They need to be more willing to throw wedges into their friendship. Tails deserves better than just being a Sonic fanboy.
niggs its a kids game
>"serious" sonic momentAll I ever see is pic.
>Here's your girlfriend's seed, Tails.I still can't believe the anime shipped Tails with a plant.
>>737362390Maybe they should make a good fucking game. Or a good movie.
>>737362604I have many things to say in my defense of why I choose to spend time around this franchise.
>>737362810Autism is the only defense you need anon.
the amount of drama in sonic games is fucking hilarious to me. the utter juxtaposition between it and what it was originally supposed to be. like imagine some kindergarten show like picrel surviving the 80's and 90's and you try to tune in and it's about a world-ending plot with giant mechanoids destroying everything.and i think the devs have this discomfort too, somewhere deep inside, which just makes them write the dialogue even weirder because of the awkwardness of the situation, and it's a cursed circle, which is why the dialogue would be fucking weird even for humans to say let alone these big-armed cartoon furries.
>>737362390wedgies?might cum from that desu famalamn
The more I hear from normalfags the more I'm convinced it's actually them who are simpleminded and not the autistsAn aut' can look at silly looking toony characters having a serious deep emotional moment and comprehend it beyond their looks, but a normie can't feel intent, they only trust their eyes and not atmosphere, if it doesn't "look" serious then they can't bring themselves to conceptualize of it being serious despite of it
>>737363303>normies are just socially acceptable retardsis the hardest pill to swallow but once it goes down it all starts to make sense
>>737363303>but a normie can't feel intent, they only trust their eyes and not atmosphereNigger that's like autism 101.Normal people are retarded, but so are you for thinking your autism is a super power.
>>737362482God I love KH pics.
>>737363468You're aaaaaalmost getting itAll normalfags traits are just autism traits in a conformist accepted bundle
>>737363303normalfags watch shows like rick and morty where that happens constantly, not everyone with a different opinion from you is a normalfag.the reason it looks silly is the characters were clearly designed with the INTENT to be children's characters doing simple things and were not supposed to be starring in serious drama scenes. it's like trying to take picrel seriously.
>Us sonic fans are adults, sega, we can handle a little swearing
>>737362390Does he though?
>>737364047Sonic was always supposed to be an edgier alternative to Mario.
>>737364309how was the original sonic supposed to be edgy?
>>737362482I try to explain this to Sonicfags from time to time but it's really just a futile effort usually. As an older Sonicfag, the older you get, the more receptive you are to outside perspectives about the series. No, not everyone will be able to take SA2's plot seriously and will laugh when they should be sad during certain cutscenes, simply because of what >>737363034 is saying. (Among other things.) There's always going to be a disconnect on some level regarding drama and Sonic simply because of what Sonic is. (There's also the fact that Sonic games were retroactively made more serious and dark after SA1, on and off, so it makes dramatic Sonic stories seem even more stupid to the outside observer.) The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can live with the Arin Hansons of the world sharing a different viewpoint from you, and you'll be better able to shrug off their mockery of your enjoyment of Sonic the way you do. >that's kek mentality And what are you supposed to do? Screech at them impotently on the internet? That just makes you look even more silly to them. You can try to explain it rationally I guess, but you and I both know the average normalgroid will never understand it.Sure, lotta fags out there are gonna shit on you for thinking SA2's plot is kino or whatever. So what? It's not for them. Who gives a shit? Life's too short to get hung up on this strange persecution complex that a lot of Sonicfags seem to have. Just enjoy whatever autistic shit it is you like about Sonic and ignore everything else. >>737364309In the games? Not really. The darker and edgier Sonic was mostly American marketing. Which is fine, because that played a big role in Sonic blowing up the way that he did in the 90s, but still, the games themselves were about on par with Mario in terms of tone.
I honestly don't understand this obsession over Sonic characters, lore and the like. Maybe because I grew up in central Europe where everyone was playing on PC and only couple of people on PSX and later PS2, if they had rich parents.
>>737362390Can't beleive Tails took that cyanide capsule just because Sonic told him.
