https://steamcommunity.com/games/1934680/announcements/detail/690881000795799824I don't have AI derangement syndrome, and I'm not a jeet.With that out of the way, is this AI? Or does this mesoamerican deity actually have two hands randomly on her shoulder at all times?
They might be hands that were chopped off. Seems pretty deliberate.
pits
>>737380284i had to dig deep to find it, but it seems to be legit and not an AI hallucination. deity's name is coatlicue. https://ageofempires.fandom.com/wiki/Coatlicue
>>737380398What the fuckI guess this is intentional?The more you know...
I'm going to piggyback off this thread. Is this AI? These hats look fucking weird.
>>737380218>AI derangement syndromeKek is that the new term we're gonna use to make AI worshippers less upset about people not liking their poopa? Sure why not
>>737380218It's a homage
>>737380398>>737380458the hands and beads are all fucked up though, so while the actual goddess might look like that, the artwork they used is probably AI generated>>737380459the hat on the left looks utterly retarded, and the middle and right ones have weird fragments on their gold/brass insignias
I don't play censored games.
idk
>>737380612>fully rendered>"sketch"
If i remember correctly, they had ai art pre-release, but got a shitload of pushback so i doubt they'd try it again.
>>737380612>blatant img2imgLMAO
>>737380684> i doubt they'd try it again.
I just don't see the appeal of consuming AI generated stuffAll the questions about merit and morality and legality aside, I just don't see it as particularly interesting to look at an art piece and know it has no purpose, to look at an image and know it has no intent, to read a paragraph and know it meant nothing, that it just "spawned" into being fully formed and that nothing but an algorithm made it. There's so much waste polluting our minds on the web right now at the very least I want to filter the stuff I consume and I'd like to start by consuming things that someone at least cared enough about to create.
>>737380218Microsoft has been using AI gens in Age of Empires 2 updates for easily over a year now. So yeah, I'd believe it.
>>737380764>I just don't see the appeal of consuming AI generated stuffit's a tool. when it's lazy like this, it sucks a cock. AI is great for concept stuff or making rough visualizations before you send it to the art team. unfortunately, most art teams just throw it into img2img or trace it
>>737380218seems way too obvious to be non-deliberate
>>737380726It's odd that every single snake in the first images has their tongue out while not a single one in the final image does. Maybe that concept isn't in their model.
>>737380218>age of mythology has fallen to gooneryit's over..
>>737380751One can hope.
>>737380826>it's a tool.Yeah yeah they like to say it, but a hammer doesn't fly up in the air and build a house and a pencil doesn't magically make a picture. It's a "tool" for the lazy and unimaginitive.>AI is great for concept and visualizationThis is the worst thing possible, the first most fragile and infantile stage of your work wherein one's mind needs to be most involved, and you relegate it to the machine. Nothing implies less humanity, nothing is more foul.
>>737380218Yep. Look slike AI to me. Probably was part of a different image generated, but even then the arms are not actually putting the amulet on her, just oddly resting on her.
>>737380218pits
>>737380935>It's a "tool" for the lazy and unimaginitive.horse breeders said the same to karl benz.
>>737380935>LE SOULretard argument. all things in the world are colored with the 7 colors of the rainbow (or 2563 if you're autistic and reference hex instead). if you don't invent a novel color, you're a soulless hack
>>737381074I use colors that only bugs can see
>>737380967Ah, the ol "this was said in the past so it can't be said now" fallacy.Where's the limit? When does it stop? If I have 20 rads of radiation in a room and I notice it rise to 30 and say "hey, that's concerning" yet nobody dies, does it mean it's not an issue when it rises to 50? 80? 300? 1000? Is there no point where something overloads and a previous concern becomes true?>>737381074Please actually respond to what I said and not to what the little imps in your head are whispering to you, that would be awful nice.
>>737381074256^3*
>>737380935sit there crying while i make whatever i want a reality within seconds, retarded luddite
>>737380218>AI derangement syndromeyou should. nothing wrong with spitting on internet ruining slop
>>737381123>Ah, the ol "this was said in the past so it can't be said now" fallacy.you can say it at any point in time. you'll sound retarded all the same. >does it mean it's not an issue when it rises to 50? 80? 300? 1000?that boiling frog thing is literal fiction. a frog will indeed hop out of the pot.
>>737381148>ludditeAlright I think we're done here, I'm not going to communicate with someone whose brain is themselves effectively a form of basic AI.Talk to me when you figure out how to expand your code.
>>737381228>that boiling frog thing is literal fiction. a frog will indeed hop out of the pot.well clearly if you were a frog you wouldn't because when the temp rises youll just say it rose before and was fine wait, ai can't comprehend metaphors right? i wonder if ai worshippers can since their mind runs on ai
>>737380218PITTA
>>737381235you have no argument beyond emotional romanticism of old craft
>>737380218She fucks white men
>>737381292>well clearly if you were a frog you wouldn't because when the temp rises youll just say it rose before and was fine
>>737381421Nigga anon literally said that sometimes changes get to much and you randomly brought up a myth that had nothing to do with it and said the exact same thing he did thus agreeing with himAnd now you're posting an emotional meme image off of the twitters
>>737381148what was the art/style tags for that?
>>737380218I appreciate that pits become more and more "mainstream"
>>737380218It is AI.Check right hand.
>>737381324>t. #5 brainlet who can't do anything themselves and thinks knowing math is worthless since they have a calculator
>>737381235>get called out for exactly what you are>shriek and recoil to an imaginary moral highgroundanti-AI moralists are the most gormless shitheads on the planet
Imagine the cloaca
>>737381565so you have no argument outside of "muh creative emotions", gotchasuper original stuff, i clapped
>>737380935>a hammer doesn't fly up in the air and build a house>a pencil doesn't magically make a picture.and stable diffusion doesn't print out absolute gems unless I tell it to>>737381565>applecuckhey retard, if the apple test was legitimate, books would not have mass appeal. yet the average foid loves erotic literature. that image is stupid and so are you
I don't care if it's AI or not, it looks shit either way
>>737381543It’s Selma Hayek
>>737381573>>737381718why is it always musclegods or literal babieswhy can't you just make something normal
>>737381639Not what I said at all>AI retard lacking critical thinking skillsMany such cases
>sketch/skeCH/noun>1.>a rough or unfinished drawing or painting, often made to assist in making a more finished picture.
>>737381815?>>737380935>stage of your work wherein one's mind needs to be most involved, and you relegate it to the machine. Nothing implies less humanity,your argument is that a human director supplying commands to a printing press has no creative authority, because a machine painted the portrait instead of a human hand even if the result is the same in the endbut please, keep moving goalposts you shitty little snake of a personAI is here to stay, die mad about it
>>737381148>whatever i wantOnly if your wants are somewhat vague and not very specific
>>737380940feet
>>737380218>>737380534>>737380612Hey. Basically, I'm just not gonna buy AI generated garbage... I know.... UGH I know..... I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's just that I'm not gonna pay for it is all HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
>>737382050damn...vaxxstatus??
>>737382050
>>737380679>>737380612Claude generate and audit trail for "my work" for this week. Make it believable to a typical consumer idiot.
>>737380218>>737380534Bitch is hot. Would sacrifice children for
>>737381991except that hasn't been true in over four years.
>>737380935>This is the worst thing possible, the first most fragile and infantile stage of your work wherein one's mind needs to be most involved, and you relegate it to the machine. Nothing implies less humanity, nothing is more foul.well put. outsourcing the creative process to a machine is idiocy because it can only ever come up with something derivative
>We have lost the ability to create anything new our audience will pay for, so we have settled on making DLC for 20+ year old games
>>737382210>something derivativeyou are the derivative work of your parents and/or society. nothing about you is novel or unique. someone, in times long past, or perhaps recent, has done exactly what you have done, in the way you did it, with the exact same outcomes.
>>737380764I personally don't look at any of it as art, but I find messing with it highly entertaining. Mostly just blending concepts, "discovering" style mixes (specifically for images and music), etc.Having said that, I don't give a rat's ass what other people make using it. Never bother listening, only ever give a glance on occasion.In a perfect world I think it would be used only for entertainment and not much else.
>>737382173I've actually tried using these things for something other than gooning. Pretty far from whatever you want.
>>737382310>being daft on purposeanon, please. if AI was capable of being "derivative" in the way humans are we wouldn't be having this conversation
>>737382212Anon, Aoe4 was only just 5 years ago.
>>737381148luddites are yet to be proven
>>737382440And they went back making DLCs to AoE II
>>737382428the first car wasnt faster than a horse.
>>737382210At least we can agree that it's a demake so it's already derivative af. It was derivative before OP found this weird artwork.
>>737382173Why are you posting cropped AI porn for no reason
>>737382403>my subjective incompetence debunks an entire industryCool, great! I had the opposite experience, so we'll balance one another. Isn't that cool?
