Has enough time passed for /v/ to admit that this shit was a Dragon's Dogma 2 tier disappointment?
>>737330247>Dragon's Dogma 2 tier disappointmentlet's not exaggerate, at least nioh 3 is a full, complete game
Nioh 2 was a fluke and Team Ninja are beyond washed, PlatinumGames actually mogged them with Ninja Gaiden 4
>>737330247I don't care about 3d Ninja Gaiden 6.
>>737330295Nioh 3 took me 10 less hours to beat than DD2, so I guess DD2 is more fuller and complete.
>>737330339>3d Ninja Gaiden 6.If only, Ninja Mode is more like a shitty ghetto DMC
>>737330247This game coukd've been great if team ninja didnt blow all their money on making 2 inferior spin-offs of nioh that flopped.
>>737330247>Dragon's Dogma 2 tier disappointmentCome on now, that's way excessive.Every TN game after Nioh 2 was a relative disappointment, nobody was actually expecting a return to form.
>>737330247This game's demo assraped my CPU so hard that even aforementioned DD2 seemed like a masterwork of optimization programming.
>>737330247The samurai/ninja mechanic seemed like a lame gimmick, the faux open world seemed lame, and then the demo inexplicably ran like shit while looking hideous before I even got into the "open world" portion so I wrote it off entirely, didn't even pirate it. I also didn't finish Nioh 1 or Nioh 2, so why bother? I should just go back and play those actually good games which look literally the same but actually run well.
I admitted it before I was even halfway through the game.
>>737330247It was good and so was DD2.
>>737330295>>737330543Nioh 3 is actually worse than Dragon's Dogma 2, because for as anemic as DD2 was, it was at least at its core Dragon's Dogma. The core design of the game was not compromised.This is not the case for Nioh 3, Ninja mode and the open field gimmick just make for an actively worse Nioh experience, and these aren't really additions you can meaningfully tweak or remove, these are the design choices that literally define Nioh 3 as a sequel, they will always be a part of Nioh 3, whereas a DLC for DD2 at least has the potential to improve a lot by building on what's there
I enjoyed it but I'm still disappointed by 90% of the base enemies being recycled from nioh 1/2. Same for a lot of the side/optional bosses.
I knew it was over when TN admitted the reason they didnt make NG4 is because they "forgot" how to make Action games
Watching /v/ shitting on games is pretty ironic given how the board's favorite games are games like the Senran Kagura games, the Neptunia games or the Blue Reflection games.
>>737330247Adding deflect simplified the combat too much for me and so did the open fields. Tight small missions with better enemy placement and a focus on evasion cancels made for a better experience. Nioh3 can be whatever because 1 and 2 still exist for me to play.
>>737333992>/v/ is one personi too need to make a boogeyman in order to have a coherent thought. you're a bot anyways, kill yourself niggerai
>>737333992>the board's favorite games are games like the Senran Kagura games, the Neptunia games or the Blue Reflection gamesis it presently 2007?I wouldn't mind but I'm pretty sure it isn't
>>737333992>Watching /v/ shitting on games is pretty ironic given how the board's favorite games are gachaUpdated it for you. But the broken clock is right ~80000 times a day, because most games nowadays are indeed shit.
>>737335942Zenless Zone Zero is unironically a better game than Nioh 3.
>>737330247Nah, Nioh 3 was good, it is just that Nioh 2 was literally perfect and virtually impossible to surpass.
>>737336117trip back on shin
>>737333651They didn't even recycle the good ones.And the ones they added are mostly shit.
>>737336493Nioh 3 would have been a lot better they had anyone who actually played ninja gaiden working on ninja mode. I think that's what they were trying to do. Bridge the gap between the acrobatic combat of NG which excelled in 1vN scenarios, and the static combat of nioh which excelled at 1v1.And it did sort of work to be honest, group fights are definitely a lot more fun in nioh 3 than nioh 2, but that also applies to samurai as well with just how much free mobility and fast cleave they give you to deal with groups.I think it might just come down to jumping physics. Ninja's jump should have had a lot more lateral movement like ninja gaiden's somersault does.
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>>737330247I should have pirated this shit. I thought Team Ninja would deliver kino like Nioh 2 or Stranger of Paradise, instead I paid $70+tax+tip for Wo Long-tier slop...
>>737337607>Ninja's jump should have had a lot more lateral movement like ninja gaiden's somersault doesOh and something to fill the niche that OL attacks do in ninja gaiden. I don't remember nioh 3 having anything quite like that. You had a lot of aerial attacks, but nothing like "I'm going to jump to you, and THEN attack", more like "I'm going to run at you, then jump and attack".You jumped so that you could do the attack, the jumping was kind of a cost to pay to get access to the attack, as opposed to jumping for positioning reasons and then giving you an attack out of the jump so you can actually take advantage of the quick positioning.
>>737337737I'd argue Wo Long with DLCs is a far better product because the game was designed with intent and systems around deflect and morale. N3 is schizophrenic.
Is DD2 worth it or should I wait for a steeper sale?