>>737362482I never understood the appeal and do not regret bullying tge kids that liked it in school 20 years ago
SEGA is incompetent as hell. If they actually knew what they were doing, they wouldn't have had to be bailed out by the Yakuza (lol) 4 times.
>>737364468Look at Sonic CD’s bad futures
>>737363034I don't think its impossible to have a dramatic moment in something like Sonic or Mario. Just don't overplay it and keep it simple.
>>737362446rated E, for everyone
>>737365329>has to skip to CD
>>737364518>Who gives a shit?Paramount and the movie-going public.
>>737366367>development of Sonic CD started in 1992
>>737366507and finished in 1993
>>737366285Damn Sega sold a game with Rouge's big juicy ears jiggling around for all to see?
>>737362390>Tails deserves better*worse
>>737363034>played 2d sonic as a young lad>come back to it years later as a adolescent>series has went full retardwas there ever a reason for the devs going nuclear tier autism with sonic? Mario has had a similar downfall, just slower and less egregious
>>737365058>bullyok, failed normalfag.
>>737366382>the movie-going public.
>>737366564so you admit the series only took 2 years to start getting darker. actually, even shorter, since Tails dies in the bad ending of Sonic 2 8-bit (1992)
>>737366664>western comic has a cucking storylinewhy do they always do this
>>737366664
>>737366794the year were the final episode of youtube indie animations get theatrical releases
>>737364518"as an older sonicfag" that´s the issue man, you didn´t grow up in the era where people talk about adventure time seriously, people are genuinely invested in shit like digital circus worldwideget over it man, people are going to die over their retarded doodled characters and normies aren´t smarter than you think they are
>>737362390They tried doing that with lost world, but every time sonic team tries something interesting when pussy out. Sonic adventure 2 has the most memorable story since it goes all in on the autistic vision.
>>737366664>>737366850Is this why Tails is gay now?
>>737366953No sorry only speak English short distance
>>737366842not really, you haven't shown anything dark. except the tails ending but it is an extreme standout.the original concept for sonic was a cute blue hedgehog saving animals from a cartoonishly ball-shaped mega-mustached villain. at some point they considered having robotnik run around in pajamas.the original concept of mario was that the souls of the people in the mushroom kingdom got trapped into metal blocks and mario is freeing them. and the villain is a big spiky turtle throwing fire at you. i don't see how sonic has the edge over this.
>>737367195he always was
>>737366285Kids love boobies too.
>>737363034>"the amount of drama in sonic games is fucking hilarious to me. the utter juxtaposition between it and what it was originally supposed to be. like imagine some kindergarten show like picrel surviving the 80's and 90's and you try to tune in and it's about a world-ending plot with giant mechanoids destroying everything.and i think the devs have this discomfort too, somewhere deep inside, which just makes them write the dialogue even weirder because of the awkwardness of the situation, and it's a cursed circle, which is why the dialogue would be fucking weird even for humans to say let alone these big-armed cartoon furries."
>>737367276>leave out a single letter>WTF IS THIS, CHINESE???lol
>>737366846>westernI read Water Margin a few years ago and the longest individual chapter throughout the entirety of the novel was an NTR plot. It's universal
>>737367307
>>737367307>at some point they considered having robotnik run around in pajamasyou're confusing that with early concept art when he was the hero before they made sonic, you complete retard monkey nigger>that the souls of the people in the mushroom kingdom got trapped into metal blocksthey've just been transformed through magic into fucking brown bricks, no "souls" shit, but downright embarrassing how you're trying to make it sound as heccin badass and dark as possible like "dude their fucking souls are trapped in eternal damnation dude so metal"
>>737367482Nickelodeon rejected the script. While this was a stupid move at the end of the day, not everyone is into serious furries or even animation. That's perfectly fine, and no one is getting hurt besides mentally ill chuds.
>>737367641>you're confusing that with early concept artconfusing it with what? it's literally what i was talking about. not gonna continue talking to you because i see you're bad faith.
>>737367523I genuinely don't understand your post amigo
>Cartoon animals can't be serious or dar-ACK!!!
