ITT: woman moments
>>737361689
>>737361689fuck, every single companion in wrath is so SHITtold them all to fuck off, gave myself 200k and made a custom party
>>737362075Wat, half lizard bro is best bro
>>737362147he's the only one I kept around desu but he stays out of the party.
>>737362075I agree. They drive you mad in a matter of moments
>>737361689What in the HECK was her problem?
>>737362404She got mogged by a succubus
>>737361689>cute romance>is actually a virginShe’s the best girl
>>737362530best at being shit maybe
>>737362530Straight men are so lonely nowadays they need to use videogames to pretend a woman will ever love them lmao.
>>737362530>corrupt her on devil path>instantly goes full whoreThat's not very lawful evil of her
>>737363075>why are you pretending in a rpg gamenegative IQ post
>>737362530>Spent over a century ruling a nation, representing a deity, and fighting rape demons>Still can't get laidWhat did Paizo mean by this?
>>737361689Is there a definative path to actually getting into this game? I've played the first dungeon and it just didn't click. Spider bitch was 2edgy4me and the other dude a tool.
>>737363130> I'm so ugly and sexless i need to pretend a woman will ever want meHAHAHAHAHAAThe absolute state of heteroids.
>>737362075I thought Regill was cool.
>>737363142She's incompetent.
>>737363190Why are you projecting?
>>737363221Why are you so ugly you need to use videogames to "romance" women?
>>737361689The whole plot is a woman moment.
>>737363126>gets more content >it's just her being a slut then breaking up with youimagine being a galfreyfag
>>737363267Lann will never be gay
>>737363267Sad
>>737363284Trvth be told, the girl that originally wrote devil mp left owlcats long before that dlc came out, so the new content was most likely written by Thainen, and he is a notorious cuck
>>737363334https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderwrathoftherighteous/mods/633
>>737363386sorry Galfreybro but we can knock up Arue, you just got unlucky
>>737362075BG3 is worse, but I don't disagree
>>737362404Its called being female. U'm afraid its incurable.
>>737363428>cope modslol
>>737361689>tell her I won't forget how she treated me>she nonverbally seethes from getting talked back toWrath was pretty fun desu. I wish the gameplay was just a little less DnD
>>737363279Areelu objectively and factually did absolutely nothing wrong
>>737363638The worldwound wasn't made to resurrect her child. It was a way to give her power. You fell for her scam. The child resurrection project was invented a century later.
>>737363638>fucks up because she's a single mom that can't even teach her son how to be a proper criminal >decides to make it the rest of the world's problem by inviting a bunch of demons to eat and rape everyone
>>737363728>>737363824She has giant tits + not her problem
>>737363903>giant tits take a look at her portrait again
>tfw there will never be another wotrI'm not sure how I can cope with the fact
>>737363728Which is why I switched her portrait for pic related.
>>737364412
>>737363075you do the same but with gays, so what's it to you?
>>737363475BG3 companions were boring and forgettable, so I was able to at least tolerate them. Wrath companions are just in your face annoying from the start which is why I booted them almost immediately
>>737363386did he also write Wenduag trying to fuck daeran and woljif or camellia visiting the brothel without your knowledge?
>>737366045No, he wrote Arue, Ember, Sosiel, Trickster mp, Swarm mp and dlcs, Octavia and Reg in KM, Linzi the lebsobook and Amiri
>>737363279What she did is extremely based and unironically redpilled.
>>737366253I know, it was a rethorical question because the cuckshit options are specifically the ones not written by him, he may be a tranny lover, but that has nothing to do with cuckshit
I enjoy going legend to make Areelu suffer.
>>737366525>Arue>Octavia and Reg>not cuckshit
>>737363279>go swarm>devour everything and everyone>beat the shit out of arleelu>dont devour her>close the world wound myself>refuse to elaborate
>>737366605I really wish you could go Legend earlier, it's annoying playing on a path that you know you're not going to commit to
>>737366605Legend is great specifically because this is exactly what her kid would probably do. Misbehave and cut off his mother's umbilical cord
>>737366612they are if you're a netori enjoyer, I stand corrected
>>737366629Based. The machinations of my mind are an enigma.
>>737366605Very based
>>737363459Galfrey has the best romance ending besides Arue’s new one at least
>>737363638
>>737367371That would be Lann actually
>>737366898The absolutely saddest past about this image is that almost all the mythic paths could have been combined into like 5-6 really fucking solid ones
>>737367469What would you merge? All I can think of is cutting Gold Dragon and Devil, since they're both already kind of coveredI guess you could maybe mix together Trickster and Azata too
>>737366692more annoying you need to cowtow to Iomedae instead of going full MFY also>Angel portait is with 2h sword>no holy 2h swords in the game>barely any good 2h swords at all
>>737362075the only bad companion really is the retarded nigger paladin and tranny anevia. And the reddit mage, the rest go from decent to great
>>737367371>Yes, I took the carefully optimized army which you painfully built and actually pushed the demons back and managed to fuck it up in like the 2 weeks you spent in the demon reals. Now that you are back, I give back the command of the armies to you. Good luck!
>>737367705The funniest part about it is she brags about her "hundred years of leading the crusade" right before you leave for the Abyss
>>737363279She's basically Marika who couldn't asspull an army of followers out of her gaping asshole and become a ruler if you think about it.
>>737367591You don't do that, you're just too mindbroken by her so agreeing with her on something is a big no-no
>>737367591Just assume he's using Finnean which is thematic as fuck for an angel.
>>737367781The funniest part is that the crusades only lasted so long because of the wardstones
>>737362075The companions in Owlcat games are such a mix bag. None of their games had enough companions I liked to actually fill out a full party. Rogue Trader was the worst because its mostly just boring fucking Humans and two shitty space elves.
>>737367616>tranny anevia>Haven't Played The Game AwardShe's not a companion, moron.
>>737366723>cuck Regongar to death>cuck Dimalchio to death Holy based
>>737367705>>737367781The one really big missed opportunity for a True Aeon is to react to the news by travelling back in time, just after he left, telling Galfrey and her retinue exactly what NOT to do, and then come back and with a smug sense of superiority see it worked and your armies are still untouched.
>>737367873but Finnean el completado turns permanently into a longsword
>>7373693784. (Chaotic) Nigger.
>>737369589You're supposed to convince him to remain as is
WOTR Mommy Areelu or TTRPG Slutty Areelu?
>>737370028the latter
>>737366898>>737366605Your secret ending, sir?
>>737370165Most of the mythic path endings are better than the secret one
>>737370165>wanting to become a deity instead of a free outsider but why
>>737362075WotR Companions (Base Game with no lich or Azata since I did Angel and Aeon before getting burned out)>Interesting and not annoying in the party tierArueshalaeRegillLann>Interesting but I don't want them in my party tierCamelliaEmberDaeran>Who? tierSosielGreyborTreverFinnean (baerly counts)>I like but can can acknowledge that its an acquired tasteWoljifNenio>Shit tierGalfrey
>>737370960>didn't like DaeranWhat are you, gay?
>>737362075Ember was the only character i genuinely was really into
>>737363279if evil, why hot?
>>737363728Killing dr*ids is an objectively Good action.
>>737370028While I prefer mommy Areelu you can't romance her in game, so I have to choose TTRPG Areelu since I could in theory convince the GM to let me bang her.Though honestly I'd probably go for Nocticula instead.
>>737361745I hate this bitch like you wouldn't believe
>>737366605>Play demon>Fulfill every secret ending condition >Drop demon and go legend after my succ gf begs me to, ruining Areelu's century long plan>having a son is the ultimate cuckoldry Ahhh now that's gaming
Real talk, chat. Were Areelu's feelings incestual or not
>>737372782Jerk off before posting
>>737372782It was a mother never learning how to let go of her grief.I just want to know if her child after years of growth had passed, would have ever actually forgiven her for fucking up the world had her plan succeeded
>>737373032Considering her kid summoned demons like it was nothing and got sent straight to the Abyss, I'd say he probably didn't have a working moral compass before being fucked for a century by demons.
>>737372958nyoooooooooo my headcanon...
>>737373032>chaotic evilwhat do you think? he wasn't a kid btw, but a teen
>>737362147Two kinds of people hate Lann. Wendufags who need to come up with excuses as to why picking a traitorous liar and murderer over Lann at the beginning is totally smart and sane, and people who played a female character, because Lann becomes the most desperate fucking simp you could imagine in that case and who just won't take no for an answer.
>>737373320>the most desperate fucking simp you could imagine in that case and who just won't take no for an answer.Lann was indian all along?!
>>737373489yeah
>>737373489that just sounds like the average/v/ user, though
>>737375674Sooooo...indian?
