Why do people talk about gacha like it's a genre?It's like saying battle passes are gameplay instead of a monetization system. Blue Archive, Genshin, ZZZ and Honkai Star Rail all get lumped together despite them being a TRPG, an Open World adventure game, a full action game and traditional turn based RPG respectively.Why not group together to their actual genres?
>>737363120incest
>>737363120Because there's enough similarities to group them together?Genres are retarded but that's how they work.
>>737363120It's the same as grouping games as single player or multiplayer. It doesn't matter if they're different genres, in the end you still have a lot of similarities, enough to classifiy them as their own thing.
>>737363120Because they're all bad and only get discussed when you lower your standards enough so it's necessary to lump them together as gacha games
you are correct, we should just call it slop
>>737363120because they all have that in common? are you retarded
>>737363120Because the focus of these games are the gacha. Everything is built around that.
The presence of gacha and battle passes are enough to make people avoid a game entirely, it doesn't matter what is going on in the game beyond that. You don't need to know exactly whats on the menu to know you won't like a restaurant, just knowing if its fast food or not is enough
>>737363120Because normalfags are retarded, and /v/ is even worse, as much as they try to pretend they're different.
>>737363120Genres exist to categorize appeal and fans of those gameplay genres on console don't typically play gacha.Meanwhile, a Blue Archive player is far more likely to play Genshin or Honkai than any Fire Emblem or console TRPG.
>>737363120>worse gameplay, story, and characters than any other game due to its infinitely predatory nature>90% of it is eternal platonic, not even worth to see romance with the girlsYou literally just play gacha because you want to gamble and you like being a wage slave doing online dailies, nothing else.
>>737363120You're lying to yourself if you think the gacha release model doesn't affect how the stages are designed in these games
>>737363715>>worse gameplay, story, and characters than any other game due to its infinitely predatory natureNigger have you played any of the games OP mentioned? They have better gameplay than 99% of modern games. Stop being a fucking retard talking about shit you don't know anything about.
>>737363935Stop being poor and buy a PC or console. Clicking “AUTO” is not gameplay.
I like how nobody is posting images
>>737363935tell any RPG enthuaist that a gacha like HSR or BA plays better than any modern console JRPG for either a laugh or a slap in the place
>>737363120sea? more like seax hot and steamy without protection all day and all night
>>737363120because thanks to older gacha games and clickbait content creators, gacha has such a bad reputation that no amount of gameplay variety can make some people actually try it, so they keep repeating the same casino jpeg bullshit on repeat
>>737363120Same reason people see a landfill and call it all garbage.
>>737363120because despite all the coping about gameplay or story or whatever, most gacha players fundamentally just like gacha mechanics in the same way slot machine addicts fundamentally just like slot machines. they might have preferences as to whether they'd rather play the pirate-themed slot machine or the space-themed slot machine but that's ultimately immaterial to the important thing, i.e. the gambling. gacha players don't want to admit this because that would mean admitting they're gambling addicts who are dedicating their time and money to games they don't even really care about, so they get into gay MY SLOT MACHINE IS BETTER THAN YOURS slapfights to compensate
>>737363120play what you want, and don't let /v/ decide for you
>>737363120F2P games are all very much alike with the grind, chores, daily logins, energy bars and paywalled stuff, and gacha is particularly bad with these and adds its own issues.
>>737363935I played (and still play some) them all other than BA and you're full of shit.
>>737363359>The presence of gacha and battle passes are enough to make people avoid a game entirelyMeanwhile in reality: Mihoyo is more profitable than Nintendo and Genshin is way more popular than Zelda. Get out of our tendie hugbox sometime.
>>737363120Brotherfucker
>>737363120Because the gacha system is always the most prominent element in a gacha game and tends to overshadow the other game mechanics to the extent it ruins a comparison. A person who wants to play a more traditional TRPG, sandbox, action, RPG, etc., isn't going to necessarily want to play a gacha game.
>>737363278Soulslikes already take that title
>>737363120Gacha is a genre
>>737365728>profitable=goodkekerino
>>737363120She looks like she fucks her brother
>>737363120Ignoring the monetization aspect that all gacha have:>Slop archiveGook garbage larping around as a japanese VN (a bad one at that) with a joke of an excuse for "gameplay">GenchinkBecomes boring once the novelty of an open world gacha wears off and it turns into chest collection tedium>YenzeroGenerally fun button mashing action but endgame content being all time attack speedrun slop that mandates using the same meta teams and builds really kills the creative freedom and challenge you get to have with playing and making teams. Also the china story sucked>Shart railCould be a decent chinese "J"RPG but the fact that every character only has 3 attack options (attack, big attack, biggest attack) really makes it dull and not so interesting as a "J"RPG. Also the china story suckedAnyway my problem with gacha games and companies is that they pull in so much money and instead of putting that money back into the game they just silently pocket it. And chink censorship.
Agreed, we should call them Hamster Wheels.
>>737363120They're phone games. Any genre they could play as is held back by being on a phone. The only genres for phone games are gacha and not gacha and every game you listed is a gacha
>>737367259even if they were console games, they'd need to sacrifice core gameplay functions to make the gacha system work long term
>flying Londonthey finally escape perpetual raining
>>737364042Good thing there's no such thing in these games
Because those games prioritize monetization than gameplay.They will annoy the fuck out of you so you pay for shit instead of letting you play the game.
>>737365728>b-but nintendo!I've been playing genshin since launch you stupid, overly defensive faggot. People avoid games that have gacha in them, and call "people" like you who screech and piss their pants any time they are insulted mouth breathing gachafags who pay thousands of dollars for PNGs, this is the reality outside of your generals
>>737367872>literal bangbuslmao
>>737368218The argument doesn't really work because gacha games are massively popular. More popular than their non-gacha parallels.>GenshinMore popular than Zelda>HSRMore popular than any JRPG>ZZZMore popular than most console action games
>>737368771Cigarettes, alcohol, and gambling are all "massively popular" as well, yet none would argue that these things are good for society.Gacha is simply highly-profitable mental poison that exploits its audience in ways that are dangerous even by video game standards. It is a net detriment to society.
>>737363935>They have better gameplay than 99% of modern gamesThe gameplay in question:
>>737363120>Why not group together to their actual genres?you mean cookie clickers? because all you do in those games is mash attack button until you get the press X to awesome prompt
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>>737369209what make this different than pressing claim item in the """"real game""""
>>737369209why do humans love CLAIMING so much
>>737368771funny how their popularity didnt come from prior fans of those genres
>>737363120gacha is a genre because the game structure and all the gameplay mechanics are designed around the monetization systems. Gacha arent normal games with the gacha tacked on, everything warps around the monetization just like other live service cancer.
>>737368895So you are now moving to the "it's le bad" soccer mom tier argument even though you said "people are not willing to try out something because it's gacha" at first. Newsflash: nobody cares about what tendies think outside of /v/.>It is a net detriment to societyGenchads helped fund a nuclear reactor. Nintendo funds LGBT propaganda and globohomo.