>>737367984you might have brain damage cabron
>>737367984then stop thinking about Robux during English class, Billy.https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/its-that-time-of-year-when-or-where.3386573/
>>737367798>confusing it with what? it's literally what i was talking aboutthere's quite a bit of difference between "before sonic existed, eggman was the main character, with early concept art showing him as a cutesy hero in pajamas, but then they made sonic and reworked eggman's hero design into a villain" and "they considered having the villain run around in pajamas!" you disingenuous cuntthe fucking irony of you claiming bad faith right afterwards you projecting faggot
>>737367307>the original concept for sonic was a cute blue hedgehog saving animals from a cartoonishly ball-shaped mega-mustached villain.actually it was a pair of twins saving a dream-like world from an oppressive villain
>>737362482>>737362446An 'earnest' scene is not a bad thing. It shows that you are willing to make a genuine statement on something. Tails losing his friend and potential love interest isn't played for laughs, it was a sacrifice she made to save everyone from a threat that was played completely straight. >>737364468Edgy is the wrong word, he's clearly more 'grounded' than Mario, in the sense that he's more expressive at the time (Pic related, his idle when you don't control him) and not static, he's constantly moving and the original games at least are more fast-paced.
>>737362490>>Here's your girlfriend's seedThere are futas in Sonic?
>>737368378itt: anon discovers what summarizing is
>>737368378please explain the part that makes such a significant difference that you had to derail the entire discussion to be about it.
>>737368920>summarizing is when you leave out important information in order to mislead
>>737369045nta, i'm still waiting for my point to be addressed. (>>737367621)
This image also sums up Sonic's character.
>>737369045>please explain the part that makes such a significant differenceyour argument is "the villain isn't meant to be scary, he was even going to wear pajamas"the truth is "when he was a completely different character with a different design who wasn't a villain, he worse pajamas">derail the entire discussionthat was your only point retard, and it's a shit one because if I show you an early concept of john carpenter's the thing as a funny tentacle dog who helps his friends for a kid's movie, would you say he's not mean to be threatening or serious in the final movie?
>>737362390Have Tails fuck Amy (full onscreen penetration)
>>737364518Being a 'sonicfag' who didn't grow up with Sonic is the best. You have a self-awareness of how weird it is, the first time you play SA2 so you don't go around acting weird about it being some "hallmark" gaming moment, but just a great Sonic game in the evolution of Sonic, knowing that not everybody understands the significance of that.I played Sonic Rush as my first game when I was 13. Then Sonic 06 (the reason I became interested), but before I got my PS3 I played Heroes and Shadow and thought they were bad. Then watched some Sonic X, Sonic & The Secret Rings. And then eventually I got to play SA1 and SA2, and actually play through the Genesis games.And from that POV Sonic is just a weird franchise, but one that I love and keep hidden from anyone I know IRL, and I always have.
>>737367482I like Adventure Time, but it's an absurdist show that sucks at taking itself seriously and feels like creators inserting "personal fanfic" into the show to pull it in the direction they want when it does this. Having the show be unusually serious at times can work to mix things up, if and when it plays into the vibe it already has, but it ends up going way too far in taking one off plot point characters and making them sources of ongoing drama that isn't interesting.
>>737369772>Being a 'sonicfag' who didn't grow up with Sonic is the best>I played Sonic Rush as my first game when I was 13anon, I...
>>737369662Just read Furry Bomb #3.
>>737369898he's right, he didn't.the first Sonic game i ever played was 1, on a Genesis kiosk in a Target.
>>737369194no, my argument was that at some point of the development of this "edgy alternative to mario" they considered having the main protagonist be a goofy pajama wearing dude.>if I show you an early concept of john carpenter's the thing as a funny tentacle dog who helps his friends for a kid's movie, would you say he's not mean to be threatening or serious in the final moviesuch a concept doesn't exist, i wonder why. it's almost like even during early concepts the creators hold onto some core idea.
>>737369804I recently looked into it, it was made for my age group but i missed out because we got rid of cable and thusly cartoon network right before it startedSo far the early seasons are like any other CN show like courage the cowardly dog, absurdist funny stuff for kids, but then you see Rebecca Sugar appear more in the credits and it just goes downhill from there
>>737362482>>737363034Why do people never say this about Mario fans jerking off Super Paper Mario?
