to come up with a way to describe Deltarune to someone who doesn't know what Undertale is), and then he ended up committing himself to making that same game for the next ten years of his life.
>>737358046At the core it's a small town mystery game with furries which is fine as a concept But then you add like the several different things going on at the same time and it just gets stupid to explain
>>737358046Deltarune setting feels more complicated.Undertale: Humans are superior, while Monsters as misunderstood. Racism is bad.Deltarune: Humans are rare? Race war no longer matters. Monsters are the Lightners and act as superior race in comparison to Darkners who are all servile and treat Lightners as gods. Lightner monsters are now as strong as humans and much more powerfull than Darkners. Message is friendship and beating destiny to form your own future.
>>737358046>Furries teach you that escapism is bad, cherish your friendsThere
>>737352849>>737353145sorry chuddy and troony but kris is HECKING NON-BINARY. looks like someone needs to look at the pronoun page again
>>737359078Deltarune was claimed by the woke, the same would happen to Chess if tumblr sniffed out an oportunity to ruin the fun of HMOFA furries and weebs.
>>737359420You can replace the "ambigous protag" with "non binary character" or "crossdressing joke character" with "trans lion representation" and you have the same retards joing the bandwagon and letting wokes gaslight the fandom to the point people think Kris being nonbinary is canon and supported by the author.
>>737342054How do you explain Gaster cheering on us beating himself, then?
>>737344673Hopefully soon, Deltarune lacks all the best girls.
>>737359420toby's a homestuckfag don't act like he didn't know EXACTLY what he was doing. and if he didn't intend the humans to be hecking they/themer trooners then he's a massive pussy for never saying that and i'll still make fun of him
>>737352849>>737353145Can't wait for Suselle to be confirmed canon so all self inserters will explode and leave
>>737352849This artist is a FemKrisfag, bro.
>>737329239noelle's not THAT stacked
>>7373434266 months of dev time are spent exclusively doing the japanese localization.
I just wanna hug him and tell him everything is going to be okay.
>>737329062ZAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN
>>737345702Can't wait for Chapter 5 so all retards like you will stick your fanmadeslop and not infect Deltarune discussion.
>>737346121Yeah me too. I hope at the very least if there's another hard boss that any "easy mode" stuff is optional instead of forced via adaptive difficulty or updates.I do like some of the gimmicks but I'd be fine if the blue soul doesn't show up at all. In fact it'd probably improve the game. The blue soul has been completely abused by fangames at this point and every interesting variation of it has already been done
>>7373415519 is Chara's favorite number because it's the "strongest" number. You can't go higher than 9. This is even seen in Deltarune where SWOON always leaves a party member at -999 health. That's why the Real Knife and Locket give you 99 stats. It's possible that in the route all about getting stronger, we get something that gives us max stats once more.
>>737331005For me it's the opposite, Chapter 7 will only be done on the normal route because it's the chapter the next generation has to write.
>>737358046>teenagers stumble upon alternate reality where fiction is reali don't think Deltarune being tied to Undertale is a weakness of the game. it was made to exist in the context of it for better or worse
>>737362180I think Deltarune has such a good premise it's kind of wasted in its ties to Undertale. I wish Toby had created the game where teens turn into monsters in an RPG campaign in imaginary worlds without any of the meta baggage.
>>737358038Reposting my theory on the Knight's motive from a previous thread. It is honestly the only reason I can think of for why the Knight chose those three locations to open Dark Worlds in.>>737199560>The biggest problem is that Kris is working for the Knight and he doesn't seem like a traitorKris is totally a triple agent though. You can see it during that corridor scene near the end of Chapter 4 where Kris was the only one to not help Susie and Ralsei up when one of them falls. This completely contradicts how Kris treated them throughout the game, and it's likely that he is doing this because he knows that the Knight is watching and he wants to convince the Knight that he does not care about them.As for why he is working for the Knight, my theory is that the final prophecy is something like "the First and Second Heroes must fight each other till only one remains" (which will explain Susie's reaction to it), and Kris' plan is to make Susie mad enough to kill him when the time comes by revealing his treachery and how he sold out Toriel (who is very dear to Susie).>Plus if Carol is involved she explicitly kept Noelle too busy to go to the churchI don't think Carol is working with the Knight at all, actually. In fact, I believe that voice on the phone during Chapter 4 is actually Ralsei using some yet-unknown way to reach the Light World (explaining the weird way of speaking). We know he is secretly working with Kris behind the scene after all. When the voice said that they will be "right there", it's Ralsei saying that he will head to the church Dark World right away to start censoring the prophecy for Susie, since he knows from his knowledge of the future that Carol will be home early that day and Susie finding the guitar will lead to a chain of events causing Kris and Susie to head to the church earlier than expected, and Ralsei prefer not to go there early in case he runs into the Knight.
>>737341620What the fuck stop leaking my game. Now I have to delay it for another 5 years.
>>737352828>Remembered the Shayy plushieLmao. Now I'm curious if there's any pics of it getting burned or destroyed by that faggot's fans after all the shit dropped.
>>737362484Current Deltarune is so tied to Undertale as it is that I can't see how it would be like if it was a completely separate game.