>>737382536>2 more weeksI'll believe it when I'll see it. it does not look promising at all
>>737382696
>>737382580why do you assume it's porn?
>>737382746what is this, some black and white splotches? yeah this doesn't look promising at all, i think we should pay portrait painters double, if not triple! except that one in austria!
>>737382746We already had that with spaghetti eating. It started with fever dreams and plateau'd at sloppa and hallucinations. Let it go
>>737381534kelvin hiu does the eyes/lashes style like that if you tag it with {sharp eyes} usually, mixes nicely with kunaboto and andava
>>737382536Then AI should fuck off until it is good enough, if I was a horserider chad I would also tell the first carfag to fuck off with his clunky shit. Dont bother replying, i'm not that anon
>>737383023>cars will improve themselves! it should fuck off!>photography will improve by itself! it should fuck off!statements by the utterly deranged. no one likes the fact that RAM and HDD prices have shot up. you can thank the kikes for that, not some dipshit on /v/ making loli starfire pictures
>>737383023>until it is good enough,it's better than 98% of human artists already, stay mad
>>737380218>>737380458yeah, seems intentional, but the art itself looks AI generated even if the design isnt
>>737383103BUT LE HECKIN' SOVL!!!!
It's AI made to look like it's made by AI but not made by AI. A seance told me.
WOW is this hand-drawn?? quick, put it in a museum!!
>>737383139>>737383184holy sour grapes lmao
>>737383184$40 is a bit much for that quality..
>>737383246you don't even know what that means you ESL shithead
>>737383184Draw something better
>>737383328why? so you can criticize the tool i used to materialize what i'm seeing in my mind's eye?
Smells like curry and cow shit in here
>>737383365Holy shit listen to this angry retarded nigger
@737383419i accept your concession
>>737383270you try to diminish amateur artists in a deranged way in an attempt to feel better about yourself despite not being able to do better than them. how is that anything else?
>>737383454what exactly is analogous to the grapes that are out of my foxy grasp, that i deem too sour? bad art? your argument is the same as >>737383328, and once something is produced, you'll wish it was drawn with a pen. or a pencil. or that i had used water color. or that i used acrylic instead of oil-based paints, or literally one of any possible complaints.
>>737383445>Couldn't wait to respond fast enoughDon't forget to bring up the ad hominem you sad, sad, pathetic freak
>>737383594see >>737383445
>>737383531>what exactly is analogous to the grapes that are out of my foxy grasp, that i deem too sour?the joy of creation. no, ordering a soda can from a vending machine is not a creative endeavor. you proompt but you feel nothing so you direct your anger towards the creatives in a vain attempt to feel better
>>737382759because it's suzi le sphere hunter penis haver
>>737380218Boobies
>>737383629>the joy of creation>you proompt but you feel nothing>appeal to emotioninvalid argument. and not only is it invalid, it's also fucking wrong. i love what i make because i get to see what i once saw in my head become a reality.
>>737383328>Draw something bettertook 15 secondsnow what"erm if i zoom in 500x on this pixel here see there's an issue and erm.."LOL
attributing that to ai is kinda dumb becuase that would be a massive oversight and easy to fix
>the tool i used to materialize what i'm seeing in my mind's eyethis is blatantly disingenuous because so much of WHY the artistic process has multiple stages is because you REFINE that idea over and overits like saying>"my value system thinks we should respect everybody"and letting chatgpt generate laws based off that. that's how you end up with policies like decriminalizing hard drugs because "going to jail for having fentanyl would make me sad"you and handing off the vast majority of the actual creative process, the refinement of the idea, what it actually is supposed to mean and represent from you as a human with a message, to be filled in with whatever auto generated mess a machine thinks is what would fit.why even bother prompting at this point when you would literally be happier if you hooked up chatgpt to autofill porn prompts directly into stable diffusion, skip the entire "creative" process entirely, it will literally make you happier and we wont have to have any kind of argumentyou will find the vast majority of "value" you people get out of AI art comes from exclusively pornnot from writing from the heartnot articulating what you care aboutnot telling a story or a message that you think mattersjust making your dick hard. you are the "my 600lbs life" stars but with porn. you jump through hoops to make porn, that's why its gross, its like watching a fat kid indulge in cakes and soda
>>737383759NOOOOOO THAT'S HECKIN' SOULLESS!! YOU'RE A JEET SHITEATER GO BACK TO INDIA>>737383770you'd be surprised how little quality control there is. just look at the sonic, minecraft, or mario movies.
>>737383139I need to stop checking these kind of dA accounts because i always end up feeling really bad for these guys.>500 drawings in the span of 4 years>They all look like toddler doodles with next to zero viewsI admire their tenacity but they should direct their blatant autism toward improving a little.
>>737383931dont feel bad, its a creative outlet, not a professionits like saying you "feel bad" for someone who still plays games on easy after owning every playstation since 3. it just makes you look like a faggot who cares too much about how good other people are onlineits fair to whine about dps because that is literally how he makes rent, he could stand to improve a bit, but if you're just doing it for fun, why does it matter if you're taking "the easy walking paths for the 3rd year in a row instead of going hiking in the mountains"
>>737383759>>737383807I know you're responding to yourself but it unironically looks like shit. Do better
>because you REFINE that idea over and overneither a single stroke of the brush, nor a single prompt, will produce what one desires. there is a reason why you dumb fucks are called luddites, because you fail to grasp just how similar the two processes are. for whatever reason, be it emotional or otherwise, you and your kind are CONVINCED that AI is not a tool, but the mark of satan, and should be condemned at every point>>737383931AI has expedited the "bad art" process, and people who are against AI happily ignore the fact that non-creative people always existed.take this mentally ill retard for example>https://www.deviantart.com/norfsdand pic related is their stuff BEFORE image generation took off 5 years ago.
>>737383931it's the result of literal toxic positivity and it's been the biggest problem with deviantart and furaffinity since their inception as art platformsyou aren't allowed to criticize people, you cannot tell someone they should improve - we have only the upvote, the well-done, the wow-that's-neat and other useless empty praises that keep these people irrelevant and frail in their talent for the rest of their livesworse yet, good artists who start out strong and devolve into nightmare braingarbage shit like this due to the acidic nature of being told your worst is your best >>737383739
>>737384089you will always be a luddite with no argument
I have no problem with people using ai to make their personal goonslop, or even for concepting or placeholders, but if I'm going to be paying money for a product why the fuck would I accept finalized assets being entirely ai generated?
>>737384089>>737384182lmao
>>737380534>>737380612>they are using AI>this results in a conventionally atractive character instead of tranny coded manface, no hips character drawn by a faggot leftistI'm ok with this
>>737383184>$40 for a PICTURELol. Lmao. Absolutely delusional. Imagine needing something like daily youtube thumbnails. Get back to me when "artists" realize their commissions are worth .99 cents a piece, at most.
>>737384182>>737384204Still looks like shit, make a better one
>>737384089>>737383328most btfo retard on /v/ today award
>>737384292be specific, what do you want? "do better" means nothing without specification. what is "better" to you, retard-kun?
>>737384356it has to heckin' have soulerino!!!!
>>737384356Not sure, you're the artist here. Use your tools to make it better. You're the visionary. Why do you need me to tell you what to do?
Literally every single art program worth shit these days has an automated "record timelapse" feature so if professional artists arent using it you can be 100% sure they're slopping
>>737384447because you're just being a silly little guy and i'm trying to give you a chance to unshit your pants here
>>737384447he did, and you didnt like it (as per your post here >>737384292). so what would you like changed? or are you just a balless pedantic woman who argues for the sake of it, despite having already lost?
>>737384510>Can't even make alterations without being told what to do and put into the machineI accept your concession
>>737384087Yeah, i know. In the end i'm just feeling pity for people with mental disabilities.
>>737384560>thinks AI stuff isn't original>his fucking POST wasnt even originalLMAO >>737383445
>>737384560so you don't actually have an argument? that's cool
>>737384560nta but holy cope
>>737380218They'll do it with Korean sweatshop artists like last time
>>737384624See>>737384560
>>737384560This has to be the most embarrassing "I have nothing left" post that I've seen in awhile.
>>737383739just because an emotion was mentioned does not make it into an appeal to emotion fallacy lmao>i love what i makeyou didn't "make" anything though? thanks for confirming I was right and you indeed feel sour grapes towards creatives; why would one care to diminish them at every step while saying>soulerino!!!in such a seething way. LOL! would be pretty funny if it weren't so pathetic
>>737384705wrong, his post had soul
>>737384690listen, you win, okay? big gold trophy, plaque on your wall, kiss on your cheek, the whole kit and kaboodle!now what?did you actually have a point?
