It took me less time to go from first time playing Contra to a deathless clear than it did just to beat the first fucking area (1-1) of Demon's Souls.People love saying the games are easy only AFTER getting hundreds if not thousands of hours of experience with the Souls games and extensively using guides and the most OP cheese builds. I don't think zoomers realize the reputation Demon's Souls had around launch and for even a good decade later. It was the first of its kind and was much more punishing in terms of soul form and invasions. Souls was always seen as a very niche, very difficult, very hardcore game. This was not some casual's viewpoint, even those who were hardcore and underground universally acknowledged it as an extremely difficult and even obtuse game, viewed as far tougher than even old school Nintendo-hard games.Retro games do not hold a fucking candle to Souls, and they fold after just a few hours of practice and you run circles around. Souls has been a cultural phenomenon for 15+ years, people have hundreds if not thousands of hours of experience, and every aspect of the games have been analyzed to find the most optimal and braindead cheese strats for every single thing in the entire game as public knowledge. Only after ALL of that, is it seen as "it's definitely very tough and punishing, but you can overcome it if you stick with it and know what to expect".Part of it is just because the games are so good, they are immersive and engrossing. You want to keep playing them even as you get your shit pounded in. Compare that to Contra where a zoomer plays it for 5 minutes, drops it, and dismisses it as "omg da hardest game evar!!!!"
>>737384679Truthnuke. Also DeS shits on DaS>Entire second half is borderline incomplete, empty, and sterile>Level design in general is just much less consistent with way more annoying "that part"s>some of the worst environments of all the Souls games like Anor Londo, Catacombs, Ash Lake, Great Hollow, Crystal Caves, Valley of Drakes, Lost Izalith>godawful enemies like the bonewheel skeletons, Stray Demons, Anor Londo Archers, Drakes>many bosses are underwhelming or poorly designed, like O&S, Priscilla, Capra, Quelaag, Pinwheel, Seath, Taurus, Ceaseless Discharge, Bed of Chaos>bosses are already starting to focus primarily on action/rolling with less focus on original and puzzle bosses>recycles the same boss three times>Hitboxes and i-frames are more inconsistent>Retarded mechanics like curse and common consumables only sold by select merchants (I played 1.00)>can't fast travel anywhere until over halfway into the game, constantly backtracking and running from one end of the world to the other just to buy an item, go to a covenant, or upgrade equipment>gives lttle reason to engage with enemies, you can just sprint past almost all of them to the next checkpoint (especially since you will have to do this a dozen times anyways while backtracking for vendors/quest NPCs)>many of the key mechanics are poorly explained (lordvessel, upgrading estus, kindling, pardoning)>game world is a convoluted mess with necessary NPCs scattered into the far corners of the world (the interconnected world starts to become more contrived as the game goes on), again requiring a ton of backtracking>dogshit platforming sections>only basically one main path you can take that you find through trial and error and backtracking. Less flexibility in boss order>DeS had focus on invasions, mindgames, and power dynamics, with risk reward for human vs soul form. DaS is about "le honorable duel" with no downside to hollow and you just summon at the boss door; devalues the whole experience
>>737384679I definitely wouldn't say the first area of Demon's Souls is harder than Contra. There's a bit of a learning curve with figuring out basics like how to not get hit, along with more specific things like what damage type an enemy is weak to. It takes longer to figure out generally how to play Demon's Souls than Contra, but you can go into both of them completely blind and still have a harder time with Contra.
>>737386047Contra is pisseasy bro. How long have you played it?
>>737386517The game that lasts about half an hour if you didn't die? Long enough. I wonder if it comes up on any Hardest NES Games lists.
>Excretion analogiesAre you obese?Opinion discarded
>>737384679Uh oh...
>>737384679Because they lookup meme builds from youtubers instead of actually playing the games blind themselves.
Ive never struggled with any of these games, i think people that do have some kind of learning disability. Dark souls was my first in 2013 and I didnt get stuck at any part for more than a couple attempts. I beat O&S on my first attempt, severely dissapointed after the reputation it had from other players.Demons souls took me only 12 hours to beat and I died twice.
>>737384858am I the only one that liked the catacombs? Navigating the dark is something that is basically non-existant in popular games, maybe for that very reason tho kek
>>737384679I would say the early games are fairy easy especially when compared to DS3 and ER with their coked up, combo spamming bosses
>>737384679>Why do people act like Souls games are easy?because they're newfags who never had to figure shit out since they got framedata spoonfed to them by youtubers before they even started playing.
>>737389372>Dark souls was my first in 2013 and I didnt get stuck at any part for more than a couple attempts. I beat O&S on my first attempt, severely dissapointed after the reputation it had from other players.dark souls got nerfed like 2 months after release. sorry you didn't get to play the actual game with that reputation.
>>737389750It depends. In the early games they drop a piano on you and you have to run back for 10 minutes and possibly lose your humanity, DeS cuts you HP for dying etc. So for a first playthrough I find that much more punishing. In Elden Ring you wake up outside the boss room and can keep bashing your head against the wall.
>>737388740Difficulty is relative. Most people claiming "Souls games are easy!" are not thinking about things like Nethack, which can take years upon years of consistent playtime to finish in the easiest way possible. They're thinking about things like Ninja Gaiden, which also sit relatively low on the difficulty totem pole.
>>737384679Souls games are hard in a having good reaction and game sense wise, but have never been a pinnacle of 'technical difficulty' for me. If you want that challenge try Skater XL, a skate sim so in depth it makes EA Skate look like Tony Hawk on baby's first game mode.
>>737391635The patches made it harder.
>>737388740I remember when people pretended dwarf fortress was a hard game, its literally almost impossible to lose if you just train a military or purposely give yourself limitations
>>737392036>They're thinking about things like Ninja Gaiden, which also sit relatively low on the difficulty totem pole.HOLD UP. Flag on the play.Post your MNM clear or fuck off poser
>>737392105Nah, patches massively nerfed curse, increased merchant inventories, buffed soul earnings, and nerfed many bosses.I think just about the only thing nerfed was the dark wood grain ring or whatever it was called
>>737392149You first. Show me your blind ascension.
>>737392149What? Do you even understand what I'm saying?
>>737389372Gamers in general are very low IQ.
>>737384679nah chat this aint it des is piss ez cuh
/v/ is so boring today.
boss fights are like poker. you learn false lessons when you are able to damage the boss but it exposes you to a counter that he sometimes uses, sometimes doesn't because of randomness and inconsistency. eventually you learn there are only a few "safe" moves and the game basically programs you so you can beat the boss.
>>73738937>I played with a walk-through on the other monitor and used the most OP cheese builds, I don't get why it's so hard XDPost clears poser faggot
>>737392879do you take screenshots when you beat a game to show it to all your friends and family?
>>737392392Do you? You claim a game that you haven't cleared and cannot clear is easy.Fuck off poser retard
>>737384679>Why do people act like Souls games are easy?because they are,
>>737392909Do you actually feel proud beating a game where you were babysat by a guide the entire time?
>>737384679I think the Halo games on Legendary was harder than the Souls games for the most part
>>737393008>>737392530>>737392520>>737392036>>737389372>Souls is so easy!! XD >I'm le pro gaymer!!Post 5 games that are harder, at least 3 of which that you have beat yourself.
>>737393105lies of p
>>737393224this was easy as shit. augmenting the weapon allowed me to out-range everything, Lies of P is overrated in general. Lords of the Fallen 2 was better
You can tell who is a zoomer who started Souls way after its peak when they call it easy. Literally no one pre-2016 called it easy, even the most hardcore of gamers, it was widely recognized as one of the hardest games of all time, with only the absolute most cruel and ball-bustingly difficult games harder than it.