>>737369143>proceeds to kick out the hero because he was too good at his job
>>737362530>>is actually a virginShe tried to rape Daeren. And that is not me making stuff up bring him to Areelu's lab and ask him about itI dont think a 100 year olf woman who forces herself on her 14 year old cousin is a virgin
>>737377776That was Daeran's fantasy retard
>>737370960Fuckin' blew my mind to learn Finnean has camp dialogues
>>737378001they only trigger when you rest in am area, not in the world map
>Otherwise, your player might end up in a situation where they think "Oh my god, I'm surrounded by crazy people, and I have no one to talk to." In fact, we had this situation early on during Wrath of the Righteous production. At some point we realized we had three female romanceable characters, and all three were cannibals. So we had to rewrite our characters urgently, removing all references to cannibalism from Arueshalae and somehow separating Camellia and Wenduag from this aspect, to make the difference between characters more obvious. https://owlcat.games/news/101
>>737372475In the TTRPG you can be the little boy Arueshalae saved and then redeem her through love
>>737379493Sometimes I wish Sosiel had been a woman.
>>737379493Why didn't they remove the whole "crazy whore" thing?
>>737380250sex swapping sosiel and seelah would be an alright movei'm a sucker for cutesy homely artist typessosiel was a little boring, seelah more cringe and a little alme but also genuinely nice and helpful so she ended up on the bros till the end roster from start to finishshe's like the dependable kind coworker who you don't necesearilyh vibe with in person or at home but you know you have eachothers back no matter what happens
>>737380250Ulbrig as a dumbass tomboy would have been nice, but then he wouldn't have been voiced by Eggman
>both pathfinder games feature an "evil" female main villain who the game desperately tries to make sympatheticvery original and interesting
>>737380246>the little boy Arueshalae savedThey also had sex
>>737381786Huh. I felt sympathy in Kingmaker but only "redeemed" Areelu because it was a gold dragon option.
>>737381786>"evil"Why the quotation marks, Areelu is evil as fuck, Nyrissa at least is physically incapable of being good
>>737381786Something something Blizzard did it first
>>737361689>woman momentsWhen Jae, in RT, decides to go find her partners all by herself if you refuse to help her while the entire sector is in crisis, and she ends up dead despite potentially having everything she could dream of at that point.
>>737362075I did this immediately as well.They really need to make a game where you have a party of main characters that you can customize. They all get their dialogue choices and their own time to shine.I always thought it was weird that the vast majority of RPGs only have one customizable character, when tabletops have the opposite.
>>737362147He's fucking cringe with his constant joss whedon quips and forced jokes.
>>737363075This is literally kicking while someone is down. Trannies aren't better. They're just spiteful and they hate themselves masked with being "allies" of women.
>>737384406You must hate half the companions then
>>737372691True kino. Feels like the best moments of my shonenspic mango, in a good way.
>>737380250Why? He would still be an ugly negress, and just as boring, even this contrarian shithole wouldn't like her.You know who would be more popular if he was a woman? Lann.
>>737361689>play as Azata >go early to the Midnight Fane>Performance so good even Minago is absolutely flabbergasted that I just walked in and buttfucked their entire plan and defenses like it was nothing with zero casualties>"fuck you, you fucking chud faggot! Go to to the Midnight Isles and don't come back!"
>>737387908Azata is even worse because you do it all without waiting for her, it's an extra hit to her ego
Should I try to blow through kingmaker fist or is WoTR enough of an upgrade that gameplay wise (companions to questing to puzzles to classes etc) that it’s just better to stick to it
>>737361689The amount of people who defend her sending you to hell is crazyyyy
>>737366605Going Legend also feels amazing if you're playing any sort of Gish since you keep the Angel and Lich's spellbooks
>>737362075Daeran is best boy
>>737370960Daeran is a must have healbot. By the endgame I just have him cast mass heal after every fight.
>>737388885We were going to have to go anyway, the actual awful thing is she suicides your army. How did she fuck that up? Just send in Setsuna Shy and spam fireballs dumbass
>>737363638she's literally one of those negresses that cries that the cops shot her baby who dindu nuffin.>keep doing magic even though it's illegal because fuck da police>give your son access to illegal magic paraphernalia>let him do illegal magic unsupervised>"ayyyy dey shot my boi whatchu mean he had a scroll I ain't never seen no scrolls"
>Auto buff yourself when in rage>Get perma-rageBloodrager looks so cool...
>>737381786but areelu did nothing wrong
>>737388885Her actual, true reasoning behind it isn't justifiable, but it was necessary to scout the rift and find out just what is behind it.
>>737389047Sosiel is much, much better than Daeran, and healbotting is not something you actually need if you built your team halfway decently.
>>737389470It is quite fun.
>>737388803Answer me you meanie weenies
>>737390791Play Kingmaker first, unless you don't like it
>>737361689I kinda want to try playing it but I don't know if I want to play Lich or Swarm, it seems you have to play alot before you get to do that stuff anyway
>>737361689This damn queen...!! Needs correction!!
>>737363279A parent trying to revive their child is fine.Her Woman Moment was that she decided to be a mage and live in the one nation that fucking hates magic
>>737390821Not him. I want to play kingmaker but the kingdom management makes me feel like I'm fucking up somehow.
>>737370028Both rolled into one
>>737391281Pretty sure you go Lich at the same point as all the other mythic paths which is like 10-15 hours inThe start of Wrath does suck though. The first dungeon is one of the worst in the game by far
>>737391281Swarm is an act 5 pathYou can go lich, and then if you follow all the requirements you will get to choose in act 5 if you want to swarmBoth lich and swarm have some requirements, they are not guaranteed paths, so be careful.
>>737361689I'll go full autist good paladin and romance her for my next playthrough, I'm betting it's kino.
>>737391281Lich and angel are the best ones for early access to path abilities because of merged spellbook.Not like there are many abilities that beat their path spells.
While I'm thinking of it... doesn't Pathfinder lore have>In the center of a big city on a big island, which became a center of culture and learning, there is a castle>At its center is said to be an immeasurable treasure, but the castle is a shifting labyrinth that causes 99% of people to venture in, to never come out again. 95% can't even make it over the first trial, which is a giant fuck you hundreds of feet wide bottomless pit that separates the rest of the city from the castle.>If by some insanity, you make it not only across the pit but to the center of the labyrinth, you become a capital G God of Something; the treasure is a Spark of Divinity basically. There are like 3+ gods (maybe more) in the setting that became gods by conquering this thing, ranging from the edgelord of all secrets to a happy drunkard hero. Note that there are other ways to become gods in this universe and some others were once mortal.>One day a year the city holds as festival for people who are going to attempt the crossing, and watch most of them fail and fall to their deaths. There is a street that is nothing but temples to people who failed and the gods they "would' have been. Why the fuck can't we do THAT in one of the Pathfinder games? You find a way to make it through such a thing and then the interestiing shit you could do to continue you quest once you literally became a god, with all the powers and potential complexities that brings
>everyone says hurr durr just prebuff to make combat easier>have no idea what buffs are good or not, what buffs stack or don't, or what situational buffs I should useThe only thing I've figured out so far was using Communal Protection from Electricty to cross the floor in Blackwater. Help me /v/
>>737393314Cause the test of the star stone is basically just wank in the background.
>>737393323Also, does having mounts for the KC, Regill, and Seelah mean I need to buff the mounts too
>>737393323Sometimes the best thing to do is go into combat and just examine enemies than see how far you get before a wipe. I feel like a lot people who struggle with crpgs always think they should go into every encounter and win first try even in a blind run
>>737393520I guess what I'm really asking is what buffs are good and which ones aren'tI've done Prayer and Blur crap before fights but it doesn't feel that meaningful
>>737393704Google literally spits out a list of buffs that are worth using, along with which bonuses do and do not stack.
>>737393368Huh? I mean, its an ongoing thing and has some unique potential, especially given the whole split between those who have some degree of mythic powers (yet are not gods), mortals, and others who ascend or descend depending on shit they do. Seems like a great potential storytelling path if you managed to complete it, which should be an incredibly difficult task to begin with, and then how you handle your new existence and what other forces in the world (including other gods) choose to do because of your actions
>>737370960Ember herself isnt someone I enjoy but her camp dialogue is genuinely great with her getting pretty great unintentional jabs at people like Camellia.One of my favorites is Camellia trying to mock her and Daeran pretty much snapping her nose off over it.
>>737362438Doesn't turning the succubus evil make her turn into a character straight out of Taimanin Asagi because I read that she ends up having a bunch of minotaurs run a train on her?