>>737380398I see nipples, anon. think of the advertisers
>>737384092>for whatever reason, be it emotional or otherwise, you and your kind are CONVINCED that AI is not a tool, but the mark of satan, and should be condemned at every pointits not about being religious, its about the complete lack of effort, which directly corresponds to the amount you actually value what you are creatingyou could make similar arguments that "the jump from oil painting to digital art is just like the jump from digital art to AI"except that would be disingenuous because the jump from oil to art still has work put into it, it is a skill you can be bad at and improve with, significantly. it is literally as valuable as the sweat you pour into it.that growth does not happen with AI. at best you "train" (which is a misnomer, since training implies struggle and growth) a lora of whatever you are trying to make and then fiddle around with it until you happen to get a result you are happy with.spending 15 seconds to generate a version of someone's art that looks right at home on rule34 isnt impressive, it just shows how much you miss the point. the value in art is the message, not just "nice curves and good shading"like, sure i dont think the twitter art is pleasant to look at, but there are plenty of books that bore me to death, but i'm not so retarded as to assume they are just completely worthless. its still a perspective into someone else's life, that's why its worth thinking or caring about.i dont expect you to admit it, but i do hope you realize at some point that, people dont hate AI because its ugly, as it will probably eventually get rid of the small hallucinations or whatever, but people hate it because it has the same ego as corporate art styles that are designed to sell you something. they dont exist for artistic purposes, they literally arent "capital A. Art", by letting the machine control the process you lose the ability to call it art
>>737380218Hello my friends.
>>737384894fuzz or no fuzz?
>>737380218Okay but why is she so white? Evern modern latinos don't come out that white
>>737384828>its about the complete lack of effortstopped reading there. tweaking prompts to get something to look the way you want it takes lots of patience and time. at the highest level of product, the result is the same, the refinement process is, while not identical, more or less the same, and takes the same amount of effort (which is the crux of your argument). the only thing that's vastly different is the medium. likewise, you can still ride a horse wherever you want instead of driving a car. you can still draw/paint someone's portrait instead of taking a photo. no one is stopping you. while a modern camera (phone) truly is point-and-shoot, a car at least takes a level of skill to operate. now compare how far along the first camera has come. generative AI is only 6 years old.
>>737385085your brown skin is showing
>by letting the machine control the process you lose the ability to call it art
>>737384996Fuzz, always. We like actual women here, not barbie dolls.
>>737385172>anyone i disagree with is the enemy tribe are you sure?
hello dall-e niggershow's /vg/ and /g/ treating you
>>737384996Absolutely no.
>>737384621>AIfag lacking critical thinking skillsMany such cases
>>737383139
>>737385284the /vg/ thread is pretty fucking comfy now that there isn't the hourly autismo justice warrior skidmarking his way into the thread to tell them that robots are heckin evil
>>737385085you again fail to understand the difference between "Capital A. Art" and generated ai "art"i'm sorry you do not have enough qualifying humanity to understand why people create things, i can only hope you are reincarnated as a real full human in your next cycle of samsara.
>>737385249Positive
>>737385085>you don't get it man... taking a snickers bar from the aisle and bringing it to the cash register takes effort man... but the process of creating that snickers bar makes it all worth it... 6 more years until AGI btwyou're like a walking caricature lmaooo
>>737385464i consider your claims hypocritically african if that is the caseimagine sitting at a court of peers, if you would, and suddenly standing up to announce the pale man across from you is african due to his beliefsnonsense and quibble
>>737385363People STILL posting the scripted samefag screencap
>>737385442>le humanity>le soul>>737385487>strawman
>>737385487>food analogy strawmantwitter they/thems really aren't sending their strongest anymore
>>737385442You sound like a schizo, go live in the woods or something.
>>737380218It's AI but at least it's sexoProblem is, I tried playing Retold and it feels kind of soulless, I would much rather play the OG. It's weird because this didn't happen for me with AoE II DE which feels like it captures very similar levels of soul, even the OST.
>>737385803i kinda like the reusable god powers. and the first chinkware remake sucked a cock and ran poorly. this one runs much better. that being said, im not buying the DLC for a game from 23 years ago.
>>737382173>>737381573>>737381148So you got a link or what
>>737385570>>737385616>no argumentstruth hurts eh? go pick at some 3 followers deviantart accounts and "create" some more fanta cans from the vending machine
>>737386145>erm uhh, um. snickers bar, uh, buying? eating food? mmm, food in my belly? burp! now you're silly!~shut the fuck up you stupid vile american
>>737385553it's all they have. please understand sir
>>737385862Like look at this, UI looks like mobile game dogshitOh well, what can you do
>>737384828As much as it's slop...as you say >"nice curves and good shading"There are cases of games that are just about graphics. It's 100% graphics. Assuming it gets to that level-and then there's individual judgement of it. There's also the precedent of stock assets. I might not pay or like or even look at a game that seems to be all about graphics or, alternatively, uses stock assets, but is the value 0? Maybe the value is...0.001. I'd have to be very confident to make such absolute statements and further. Like, what if I don't need the wall for a game to be art. It's there for someone to walk through and facilitate gameplay. It's hard to state absolutes.
>>737386197you gonna cry some more or are you going to demonstrate how the simple food analogy totally isn't applicable and your proompting is a real creative endeavor?
>>737386286formulate your argument above a higschool level if you desire discourse>"The quality of what you make is lessened due to the involvement of tools in its creation."ok? that's it? a statue isn't a statue because it was cast from a mold rather than carved by hand?what the fuck do you want that hasn't been disproven millions of times already?
>>737386253even then their argument falls apart. you either go out like nintendo did, and take a photo of a wall/stones/bricks to make a "wall" texture, or you can generate one with AI (the model/checkpoint of which was trained on photos of a wall/stones/bricks)the REAL argument against AI is found in my post here >>737384092; where AI has made it much easier to dump literal slop on the internet.
>>737386363>"The quality of what you make is lessened due to the involvement of tools in its creation."I formulated my argument at a high school level and you still didn't get it, lmao. no, what I'm saying is there is no effort nor creativity involved in typing a few words so the generator can spit out something that kind of looks like you wanted>a statue isn't a statue because it was cast from a mold rather than carved by hand?no, you ordering the statue from amazon is not you creating it nor are you an artist for clicking "buy now" after having typed "statue". you know that deep inside but you're lying to yourself which now loops back to the sour grapea about feeling the need to diminish actual creatives
>>737386286>>737386363BTFO
>>737386253deriving the value of something through its "means to create and inflate stock prices" which is already a 4th or 5th order derived value of something>the dollar value of>a stock representing a piece of>a company that produces a>screw used in building housesyou're just so far lost in the purpose of somethingArt only has one purpose, it only does one thingArt is beautiful and human and connects you with its author, that's why facsimiles of art are so disturbing, its like seeing a skinwalker, its literally pretending to be something good and human so it can get you to lower your guard around it and it can take advantage of youits literally how corporate art works, that's why its so upsettingAI does the same thing, you literally cannot envision in your mind exactly what you want to have created and see it made before you, that's not how generative AI works. you can only guide it but it is not something you have such strict control over like drawing or writingit divorces you from the effort of forming the piece, that is influenced by you as a person, your state of mind, the ways you feel, the minutia of what it means to be YOU as a HUMAN cannot be reduced to>"(((big boobs))), (blond hair), (solo female), (shoulder length hair), (goth), (mommy), (halo)"the same way the faggot who wrote their wedding vows using AI cannot give a real articulation of what he loves about his wife. you are divorcing yourself from the process by nature of the very tools you use, we have been painting on the sides of cave walls with our hands for millennia, generative AI is reducing your entire being, every year you've lived, every person you've met, how you feel about your mother, your father, how you feel about society, how you feel about work and love and pain and age, its taking all of that and reducing it to like twenty words. that is not enough to be human, it does not have the humanity required for creative processes
>>737386740you're on the endless gatekeeping treadmill where the painter must make his own brush, create his own paint, raise his own plants and beetles to mortar and pestle - who cares?the result is the same in the end, and results are the only thing that matters. your creative processes are purely emotional romanticism
>>737386761>calling victory before a replyyou're so desparate hahaha
>>737386895>creating a strawman and attacking that instead of what's actually being saidthanks for playing
>>737386895why do you think, on a fundamental level, people read fictional stories?why do you think pieces of art that might not be immaculate marble sculptures resonate with people?just because it "looks good and doesnt have mistakes"?
>>737386740>no, you ordering the statue from amazon is not you creating it nor are you an artist for clicking "buy now" after having typed "statue".thats...not what he said...you reworded his argument to make it easier to conform to your retarded worldview. hey, ESL nigger animal, that's called a STRAWMAN and is INVALIDthe argument at hand is that it doesn't matter what the fucking process is. whether you pour plaster into a cast, or chip away at a block with a hammer and chisel, you cna still get a fucking statue.now all of a sudden you're talking about fucking ordering the statue off of amazon entirely. what??you clearly don't have an understanding of what a prompt process even looks like. i'm not saying its an arcane, impossible to learn task, but it's not analogous to fucking clicking BUY NOW on amazon. you have an idea, and you slowly modify the prompt. you change parts you like, increase token strength, add weird shit to negative prompts, toy around with resolution, steps, LORAs, denoising strength. anyone can learn it. it's a TOOL. the TOOL doesn't matter if the end result looks the same. look at the fucking stupid thing OP posted. the entire thread is about how OP was able to identify the art in question was made with AI. that's not the tool's fault, it's the fault of lazy humans.if you still can't understand that AI is not the problem, you're literally a fucking retard who needs to die in a fire.