>>737393332dogshit taste
>>737393339nah im a boomer and i died more in games labeled casual like call of duty 5, god of war 3 on hard modes or even doing challenges in the arkham games, funny how playing casual normie games on hard difficulties is harder than le sadistic kaizo souls for le true weeb gamer grr prepare to le die
>>737384679>Why do people act like Souls games are easy?The one in your pic sure as fuck is.
>>737384679Souls games aren't difficult, they just have a moderate learning curve and once you adjust to all the delayed and clunky controls you steam roll the game.
>>737392976Well what the fuck does MNM clear mean? Deathless run? Pacifist run? I don't know your autistic speedrun lingo.
>>737393893I assumed you were talking about the 3D games.The 2D games are much easier unless going for deathless or no magic and even then still easier
>>737392976I said it lives low on the difficulty totem pole, which it does. Why does this make you angry? Feel free to make the case for why it should live among games with a mountain of diverse instantaneous failure states which are not telegraphed at all and set you back 80 hours at their worst. I've never played a Team Ninja game in my life, but you're out of your mind if you think a console action game would ever be able to get away with extreme artificial difficulty. On that principle alone, yes it lives low on the difficulty totem pole. You can cope and seethe about it all you want.
>>737393828>they aren't a hard game>just spend hundreds of hours learning and mastering the game and then it's easy>I'm also incapable of naming a harder gameFucking retarded ass zoomer trying to larp as an oldfag
>>737394021>hundreds of hourshahahahahahahahahahaahahaprojecting your own shit skills at games on others
>>737394127>>737393828>>737393785>>737393515If you think Souls is so fucking easy, then NAME. HARDER. GAMES.
>>737384679they aren't hard at all.maybe us zoomers growing up with fully 3d games gave us an advantage over you who grew up with sidescrollers... either way i died like a dozen times throughout demons souls -> elden ring combined (unless i count the 30 or so deaths trying to kill that tutorial boss you're supposed to die to in er).
>>737394001>games with a mountain of diverse instantaneous failure states which are not telegraphed at all and set you back 80 hours at their worst.Meanwhile zero examples given and zero clears Kys poser faggot
>>737394237So it is a reading problem. Got it.
>>737389750Early games the bosses are easy, later games the bosses are harder but you have more bullshit you can use on your side to win as well.
>>737394167just pick any random game on the nes or mega drive
>have issue with boss in dark souls>grind 10-15 levels higher>put into whatever my damage stat is>now the boss is easyWAOW
>>737394207>i died like a dozen times throughout demons souls -> elden ring combinedLMAOEither you played with co-op mod, abused mods/glitches to overlevel, or played with the wikia and a walk-through on your other monitor or you are 100% full of shit.Name a fucking game harder than Souls if it's so easy.Post your fucking clears poser faggot.Anyone that's good enough to average only TWO fucking deaths per Souls game the first time playing blind is literally one in a billion skill level god gamer who can clear the hardest games in existence deathless in just a few days. You are so full of shit it's unreal.
>>737389750Elden Ring isn't a souls game.
>>737384679First time i played dark souls 1 it was the hardest shit ive ever played and rage quited on O&S but i was a retarded 13 yo at that time, the learning cuve is there and if you start with ds1 or demons it is indeed very hard and not fair to the player but once you get past the frustating part and just get used to losing your exp for knowledge it gets gradually easier to the point its a baby game.
halo 2 LASO is probably the most bullshit hard game i ever beat. there's even some luck involved in certain parts so you don't get instakilled straight out of a cutscene. smt 3 hard was similarly aids that you could just die to ambush before you even got to act but you could just grind to op after that initial bump.
>>737394340MAKE IT MORE FUCKING OBVIOUS YOU DON'T PLAY THEM RETARD, I DOVAST MAJORITY OF NES AND GENESIS GAMES YOU CAN BEAT FIRST TIME BLIND WITHOUT A GUIDE ON ORIGINAL HARDWARE IN A FUCKING WEEKEND, MOST OF THE TIME IN A SINGLE DAY.God, I swear you fucking zoomers are so full of shit and just spew lies like it's nothing. You play Contra for five minutes, ragequit, and act like it's the hardest game ever. Fucking braindead mong.
>>737394494Anon discovers what learning is.Now here's the kicker anon, you can do challenge runs to make the game difficult again.Deathless SL1 is the holy grail. Think you can manage?
>>737394569get a load of this sperglord
>>737394167This game:I'm thinking of a number between 1 and the 10000th prime. You get one chance to guess it.
>>737394494>the literal hardest game in existence is a baby game once you have 500 hours of experience???????????WHAT IS THIS SHIT I AM READING? HOW IS THE HARDEST GAME EVER A BABY GAME WHEN NO ONE IN THIS THREAD CAN NAME EVEN A SINGLE HARDER GAME
Id say doom eternal max difficulty is harder than dark souls.
>>737394696see: >>737394674Play it if you dare....
>>737394727The permadeath meme mode? No shit, Souls permadeath would be harder regardless
titty streamer women can literally 0 death souls games using DDR dance pads instead of controllers. why are we pretending it's hard to play normally?maybe anon has 0 rhythm.
>>737394696>>737394572You dont need 500h of experience if dark souls had a basic ass tutorial it would already be piss easy its basic concepts that you only learn throught brute force because the game dont tell you shit
>>737394772>if dark souls had a basic ass tutorialit's one of the best tutorialized games of all timeare you sure you're not thinking of another game?
>>737394765Not even permadeath, just the highest difficulty. Souls you can just grind and overlevel. Cant do that with doom.
>>737384679>AFTER getting hundreds if not thousands of hours of experienceI didn't learn the soul suck memes until I started posting in ye olde dark souls general threads on /v/.If you use a shield you were already good enough to no sell 3/4ths DeS
>>737394768Well yes, it's obviously a bait thread. The worn out subject matter & caps lock spam are dead giveaways.
Compared to retro games, Souls games are much more expansive, deeper, longer, more punishing, require a ton of in-depth knowledge on complex enemy and boss movesets and behavior as well as mechanics and systems, and a very high execution skill. Compare that to your average retro game where just knowing a few very basic tips/strategies and you can beat most of them blind in a single day on original hardware.
>>737394504LASO is basically an extra challenge run though. I feel like if you consider that for difficulty, then you'd have to at least compare it to a level 1 run in the Souls games.
>>737394765souls has permadeath, kind of. you get a sick ring for clearing dark souls 2 on your first life.
>>737395003what a dogshit game
>>737394976but it's an officially recognized playlist mode with it's own achievements/trophies.from has never even acknowledged SL1.
>>737394808Im brazilian i didnt know english when i was 13 so i ignored all the messages on the floor
>>737395075miyazaki beats all the games SL1 deathless on his first playthrough
>>737394813I used the dragon head souls glitch back in the day and it was still the hardest game I've ever played just to beat, and I've beat 1000+ games including dozens of very difficult arcade no death clears
>>737395103isn't it localized to pt?
>>737395107Sl1 is piss easy i want to see you beating the game with +0 weapons thats the real shit
>>737395169SL1 deathless blind is piss easy?may i see it?
>>737395157Not the prepare to die just the demaster
>>737384679>It took me less time to go from first time playing Contra to a deathless clearContra is a 15 minute long game that's easy for half its playtime, I have no idea how it got memed into being considered one of the hardest things ever. Demon's Souls is also super easy, I played it for the first time a year ago and I died 9 times total throughout the entire game, and 8 of those deaths were from falling off of ledges.