>>737370446It's ok when X does it
>>737366850Tails deserve nothing but love
>>737370491Yes, Nintendo are generally bloody good about allowing their properties to be serious in ways that work.
>>737370446paper mario has an artstyle different from default mario, and new/rewritten characters to fit the tone.the sonic games just grab the default sonic model and put him next to a mech, or in knight armor, or next to a human woman.
>>737362390
>>737370630>>737370671The claim was that serious stories with cartoony-looking characters inherently doesn't work. Paper Mario characters look just as cartoony as their mainline counterparts, if not more so.So which is it, niggers?
>>737370630
>>737371071Good point lmao
>>737370630lil?
>>737371046>The claim was that serious stories with cartoony-looking characters inherently doesn't workwhere did anyone make that claim?
>>737367195yeah he realized that a male human would love him unconditionally and made the switch
>>737371291Being serious doesn't justify head-up-ass bad writing.
>>737370105>they considered having the main protagonist be a goofy pajama wearing dude.they considered having the main protagonist be a lot of different thingshttps://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Sonic_the_Hedgehog_%28Genesis%29/Concepts_%26_Ideas
>>737371349In the posts I quoted here >>737370446 you fucking Jew.
>>737370630I know someone posted a game from it but the entire series is literally Nintendo's sonic. You go fast through rings and then you get cringe adventure games.
>>737364468"edgy" in the early 90s meant riding a skateboard past your curfew and saying "yeah, whatever" when your parents told you to eat your veggies.
>>737371594And the utter contempt for the series from the developers. Can't forget about that part!
>>737369183unironic peak
>>737371469nah in >>737363034 what i was actually saying was that it's a juxtaposition between the original intent during its inception and the current intent. nothing to do with it being a cartoon.so many people here can't read.
>>737371734And that its lore/development is split between west/east and riddled with localization errors and whored out to anyone desperate enough to take it.
>>737371776That's an obvious shift of the goalpost which the point I made still applies to anyway. The "original intent during its inception" of Mario's design wasn't for serious stories any more than Sonic's worse.
>>737371776do you agree that the reverse is also ridiculous in juxtaposition? all the R-rated adult franchises that were turned into kids cartoons?
>>737372103>Sonic's worse*Sonic's wasI made a typo but I'm getting on top of it
>>737372103>Sonic's worseHE ADMITS ITSUFFAH SONIGGER
>>737372103>That's an obvious shift of the goalpostno it's literally what i say in >>737363034 word for word>the utter juxtaposition between it and what it was originally supposed to bei never said "cartoon"
>>737372129>the reverse is also ridiculousobviously, but i can't really think of any examples of a reverse of this.
>>737370446Super Paper Mario uses OCs for its emotional moments instead of putting preestablished characters in serious situations and creating comical juxtapositions.
>>737371071Aren't the Mario and Rabbids games almost entirely comedy focused?
>>737372336you try to use '80s examples to back your point and you really can't think of any? there's a lot.
>>737365710>Just don't overplay it and keep it simpleJapanese love overplaying that shit I swear to God their gamedevs have this stageplay mentality where all the characters have to overact, and then you get the abstraction of eng VAs on top of that for more modern titles and it's a weird disconnect, even in the "appropriate" environment (mgs4 comes to mind)
>>737370625Little boys do not have child bearing hips like this
>>737372551Some were good thoughbeit
>>737372792they sure were
>>737372551Toxic Avenger (or pretty much every Troma movie that I can think of) was still always meant to be comedic, regardless of the amount of gore involved
>>737366664>sweet boyThat is a problem though. Tails can't be chad because he's not allowed to age. He can't be edgy-cool like all the other characters because cute fagboy tails is already proven in marketing.
>>737362482>le cartoon do an edgyWhat should we do instead, have endless cartoons with gross out gags and characters hitting each other over the head with mallets?God forbid children get some media with somewhat interesting characters and stories to expand their imagination with
>>737372987rated R, my man.do you think all comedies are made for kids?