>>737369403you get to use the item
>>737369863so, the same thing
>>737369786You sound happy to have funded china's nuclear superiority
>>737369786>Talking about LGBT propaganda when Mihoyo games are almost exclusively played by yuritrannies and fujos>Keeps bringing up Nintendo unprompted
>>737369863So the exact same thing? The rewards in there are upgrade materials for characters, weapon EXP items, money, keys to open areas in the overworld that grant you rewards, pulls on the standard and limited banners, craftable weapon blanks for multiple weapon types, an item for your dollhouse, and energy to farm for more items to build your characters.
>>737370174>yuribait that isn't even actual yuri is equivalent to pushing for gay marriage in JapanLmao
>>737369209>not hundreds of hours of story>not hundreds of hours of exploration>no, the gameplay I will nitpick is... claiming rewards for said story and explorationKill yourself
>>737370554>StoryPaimon talking about food for 100 hours is good actually>ExplorationThe exploration in question:
>>737371220>i-it doesn't countConcession accepted, try not being a disingenuous faggot next time.
>>737371220>i will only take into consideration the 0.001% of bad examples and consider them as all there iskill yourself
>>737365931>Because the gacha system is always the most prominent element in a gacha game and tends to overshadow the other game mechanics to the extent it ruins a comparisonBut it isn't. I see the gacha system in ZZZ maybe twice a month, playing every day.
>>737371220sometimes I think these gacha antis are even bigger retards
post gameplay
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>>737369403>pressing claim item in the """"real game"""" >pulls on the standard and limited banners >pullslolee That's a difference right there. *ahem* In the first place, you'd have to be more specific. a normal game doesn't have claim item buttons. In a real game, I get 500 gold in a treasure chest. There's meaning in that gold. The shop's weapon is 700 gold. I'm getting hard-earned gold that has meaningful value in the game system. In this slop, I just randomly get 500000000 gold. There's no value. That's the fake currency to the real currency that does something. I'll randomly get it based on the day I log in. If I get 5000000 gold by logging in, it's meaningless. You get it by logging in and by default that means the currency doesn't do anything since it's expected that you'll get 5000000000 gold by logging in. It's clutter that badly needs some "claim all" button but then you won't get happy clicking. It should give all the gold at once to get value. But then you've another currency that actually does something, like pulling characters, and at that point it's gamblingslop, which is its own problem, you're gambling, putting even that aside, but the fact I'm using a different currency to get real stuff means gold doesn't do anything and is just cluttering the screen all the time. Drop 500000 gold in the game with the chest by logging in and it basically ruins the game.
>>737364453maybe I was too harsh on ecelebs
>>737372138Nice Cyberpunk video.
>>737372138reminds me of this kek
>>737372047https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EToGG_YXrrg
>>737372349>>737372356pwn3d
>>737363120Gacha is a dogshit monetization system and all games using it should be lumped together so they're easier to avoid.
>>737370554>not hundreds of hours of storyGarbage stories with shitty dialogue to pad to out run time>not hundreds of hours of explorationExploration where your reward is a handful of premium currency to gamble on a character/weapon>gameplayInherently shit because they're made for phones.
>>737363120
>>737372138only 3 buttons were pressed for 90% of this clip, you could play this with a mega drive controller
>>737372405I mean, that Zhu gameplay is so terrible that it has to be a joke.>Staying in close range with mid-range character who has a gun>Not using the charged shots (which are full, and can be seen under character's icon)>Not using the dedicated stunner to fucking stun the enemies>Not using the debuffer to lower enemies' defenseThese aren't like advanced quick-switch tactics or anything, just common sense.
>>737363120Just about every gacha game has incredibly dumed down mechanics and or strategy to the point that everything as far as if there is any challenge it is just a stat check
>>737372047https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FVBdwCc8_h0
>>737372109>If I get 5000000 gold by logging in, it's meaningless. You get it by logging in and by default that means the currency doesn't do anything since it's expected that you'll get 5000000000 gold by logging inExcept that's not how Mora works at all in Genshin and I have zero clue why you are trying to make arguments against something you know nothing about. I am regularly bankrupt because everything costs so much and you get so little from pretty much every source.Going from 20 to 40 on a character is equivalent to 60 energy spent on a Mora Leyline. Going from 50 to 60 is equivalent to 120 energy spent on Mora Leylines. You get 5000 and 8000 Mora from the optional daily check-in via your web browser and only once every week. From the commissions you do daily you get roughly 40k I think it was? If you assign every single character on your expeditions daily that's only around 25k Mora and only if multiples of them are getting the 2x bonus, realistically you're getting 10-15k. Outside of that you get roughly 1-2k from chests, 1k/5k/10k from random rock piles uncommonly in the overworld, roughly 50k from collectible turn-ins, and roughly 100k from the endgame modes depending how well you did. A Mora Leyline gives 64k for 20 Resin and at most you can do 10 runs in a 26 hour period for 640k.To take a single character from 1 to 90 it costs 2.1 million Mora.To take a single character's talents from 1/1/1 to 9/9/9 it costs roughly 1,657,500 Mora.To take a single character's weapon from 1 to 90 it costs 750k for a 4* and 1.13 million for a 5*.Why are you people always so dishonest in your discussions? Money has value because everything needs it and it does not even remotely flow freely.
>>737363120cuz none of them are games and don't demand the respect of a second thought, dump them all in the slop pile for gullible children on mom's ipad and forget about them
>>737372824>the point >your headholy shit generational swing and miss i think its time to come up with a new identity there's no coming back from this embarrassment KEK
>>737363120So we can clown on them more efficiently
>>737373219You have no point. You're trying to imply that money has no value because you get so much of it freely when you not only do not get so much of it freely but paid pulls only net you characters and weapons which themselves require money to upgrade. At every point in the value chain money, that can only be gotten from limited resources, biweekly events in 350k to 700k amounts, or is timegated, is required for your character giving them massive worth at every point. Just because you're seeing weeks of hoarding collectibles to actually claim those at once does not change this because that's a one-time exchange and everything in your webm only totals up to 2.6 million. Congratulations, you paid for half of one character's upgrades, not even maxing them out let alone starting on their artifacts.This isn't even getting into the fact that you then need to deal with the absolute garbage that is Diablo Loot and spend 270,475 per artifact praying for good substats, and if you don't get them first try (You won't) it's that much every single time to do a new artifact even if you are recycling your old one. You need five of them per character so that's 1.35 million bare minimum per character, so 5.4 million for a single team of characters.Genshin expects you to have 28 fully built characters for one of its endgame modes.
luv me genshin for comfy explorationluv me HSR for FF and auraluv me ZZZ for sexluv me wuwa for playable anime
>>737363120Don't really care if they self-filter, look at the front page at what 'gamers' like and you'll be glad these people are gatekept by whatever boogeyman they've manifested for games with gacha mechanics.
>>737373612>still thinks its about the #you are so fucking clueless and mazed its hilarious lmao absolutely shook that you even doubled down bro stop wasting time you gotta go check off some boxes or you won't have enough Mora to play your game!