>>737337998Pirate and mod it nigga
>>737337998It has fucking barely any more actual content than original Dragon's Dogma did, no it isn't worth it you nigger.
I went in expecting Rise of the Ronin but with demons which is all I wanted because Rise of the Ronin just needed more enemy variety.Instead I got the shittiest most soulless open world ever created purely so they could advertise as open world and everything is just Nioh 2 but worse.
>>737330247The DLCs have always been the best parts of these games and they also make the rest of the game significantly better.
i fucking hate the open world shit so much. other than that, game's fine. i don't like it as much as nioh 1 and 2, but it gud
Nioh 2 is honestly one of the best games ever made. Haven't played 3 but I have to wonder if people just didn't expect too much thinking that a sequel being better was something they could take for granted.Kinda similar to how I like Dark Souls better than Bloodborne, but I would never say Bloodborne disappointed me, it's an incredible game, Dark Souls is just not an easy game to beat.
>>737337998No telling how long you'll have to wait considering it's the historical low, but I'd say it's worth it. The game is actually massive, just has content variety/distribution issues.You can install the mods that attempt to address that if you don't care about experiencing the game as designed, or just install a single mod for more skill slots because 4 is fucking stupid.And there's probably going to be a DLC soon.
>>737330247I wouldn't know I didn't buy this because they did the body type a/b garbage. imagine buying censored games and thinking it's ok to post here
>>737339130I wonder how it feels to be as autistic as you.
>>737338583>didn't expect too much thinking that a sequel being better was something they could take for grantedIts always tempting to say "this game I like is made by developers who actually know what they're doing! it'll be different this time!"But after Wo Long I think most of /v/ was ready for something like Nioh 3. It was a hope for the best but expect the worst situation.Doesn't help the sting, though.
>>737338497The>Its not open world! Its open field!Thing that was being spammed during the release was so bizarre. I don't think it was misdirection, it seemed like cope.>Its open world but it executes it well enough that I actually like itOr>Its open world, and that's a shame, but it doesn't overly detract from the experienceIs also understandable.But just calling it a different word as if said label is a magic wand that suddenly makes any objections to open world disappear in a puff of smoke, is very strange.
>>737339414The main problem with the open world sorry open field shit is that the enemy AI is simply not equipped to handle it, they just turn into sitting ducks you can run circles around
I didn't expect them to crank up the "enhanced" versions of the mini-crucibles as much as they did for NG+.The one blocking the way to Mibu Temple throws a nasty gank at you.>Starts with 2 crabs, big and a small one>Next a single tengu>Then an Itsumade, Tengu, a big crab and a gaki as an afterthought at the same time>Ends with an EnenraThat third wave was rough.
>>737339608Well that's not so different to Nioh 2. The difference was Nioh 2 could paper over it with tight level design. The set pieces were definitely better than the open terrain but there wasn't enough of it and it wasn't as good since they had to constrain the set pieces to their locale.
>>737330247>>737330295It's literally not finished yet, you fucking retards
>>737339414It is not real open world though hence open field, you’re retarded and don’t play vidya
>>737340091See this is exactly what I mean. Just replace the word world with field and its like magic linguistic sorcery apparently.
>>737339414You realize they called it “open field” to temper expectations of people who wanted “open world”. You live in a schizophrenic contrarian bubble, not reality. It wasn’t called “open field” to “temper objections”
>>737340127You don’t mean much of anything, you’re a complete incel who is out of touch
>>737340127He's just fucking with you lmao; anyone that played it knows its ubislop with collectable sidequests scattered across a barren map.
>>737340195Trolling has gotten too advanced for my inelastic fossilized brain.
>>737330247no because Nioh games aren't done until they drop all the DLCcome back when Nioh 3 Complete Edition is out then ask again
>>737340195>nioh has you…collecting samurai locks and kodama >this is ubisoft!!!!You don’t play vidya, and now you’re samefagging like a total schizo
>>737340278Post your Nioh 1 2 or 3 gameplay
>>737340271this anon gets it
>>737340312Please tell, why? So you can watch it like you do instead of play vidya?
>>737340271>>737340374>nioh 1 has like 5% dlc completion rate >nioh 2 15%dlc does fuck all for nioh, absolute meme and basically outs you as an odachi or fist fag
>>737330247I said the whole time while playing it that it was inferior to Nioh 2 though
>>737340417>dlc does fuck all for niohretard
>>737340379>doesnt play nioh>doesnt know that N3 barren fields have you chasing cats, collecting ferrets and carrying statues heads around >thinks its N1 and N2 with hidden kodama stillYeah you bore begone from my sight
>>737340446>abysmal clear rate Outted as an odachi or fist shitter
>>737340479>didn’t answer the question You don’t play vidya
>>737340528https://youtu.be/DWYwyzslFBg?si=x7CT8j7FdJjmh7NPhttps://youtu.be/TA_HwHn5AeU?si=TC__FqnTAZtYZLrVBegone
Stranger of Paradise is much better but this is the only playable Nioh game. Game was saved by ninja and Toda which will inevitably be patched out. Will probably be game of the year given last year had nothing and the two previous years were random no budget indies out of nowhere.