>>737395204Ok erase my memorie so i can play it blind again i would pay any price
>>737395265>I played it for the first time a year agoAnd directly into the trash your opinion goes zoomer shitstain>dood the game is so easy when I have thousands of hours in later Souls games, every bit of the game has been found and analyzed, every OP build is known, every boss strat is known, and there is no invasions to worry aboutKys
>>737395107iirc miyazaki admitted he beat elden ring with mimic tear, npc helpers, and player summons throughout, and that he's the reason his games include so many crutches.
>>737395075That wasn't really until MCC though, right?
*Rolls into the thread*Well that's-*rolls past fanboy posts*because it's-*rolls past shitposts*easy, nigger
>>737384679Souls requires reflexes, strategy and tactics not just reflexes. Any enemy can kill you no matter how good you are if you use the wrong tactics.
>>737395363Why does he insist on the poison areas?
>>737395229fair enough
>>737395394reach was the first console game to recognize the challenge in-game, but playlists came with mcc yeah.
>>737395581they're fun>>737395461then how come there are people who beat the game at sl1 nake with their bare fists without even dodging or sprinting?
>>737395154>max level 99 in all stats>still having issuesThat might be a skill issue on your part since the recomended stopping point for almost every souls game is like 10% of that.
reminder that some dude literally beat souls 1, 2, bloodborne, sekiro, 3 all SL1 back to back in 1 sitting without even being hit a single time (not 0 deaths, 0 hits taken!)
>>737395860Well i played ds1,2,3 and elden ring with shield and rapier so it couldnt be me
>>737395860not elden ring?
most people just cheat, unfortunate truth
>>737395763every stat at 10? wretch bros we're so back!
The only game I can think of that is harder to beat the hardest difficulty setting (excluding whole game single life permadeath meme modes) is MNM in NG and NG2. If you consider 1CCs there is some more (pretty much all shmups though). Yeah there really isn't much that is harder than Souls without adding qualifiers like deathless or restricted runs.
idk i think souls games are pretty easy pre-ER because the animations are so beautifully done, and attacks so well telegraphed (before the waiting & baiting was tuned up to 11 in ER) that i could face a boss blind and dodge everything just by looking at intently.meanwhile a game like hollow knight i literally can't even finish some of the final pantheon fights even though most people think those 2d games are easier, they're 100x harder for me to read boss intentions in and just become a muscle memory game.
>>737394167Without including any Soulslikes and sticking to somewhat popular shit a lot of people here would've at least heard heard of:Literally every Halo game on Legendary, especially 2.Every Gears of War on Insanity.Both TLOU games on Grounded.ME2 on Insanity.Probably most CoDs on Veteran.Any God of War game on the highest difficulty besides the PSP ones.Any Ninja Gaiden game on any difficulty above normal.Crash Bandicoot 4.Jak 2.Cuphead.Ghostrunner.XCOM.Sifu.Vanquish on God Hard.
>>737395860After 20,000+ hours of experience and a collaborative effort between all the best players in the world over the span of over a decade to find the easiest and most consistent strats, and even then only a handful of players out of the tens of millions are capable of coming even close to achieving that.Yeah bro, you showed us. The average hidden gem doesn't get even 1/10,000th the attention that the Souls games get.
>>737384679they are easiest pieces of shit in existence you retard. they have some of highest platinum rates of any games, including walking simulators and press x to complete games like god of war, asscreeds or even telltale games.
>>737395993the stream pre-dates elden ring.
>>737396079You really think H2 or Reach legendary is easier than a normal DS3 run?
>>737396168>Literally every Halo game on Legendary, especially 2.No, unless you mean LASO>Every Gears of War on Insanity.No, although I've only done the first game>Both TLOU games on Grounded.They're a bit tough, but no>ME2 on Insanity.Fuck no, that's not even hard>Probably most CoDs on Veteran.No, hardest ones are CoD1 and WaW and those still aren't even close>Any God of War game on the highest difficulty besides the PSP ones.No unless going for NUR>Any Ninja Gaiden game on any difficulty above normal.Correct, but only MNM. Even VH is easier.>Crash Bandicoot 4.No, maybe going for all the trophies/achievements but not just beating it. >Jak 2.Fuck no, is this a joke?>Cuphead.No, not even Expert S-ranks (although that is pretty tough)>Ghostrunner.Never played it but I highly doubt it>XCOM.Maybe Impossible Ironman, but that's a turn-based game, not really a valid comparison.>Sifu.No absolutely not, even before all the difficulty nerfs>Vanquish on God Hard.No, not Tactical Challenge 6 either
>>737395345Not him but I played DeS for the first time last year and the only difficult part was Maneaters, mostly because I kept falling of the ledge because of bad controls and camera if I remember rightMy only experience playing Souls was Dark Souls 15 years ago and my build was basic knight with sword and shield. It's an easy ass game no matter how you look at itAlso saying NES games are easier because they take less time to beat is retarded considering most of them are 30 minutes long
>>737384679I've steamrolled Demon's Souls a million times but I've never had the patience to get through Contra or Super C despite loving the sidescrolling levels because the non-sidescrolling levels are AIDS
>>737396319God of War 1 is literally one of the hardest console games ever made. You are delusional.
>>737384858>puzzle bossesAnyone that likes puzzle bosses hates video games.
>>737394167Off the top of my head>any ninja gaiden on master ninja>the evil within on akumu>metal gear solid 2 on european extreme>
>>737396450Never said it was easy, but it's certainly not one of the hardest console games ever made, unless you mean something like No-Upgrade-Run on max difficulty. Certainly easier than Souls in terms of just beating it, even on max difficulty. >>737396378That's a load of bullshit, just say you don't like them. They are very short and very easy to learn and master. Also the non side-scroller levels in Contra and Super C are fucking great, especially the Super C top-down levels. Make sure you never play Contra 3, those top-down levels are baaaad, but it's also a really weak entry just in general.
>>737392105Pre-patch Lost Izalith dragons
>>737395661Speed runners and autists are their own thing. Of all the millions of players there’s probably only a few thousand doing that stuff
>>737396476>any ninja gaiden on master ninjaAlready said this>the evil within on akumuNo, definitely miles harder than casual babyshit like RE4 though. Still not harder than Souls. >metal gear solid 2 on european extremeNever attempted it, but MGS gives you so many tools to succeed, I highly doubt it.
>>737396679GoW 1 is easier than most Souls games but certainly not on max difficulty. Elden Ring for example would be easier
>>737396319>Demon's SoulsCan be beaten by geriatric 90 year old man>Dark SoulsSame as Demon's Souls.>Dark Souls 2Same as Demon's Souls but you'll die a few times to ganks and other bullshit.>Dark Souls 3Spamming the roll almost gives you god mode, and it's super easy to just stat your way through bosses anyway.>BloodborneEasy as shit besides a few bosses in the DLC and Chalice dungeons.>SekiroSuper lenient timing on the parry, which is literally the only mechanic you need to learn to beat the game. DSP beat Sword Saint Ishin in 3 tries.>Elden RingCan be trivialized so hard in a 100 different ways you barely have to pay attention to the screen to beat the game. Half the e-girls on Twitch have done dance pad playthroughs of the game at this point, it's not hard.
>>737396757Still not easier than any game on that list. You can call Souls easy, but it's only after hundreds of hours of experience that you say that. >>737396747I'm talking about max difficulty, Souls is way harder. No way God of War takes the average player 75 hours to beat on the hardest difficulty.
>>737396738Can you show me what's the difficult part of the fight against this end game DLC boss from Dark Souls 1?