>>737342558Toby is super autistic about numbers and their allusions to other characters, there's no way he doesn't make 6 the Gaster chapter when that was the chapter that consumed Gerson (who being LOTH author means he's a clear Gaster parallel)
>>737362924I thought Gaster's number was 17
>>737363021No, Gaster's number is 6. All his unused stats are 6, mystery man only shows up in FUN value 66 with 66% chance, his dialogue typer in Deltarune is 666. This is contrasted with Chara's number being 9, for example. 17 is only for entry number 17.
>>737362594Yeah, it'd be far too different, but I enjoy his humor. I hope another dev becomes inspired by the concept to do a different spin on it.
>>737361547It's okay only because it'll take Toby 4ish years to actually finish Deltarune. I wouldn't be seeking alternatives if Deltarune itself was done or getting finished in a timely manner, because it is legitimately better than the fangames by a good margin
>>737343351Back in 2018 I really thought that 7 years was actually going to be the maximum amount of time that it was going to take for Deltarune to be released. I never thought that the WAIT was going to be so grueling
>>737343390More chapters means more merch, he can't milk Spamtenna for so long.>>737343426Toby seems to really not want to show any spoilers for Chapter 5. He technically was the same with 4 until we got the release date.
>>737363119>17 is only for entry number 17why 17, though?
>>737362924Hey you want a fun oneCount the boardwalks in Chapter 3 until you fall down the slide [including those to the left with the sneezing remotesAnd the number of flashes on the tenna its tv time thing before the screen fully fades out [the last one is very hard to see]And the number of forest rooms before the egg room and what room the egg room would be if its in between the wingding room and the donut roomAnd the same for the city
>>737363891The pattern with the egg room being the 17th room doesn't apply in Chapter 3 with tv world unless you count the different screens of mancountry as separate rooms and the batle screen with the ribbicks as a room sadly. I need to check if the pattern holds if you hack back in the backstage area because it had ribbicksAnd it doesn't seem to apply in 4 either though I think it might if you count up the rooms from both routes to the egg room and/or the old way. But I am confident this was an intentional thing with Chapter 1 and Chapter 2. There's no way counting up all the forest rooms makes the egg room room number 17.
>>737315056You grew up. Replay Undertale and you'll find it just as bad.
>>737363615I don't know. I can't think of anything significant about 17 outside of maybe being the Forgotten Man's number if >>737363891 is correct.
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>>737366010I will say for the City I included the dog hallway as a room and for all my measurements I include optional roomsI think it's really likely to be intentional considering on top of the rooms fitting as missing "Entry Seventeens" in their areas there's a tree with a man behind it in the true lab, even if he got lazy with the pattern in the latter 2 chapters...Speaking of which I need to replay undertale and count true lab rooms for that sometime lol
>>737344491I disagree, I think the Knight is better and personally I like the Undertale references even if Gerson overdid then to the point Hammer of Justice is basically just a Spear of Justice remix.
>>737362485>Noelle isn't the knight it's just that the knight is trying really hard to make Noelle look like the knight and is baiting her to start the roaringIf the goal was the roaring the knight could have easily done that multiple times.The knight, or rather the mastermind behind the knight is clearly working to fulfill the prophecy in a way that suits them.With this context it's no wonder why Kris is working with the knight. They are trying to save Noelle from from the role she's forced into. Noelle and Kris are working together under Carol to subvert her plan and fulfill the prophecy in a way that suits them instead, which is why I think Kris got Susie involved in the first place, in an attempt to change the prophecy and switch up the roles.
>>737366669The Knight has some cool stuff like the final attack, the PK Starstorm attack where the shards turn into red things and target you, and the variant of the sword targeting attack where swords spin around you so you have to be careful while you dodge the targeting swords but I think Jevil overall had a more varied attack lineup.I'd agree with you that the Knight probably has more fun attacks pre nerf but the nerfs to the sword tunnel attacks were way overkill. They should have increased the size of the red indicators instead of decreasing the size of the sword hitboxes.
>>737352606>NO KRIS MERCH THAT IS MY ARTISTIC DECISION
>>737344757That was the Sharty and I don't trust them. His twitter says he lives in japan.
>>737367118I haven't played the knight since it was nerfed so I don't know how much Toby nerfed it yet.
>>737367219I was talking about a youtube video actually. Though yeah I'm sure others figured it outThat could just mean the last time a tweet was made he was on vacation.Though, he could live in japan if it still ends up not switching to america after the next tweet. If he does live in japan I do wonder why he still has his legal person in new hampshire
>>737348862I don't think the average normie cares about Asgore getting his aura back or whatever, plus I am all in on the flowers being the main boss anyways. If Asgore is just a joke people will just move on.
>>737367319To sum up the extent of the nerfs you went from needing to not hit the swords when they target you after the tunnel at all and needing to stay away from the red indicators to being able to partially move into the red indicators and still not get hit. The soul can even just be completely covered in swords and not take damage. The hitboxes are extremely thin.Additionally, the hitboxes of the swords were also vertically shortened, making the tunnel sections a lot more lenient. Before the hitboxes extended slightly out from the swords, now the visuals extend slightly out, so you can get hit by the tip of a sword in the tunnel and not take any damage.These changes have made it possible to sometimes dodge the second tunnel attack without even moving with the right RNG. The attacks went from being the hardest in the fight to the easiest by a mile
>>737367201That's not Kris, that's HERO_SWORD. Can't you read?
>>737350460He's my second favorite candidate outside of Dess or a variation of her, but I really don't see it happening. I think Rudy just exists to make Asgore and Noelle sad.
