I just beat this game and I honestly can't for the life of me understand why it's so universally praised as one of the best games ever. I'm honestly half wondering if I played a different version of the game from everyone else, like a prototype or something, or I somehow accidentally skipped like half the story scenes or something, because the whole thing is such a disjointed, barely coherent mess half the time that I could barely understand what was going on or why. I get part of that is because the translation obviously sucks balls, but it's not like the previous games were much better on that front and I could still understand them fine.Also Sephiroth might be the most pathetic final boss I've ever seen lmao, I beat him before he even got to do anything. I did go and power up to beat the Weapons beforehand, but even fucking Chaos put up more of a fight
>>737352838Just wait until you get to Chrono Nigger
It's a fun little shonen anime but in game form. Awesome characters and bosses. What more do you want op, it's a jarpig
>>737352838>I followed guides to get OP >the final boss was so lameLooking everything up online is what really killed gaming
you wouldn't get it zoomer
>>737352838Safer Sephiroth can be a joke depending on what your party looks like. for example casting Knights of the Round on Jenova gives Safer Sephiroth 80k more HP, and for every character at 99 he gets a bunch of stats too. so if you don't do either of these things but still got pretty strong, the boss just kind of flops over. as for the plot I liked it, obvious translation issues aside it made sense to me when I played it as a literal child so this might just be a skill issue on your part.
>>737353151You can read the Iliad 3000 years later and it still holds up today. Games like Wizardry and IHNMAIMS are just as good as they were 45/30 years ago.
>>737352838>I honestly can't for the life of me understand why it's so universally praised as one of the best games everIt's basically the millennials version of E33. Sure, it's a good game, but the reason it is so universally praised is because it was the first story game (i.e. JRPG) that was played by people who do not traditionally play games. In FFVII's era, it was people who either just started playing vidya for the first time or who had only previously played shit like Mario or maybe Goof Troop, and this was the first story game they played so it was the best ever. Same thing with E33. A bunch of people who have only ever played Fortnite or Minecraft or Roblox played E33 as their very first story game and they were completely blown away. In both cases, VII and E33, people who were seasoned JRPG veterans at the time of their release thought they were good, because they are good, but they're just not as good as their reputation leads you to believe if you are more experience with the medium.
>>737352838>I could barely understand what was going on or whyYou're genuinely mentally retarded. Even the 12-year olds who played it back in 1997 grasped the plot. Never play FF8. You'd harm your brain trying to use it.
>>737353242E33 is a 7/10, maybe even 8/10 JRPG (using real scale where 5/10 is the average, not the journo scale), I love that the world map made a return. Where it shines is the art direction, heavily inspired by surrealist painters, and in its cinematography + acting. Conveying information through body language, facial expressions, silence rather wordy dialogue is where E33 really innovates. That, and Nier Gestalt-tier soundtrack.There's a great writeup here about E33's influences https://www.pointnthink.fr/en/the-art-of-clair-obscur-expedition-33/
>>737353159That might be it, I went out of my way to avoid casting Knights of the Round specifically so as not to kill him immediately, and I was about level 96 or so on everyoneI probably should have unequipped the quad attack Materia too>>737353106I wound up 10 times more OP in VI practically by accident and Kefka still felt like an actually satisfying fight
>>737353473>E33 is a 7/10, maybe even 8/10 JRPG (using real scale where 5/10 is the average, not the journo scale)Yeah, I agree. A 7/10 game is not good enough to win every single award, ever. It was more shilled than The Last of Us 2. Let that sink in.
>>737353557you alllow meaningless game awards during an advertisement show take up too much headspace anon.
>>737353557I never cared about journoids or the game awards. If the game is bad, I'll shit on it. If the game is good, I'll shill it (for free). Speaking of, play Astlibra.
>>737353592No, I really don't. 4chan still sucks E33's cock pretty hard. You go into any E33 thread and it's just people calling each other brown because no one is allowed to say it's anything less than a 10/10. This is what the hivemind does, and a game winning every single award facilitates that.
>>737352838>because the whole thing is such a disjointed, barely coherent mess half the time that I could barely understand what was going on or why.Zoomers are illiterate.>I did go and power up to beat the Weapons beforehandWow, you beat the superbosses that were stronger than the final boss, and somehow, didn't realize that the final boss, would be weaker than the superbosses that are stronger than the final boss.
>>737352838>because the whole thing is such a disjointed, barely coherent mess half the time that I could barely understand what was going on or why.You being retarded is hardly the games fault.
>>737353830>Go into shitpost thread>get namecalled>THIS MUST BE GEOFF KEIGHLEY'S FAULThmmmm I think my intital assessment stands
>>737353883>Wow, you beat the superbosses that were stronger than the final boss, and somehow, didn't realize that the final boss, would be weaker than the superbosses that are stronger than the final boss.It's not like I expected him to be difficult, but I expected him to at least do literally anything before keeling over
>>737353975Well suffice to say you were under a grave misapprehension. Nothing in the entire game is comparable to Emerald and Ruby Weapons. If you can beat them, everything else just falls over. If you wanted to fight Sephiroth and see him be scary, do a low level challenge.