>>737372138>>737372768>>737372787It's crazy to me people think this is good gameplay. It's press X for flashing lights. Perfect for short attention span kids I guess.
>>737373991No one is being gatekept, people just know that gacha games are shit.
>>737373991>gachtrannies think their slop is better than actual gameskmao
alright now post your "Real Video Game" gameplay
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>>737374989nicoal burnice
>>737375212I don't remember Batman being like that
>>737363172Gacha is not a genre and if you think that you are genuinely unironically retarded
>>737363120Don't care, you posted a sexy pic of Belle so now there obligation of posting her doing incestuous acts with Wise.https://files.catbox.moe/0lwewu.mp4
>>737374526>"actual games"- ESG/DEI propaganda, the very notion of gender isn't allowed- Unattractive characters- Lootboxes/live service stuff on top of a $70+ pricetag, making it greedier and more predatory than gahcaI'll take gacha. Thank you.
>>737375709>tfw no racing gachaI guess there's the disney thing but...
I must admit I played a normal game recently and had the disgusting reaction of "that's it?"I'm so fucking spoiled
>>737375732Sorry, retard. "Actual games" means 6th generation of console gaming and prior, before gaming stopped being pure, pre-horse armor tier garbage... Back when gamers actually had principles.Too bad about mentally fragile jackasses like you who bought the horse armor anyway, paving a course for the ruin of video gaming as we know it.
>>737363120Wise’s wife!
>>737375589Still, if somebody says that something is a "gacha game" it will give you pretty good idea of certain mechanics that you can expect.Yes, there's differences between them. Like only somebody deranged would say that Limbus Company and Genshin Impact are the same, but they do share SOME elements.
>>737376086you called?
>>737363120Genshin and Blue Archive are to gacha what Roulette and Black Jack are to gambling.
Because all of them are shit games. 'gacha' is a derogatory term, as far as I'm concerned.It's a genre for coomers who would rather fap and play to some disgusting cowtits generic anime woman with a shitty story and shitty gameplay then real games.'Gacha' is almost always a dumbed down version of whatever game they try to copy.Genshin is probably the most semi-decent 'gacha' game, the rest are coomerbait.
>>737363120Despite the growing breadth of gameplay available in the genre, it's combo of live service and fomo forward units still leaves every game with incredibly similar elements. Everything from story progression, stats and team building, side content, and play frequency are all very much dictated by the gacha nature.
>>737369985Look man, if europe was funding nuclear power plants with their own gachas I'd actually consider paying.
>>737368895Exploitative monetization is a non-issue if you have a modicum of self-control. I don't give a fuck if retards lose their savings pulling for jpegs.
>>737372532Lets see>story is bad because... i don't like readingLow IQ>I don't get enough bing bing wahoo! The only point of exploration is rewards, not fun!A zoomer>game is made for phonesClearly hasn't played itYep, there's a gacha hating nigger in a nutshell
>watching this removes thousands of dollars from your bank account
>>737377215Even if you don't spend money, they still take your time. You could've spent that valuable time instead doing something meaningful like crying about games you hate on 4chan all day long.
>737376968>gachatroon calling anyone a low iq zoomerLeast obvious bot post
>>737376864>exploitative monetization is OK when it's everyone else around me doing it, because, uh like... well, b-because I'm not a sheep like THEM! GOD!!!Yet you still show up for these games when they use crude tactics like sexualized characters to lure you and your feeble caveman brain in.Your attitude is extremely poor, and you should not be so indifferent toward your fellow man. Their failures affect you and your world in a negative way, no matter how much you've been conditioned to believe that their failure is tantamount to your own success by comparison.
>>737377215>Add a snake girl.>Give her cool slithering animations.>Keep her legs.>Her animations look retarded because she rubs her chest across the floor and gives her nipples rugburn.This character fucking killed my faith in ZZZ designs. They had a chance to redeem themselves after the shitty "Octopus" girl who doesn't even use her tentacles in animations, and instead they doubled down by adding a snake girl with legs. What's the point of character design if you're just gonna play it safe 24/7?
>>737377638Yid was such a let down. First for being a retooled version of the nun-Lucia, but the fact that the tentacles are just a vestigal tail. Like they couldn't have moved them up and let her Doc Oc it swinging around the hammer with 6 "arms" or positioned them to be like legs and have her hopping around on them or using them to help with flips and shit?
>>737372138>Moves like Dante on crack >Character does like 3 damage That's why I don't botter with gachas
>>737375840nte soon, there's racing minigames
>>737372138>the zhu fag with his spastic movement is still aliveyou can tell how old this webm is from the UI without ults>>737372047youtube.commuch like in every other game thread, no one films themselves playing besides the turbo sweats who show off their speedruns or high damage, which make for terrible overall gameplay showcase for non-players
>>737377780It's textbook gacha design at this point. Devs make a unique half-animal girl so she stands out, but then water her down to being as tame as a basic catgirl. ZZZ is especially terrible with this, entire race of "Thirens" but they're hardly allowed to be beasts. Pic related is a goat girl who had all her goat features downsized last second because chink audiences didn't like the goat girl being a goat.Thiren designs peaked with Jane. It's actually a mystery how the ZZZ devs managed to make perfection like her just to go on and churn out crap like Yid and Cissia.
>>737363120because its all shallow trash and trying to differentiate it by labeling it as any genre its imitating is just tricking people, labeling gacha as gacha is a way to notify people instantly of this
>>737378615>Pic related is a goat girl who had all her goat features downsized last second because chink audiences didn't like the goat girl being a goat.
>>737377215snakes don't move like that
>>737378719goats aren't pear shaped
>>737375732gacha goes into the same pile with the rest of the shit that is killing gaming
>>737378312I'd be a lot more tolerant of gacha if they used their hundreds of millions of dollars yearly revenue to make actual games. Alas, it seems as though Cygames is the only one ran by humans.
>>737379017https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KhfTpQIVnw
>>737379017Shift up made stellar blade
>>737363120which ZZZ girl needs to get laid the most?
>>737377620It's okay because it's not very different from shit that has been done by other companies for decades already. WoW for example has loot boxes and other P2W bullshit in it despite it having a paid subscription service. Gacha is free to play and you only can play it just fine without spending a single dime if you're not addicted to collecting everything and every character.
>>737379112Lucy
>"good gameplay">gameplay literally doesn't matter in the main game because it's the easiest shit in the world because everything has to be beatable by drooling retards because drooling retards spend money too>endgame has one hard mode where you can actually engage with the gameplay for once but it's also designed to fuck you over if you're not running the current banner unit>once you're done with that mode the rest of the endgame consists of logging in to do chores for 5 minutes and then logging out>oh and sometimes there's events where they throw in shitty clones of old flash/mobile games because nothing says "good gameplay" like candy crushevery gacha is like this which means none of them are worth playing
>>737379065Honestly thought this was just another gacha>>737379097I forgot all about Stellar Blade, probably because I haven't played it yet. So maybe I'm wrong and these fucks will start putting all their infinite money to use.
>>737378615Cissia is kino
>>737372047Thanks Doro, I'll stop doing my dailies
>>737379017Japanese and Koreans are capable of that but not the ch*nese, they just want to extract money from you without principle.