>>737368027you tell 'em.don't forget to buy NOT_SUZIE as well!
seriously why does she cause millions of gamers to become deranged rapists?
>>737367201That's technically not Kris, that's a game sprite made in his likeness that's also implied to be its own Darkner. That's the loophole Toby was willing to concede on for Kris and Susie.
>>737354742This and Rudy earnestly laughing because Susie is right that she would kick his ass in reality is the most kino parts of the theory.
>>737368602>childhood friend of protag>can shatter yuri by doing it>sweet as biscuits and stinks good...RAPE!
>>737368602Shes the knight. People try to rape her into good behavior
>>737368732whew, good thing he found a loophole to sell more merch.i'm sure, with the extra money, the game will be finished in no time!
>>737369421It's not a loophole. There was no artistic decision that there ought not be any merch in the image of Kris, only merch of Kris.
>>737353185I LOVE MILF HUMANS!
>>737351416This is genuinely really weird but it could be because Rudy is just too tired to meet a new girl in Chapter 4.
>>737368602Because you can, and because you can...you must.
>>737351416That’s a really weird reaction
I still want Kris to top Asriel
>>737370737That’s his brother you sick fuck
>>737370815He's adopted
I’m very curious to see what Noelle will be like in Ch. 5’s weird route
>>737370737I only like this if it's FemKris, otherwise Kress is better.
>>737318748This can apply to any theory. Toby can't live up to 11 years of speculation.
>>737371791Plus, Paper Trail already beat him to his MOTHER 3 derivative.We already know just from how he's been espousing about "you gotta make FAN CONTENT. don't let me be the end-all be all. PICK UP THAT WHITE PEN. ITERATE. REMIX. 500 MORE SKELETONS" between Gerson as his author's mouthpiece and his sentiments across the UT 10th Anniversary stream, it's extremely obvious that we'll get the bare minimum "and then everyone was happy even if it's bittersweet in some places :D", and as soon as something significant happens relating to (You), whether Kris asking if you want to be friends for real or Susie asking if you want to go on another dipshit adventure, your connection's terminated and you're encouraged to write fanfiction, make a fancomic or code a fangame to keep your personal story going.
>>737368602(you) are the only one who can possibly give her what she wants. to be strong, to find her sister, to give her love, and happiness. it's unfortunate that we have to use less than kind means to be near her
>>737368602She's hot. It's that simple.
>>737372492Kris is literally finding Dess for her and you are ruining his plans
>>7373500347 years and we have been blueballed about Papyrus thrice, reality is already a fucking shitty joke.
>>737373312kris can do hack, diddly, and squat without (you). everything they've done up to this point is stolen valor. without the power of (you) Kris would be worthless. as of now they're only a hair above worthless
>>737374362He could play the piano and go back to being the town retard incel piece of shit loser I guess.,
>>737368602can't get her on the normal route, had to ACT.
>>737373718Papyrus can't show up until the endgame, his appearance is spoilers.
>>737374691if this happens i will murder toby in real life
>>737362554there where some of the plushies getting scissored
>>737353337>Toby is HMOFA and HFOFA's strongest soldiercan't believe people already memoryholed the chapter 2 acid ride
>>737354703>the Dess symbolism is absolutely overwhelming
>>737352671Lightners are supposed to be real people so they can't have merch. Toby is just autistic about his own media, he doesn't like merch ruining what they "represent". Same reason Chara has no merch.
>>737375057chara is technically a spoiler like how he avoided asgore merch until much later/after deltarune
>>737356247Chapter 1 lacks a whole bunch of basic features from later chapters, even shit like Clover not getting text portraits there.
>>737375057All of it's just a roundabout way to say "I based Chara and Kris off of myself on a very personal and intimate level, and Susie and Noelle off of some very important people in my life, so I'd feel weird having merch of these aspects of what I try to keep to myself" anyhow.
>>737375057I feel like the endgame of deltarune is going to have us feel really bad for taking control of Noelle and potentially Susie and have that as a message so the whole "having lightners as dolls" thing would go against that kinda
>>737358297Yeah a "small town mystery game" I don't think gives the right idea. It's mostly correct but the story isn't structured like a small town mystery game and at least half the game is spent in outlandish fantasy areas. I'd describe it more as "a Paper Mario vibe" with every chapter seeing you visit a different themed location.>>737358301What you're saying wouldn't make any sense to "someone who doesn't know what Undertale is". Appreciating something like the monster and human constrast between games makes Undertale a prerequisite.>>737358850Not wrong but it doesn't really give you any impression of the overall plot, setting or gameplay. It's just one of those "describe a game accurately as poorly as possible" bits.>>737362180This is the best one. However it brings up a separate problem (for a person who doesn't know what Undertale is): if we're doing a story set where characters live in a real world and travel to fictional worlds... why is 99% of the real world town made up of animal people, monsters, weird nonsense characters and a skeleton? There's only one actual human, and I don't think there's a reason given for that. Having the characters in the real world being as zany as the characters in the fantasy world undermines the core concept.
>>737375414it will fly over the head of most players, and honestly I think that would be pretentious as fuck (as is the game going so far)won't stop people from labeling toby as the "king of metanarrative" (which only shows those people's lack of media awareness in the first place)
>>737375057Massive fucking respect for an artist to have integrity about his vision and not whoring it out for a few bucks more,
>>737375540>ignores the loophole he made in his own logic to justify merch of the Zelda sprites for Kris and SusieIf Noelle's counterpart in White Cloak wasn't a secret character tied to the Weird Route, there'd be merch of her too.