>>737387001>why do you think pieces of art that might not be immaculate marble sculptures resonate with people?how can you hold this opinion, but the idea that high level AI stuff looks good to some people is out of your grasp? or are you so conceited that you cannot bring yourself to admit that there are good products made with AI
>>737380218>>737380398more like Coatlicute
>>737380534Literally looks like Midjourney porn generation
>>737386957worthless post from a useless person
>>737387124i'm not saying AI cant "look good" but i'm trying to tell you why people dont like itthe logical conclusion of AI is that every image always looks perfect, but that's not the point of Artwhat do you think the point of Art is?why are dirty, grimy, uncomfortable stories popular?why are paintings representing psychosis, that look right out of a horror film popular?can you even answer the question?
>>737387149>raise his own plants and beetles to mortar and pestleguaranteed that idiot has no idea what you meant by this. absolutely guaranteed. you just know.
>>737387046he's just going to report you and "win" by crying to the janny because you used naughty words now..
>>737387298oops meant for >>737386895>>737387332>i dont have to put up with dipshits for 3 dayswtf i love jannies now
You all must capitulate to AI or be butthurt forever to the last hair follicle.
>>737386895AI isn't art and doesn't democratize shit, it's a surveillance tool that also facilitates endless debt and lease economies
>>737387248we don't sign our posts here anon. there is slop to proompt, why are you wasting time itt anyway?
>>737387046>the argument at hand is that it doesn't matter what the fucking process is>whether you pour plaster into a cast>chip away at a block with a hammer and chisel>you cna still get a fucking statueso why is my creative process of requesting one from a builder not valid then?i imagined my perfect statue in my mind and typed it in to the "statue request website" and it appeared in front of meseems at least as valid as AI since it functionally did the same thing what part of it is different and why?
>>737387384gotta remember that nearly 70% of /v/ is unironically underage sharties and autistic randalls
>>737387046>now all of a sudden...it was a re-iteration of the snickers and fanta can analogy you implied was waaay below your paygrade to respond to so it was changed to the statue analogy you introduced but misconstrued. nice spergout lmao
r/isthisai
>>737380218It's 100% AI, but the hands are meant to be there.
Oh boy, an Age of Mythology thread
>>737382475They're making DLCs for 4 as well
>>737387494>i imagined my perfect statue in my mind and typed it in to the "statue request website" and it appeared in front of meno it didnt. or, the thing that dall-e or midjourney spat out was extremely generic and, as you say, "perfect," which only means you have low standards. >so why is my creative process of requesting one from a builder not valid then?it sounds like you simply do not understand what the process of generative AI even entails. to you, one types random garbage with a keyboard, and something comes out. imagine if someone who did not understand the absolute basics of the internal combustion engine said that horses are superior to cars. when you ask why, they say, "umm because you press the pedal and you go..."boiling down a process to its path of least resistance doesn't make you an intellectual. you're just a fucking brainlet retard.
>>737387468>unironically posting "no u" in smug confidencedo you feel brave and powerful now, anon? you won! you won an internet argument against the big mean AI users! the world is saved!
>>737387825I know I won because instead of proving me wrong you resorted to attacking me personally. I just returned the favor and now you're being effeminate again
>>737387994you chose cosmic indifference when directly confronted with negative conversation each time it arrived in your court, but please, grandstand like you accomplished something in the attempt
>>737387814>imagineTall order.
>>737388056mighty projection
>>737386215>the same UI as the original version
>>737380218i'm more shocked that there is a gooner imagei thought attractive females with cleavages were a big no no
>>737388172>another buzzword
>>737388193she's brown so it's ok
>>737388172>indifference againgosh dude you're like, so enigmatic and smarti'm changing my ways...
>>737388263not as brown as in latest dawn of war 4 trailer
>>737380534Ai is terribly bad with tails and snake coils. it messes up their continuity real bad. might use AI base because of the needless realistic pit details but there's clear artistic input here to fix AI mistakes at least.But yeah the retold team really uses AI for their artwork in their pipeline. feels like old days photoshop edits of photos for games like BG or NWN
>>737388193AI is biased towards making characters convetionally attractive
Mesoamerican history anon hereAs other people in the thread have already noted, Coatlicue is often depicted with a necklace made from human hands and hearts, so no, the choice of having hands around her neck like that is probably deliberateThat being said, most of the designs used for the gods and units in the AoM expansion look pretty terrible in terms of how authentic they are to actual Aztec fashion and iconography, most of them are based on Concheros/Danza Aztecas preformers (as is the case for most of the deities, >>737381543 being a good example, the Jaguar Rider Unit, etc) or Apocalypto cave man looking shit (which is what they went with for the Shorn One unit)Me and my friends often post pic related as a demonstration of "stereotypical" vs authentic Mesoamerican aesthetics and the AoM expansion is a perfect example of media going for the left side stereotypical approach
>>737380881they've had shit like this in aom from the beginning
>>737388498>Mesoamerican history anon hereme too. i went to cancun on vacation. learned about the restoration of the pyramids, and about kukulkan and all that other crap they feed tourists. i asked the manlet mayan spic what "shastinban" means, the word used by the mayans as an affirmative in aoe2. he just looked at me, puzzled. i dont think these games are meant to be realistic historically, though its a nice edge.
>/v/ is being retarded>AGAIN
...but is the DLC any good?
>>737388178you cant be serious
>>737388610yes anon, i admitted i was wrong, and posted evidence >>737380398>>737388652if it aint broke...
>>737388652It's fun so far, the Aztecs are cool and I'm enjoying the campaign
>>737388652Played a few matches, Aztecs are super cool. About to tackle the new campaign now.
>>737388671Lel eat shit niglet
>>737387814the website is amazon you delusional retardthe statue literally appeared in front of me physically, as it was delivered and it IS perfect because it is an exact recreation of what i was imagining in my mindi can "imagine" a burger and fries and "create" them in front of me with uber eats, why is that different or less qualifying than typing in "burger and fries" to stable diffusion and seeing them appear on my screen?even if we go by your OWN STANDARDS in your OWN POST, where you deride the worth of something based on the effort it takes to make it, that would, by itself, tell you how much lower quality generative AI is compared to traditional or even digital art.but you dont even bother to stop and read the things you type, you just scream and shout and contradict yourself because you are incapable of understanding
>i can "imagine" a burger and fries and "create" them in front of me with uber eats, why is that different or less qualifying than typing in "burger and fries" to stable diffusion and seeing them appear on my screen?
>>737389041>i can "imagine" a burger and fries i'm sure you can, fatty
are any of the AoM dlcs worth playing?I'm kinda starving for rts campaign
>>737389041You can't argue with AI tards anon, they're as overzealous and set in their ways as any fanatic religion.
>>737389185tribalistic nonsense post
>>737389185religious fanatic*changing your typing style doesnt hide the fact that you're a samefagging ESL shitskin
>>737380764companies are trying to see how soulless they can get
>>737389165They're all pretty goodWithout having finished the Aztec campaign yet, I'd say Japan has the best one and China has the weakest, but I suspect the Aztec campaign will shape up to be pretty good, there's a story split very early on so you're not just fighting Aztecs over and over
>>737389268Wrong, as always
it took you that long to hit inspect element? no wonder you struggle with stable diffusion LMAO
>>737389414retard
>>737380881They censored Gaia because of trannies like you
>>737388498i like this genre of mexican brainworms a lot more than the colonized aspiring to whiteness one
>>737380218Even if you're AI-generating an image shouldn't you at least look at it once before publishing?
>>737380534So is her pussy free access under those snakes, just curious haha
>>737390259Shouldn't you read a thread before posting?
>>737390162I'm not Mexican or Hispanic, just an autist with an obsession for Mesoamerican history and archeology
>>737383184I make this in one hour of my time but I still think this is a rip off.
Holy jeet aisloppa, the fuck is this line on the inside of her boob Did they have silicone tits back in aztec times?
