Every JRPG
>>737361109Every single game you tard Name a superboss that is easier than the final boss. You literally can't
Pokemon Heartgold. I made quick work of Lance using my Feraligatr which knew Ice Fang and Surf. Red on the other hand...
>>737361109Most games. The final boss is generally thematic, optional bosses can be a stupid as you like because they arent even necessary to reaching the credits, so they can be practically unbeatable if you really wanted.
>>737361165Red is the real final boss, though.
>>737361109Minecraft
>the rest of the story is behind optional contentkino or no
>>737361286KinoRetards miss half the game
>>737361137this. then again optional bosses are typically only accessible after the main game is done anyway
>>737361109If you include the DLC, definitely Bloodborne. Moon Presence gets mogged by Lawrence or Orphan of Kos Phase 2.
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>>737361286That would, by definition, mean it isn't optional.
>>737361109>RPG main final boss>It's just a glorified cutscene / scripted event
Super bosses are ALWAYS harder than the final boss. If it's easier, then it's not a super boss
you never forget your first manus fight
>>737361612Nah. I do remember the fucking magic build though.
>>737361605Paper Mario Thousand Year Door disagrees.
>>737361286People will tell you that Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk did that. But clearly it's that the game has three parts instead of two.
>>737361286FF14 Bahamut raids.
>>737361596if the credits have rolled you've beaten the main game
>>737361109FF12Yiazmat
>>737361109kingdom hearts final mix
>>737361596FFX-2 had that tower they added which goes a little into post X-2 stuff.you absolutely beat the game if you don't do it
Lies of P recently. Well, Manus second form was tough still, but nameless puppet was a true non-stop onslaught nigger
>>737361286Kino tier>Rest of the story is behind optional contentAlright tier>Rest of the story is behind a movie/showGarbage tier>Rest of the story is behind novelsShit tier>Rest of the story is behind DLCUnfathomably shit tier>Rest of the story is behind online multiplayerNot even worth pirating tier>Rest of the story is behind online multiplayer that got shut down
>>737362151x-2 is truly a tour de force in awful game design
>>737361109Every Yakuza/Like a Dragon with the Amons serving that role usually.
>>737361109Every fucking souls game holy shit I hate this trope so goddamn much
>>737362063If you remove your OS chip in Automata the moment the game lets you do that, credits roll. Did you beat it?
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>>737361109DD2. The main boss is a pushover, and a normal drake will kill your entire pawn party with meteor spam.
>>737362326Kino Tier>the multiplayer / co op occurs alongside the main game's storyalright tier>the DLC is a prequel to the next gamegarbage tier>spin off novels are the prequel to the next gameshit tier>a movie is a soft rebootunfathomably shit tier>the DLC is a soft rebootnot even worth pirating tier>an audiodrama
>>737362326There is no alright tier. Either everything is in the game for offline play, or it's shit. There should be no middle ground.
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>>737361971For how hard the Heart of Velkuvrana is I'm glad there was story reason to beat it or I might not have pushed my self to do it.
>>737361109This giant robot is just a random encounter in the FF1 space station and I swear it gives me more trouble than all 4 fiends of Chaos!
>>737361109Elden Ring
>>737362690>Half Life Decay>Borderlands 2>Halo novels>You can really pick anything>Dying Light? I really don't know>Nier
>>737361485I remember beating Orphan of Kos with barely a sliver of health left and I had ran out of blood vials. Great fight.
>>737362960the callisto protocol has both unfathomably shit and not even worth piratingsomething like Fallout 4 far harbor could be considered a soft reboot because it bucks so many of the mechanics of the main game
>>737361109>optional super boss isn't Christmas Mokey
>>737363072I'm shocked the Calisto Shitocol even warranted an audio drama, it was such a nothing story.
>>737362573yeah
>>737361109Furi
>>737361109How do you solve this issue?I've been thinking about adding a couple of side quests that actually strengthen the final boss instead of feeding you exp/gear. You know, like they deceive you and the shibbledibble you're supposed to deliver to totally not a minion actually doubles the final boss' health, speeds him up, or gives him regen. Long running consequences of your choices.So that you can either be a complete dumbass that falls for every single trick quest, or you are smart enough to see through the trick and end up with an easier fight. Or, you do them on purpose to power the final guy up just for the challenge.
>>737361142Adamantoise in ffxv
>>737361109FFX
>>737361109elden ring
>>737361612still the only boss I've never beaten on my SL1 run. Fuck this nigger, it's like miyazaki decided to include a prototype bloodborne boss in dark souls without having the player's movement balanced around it. Just keeps spazzing out with his fucking wombo combos and bullshit magic.