>>737396854Can you show me what's the difficult part of this infamous hallway and fight against Death from Castlevania 1?
>>737384679your first one will be really hard. my first was bloodborne and just trying to get through central yharnam with that giant horde of enemies and the cleaver miniboss nearly gave me an aneurysm for the first couple of hours. but then i first tried nearly every boss and went on to the other games and they were easy too. only fromsoft game to give me any trouble was elden ring. sekiro was a bit difficult too but it was only a couple stand out bosses that folded my shit
>>737389462I like the catacombs too, it's creepy and keeps you on your toes the fact that you can memo the area kinda kills that effect tho, it should have been randomized
>>737396757>Half the e-girls on Twitch have done dance pad playthroughs of the game at this point, it's not hard.this is honestly the hardest blow against the souls being hardcore myth. the amount of titty foid streamers beating them with silly gimmick controller replacements.
>>737396848It takes longer to beat Elden Ring because it has much more content, not because the game is inherently more difficult. If you're talking raw difficulty then GoW is way more difficult and taxing at max difficulty than Elden Ring.
>>737396738>Still not harder than Souls.You get killed if anything so much as scratches you>gives you so many tools to succeedFor the games games yeah but not this one
>>737396937No, and I never brought it up to begin with. Retro shit is massively overrated in difficulty, mostly because it usually made you restart the game from the beginning if you ran out of lives and people just got tired of replaying the first 5 minutes after a few times. My entire list is games that came out way after that.
Soulsfags have to delude themselves into thinking their game is hard beyond having shit mechanics
>>737397096Length IS a major part of that difficulty, something like God of War but 20x longer would absolutely be a significantly more difficult game. God of War is a much shorter game and much easier to learn as a result. It doesn't take more than like 10-15 hours to beat max difficulty.
>>737397164Post clears poser faggot.>My entire list is games that came out way after that.And only one game on that list was harder than Souls and it was a fucking turn-based strategy game lmao
>>737397315By your logic AssCreed Valhalla is one of the hardest games ever since it's even longer.
>>737397428The difference is Souls games can be beat in just an hour or two glitchless and it's entirely game knowledge and execution whereas your average shitty turn-based jarpig or bloated Ubislop garbage for retards is bloated as all hell, full of braindead tedious farming of trashmobs, watching cutscenes, reading dialogue, and walking around towns. The time you are actively challenged and playing is extremely low compared to Souls.
>>737384679Because they are easy. Arcade games being even more piss easy doesn't make Souls games any more difficult.
>>737397426Now post your clears of any of the games I mentioned.
>>737397526Noooo bro it doesn’t count because ‘she’ didn’t play in a way I like
>>737397518Name what games are harder than Souls, I'll wait poser faggot.
>>737397648Roguelikes.
>>737397526I've beat Halo 1-3 on Legendary, Gears 1 on Legendary, both TLoU games on Grounded (no permadeath shit), ME1-3 on Insanity (or w/e the hardest mode is called), all the CoD games pre BO3 on Veteran except for CoD3, God of War 1-3 100% and hardest modes, NG2 on MNM (got burned out on NGB after VH), Crash Bandicoot 1-3 PS1 100% + N.Sane all gold relics in all games, Jak II (just beat it, it's not a hard game, not sure why it's there), Cuphead Expert all S-ranks, XCOM C/I, Sifu (again, not sure why it's there), and Vanquish Godhard+TC6
>>737397648Visual novels.
>>737397782Dark Souls 1 was my first souls game and the only boss that gave me trouble was Capra Demon because I was using a slow weapon and I didn't know what poise was. I've beaten both versions of DS2 and the only boss that gave me any trouble was Smelter Demon on my first playthrough because I did no damage to him. I've beaten DS3 several times and the only time I had any difficulty was when I did an NG+ base vitality playthrough and I was getting one shot by just about everything. I already said I beat DeS on my first playthrough with only 1 single death to actual enemies. I died a combined total of 8 times to every boss in Bloodborne on my first playthrough. I beat Sekiro in less than a week when it came out and it only took me 5 tries to beat Sword Saint Ishin., the only boss in the game that killed me a double digit number of times was Demon of Hatred. I 100% cleared Elden Ring in 75 hours and died about 60 times in the process. These games aren't that hard.
>>737398148LMAOEither you played with co-op mod, abused mods/glitches to overlevel, or played with the wikia and a walk-through on your other monitor or you are 100% full of shit.Name a fucking game harder than Souls if it's so easy.Post your fucking clears poser faggot.Anyone that's good enough to average only a few fucking deaths per Souls game the first time playing blind is literally one in a billion skill level god gamer who can clear the hardest games in existence deathless in just a few days. You are so full of shit it's unreal.
>>737384679>It took me less time to go from first time playing Contra to a deathless clear than it did just to beat the first fucking area (1-1) of Demon's Souls.I don't know what kind of autism you have. Whatever it is, I don't have it. However, Souls games were never easy. If you've done a lot of Elden Ring or have played them for 15 years, it's easy to go back to the slower pace and more reasonable damage scaling and see it as "easy." However, for its time, there was never a popular game like Demon's Souls. It went a long way to standardized ballcrushing at the ballcrushing factory by punishing players who had gotten used to fast paced video games by making them be slow and attentive, even players who played a lot of high difficulty games like NG. It's nowhere near as hard as Nioh or Elden Ring, but it was once the standard. It's also my favorite game of all time so everything I say is probably bullshit.
>>737397648Any shmup.
>>737398239>you need to be a one in a billion skill level god gamer to beat this
>>737398837Make it more obvious you have zero shmup clears shitter.
>>737384679Exaggerating in the opposite direction doesn't help the situation you know.
>>737398905Shmups are harder than Souls.>NOOOOOO IT DOESN'T COUNTCope.
>>737399118You haven't cleared a single shmup in your life, shitter.
>>737399187i sure as fuck havent and that's why i think shmups are harder than souls. except for ikaruga, ive beaten that because you have unlimited lives.
>>737397648silksong is harder than any fromsoft game except maybe sekiro
The only people who claim Souls games are hard are retards who handicap themselves by not using summons or magic because they think it's "cheating". Seriously 99% of Elden Ring bosses are a fucking cakewalk where you just use ashes and stagger them to death
>>737393332>Lords of the Fallen 2 was betterAbysmal taste
>>737399302>this genre I've put zero effort towards and haven't played at all is harder than the series I have 1000+ hours of experience inHoly fucking poser retard
>>737399306It's really not at all.
This is complete bullshit, souls games are piss easy compared to some c64-snes timeframe games. I am 48 so i grew up on this shit and it was not only more difficult but also way more punishing because you had to restart ever time you fucked up. I can see Sekiro or Nioh being harshly difficult but not souls.
>>737400145Another faggot retard poser with no clears who can't name a single gameAlso, Nioh and Sekiro are both easier than Souls.
>>737400145>Souls not hard because it's popular now>Nioh and Sekiro hard because they are slightly more nicheYou're so fucking contrarian and retarded it hurts. Eat shit and die
someone post the webm of that guy facetanking the artorias fightor the guy facetanking radahn 2or the guy using azur comet on godrick and melting himor the guy staggering malenia non stop
You can clearly see that after 100+ replies of anon naming game series that are on average harder than the entirety of From's catalogues, the retard OP is just baiting for replies and can't even explain why Souls games are harder. For fuck sake, the retard can't even show proof that he played other games on hard difficulty and is just googling forum post or basic info to justify his retarded as hell toddler level opinion.>hurr durr yeah I've played Shmups on the...umm..*googles gay nigger porn*...on the hardest difficulty called "suck my bullets" and it ain't that hard.>meanwhile muh dork soul playthrough of playing with a dragon dildo while SL1 is much harderRetard has yet to realize that your average RTS on the hardest difficulty is the epitome of hard.