>>737375641>>737375540I bet a huge part of that is fangamer BEGGING toby to let them make merch so they can get more money
>>737375131Yes, but Toby explicitly said in a email that Chara will never have merch because of what they represent. That's why we still have no merch of her despite Asgore and Asriel having one, and why all Frisk merch is just "human", too.
>>737375703Nah he's definitely a merch whore now, else he wouldn't have slapped Ralsei's plush all over Chapter 3.
>>737375414toby can't make me feel bad for playing a video game. if this turns out to be true which I see a lot of twatterusers and sometimes people on here saying Toby said then my only response is that Toby shouldn't have ever made the game
>>737375414I don't know about the normal route but there is a very high chance the weird route will have something similar to this.
>>737375839It's literal Spec Ops: The Line shit, I can't imagine Toby is going to go there with how much people hated it.
>>737376101he will do it and people will praise you for it just because they are already brainwashed
>>737375137Chapters 3&4 also never built upon crafting, gave the dojo one fight and removed the music shop, in general it just feels very weird considering Toby's MO was to put dumb amounts of attention and love in his games, only to drop and add features at a whim in his sequel with more dev time and budgetI know the development is beyond the term dev hell and probably would have been cancelled long ago if not for the stack of cash Undertale generated, but it still feels off.
>>737370737Asriel is the TOP and STRAIGHT you absolute faggot
>>737376232I think a lot of it is realizing his original scope is just too ambitious for its own good, the Ralsei Rancher gag comes off as an "oh fuck i really can't afford to make developing Castle Town THIS modular" in retrospect.
>>737374691Anon, the issue isn't leaving a character for the end. Nobody is mad that Asriel still haven't shown up because the story was very clear on how it was going to take a while.Papyrus has been teased since 2018, look at the 2021 release threads and you will see people were already furious about it back then. The game went out of its way to shove in your face how he wasn't around.This whole thing was a bad faith way to piss off the fans.
>>737353145I don't like shipping shit in general but this is such a monkeypaw that I find it slightly funny. Still would rather no pairings to be canon.>>737353765This applies to every human btw.
>>737376357I don't know if it'd become too modular, but things like the dojo and a crafting system wouldn't be that hard to supportI think however crafting items is excessive for this game because it's combat system really doesn't support it, you just only can make a few unique items before you run out of cool item ideas
>>737376335I agree on straight but I doubt he would top Kris.
>>737315056the only things I'd say that really went wrong are:Chapter 3 being rushed. There was a bunch of cut content in that chapter and it's mostly restorable so it'd only have taken like a month or two at the most to finish.Drama outside the game itself, some of it being Toby's fault and he should definitely do better, most of it doesn't involve him.I think that's pretty much it. Hoping the rest of the game is great.>>737376357I always saw the Ralsei Rancher gag as "this is way too cursed" and it was never planned.
>>737376719Honestly the way I've always saw it is Papryus doesn't exist in Deltarune. sans is just fucking with the player the whole time about his "little brother" that he doesn't have. sans would totally do this.
>>737354295I don't think is supposed to be intentional, knowing how Toby operates.
Can you imagine if Toby pulls a Mass Effect 3 and all the endings are the same and the Eggs/Cristals are a waste of time?
>>737375414That's pretty much a guarantee for how the weird route will end.And more, it will be specifically about how you're evil for romancing video game characters, and how evil trying to keep Noelle and Susie apart is.
>>737363119Ackshually, Gaster's door has a 10% chance of appearing even if the fun value is 66. Still makes it the most hidden fun event out of all the ones possible.
>>737375487>I'd describe it more as "a Paper Mario vibe" with every chapter seeing you visit a different themed location.It was that way for Undertale and for chapters 1 and 2, but by the middle of chapter 3 it shifted into being a deconstruction of this style. If 5, 6 and 7 don't suddenly go back to that, the game was mostly *not* this style.
>>737356048Dess has a gender so that already killed the theory right then and there.
>>737376232That and Chapters 3&4 also abandoned the prospect of item shops even thought they had been planned at least for Ramb
if Toby had any idea where he was going, it wouldn't be taking this long to get there.
>>737377447I don't have to, this is exactly what's going to happen
>>737353337He also likes HFOMA. He just likes race mixing.
>>737378116Then why are there no black human characters?
>>737378582That's for his third game.
>>737378582I'm glad toby didn't go with the original idea where hometown was a human town that became monsters in the dark world, could you imagine what sort of freaks would be there
>>737376335>Asriel>topme when i lie on the internet
>>737376232>>737376357Toby has proven again and again he will make entire complicated gimmicks only to never go back to them, see the teacup rides for example.All the bullshit with the game right now is either profound incompetence as a developer or straight up trying to piss off the player on purpose, and given how Toby is it's impossible to tell which one is the case without him stating it openly.
>>737379068It's so funny that Toby would rather break his brain and wrist trying to code a bullet hell game with RPGmaker exploration, a dozen Wario Ware minigames, guitar hero mechanics, beat em up mechanics, space shooter mechanics, platforming climb mechanics, pac man mechanics, punch out mechanics, and a dating sim side plot, instead of just making a straightforward JRPG.