>>737353965You're the only one who said anything about Geoff Keighley. E33 won *every* award. Ever. Not just the awards that you happen to be obsessed with. This helps facilitate the hivemind that thinks they need to love a game and that they're on the right side of history just because a game won every award. It also doesn't help that the false small indie dev studio narrative follows them. Look, if E33 fans hasn't already become easily the worst fanbase in all of vidya, I wouldn't even care that it won every single award, but you have to look at all the ingredients that makes a fanbase terrible when you talk about how terrible they are.
>>737353473I'd give E33 a 9/10. They did a really good job of demonstrating there is still absolutely a market for the 3 niggers in a row genre with a good story behind it.If I were to be harsh:>Inputs are not always right, especially with 'jump' dodges>Picto menu is a mess>Some of the late game feels rushed if you don't do side contentI really enjoyed it.
For me it is mostly the soundtrackhttps://youtu.be/ctR4PQ3hnIs
What does the Lifestream even do?
>>737354061the fanbase is literally fine, you just got rattled by being called a bozo on 4channel.org. most threads I've gone into to discuss the game have gone fine, you just lack the skills to figure out what's a shitpost thread or not I'm afraid.
it's impossible to beat weapon or get knights of round without a guide.Like how the hell can anyone even figure it out?
>>737354162It has now become apparent to me that you have taken offense because I am personally describing (You)
>>737354239whatever you gotta tell yourself man, I think the game is just ok personally. I thought the level design was too linear and personally parrying got tiresome towards the end, and the reward for parrying was too good to NOT go for it, especially when retrying a fight was seamless. you just need to learn how to pick your fights or how to gauge a thread's quality before trying to engage in actual discussion.
>>737354341There is no discussion of E33 that occurs.
>>737354430skill issue I'm afraid. I was in a thread just yesterday talking about the Desandre family and how Aline's obsession with the painting got worse thanks to Renoir's interference and attempted destruction of it. protip: if the OP had the black and white verso image from Maelle's ending with some kind of text about it, it's a shitpost thread.
>>737354202>Like how the hell can anyone even figure it out?The Chocobo Sage literately just tells you everything if you keep talking to him.
>>737354202You can brute force the weapons pretty easily if you make the intuitive connection of Final Attack + Phoenix and figure out that Aire Tam Storm puts a materia cap on your characters.
>>737354550Anon, you keep demonstrating that you are the exact person I was originally describing. I'm just gonna leave the thread before you start melting down and calling everyone brown because you got triggered, started fantasizing about Geoff Keighley, and are already mad because 2 different people have called E33 a 7/10 game.
>>737354596No casual player without a guide is getting the final attack materia to begin with.
>>737354643>you're mad people called it a bad game despite you yourself thinking the game is just ok and outlined exactly why previouslyI'm starting to think you are the one who doesn't want actual discussion of the game you just want a "every game is bad" circlejerk. in which case I'm STILL confused, because those threads very much outweigh the actual discussion threads.
>>737354730You're dong a lot of projecting, anon. Especially when I already said E33 is good. It's just not *that* good. Just like VII wasn't (and isn't) *that* good. You got so lost in the sauce because you got triggered that someone said E33 isn't a 10/10 that you don't even remember what triggered you. You haven't called anyone brown yet though, so kudos to you, though I suspect that might only be because I already made meta commentary on it. >because those threads very much outweigh the actual discussion threads.There are no E33 discussion threads.
>>737354881it must be tough being an illiterate paranoid schizo. good luck with that
>>737355013It's so obvious that you wanted to call me brown but you had to restrain yourself and resort to this because you couldn't allow yourself to give me the Perfect victory.
>>737355092>perfect victorywe can now add loser who cares about 4chan victories to your many titles. keep it up the bad work, those ghosts aren't gonna fight themselves!
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>>737355194I hope for your sake this entire exchange was bait, if not I pity whoever cares for you.
>>737352838I was obsessed with FF7 from it's release up until about 2000, so I'm not just a hater. It's a solid JRPG, it just hasn't aged super well. Its biggest problem is there's a lot of artificial playtime from excess random battles and the story is convoluted and honestly not all that interesting. Shit was absolute KINO back in the day, but I wouldn't ever call it the greatest game ever anymore or even the best JRPG. Still a solid game though but yeah, a bit overhyped at this point.
All this because someone said E33 was a 7/10.
>>737352838I remember very little of this game but I remember ff8 rather vividly. Must've been due to triple triad.
>>737355494FFX honestly aged more gracefully.
>>737355494I dunno I think it's aged quite well outside of the graphics. The story isn't all that convoluted and the encounter rate is perfectly balanced to keep you going with the game's level curve. The endgame grind can be a pain if you want to 99 everyone though same with some leveling some Materia, and chocobo racing for birds is a pain but someone linked to me a guide to breed a gold bird with no racing required which is pretty sweet.