>>737379112Rina, since she's close to the age where menopause will hit
>>737379160>WoW for example has loot boxes and other P2W bullshit in it despite it having a paid subscription service.Which it did not have during the 6th generation of console gaming.You have no argument. Gacha is a blight upon gaming and society, and it should not exist.
>>737377434>they still take your time. You could've spent that valuable time instead doing something meaningful like crying about games you hate on 4chan all day long.LMAOsubhumans with gacha derangement syndrome are like that
>>737374101>"post gameplay!">*someone posts gameplay*>"No that's the wrong gameplay REEEEEE!!1"
>>737376313>muh coom designs bad because durrWe get it you're castrated low T normgroidThe "real games in question" btw >>737375732
>>737379472Don't care about your "muh 6th gen" argument. I said "decades" and that's correct. You can buy gold for real money since 2015 and it has a cash shop since 2013. Blizzcucks can't even play Classic anymore without the cash shop lmao.
>>737363120You don't understand, the subhumans with Gacha Derangement Syndrome don't care about logic and facts, they are emotional, mentally unstable creatures much like women.
>>737379415A white man chooses A SEAslave obeys
>>737363120It would actually be the AGP genre though!
>>737369985Oh so nuclear reactors are "superiority"? Why does the EU keep demolishing them over "clean energy"?
>>737377638Good. Lets keep zoocucks like you angry.
>>737380086The argument in question is that gaming sucks ass because your gacha sludge is built upon the toxic business practices that only became commonplace during the 7th generation of gaming and beyond.Your insipid sewage is directly responsible for gaming being absolute dogshit today, as is your own very existence.
>>737380341Hi!
>>737380602The only problem with modern gaming is DEI garbage and other political agendas.>toxic business practicesLike MMORPGs since 30 years ago? You're retarded and underage.
>go into a Resident Evil thread>no one is discussing the gameplay, nobody cares>go into a Fire Emblem thread>no one is discussing the gameplay, nobody cares>go into a Soul Calibur thread>no one is discussing the gameplay, nobody cares>go into almost ANY other thread>no one is discussing the gameplay, nobody cares...>go into a gacha game thread>W-WHERE'S THE GAMEPLAY?What is it about sexy anime girls that make these retards seethe so much?By the way, the good gacha games have better gameplay than garbage /v/ likes such as Unicorn Overlord, Dispatch, Expedition 33, and many more. But you ain't ready for this trvke.
>>737380896>The only problem with modern gaming is shit that barely affects gaming except for a few high-profile examples that are used to incite outrage and steer discussions toward political bullshitIt only feels prevalent to you because nothing else fits in that puny little pea brain of yours, Neanderthal.
>>737381069>denying the fact that DEI ruined entire franchises and is the main cause of shit studios making shit gamesOf course it was a DEI apologistYour damage control doesn't workKill yourself retarded DEI tranny you're the worst diseasse on the planet and gacha games are the cure.
>>737363120When people talk about the "gacha genre" they're talking about Hoyo-likes. They mean Games that resemble hoyoverse games in artstyle and gameplay. Theyre not talking about Uma Musume, or Brown Dust 2, or Arknights, or Blue Archive or Nikke.They're talking about shit like Etheria restart, Magia Exedra, Girls Frontline 2 (not 1)basicallyshit from a butt
>>737381549>Theyre not talking about Umastopped reading there
>>737381648They're literally not.Look at any "Gacha" focused channel and tell me they care at all about games that don't resemble Star Rail in particular.
>>737381549>When people talk about the "gacha genre" they're talking about Hoyo-likes.They're fucking retarded then.
>>737363120Name one gacha that doesn't do the following>get to play 5 minutes of gameplay>level up character>level up weapon>level up armor>level up pet>each type of level up uses a different currency btw>go spend this currency on this place>now spend this other different currency on this other shop>now go look at this third shop which uses yet another currency>oh and now go spend currency to roll on banner x>also banner y is better but uses yet another currency
>>737381714they all have>>737381863the only thing that (you) think makes a gacha is that 50/50 hoyo system apparently
>>737381863uma?
>leveling up BADGacha seethers don't play ANY games.
>>737372138SOVL
>>737381863There is no gacha game like this you're talking about fucking Maplestory
>>737382016epic 7
>>737382047>Look it up>"HOW TO MAXIMIZE YOUR FIRST 30 DAYS OF EPIC SEVEN AND GET PVP READY IMMEDIATELY! STEP 1: REROLL FOR 4 META UNITS! STEP 2: SKIP THE STORY AS FAST AS POSSIBLE!"I feel like im gonna hurl
>>737363120Because they are retarded and out of touch. Usually it’s a a world of warcraft faggot who has zero clue what goes on in the industry outside the cult bubble of world of warcraft they just know it’s a “rival” to mmos They basically use “gacha” like “mmo”
>>737381936>>737382016I tried plenty of gacha, from fate go to gray raven to blue archive (including open world gacha like wuthering waves and genshin) and they all stop you to level up different kinds of bullshit every 5 minutes.It's not even bullshit that matters, it's just fucking numbers. You're not unlocking new abilities that change gameplay, it's make number go up shit.I don't know if it was wuthering but there was even one action gacha where you were expected to capture monsters to use as secondary attacks and guess what, you had a xp currency to level up those fucking monsters too!
>>737366240No one said this, he replied that “people avoid games because of battlepasses and gacha”Which is completely untrue, they are among the most played games ever
MAPLESTORY........................................................................................................................................................WON
>>737381941umatroons are so delusional it's not even funny. the first gacha (yoo) liked, umamusume, is exactly like all the other gacha games you shit on.
>>737372109Mora in genshin is a lot more valuable than gold in a lot of other games, but you wouldn’t know that you don’t actually play vidya
Maplestory is older than most gachaseething faggots on /v/.
>>737382372>>737365728You guys are retarded, he didn't say "everyone" or even "most people". Saying people is perfectly accurate. There are people (like most of /v/) that avoid gacha, just like there are people that avoided mobile games in general.Go back to school (assuming you finished school already, which seems unlikely) and get some English lessons.
>>737382420It's not even my first cygames gacha bro. Granblue is more in line with that "level everything up" gameplan. Uma has 2 systems and one of them doesnt even have levels in the JP version
>>737369209This is perhaps the strangest webm I’ve ever seen in the game.This is like saying nioh is all about menus, you could do the same thing by making a webm of claiming all the agyo and ungyo titles in nioh. This is a reward for playing the game and clearing shit in a specific region.
>>737382507why did they add levels to the global version
>>737369209JUST CLICK CLAIM ALL
>>737382493>um ackshully I was referring to the .01% tranny minority You have zero point. Normalfags don’t give a shit about monetization
>>737382524>This is like saying niohGood comparisongacha is everything people dislike about nioh without the good parts.
>tendie's face when they realize they have been playing 'gacha' their entire lives with their Pokemon cards
>>737366602Is Limbus' the only CCP mandated Chinese chapter that didn't suck ass?