>>737393323Buffs stack as long as they're different types of bonus. Like the stat bonus from a belt or circlet is the same kind as Cat's Grace, Fox's Cunning, etc., an Enhancement bonus, so only the stronger one is active. There are a couple exceptions, mainly Natural Armor, that can stack with other boosts. Most of the best buffs aren't even high level, they're basic shit like Mage Armor, Barkskin, or Shield of Faith. The Shield spell renders actual shields more or less irrelevant.
>>737372691A fooking legend matehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLWAO3ED5KI
>>737393971No, you just read a shitposter posting his fantasies, even if it did happen though, just don't turn her evil
>>737393826What I mean is Adventure Paths already exist to use as fuel for video games, such as Kingmaker and Wrath, while nothing like that exists for the Star Stone. It's a meaningless piece of fluff with no actual bearing on anything or any mechanics or rules worth talking about. Paizo never even gave hints as to what a test actually encompasses, only that was different for each person who attempted it. And that Cayden supposedly did it drunk off his ass.
>not a single mention of best owlcat girltourists the lot of you
>>737361710Me to desu
>>737394546I benched her at the first opportunity and never looked back.
>>737394546>underaged thief
>>737394546Can't romance her no? She's way too much of a virginal bookworm to be an Owlcat romance option, she needs to have some gnomes and half-orcs run a few trains on her before she's Owlcat romance certified.
>>737395073you can't romance her because she is underaged (height)
>>737394546>No romance>Steals your money>B*rd
>>737395073You don't even know if she's a virgin or not, no need to seethe so much because you can't fuck the ugly midget
>>737394896>benching the single most useful companionSure mate.
>>737395216Not him but yes
>>737395259Sure mate.
>>737395362Dude, if you're so bad that you desperately need a bard to play the game then that's on you. The most useful companions are the twins, by the way, at least once you get to level 13Octavia (who I also don't use) is also better because lol stinking cloud
>>737395181Virginal, not a virgin per se. Compare her to outspoken and unlikable whores like Valerie and Octavia. Compare Linzi with Amiri, who's also too innocent and not enough of a slut so she didn't receive the Owlcat cannibal whore seal of approval.
>>737395145Manlet bros, we are unromanceable...
>>737395435>clears every relevant check in the game for you and buffs your entire group with loads of shit you literally can't get with any other companion>benched herSure mate.
>>737362075Regill is basedhe's tsundere about it and always pulling schemes but he has your back more than anyone else. He's the only companion where his class quest involves HIM proactively solving problems for YOU rather than the other way around.
>>737395602Regillfags genuinely live in a world of denial, he has absolutely no problems with killing you
Should I change anything in my spellbook or am I good to go
>>737362075I don't think the list of companions is bad, but they really introduced them in a poor fashion and an irritating order. The roster is front-loaded with people that come across as irreverent, Joss Whedon-esque quipmasters while the story starts in the most dire straits imaginable for a CRPG. You're struggling against a demon horde and you've got Lann, Seelah, Nenio, Daeran, Woljif, and a little bit of Camcam acting smarmy about it, and only Ember balancing that out. In Lann's case it's bizarre because he flips into being a much more serious, pragmatic character that's just a bit sarcastic as soon as Act 2, which works much better because his shit seems more like gallows humor from a nihilist than a Redditor.By the time you get Lann acting more tolerable, along with Ember and Regill, it's fine, and then you get Demonwife and Greybor who are both much more suited to the tone. Even Sosiel's not bad because, despite being a fruity nigga, he's at least a serious character with an actual tone to him. I'd also say Ulbrig is on the more tolerable end, but he's DLC and he has a bit of the retardation in him. So Act 2 flips it to being "fine."It's just that the first several characters are annoying and feel like they're out of touch with reality/incapable of realizing that shit is incredibly serious (which is funny because Ember is supposed to be a naive, delusional weirdo and a child and she takes the situation more seriously than a lot of the party). Which would be fine if it was JUST Daeran being a self-absorbed dickhead, but when there's multiple people that feel like a Redditor's D&D character it drags the party down massively, and it's even worse when those are your ONLY options at the start of the game. It makes the starting roster an absolute disaster. The annoying party members are just front-loaded and it unironically gets way better as the game goes on.
>>737394526That seems a perfect reason for it to be part of a game and even a lore justified reason for it to vary both in 'roguelike' form and in respect to your character';s traits and decisions of the run so far. Its a mythical challenge mode dungeon that only few have ever completed properly, even those who escape with their lives (and cash, renown etc..) but not divinity or even those who died are remembered attempting it. To put aside what apotheosis can mean to a player in the game rather than an ending slide etc
>>737393323There's 5 things you need to buff to reach competence, 3 relate to AC and 2 to attacks. You only really need AC on your melee front liners, enemies tend to just ignore your back line. They are:Deflection (+AC): This one is the most common from magic, most spells tend to give this bonus, Protection from X, Shield of Faith are the easiest ones.Shield (+AC): This one is the easiest to get, using shields gives Shield bonus. If you have front liners that dont use shields, or really want to 2 hand, they need to use the Shield spell. I recommend not 2 handing in general, the damage isnt that much better while the AC loss is significant.Natural Armor (+AC): This one is trickier to get in the early game but it's necessary, the most general source of bonuses to natural armor are Amulets of Natural Armor, or a few other spells like Barkskin (though only a few classes get this).Morale (+Attack): This is the main buff to attack rolls, almost every spell that gives +attack gives it as Morale. Early game Bless is the easiest source of this, Good Hope in the mid game, though several different things can give Morale.Competence (+Attack): This one is harder to find, and it mainly comes from Bards (Inspire Courage), or any of the other classes that get the song feature.As long as you cover these 5 bonuses, you will be able to scale into the game properly and have room to customize in whatever way you like.
>>737395674Regill only kills (you) if (you) are a monster that actually ought to be killed by any rational person.
>>737396415Regill may end up killing you if you fail to meet his arbitrary standards, even if you're playing on a good mythic path. Also, you're the one who said that he has your back the most, if he did, he would never betray you short of you going swarm
>>737395732get some metamagic so you can raymax your other spell levels
>>737395768The Act 1 party members definitely suck. Lann and Seelah are boring, Camilla is deliberately not a real character at the beginning of the game, Nenio is fucking annoying and Daeran despite being an actually good character has a pretty lame introductionI think they should've spaced out the introductions a bit more to give the characters time to find their footing. It would've been better if you got Daeran at the start of Act 2 for example, or if Nenio wasn't just a random encounter in Kenebres
>>737388803WotR isn't what I'd call a straight upgrade for the most part. The core gameplay has some improvements (better balance, stuff like mounted combat, more classes, more races, etc.) but they're both essentially 1:1 ports of the tabletop game, so they have almost identical gameplay. The only thing that's not almost identical is Kingdom Management vs Crusade Management (which are optional features but I like both). WotR doesn't invalidate Kingmaker because they're separate campaigns with different encounters and stories, which are the main appeal. If you enjoy CRPGs I'd definitely say to just play Kingmaker first. It's lower stakes and a bit shorter (but still like 110-120+ hours), so I'd say it's a nicer start. They're both great, though, and I'd say you can play them in any order, though WotR happens after Kingmaker and has a few references to its events.
>>737393323As soon as you enter map, on all party members:Bark Skin. Shield of Faith. Mage Armor (if armorless). Shield. Blur. Bull Strength. Cat's Grace. Bears Endurance. Eagles Splendor. Owl's Wisdom. Fox's Cunning. Heroism, Greater. Bless. Detect Traps. Effortless Armor. Magic Fang, Greater (on all pets and polymorphers). Magic Weapon, Greater. Crusader's Edge. Enlarge Person. Mutagen: Strength. Winds of Vengeance. Angelic Aspect, Greater. Frightful Aspect. Animal Growth. Bestow Grace. True Seeing. Freedom of Movement. Remove Fear.Immediately before combat:Haste. Prayer. Displacement.
>>737396576But what about Woljif
>>737391680just try to always have all of your advisors doing "something" at any given time and build stuff in forts whenever you have extra money and you'll do fine. If you don't had an advisor for a stat unlocked focus on trying to raise that stat to unlock the advisor.
>kill Yaniel to corrupt Radiance>the only person who even pretends to give a shit is Seelah
>>737396972Woljiff is a good character who also has a quest to do in Act 1, so he's totally fine as-is
>>737381836Based
>>737396061>>737396964Thanks kingsWith this power I will make Act 4 my bitch
>>737394546Thinking about Linzi makes me sad.>>737395181Linzi's a midget buts she's cuter than most of the sluts you can actually romance than Owlcat shit.