>>737400343why did sekiro seem harder to me then? I grinded through dark souls 1 and demons without that much discouragement, solo using a suboptimal build, but I tapped out at lady butterfly in sekiro. obviously I put in a shameful effort but learning the patterns for sekiro felt like more work than I had ever encountered in souls.
>>737400686I've cleared more shmups than every person ITT combined AND my clear videos are public
>>737384679Because there have been many Souls games since DeSu. A lot of people are already conditioned to how everything works. That's why they have to pull so much bullshit in the recent games.
>>737400686to be frank in most serious difficulty discussions hard is irrelevent. it's either a 1cc or second loop 1cc if you're a super player, or some kind of S rank in character action.
>>737400686I've beat almost every game mentioned ITT on max difficulty and the only one that is harder to beat (ignoring whole game permadeath meme shit) than Souls is NGB/NG2 MNM
>>737400820so people in this thread that have beaten souls climbed the mountain of difficulty? were all confirmed gamer gods just by doing basic bitch playthroughs of souls.
>>737400820maybe you just have a specific retardation
>>737400934I've beat almost every game mentioned ITT on max difficulty and almost all of them are harder than every Fromsoft game.
>>737400957I never said that, just that all the hardest feats are deathless, speedruns, score runs, restricted meme runs, etc.Merely beating a game, even on highest difficulty, is rarely that difficult, and Souls is harder than almost every game out there when it comes to merely beating it, with only a handful of exceptions.In 2011, this would not have been a remotely controversial statement. Even in 2018, this would not have been controversial statement.Only RECENTLY have zoomer shitstains, with their wikia and guide video binkies in, tried to claim Souls is easier after they've put hundreds of hours into learning and mastering the games. Funny how that works.
I've beaten dark souls. it was tough I guess but it really didn't seem harder than something like ninja gaiden II or castlevania III in my memory. I just grinded runbacks until I beat the boss after a few tries, fairly reliable progress.
>>737400686youtube.com/@formlessxOut of all my clears here (which is not even close to everything, just select retro/arcade clears in the past year or so), only a few are harder than any of the Souls games, I'll let you figure out which ones.
>>737401094very few people in this thread you're actually arguing with hold that opinion. they view darksouls as a fairly difficult but conventional game, in the realm of something like castlevania that you can reliably grind out without too much punishment.
>>737401260Castlevania is miles easier than Souls. It's like 20 minutes long and entirely static and braindead. In a day or two you can basically master the game. It takes longer to master a single area in SoulsAgain, you lack experience and context as you have no clears so you just blurt out garbage
Demons is the easiest Souls game. Even Dark Souls 2 has tougher bosses. So many of them are gimmick fights.
>>737401471I cleared castlevania 3 and can directly compare it to my clears of the main souls games. my impression was that they never really discouraged me in a way that I couldn't beat whatever I was stuck on after a few attempts, souls was just longer, more slowly paced.
>>737401707Souls games are actually good and make you want to keep playing, so people overlook how difficult they really are as they enjoy the learning process. People usually only think games as hard when they don't actually enjoy them and drop them because the games (and their difficulty) are unfun
>>737401802I think pacing is an inherent factor. going through a souls runback is a more gradually paced experience than what you would have to endure in something like a restart in final fight, total time *might* be similar but the effort you have to expend and the tension you have to endure is in a different category.
OP forgets that souls games being RPGs allows /v/ niggers to be overleveled as fuck and basically get maxed weapon drops from friends right from the get go and also follow guides on boss weakness and shortcut.t. have like 50 friends from /v/ that I knew back when DeS released and they all were cheesing the game
>>737402205Because Souls runbacks are the easiest part retard, the difficulty is initially exploring an area and fighting the boss. The runback is after you've learned the entire area and are just running to the boss. Most runbacks are still way harder than runbacks in games with limited continues. You can practically do early Contra or Castlevania in your sleep while one mistake in a runback can mean instant death
>>737401215No Halo?
>>737396854>got hitYou didn't beat the boss.
>>737398869Try that while actually locking on to the enemy. They will matrix spin to keep up with you.
>>737393515Guaranteed you read advice then. The game had a learning curve and you would be dying to ambush set ups in the game unless you had a heads up. Just part of the process back then. Acting like it never happened to you is the biggest sign you are a fake.
>>737398148Sounds like you outed yourself as a fast speed achievement hunter who defiently reads and watches up on games before your attempts. None of your accomplishments count fake lol
millenial boomers grew up being utterly terrible at games and being coddled for itits just a fact that zoomers are simply better at games
>>737399187Nigger even relatively easy shit like zeroranger is harder than any souls game. I don't know what the fuck you're on.
>>737389351If your game can be solved with a built. Your game is just easy to begin with
>>737384679i grew up playing monster hunter i dont find souls games hard i find fps way much harder
>>737405875i also find moba games harder
>>737405536I have the 2all in Zeroranger, nowhere near close to as hard as Souls, faggot
>>737384679I can't even get halfway through Contra with 30 lives, but I've beaten all the souls games multiple times.They aren't easy, but they certainly aren't hard, especially nowhere near as hard as old games like Contra or Ghosts 'n Goblins.If you're struggling in a Souls game, you can just grind past it, because they are all RPGs.
>>737406180Try playing Contra for more than 10 minutes you colossal fucking retard.
>>737393105Devil May CryDevil May Cry 3Ghouls 'n GhostsSuper Ghouls 'n GhostsCastlevania Rondo of BloodMegaman Zero 2Megaman Zero 3Megaman ZX AdventMegaman 9Megaman Dr. Wily's RevengeMegaman IIIMegaman IVCuphead
>>737406450I've played it for like an hour. Too hard, not really fun to play.
>>737406090Yeah retard me too and you have to be absolutely retarded to find souls games, which are filled with checkpoints, encounters you can avoid, RPG mechanics to work around every problem and free i-frames to be more than just mildly difficult.>but muh 1000 hours of experienceI played DeS, DS1 and DS2 for the first time last year completely blind. Cope.
>>737393105NoitaIWBTGCelesteOsuCastlevaniaAnd let's be honest, online competitive games are really hard if you aim for high ranks. I don't play ASSFAGGOTS, but even I can admit how much of a no life loser you must be to reach diamond in LoL or DotA. And let's not talk about RTS games like SC2 or Warcraft.
If you played one you played them all.
>>737407029>a roguelike>a memegame>a troon game>a rhythm game>random Castlevania (that you've never played)Also none of those games are even harder without a ton of qualifiers. Noita is easy as fuck to merely beatIWBTG is difficult but there are constant checkpoints and infinite continues so it's basically just trial and error memorizationCeleste is only difficult if you include B-sides/C-sides strawberries, and merely beating it isn't all that difficultOsu is a high score game not even really comparable to a singleplayer story action RPG, no idea why that's thereCastlevania? What? 1? Have you played any of them? You thought this was the ultimate trump card? No, it's a 15 minute game and you can learn it to a deathless run in a couple days, game is pisseasy. Even CV3 has infinite continues and is miles easier than SoulsTry again poser faggot, you are just naming games you think are hardcore.
>>737407095There's some small nuanced difference but I wouldn't want to crack that nut right here and now.
>>737407907>IWBTG is difficult but there are constant checkpoints and infinite continues so it's basically just trial and error memorizationanon...