>>737386010https://imgur.com/gallery/RoS7nY6
>>737391236>dolphin porn
>>737380726>>737380679actual artist here"final rendering" generally includes full color, clean up, and final details, and while there may be slight process variations between studios, a "sketch" will always include all required decisions for values (eg separation of darks and lights)the sketch on the left clearly has areas that are unfinished and with mistakes. it would in no way be considered a finalize render. there are also sketch lines that carry into the rough color. that eventually get covered up with color/paint. i'd be hard pressed to say this is completely AI. AI may have been used, but the workflow is clear.>>737388391it's perfectly reasonable to assume that a real artist went through several revisions on where to put the snakes because there's a lot of them. their placement and final detailing change a lot.at the end of the day, inpainting is something that plenty of studios are using these days and 100% getting away with, and i'd say the biggest tell that this could be AI is the lack of credit. i also saw this process image, and found it curious how the final render is easily portfolio material for an up-and-coming artist, but they provide no credit, and i can't find anyone taking credit for it.tldr concept art sketches aren't just lineart; they almost always have rough value/light decisions made before moving to color. ai-gen vs ai-assisted art is becoming harder to see these days, but no one taking credit for the final is "interesting" despite being competently made if we assume it is 100% made by a human - could be an Alan Smithee situation.
AI or not, at least they are fucking BABES. I'm still possed they turned Gaia in to an elemental instead of a human like she's supposed to be. I'm sick of mythology being super fantasy inspired.
>>737389165Honestly they all are. Haven't played Aztecs yet but both China and Japan are fun.
>>737392798You saying this is ironic considering Coatlicue is sometimes depicted as barely human and more a writhing mass of snakes erupting out of a torsoSee >>737380398 and pic related
>>737392798I don't mind that the titans are more elemental since they're more primordial but I wish they actually committed to it and made all the titans follow suitGaia getting that treatment alone smacks of bullshit (not counting Oceanus since he was already a fish-man in the original and he's still very -man in Retold)
For me? It's
>>737393367XIAO HONG SHUUUUUUUUU
>>737390548You niggers will probably have a seizure looking at 2000s and 2010s art.
>>737380897i wish to be young and naive again
>>737390548How come people like you piss themselves at the sight of boobs, but all the other fictional stuff in video games are ok? This is Age of MYTHology we're talking about, a lot of shit that isn't real is depicted there, but boobs just drive you out of control into a fit of rage.
>Good looking woman with visible cleavageWhat the fuck, Microsoft change this now!!!
>>737393670I find it especially funny that people have become so preoccupied by finding inaccuracies in AI art that they tend to forget that human artists make a lot of mistakes too which is what AI art is trained on to begin with. Western comic book art alone has a lot of these issues.
>>737380218That's her portable shota.
>>737380218who cares nerd, look at those pits
All good points on both sides but thinking about it that reminds me of the Pharaoh demake with bluesky art (dei) yikes. Isn't AI art better than that? Yikes. If not AI art, they'd make that instead. AAA is screwed either way. I'd rather have /Aom/-style "AI" art and the game would be playable. Imagine a mod that replaced ""muh hooman art"" art by tumblr for >>737383759 instead.
>aztec army>walk near a single leaf>SHHH SHSHHS HHSHHHHS HHHHHSHHHHH SHHHHHHA little annoying.
>>737380218>2026>still no Sumerians>still no PersiansWhy is Microslop like this?
>>737393670>>737393731Do you guys have brain damage? Im talking about errors in rendering in this artwork, caused either by AIslop or artist not knowing how a bag of fat behaves in that scenario lol
>>737380726The fuck you redcircling? That some elements changed between sketch and rendered version??
>>737380612It's hilarious that fags can't tell anymore and lash out at artists half the time.
>>737395485You realize that doing a reverse-engineered process WIP is a thing, right?
>Kastor immediately succumbs to mesopussy
>>737380534They were using AI to remake the portraits when they first announced Retold. No shit they're going to continue to use it. They make you pay for the old portraits too.
>>737395251Because you're immediately assuming that it's AI when artists have been drawing boovs like that longer than you have been born. You can just say the boobs look fake without accusing it as ai.
>>737380218>promise myself i won't buy the Aztect dlc if they don't have human sacrifice>they're woke shits so they'll surely whitewash them i thought>dlc does have human sacrifice for AztectsWell fuck, now i have to buy it
>>737396990>auto-create villagers>garrison them to the temple>literal sacrifice factory
>>737380534Why can't these fucking AI sloppers touch up and fix the image a little? God fucking damn the sheer laziness is what really pisses me off.
>>737397184Your words mean nothing if you're unable to point out the supposed flaws.
>>737397184It's almost like they're not artists and have no experience outside of being retarded faggots who prompt for "high quality, detailed, studio style."
>>737397253What's funny is that people can't even point out what is even human art anymore because even genuine human mistakes are just blaimed or excused as AI errors.
>>737393670OH wow it's almost like it copies what it was trained on ala 2000s and 2010s art. Retard
>>737396990They're "devoted" which definitely kills them but it's not super bloodyThough with the blood/bones DLC it is funny seeing the temples surrounded by skeletons all the timeMaking a blood/bones DLC at all is pretty fucking awful but that's the world we live in apparentlyIn one campaign cutscene you do get to cut out the heart of an enemy (offscreen) and it looks like a tortured soul which is metal in its own way
>>737380218These guys were already caught using AI slop before.Not like the original god art is iconic or anything. Nah, let's just replace it with AI slop, SARR.Fuck em' and fuck everyone who paid for the demake.
>>737381074We hate soulful games now?
>>737397558You never played AoM before. Stop pretending.
>>737397515That's the entire point. I can show you something from that era and you'd think it's ai.
>>737397663>He doesn't know how to read eitherVery cool.
I'll just wait for a sale, I haven't still finished chink and nip DLC. Did the expansion improved any old civs like giving greeks back their only non-god locked healer?
>>737397725No healersI wish they brought back the Extended units for the scenario editor, at leastYou really gonna tell me the Chinese don't want their Monkey King back
>>737397421Human mistakes are different from those of AIAnd humans cannot really shit out near perfect copies of other people's art.
>>737381802nta but you should be the change you want to see.
>>737397994That being said it's pretty funny that sloppers really want to pass as artists to the point of trying to copy human mistakes.
>>737388596>i asked the manlet mayan spic what "shastinban" meansI actually dove deep into that pit last year and even updated their shitty wiki for anything I could cross-check.And no, I'm not Mesoanon.Basically the guys speak Kaqchikel (Quatemalan Maya language) but didn't get basic pronunciation guidance.Though it's understandable, shit's been put into the game sometimes in 1999.The line itself is Ja' xtinb'än "Yes, I'll do it."Ja' (which should be spelled as Kha, not Sha) means "Yes".Xtinb'än (Shtinbuhn) is then "I'll do it". Mayan languages aren't quite as fucked with merging entire sentences down into a single word as a fuckton of Native American languages, but they still compose things a bit. In this case Xt-in-b'än I-FUTURE-do, if I read my old notes correctly.Somewhat boring, somewhat fun. The most perplexing thing was finding that for one line, they say the same word both in Maya and Aztec lines... and the VAs in the Aztec lines actually read them out without the spelling error. Other Aztec lines were still a mystery to me, tho and whomever confidently declared that shit is Mayan is just full of shit.
>>737381148AI is pretty much only good for porn and gooning, because porn has no soul or merit behind itT. AI gooner
>>737380218damn it i thought she had her grippers out in the thumbnail
>>737381148You don't make shit, jeet. The computer does it for you.
>>737383365You don't see anything in your mind's eye. If you did, you wouldn't need a robot to draw it for you.
>>737380534The hands and feet are fine. I don't follow the beads but I also don't follow the snakes, they just come out of her I guess.At most I think this is a case of AI creating concept art. The pose, the snakes coming out of her, etc.
>>737397184mind pointing out what they should fix?
>t-there's lots of merit in my tumblrslop Objectively, machine art could have zero soul in it and it's better than tumblr "bluesky-esque" art made by a tumblr-user human. The tumblr is negative value. They cancel each other and it's a benefit to society.
Everytime someone enters and tries to epically dunk with AI its always the exact same fucking NovelAI krekkove nyantcha slopgens featuring hyper asses and futaCan you niggers not run local? Can you not experiment with artists? Use Anima preview 3 or a refined noobaivpred model instead of slopmaxxing like a fag
>>737398796this but with digital art programsdraw on paper or eat shit and die, jeet
>>737397184Think of the shareholders, anon.They did actually redo all of the OG gods for the main release of the remake... after trying and failing to get people to accept they're not AI-made.Of course the new ones were just as AI-made as the previous lot (yeah, sure, they redid 4 entire pantheons worth of art in a week) but at least they did a pass on them to clear out all the obvious generated crap before releasing them to people so the room temperature IQ fans could go "Oh yeah, papa Microsoft big corpo was actually tricked by evil subcontractors who gave them AI art when they asked for real stuff. But they fixed the issue now and got real art for us. Yay! Praise be Microsoft, glory to Phil Spencer (PBUH).">https://old.reddit.com/r/AgeofMythology/comments/1f8h7ax/every_god_portrait_originalbetarelease_sidebyside/I know >leddit but the picture is 19MB even compressed as WebP. Jpeg would have to murder it to fit the 4MB limit.