>>7373979912. (based) I don't like you. Die! [Attack]
>>737398269Unfortunately, the only way to get the shield spell on a whole party is to have an alchemist with the discovery for giving personal spells to othersAlso the mythic paths have some really strong path specific buffs, especially Angel path has some insane party buffs
>>737394546Her and that space gypsy in Rogue Trader are the only ones I told to fuck off because they are fully willing to fuck you over for the stupidest of reasons.
>>737398693But I only need to shield my frontliner(s mounts), right? Also I'm Demon atm but planning on going Legend, I don't know what buffs I have access to. I haven't really messed around with mythic powers other than the Demonic Charge
>>737398693It's not a big deal when vivisectionist is one of the best classes in the game
>>737398850if you actually want to buffmax I highly suggest downloading the "Bubbles Buff Bot" mod which lets you just set a list of all the buff spells you want to cast and then you can just do all of them at once with a single click. It's a bit unbalanced in very early game because at like level 1 or 2 you'll lose a significant chunk of the spell duration just because of the time it takes to cast the spells but by act 4 you're just saving yourself a lot of IRL time by not having to manually cast Bark Skin and Blur and Shield of Faith six times in a row every time you rest
>>737394546>leaves me (gets booked) when I need her mostnah
>>737362075What's a good custom party comp?
>>737394546>best owlcat girl>tells you to not steal from Jamandi>she later steals from your treasury to make a shitty printing press you don't needhypocrite bitch
>>737399532The printing press is also very good (for making propaganda) so you're encouraged to keep it too
>>737398693Just use shield focus -> flying buckler style on Camelia to share her shield bonus with everyone elseThe shield bonus you get is also higher than the one you get from the shield spell itself
aeon path is kino because if you fulfill all the conditions for the true aeon ending you need to make a saving roll to resist the compulsion of going back in time if you want to close the worldwound normally
Are monks viable outside the single level dip everyone takes?
>>737403975Monk is overpowered as a single level dip but it's still good, otherwise. I don't think there's many classes that aren't viable at Core or below, though.
>>737403975i think drunken master is playable with crane style shit
For me it is demon into legend>uhmm ackchually that's suboptimalfuck you it is lore-appropiate
I'm halfwayt through Kingmaker and also played 1/4th of WOTR and loving both, but Rogue Trader is not clicking with me at all.I thought I'd like Rogue Trader the most people I love reading 40k lore, but the combat in Rogue trader feels so much worse and less intuitive than the Pathfinder games. Like I had no idea what I was doing whereas Pathfinder was reasonable to learn from scratch.Is it just me?
>>737404565It is funny how the Mythic powers can shape out>"I Areelu Vorlesh, a demon wizard, create these powers. The nature of their creation naturally lends themselve to a Demon or Lich">"What the fuck is an 'Azata'"
>>737363279Maybe her adventure path version where she's just "I will become a half-fiend because why the fuck not"Rare genuine improvement to the character in a video game. Her actual plot is batshit retarded though. The knight commander should have died like six times over even before we get to the hyper-specific path of literally becoming her daughter she foresaw that we have to usurp by doing all the dumb secret path shit.
>>737380250I wish Seelah had been a man entirely because her spirit animal is clearly this and I could cope with the character more if they were just a blatant ersatz.
>>737404775John Knight-commander is just legitimately weird/special. Legend path basically confirms it but there's little hints if you want to read them that way like the fact you can't go full lich right away because your soul is just too fucking chadlike, or that yes, you really can just become what you fucking want with just a little push.I suspect in anyone else you'd usually end up with a power-grabber given the crystal's basic origin. Jamal-kun commander is just too based.
>>737372691>Areelu corrupts another son.
>>737372691If you think about it, this is just Arueshalae acting like a succubus but for the side of good.
>>737393314>>737393368>>737393826>>737394526It basically exists as a good ending cap for tabletop for your epic characters and the GM is actively encouraged to shape the "tests" around the arcs and foibles of said characters over a campaign.I'm not so sure how it would fly as a standalone thing without that. I mean I'm not saying no, but you lose like 95% of the test's reason for being immemorable and allegedly tailored to people if you went in with pre-mades.
>>737403975Everyone dips into monk because most of their good shit is front loaded, the actual class is still pretty good overall
>>737408552The biggest issue I have with going relatively pure unarmed monk is needing to pick between fighting styles. What's the point of having crane style for free if I have to use Dragon style to actually do dmg. Clunky design. And if I want to go with weapons most of monk weapons have low dmg and shit crit range.
>>737409501Yeah, the big weakness of natural/unarmed is shitty dice, but most of the monk types get bigger unarmed dice from leveling(except the crit rate which still sucks)If you want to go armed monk then there’s really no beating sohei, but no one plays a monk to be an off brand cavalier
i really want to enjoy WoTRhow do i get over having to buff before every single fightno i won't play on easy mode it's boring
>>737410115Unironically get Toybox and set buff duration to 9999x so you can apply them once and not have to think about it again. Even single round buffs will last weeks, longer ones like mage armor will last literal years.
>>737410601that's a good idea anon ill do that
>>737410115Enduring spells mythic power my man.If you pick it 2x you get 24h buffs.
>>737381786What's sympathetic about Areelu? She doesn't even try to actually justify her motives or methods and everyone agrees that her motherly rage doesn't justify a fraction of a fraction of what she did.In fact it takes an incredibly amount of autistic effort to try and "redeem her" and the most kino way to handle her is to kick her to the fucking curb.
>>737403975Drunken Master is by far the best Monk if you're doing a monoclass run and can pretty much make any Style work. Personally ignored Crane style on my last run, full Pummel Style Drunken Master Demon > Legend for the full combo charge beatdown.
>>737410115Three options, two of which the others mentioned.The last one is getting Bubble Buffs Mod so you can set up a macro that does the prebuffing for you.
It's pretty depressing that a really good early game buff is to have Cam or Ember cast some short term hexes on you like Fortune and then have them both spam Cackle to up the duration to a decent amount. It's like 2 straight minutes of them laughing at you
>>737408150Not really because succubi are supposed to trick people to corrupt them, while here she's being sincere
>>737393520If you have to savescum an encounter to get through it, it's a bad encounter design and/or bad pacing.
>>737415198Literally all you have to do is play GD and give her a short pep talkalthough GD sucks so much that it does take a massive effort to go through with it so I see your point
>>737416141This anon likes getting bullied and laughed at by (half-)elf girls. Imagine being such a doormat that you even get bullied by Ember.
>>737361689If she looked 13 you all would've forgiven her. You bunch of hypocrites
>>737361689How hard does she cuck you?
>>737419205Not as hard as Valerie in the previous game
>>737419205She doesn't, Wendu and Cam are the cuck options
>>737362075>Tiefling Thief presented as a potential party member>He's asking my lawful paladin to be let free from his cell, despite being shady as fuck and avoiding questions>Refuse and keep him there until things have calmed down, pick the options to leave him there>Expect some clever writing work around, maybe he breaks free and I encounter him later, can maybe argue with him, arrest him, or even let him weave a convincing reason for him to join up>Maybe he just rots in his cell, or gets executed in a scene>Nope, just never see him againBravo Owlcat, but I guess I'm not too beat up about having one less quirky Tiefling character to deal with
>>737420585He's based actually
Canon KC is>Aasimar >Female >Bard >Chaotic Good >Azata >Romance Arue >Ascension ending >Impregnated with twins
>>737420885>whore in the past
>>737362075Regil was basedEmber was cute
>>737420915The demon cock she sucked in the past is HER business!
>>737398269Crusader's Edge on literally ANY melee including Pets is the most important offensive one
cambro got mad huh
>>737420941>Meanwhile half the party doesn't care>The other half supports her>And only the two raging manlets hate her
>>737420885It's genuinely tough to dislike Arue as your love interest when every other option is mentally sick in the head, will give you retard halfbreed babies, or is simply a huge jerk.
Which CRPG games have fleshed out halfling or goblin romance? I just finished BG2 and was pissed at not being able to hook up with Mazzy and all the romanceable girls being faggot Elves
All of the crusaders and even the MC are complete frauds, the real HERO is Satsuna Shy.This Nigga was soloing entire armies with a single spell, why even bother sending men into the meat grinder when this blue buddhist rockman could solo the demons.
>>737394546Same VA btw...
>>737423397Her being the most "normal" one is why they don't like, same why so many of them hate Aerie too
>>737423397Different strokes, but Arue is my least favorite of the love interests.Every interesting part of the whole succubus redemption arc has been done before you even meet her, she just doesn't have much going on.
>>737425153Good, it's better that way. Why would I want Viconia number 22 succubus edition?