>>737406575>Devil May CryNope, not even DMD, only special bonus>Devil May Cry 3Nope, not even DMD, only SS-ranks>Ghouls 'n GhostsNope, not even 2all no miss>Super Ghouls 'n GhostsNope, not even 2all no miss>Castlevania Rondo of BloodNope, not even no-miss (also arguably the easiest CV game aside from 1)>Megaman Zero 2Nope, not even harder than Zero 1, and Elves trivialize any challenge that could exist>Megaman Zero 3Nope, not even harder than Zero 2, and Elves trivialize any challenge that could exist>Megaman ZX AdventNever played it but pretty sure it's even easier than the Zero games>Megaman 9Nope, not even for a deathless run, although I haven't played it since it came out>Megaman Dr. Wily's RevengeThe fucking Gameboy game? No, all of those are easy as hell>Megaman IIINot even one of the harder games, hell no. Wily's Castle is a pushover, the only hard stages are the remixed ones and those aren't really that hard. Plus E-tanks trivialize any challenge>Megaman IVThe best Mega Man game, but definitely not hard. Plus E-tanks trivialize any challenge.>CupheadNot even for Expert S-ranksI've beat basically everything on this list, nothing comes close to Souls difficulty for merely beating
>>737407095Finally, someone has the sack to say it.
>>737407907>Try again poser faggot, you are just naming games you think are hardcore.I played and beat all of them (except for Osu of course, which I reached a decent level)All those games were harder than souls games for me, by a significant amount. You can try pretend they aren't hard, but that's not really the question.
>>737406575>the near hardest game in existence that was infamous for being ball-bustingly brutally difficult and extremely unforgiving for well over a decade, even to the most hardcore and old-school of players raised on Nintendo-Hard games, that took years of a massive and extensive community effort to document mechanics, systems, strategies, walk-throughs, and OP builds to finally crack, and that requires hundreds of hours to learn and mastervs.>babby's first 2D game that you can casually beat in a weekend with little effortWords cannot express how much I hate you larping zoomers
>It took me less time to go from first time playing Contra to a deathless clear than it did just to beat the first fucking area (1-1) of Demon's Souls.Motor skills issue.
zoomers are alright
Demon's Souls is the second easiest souls game with Dark Souls 2 being the easiest one
>>737402251I played as a shitty incompetently leveled wanderer decked out in the fluted armor, and I beat the game. it was 'hard' but the game never really pushed me to a point where I felt I hit a brick wall, needed to majorly up my game or my build in order to progress. the only point where I had a sinking feeling in my stomach where I felt like I was getting filtered and wasn't on track to succeed was the two monks fight and I eventually got through it. flamelurker was tough but very much still in the 'ok I need to strap in to learn these patterns and I'll get it one of these attempts' mode. there's just no comparison between souls and the pit I'd get in my stomach floundering in the second half of an arcade game.
>>737408837Nigga vast majority of arcade games have unlimited continues, easy as fuck to learn and most 1CCs are pisseasy compared to Souls.You play Souls for 75 hours, you play an arcade game for not even 75 minutes and think they are comparable, fucking retard
They all use guides. They CHEAT. Watching a streamer playing the game before playing is CHEATING. Searching about "BUILDS" is CHEATING. The average /v/tards uses wikis for everthing.
>>737397782Have you tried gears 5 on the hardest difficulty? I couldn’t get past the first level
>>737409060>>737405751
>>737384679Never beaten Contra without the Konami code but I have beat Elden Ring RL1, honestly just sounds like you're old and bad at 3D games.
>>737408741yeah DS2 is piss eas- HEY STOP GANKING ME! THIS IS SO UNFAIR WHY ARE YOU GUYS KEEPING YOUR AGGRO??? DS1 WAS NOT LIKE TH- REEEEEEEEEE THEY KILLED ME AT THE FOG GATE
>>737384679I can imagine a roll only run of demon souls being kind of hard, but if you let yourself use a shield sometimes it's definitely the easiest of the games. Old King Alant surprised me, though. Amazing fight and pretty complex even when compared to dark souls bosses
>>737409250Your opinion makes no sense.What happens is literally "here is everything that will make your game way easier, and you don't have to figure it out by yourself." "this is how you unlock easy mode"
>>737409475This happens a lot with redditors and dorks too. I've met very few dudes intelligent enough to figure out stuff alone by logic back in 2009 in Demon's Souls. Now I have to hear stupid shit like "Demon's Souls is easy!!!"
>>737409475There are a bunch of video games that are still hard even if you read thousands of pages on the wiki and watch guides
>>737409579and dark souls isn't one of them. what's your point? it's okay to cheat because there's different kinds of games?
Everyone ITT looks retarded. Souls games are harder than your average modern game because they don't have difficulty selection and the base difficulty is somewhat high.That being said most if not all games with difficulty selection will be harder to beat than any Souls games if played on the hardest difficulty.Other thing to take into consideration is that Souls games are RPGs with leveling mechanics, on a standard playthrough a player will not over level the game by much but anyone can grind for levels and make the game way easier.And I'm not even gonna mention the innumerous things that can completely trivialize the games like overpowered builds, cheese strategies, summoning other players to beat the boss for you etc
>>737384679>It took me less time to go from first time playing Contra to a deathless clear than it did just to beat the first fucking area (1-1) of Demon's Souls.unc is a fucking casual, git gud
>>737409653>on a standard playthrough a player will not over level the game by much but anyone can grind for levels and make the game way easier.and in dark souls' case it's exacerbated by the combination of having a reputation of being hard and the game being made easier in later patches which increased the rate of souls gained from enemies. the average player actually over levels with just normal play in any modern version of dark souls. and then they say shit like "huh this game is easy as fuck! boomers thought this was hard!"
If every enemy had infinite poise and you had to restart the entire game after 3 deaths souls games would probably be as hard as 16 bit platformers, but the NES library is still in another league entirely
>>737409786And going even further, we're at the point where a lot of games are just faster and more hectic in general. Dark Souls 1 was popular, because at the time, it was a hard game in comparison to everything else released. It was often compared to Skyrim, funnily enough. We can talk shit about Fortnite, but that spastic reaction of building a hundred platforms underneath and climbing up, all that shit, is the norm to people and has been for quite some time. PvP in general is just faster.
>>737409636You agree that all those people who clear the game feel the game is easy because they use guides, yet you deny that dark souls becomes easier even if you use guides. You have the same logic as those people who don’t have a title in your name
>>737384679Nu from games like dark souls 3, sekiro and elden ring had stupidly hard boss fights because muh souls are le hard meme. In my opinion this made people way too good in this kind of games. That's why demon's and dark souls 1 looks and feels so easy to beat for the newfag tourists that started with ds3 and er
>souls games are easy I've got the youtube guide and wiki open on the second screen and have seamless coop to play with my friends (invaders blocked because shit is not fun)>nioh is a hardcore game but the real nioh is ng++++ if you clear the game once you didn't beat the gameWhat causes this discrepancy?
>>737409270You haven't played Contra for more than 30 minutes, retard>>737410119>t. retarded zoomer whose entire experience with retro games is 30 minutes spent spamming rewind on NSOfuck off retarded larping poser faggot
>>737409653>most if not all games with difficulty selection will be harder to beat than any Souls games if played on the hardest difficulty.What the fuck are you even talking about? Do you even read what the fuck you write? Have you played 5 videogames in your entire life? What are these games, please name them, I want a good laugh.No, *very* few games even on max difficulty are harder than the Souls games. Notice how in this entire thread, the only game universally accepted as harder than Souls (without slapping a bunch of bullshit qualifiers like deathless or restricted challenge run) is NGB/NG2 on MNM.