>>737379068>>737379639Anons, until you've done indie dev yourself, it's difficult to understand why a dev would make a one-and-done feature or thing in their game. Much of time, something you use in that piece of content can be used elsewhere, and a lot of gamedev is trying to reuse content you've made to save time, even if it's just some lines of code or using the way you solved one problem to help solve a different problem later. All of those weird one off things become tools in a toolbelt you can use for other content later, too.And Deltarune has grown into this weird cultural phenomenon where Toby gets to hob nob with Japanese gamedev royalty, so the behind the scenes plans are probably changing all the time. (Say a prayer for whoever they have trying to tardwrangle the team behind the scenes.)
>>737376951Kris is a dead fish.
>>737379925It's certainly not saving a lot of time if he's taking this long to release a single new chapter
>>737379925He could have just replicated the chapter 1 gameplay across the entire game and people would've been happy with that.
>>737376335>>737378974Humans ALWAYS dominate.
>>737380258My opinion has long been that there's absolutely no rush to release new chapters if the merch is consistently selling and the game is still in everyone's minds. Merch is where you make the lion's share of your money on a game, anyway. (The margins are way, way higher.) I'd ride that merch wave as long as I could and only release a new chapter when sales started to dip.>>737380353The gameplay would've gotten stale by Chapter 4 in that case. One of the novel things about Deltarune is all the goofy one off events, encounters, and gameplay situations.
>>737380463>The gameplay would've gotten stale by Chapter 4 in that case"It would get stale" retards are the most dense of all.Earthbound has the same gameplay from beginning to end, and most games are like that too.Toby tried to reinvent the wheel with Chapter 3 and tripped downstairs with a mess of a chapter that was cut and rearranged with tape on the last minute. He could have just used the proven Papyrus Formula again and told what is essentially the same story and releasing this shit earlier.
>>737380874Sure, there's something to be said for consistency, but if you're a creative person and you have the time and means to do so, it's a lot of fun just to try new and weird shit. That's how gamedev used to be before budgets bloated to hundreds of millions of dollars; you could take risks on gameplay ideas and have some fun.I liked the 'retro video game' thing in Ch3 for the most part, but not enough to replay it. Does that mean I wish it wasn't there at all? Not at all.
>>737380463That just makes Deltarune an amateurish game. It has questionable presentation with inconsistent spritework, written text constantly working overtime to express story elements the graphics can't, a battle system at odds with itself that makes stats irrelevant for 90% of the battles, awfully linear, corridor-like progression in the Dark Worlds, and a frankly kinda botched concept of the Weird Route. The gameplay of Deltarune is bare bones and instead of improving its shortcomings, the creator would rather worry what's the next quirky minigame he should put it in so his ADHD audience doesn't get bored? Maybe I would get bored if the game is nothing but press ACT over and over, yeah, but it doesn't have to be like that.Remember this is a game being sold incomplete for $25 and has been in development for over 7 years. Freaking Silksong has released in that time. Toby has more resources than almost every indie dev out there and somehow it's not reflected in the game's quality.
>>737315056>>737315829Mind you the king in yellow book was split into 2 sections yellow and pink, and bares concerning similarities in the fear of predetermined events
>>737381286it always comes back to hasturwhat is his problem?
>>737381126It sounds more like you have some kind of personal axe to grind with the game than anything else.All of the 'faults' you mentioned are varying degrees of minor. The game has a wide mix of content (exploration, lore/story choices, mini games, battle games, etc) and none of them are exemplars in the field, but none of them are broken messes either. Yeah, the art isn't 100% consistent, but it's not a problem of any major size. Yeah, the stats are kind of a meme, but you're not penalized for ignoring them because of that. Yeah, the areas are fairly linear, but that's in line with Mother 3 (for the most part). And so on.The weird route I also like a lot and found to be quite novel, beyond the borderline impossible to figure out without a guide shit to unlock it.>It's $25! But Silksong! The quality!The first two chapters were free, IIRC; probably 3-6 hours of content at least. $25 for the new chapters, and to support the dev, is completely fine for me. And it's clear Toby is spending more money on dev, because the scope/scale of the game expanded immensely vs. what was in the original Undertale. If you're expecting some kind of ENA style 'now it's 3D!' overhaul, you're deluding yourself.
>>737381443To lure artists into realizing they're in a play by showing them the script and watch them either wig out or attempt to abuse their new found knowledge and ruin shit for themselves.
>>737375540>Massive fucking respect for an artist to have integrity about his vision
Does anyone here enjoy the gimmicky minigames? Personally, I don't care for them, they're a fucking drag. If I wanted to play flash tier games then I'd just look up free web games and play them.I just want to walk from point a to point b while fighting/interacting with wacky creatures and solving lobotomite tier puzzles like we did in Undertale.I'd prefer if those 6 months spent coding Kris climbing up a fucking wall for one chapter were allocated to more fun bullet patterns for regular enemies as well as just more enemies in general. It's been a while since I played Yellow but I remember the average fight being a lot more engaging compared to the ones in Deltarune.
>>737358038We don't know yet, outside it wants to kidnap certain characters and is opening Dark Worlds. It's not like Undertale were we knew Asgore wanted seven souls to open the barrier and destroy humanity. Even how the roaring is caused is pretty vague, with only in 4 we know how a titan is made.
>>737381671I don't care about them either. The TV world minigames were not worth the development hell they caused.