GOLDEN SUN
Mario odyssey
>>737361109Dark Souls 3
>>737363676I think the only satisfactory solution is optional level scaling. Because as cool as your idea sounds, it wouldn't have quite the intended effect on me because an easy final boss isn't really a reward for me, it's a negative. So if I see through the trick I don't get to use that to my benefit because that would make the game less fun, so it has the same end result.Maybe if you change it from an easier fight stats-wise to giving me a weapon that improves my stats?So say final boss uses poison and if I have the weapon equipped I'm completely immune to poison despite no other item having 100% poison negation in the game, or maybe the weapon even turns the poison ticks into healing ticks? That would feel rewarding, even if it makes the fight easier. The final boss just dying without me having to use my brain at all like most RPGs if you do the sidequests is just boring. It is common place, though, I wouldn't hold it against your game in particular.
>>737361109>Dragon Ball DS rpg>Final Boss is Great Ape Vegeta>Secret boss is Super Saiyan Broly
>>737361109soul of cinder vs nameless king
>>737362091>not even a superboss like Omega MkXII, just a huntThat thing was on some shit
>>737361596I would recommend most players turn off Dragon Quest XI after the end of act 2.
>>737362690No, Dead Space 3 did that and it was not, in fact, kino
>>737361612In ds2 royal rat authority is probably the hardest non-dlc boss in the entire game and he's a totally optional goober tucked down a secret path in the doors of pharos
>>737363676Make them both hard, the only problem is if a demanding grind for the super boss trivializes the final boss but that can be solved by the super boss triggering a harder main fight.
>>737361612>chug all 20 estus>then keep chugging humanities>boss hp meter feels limitlessSure he's easy now but my build and weapon were both retarded on my first run
>>737361109>original game doesn't have filter boss>new edition of game is made to add new optional bosses, and places some in the main story>this edition makes it to the west>the first "optional" boss is picrel
>>737363676>I've been thinking adding a couple of side quests that actually strengthen the final boss instead of feeding you exp/gear*looks up guides to avoid these quests* nothing personnel dev
>>737361109God of WarBorderlands 1 & 2
>>737361109KH2FM, where the optional super boss is the same as the main final boss but buffed
Not super bosses but I had a harder time beating Lynels and Guardians than all Ganon forms in BotW
>>737362775>hair starts to glow white and flow as the violin starts to play>fighting at light speeds>suddenly no music and he wipes the entire party from the canvas>backup party joins with the main chorus of the boss theme>tfw you will never experience this kino from the first time again
>>737364815Matador isn't even difficult.
>>737361109Nep
>>737364026Holy fuck was Dullahan a bastard.
>>737361109birth by sleephttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0EtZb7noMk
>>737361142for me it's Star Ocean 2 where you remove the limiter from the final boss to make the superboss
>>737361142elden ring dlc
>>737361109Luv me frogDev gnomes & Cat God also absolutely shit on the sun and lost spirits/euthanasia rollercoaster difficulty-wiseEverhood 2 doesn't have nearly enough hard content outside of main story. I'd take a decent custom fight from 1 (like Devourer of Gods or Minos Prime) over them any day
>>737363097That is the DLC Super Boss that teases the next game
>>737363072>Fallout 4 far harbor could be considered a soft reboot because it bucks so many of the mechanics of the main gamecan you really call a reboot unfathomably shit tier when the game itself is that? nowhere else to go but up, right?
>>737365965This. Metyr and Midra are orders of magnitude easier than Consort Radahn.
>>737361109Dark souls 1
>>737363676In Tales of Vesperia, a sidequest involves finding ancient evil super weapons that get stronger based on the amount of enemies you kill with them and stockpiling them all in your back pocket so they don't fall into the wrong hands. If you collect them all, the final boss notices and steals them from your pocket after you beat his second phase in order to get a third phase that cucks you if you were greedy enough to rely on the ancient evil super weapons instead of using normal equipment.
>>737361142maybe Urchild in EO2. There was no need for high risk strategies like with the story final boss because my team was invulnerable the entire fight thanks to the curatives from the bonus level.
>>737361137fpbpby design because normalfags would chimp out if they actually had to use most JRPG skill development and battle systems to their limit to see the end of the story
>>737362063There's a credit roll at the end of what's essentially Chapter 1 (after doing 3 prologues) of the first Wild Arms.
>>737361109Grim Dawn- a hidden box boss is one of the hardest in the gameER- practically everyone knows about Melania so that's self explanatoryDragon Age: Origins- the mountain dragon boss is entirely optional, and will kick your teeth in if you're not prepared for it. Same for the witch in the swamp if you do the snide bitch's companion side quest.Nioh 2- Against all comers side mission is a boss rush and wave attack set where you fight beefed up versions of the games bosses.Skyrim- the Ebon Warrior can only be fought when you hit lvl 81 and has gear that makes him incredibly hard to fight if you haven't been cheesing the fuck out of the games crafting systems. So maybe not this one.