>>737410583>yet you deny that dark souls becomes easier even if you use guides.I didn't deny that. you're imagining arguments in your head.
>>737409653Souls series does a great job with balancing the RPG mechanics between the extremes of feeling like you steamroll the game when overleveled and not feeling like you lose a statcheck when underleveled. Even when you are high level, enemies hit hard and a dumb mistake can easily get you killed. You say the same thing about Zelda 2 (a game that has FAR easier execution than Souls and also takes like 1/10,000th the amount of time to max out exp) and people lose their mind btw
>>737409732>>737409270My first console was N64 and outside of shit like Pokemon or SMB Deluxe on Gameboy, I never even played a 2D sidescroller until Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection on the PS3 I have way more experience with 3D games and have beat a significant chunk of the hardest 3D games.It's just that zoomers genuinely try to act like 2D games are so difficult when you could count the LIFETIME hours they've spent on 2D games with one hand
Gran Turismo license test golds and challenge race golds are harder than anything in an action game.
fortnite is still harder and more fun
>>737412125kek try playing Driver.
>>737412306No, he's right, they're way harder.
>>737384679Post your 1-ALL
>>737412306Driver is easy as fuck. You just gotta do some maneuvers and you’re set. Gran Turismo will ask you to get pro racer times for its gold trophy stuff which contrasts the difficulty of actual races so much since the AI in all GTs (except 7 ever since that one update) is so brain dead that they can’t even comprehend other cars being on the track.
>>737412306Nah, I remember the plat for GT5 takes like 500+ hours, is 10/10 difficulty and is essentially impossible without a racing wheel.
>>737412306Driver won’t make you hate Top Gear
>>737384679No, the games that got torn apart by holding a shield while circle strafing or simply standing 10 feet away from the enemy aren't hard. Wasn't until DS3 that the games got challenging. Also I just remembered launch DS1. It wasn't hard overall, but it had some fucked up difficulty spikes. Still have nightmares about the undead burg's gangbang room, infinite ass works, and the jewish skellies and ghosts.
there's a dude itt saying he not playing games for kids lmao he's believing video gaymes are not made for kids lmao
>>737384679>start as royalty>pew pew from safe distance>wait for mp to refill>pew pew some moreWas hard.
>>737384679>It took me less time to go from first time playing Contra to a deathless clear than it did just to beat the first fucking area (1-1) of Demon's Souls.>People love saying the games are easy only AFTER getting hundreds if not thousands of hours of experience with the Souls games and extensively using guides and the most OP cheese builds.Your retarded over-exaggeration aside, what you're essentially saying is "people say the games are easy after they get the hang of them" which is true for basically any difficult video game ever.I imagine most people struggle with a Souls game for a while the very first time they play one (assuming they aren't doing some babbymode mage build, using summons, or looking things up, all of which make the game trivially easy). Once you get a basic hang of the mechanics and the bullshit tricks Souls games like to throw at you (enemy ambushes, traps, etc.), which should probably happen by the midway point of your first Souls game, they become mildly challenging at best, with the occasional difficult boss.
>>737409653>Everyone ITT looks retarded.That's because a lot of people in this thread are obviously not expressing genuine opinions.
>>737384679People like saying theyre easy with the hindsight of game breaking builds and the wiki being made for them.When dark souls 1 came out the four kings was considered one of the hardest bosses in the game. No one had an easy time with this thing.Three years later and fucking idiots with the hindsight of data mining cry its too easy to beat them
>>737394167Any Multiplayer esport title are harder
>Dark Souls is the hardest game EVAR>No it isn't>Name some games that are harder>Someone lists a bunch of games>Nuh uh, no their not>Yes they are, I died more playing those games than Dark Souls>Yeah well you must've cheated in Dark Souls you're fake hahaAmazing thread.
>>737400248Nioh’s first boss is harder than every souls boss.
>>737384679Tried to replay Elden ring and holy fuck it is boring. No loot, pure combat, no quests. I wanted to do a full rerun to do SOTE again but I just don't give a fuck desu, this game would only be fun if I could swap weapons every 10 minutes without needing 40 smithing stones
>>737416249Souslfag cant cope that vtumor and other streamers can finish le most difficult game ever that isnt totally trial and error garbage
>>737397164>mostly because it usually made you restart the game from the beginning if you ran out of livesYeah, and those games were made to still be fun while doing that. Because arcades were massive back then, and any game that wasn't fun in the first 5 minutes was abandoned for the cabinet directly to the right of it. It was only with the household games were videogames allowed to suck ass, since there was a (relatively) huge upfront cost and no guarantee of quality.There's nothing inherently wrong with games that force you to start over from the beginning.
>>737399748Yeah unlike any of the souls games, you can't grind in it. Sorry dude,he's right.
>>737411289>universally acceptedPeople are universally retarded, remember that.
>>737416249unchecked ego from not playing real hard competitive games
>>737384858This is probably the most retarded post I've ever seen in my life.
>>737384679It's exactly like you said, we've been playing these games for a decade+ so we got used to them and so they're "easy" to us now.
If Souls games are so hard, then why can you grind over any challenge? Why can you just summon another player to carry you and beat the game for you?Shit's easy man.
>>737422910That doesn't count...
>>737422910Even without that
>>737384679Souls games are the new badge of honor for “muh skilled gamers” like how your Contra 1cc wasI firmly believe that the popularity of Souls titles is due in large part to their difficult reputation This is an era where everyone thinks they can stream and get upvotes and views and whatever, so it becomes almost a necessity in peoples’ minds to git gud at a Souls game so they can show off to others I think people that play and enjoy Souls for the sake of them being good games are in the minority; most people seem to gravitate towards them for that validation reason, which is sad
>>737423623>on the hardest difficulty
>>737423623>on the hardest difficultyhuh?
>>737423759>>737423798ng+7?
>>737394167TEW on Akuma
>>737384679Bragging over difficulty combined with the accessibility of an RPG (grind to make it easier). Also, it's reputation as a difficult series having snowballed over the years.
>>737409475i did a basic ass STR build and still steamrolled 90% of the shit that was thrown at me. granted i managed to get a black knight weapon before fighting the lords but still
>>737394167For me its gotta be serious sam 3 on hardest, i hate hitscan so much its unreal
>>737419810You are a bandwagon zoomer retard who played Souls well past its peak. Almost no one who played Demon's in 2009 preferred DaS
>>737417140Even Souls at max level is harder than Silksong lmao. Silksong is pisseasy compared to Souls, took me a few days compared to Souls that took well over a month>>737422910See >>737411381>>737416446 Retards just saying anything now. Funny thing is if their popularity and reputations were reversed, you would be saying the exact opposite. You're such a little predictable retard.>>737426041Way harder than babbyshit RE4 on Pro, but still doesn't come close to Souls.
>>737427157basic ass str build is literally one of the most broken build in stance break ring
>>737428252demon's has weird disjointed pacing unless you really liked the third archstone gimmick boss arenas. I could definitely see someone preferring souls based on that.
>>737384679If you think Souls game are hard, then you should play Silver Surfer on the NES or Battletoads, and without Emulation and save states of course.
>>737429208>almost every area ranges from good to amazing>no bad areas or groan-inducing "that part"s>each boss is unique and memorable >no excessive backtracking>short and highly replayable once you know what you're doing>sense of mastery clearing an area now that you won't have to retread through it another dozen times sprinting past every enemy>each subworld is self-contained and has very natural feeling shortcuts and progression Where exactly is the bad pacing?Demon's Souls has the best pacing in the series and that's why it's so replayable and memorable
>>737429208All of demon's bosses are gimmick bosses except for maybe 3Which is good because it focuses on exploration and puzzle solving rather than the terrible combat.