>>737381554I wouldn't call them minor faults. Jack of all trades, master of nothing sort of situation. Think of the Weird Route some more: we could've had a resource to break sequences and create variety and non linearity to the gameplay where you get to play a fucked up creepypasta version of a Dark World, but the concept might be too resource intensive so it's reduced to utter minimum in the next two chapters, oh well.I'm just saying this: Deltarune should have focused on consolidating a core gameplay instead of trying to tackle everything at once and becoming this mess of a pixel visual novel full of minigames. Developers with much fewer resources have been able to do much more, so I expect a better product. I was just a couple months ago defending Chapters 3 & 4 from criticism of people disappointed the game didn't become what they theorized it was going to be like, but I've become more skeptical and I now feel Deltarune deserves far more criticism for what it's trying to be but isn't.
>>737381596i still think he changed it for reasons beyond the deflowering symbolism maybe the rose would make something too obvious later
>>737381596With the game on Switch, be glad he didn't have to change it more. I would put money on this adjustment only happening to keep Ninty happy.
>>737381975He panicked way too hard for me to believe that. The damage was done when it got into the full game to begin with, he could have at least waited until the replacement graphic was completed.
>>737358046Deltarune's premise is basically just a persona game. Teens find out about mystery fantasy world where an evil knight wants to destroy everyone. It's not that complicated.
>>737359420Is this the fabled chess theory?
>>737381671I like them and it makes each area unique. The climbing minigame is my favorite but I enjoyed Chapter 3's minigames, too, wish we could reply them. Honestly Yellow is pretty boring outside of the Steamworks and extremely overrated so I'm pretty content with the direction Toby is taking.
>>737381671Don't hate them at all, but I probably would've if the city board and its TWO minigames weren't cut. I do kinda wish the Cowboy Minigame was fleshed out, developed, and made unlockable like Susiezilla, but that probably would've dragged out the Green Room segments too much. I also hope all of them can come back to Castle Town at some point for replayability instead of just the concert and Mike games.>Cooking MinigameDeceptively hard to land a T-rank on if you don't anticipate your jump delay enough. Definitely WON'T miss doing that.>Rock ConcertSomehow managed to get T-rank after missing one or two notes. Getting T-rank from the Island Board itself was more challenging when trying to get Shuttah's battle over with.>SusiezillaThe one I'm shit at. Can never keep Tenna perfectly healthy on the second part when the dozers come in, and can never keep him fine until I make it to the very end with the Annoying Dog easter egg.
>>737382340The climbing minigame could be the one that justifies its existence the most if we keep the claimb claws in future chapters since it could add more verticality to the level design.
>>737381975>*The Toby Engine roars with power
>>737382435>the latinx seethes with envy
>>737381671I think they can add a nice flavor, I liked shit like the Mettaton flying minigame, and I think the early Mario Party concept for chapter 3 could have been great, but I would gladly put them all on the chopping block if the game came out faster or I got more out of what I actually like about the game.
>>737382421>laughs with my tea cup rides
>>737382581Seven years.
>>737381554>The first two chapters were freeThat's arguably fucking worse because those chapters do a terrible job at representing how the full game will be.
>>737382986The chapters give you the look/feel/theme of the game and it's more than enough to know whether you're into it or not.
>>737380249Child gf fits better.
Give me one compelling argument as to why Kris is not a boy
>>737382421I don't think it will but I still liked it in Chapter 4 nonetheless.
>>737383241Two best friends are two girls and a gay boy, that's a basic bitch female friend group
>>737363358I meant that once Suselle is canon every shipfag will migrate to fanmadeslop like that, cleansing discussion through chaos and pain.
>>737383241Female Kris would mean I got abused by an emo girl with a knife fixation and that makes my penis hard.
>>737367201Toby's love for money surpasses his autism which is why he constantly makes loopholes.
>>737383241toriel sperged out when asriel kissed bratty, but has zero issue with the majority of kris' friends being girls and spending time doing weird shit with themwhile asriel is the golden child, i don't think she would intentionally allow kris to get away with shit that she wouldn't for asrielthere's also the thing were kris has dainty princess hands but people get mad when i bring that up
>>737367739I need to replay through Undertale and Deltarune again before 5 releases to solidify my choices, but that sounds like a pretty big nerf.
>>737383443>shipfag will migrate >cleansing discussionyou're a dumbassthe shipfags will shit up the general discussion forever as revenge
>>737383558The princess gloves don't mean much. The gloves only fit human hands and Kris has a twink build. Big whoop.
>>737375414I can only see that in the Weird Route. I doubt Toby thinks you're evil for playing Deltarune with how much he wants us to play it.
>>737383241Lancer calls Kris a wife.Kris wearing the princess ribbon.Most of Kris's friends are girls.Toriel is okay with Kris and Susie having a sleepover.
>>737383669i don't think twink build can disguise man hands
>>737376719I was one of those people that hated that Papyrus wasn't in Chapter 2, but my view of it is that Papyrus was planned for the full game and not actually Chapter 2, but because Toby had to release everything in chapters he was "delayed". That's why the hangout isn't even mentioned in Chapter 4, it wasn't supposed to be an early plot point.
>>737383880They still fit in the gloves.
>>737383880Some men have small hands. It's genetic.
>>737377447This is pretty likely if you don't think Toby changed his mind since the FAQ.
>>737383936Then why. The fuck. Did he tease it TWICE?