>>737355764you're going to be on your death bed remembering the time you got called a brown in an E33 thread and that makes me very sad for you
>>737355494Thing is it was the first JRPG for a lot of people including me, sort of a gateway drug that got you on a journey of discovery and often overshadowed by more hardcore stuff but you still have a fond memory of that first high. For me I played Grandia a year later and found it to be far superior (too bad 2 ruined the series immediately), but I never would have even given it a notice without having played and loved FF7 first. Sadly a lot of millenials never explored beyond FF and made 7 the foundation of their entire identity and clung onto it like mommy's apron even when AC dropped and showed how Squeenix had nothing good planned for the franchise. We'll see their final boiled down and crystallized form in those who end up buying the last part of the remake series.
He finally did it.
OP is a fag and pic related is the greatest twist in gaming
>>737354119It powers my TV
>>737352838You're coming to it with the hindsight of all the things that were inspired by and built off of it, so yeah it will seem underwhelming. At the time it came out it was unbelievable.
>>737352838You had to be thereYou are 30ish years too late
I thought E33 was alright. Solid 7 or 8, but I am nearly 40. If I played E33 when I was 13 it would be my favourite game of all time probably.
>>737354119Lil bro, there's an entire segment of the game dedicated to both explaining and showing you exactly what it is and why Shinra extracting and converting it to energy is directly killing the planet. How did you miss it?
>Final boss is easy when you grind for the super bossesWhat did he mean by this?
I've loved it since first playing in the 90s but it does have some pretty glaring problems with the story, especially in the latter half. The game's story peaks with the big twist >>737356806 mentions. To that point of the game, it was a very well paced thriller/mystery. This was cinematic storytelling that hadn't been done before.Outside of Cloud's character arc though, the story is messy. People shit on the Remake series for actually addressing a lot of the OG's weaknesses. The characters are all doing a lot more than just introducing themselves then disappearing into the background and they've given Sephiroth more presence as an antagonist.Remake and Rebirth covered the stronger part of FF7 (disc 1), I'm hoping that their tinkering with the story leads to a much stronger disc 2-3 portion. They've mentioned that nailing the Cloud reveal was their main focus but hopefully there are many other satisfying payoffs than "okay, now lets kill sephiroth. The end"
>>737357451It's so weird to me seeing and hearing of people struggling with the final boss of FFX because I have never played through it without pivoting off to do side-content before getting back to the end being way too overpowered. I read reviews where people complain about the "insane difficulty spike", feel like I've missed out on something.
>>737352838I played VII for the first time like 5 years ago and it was amazing and enthralled me. X is the FF game Idg the hype for.Oh and you beat the postgame content before the last boss so yeah it was easy bc ypu did it wrong.
>>737352838I think the game kinda ages badly, but probably during the PS1 times this was the top.The non-gameplay aspects like story, music, etc... Are still great though.
>>737357379I'm nearing 30 and it's easily in my top 5. I think the problem lies in the mindset people have, if you approach vidya bitter and jaded, then no matter how good the game is, you'll end up at most tolerating it. If you approach it with an open mind and childish whimsy, you'll be more willing to overlook games' flaws and see their beauty. I remember my uni days when I thought vidya died and there's nothing good left to be made, I'd grown numb to the artistic experience.
>>737358478Mid-30s, I went in to that game optimistic and hated it. Didn't care for the story, hated the gameplay and disliked the artistic direction they were going for.Rebirth resparked my childlike joy for videogames and I went in to the Remake series with very low expectations. I generally agree with your point on confirmation bias but in this case of these 2 specific games, the opposite has been true for me.
>>737358759>artistic directionI can't picture anyone disliking it, but I'm a bleeding heart with a soft spot for surrealism and striking art direction. And they say that there’s nothing so loathsome as a sentimental surrealist.
>>737359125I find it ugly. It makes sense given the dream/canvas setting but I don't like looking at it, it's too noisy and chaotic. It seems to be a growing problem in the industry that more=better. The OST is similarly over the top even when it needs to be. Not everything must be minimalist but there is an art to restraint. I also found Elden Ring to be a mostly ugly game for similar reasons which seemed to upset people a lot.
>>737352838It's my favorite game ever. Played it on release and play it at least once a year since. The twist is the greatest moment in game history and I still get goosebumps for the Clouds memories section and reveal. Also has good pacing and moves at a good clip for replays. There really isn't a part if the game I dont enjoy. Maybe glacier I guess. Cloud + Tifa is a great romance with just the right amount of development unlike later JRPGs that drown it long cringe scenes that just make you hate the pair. Great music. Fun materia system. I usually switch playthroughs each time between OG and a modded version that is still pretty faithful. Ie NT, SAC, ninostyle chibi, etc. Echo S is utter shit.The remakes are such complete trash it's unbelievable. For every 1 thing they get right they rape 3 others. Fuck them.All that being said I don't care if FF7 is considered a masterpiece or if new players think it's overrated. Different strokes.
>>737359470>The remakes are such complete trash it's unbelievable. For every 1 thing they get right they rape 3 others. Fuck them.t. guy that plays OG with mods
>>737352838Did you rush through the plot? Honestly, if you don't fall in love with Aerith like Cloud did then the first big twist and the ending won't be as impactful for you.