>>737340593>didn’t answer the question >posts absolute cringe gameplayYou don’t play vidya
>>737340593>one second in >female hiddyActually laughed out loud, fucking tranny freak
>>737340250No its unchanged just make fun of the dipshits at all times that dont interact and bot post like zoomer NPCs as seen >>737340091
>>737340816Samefaggot
>>737330247Nah it was still good but definitely worse than 2 in most ways.
>>737330247I get that Ninja mode is a horrible and shit idea, but Nioh 2 is also just overrated
>>737333992/v/ is filled with subhuman brownies
>>737337607>Ninja's jump should have had a lot more lateral movement like ninja gaiden's somersault does.That would have made the shitty invisible walls even more obvious.
>>737330247I enjoyed it but I think it overstayed its welcome by about 20 hours for my first playthrough
>>737338583>Nioh 2 is honestly one of the best games ever made. Haven't played 3 but I have to wonder if people just didn't expect too much thinking that a sequel being better was something they could take for granted.People only said that Nioh 2 was one of the best games after all the DLCs released, on release it was Nioh 1.5 with literally nobody understanding anything anima-related
>>737342625>nobody understanding anything anima-relatedIQ issue
>>737342704Yes, your IQ moron, since it was your kind that complained
>>737342743Complained about what? What the fuck are you talking about?
>>737342770Don't even pretend like you weren't part of the same crowd back then, I remember all the posts
>>737342376I mean that would have possibly made it better. Spending five minutes trying to jump onto a roof and thinking that you're just not close enough is even worse than an obvious invisible wall.
The open world makes the context of the world seem so fucking retarded. Like in the other games you assume the world is still functioning and you are just experiencing the worst areas. But in 3 everything is fucked and every couple hundred years Kyoto just gets genocided down to maybe 5 survivors.They couldn't be bothered to even make a couple normal villages the only people that exists in every single area are the 3ish core npcs and maybe 1 or 2 sidequest npcs and every other character is just generic ghost and areas that should have survivors gathered like the castle in act 1 and the shrine in the final act is just devoid of life.
I thought the combat evolved naturally in a lot of ways.Stuff like frost moon and deflecting. The 1kat and axe/hammer feel like different weapons now. Being able to switch between two potentially drastically different builds on the fly is a massive evolution to the combat that's slept on by people that stick with one style, or only use their least favorite style in only rare instances.Ninja weapons feel good to use. The new verticality to combat through jumping and aerial attacks is a little anemic compared to other action games with this avenue of combat, but it's a welcome direction to take nioh combat imo.There are issues though. Like the odachi not being able to parry yokai anymore, or fists getting moves taken away by their ninja weapon equivalent.Some weapons got deleted and turned into ninja weapons, which lose access to huge things like stances, ki pulse ki regen, and the new stuff like frost moon and deflecting.The open field thing was great at first imo. It's like they just sewed together a bunch of nioh levels into one big quilt. The sengoku era realized this concept the best by far.Heian era felt a lot more linear and samey.Bakumatsu era was especially disappointing because it starts off great imo. It's very urban and vertical, which felt very fresh. After the first boss of the era, it kinda devolves into being more flat, empty, and "generically nioh" than anything else though unfortunately. The crucible aesthetic really wears out its welcome at this point, and the rest of bakumatsu's areas really borrow a lot from that aesthetic unfortunately.Enemy variety isn't so much of a problem this time as it is enemy placement. Non gaki and jailer enemy types are far too rare seemingly.
>>737330247>Nioh 18/10>Nioh 210/10>Nioh 37/10It's alright but the open world really doesn't add anything and was done only because Elden Ring did it. The mission system from 1 and 2 worked great, no need to trend chase when what you already have works. Not really a fan of the ninja/samurai split either. It's a fun gimmick for a bit but that's all it is, a gimmick. I also REALLY dislike how gimped Omnyo/Ninjutsu feels. Being locked to 4 ninja tricks and like 6 Omnyo spells compared to previous games when I could have double that equipped on my max Dex/Magic build feels bad man. Especially since alot of ninjutsu items such as the Quickchange scroll were turned into Omnyo items. Meaning I have to sacrifice half my already limited spell slots for necessary buffs. leaving me with a pathetic amount of actual damage spells for casting and inflecting status effects.
>>737342839It's literally the same issue. They don't want you to move around the world in interesting ways.
>>737344609Also forgot to mention that the Bakumatsu era is the best part of the game I think. They really should have scrapped the time-travel storyline and set the entire game during the Bakumatsu period. (Why are nips so obsessed with time travel in their stories btw?)