200+ Replies and you disgusting ratmen are still taking the OP's bait and not realizing that the retard have given up on defending Souls game since the retard have yet to show his """proof""" that he beats other game.>but muh 1cc arcade gamecasual baby shit compared to your average fighting game, RTS and Arena FPS. All of which are significantly 10000x harder than From's entire catalogue (including AC). The retard OP have yet to give any reason as to why Souls game are harder compared to them. FFS I died to Xan Kriegor a lot more than the entirely of Souls Bosses
>>737428623>Even Souls at max level is harder than Silksong lmao. Silksong is pisseasy compared to Souls, took me a few days compared to Souls that took well over a monthNo proof posted of course>>737428623>See >>737411381No proof posted of course>Way harder than babbyshit RE4 on Pro, but still doesn't come close to Souls.No proof posted of course
>>737420951Or maybe the game is just batshit easy and the only reason why it got that """"le hard""" status is because OP is one of the braindead retard casual who's first game is DS.Literally all of the other game mentioned itt are significantly harder than DS. FFS the retard can't even grasp that literally all souls-like requires SIGNIFICANTLY LOW mechanical skill from the player to beat the game.
>>737430506I already posted proof of dozens of much harder clears ITT you just missed it lol
>>737411381Zelda 2 is still very challenging at max level. Grinding doesn't help because you're expected to be maxed out before the final dungeon.
>>737431079It's not though, the hardest fight in the game involves sitting in the corner and mashing attack lol
>>737430904you mean this easy shit? lmao, where's your Silver rank in SC2? Where's your Yellow rank in Tekken? FFS where's your Diamond Fortnite rank? None?Then DS confirmed baby game for toddler because going by your supremely retarded as hell logic. DS is in the bottom totem pole of difficult game.
>>737431340>thread about singleplayer games and clears >dood where's your multiplayer 10m Elo account!!!!Lol
>>737431108Getting to that point still requires more skill than to beat any souls game.
>>737431653>ctrl + f "singleplayer games" in OP post>0 result foundI accept your concession. Also>DS>not a multiplayer gamelmao But I wouldn't fault you for that since DS is also a dogshit MP game with literally 0 depth and skill requirement compared to fucking UMK3.
>>737430506It long since stopped mattering that he was posting lazy bait. There's a question of what's harder, Demon's Souls or Contra. Each has enough people who would pick it and have reasons to defend their beliefs.
>>737429525having 2 full levels and then going directly into a boss that takes the gimmicky adventure aspects of some of the other encounters in the game to the extreme. it left a sour taste on all the non main archstones.
>>737432045Do you bring two summons with you everywhere you go and just let them kill every enemy unassisted? It can be played entirely in single player. It does have multiplayer options like Arkham Origins did. In this case, it's a sort of easy mode.
>>737384679It was because it was a foray into new mechanics. No one really did a slow burn hack and slasher like Demons Souls. Around this time we were well within the swing of God of War 3 and Bayonetta, super high octane power fantasies and some would argue the pinnacle of hack and slash. Then Demons Souls showed up and showed us how methodical and careful you had to play with traditional hack and slash controls in a new presentation. Loved this game, and I feel blessed to have been able to play it when it first came out. Before the lore channels, before the sweats. Just you, this unforgiving mysterious world, and a path forward.
>>737432067Difference is people who claim Souls is easier have 500 hours in Souls and 15 mins in Contra.For anyone who puts even the slightest effort towards learning Contra, the game is FAR easier and simpler
>>737432362Contra is a bullet hell practically, there is no world where it is easier than Souls.
>>737432362I have at least a dozen hours in super c and haven't managed to beat it yet. got to the last level a couple of times. the difference in mental effort between a run of contra and a souls level isn't close. I may be retarded but it's harder than souls.
>>737431908It really doesn't. On original hardware, the final dungeon took me 1.5 hours, half of which was just powerfarming to max level.The pogo attack is OP broken as fuck and you can use magic to straight up skip most encounters
>>737432451>>737432641No way these zoomers are for realJust stick to rewind you little retards
>>737396168No to most of these except Ninja Gaiden on the hardest difficulties where the game just tells you to go fuck yourself
>>737396168>Jak 2.this is not harder than souls cmon.
>>737432884So you admit Contra is harder, cool thanks.
>>737432641Play it another dozen hours and you'll be able to not only beat it, but no death clear it. Then go to the next Contra and it will be way easier now. Then those skills will carry over to other run and guns and shmupsYou have thousands of hours in 3D games and hundreds in Souls specifically, no shit you'll be mad at 2D games when you've spent a few dozen hours on them lifetime
>>737432362I agree that Contra is much harder than Demon's Souls, but the point is that some people disagree and have reasons why they disagree. Kind of like you having reasons why you take a certain side of the argument.
>>737433407>You have thousands of hours in 3D games and hundreds in Souls specifically, no shit you'll be mad at 2D games when you've spent a few dozen hours on them lifetimeNTA but I have way more hours playing 2D games than 3D, and yet it only took me 70 hours to finish ky first Souls, whereas something like Castlevania and Ghosts N Goblins took me years and years of building up to to get anywhere in by first managing to beat Megaman X games, then Classic, then Zero, and I still had to spam rewind and savestates and do basically a cheated run through of Super Ghouls N Ghosts before being able to beat it for real when I knew where everything was already.
>This is the pinnacle of difficult gameplay according to people who were 12 years old in 2011Inb4 "Dude you can only do this if you have 2000 hours of experience in the game and you studied the frame data of every single enemy"
>>737434502This was the game the complaints about excessive enemy tracking started with.
>>737434502>lone polearm user utterly mangled when enemy gets in closeStunning dedication to realism.
>>737392149Why do homosexual Team Ninja dickriders INSIST that their game be compared on the hardest, optional, unlockable challenge modes to other games played on the default casual settings? Bitch don't talk to me unless you did SL1 NG+7 no hit backwards with a randomiser on a dance pad
>>737435635>Picking the highest difficulty option in a menu the game gives you is the same as playing Souls with a 100 arbitrary challenges the player decided to impose upon themselvesWhy are Souls players such clowns? The equivalent would be a master ninja, no upgrades, dragon sword only no hit playthrough on dance pad. I'd love for you to try that shit.
>>737384858dark souls 2 fixed everything that was wrong with des and das
>>737435974>Picking the highest difficulty option in a menuMNM doesn't even appear in the menu until you've completed the game retard
>>737428623>Even Souls at max level is harder than Silksong lmaoThe fact souls has a fucking dodge button with very generous iframes means you are wrong lmao
>>737430506I bring up 1cc arcade games because they are worth playing not because they are the hardest things around. If all you care about is difficulty, then why are you playing videogames lmao. Videogames, even at their most complex are piss easy compared to literally any human sport or endeavour.
>>737436216Not in the early games, rolling was way weaker and used way less prior to DkS3 (and a little bit in DkS2 but only with ADP meme builds)
>>737436448>Not in the early gamesYou're right, in the early games you just hold back and have your shield up. Or at least, that was far easier than being good at dodge rolling.
>>737436056and broke more things that weren't broken.
>>737436448ds3 is the game that decided to punish people for mashing roll like a monkey.
>>737436690what is this blud saying? panicrolling carries you through pretty much every boss fight, only like 3 of them have attack delays to punish it
>>737436537>>737436690Why are zoomers so retarded? They are incapable of playing a game without being babysat by a guide, that's if they even play it at all instead of just downloading their favorite eceleb streamer's opinion