>>737424928Aerie is fine but her romance seems cut short
I like regil but don't get it twisted the little cunt is not meant for peacetime and his cruel calculus only works because the opponent is that horrific and defeat is too terrible.I'd hang him in a heartbeat if he tried his shit after you win.
>>737425738Regill is incredibly tolerant for a hellknight, probably comes with being a gnome
>>737425960It also comes with him recognizing you as a genuine chance to win. That leeway is a twoway street after all. You put up with his hellknight BS and he puts up with you not being devil goys because you both play a significant role in beating the abyss.
>>737425738Yeah, he's fun to have around because of how his bluntness and near robotic seriousness contrasts well with the other companions and its very clear why this gnigga and the rest of the Hellknights are evil. Nearly every other cosmic alignment agreeing that the demons need to go is one of my favourite parts of the game.
>>737423876Underrated post.Never hated any minigame so much as that crappy unbalanced army thing in WoTR. It's worse than ship combat in Deadfire.But my man Satsuna made it a breeze.
>Marazhai is completely under my control >Our dark cousins are such fools, so easy to manipulate >He will lead me to my kin, then leave empty handed >Finding my kin will be worth the liberties I had to permit Marazhai to take >Shall I tell Elantach?>No, let it be a surprise >Elantach likes surprises
>>737426439The reveal that she's actually not like the other craftworld eldar is also painfully autistic even to them so they keep her as a forever ranger to keep sending her away was big funny.
>>737426248Demons are almost 100% chaotic evil, there is no arguing with them.>>737425738>because the opponent is that horrific and defeat is too terribleI think that's literally the point of Hellknights being tolerated in WoTR. They have their own Lawful Evil kingdom in Pathfinder like you have Thay in DnD, but that's that.
>>737426087>the hellknights being half as useful as your character islol
>>737361689I feel a sense of deja vu. On macron’s timeline.
>>737426439>>737426532>We didn't train her wrong as a joke>She is just that fucking stupid>Thank you for being her tard wrangler, Human, we genuinely appreciate not having to deal with her bullshit anymore
>>737394546I'm still FUMING from her not being romanceable. The only likeable owlkek femoid
>>737428532serious shit taste
>>737425153>another evil cartoon villain romance you can fixno thanks, this game is severely lacking on non-psychos already, her questline isn't even about her redemption anyway
I must sayI may not be the biggest fan of wenduag but 8 legged leg lock does sound incredibly intriguing.
>>737361689She was completely justified, and Regil would have done the exact same thing, earlier. Your character went AWOL for 6 months, the fact she kept believing in you as long as she did was almost a dereliction of duty.
>>737429103Leglock implies cumming inside, unfortunately she only wants Daeran's seed
>>737362530Based
>>737429103>falling for the WendussyNo need to be in denial, my fellow man of culture, Wenduag is best girl.
>>737429206>Regill would have sent the person he himself picked as commander to die out of jealousy I doubt it
>>737393314Yeah that thing is perfect for a video game. It's basically dungeon meshi, you can even have settlements of people who attempted the trial and got stuck inside. Absolutely wild they just have something so cool on a background and it's not utilized as a game.
>>737429206Regill literally sacrifices his career for you. He's a polar opposite of her.
>>737429301You would've been sent into the abyss anyway because someone needed to deal with the source of mythic crystals and your group are the single strongest fighting force the crusade has, granted I'm not sure why the jealousy angle was thrown in there. In the original AP, you and the other players were a special unit rather than commanders of the crusade and she sent you in to the abyss for the same reasons she outlines in the game but without the jealousy shit
>>737429465I know, you repeat the same every thread, doesn't change the fact that she still did it
>>737429465The jealousy angle is because you're incidentally usurping the crusade out from under her and depending on the mythic path blatantly carving out a new realm in her backyard.That's not really a thing in the AP where you're a bit more subordinate to her
>>737429465Because every lawful good character must come with a twist, can't have truly honorable crusader knights, it would be racist.
>>737361710what did she mean by this?
>>737429974Seelah has no twist and is a straight up honorable paladin.But you'll just call her a nigger no doubt (she is but still)
>>737430060She was brought up as a thief and constantly veers into morally grey territory, again another subversion. Being black is the least of her concern (besides her horrible voice) since at least she comes from notAfrica.
>>737430217she really doesn't, that's just your racism speaking
>>737430217>She was brought up as a thiefShe's an orphaned migrant from Geb; the only theft she ever commited was the paladin's helmet and she only did it out of desperation.She never veers into morally grey territory because he entire angle is that she's a redemptionfag of the highest order, she's extremely reluctant to harm people she's befriended. Nothing wrong with the voice acting, the worst VA in the game would be Areelu considering how often she breathes mid sentence.
>>737430060Seelah's twist is that by the rules of the Pathfinder setting she shouldn't be a Paladin since she is the poster girl for Chaotic Good, yet at no point does she lose her powers.
>>737404565Demon into GD is much more kino.
>>737430483I'm planning on doing a LG angel paladin playthrough soon, taking every single decision Seelah takes, to see if this meme is true or not
>>737430483Lem is the chaotic good iconic but thanks for trying
>>737430217>constantly veers into morally grey territory,When lol
>>737430483At no point does Seelah ever do something Chaotic Good, it just feels like people expect her to be a good aligned Regil or something.
>>737430568>embracing mortality instead of demonhood alongside your mortal demon wife (also has more dialogue where she helps you pass the skill checks)>peak antagonism with Areelu who now despises you>no retarded fetch quests, you have a party where you fight a god insteadLegend is better
>>737429974Inheribro is as straight forward as it gets, doubly so if you're Angel Mythic.
>>737430873Definitely one of the best representation of a LG character that isn't secretly a perverted sociopath or something, too bad he's not a companion
>>737430590Wasn't talking about iconics but the game you clown, but thanks for trying.>>737430738She constantly does Chaotic shit while still being a fundamentally good hearted and natured person. Her entire character arc is about how fucking chaotic she is and how she doesn't really like or follow traditional hierarchies and command structures and would much rather just go out and punch evil in the face. Does that sound like a fucking Paladin to you, as described by Pathfinder fluff and crunch?
>>737430738She does go against her own goddess and tell you to keep your mythic powers if you're on a good path
>>737431052While that is grounds for an immediate falling I would say that that argument isn't actually any alignment.
>>737379493Reminder that Arue is STILL a cannibal in the game. She says she never had a taste for human flesh, which implies she's tried it at least once.
>>737361689Wouldn't every moment while being a woman be a woman moment?Or is there some context I'm missing?
>>737431052uhhh but the hand of the inheritor does the same thing?
>>737363279
>>737361710>We have sex and sex makes babies
>>737430995>fucking chaotic she isHer entire character arc is the conflict between her beliefs and the reality of the crusade as expressed by people like Elan. >she doesn't really like or follow traditional hierarchies and command structures Because she's a free paladin, she has no issue with the chain of command or following rules and she does adhere to the tenents of Iomedae's church, she just isn't as formal as Irabeth.
>>737431205No, she explicitly says that she has never done i, but she did eat souls. Reading isn't hard anon.
>>737361689>woman moments100% of the female characters were created by men or trans. imagine the humiliation for Karen kek
>>737431276Inheribro is just kind of retarded and thinks your powers MUST be from Iomedae even if you've got red skin and horns, he's acting completely on his own impulses for the entire game. By the time she actually gets involved he's already getting buck broken in Baphomet's dungeon.
>>737423492Halfling romances are criminal. Fall in love with sexy Elves or short king Dwarfs instead.
>>737431734Play angel for once, he wants you to keep your powers just like Seelah, the rest of the squad thinks the same, including both paladins and angels of Iomedae
>>737431815I did, if you talk to him in act 3 he says he came here of his own volition and Iomedae hasn't told him shit, and while he's along for the boat ride he still gets snatched at the end of act 4 and isn't part of the argument with her at the start of act 5. By the time you see him again you've already committed to keeping your powers.
>>737394546This character reminded me far too much of my person who flirted with me back in the day and I was too dumb to notice, I couldn't bring her along.
>>737432275https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_X4cy6mxzvw
Know which character never gets brought up in these slander matches?Woljif.Luv that lil nigga.
>>737433384I mean he is exactly what it says on the tin, either you like stereotypical thieves or you don't.
>>737430847Legend is for cucks because you’re relinquishing power only to be judged by the very beings you scorned. You are disadvantaging yourself for no particular benefit and kicking the can down the road. >hurr durr i don’t need muh mythic powers>dies>pharasma decrees you’re a retard and sends you to limbo
>>737361689Every time a woman talks it's a woman moment. They're meant to be seen, not heard.