>>737382636DELETE THIS
>>737382550They didn't, support card levels were removed in Umas 4.5th anniversary because support points had become a useless currency you had hundreds of millions of so there was no point to having it. Global uma should get that change quicker but they seem to be fucking up real bad when it comes to introducing japanese QoL
>>737382493This response has absolutely nothing to do with my reply. I was making fun of an anon who made up some gay strawman that no one said. You’re also “arguing” in an extremely pajeet way. Brother, everyone knows what fucking “everyone” means. This form of “argument” is quite LITERALLY what actual English speaking 5 years old do, which exposes you as an ESL. You learn this “argument” is utter shite in fucking kindergarten.>nuh uh I wasn’t lying I said I did my homework not that I did all of my homework see I did some of it I wasn’t lying literal child shit, ranjesh
>>737382493>saaaar i no say everyone saaar ok now read number on card sar benchod i english very well
Don't you guys have a board for gacha? Are you posting on this one because of the higher traffic?
>>737382583>trying to gloss over his lack of reading comprehensionnah m8. Go back to school retard.
>>737382610Are you actually mentally ill
>>737382875>bloody bitch benchoood!You don’t know English, SEAnig
>>737382879>people complained about the constant menuing of nioh >but put up with it because of the gameplay>gacha has constant menuing>but gameplay is extremely basicseems like a perfectly clear analogy.
>>737382946lelYour attempt at deflection isn't gonna work bro. Try again next thread.
>>737382949Nioh gameplay isnt complicated just mash the fucking heavy attack stance dude
>>737382949No one complains about the titles in nioh, most people probably don’t remember them. You are claiming the game is a menu, when that it not true. It could be any game, I used nioh because it’s utterly ridiculous to claim a gameplay focused game is menus. You could do the same with NG Black’s weapon screen.
>>737383000The reason you’re here on a rapidly dying English speaking chinese cartoon image board instead of a discord speaking your conquered pig language is because you are an incel loser with no friends. SEAnig trash.
>>737383079Even if you choose to play that way, it's still vastly more complex than any gacha.>>737383114>titlesWhat? I'm talking about the diablo-like loot that makes people constant open the menu to compare items and sell and so on.
>>737382493>ESL retard tries to argue semantics Jesus Christ kill this board
>>737383196>titlesThe thing I mentioned in my post? That’s in nioh? And has an entire reward system to unlock them? It’s almost like you don’t play video games, certainly not nioh.
>>737383158>anon rapidly becoming hysterical with his deflection attemptslol
>>737383196You are literally Mashing Y
>>737383259Mad cuz seanig trash, stay conquered
>>737363120Because people can know it's garbage first, then maybe a game
>>737383294Go ahead and show how mashing Y works against groups of enemies and bosses. Being disingenuous won't change the fact that every single gacha is, purposefully, simpler.
>>737383310>randomly spouting random insults in desperationlmao
>>737383391Genuinely you just dont play the games you talk about
>>737378765prove it
>>737371385Gachatroons go to argument where they pretend some 2020's deislop is 99% of all video games ever. Kill yourself
>>737383391They had to nerf LW multiple times in nioh 1 because critical LW mashing Y literally made you unkillable
>>737383437Mad cuz seanig trash, stay conquered
>>737363120Why would a little sister send this to her big brother?
>>737382313lol, this gachatard is fucking FUMING
>>737365728>genshit is more popular than Zelda because... TONS OF CHINKS SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON IT!!!! unironically kill yourself you worthless gachanigger
>>737363120Because there's nothing else to gacha than the gacha itselfSame way people who waste their lives gambling won't talk about the thrilling gameplay of slot machines
>>737383556>Nintroons when they play games with overt LGBT and gender ideology and call other people troons
>>737383597>living weaponsah yes something that only matters in the new game++. Totally relevant when judging complexity of a game compared to gachas that barely change from start to finish.
>tendies vs gachashitI, as a human being, can only hope that they both die.
>>737363120She looks like she lets her brother creampie her on a daily basis without protection after taking ovulation enhancing drugs
>>737363120I get what you are saying, but there is more to a gacha to group them by than just the monetization system. These games tend to have more things in common. FOMO events, daily/weekly chores, similar progression for your account, similar equipment systems with slightly different names, often involving some kind of weapon (which also tied to a gacha) and equipment tied to phone game tier fuel/energy currencies to timegate your character leveling/building progress. These games may vary from BoTW clones to turn based games, but at their core they all are the same
>>737363120Three of those are from the same company.Gacha suggests intentionally predatory elements to try and make someone pull out their credit card and buy the premium currency. It's not a genre. Like you said, genre is like action or turn-based RPG. It's a good indication of what to expect from the gameplay, though.
Gacha is a genre because any game which centers around functional gacha as monetization inevitably ends up centering its entire gameplay systems around gacha. It doesn't matter whether you're playing ZZZ, World Flipper, or Dragalia fucking Lost, they all have the same dogshit isues associated with gacha.
>>737385403next event minigame please
gachatroons lost and got gaped
>>737385643It's a genre modifier. It's like how you can have dungeon crawlers and roguelikes but you could also have a roguelike dungeon crawler. Gacha is exactly like roguelike in that it covers how the game handles resources and progression.
>>737363120Because almost every gacha gets to the same endgame of make the meta team and mash button to do daily grindAnything in the genre that does anything different from the norm is just a time waster before you get to that point, and would be better served in a different market
>>737384000>repeats itself with some random darts thrown at the boardAre you lobotomized by any chance? Of course, you are a gacha N I G G E R after all.
>>737375840asphalt exists
>>737378765looks more like a ferret movement
>>737363120Gachas have much more in common with each other than they do with whatever genres they happen to be superficially imitating. The monetization system influences every aspect of their design. They also have different audiences: no one looking for a new RPG or action game to play wants to be recommended gacha, and gacha fans don't play real games.
>>737363120Because gacha "games" are designed around their monetization system. Dailies, events, new forced characters every month, shitty infinite story, etc. All of this happens because it's a gacha, these games are very similar in practice.
>>737386407>game gets lots of content so it must be a gacha
>>737384000WITNESSED
>>737384000nice trips
>>737386520>Daily slaving, boring events, new forced characters every month that you'll have to pay for, shitty infinite story made to shit out more characters every week, gameplay based on a gambling system, >This is good content to gacha fags
>>737386520You can have frequent content updates without them always being about the new FOTM waifu who wants to jump (your) wise's cock that you should totally roll (gamble) for and whip out your wallet for when you run out of free rolls.
>>737384000Based and true
>>737369209Why isn't there a button to collect all the rewards at once? I guess that's claim thing is to keep the gachafags on a leash
>>737386797>playing games is slaving / boring At least you admitted you don't play games. Gacha Derangement Syndrome strikes again.
Concession status: accepted
>>737386806No you can't.>immediately starts seething at waifusEvery time
>>737386350>>737386797This isn't a new concept though. MMOs have been doing it for decades. As a former MMO player switching to gacha came naturally to me. I never thought the monetization system was 'abusive' because it wasn't different from what I was already familiar with.