>>737381148>heart eyesDaring today, aren't we?
>>737399085ironically digital artists could easily do that, without your A1111 webui install or novelai servers you are nothing
>>737399095huh
>>737399037their baiting you, nobody actually thinks that shit looks good
>>737398717
>>737399205>ironically digital artists could easily do thatlol
>>737399365sexo
>>737399095>>737399325what is it about AI that makes it so blatant?technically there's nothing wrong with these, all the smaller details look good and lack the AI hallucinations but I still can't shake the feeling it's AI
>>737399325Welp.
>>737399205oh yeah they all certainly would know how to execute their trillion readymade downloaded photoshop brushes manually on paper, you actual monkey
>trying to pronounce these aztec words
>>737399609Do you think brushes make you a professional or something? Lol.Why won't you just download some epic brushes and draw me a masterpiece? A lot of digital paintings done with a default hard round brush.
>>737399085Don't be a retarded faggot, digital art still requires human input.
>>737399756he's talking about the dozens of conveniences that make digital art trivial compared to hand-drawn art, retarded jeet.
>>737388498You've been on this website a long time and I hope this level of passion has netted you some success in a field where it counts. I'm not being ironic either, I'm always pleased to see your breakdowns.
>>737399934Implying traditional art doesn't have conveniences, retardbro
>>737399519>what is it about AI that makes it so blatant?If you put in the effort, you can make AI shit out stuff that is genuinely the same as human art. IFMost don't so you're left with the obvious errors. Like how it's either thoroughly uber-detailed and super-perfect in every single pixel. Humans don't draw like that, people budget their time, attention, skill level and the result is nowhere near as uniform.Likewise, when AI makes something retarded like an impossible wall and some retard says "Uh nuh, it's just the artist saving time on details that aren't important", it's much harder to accept when you see details that would take 5 hours to sculpt out filling out this brain puzzle wall... People simply don't phone in shit like that. They can make the whole thing simple, random, they can copy-paste some backgrounds but the Michelangelo-painting like perfectly lit background is really not it unless they've got a tool that can shit out that sort of detail at the drop of a button. The AI image generator.
>>737399975such as? don't claim that an eraser is on the same level as ctrl + z, jeet
>>737380218idk if it's AI or not it definitely has the AI look but regardless it looks like trash
>>737399519First of all, there's a million completely different ways an AI generated image can look depending on what your training dataset you is, but those images in particular have a shading style that's pretty similar to what some of the most popular models put out. Also, all of those images look very similar in style. If they were actually drawn by a person they would almost certainly have to have come from 1, maybe 2 artists. Unless those artists were gods that don't get tired and can draw perfectly 24/7 there's no way they could've put out 48 portraits in the amount of time they had.
>>737380218Is there any reason to play Retold over the original?Does the original not run on modern windows or something?
>>737399756You can't even fucking read, nigger. Holy shit.
>>737400254It has 3 new civs, each with their own campaigns.It has two new gods for old civs.The gameplay is heavily rebalanced.
>>737400254Retold has more content and some balancing changes but that's about it really. The graphical changes make it look like a mobile game, they don't really put a lot of money into it as an IP.
>>737399325The right ones look so much better the center and left ones look like generic fantasy shit
>>737400254There's zero reason not to play Retold if you have the means.
>>737400516you can't be serious
>>737399519>what is it about AI that makes it so blatant?One of the things is that it's just too high effort. Too rendered.
>>737400087Most digital shortcuts come from traditional, like tracing and such. Ctrl+Z is the only actual advantage aye. But it pretty much only saves you paper.>>737400364Can you?
>>737400516Lmao, if I told you the left was human drawn and the right was AI you would've said some shit like "And CEOs think this garbage will replace human artists, kek".
Morons, she is Coatlicue. Mexica goddes of fertility. She has sagging breasts (apparently not), and she symbolizes fertility. The hands in the neck is the necklace (made of hands), and also the necklace is suppoused to have human hearts. Also, why is she white and not brown like mommy Asha Sharma?
>>737400764Take your meds
>>737400254There are some issues here and there but it's an improvement overallAs someone who got their copy of AoM in a cereal box two decades ago I'm pretty satisfied and all the DLC factions have been great
>>737384231you're exactly the kind of person jews love to manipulate
>>737400254>Does the original not run on modern windows or something?Of course it doesn't. You need to crack it even if you have a legit CD/DVD from back in the day and it's a bit of a lottery with Windows.They also refuse to put them on GoG and pseudo-blacklist them on Steam to make absolutely sure you buy the new one and don't compare.AoM is a classic. Old but AAA quality of its era.Retold is a massive overhaul mod. It's made of random, disperate parts, some of which work well and some of which are either janky or cheap. Like any big modding project made by a bunch of randos with random skillsets.
>>737380612>shriveled witch hands become baby handsthere's no way this isn't ai
>>737400748>Most digital shortcuts come from traditionalyes and they're much more powerful compared to traditionallayers are tracing on steroidsundo is an eraser on steroidsetc
Retold isn't nearly as bad as people say. There are some minor differences x and that's because they ported into the AoE 3 engine rather than work with what was surely a janky clusterfuck of the old engine.
>>737399938I appreciate your interest and support.I've definitely made some important and valuable connections with people in the field over time, though I wouldn't say that's translated much into actual monetary or professional success, per sayCould be better, could be worse.
>>737386215wtf they have graboids?
>>737401257Of course it isn't. There's like 2-3 people tops who relentless shit on it whenever a thread pops up. Otherwise it's hailed as an objectively superior experience, just like AoE2DE.
>>737401460Honestly? As long as you can acknowledge you're making an impact in collective consciousness with your own diligence, I think that's a win. Any humanities field is hell to break into - I'm clinging to mine for life, and it's probably holding me back a bit.
>>737386215I don't see what I'm supposed to be mad about here.
>>737381148>needing AI to do thatNgmi
>>737398796retard
>>737383445>@737383419
>>737380726>circle parts that were changed>call it img2img
>>737401906>not using force multiplierssquanderer
>>737399325For me it's Cronus. The Atlanteans being able to spawn titans on the field is up there with the bronze giants for being the coolest units.
>>737402337>relying on crutch machines You will never be human
>>737402436digging with your bare hands isn't very productive
>>737380612>>737380534/ic/ nigger here.They fed it to a AI to finish the render after the rough color at the very least.I will have to look at the B/W sketch and Rough color more closely to see if it was really a AI sketch and rough though. But I wouldnt trust them honestly becasue those feet look pretty bad in the rough color but the hands arnt. Also the body in the sketch is pretty well rendered for a B/W.But the whole thing screams AI because of the composition and the background to me when I saw the Final first so its trash.
>>737402801Built for angry facials.
the real problem is that you wouldn't be able to give a non-emotional answer on why AI art is bad, anyway.why shouldn't they use it? it's the same as operating photoshop or digital brush tools
>>737388498>>737401460I'm interested in Mesoamerican folklore and mythology for a fantasy race for my game. What relevant resources would you recommend?
>>737388498How is the painting on the top left innacurate besides what they are wearing? That style of paiting its not meant to be geographically accurate, in the sense that on how Tenochtitlan actually looked but its supposed to tell a story in the paiting itself. Its a exaggeration of the battle. Comparing it to A, is a bit silly. In fact, that painting was done 150 years AFTER the battle, by someone who probably never visited Mexico. Its a series of events contained in one photo.Here is also a painting picrel, done in by Peter Dennis, known for his works on History including being the Illustrator for many of the Osprey books.
>All pantheons have varied and creative myth units>chinese pantheon is just "tiger-like quadruped number 345"this hurts the feelings of chinese people
>>737403660Tale of the Dragon has more variety but was so shit it actually hurt the feelings of the Chinese, Retold's version is actually the "respectful" versionAnd in fairness to Chinese mythology, it is, but it turns out it's boring compared to Japan and Aztecs not giving a fuckThe Chinese played themselves and lost, as usual
Aztec favor generation is cool conceptually but playing it feels like ass>oops, your warrior priest got sniped (like hell it won't with its shit armor and hp), no favor for you
>>737403961They also have an annoying habit of running ahead of the rest of the army and getting killed before anything happens, tooI think they bugged up the pathfinding again
>>737388498I was just thinking about you back in the 40k general.
>>737388498If only the retards at morrowind tamriel rebuilt could learn from you mesoanon
>>737380218CHOP CHOP
>>737380612I mean just look at the face. Whoever this artist is has been utterly indotrinated by Woke shit. He drew a black face on a native American and also made her boobs show way less. AI was used to fix it. Her face is literally AIfied and so are her boobs.
>>737400254Matchmaking, I guess? Yeah, there's new civs but they're behind pricy dlcs. It looks cool but is kind of a demake. So it boils down to, if you want to try the multiplayer.