>>737383443the objectively superior duo of (you) and Noelle will overwrite and bland Yuri shipping. but for real why is Toby better at making the dubious routes way more interesting
>>737383669>twink buildkris is fat as fuck though
>>737378582He's woke so he thinks there's only one race, the human race.
>>737384026kris has big saggers theory
>>737384042What the hell are monsters supposed to represent, then?
>>737383529>t. noel
>>737384126moomin
>>737381975I genuinely think that Toby didn't see it as sexual and his team didn't warn him about it. He's autistic, remember.
>>737384278didn't he have like ten playtesters and every single other person in his team and also the people who do the age rating how did that pass by everyone?
>>737359549What, you have never cheered on your little sibling/cousin/whatever when you are playfighting?
>>737383558erm sorry chuddy are you implying that clothing dictates gender thats hecking problematic. we're in current year didn't the tomboy lizard and twink goat clue you in? also susies a gurl and she can't wear the gloves or something
>>737384349I guess none of them wanted to be the one to point it out.
>>737384278>>737384407>*The Toby Engine works overclocked
>>737384278i highly doubt toby didn't know the implications, but i can buy that whoever sprited it was oblivious the only reason i can think of that isn't a jape from toby is that he underestimated the reaction happening here and nipped it in the but before it spread to xitter and shit
>>737383218That's the original but I'm fine with Dess being a shotacon. Someone needs to edit that as an Undertale/Deltarune fan and add the child gf as either Frisk/Chara or loli Noelle, though.
>>737384278Anon, Toby watched Revolutionary Girl Utena. He's well aware of the sexual implications. He just cucked out.
>>737384134Accidentally aborted my snowgrave run when I got scared off by Noelle's engorged penis.
>>737384371only kris can wear the glovesit's a very odd thing for the game to specifically call kris out on
>>737383583Yes, but after a few years they will leave and discussion will be free of them. It will be painful, though.
>>737384470Child gf's.
>>737384498all in on utenarune
>>737383241Kris is a girl when I'm horny. That's my argument.
>>737383241Kris is a bitch.
>>737383241carol is a degenerate weeb who let asgore fuck her husband into the hospital. the reason why she wants kris to rape noelle is because she thinks yuri babies are stronger than regular babies>sourcetemmie told me this before sucking me off in a dream
The most glorified visual novels + 20 mins of gameplay I've seen. Deltarune/Undertale are massively overrated.
>>737384005In Chapter 1 it's for the reason I said, he thought the next release is the full game. In Chapter 2 is to tell us he isn't coming anytime soon and is being saved for the endgame.
>>737384278How long are people going to cling to this dumb cope? He obviously wrote in that subtext on purpose, he just pussied out when he saw people interpreting it as Kris literally raping Noelle
>>737384126A fictional, fantasy race.
>>737384278Forgot to mention:- Noelle is a lesbian who is attracted to Kris.- Berdly only likes gamer girls and is attracted to Kris.
>>737315056Taking too long to develop.Chapters ruin the pacing as they feel episodic and not an entire seamless adventure.
>>737384792They could just be bisexual. The only confirmation a character isn't attracted to another gender is if they explicitly reject it
>>737384886That's an asspull. Noelle is only ever portrayed as lesbian, and Berdly is only ever portrayed as straight. The single exception happens to involve the same person. That's beyond suspicious.
>>737384349Yeah, I think they didn't have the balls to tell Toby. It's cope but meh.
>>737384978Noelle is "only ever portrayed as a lesbian" with exactly one crush, amazing sample size
>>737385103She clicks on popups for hot female santas.
>>737384278He's a fucking weeb, the whole rose symbolism is very recurrent in anime.
>>737384556Uoooooohhhhhh ToT
>>737385232Not even. Deflowering being represented by literal flowers is extremely common in fiction in general. The only people who wouldn't know it are media illiterates.
>>737384498Not enough incest to be an Utena homage.
>>737383741>Lancer calls Kris a wife.lancer is the same person who refers to queen as his "girl dad">Kris wearing the princess ribbon.game has a tomboy and femboy as major characters clothing proves nothing>Most of Kris's friends are girls.Ralsei and Berdly. but beyond that male protags having a friend group that leads more female isn't unheard of>Toriel is okay with Kris and Susie having a sleepover.fair but also kris is a lonely weird so its not too unreasonable that toriel was just willing to bite the bullet and risk the two fuck just so kris doesn't devolve into more of a fat chud
>>737385725Kris cant fuck, he's too autistic unless the girl explicitly is thirsting for his dick like Noelle. Even then he needs us to fuck like the damn cuck he is
>>737383880kris is five feet tall.
>>737368602She's as much of a freak as me if not more, but her nature causes her to hide her power level from everyone. The only remedy to this is rape.
>>737385864that's the global average for women, isn't it?
>>737384498I memory hole that as I don't like Toby being a yurifag.
>>737385725Bro, Ralsei is somebody Kris was forced to associate with due to the prophecy. Kris has exactly one male friend: Berdly, and they're even not especially close.
>>737381975>changed the deflowering imagery to Noelle’s hymen FUCKING SHATTERINGwhat did Tony mean by this?
>>737384023>but for real why is Toby better at making the dubious routes way more interestingfor the same reason all the intendedships are as bland as they get while stuff like fucking chasriel are inherently more compelling
>>737386082Asriel technically counts as a friend
>>737386151Asriel is their brother. That's like saying Toriel is Kris's friend.