>>737433384He's neither black nor a romance interest so there's no reason for certain people to bring him up.
>>737433639what if she's calling me handsome?
>>737433523I'm not scorning anyone, and I'll end up in the plane of my god or my alignment, which is fine with me
>>737433523>only to be judged by the very beings you scorned.The only person you scorn by throwing it away is Areelu who is unquestionably your ultimate nemesis even before you ruin her centuries old plan. In fact if you're going Lich and then cast off the power you'll get Pharasmasas approval since she fucking hates undead and she's the one who judges you in the end.
>>737433384He's an irrelevant stereotypical tiefling thief. These are always played straight unlike paladins who absolutely need a subversive twist to them.
>>737433860It's ok to listen to your mom.
>>737433384No one cares about male party members unless they're based
>>737393971>having a bunch of minotaurs run a train on her?That and way more happened to her years before anons met her and insist she's a pure virgin waifu despite the game introducing you to several of the demons she fucked
>>737435541Wenducuck you're the one who says that, saying that she only fucked Lann lol
>>737435659The only pure virgin in the game is Our Lady Galfrey.
>>737437350And she's the worst one, goes to show that virginity isn't the end all be all.
>>737437454How is she the worst one? >huh she was mean to me once, that means my serial killing cannibal whore waifu is perfect!Stop gooning for a few days to reset your judgement.
>>737437885>jealous of you>demotes you for arbitrary bullshit >the only advisors she gives you are traitors, traumatized retard generals and a council member who tries to fuck you at every turn >throws you in the fucking abyssNone of this makes me want to romance her. Arueshalae was with me in the Abyss. Camellia was with me in the Abyss. Wenduag was with me in the Abyss. Where was Galfrey?
>>737435659Woah there, since when is liking Wenduag a sin. You literally fix her. and die young
>>737438637She doesn't die young in her romance tho.
>>737438593Galfrey was firing your generals so they couldn't stop her dumb ass from glory hounding
>>737438637I like how she's right about everything regarding the mongrels and their place in the world but she goes about trying to fix it in the worst ways possible while Lann just has his head in the sand but isn't a fucking psycho.
>>737438593I really wish you could just straight up execute the one diplomatic advisorIn a game full of >[Evil] I don't like you, die!options they really missed that one
>>737439452It's worth it for her losing her shit when the demons show up and she's realized all her politiking has directly put her life in danger
>>737437454>>737437885>>737438593Wendu > Arue > Galfrey > no romance >> CamelliaCamellia isn't a real romance options. She's more of a writing exercise by the devs.
>>737440239If Wenduag and Wenduag's romance weren't written by two completely different people I'd agree with this listing.
>>737438593I personally like the crash course of humiliation she gets from directly failing.
I like Camellia because she is useful, is she not?By useful I mean pretty and funny, and also she can disarm traps and pick locks.
>>737438593Galfrey is directly responsible for why the crusades have been so ineffective to begin with. 100 years and she’s produced nothing but losses, yet the very moment you turn things around, she has an ego trip and ruins your efforts.
>>737363267>um liking women is incel behavior This is why you lost to trump.
It is a crime I can't have a full romance with her, or better yet redeem her by cumming in her repeatedly until her entire body becomes made up of my cum.
>>737442224is that a poop demon
What happens if you corrupt Galfrey on the devil route? There is a surprisingly small amount of information about this game online, I think there is more build-tism than anything to do with the story.
>>737442224Look man, if she was an elemental of anything other than literal shit, I'd be with you.
>>737442319yes
>>737442319Yes, and people will make out with it for a permanent stat buff. CRPG players are either brain damaged or not "Role-playing" at all.
>>737442319Yeah, she is an Omox demon which is a particular type of demon made up of filth of different types. This particular one is the Fulsome Queen, who has taken on the shape of Noctiula because she understands that Nocticula is the most beautiful thing in the Abyss.
>>737384406You are welcome
>>737442458Sometimes you gotta make a tough call to save the world.
>>737442319
>>737369492Its illegal to make aeon even more based
>>737369492That would be changing things, since Galfrey would never make the correct decisions on her own.
>>737443183>Kills self>Elaborates excessively>Arrives
>>737384272Soo you like talking with yourself?
Is there anywhere to glamour items in Act 4? This is incredibly important to me..
>>737443798Yeah, follow Shamira's quest and you'll be reunited with your golem
OWLCAT YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING NIGGERS
>>737443645Yes. But I think most of the choices will be dialogue with people outside the party in the case of a CRPG.Although with how popular Tomokore and The Sims are, I think people do love having a social sandbox for their OCs.
>>737423876For me it's the EBONY KWEEN.A black woman is casting Scorching Ray. Listen and learn.
>>737362075Most companions are trash, terrible people, outright unlikeable. A few select range from bearable to "useful asset", but even among them there is none, absolutely none, that is likeable.If I ever complete a companion quest line in their clusterfuck games it is just because completionism gamer autism, not because I care in the slightest about what that scum has to say. In fact, pathfinder made me for the first time in an RPG go and say>fuck it, I don't care even if I miss quest rewards, I am not doing your inane gay personal quest, I don't give a shit about anything you have to sayMan, Owlcuck devs must have had a truly shitty life growing up, filled with trash people to draw example from, if that garbage lineup is all they can produce to make you invested in the world and care about the dickwads they force on you.
>>737445291>If I ever complete a companion quest line in their clusterfuck games it is just because completionism gamer autismSame, it's actually freeing when you stop giving a fuck about completionism or taking on these shitty companions in your party, if you think about it you're only missing maybe a hour or two of content about unlikable characters you don't give a shit about in a 100+ hours game. I just make up a custom party and actually roleplay them as my ideal companions instead of whatever came out of the raped mind of the average Owlcuck writer.
>>737440239Arueshalae > Wenduag > Camellia > Galfrey
>>737445291Why would I want my companions to be good people?If they're terrible people then they'll fit nicely with the terrible things I do as an evil character, or they'll be ripe for redemption if I play a good character.
>>737445679Yeah same. If I ever muster up the will to go back to wrath and actually finish my playthrough, I am going to do exactly the same entire custom party thing.
>>737445906Not good people, likeable. Edwin was a dirtbag, but it was amusing and I liked having him around. korgan at least was fun, would down a few kegs with him even though I know I can't trust him. Viconia was a real human bean, had some character beyond being a bitch.Owlcat chars seem made by a psychopath that doesn't really understand human interactions and is just aping them while inserting his occasional cannibal-murderer-cuck fetishes
>>737445291>Man, Owlcuck devs must have had a truly shitty life growing up, filled with trash people to draw example from,they're a Russian studio anon so yeah no shit. They moved to Cyprus to escape getting drafted and sanctioned but that doesn't undo the miseries of a Soviet upbringing
>>737446208I think you're just biased for your favorite boomer game's companions.
>>737423968i was blown away when i found out that tortuk/turtoccio va is the same as the herald of the inheritor. talk about range
>>737423968>can't capture and rape her on an evil playthroughFuck Owlcat.
>>737423876>Dressed like a monk>Actually a wizardThis is stolen valor
>>737448679Imagine trickster being able to trick her into being bound to your service and forced to undo all the harm she caused working for the forces of evil. And also have your babies because uouhhhhhhhh evil woman sexo
>>737445291Daring today aren't we
I love Daeran, i am glad finally the west is learning is slowly adding pretty boys into CRPGS.The closest thing we had before was Gannayev of Dreams from Mask of the Betrayer.
>>737445291It is in fact a bonus not doing their quests in Kingmaker, you get to watch them get killed in the end :)
>>737450096I thought his backstory was underwhelming.
>>737363279should i bother finishing this game/starting overi got to hell and gave up cause i couldn't balance the difficulty right
>>737449659Is it really cannibalism if you're an immortal demons an they're tasty screaming flesh flakes?
>>737443148heh
>>737448764What if he is a monk? What if he's such a strong monk that he casts spells by flexing his muscles and threatening to be the nerd arcana up if he doesn't do what he wants?What then anon?
>>737362075the evil characters are alright to good.but overall I liked the companions and characters more in kingmaker.
>>737453054the evil characters are the most overrated ones, especially since there is only four of them, two of them are shit, and other one isn't even evil
>>737448764He can channel energy and heal too, dude might just be a Legend
>>737453058God Mabel was perfect.
the objective ranking
>>737453490>I love marvel quips
>>737453490Fixed a few mistakes.