>>737403071I have some resources here https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/61614230/#61749571 but I haven't updated them in many years, some of the links (such as to the book mega) are dead, and i'm not sure I'll have time to update them anytime soon. A friend of mine has this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ynDa2WGfH0-ZOlyZWWabx7CQ8J-RHUBJjDdEmCo4gZE/edit?usp=sharing resource collection, but it's WIP and is kind of messy, and also relies on some out of date links and resources, such as the art drive and plebbit resource directory both having not been updated in a few years, but it's more up to date then my 4chan resource set, at least.If you specify what sort of stuff in particular you're looking for it'll be easier for me to give specific suggestions as well.>>737403192Within the context of the comparison, the Siege of Tenochtitlan painting is there for a few reasons. Firstly, as you note, the clothing is quite inaccurate, and it's a representation of depictions that show the Mesoamericans as being mostly naked people just in loincloths. The muted color of the painting is also meant to represent that sort of stereotypical aesthetic choice. Lastly, it's included specifically BECAUSE it's meant to be a representative of the broader "genre" of paintings made during that period you're referencing, because they collectively represent an important part of the development of how visual stereotypes surrounding Mesoamerica came to be.Me and my friends are working on an image that shows that process of development, see pic, but it's on the backburner for now. And yes, I like Peter Dennis's artwork. He occasionally makes some small errors (maybe larger ones when it comes to the Conquistadors, they obviously aren't my speciality), but he mostly does a great job. As it applies to the specific painting you posted, though, the scale is quite off: The architecture is much larger then it should be. >>737404152Why, what did they do?
>>737404554still seething over argonians using mesoamerican background architecture in ESO and skyrim and calling generic
>>737380218hOOt
I dont care if its AI or notthe post-2010s MTG style hyper-rendered fantasy art looks fucking shiiiitI hate this hearthstone ass artit fucking SUCKS
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tl0rtp0Kz4
>>737404687That's because the argonians in prior games didn't use mesoamerican inspired aesthetics you dumpass. There's nothing WRONG with it, it's just kind of gay to go from something bizarre and alien like lizardmen raised by living trees that travel by giant worm and making them into shoddy copies of Warhammer Fantasy lizardmen.
>>737404554>As it applies to the specific painting you posted, though, the scale is quite off: The architecture is much larger then it should be.Yeah I was gonna mention this when I saw this painting. No way it was THAT big becasue I saw another drawing that the scale of the buildings did look quite oversized.But your not gonna get a lot of historically accurate stuff unless the artist (like myself) is working along side with someone who knows the history or there is a good ref collection they have that are historically accurate. And it also depends on who the art is for and finally, if the art is for something else like a director or whatever. So there are plenty of errors that can appear over the course before it finally gets to the public.I typically feel historical accuracy clothing a lot of the times, are more interesting. But remember that means it costs more, and since grey/brown and rags = poor and gloomy/middle ages, you are going to see that portrayed a lot of times anyways. Other times, it just involves having the right person say the right things to the right person along the line.Well in general, movies/tvs are not in a good place right now anyways. Especialyl with all the CGI and now AI JEETS we are going to see in meida now, I recomend you avoid it all togeather and keep your eyes closed.Or you could just do what I do, and draw what you want to see/play yourself. As they say, be the change you want to see. That's why I am making my own video game. Since Nintendo niggers wont do it, I'll do it myself and do it better than they ever could.
>>737405037Wrong image, but that one is also probably bigger to scale, unsure where its supposed to depict though. I meant this image.
>>737397184>>737397414You only notice when you notice. Like CGI in movies. Nobody minds unless it sucks and is obviously fake. Same with AI and your tears will not stop progress.
>>737382210>>737380935You use digital shaders and brushes, and all kinds of other computer assisted tools huh
>>737393498Thatd Amaterasu retard
>>737380218They already got busted for using AI art when the remaster came out, so I wouldn't trust them.
You lost antistGo get a real job ;)
>>737404687>>737404927Actually, the Black Marsh might have Mesoamerican inspired architecture in Arena, if stuff like the image here: https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Archon is anything to go byIt looks more Central Mexican to me then the sterotypical stuff ESO goes with, though it's still a stretchBut isn't morrowind tamriel rebuilt a fan project? Are they going with ESO's style of Argonian stuff, or something?>>737405110This one, by Scott and Stuart Gentling depicting the Great Temple and some other structures in the Sacred Precinct, is a lot less oversized. For reference the Great Temple was around 60 meters tall.
>AoMReslopNah.
>>737404554Many fuckin' thanks for the resources, anon.>If you specify what sort of stuff in particular you're looking for it'll be easier for me to give specific suggestions as well.Cultural deep-dives, obscure creatures (the more esoteric they are visually and in function, the better), and information regarding their beliefs of the ocean and other saltwater bodies and what they contained. The idea is to have Mesoamerican orcs, some of which have been changed by the ocean (or what's in the ocean). Generally, more of a "proud people with a darkness within them" kind of thing, versus the typical "berserk rage orc" that you'd usually see.
>>737380764Because it saved them time and money. Of course, the worse scenario and most likely is that they did hire an artist and she was the one that submitted the AI art.
not ai
>>737406653>>737406914>BIG COMPANY SAYS THAT THEY DIDNT USE AI!!!>WHY DONT YOU BELIEVE THEM!?unironically kys
>>737407057>random asshole on the internet says it is>WHY DONT YOU BELIEVE THEM!?Goes both ways, fucko.
>>737407087
>>737407147>don't blindly follow that side>blindly follow my side
https://old.reddit.com/r/AgeofMythology/comments/1sniq1p/proof_its_not_ai_portraits/
>>737381718I want more of thisWhere do I get more
Why do you even care if it's AI?
>>737407273>prompt "do rough sketch">prompt "color"mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmthe mystery deepens
>>737397618lol whatNot him but you must be on multiple layers of cope if your retort of this rape of art is >there's no way ANYONE who dislikes this ever played AoM I played the fuck out of that when I was like 12, used the cheat that gave me tons of earthquakes a lot cause the earthquake graphics were genuinely impressive at the time
>>737380751>implying
>>737381718kys
No one cares except terminally online luddites typing from their magic phones who stole the concept of a portable device from the poor starving artists that made Star Trek. (Is that how the shitty anti-progress argument goes?) Now tell me about banning Waymos too because they will steal the truckers jobs, while they are already factually safer than letting flawed, distracted or drunk humans driver around killing millions a year wordwide.AI is getting so real that you will be able to replicate and make a fake video gen recording of an imaginary artist, with an imaginary 24/7 vlog about his life, drawing a fake sketch second by second. And guess what, nobody sane will fucking care if nobody tells you it's AI. You will get your smart NPC companions and your perfect photorealistic or stylized graphics with DLSS 7 in games and everybody will suck it like a black hole and enjoy limitless entertainment. It will be so addicting and fun, and hopefully much better if it's AI + human, with human curation but with the fast iteration speed of AI. An explosion of creativity. A new renaissance where art is democratized.Anti-AI redditors are insufferable. In 5-10 years they will also be rejecting the "AI slop" pills that will cure many cognitive diseases, or the neuralink for infinite VR waifus. I guess not dying a natural death or dying alone will be seen as bad because it's stealing from... something? Seriously. Go back to make cave paintings with bat shit my dudes. Try painting without photoshop, or doing math without a calculator, or programming without a keyboard.
>>737407790Yeah the base issue with the retold art is that it's dogshit not which tools they did or did not use
>>737407959Its just a tool. What's next? Banning posts that used spell check function?
>>737389041>i can "imagine" a burger and fries and "create" them in front of me with uber eats, why is that different or less qualifying than typing in "burger and fries" to stable diffusion and seeing them appear on my screen?Just ordering it means you are paying a sum and involving God knows how many different companies and personnel to produce that burgers and fries, which will not match your exact mental image. SD can produce it free and in seconds. Granted you cant eat the SD image so just being able to see the thing should be noted in this scenario. But yes I see what you mean.
>>737404917Oh shit, it is her voice actor
I make images with AI and think Retold's portraits are bad. They look old, like they were made with obsolete, 3-year-old tech.
>>737408094catbox?