>>73738355699% of modern games are DEItranny slop, cope and slurp that Spherehunter subhuman.
>>737387062Nah I play one and he's right that that loop is fucking miserableI'm grateful that for mine the daily grinds aren't important and I can ignore them entirely, others I've tried don't have that luxury
>>737387062Having to do SHIT daily quests every day to get your good boy points is enslaving yourself >At least you admitted you don't play gamesIt's funny to see a gacha fag saying that, do you enjoy repetitive daily quests that have gambling money as reward?
>>737387215I can like ass and tits without liking pandering shit, it's called having standards. Don't you ever feel gullible when you swipe your credit card for the character who was designed in a lab to make you open up your wallet?
>>737387382>MMOs have been doing it for decades.And i'm glad they are dying, it's a shame it was replaced by something worse; at least MMOs had a cool social aspect.>I never thought the monetization system was 'abusive' because it wasn't different from what I was already familiar with.Battered wife syndrome
>>737363120>TRPG, an Open World adventure game, a full action game and traditional turn based RPG respectivelyBecause this part is fake. It's all just a veneer to get you to gamble for pictures of hot anime women. Therefore the genre is actually Gacha.
>>737387563You play games to do quests and complete missions, retarded tranny. Play games instead of coming here to seethe and dilate nonstop.>repetitiveThat's almost every multiplayer game, they all have repetitive rounds, objectives, quests. Again you don't play games.
>>737387620FUFU SEX
>>737387620So pandering is bad because? You just hate being pandered to? Do you hate yourself and don't want the girls to pander to the player or what? Tranny behavior. Probably into yurishit too.
>>737387838Multiplayer games are shit. Real single player games are the best.>You play games to do quests and complete missionsYou don't have to though. I can drop a game that's tedious and just play one I find more fun.
>>737387416how did gachafags get so brainwashed that they genuinely think every non-gacha game is concord 2? gacha games are woke shit compared to older games or good games released today
>>737388079Holy retard, the only trannies who seethe at gacha are DEI westoids.
>>737388035Singleplayer games are shit with no content.And yes you do otherwise you can't progress.
>>737384070>living weapons >plural>NG++holy fucking poser, you’ve never played nioh
Because gacha is all about daily chores. Whatever gameplay they have is secondary, be it tetris, jrpg, fightan or anything else, all that matters is that you get your breadcrumb of premium currency by doing same inane movements every day that could very well be automated by a simple mouse script.
>>737388079It's a naturally forming defense mechanismThey've invested so much into their character collector of choice that it'd be ludicrous to even conceive of the idea that their time would have been way better spent elsewhere with better, more fun experiences
>>737387838So you agree that it's repetitive shit designed to keep you an obedient dog?...
>>737388130Sorry but your opinion is shit but what can I expect from someone who plays gacha
>>737387935I already see (Me) fucking any girl I like in these games, I don't need the game to do it for me. I prefer it when the game focuses on giving girls their own characters because it makes the porn scenarios more interesting. If you can't jack it to anything except a cartoon parody of a prostitute, you're a lost cause and will never grow a set of balls.
>>737369209Claim all button
>>737388227Mad cuz world of transcraft and concord is dead dogshit
>>737388201So you agree you don't play games then? Glad we cleared that up, DEItranny.
>>737372075Looks like Adventure Quest or DragonfableI kinda like it
>>737388227I'm objectively right and I'm glad diseased creatures like you are going extinct and gacha games keep flourishing.
>>737387935I'm not sure what pandering means to you, but I understand it as "trying to sell you a piece of shit because it has something you like on the cover".I don't like pandering, I like appeal. Gacha usually has a lot of pandering and little appeal.
>>737388247>uses headcanon to cope because canon cucks himLMAOThe characters that DON'T pander are actually the most poorly written boring slop.
>>737363120Because 90% of the gameplay of Mihoyo's post-Genshin games are just Genshin again.>reading the story and dialogue>teambuilding ie. grinding materials, RNG artifacts and rolling them for statsThey are all variations of Genshin with slight differences.
>muh DEI sloppareminder that a lot of gacha fags are gay as fuck, they love yuri and have AGP, that's why they men so much99% of gacha threads have ERP
>>737388489>sees anime girls that pander and thinks of scatSeek therapy mentally ill selfhating 'roon.>appealYour "appeal" is probably games like GoW where you don't need pandering because you're a "better man"
>>737388561b-bros i thought gachashit was supposed to be anti-woke...
>WE REAL GAMERS DON'T NEED TO BE PANDERED TO WE MUST BE BETTER MEN AND EMBRACE LGBT AND CUCΚOLDINGCan't make this shit up
>>737388497>The characters that DON'T pander are actually the most poorly written boring slop.kek, we both know gacha writing is bottom tier, but there's no planet where shit like Vivian is the most polished turd. She's a sideboob whore who's entire personality revolves around the word "Phaethon". And the other pandering girls are only a few rungs up from this bottom tier writing.
>>737388561>99% of gacha threads have ERPRetard, those are /trash/ faggots making undercover threads. They don't even play the games.
>>737382673Pretty much, but even then it has its curse of longevity since they've been stuck there for like 2 years now.
>>737388561>>737388715You mean the ERP creatures like you who don't play any videogames and just larp as the characters? They(you) do it with 2b and samus and tifa and other characters too.
>>737387935>Tranny behavior. Probably into yurishit too.Did you get lost while having a melty on your /vg/ generals?
>>737388707What other amazing stories can you make up about me, sunshine?
>>737363120Because all of them are equally shit
>>737388853but why do they ALWAYS use gacha to post their ERP? they must be anything but gacha fags too
>>737388830>words words words reaction image>she's bad because...she just is ok?
>>737389045>Checks RE threads on /v/>its all Grace ERPSomething something pot something something kettle
>>737388982Lmao felt called out yuritranny?
Imagine a gacha with characters like this>HNNGGHH IM ABATOCOOM UGLY 5 STARS LADY>why is xhe smiling like that?...>xhe is so built~>xhe is so AGP coded~
>>737389045Because it's the only videogame genre that still has sexy/attractive characters. And I saw them using Pokemon shit in the same thread they were pretending to talk about gacha before, so it's clear they don't care about it.
>>737389361>trans filename
>>737389361This is what DEItrannies want in your videogames when they call you a coomer for liking attractive females.
>>737375589>>737363120Retard.What other genre works strictly off of FOMO, makes content where the newest character added shines the most, has you do the equivalent of vidya game "work" like dailies if you don't want to spend money on it, and usually has a bunch of systems in place so that either you're playing the game religiously to show off to people online how good your builds are or you admit you spend upwards of 100 dollars per patch?
>>737389375>Because it's the only videogame genre that still has sexy/attractive charactersplay more games
>>737389674MMO
>>737389375>Because it's the only videogame genre that still has sexy/attractive characters.You genuinely fell for /v/ shitposts and propaganda.
>play free game>spend nothing>have fungacha is only bad if you are a moron with no self control and you think you need to play every single day (you don't)
>>737389375>>737389698>>737389784>Gacha fags don't play gamesGacha fags will NEVER beat the allegations
>>737389698That's 1 game example, not a game genre.