>>737344727Why did they tell THE EXACT SAME STORY as nioh 2
>>737340417adds multiple NG+ cycles, new enemies, different level layouts, and the Underworld but sureand Odachi/Fists being ez mode doesn't suddenly not make them content added via DLC and I beat the game with 2kat + Axe anyway
>>737330247Parryslop completely ruined any dynamic the player could've had with the relationship between Samurai/Ninja. Samurai is very clearly superior to Ninja. "Let me just infinite parry everything and do sword of meditation/living artifact set-ups to one-shots every boss."Positioning? Hit stun? Dying? Who has time for consequences like that? Nioh has always had a hard time balancing its RPG elements with its action elements but Nioh 3 went so far that it's kind of hard to really consider it an action game.
>>737345072>living artifactkek, that shit is so ass for anything but popping right before a lethal hitStop larping and go play some video games.
It was funny that they let you explore where the crucible was in the first region even though there was nothing in it except a shrine and a single cat. Then for every crucible after that they just locked it off so you cant go in the areas without replaying the mission
>>737345127>T. never played Nioh 3
>>737344829because they wanted to shit out another game in a completed story
>>737330247I finished the game last week, had a lot of fun, now I will wait for the Complete Edition
>>737344675Yeah I'm just thinking it'd be less obnoxious if you clearly knew where the invisible walls are.Sometimes you can do platforming, most of the time you can't.
>>737330247It was fine. But the save system is dog shit.
>>737330461No, it's pretty faithful to the faggy NG style of gameplay where you're constantly darting around and spamming your best move(s), only Nioh is rarely about fighting more than one guy at a time, so you're just rapidly dashing around one target instead of zipping around the arena.
>>737345127Which with sword of meditation, is every hit.I like it. The most fun I had with nioh 3 was sword of meditation. But that's as much because the rest of the combat mechanics were pretty medicore so the most fun was chunking a boss with BIG DAMAGE
I haven't even bothered with 3 because I know that shit's not done until Complete comes out but the idea that the Nioh games are hard past like the first five or so hours just isn't true, you'll get walled by something early then beat it then you get access to the rest of the game's mechanics and suddenly everything is way easier with the odd difficulty spike
>>737330247Nah it was great. When the first expansion drops later this year will be goty.
>>737345127You seem to have an IQ below 80
>>737330247It's the same mediocre game as the other two, as well as the other identical games like them that Team Ninja cranks out.
>>737330732Nah 3 is genuinely pretty good
I don't know why people are pretending it failed. This is a shitpost on the level of "Fighting game lost 85% of users after 3 weeks" like damn only 85% would be amazing
>>737337820Nioh 3 is designed to be play how you want which is what I appreciate. Its like DMC I like that you can beat the entire game on DK without ever learning a good juggle
>>737330247nope, the game is great but as the others have stated it is impossible to surpass Nioh 2
>>737339958To be honest the changes in NG+ are actually a lot more than I expected from NG+ given the previous games.Also it's weird they don't have a boss rush for the area 1 masters
Nioh 3 is such a fantastic game and the worst thing about it is the performance and the Jailer Onis.But the game is such a joy to play that I can look past the Jailer Oni and just brute force the performance to enjoy it properly. And once the DLC comes out it'll get even better.
>>737340430>That picFunny enough I realize Himiko actually does more than Mumyo in game. I mean yes Mumyo helped William wake Hide up but still bitch just disappears
>>737330247Yeah, it’s woke trash. Sales prove it.
I though Nioh 3 was great. Not quite as good as 2 but better than anything they made after 2.>t. not an inbred brownoid with a 2005 PC
>>737347686That just means you have bad taste. Rise of the Ronin is so much better than Nioh 3 it's not even funny.
>>737347734In what way is RotR better than Nioh 3?
>>737347759If you are a contrarian faggot maybe. Troonin was pure parry slop slopen world shitshow.
>>737347623>SalesKT literally just increased their projected earnings for this paat quarter and the only things they released were nioh 3 and the fatal frame 2 remake
>>737348269It's the same thing every time with these retarded faggots>game comes out>THIS GAME SUCKS IT'S WOKE TRANNY JEET SLOP PREVIOUS GAME IS SO MUCH BETTER>new game comes out>THIS GAME SUCKS IT'S WOKE TRANNY JEET SLOP PREVIOUS GAME IS SO MUCH BETTER
>>737348386Fatal Frame 2 sweeped and Nioh 3 flopped
Nioh 3 is the fastest selling Nioh game...it just stopped for some reason lol
>>737330247nioh games are not good anybody who's played one and isn't a friendless autist trying to waste his own time knows this already if you are forcing yourself to play nioh you should get a real hobby that isn't lapping piss off a japanese urinal
>>737337820Morale is a dogshit mechanic and it alone makes Wo Schlong worse than Nioh 3.
>>737349571And so is the ninja/sam split and gutted weapons.
>>737349595Even the "gutted" ninja weapons offer more gameplay and have more varied movesets than any weapon in Wo Long besides maybe the whip.
>>737348591Soulsclone era is over, that's why From is trying to make a substitute by ressurrecting Armored Bore and making the coop shit. Fucking Khazan was praised non stop until it turned ot that it flopped and the devs got ACKed.