>>737385932Pretty sure the average is around 5'3 actually.
>>737383241Tumblr headcanons kris as a girl and as we all know Tumblr is NEVER wrong
>>737386192I don't see why it wouldn't. You can have a brother you fucking hate and is your enemy, why can't you have a brother who's also your friend?
>>737384023Because he leaves the interpretation of how romantic a couple is for us rather than having a character simp over another constantly. We find it good because we can make it good ourselves.
>>737386142Chasriel is one of the best UT/DR ships, THOUGH.
>>737386250i highly doubt that research into the whole femkris theory was done last summer, and it was noted that the only place you could even suggest femkris was hereyou'd get run out of town anywhere else until somewhat recently
>overly femmine >likes pink>short>is hiding stuff from (YOU)guyz is ralsei secretly a woman?
>>737386250Tumblr doesn't believe in femkris, they believe in nonbinary Kris and also every ship with Kris is yuri and they want to put Kris in female costumes not to point out Kris is female but to deny Kris is male, which is done out of spite against self inserters.
>>737386425retards outside of here regularly call krusie and ESPECIALLY kriselle as "yuri". talking about kris being on "their" period or how valid ralsei being kris' binder is. they only get mad when you DIRECTLY refer to kris as a she
>>737368602don't mind me, just checking in>>737301872
>>737386567haha imagine being kris' binder
>>737386421...anon, that's exactly what I implied
>>737387116You seemed to imply it was absurd that it was better.
>tranny speedrunner (i repeat myself) whining because people mass reported fangame devshttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/6bRs9inZhjYLook at Cibles' fucking face. I refuse to call that phenotype a woman.
>>737386250Tumblr headcanons all humans as non-binary. It's not real FemKris, they can make Kris an AMAB as well.
>>737387303How can I support this brave warrior killing fangame trannies?
>>737387350>Tumblr headcanons all humans as non-binary.i see you weren't around for the "gold age"
>>737387283nta but it does rely on headcanon and fanart since we don't get to se what they were like in the past all that much
>>737387350>they can make Kris an AMAB as well.And yet you never actually see them do it as the same rate they go on and on about Kris being biologically a girl.
>>737387539Nah, I was there in 2016. Big booba Frisk was popular but most people inside actual Tumblr believed Frisk and Chara were non-binary and fervently argued in favor of it. The current fandom is these tumblr fanatics who outlived the casual frans fangirls as they moved on to other fandoms.
>>737387648True, but that's why it's better. The headcanon allows people to make whatever ship what they want, which is why it beats canon. >>737387736That's because they're trying to fight against Suselle shippers who say it's queer erasure, but beforehand they always argued dating a non-binary is queer no matter their gender.
>>737386509“Fem”kris>has heavy make up>eyelashes>a defined hipline>sometimes noticeable breasts>wears skirts or dresses MaleKris>just Kris’s in game sprite but slightly taller… maybe has some stubbleheh
>>737388246>he's making shit up again to self insert sad
>>737388246Hey many there are PLENTY of game accurate femkris. It’s just no one posts them cause we’re all horny bastards
>>737387350>they can make Kris an AMAB as well.I’ve seen two chicks depict kris as explicit male and they both self insert as Noelle getting raped by her
>>737388246There's a lot of FemKris that is just Kris with titty.
>>737388246Half of MaleKris art is completely non-canon. Kris is canonically the short character in the cast, but that make the pussies of Noelle self-inserts dry so they pretend he's a chad instead.
>>737388883Yeah you can tell when the snowgrave art is drawn by a horny woman.
unironic femkris fags are mentally ill however I would fuck her stupid
>>737389116This but I like my femKrisbros, they're cool humanbros nonetheless but I can only see FemKris when horny.
>>737389116all krisfags are mentally ill. And that’s ok
>>737389116Everybody in this thread is mentally ill. Yes, all five (5) of us.
>>737389206for as much shit as I give you human bros I’ll give you this. Without you and the two other humanfags these threads would certainly not be able to be daily I can’t tell if that’s a good thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce4IzbEQyNo
>>737389313Actually, I'm the only one in this thread.
>>737389313Wdym there more than five people here we got>the redditor>the human lolifag>the other humanfag>the tsundere charafag >that one schizoAnd even one (1) drawfag
I'm mentally ill in a badass and sophisticated way that would make Noelle Holiday want to have sex with me
>>737389116that bitch would somehow give you every STD known to man despite being a virgin
>>737389564The redditor and schizo are the same person.
>>737389623To get the good ending you will have to give Kris a belly rub.
>>737389693>these threads really do consist of five retardsGRIM
>>737389370I don't think we have that much power. I never make threads myself. At best I just bump them.
>>737389370I'd probably be better if we had a thread every two to three days. We pretty much have had daily threads ever since ch 3 and 4 came out, it's why we ran out of things to discuss so fast.
>>737389786They're all me, actually.
>>737389564>And don't forget me, your eggs-husband!
>>737388246Retard.
>>737389742god imagine Kris panting like a dog and rutting into your hand while you're pressed tight against their back sharing your body heat and nibbling on their neck while you give them a reach-aroundhaha
>>737388246almost got me with that bait
>>737330005Noelle is flat
>>737390069>picoh hey I was wondering when the kris faggots would make their return
>>737390069This but FemKris.
>>737389564Most humanbros are lolibros.