>>737389095>You're wrong because...you just are okay?Concession accepted.
>>737389718Only MMO I really played was Runescape and it didn't have dailies, or huge patches that were balanced around a new character/class. Plus, for shit like WoW or XIV, expansion passes are paid content. Playing the game is moneywalled. In a gacha, everyone can play for free and everyone *can* get every new thing in a patch.
>>737389698>>737389784>genreCan you read? Exceptions aren't the rule. There's the rare Stellar Blade (funded by Nikkefags) of course, but the vast majority of games in any genre besides gacha are completely neutered and castrated. You posted two Nintendo games and are acting like Nintendo isn't censoring shit to death now.
>>737390071Vengeance was multi-platform.
>>737390071>two Nintendo games>Shin Megami Tensei>Unicorn Overlord>>Nintendo gamesNot beating the allegations.
>>737389919>>737390071JRPG is a genre
>play single player rpg>new character joins in story, no currency involved>lvl is near party's current lvl with decent equipment>play gacha>new character has to be lvled, skills have to be lvled, equipment has to be lvled, character is not even at full potential without dupes, rng equipment has to be farmed such as artifacts in genshin, etc
>>737389859die, idolfag
>>737390071>nintendo gamesholy shit gaycha fags are retarded
>>737389859>ten years from now>wont be able to play that game anymoreThats why I dont play gacha. I hope SKG puts a stop to that.
>>737390071Genres are not about visual presentation, my dude, unless you're talking about something awfully specific. You're trying to categorize tables by what kind of dishes they can hold. It's nonsense.
>>737390071>isn't censoring shit to death now.Because Gachas don't censor stuff.
>>737390295Rude
>>737390371they do, but the difference is china isn't full of puritanical retards like in the USthe ccp does censor mihoyo. which honestly begs the question of how coom-worthy their designs would be without them censoring them
>post lewd games for gacha fags>"ermmm that doesn't count! we are talking about genre!">post a genre with lewd games>WELL THEY ARE CENSORED!! (gacha games are more censored than normal games btw)It seems that your narrative is not true
>>737388923True but having farewells only for the next mini chapter to start with>Yeah we're still here...like three times was a pretty funny bit
>>737390550even gachas outside of the chink nation are censored as fuck
>>737378312Leon looks a little off...
>>737390565What if I'm a bd2chad? Other games can't compare in lewd and hgames are shit games.
>>737363167ok
>>737363167
>>737390471you know what you're right i'm sorrybut you were pretty rude too, tbdesu
>>737390729There's dozens of actual explicit porn gachas on fanza.
>>737390874>hgames are shit games.The gacha player somehow has a superiority complex to a genre with more good games by an order of magnitudeSad really
>>737390874>Other games can't compare in lewd and hgames are shit games.Ah yes because brownfart 2 is peak gaming with peak gameplay, the average h-game has more gameplay than the average gacha.
>>737391072some hgames are really good, i remember stopping being horny because i focused too much on the gameplay lel
>>737391121That's because they're all designed to be retardedly hard and need lots of grinding or paying up.
>>737390874I assume you mean Brown Dust 2? The gameplay it has looks like budget Eiyuu Senki without strategic map.
>>737391072There are very few good "gameplay" hgames>>737391121Bd2 is vastly better than the average hgames gameplay while having higher quality lewd.
>>737390195And you think sexy females are the norm in JRPGs? lollmao
>>737390310SKG will make gachas eternal, they literally can't shut down the servers, not without offering dedicated servers.
>>737389989Don't look at runescape now, lil bro.
>>737391341yes but you don't play them to know, same for fighting games
>>737391418Gachas will stop getting made the instant that goes into effectThe promise of you being able to play it offline if it shuts down in a month makes the gamble to make it and hope it pops off completely untenable
>>737391765>gachas will stop being made because they can't sell it in a relatively small marketLmao.
>>737391792Gachas are churned out as much as they are because they're incredibly easy to just shut down and move on if they don't hit Fortnite numbersThat won't happen if they have to actually somewhat support it, or worse let people have the keys to the kingdom when they do shut it down
>>737390195>>737391664They are just as affected by DEI/censorship as anything else, don't kid yourself. DQ's creator raged about it not too long ago. Gacha avoids it for the most part because it's on non-centralized mobile platforms.>b-but Mihoyo censors stuffYeah, because the government forces them. What's Nintendo's excuse for bowing down to woke/DEI?
>>737391765WoW private servers existed for as long as WoW itself, yet people still pay for it 20 years later.But here's a funny idea. Private server can allow you to add "Gain 9999999 moneys" button. This is how the spell is broken. Once you get access to all resources this game has, you will quickly realize how empty and pointless it all is. How there is no longer any reason to touch it.
Gacha are primarily for third worlders too poor to afford a proper gaming system, children with unrestricted access to mommy's CC, and weebs that fit some combination of the prior 2. People will say "b-b-b-but western AAA games suck" as if those are the only other games you could possibly play. And they'll conveniently dip out when you point out that all gacha play the same, use the same progression systems, have all the same (predatory) monetization systems, and are built from the ground up to be casual, easy, and as accessibly to as many brown 12 year olds' hands as possible.I have nothing against sexy bitches. But the sexy girls are basically the keys being jiggled in front of the eyes of these retards. Gacha are literally the zoomers' casion slot machines, but at home.
>>737392136Oh and also, forgot to mention my favorite: gachafags will endlessly harp on about gacha being the last genre untouched by DEI -- a very real issue -- cherrypicking modern AAA games as examples, citing cencorship etc. Meanwhile, most gacha games get heavily censored in the west also. I mean, look at what just happened to Snowbreak.
>>737392048>the government forces themlmao always this cope, what about non-chink gachas?? what about FGO, snowbreak, etc being censored? the government forces them to make pozzed characters too?
>>737376015>implying gacha players of today didn't play 6th-gen and earlier, especially given the disposable income of an adult bruh what do you think we even played BEFORE gacha?
all these mentions about 'real games for gamers' and not a single namedrop because you know whatever you mention will be shat on by every anon based on genre alone - if gacha is 'destroying' the industry, there has to be ONE non-gacha game that everyone can unanimously agree is 'saving' the industry, but there isn't, lmao
>>737392136>Gacha are primarily for third worlders too poor to afford a proper gaming systemYou need a pretty decent phone/PC to play Hoyo games at high settings and high FPS. The PC that I use it to play with costed more than your fisher price toy, tendie. >>737392565>what about FGOSony. >snowbreakThat's Chinese. Some feminist cunts reported it to the government.
>>737391765LMAO retard
>>737390874>>737391331BASED dust chad dabbing on homosexual low T cucks
>>737391480don't lil bro me you fucking fag you were probably not even born or in diapers when i was playing it back in 2007
>>737391418>>737391765I can only hope so fucking bad that happens because it would be so fucking funny.
I can't take gacha seethers seriously when they're either:>Tendie manchildren>Pcbros (Valve invented loot boxes. Pot calling the kettle black)>westoid cucks that put up with DEI/wokeshit
>>737392290censorship?