I's starting to think that the majority of N3 haters are butthurt troonfa fags...
>>737349667Okay
>>737349725Unlike Nexon, KT actually knows how to manage budgets and expectations. Nioh 3 was likely made for dirt cheap and has made its money back already.
>>737349763The fuck is "troonfa"?
>>737348386Pokopia was the one printing money. Nioh 3 sure didn’t.
>>737349857Tonfa
>>737349857I think he's trying to say tonfa but being a subhuman about it.He's also wrong as a tonfa main I cannot feasibly see why you'd hate nioh 3. It's frankly somehow stronger than 2 in vacuum even without stances. Mind you some human bosses feel bad because they cheat ki regen.I'm leaning his complaint more hits true with fist users.
>>737349972Why would they be butthurt? Tonfa is absurdly good in Nioh 3. It's the splitstaff fags that should be butthurt cause that weapon got the short end of the stick (heh).
>>737349725>Soulsclone era is overBullshit.Armored Bore sold like 1/10th of Elden Ring. Their coop shit (Nightrein) is still soulslop at its core. People also seem to be very excited for Lords of the Fallen 2 and Mortal Shell 2 which are both sequels to quite bad games. Traditional action games like Ninja Gaiden 4 have been flopping way harder than new soulslop.
>>737345072How is having a frew defense option not an action game that's basically DMC
Nioh 3 is good, just not as exceptional as Nioh 2. The open world design was a mistake too as I burned out really hard in the middle of Act 2 and never finished the game.
So what do you anons think they'll do for Nioh 4?>stick to open world or go back to missions>go back to samurai only or double down on styles, perhaps adding more styles like Onmyo>some unexplored time period or Sengoku againAnd before anyone says>THERE WONT BE A NIOH 4 CAUSE NIOH 3... LE FLOPPEDThey are now making a sequel to Dead or Alive, whose last game peaked at 2k players on Steam.
>>737337703Thanks
>>737350902Since they just just lag 3-4 years behind Fromsoft, i'm expecting a friendslop extraction roguelite action game with fixed heros.
>>737350902They already didn't particularly want to make 3, and it shows. Just make a sci-fi spin-off at this point, with youkai and all. Since they're not doing NG anyway. Would definitely feel fresh if nothing else.
>>737351510Reminder that if they make any non Nioh action in a new setting with new assets it would launch with like 10 different enemy types. The reason Nioh games can have a lot of enemies is because they just recycle shit from the previous games.
>>737351617Just recolor the existing enemies in cyberpunk colors and put some pipes an wires on them
>>737347759Looks better.Open world offers more freedom.Better story.Actually difficult on Dusk.Midnight mode gives great incentive to redo parts of the open world.
>>737351897>Looks better.no>Open world offers more freedom.ROTR's open world is even more shitty and feels like a Ubislop game>Better story.trueThe main advantage ROTR has over Nioh is it feels like more of an RPG so if you prefer story based RPGs, you'll probably like it more.
>>737351897>Looks better.Debatable>Open world offers more freedom.Ronin's open world is a lot more boring cause all you can find in it are generic human bandit enemies and sometimes a generic human miniboss. The only interesting thing is the handful of unique bosses like Martial Heir and Not-William.>Better storyBoth suck dick>Actually difficult on Dusk.Game is just as easy as Nioh 3 in the open world and the only hard part about it are a few bosses.>Midnight mode gives great incentive to redo parts of the open world.By the time you get there you need to be insane to not get bored of fighting the same human bandits to even engage with it.Also you're missing the most important thing that Ronin has much worse and more limited combat and enemy variety in a game where fighting enemies is something you'll be doing 95% of the time.
>>737352168If you think Nioh 3 looks like anything but rancid dogshit then you're too stupid to have a conversation with me.
>>737352354cope
>>737352354Why don't you go and zoom in on those textures in Ronin?
>>737352525>thinking the issue is the textures>even worse, thinking anything there is zoomedMaximus Retardius.
>>737352354>>737352964Nigger you posted some schizo-edit of 2 perfectly normal screenshots expecting people to somehow have any idea what you're trying to say with it. Take your meds.
>>737339130I pirated it because of that reason.
>"The game looks bad">post screenshot to show how bad it looks>"WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY??!?!?!?!"LOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>737330247These games are just too arcadey and low effort. It's like they're not even try to hide that fact
>>737330247I enjoyed the game a lot, but I feel that it was way too easy. My only real gripe with it is that it feels a bit lacking in content compared to 1 and especially 2. But that might just be my perception as a PC player since 1 and 2 only got ported once they had all their DLC, which isn't the case this time around due to 3 releasing simultanously on all platforms. Not sure if the base versions of 1 and 2 were comparable in terms of content.
>>737330447what kinda metric is that. is a grindy korean F2P MMO more full and complete than say sekiro?
>>737330247I enjoyed it, but they fucked up the balancing of the game and the performance is horrendous despite the game looking quite bad. The game is also too long foot how little visual variety every zone past the first one has, which is a shame since I enjoyed the level design in the bakumatsu era the most but the entire area was covered in purple spiky vomit.