>tfw no autism fox gf to draw my penis and publish it in a bookits not fair bros
Ember romance waiting room
>>737454903>>737453490>>737453876The way that Ember was written and characters interacted with her she should have looked like a child. It's really jarring the way characters all treat her like a kid but she visually just looks like an adult and she's over 100 years old according to her lorei guess they HAD to make her nearly adult so that it didn't have the issue of the good commander using child soldiers but it's like they're trying to have their cake and eat it to by having the story treat her like a child but then at the same time acting like she's an adult
>>737455118I'm pretty sure everybody treats her like a child and you even have characters specifically remark that she's a child. There's that one crusader who comments on her looking no older than his granddaughter, and she responds by saying that she's fighting so other "kids" don't have to suffer like she does. It's just that her model is an adult one because I guess they were too lazy to make a unique model for her and she still looks kind of young because elf. And I think she's a teenager (i.e. elf equivalent of like 14 or 15) more than prepubescent. There's also her past friendship with Woljif, who I'm pretty sure is just an (adult) teenager that outgrew her because she's an elf. She's got a bit of a naive, stunted perspective on reality because of the witchery, but she is genuinely not an adult, still.For the child soldier thing... She's obviously willing and you can still tell her not to get involved. It's fine to justify a good character doing it because she's objectively stronger than 99% of adults even when you first recruit her. She's a powerful witch with a very strong patron and a vested interested in fighting, as well as the mental fortitude (or insanity) to be completely unfazed by what she's seeing, especially compared to the average soldier. She's basically the ideal crusader, she just happens to be a child.
>>737455618I would be fine with it if they had her as a child soldier character or if they had her as a mentally defective regressive adult woman but I wish they would have just picked a fucking lane instead of being all wishy washy about it
>yesterday everybody gives me advice for buffing>today try fights that were kicking my ass before with Greater Heroism and True Seeing, Communal>my martials now actually fight enemies like they did in Acts 1 and 2Thanks /v/!
>>737361689>enemy rewards you years after killing you
>>737456543My point is that I don't think they're really that wishy-washy with it. It's pretty clear and apparent that she's a child. People refer to her as one constantly, she's called a beggar girl, she calls herself a child, the lore all points to her being the elven equivalent of a mid-teenager, etc. The only outlier is her model, which I chalk up to laziness.
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>>737394546I want to cumflate her and make hr spread stories about my cock across the continent
>>737395073she's a bard, bards have fucking as a class feature
>>737407743>Maybe her adventure path version where she's just "I will become a half-fiend because why the fuck not"Her AP version isn't even a character and explicitly whored herself out to 13 demon lords.
>>737456670true seeing is really valuable, but personally i just put true seeing on everyone one at a time instead of communal to save diamond dust
>>737440239no romance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of owlcucks whores
>>737458472Your favorite romance in crpgs?
Serious question about Kingmaker: what can I do about the time limit shit mod-wise?From what I read there's no way to permanently disable them all because they're hardcodrd i to the game/all the kingdom stuff is reliant on them, but surely there's a good mod out there that either just makes the prologue's limit obscenely high, or has a toggle so you can play with no limit until you need something to happen/the game to progress?
>>737458623Also but less important, is there any mod that prevents travel-induced Fatigue/Exhaustion?
>>737458623use Toybox. just cheat all the kingdom stuff if you're tired of it.
>>737458623The time limits are so absurdly long I don't see how anyone could run out unless they did it on purpose. If you want more time just don't upgrade stats, that's the only thing that eats time
>>737458870>>737458746>if you're tired of it.I actually haven't delt with it much yet. Apart from the absurdity of having your gross party members like the orc-fucker be members of your cabinet, on my first playthrough when I finally got that far, I spent several in-game days walking out to a location I wanted to explore, and immediately had something happen that the game wanted me to walk all the way back, and that's when I dropped the game.The prolgue limit is way too fucking short I don't even want to hear it.
>>737458623Just do the main quest first then side quests/exploration, and do kingdom management last. You will never run out of time if you this in order.
>>737458329Yeah that's smartI kinda liked being lazy and casting Communal but I can see the regent need biting me in the assIf I make scrolls of it and cast it with someone who has the Enduring Spell feat will those last the extended duration?
>>737459014you can cheat all the events to auto-succeed and complete instantly so you are free to do whatever
>>737459014Bring rations and use them for rests, it'll take less time than hunting. Don't explore the map with heavy or medium encumbrance.
>>737459014The events that say you're wanted at the capital don't mean you need to rush back. It just is telling you there's a quest or upgrade next time you go there.
>>737458549Imoen
>>737460420>Irenicus' used goodslol
>>737460458As long as she is blood related she can never be "used" goods. Incest is life.
>>737361689Do either of the Pathfinder games have a controller scheme? I play only on handheld right now.
>the best trickster moment is when you first unlocked itI'm honestly mad that there are no other scenes of you companions joining in on the fun
>>737455118Ratings boards are really strict about child characters being exposed to realistic violence and other mature situations, if Ember was an actual child and could still end up as >>737421208 the game might have had its age rating bumped up and lost a bunch of sales. Just making her a mentally ill teenager(who's actually like a hundred years old) sidesteps the whole thing.
>>737361689I genuinely thought she was pulling a 4D Chess move by making us appear weak, maybe even sacrificing her own reputation for the sake of the Crusade, so I played along expecting an apology and an explanation, and I'd wave it off as necessary for the crusade and accept her help. I was fucking astounded when it turned out to genuinely just be her emotions getting over her. What the fuck, I could imagine her stewing over it for hours and I'd be sympathetic to her, but to actually work up the nerve to go through with it at such a dire time is so fucking stupid.
>>737452756Arue is the one they specifically changed so she didn't commit cannibalism (she did eat souls though)although people still keep saying that she did even though you can literally ask her and she says no
>>737461531Yea, but I liked the cut dialogue where she ate people.
>>737461815Ok but what does that have to do with what I said
>>737461531Her wording is still suspect.
>>737461531>you can literally ask her and she says noShe WOULD say that wouldn't she
>>737361689>woman moments
>Owlcat getting attention because of Expanse marketing>People start claiming they'll boycott it because Owlcat is Russiandamn
>>737462041Owlcat is a proud Cypriot company
>>737461887Nah she explicitly says that she has never done it>>737461960Anon, even if I were to ignore that it's ooc for her to lie at that point, she doesn't deny other horrible shit she did, and she also says that she ate souls which is way worse
>>737461873idk, I made a comment that it isn't cannibalism if you aren't the same species and you went off on a tangent about how Owlcat rewrite her character which was already established in the comment I responded too.
>>737458549what the other guy said
>>737463781what the other guy said about irenicus
>>737463805irencius is an autist. I don't think the idea of sex even came up. he's too hyperfocused on his retarded plan
>>737362564She just a bit uptight. It's hard wearing the cramped armour all day.
>>737361689I never beat this game because I eventually got fed up with how you move (or not fucking move) on the campaign map. I read that the queen is romanceable. But what did she do specifically for a woman moment.
>>737464632Sends you to Doomguy hell to retrieve a plot device, though the decision to send you was motivated in part by jealousy of your success and in the 6 months you're gone she undoes all your crusade progress and loses several major battles costing you a lot of your army
>>737458329Diamond dust is literally not a problem The only time you can run out is late act 3 But you can literally just buy more
>>737361928not good. not good at all
>>737464910Spending money? I don't know man...
>>737464910Where do I buy more in Act 4 also where do I get money I just spent 100,000 g to find a beggar
>>737466535you sell all the magic weapons and magic armor and rings and shit that all the enemies drop
>>737466813Another 130 Masterwork Bardiches to Wilcer Garms
>>737466813Yeah but I'm not finding that many combats since starting Act 4Getting jumped by street demons mugging me isn't filling my pockets the way clearing out the Ivory Sanctum did
luv my cute wife Galfrey.I forgive her her woman momentsimple as
>>737466960you get a bunch of money if you quickly finish up Greybor's companion quest in act 4
>>737468121based
>>737362075Um, Regill??!Personally I like Cam, she's so silly.
Cam may be a cereal killer but she opens every conversation with >Hey best buddy how are you tell me about your dayso I let it slide
>>737469217she wasn't going to the brothel in act 4 for some frosted flakes
>>737464432I want to be her royal sweat licker.
>>737469686That's not a real thing
>>737363075I blame society
>>737460631Bitch wipe your mouth
What should I build for a "canon" protag? Preferably without class overlap with the other companions
>>737472662CHADvelierCharge all your enemiesBe weirded out when your horse clips into you during cutscenes
>>737472662Monk aeon? I enjoyed the sohei a ton.
>>737472662>human>male>LG>crusader cleric>angel>this avatarYep, it's game time.