>>737373178It's not a tonal shift is what I'm saying. Obviously sex and gore are not kid-appropriate.
>>737370446NuSonic games are bad so they are unforgivable
>>737366664>Gets rejected once, for a completely fair reason>Immediately froths with incel rageShe dodged a bullet.
>>737362390>They need to be more willing to throw wedges into their friendship.That's what Lost World did.
>>737370446paper mario fans will ack- themselves given enough time and it's a mute point arguing with a self-correcting problem
Yikes... friendly reminder mobians wether "male" or female would NEVER do it with humans men
>>737374653kill yourself faggot
>>737362390> gives Tails a love interest> is forced to shoot her in the face to save the worldSonic X is a rollercoaster of quality, the episode where Sonic is with the girl in the wheelchair is what he live action movies should've been
>>737373554>removing all the R content from an R movie is not a tonal shift, but adding a little drama to Sonic isok
>>737362390>Tails gets pregnantWTF, I thought Tails was a GUY!?
>>737376537not in some countries
>>737362390Britbongoïds got it right.
>>737368871No but his dead girlfriend was a plant.
>>737372443The OCs are recolors of existing enemies.
>>737378728You know, as much as people like screaming "NOT CANON. NOT CANON.", I genuinely can't see Tails without thinking of this image or even the Classic games where he's keeping up with Sonic and can fly on top of it. Even without his development in Sonic Adventure, his recent appearances where he doesn't do anything but make gadgets feels wrong.
>>737363034You used a fucking terrible example for your post because the Fraggles had the episode where they're trapped in a cave in and slowly suffocating and tlaking about what death is like.
>>737379024i was hoping to generate an episode like that out of chaos magick. thank you
>>737363303>ermmmm theyre not making the facial micro expressions i learned to subconsciously notice as a toddler, therefore its not seriousThey just dont know how to learn new things and everything has to cohere with what they already know since they were children
>>737379118It's not even a late episode, that shit's from Season 1
This might be the most reddit thread ive ever seen on this god forsaken board>le sonic is actually...le edgy!>noooooo, mario is way more edgy!>*pushes up glasses* did you know that AKSHUALLY mario and sonic were originally supposed to be this instead of that! It was so dark and serious!!!Like nigga got damn its a faggot ass kid series and youre almost 30
>>737363034fraggle rock had serious shit all the fucking time retard
>>737379401not really comparable
>>737379507then why use it as a comparison faggot
>>737379353>Like nigga got damn its a faggot ass kid series>>737366285
>>737379353>youre almost 30I appreciate your generosity.
>>737379475If this became canon that would be the nail in the coffin for this series.
>>737379634Rated E for Everyone. He wasn't kidding when he said that.
>>737362482That's because you're a nigger
>>737379743i sure wasn't
>>737379812You just said the N word.
>>737366664>>737366850
>>737373953Think about it this way:>have cool older brother-like friend>he treats you like a kid which is slightly annoying>have a crush on your hot older neighbourhood sister>get brotherzoned>bro knows you have a crush on the older girl>bro fucks the girl even though he didn't have any feelings for her initiallyYou'd be pissed too.
>She dodged a bullet.t.
>>737380498>gokekPottery
>>737374309moot point you fucking americano goblino
Do you guys think Sonic and Tails fuck in secret? and who tops?
>>737380498Lmao that goku
>>737379353you are a hispanic-american cockroach
>>737381039Sonic uses Tails as his toilet slave on long journeys
>>737363034>which just makes them write the dialogue even weirder because of the awkwardness of the situationI see why you would think that but a lot of the awful story game were written by the fucking happy tree friends writers of all people. Before that the awkward dialouge is perfectly excusable as early japanese games jank ass dubbing which you cannot argue only effected sonic. I think heros is the gold standard for sonic dialouge. Cheesy, sincere, with no awkward pauses or anything like that.
>>737381756>a lot of the awful story game were written by the fucking happy tree friends writers of all people.