>>737354497Modern /v/ mostly consists of brown zoomers who think gacha slop is the peak of video games and would unironically answer yes to this question
>>737330247it's a good game, but open world was a giant mistake. i didn't even bother with ng+what sucks is that deflections are so fucking good that i can't go back to nioh 2, even though that's an objectively better game
>>737353452That's just a bunch of made up buzzwords that mean literally nothing you mongoloid NPCTry getting a real opinion for once
>>737353452>too arcadeyThat was always the appeal of Nioh. I don't think /v/ really likes the term very much, but Nioh has always been praised for being as arcadey as it is.
I like Nioh 2 more but I'm not truly comparing the two until 3's DLCs are out. I had plenty of fun with baseline 3. Don't really see the big deal. It definitely needed better enemy variety and I'm crushed by what they did to my baby splitstaff, but the game just ain't done yet.
>>737357601the open world was a massive mistake
>>737357769Worked on my machine. Never really was a fan of the menu based mission structure anyway. Works much better for side missions, not literally every single mission in the game.
>>737357769The break up of the weapons to ninja/samurai was a mistake. They even proved in the same game that they could've had both modes use the same weapons with different attacks since both sword, dual sword, and fists have unique attacks and skill trees for both modes. Instead hatchets, splitstaff, and kusarigama got gutted and shoved to the ninja isle.
>>737330329I agree.
>>737330247Nah, Nioh 3 is a side grade. It stands on it own. Can't say the same for Dragon's Disappointment 2, thought.
>>737334016Based.
>>737337703>casualize the game and turn it into boring dogshit>original nioh fans drop the game>"p-please come back, we add more challenging content"Nah, get fucked Modern Team Ninja you retarded ugly pieces of shit. If you want me to come back, fire Hayashit and Yasuda immediately and give Team Ninja new leadership + drop the yearly release of games cycle/approach to game development that you have now. Release 1 game every 2-3 years so the quality doesn't suffer.
>>737337998>Is DD2 worth it
>>737337998>Is DD2 worth it or
>>737337998>Is DD2 worth it or should I
>>737358239Based
>Ni-Oh 1: Hard as balls, hardest soulslike, recurring regular enemies are basically run-ending minibosses, and the bosses wall you for hours, extremely thrilling>Ni-Oh 2: Dumbed down for the casuals, tons of new powers for the MC while the enemies are the same or nerfed with nothing to compensate, OK but unsatisfying>Ni-Oh 3: HURR DURR WE WANT THE TURBOCASUAL AUDIENCE
I "admitted" it was shit as soon as they announced the corny "hot swap between shamooroi and neejah", and that there were no, proper ranged classes. I could barely tolerate the shoverlware for a couple of hours before going back to '2' / another game.>when you're all out of ideas and just don't want to do a second, straight rehash of a game people had no problems with
>>737358460>bosses wall you for hoursThe only bosses in Nioh 1 that took me more than 1-2 attempts were Nue and the random spearman dude.
>>737358314>>737358343"It FEELS like co-op" has to have been the biggest troll Crapcom have pulled since "SF6 is a spiritual successor to Third Strike".
>>737330732>samurai/ninja mechanic seemed like a lame gimmick>faux open world seemed lame>ran like shit while looking hideous>also didn't finish Nioh 1 or Nioh 2, so why bother?Other than not pirating it, you're literally me.
>>737330247I liked the game but I'll wait for the 2 expansions before giving an opinion. Wo Long was trash on release too but got much better after a year.
I thought it was really fun though
>>737358239>THE parryslop game and its spin-off, stagger core 6Almost as pathetic as thinking it would be a good idea to make this image at all.
>>737331446>just make for an actively worse Nioh experiencehow do they do that
>>737330247I was so appalled by the demo I forgot it even came out, and I played over 1000 hours across both Niohs.Fucking piece of shit.
Lot of complaints about it, but I like the open world aspect of Nioh 3 myself, you don't see too many feudal era Japan games that have that, and it's not an empty sprawling world like it was in Rise of Ronin (though I enjoyed that game too), it's more compact in design and in a way feels more like a 3D metroidvania similar to Lords of Shadow 2. I also like how ninja mode is designed to look and feel like you're playing as a ninja, but I can see how some people are annoyed by it because of how it takes away some of the weapons they liked to use in past games and gives it a bit of a different control scheme (no stance switching and no ki pulse).
>>737358460https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvbzYlJTwYk
>>737333992The people who liked those games are long gone from this board. It's all haters and fromsoft drones now. Hell, I doubt even half of the people who posted in all those nice Nioh 2 threads 6 years ago are still in these threads.
>>737333992are those even fun to play? i saw neptunia gameplay and it was abysmal
>>737330247worse than dd2 by far, at least dd2 improved on the adventure/pawn system nioh 3 improved on literally nothing
>>737330479Keep making excuses for TN, the 2 superior spin offs were made so they could experiment with what to add to Nioh 3 but those retards didn't improve shit.