>>737472662Even if you include Trever and the lich companions and exclude prestige classes there's still like fifteen classes that no party member is occupying. Angel is the canon path and strongly favors divine casting, but there's already oracle and cleric party members unless you want to be a druid.
>>737472997Speaking of casting, how is Arcanist anyway, sounds like a good class
>>737472662Something with rage as a Demon or something with divine casting as an Angel should both be pretty satisfying.There's no overlap on the former and you can make the latter distinct enough.
>>737473112Magic Deceiver is in contention for the strongest class in the game
>>737473112Arcanist is like a sorceror that trades the bloodline and feats for the ability to learn from scrolls and a bunch of crappy exploit abilities, people mostly use it for Brown Fur Transmuter since it's the best buffer.Magic Deceiver though is a wacky archetype. You automatically learn spells like a cleric and they only go up to 6th level, but you can fuse two spells together for stupid shit like Chain Lightning+Greater Dispel Magic or Fireball+Phantasmal Killer.
It is unfortunate you have to give up your cock to be a Lich, makes it very unappealing.
>>737466535Why lol just find him yourself?Just sell your gear bro as the other guy saidYou don’t need that kukri you’ll never use And act 4 has plenty of combat. You’ll run into these whether you want to or not
>>737473954If you were on the evil nerd path you weren't getting laid anyway
>>737474048Nah but what's fucked up is I can't even get a ghost blowjob from Galfrey because of it.
>The word "cuck" is used 16 times in this thread.I see the schizo was already here.
>>737443470Anon, we know exactly Staunton's decision without an Aeon intervention. He obviously doesn't mind change. He's not an agent of some retarded concept of balance.
>>737430217>She was brought up as a thief and constantly veers into morally grey territory, again another subversion.1. No, she doesn't.2. Her making mistakes is LITERALLY the "errant knight" archetype, old as time.
>>737429103I very much like the Wenduag romance for one thing - it's the only one out of all RPGs I can recall where you see the start of someone's redemption path, not the very tail end and/or a nonsensical transformation within a few weeks (Sarevok in ToB is the worst example of that).
I'm trying to think of Seelah actually taking a chaotic actionI guess "stealing" the cart of beer kind of counts
>>737474795ToB is fucked because the events that happen in party stuff has the timeline go all over the place.Aerie has a full term pregnancy so it's at least 9 months all the way up to 2 years depending on which 2e source they pulled from.Meanwhile the events of the main plot are implying that everything is happening in a very short amount of time since characters are actively reacting to what's going on instead of already having days or weeks of planning.
>>737362075Wrath is such a schizophrenic game when it comes to companions.On one hand you have peak reddit quirk chunguses Nenio and Lann.Then on the other you have the tryhard 12 yo edgelord shit with CamCam or spider bitch.And there's also Shadow the Hedgeheg angle with Regill or Greybor.
>>737474632/crpgg/ found this thread
>>737475727Greybor really does feel like an edgy OC, which is funny because A. they're all OCs and B. he's a fucking dwarfHe's also kind of shit
>>737475435To be fair, Medieval sieges could last for months and years at a time, so Saradush itself isn't the problem.
>>737475727Comparing Regill to Greybor feels like fucking malpractice
>>737474632Owlcat deserves a bit of this reputation when their first game had Octavia and Regongar
>>737475973Technically, Seelah, Arushalae, and Queen Galfrey aren't Owlcat OCs.
>>737475973>edgyAnon, if you play as True Aeon you find out he's coping about the life he's leading. If you retcon the Worldwound while keeping your companions' memories, he never leaves his family. If you pay attention on certain other paths as well you can figure out he's putting up a front.And that's the main takeaway of the True Aeon End - MOST OF THEM DO:>Wenduag leads a peaceful life and/or goes out looking for (You) if romanced.>Lann leads a peaceful life.>Greybor never leaves his family and leads a peaceful life.>Trebor never leaves his village and leads a peaceful life.And so on. The only exceptions are Ember, Woljif and Regill.
>>737476091They aren't even the first polyamorous relationship - I think the first instance was NWN: Hordes of the Underdark.And actually getting into a proper three-way romance with them is hard as balls and requires you to play the most deranged CN lunatic imaginable, since the two never share point gains and can even contradict one another in this regard.
>>737476094The problem with Greybor isn't that he's coping or putting up a front, it's that his actions in narrative are written to be hardcore and serious while in actuality not being thatThere's dissonance when Greybor claims to high heavens he's a professional and yet betrays the party for a couple thousand gold (in an incredibly stupid way to boot). He's purportedly hyper competent but he flubs an assassination on screen and looks like an absolute doofus doing itHe's just written badly, and him having a tragic backstory doesn't change the fact that he threatens half the party in camp conversations in really stupid ways
>>737476310He also always goes down in the dragon fight I specifically hire him to do
>>737476310>Badly written For you maybe.I think the very mundane issue of him having a mid-life crisis juxtaposed by him doing insane shit and being a total fucking dork trying to act like he's still got it is funny as hell.It's so on the nose I can't help but think it's intentional.
>>737476094Is the Aeon path really this interesting? I've seen people glaze it and praise it.
>>737476742It rewrites significant portions of the plot as it's main narrative thing. It's pretty cool and rather unique. Also being a time lawtist is highly amusing.
>>737476742>>737476805It's also one of the literally two paths (Demon and Aeon) where it's actually properly conveyed throughout the game that you're turning into something decidedly non-human.Lich is "Necromancer Path" for 80% of its entire runtime, and with Angel and Azata you just feel like a super-powered human.
>>737362075This so much. I want to customize my entire party, not just one.
>>737476742You get to make it so the worldwound never happened. Wenduag and Lann suddenly have always been normal people and they get married, but they still remember being mongrels and their time with you
>>737404775still have no clue why owlkeks used MYTHIC as a term for their outsider-based parallel progression system when tabletop already has role-based parallel progression system with the same namei guess there are few appropriate words, and it's less egregious than reusing EPIC? seems weird regardless, devs could have just used a thesaurus
>>737476963What about EGREGIOUS
>>737476949>have always been normal people and they get marriedThat's if you don't keep their memories. If you do and romanced neither they just remain neighbors.Their epilogues were completely scuffed for almost two years, and you always got the same one, no matter if your romanced either of them or not, if you redeemed Wenduag etc.
>>737476883Lich one makes sense liches literally aren't non-human until the ritual, just very naughty mortals.Swarm that walks is also distinctly different but the build up to it requires a LOT of headcanon on the players part since it's made very clear that Swarm is full of resentment and loathing but you can still play your character very happily since it's a replacement mythic and not really its own path until late in the game. Devil and Dragon have the same problems to a lesser degree
>>737477075I'm not even counting late-game paths because they're all extremely bad when it comes to the "you're turning into something inhuman" aspect.
>>737477071Lann's ending if romanced him and kept his memories is extremely kino now. Wenduag's is even better.
>>737477124Some of it is just because writing it is simply impossible.Trickster has you explicitly becoming more in line with the Fae than normal races but Fae are so abstract and separated from normal races that you can't really express their way of thinking directly, just our interpretation of it and while that's a neat concept it's also a narrative trap because how do you write a 1st person PoV for something your human readers cannot actually comprehend?
>>737477202What is it?
>>737477071I like how Cam ends up safely in an insane asylum when the Aeon Commander fixes the timeline
>>737453490>cam fan>having any opinion about seelah???>regill all the way down>nenio above daeranthey call him the man with the worst taste alive
>>737477248A very talented writer could do it But Owlcat doesn't have anyone like that
>>737477202>Lann's ending if romanced him and kept his memoriesQRD?
>>737477403He starts traveling the world in order to drown out the sorrow of missing FemCommander.
>>737477403That doesn't sound too good. I want him and Wendog to be happy together.
>>737477609>I want him and Wendog to be happy together.So you just erase their memories.
>>737478352Ok sweet I'll do that next time
I was against wenduag until she hit me with the "look after me?" shit and sucker that I am I fell for it.
>>737478437The problem with Wenduag is that it's suggested at a few moments that he's this much of a bitch because her spiel about "hurr durr the demonic corruption only made me stronger" is bullshit and it actually twisted her personality, and only through the power of love does she slowly start becoming herself again. But it isnt' signalled strongly enough.
>>737478689Because that's not true. Wenduag is still a huge and brutal bitch but she genuinely does resent being a drifting traitor since she did have a loving family when she was a child and knows that something better is possible but it's always out of reach given her circumstances and fucked up morals.It's why either the power of love and dick for the romance route or just plain brutalizing her and her worldview proving that it's nothing if you picked lann over her originally result in her finally getting a grip and embracing more positive traits.