>>737380339Sonic and Sally having some kind of romantic interest between them went as far back as the cartoon the Archie Comics were based on. It was established long before they wrote Tails's crush on her into the comic. >>737380498She was never in a relationship with Tails. He was never betrayed. There's no "open relationship" going on, either. Tails is not morally entitled to a higher level of Sally's affection, she never did anything to imply that he was.
>>737381923>The writing was better than Ian Flynn's garbage.
>>737362390He's too damn slow, yeah, even for a foxHe's scared of Koopa shells and question blocksAnyone can fly a planeAnyone can vacuum ghostsBut it's not easy being loved the mostNo wonder Switch brand color isn't green (Mamma mia, I'd kill myself!)And SEGA's blue like all the coolest things (Ha-ha, like me!)Who else would make a barrel swing?Who else would date the Koopa Queen?The burden falls on heroes of the screenFuck itReady player two!Ready ready player player two!Ready player two!Ready ready player player two!It's time to raise my voiceIt's time to make some noise'Cause I'm a second choiceI'm just a second choiceSo-called protagonistYou mold my agoniesI get up off my kneesI'm pressing start nowWhen his baby in troubleI'm runningI'm playing his humble taller doubleWhen it's 'bout my Boo, he's ghostingAnd watching me stumbleYou be hatin' my struggle'Cuz I'ma snatch the air bubbleI'm just tryna liveTryna set me free from your lil brothaThe movie sold me shortWas in it less than ToadI'm betting my spaghettiYou're getting stomped onWe're never at the frontA spinoff afterthoughtThis time we're catching upTo tear your fuckin' needles off!I'm tired of being a botherA player two equals zeroIt's always Mario BrothersAnd Sonic HeroesRise up against glory hedgehogsAnd mushroom-swallowing gluttonsNew game plus awaits,Now we smash buttons!We're not your clockwork toysWound up with just your voiceAlways a second choiceWe're not a second choiceSo called protagonistsYou mold our agoniesWe get up off our kneesJust wait a secondIt's time to raise my voiceIt's time to make some noiseWe're not a second choiceWe're not a second choiceSo-called protagonistsYou mold our agoniesWe're getting off our kneesWe're smashing start nowReady player two!Ready ready player two!Ready player two!Ready ready player player two!Ready player two!Ready ready player two!Ready player two!
>>737362390SonTails is kino
>>737363034That's not unique to Sonic. It's most entertainment now, including the vast majority of anime, most games and shit like Marvel, Star Wars and so on.
>>737384396Too incest coded for my tastes
>>737376304Yes. The gore and sex were presented in a goofy, silly way. Cartoonish, even.>>737384704I blame Frank Miller, personally. The CCA did nothing wrong. I think what's really going on is people consumed these media as children and refused to move past it growing up. They know it's shameful to keep consuming media intended for children, so they inject mature themes so they can claim it's not just for kids.
>>737373053>cute fagboy tailsyes, that's why I love him. his SA2 character theme absolutely screams "cute fagboy". no straight guy would sing like that
>>737385124They're not even the same species, but it does mean that Sonic grooms Tails
>>737385357That's why I said incest "coded" instead of straight up incest
>>737385327Please censor those beans, they are far too lewd for my virgin eyes.
>>737385995rare footage (not really) of Tails fucking human men.
>>737362482>Step aside Sora...I'll handle this
>>737384150>Sally That's not Sally
>>737362390Well, they tried to create conflict between them in Lost World and it was complete dogshit, like everything else about that game
>>737362390worked well for amy
>>737385317Irony poisoning kills all joy and soul. You are a plague on art and society
>>737385317>the adult content was so silly!glad to know Sausage Party is a kid's movie
>>737386951I'd be okay if Amy got sidelined if they genuinelly gave Tails a relationship with Sonic. Those doujins I read redpilled me on Tails being yaoi. For many years it's the only yaoi stuff I ever liked.
>>737365321GUH
>>737362390Sorry pedo fags, he is getting groomed by an older woman and grows up to be a chad smashing bat pussy.
>>737385995TF8 is such a gigafaggot it is hilarious.
>>737389172Whops forgot the image