>>737348591All fucking games are like this nowadays. Requiem sold 5 million in 5 days, has 10k players while RE4 has 30k. Nioh 3 sold a lot and it has the same players as Nioh 2.Everyone hypes these games up, people buy it, play it and realize they're complete shit and go back to the older ones.
the open world was a massive mistakethe parry was a massive mistakethe spam abilities for free with super armor forever was a massive mistakethe katana engine was a massive mistakei can't believe i wasted money on it and it was so bad i couldn't even bring myself to finish the game, i checked out after finishing the second area and the timeskip with that red bossand their free update next week is just shitty boss rushes? fuck you team ninja pieces of shit
>>737330247Can't run this shit without grainy graphics. Can't even tell apart which attacks are grabs and which are just random bullshit visual effect particles.
>>737330247Honestly yeah, but it didn't feel as bad as DD2 because I didn't expect much from Nioh team
the worst part about the frost moon mechanic is how it removes all skill, you just mash skills over and over and switch stances no thought behind it you do a skill then double switch stance and repeat until the enemy dies in 5 secondsabsolute travesty of a game you need to be the biggest brainwashed nioh fan to even say you like it
>>737362514I get why you might not like it because it is really really powerful, but in what way does Frost Moon remove skill? What does it have to do with spamming martial skills? You can use it with normal attacks in the same way. You can also just spam skills in Nioh 1 and 2 if you want. Frost Moon is just a new move that works independently of others.
>>737363616Isn't Frost Moon the bar that fills up that lets you chain skills into one another forever? You just fill it up and do RB+A A, do a skill, RB+B B, and so on. It's way too easy to chain skills until the enemy dies
>>737330247They basically gave up on making an actual Nioh game for their existing customers. Open world, trivialized difficulty. It's not DD2 bad, just mediocre>>737362171Yeah this happens a lot lately. Sequels unable to surpass their originals is far from unheard of, but definitely became the outright norm
>>737353452What fucking arcade games have you been playing? Do you know what an arcade game is?
>>737363805Frost Moons are the attacks you execute on stance switch, Arts Proficiencywhatever is your cum gauge (milk gauge if female)
>>737363805That's Martial Arts Proficiency. Frost Moon are the new attacks on flux.
>>737363940At the end of the day, they're a business, and most video game consumers are casuals. You make shit too hard and you risk having a low audience, which is weird thing for me to say considering how popular FromSoft games are despite the claims of how difficult those games are.
>>737364437True, but sometimes aiming for casuals backfires because you lose your current customers but don't actually get the casuals you want
>>737330247Its funny. My buddy and I are big Nioh 1&2 fans and both our other buddy likes watching high level gameplay but didnt want to play them because he doesnt like the mission structure. Nioh 3 comes out and I tough it out while my buddy hates how boring it is and quit after the third area. Meanwhile our buddy plays the demo and is excited TN made a Nioh for him then proceeds to not even pirate or buy it. I have finally witnessed the "a game for everyone is a game for no one meme" in real life.
>>737364054>>737364034Then yeah my bad I meant the cum gauge. Frost Moon skills are fine but you can tell they were made so that you can use the cum gauge really easily
>>737365045Frost Moon skills are garbage and ruin the flow of combat, it becomes spammy nonsense, in previous games, taking a moment ofr the perfect ki-pulse when possible, added a flow to the combat that is very immersive.Fuck Nioh 3 and everything it stands for. Fuck Modern Team Ninja.
>>737345072Nioh was never an action game. It is, and always will be, a hack and slash rpg, a Diablo-like
Pretending nioh 2 dlc is good is insanely laughable, the first one reuses maps from nioh 1 in a MAIN MISSION, the second dlc is actually solid, and the third they blatantly ran out of time since you just fight otakemaru two more fucking times and the level design itself is so ass.
>>737365289I think you have no idea how Nioh combat works if you really believe Frost Moon ruins it. What the fuck do you mean "immersive", that's the first time I've ever seen that word be used for Nioh combat.
>>737365289I hate to break it to you but the meta in nioh was never to perfect ki pulse it was always to flux spam, flux regains the lost ki from not waiting. I do agree that frost moon is lame and fucks with the flow of combat but not because muh perfect ki
>>737362514Nioh was never a skillful series, dsp took less than ten minutes to kill le epic filter hino enma
>>737365602The First Samurai DLC has mom and Nyotengu so it is 10/10. Also the theme song is kino.
>>737365736you don't need skill to beat nioh but you could be skillful, the cum gauge makes it so that everyone can look high level by just mashing random skills constantly
>>737365289You are being too emotional about this to realise that your precious ki management died with soul core cancels. If you think Nioh 2 couldn't get spammy at higher level play you are delusional, hell, high level Nioh 2 footage looks sped up in comparison to 3's samurai gameplay.
I'm genuinely peeved they removed so many Yokai in a game in desperate need of enemy variety. They literally just had to copy-paste them. It's obvious they're holding them back just to re-sell them as DLC later.