>>737364453because gacha games regardless of genre are indeed casino jpeg bullshit
>>737395678>Deflecting to fucking TF2 hats to defend his daily grindThey're not sending their best
>>737396449Nice generalisation bro.>Non gacha games regardless of genre are indeed DEI infested bullshitSee, i can do it too!
>>737396392GFL2 is an exception to the rule. Unless there's something I don't know about, it's the only "big" non-mobile exclusive gacha that didn't face 1.0 release censorship. ZZZ is pretty horny, especially for hoyo, but even it got censored.
"Only gacha games have sexy girls" is a psyop.
>>737363120Live service game with shallow but serviceable gameplay, story that will never be finished, and the content driven by the characters that you gain by engaging with the gacha system. That's the gacha genre to me.
>>737396669>With the "Gold Rush Update" in April 2008, Valve had started to add fundamentals of character customization through unlockable weapons for each class, which continued in subsequent updates, most notably the "Sniper vs. Spy Update" in April 2009, which introduced unlockable cosmetic items into the game. Further updates expanded the number of weapons and cosmetics available, but also introduced monetization options, eventually allowing it to go free-to-play. To this end, Team Fortress 2 is considered one of the first games to offer games as a service, a feature which would become more prevalent in the 2010sSHUT IT DOWN
Paying for pornography of any kind is addicted cuck behavior, and gacha slop is just that but with ecchi anime girls.
>>737363167fippy bippy
>>737392290The gacha I play is more lewd than snowbreak and uncensored.
>>737376151holy shit it's like watching a train wreck, so awful i can't look away
>>737397298I am aware of the existence of hat loot boxes anonI'm also aware that there's a massive difference between getting hats from them and building the entire game around getting current meta unit out of them that lets you auto or mash X through the content the game wants you coming back for daily, you disingenuous twat
>>737398824There's no difference, Valvegroid. Valve is literally getting sued over lootboxes as we speak. People waste tens of thousands buying/gambling for rare CSG skins.
>>737399326Nigga did I ever for an instant imply I thought it wasn't gambling?It's different because the lootboxes are completely divorced from the video game portion of the video gameAnd now here's the part where you continue to pretend to not understand my argument and say something completely unrelated to the current conversation
>>737398824It wasn't just hats though, it was also weapons.
>>737399656You get weapon drops all the time though, and they're practically free on the market
The sister is hot
>>737363167Incest is ZZZ's true endgamehttps://files.catbox.moe/c1udjb.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/sptozw.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/ctdjl6.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/ktqn17.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/eld8p0.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/walna1.mp4
Alright which non gacha games can match this? >>737399556
>>737400119Wolf Girl With You
>>737399596>It's different because the lootboxes are completely divorced from the video game portion of the video gameOnly because they are PvP games, so it's harder to justify P2W stuff. Gacha is more akin to MMOs. Mihoyo was already sued over lootboxes last year and agreed to the settlement by the way. And something tells me Valve isn't going to be as cooperative as them because they have bigger skeletons in their closet with all the black market shit that goes on with CSGO skins.
>>737400980So it's completely different as previously stated?Cool, rad, I'm glad we were able to get that sorted
>>737401142They're getting sued either way. Let's see if they're going to cooperate like Mihoyo did or not then.
>>737393380TRVKE
>>737401331Completely irrelevant to the conversation at hand, thank you for your input
>>737394343I could be your father, lil zoomie.
>spend 100$+ on video games>>spend 5$ on gacha>you are paypig :(
>>737401532Correct. That's how it should be.
>>737401532>spend money to purchase a complete product>spend money on microtransaction slopYea
>>737401746>Complete productBoy do I have bad news for you
Incest is really disgusting but it's really unfair that they made Belle really hot instead of a young imouto you're supposed to protect. I only wish that Wise and Belle aren't blood-related at least.
>>737401532who is this girl? I don't remember that bear backpack
>>737401383You tried to weasel your way out of it by acting like 'gambling' is not a big deal if it only includes cosmetics items. If it's not a big deal then why are they getting sued then?
>>737401959Nigga I am not making judgements on the fucking morality of gamblingI am explaining the clear difference the effect of the gambling has on the overall user end gaming experience between the two cases. I don't know if I'm talking with a bot designed to be as infuriating to discuss obvious shit with as possible or what, goddamn.I was mostly joking earlier that you'd just pretend to not understand the argument at all but holy shit here we are
>>737401838>I only wish that Wise and Belle aren't blood-related at least.
>>737401814Not everyone exclusively plays AAA games retard. Plenty of good, complete games exist
>>737402119>wanting inbred children
>>737401532Cute!
>>737402220I don't want inbred brats, I just love watching and seeing how long will it take for a brother and sister that want to fuck each other finally break and eat the forbidden fruit that is incest
>>737403041Wanting to have sex with a biological relative is disgusting as fuck.
>>737402086It's still the same type of monetization system. Yeah, let's just ignore the massive market centered around it and the fact that people sell their shit for literally millions of dollars. And it's not like you're forced to collect every character and every item in gacha. It can be played without spending any money as well.
>>737363120The core gameplay in most gacha cases boils down to p2w statslop with featurecreep grind systems for even more statslopping. The focus on number go up and microtransaction oriented progression takes out much of the genre's depth.
>>737403406Ok so it is just a bot reiterating the same thing we've been over times already good to know
>>737365728bro, genshin was a huge success, but you're crazy if you actually believe that. Genshin's revenue for its entire life is what Nintendo brings home every single year. like make no mistake, it's crazy fucking impressive Genshin managed to make that much, but Mihoyo is nowhere near being on Nintendo's level.
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>>737404264You could say the same for pokemon and most other turn based rpgs.
>>737391418Why would China obey USA/EU law?
Because no one wants to be associated with gachanigs
Is Elden Ring a gacha game, I only mash R1 and dodge roll
>>737404481Mihoyo has a lower revenue but higher net income than Nintendo.
>>737393380They still haven't refuted this post
>>7374046321. China is not the only one who makes gachashit2. Chinks either comply or they can say goodbye to US/EU market, either way win/win scenario for the west lmao less chinkshit
>>737404538Sure, but then you could also argue that gacha games are specifically designed to encourage you to spend money to achieve the statslop required, while normal JRPGs have to make grinding feel less annoying because you don't have the buy stats option in the first place
>>737404481Note that he said profitable, profits are not the same as revenueHoyoslop's profit margins are fucking out of this world
>>737400205But /v/ told me VNs aren't games?
gacha is only justifiable if u play it on lunch break to kill timeit is not a replacement for real videogamesand NEVER spend money on itunless you're a billionaire, then it's OK to fund a game's continued existence for me
>>737405632>You have to justify your own enjoyment
>>737363120because the gameplay is not the focus of these "games", the content is literally the gacha with a shitty mobile game stapled onto the side of it so that people can flex their wallet
>>737401814imagine outing yourself as a AAA slop consumer
>>737406986Nigger please, even AA and indie these days could release unfinished