>>737408094
>>737408287He only made the sketches. Doesn't mean they didn't give them to the AI to finish
>>737406445If you want a cultural deep dive, then there's really nothing better then the Florentine Codex, which is is a 12 volume work with thousands of pages of information on Aztec society, myths, gods, ceremonies, social classes and occupations, customs, and other information, which you can read here: https://florentinecodex.getty.edu/ , be sure to look at both the Spanish and Nahuatl side of each page since sometimes their content differs slightlyThat being said if you want something with a marine/coastal theme, you'd probably be better off primarily taking influence from the Maya (who had a large coastal trading network: https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/12/how-the-ancient-maya-brought-sharks-to-the-jungle/), or the Classic Veracruz, Totonac etc civilizations in what's now Veracruz. Karl Taube has a lot of publications on iconography and visual symbolism of the Maya and other Mesoamerican cultures and many of his publications, even book length ones, are provided online for free, so searching for anything he wrote that touches on water, the ocean etc might be fruitfulThe Aztec were inland in the highlands of Central Mexico... that being said, they actually did still have a lot of symbolism of/with marine goods and animals, a lot of the ritual deposits in the Templo Mayor have things like coral, shells, marine fish etc deposited in them (EX: https://www.mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/artefacts/ofrenda-126-marine-objects), and you can probably dig up scholarly publications on those deposits. I know Arqueologia Mexicana has a few articles and issues on the subject. A potential starting place for you there might be This thesis: https://www.proquest.com/openview/585dca25d537d2c42880ee0ff05370c9/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750 , which is less about those marine deposits and is more about deposits of specific depictions of Tlaloc, the rain god, but I believe some of the Offering/Ofrenda deposits that Tlaloc depictions are in also have marine goodsRan out of space
>>737380764Well...you're framing it as if I go out of the way to look at pictures. It's just an UI element. Like some button in a Blizzard game. If you put it another way...how much thought do you spend looking at Blizzard buttons? (Unless it's from Diablo 1, ofc.) Just staring at Diablo 9's spell casting button. WHY would you ask if a button in Diablo 9 looks "interesting". That's lunacy. The question is, is it non-intrusive. If the button is noticeable, the UI isn't good, right? I didn't think the initial cast of god portraits was noticeably bad or AI. The ambiguousness of it is such that it required a lot of attention from noticer. Now that I think it's gotta be AI-I don't care either. I could keep staring at the gods. It looks cool. So, it turns out it worked well enough. The robot used human art to make the button therefore it's actually human art. Do you dislike human art? Didn't think so. Or, if the problem that it's corporate-there are more pressing matters and it's already a corporate hobby and game that there could be merit to the ponder the question, enough to write this post. In conclusion, it doesn't deserve to be made into a satanic panic. >>737407981>muh artisanal spell checking
>>737409245>>737406445Cont:Well I typed more out but I accidentally closed the tab and lost most of it, but I was essentially just saying that INAH has a few full books published on those marine deposits I mentioned. I'm not gonna dig up all the info again right now but if you DM @Majora__Z on twitter, who made the resource google doc I linked, he might have the time to help you, or you can ask me about it instead if you see me in another thread another dayBroadly speaking though, there were connections between bodies of water and the underworld in Mesoamerican cultures, though typically that's represented through pools of water/basins or mirrors or caves, rather then through the ocean, though you absolutely do see marine deposits still used within that context. Watery creatures like crocodiles, sharks, toads, fish, sawfish etc were also associated with the earth, not just water, lakes, rivers, and the ocean. Lastly, I'd be mindful of avoiding what the image in >>737388498 shows if you're using Orcs. I don't know shit about World of Warcraft or Warhammer or whatever, but I know that Orcs, Trolls etc often get cast as being particularly primitive or savage, and while obviously the Mesoamericans did do things like sacrifices, they were absolutely not "low tech", simple societies: The Spanish compare them to the Greeks, Romans, or Contemporary Spain or even Renaissance Italy in their accounts (see pic). Obviously it's your own fictional shit so you can do whatever, ultimately, but if you were using Orcs with a Mesoamerican theme to try to stress a more primitive/unga bunga vibe, I would reconsider that.
>>737380935They hated him because he told the truth.
I could not care less about AI generated art if it looks good.What annoys me is when people use AI to write youtube scripts and leave in the obvious AI tells.
>>737380534I want to fuck her in the ass, if you know what I mean.
MythBros, how have the post launch civs been funwise?
>>737410120>>737410443what am i even looking for in these?
>>737410571I didn't play Chinks too much but Nips and Aztecs are a lot of fun.
>>737410443Holy shit
>>737380218aomr has used ai assets since day 1. all new art is 3d. the devs suck and ms is entirely incompetent
>>737410120>>737410443Based?
>>737380612Heh, so theyre outsourcing to Liquid Development to produce their artwork. More than likely, Liquid outsourced the job to some jeet, who then used AI to produce the image.
>>737386215I HATE SEMI-TRANSPARENT PANELS I HATE MINIMALISM I HATE EVERY BUTTON BEING GRAY I HATE MODERN UI AAAAAHHHHHHHHH
Was this remaster solid, or am I better off getting the older release on Steam?
>>737411349Like AoE2DE, it's one of the best remasters ever made.
>>737405207was that supposed to be a gotcha? digital art saves time and money as the paper and paint is free, but the creative process remains insourced
>>737410443woah
>>737380726Snake circle was changed because it obviously draws too much attention and breaks the flow of the picture.The eye travels boobs->face->flame sphere->goes back down.
>>737393367Smite, my beloved autism...
>>737380218The entire thing looks like AI but i'm pretty sure the hands are supposed to be there. Yeah it's AI not even going to second guess, it looks like dogshit slop for retards.
>>737380612>>737380726Yeah it's painfully obvious AI. Nice "Sketch" and coloring methods faggot.
>>737380726>concept processsb.b.bbbbut every step must be the same!
>Favor per villager sacrifice drops down to 1.5 after you do it a bunch of timesThey seriously need to raise the floor that this goes down to. Especially considering the Aztec ranged siege unit costs 20 favor to make.
>>737414253Sacrificing gives you permanent passive Favor as well. Otherwise, act like the Norse and fight more.
>>737388498bookmarking this thread for you anongoing to give it a proper read when I am not drunk
>>737380398Makes it even more AI since the hands they drew are grasping while the original arts show hands opened and pointing to opposite sides
>>737393825Holy shit, I never noticed but Trudeau has a massive fucking noseIs he secretly one of god's chosen people?
>>737414723His father is Castro.
>>737380218>>737380467>>737380534>>737380534You have AIDS.
>>737380764That's because you're a homosexual who can only view art as a social exchange because you're lonely and desperate for attentionYou can't actually enjoy anything at all unless it involves someone else, and you really don't belong on 4chan
>>737380764You cannot be an artist until you are civilized. You cannot be civilized until you learn. Learning is perceived to be an obstacle. With AI you can simply go around it.
>>737380764>I just don't see the appeal of consuming AI generated stuffNot every piece needs to be purposeful and conveying a moral message. It is just a hot snake Aztec Goddess, I only need the general form that the image gives me to run with in my head. I'm not looking at AISlop and trying to analyze it like I would Raphael, but that isn't the intended purpose of it either.
>>737382173Post your musclefuta album.
>>737380935>retarded nigger kvetching about muh SOVL
>>737409749Thank you again, anon. I've got to do my wagie duties so I don't have time to look through all of this right now, and this thread will certainly be dead by the time I get off work. But I wanted you to know that your contributions are appreciated. Your notes about making them unga bunga primitives is noted, as well. Take care.
>>737380764Because the image is appealing? The toaster is appealing because of what if offers me. I dont care who made it or the mechanisms of how it works. Thats not the only metric for appeal
>>737409749
>>737380218Ahh, the average pre-columbian mesoamerican woman.
>>737388498I appreciate your knowledgeable post, but also, this is Age of Mythology, which is supposed to be fantastical in appearance.
>>737408287>I sawif i have my eyes closed i won't see bast's original design and several god portraits having too many fingers either
>>737419106AoM is not a true fantasy, though.That's what made it stand out in an era with billions of actual fantasy games. No one talks about the armor of the troops in Battle Realms, Warcraft 3, Battle for Wesnoth, Warlords 4,... AoM does not fit in with them. Their units are (were) genuinely trying to appear historical, the myth units largely drew upon cinema. Whether it was something modern like The Mummy or comparably classic like Argonauts.It's why they do all that additional stuff to set the tune like giving every single unit, historical or mythical, a scientific name and a description straight out of the Discovery Channel.You can best see this with the Atlanteans who are literally made out of whole cloth just for the game and in the spirit of fantasy games could be a faction of dragons or elves or what-not. But their complete OC-Donut steels very clearly pull on Roman gladiator armors rather than doing the fantasy thing and inventing new kit for a new faction they want to be as different as possible within the confines of the game, its feel and aesthetics.
>>737380935>Yeah yeah they like to say it, but a hammer doesn't fly up in the air and build a house and a pencil doesn't magically make a picture. It's a "tool" for the lazy and unimaginitive.if only the anon you replied to had not specified that it's use shouldn't be making the full item by itself...
>>737410443Do this
>>737388498>Mesoamerican history anon hereAlways nice to see your posts anon
>>737380218>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AI IS BAD OK????????? THINK ABOUT THE DEVELOPERS
>>737380534I can see no Turing patterns in any of the noise, she's only slightly floating above the ground, the saturation isn't fucked up, her hair and snakes are sufficiently random, and the positioning of the buildings in the background aren't centered.