>>737362063It depends on the game. One of my favourites of recent times has 3 different credit rolls, and while it's fair to stop at any of them I would argue the truly optional stuff only starts after the third credits.
fucking Ultrakill.>Each act ends with jobber gabriel>Every act has a "prime sanctum" unlock if you P-rank every level, featuring the peak of action game bossfights
>>737361109Disgaea
>>737361142SMT V. Shiva was an optional boss. Though required to get a true ending, he ended up being a thousand times easier than the final boss, Lucifer.
>>737361137If you beat all the optional superbosses and sidequests the final boss of the Last Remnant receives a huge powerboost making him the strongest boss in the game.
>>737361142Unfinished Hearts 3, people forget how much of a turd this game was because they memory-holed this
>>737361142Picrel is even more egregious because the penultimate boss is more difficult than the final boss which is more difficult than the secret boss. The worst part is that neither Death or The Forgotten One are the best or coolest bosses in the game. They just have a lot of health.
>>737372141There was quite a bit of side content and bosses but honestly the game was so bad I skipped most of it. It's also had way too floaty combat and because of that besides yoroza all of the super bosses are easily cheesed
>>737361109The WW2 Zombies boss from the first map, if I remember correctly. I think it got harder if you did the secret easter egg or something like that.WW2 Zombies is underrated by the way.
>>737361109Final Fantasy V Omega and Shinryu
>>737362334this except a tour de force of making cocks erect
>>737362863It literally just nukes you off the rip
>>737363676Already mentioned, but Vesperia's super boss is a secret phase for the final boss. You do the usual "collect the super weapons" side quests and it culminates with this. I think this is by far the best way to handle superbosses. How do you not make your final boss seem like a jobber in comparison? Make them the super
>>737361109AI Limit
>>737361109>Main final boss is a world ending threat, a cataclysmic event that demands the world work together to defeat him>Optional superboss (that is way harder) is just some guyKino or not kino?
>>737373224It's only kino if beating him is just him getting bored and rewarding you for surviving long enough.
>>737361109Why is this a problem? The final boss should be reasonably beatable as long as you understand the game's mechanics. It's the last boss in the main campaign, any player that sticks with the game to get to that point should be able to beat them.But if it's an optional boss you BETTER be ready to go into it because you're choosing to fight them.
>>737361109Expedition 33
>>737371863This I think is the best way to go about doing superbosses. One last reward for doing everything the game has to offer and an actual use for your shiny new Sword of Infinity+1
>>737361612>you never forget your first manus fightindeed I did since he's a very bland forgettable rollslop zero thought zero soul nothing battle. a real hint of what was to come later over and over and over and over for the series
>>737374201Superbosses are only cooler if beating them changes the outcome of the game, or they drop something that makes you so stupidly powerful it trivializes the rest of the game. Bonus points if the final boss acknowledges that you did it because they either feel weaker or they see your super weapon
>>737361142Touhou general. The only real exception is MS
>>737361142Monster Hunter Frontier, by the game's definition through the Hunter's Navi the "final boss" is G-rank Unknown, the intended final superboss the the Event Quest Musou Elzelion who is an unfinished pile of crap since the game was reaching EoS and it easily gets stuck in AI loops
>>737361286Bravely Default
>>737361612Doesn't count. Was playing prepare to die on PC. Ecerything sucked
>>737361109every game cause cazzies cry if you show them anything challenging - so devs have to hide it
>>737363557actually based
>>737361109Some of the Atelier games have really hard optional bosses.I remember cheating and still getting my ass kicked.
>Final boss is Level 70>The level cap is Level 99 so you can grind like crazy if you want to curbstomp the final boss>Super boss is Level 120
>>737375913Xenoblade super bosses aren't even that bad. They're just tedious really.
>>737361109Asura's Wrath. Still haven't "beat it" since I can't pirate it yet.
>>737362824Man fuck that boss, played the whole thing in hard- reached this part tried twice and just lowered the difficulty down, i was not ready to shelve dozens of hours prepping for one last enemy in an already 100 hours long game.
>>737371863Star Ocean 2 has something like that where you have to do a seemingly random and easily missable side quest in NG+ and your reward for doing that is that the final boss becomes an absurdly strong superboss.
>final boss becomes 10x as hard when you unlock the secret super boss dungeonthis is how you do it properly
NEEEERAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHHH
>>737362775>removes you're expedition from the canvasHow do you respond without sounding mad?
>>737376219It works perfectly on RPCS3, no? That's how me and my buddy beat the DLC stuff as well.
>>737361109e33
Hexen. Korax ends up being a pushover fight while the Heresiarch is a huge pain in the ass both times.
>>737361612Why? He's forgettable compared to Artorias.