>>737363805The Martial Arts proficiency is the little ball that fills up and you use to use heavy/active skills at reduced cost but increased damage. That's the thing that kind of reduces what you can and can't do in Samurai while it's active. The moment you do even a single light attack, it ends the MA mode, whereas spamming heavies and active skills will keep it going. Meaning the total number of possible actions you can do while MA mode is active is less and often sometimes too risky, but you don't want to waste the mode so you'll end up doing it anyway to keep the mode going for as long as possible. It's a mini super mode that is incredibly spammable, and practically harkens back to the permanent Living Weapon builds in Nioh 1.
>>737365649>What the fuck do you mean "immersive"When I am perfect ki-pulsing I am not attacking, there is a flow to attacking and not attacking that makes it immersive.>>737365671>I hate to break it to you but the meta in nioh was never to perfect ki pulse it was always to flux spamYou can use both as you see fit.>your precious ki management died with soul core cancelsNioh 1 exists.
>>737366107>They literally just had to copy-paste themNope, because of the open-field, terrain difference, jumping etc. they had to alter their AI and it would be too much effort, it wasn't an option to just copy-paste them. Fuck the open-field, fuck the dedicated jump button, fuck Nioh 3.
>>737365874>your precious ki management died with soul core cancelsNioh 1 exists.
>>737330247why is /v/ like this? is it because it's not made by from software? Nioh 3 will easily be goty this year. Just y'all wait.
>>737366146I did not mention yokai abilities in my post and I was exclusively referring to nioh 1
>>737366397Ignore the second part, it was meant for another anon: >>737366306
Just wait until they release the only 2 DLCs planned. Its going to blow your socks off - everything will be fixed and it will be better than N1 and N2 in everyway.
>>737365874Maybe I liked that kind of high speed action combat, you ever think of that? Nioh 3 couldn't even give us a respectable replacement to the yokai abilities because most of the Guardian Spirit skills are either kind of bad, too slow to use as burst counters, and often lacking in significant damage. That each one is strictly limited to 2 active skills at all is a damn shame. That all the soul cores returned as a means to get the onmyo magic back and as a crap summon felt like a slap in the face. The devs could've easily come up with some kind of justification for why Takechiyo can use them, or let them alter the GS skills, but that didn't happen.
>>737330295It ends on a cliff hanger to bait DLC and a ton of mechanics are missing because they've been held back as well.It's as far from complete as it will ever be
>>737364754"I don't like the mission structure" is the weirdest fucking complaintPeople are apparently completely turned off by having an overworld map but then get flashbanged as soon as Nioh 3 serves up infinite draw distance "see that mountain? you can climb it" screenshots, even when the level design is abysmal to nonexistent in all but a few places
>>737340271cool but then I'll have paid $120 for Nioh 3 when Nioh 2 with DLC was $50
>>737366819People who like open-world games are subhumans.All open-world games are garbage.
>>737366992t. Main Character
>>737366992The worst thing is that I knew that 3 was going to suck as soon as they announced it being open world but I still did it to myself.Maybe the DLC will actually salvage the game, but I doubt it
>>737366819>>737366992He loves open world games. He plays fighters but cant get enough of Spiderman 2 and RDR2 etc. Nioh 3 was what he has been wanting from TN for years and didnt even buy or pirate it lmao.
>>737367164All you can do now is learn from your mistake and move on.I learned the hard way with Elden Ring, didn't repeat the same mistake with Nioh 3, only used the Nioh 3 demo to verify my prediction.
>>737367164Always pirate TN games first. Always. And now you know if any game decides to go into open world ubislop you blacklist that company on the spot.
>>737330247This game was great. Uninstalled until all DLC releases though.
>>737330447by that logic crimson desert is the most complete game out of the 3
>>737366992>>737367164Nioh 3's still a lot more structured than other open world games. You can't run through later areas for strong equipment like in Elden Ring, and it's nothing like RDR or Ubisoft games. I still prefer the mission structure from the first two games, but complaints about the open world gameplay in Nioh 3 are pretty overblown. The main problems with the game are the difficulty and almost half the weapons losing their stances.
>>737366397You mean the game where everyone ran infinite living weapon builds? The thing that gives you infinite ki?
>>737367839Its everything combined that ruins the experience. The open barren hubs fuck up the AIs where they get stuck constantly and the open barren design is responsible for ruining some of the tight combat flow versus tight corridors and rooms.
>>737330295There are some game systems are missing from 2, and tons of old bosses are reused for no apparent reason. Plus there are literally updates and DLCs in the making, the game is literally not finished yet.
>>737367839Any time I was playing something that felt similar to a Nioh 2 mission, it was always over way too soon, like half the length of something in 2.And while you can meme that playing the same map backwards or at night with stronger enemies wasn't good variety, it was a lot more than Nioh 3 had to offer.Every other location in 3 isn't even worth mentioning since it was always Zelda BotW outpost tier with a bunch of hair guarded by some gakis and maybe a jailer oni
