You fuckers told me to buy open-back headphones because they were supposedly way better than my wireless ANC XM4s. So I did. Now I can hear my own typing, the AC, and every other stupid sound in my room. Fuck you. I want my money back
>>737384913>Now I can hear my own typing, the AC, and every other stupid sound in my roomAre you retarded?
maybe you should think through your purchases retard
>>737384958>>737385015It's you fuckers that kept going on and on about how ANC is trash and open back has less delay and way more fidelity for gamingTake responsibilityAdmit you were wrong and that you scammed me
>>737385084i saw the open back shilling too and I instantly went "nah not for me", got a closed back instead and i'm happystop being retarded
good bait. glad you enjoy your pair.
>>737385084Wired open back, by the physics of nature, has less latency and better positionality, but also by that nature you can hear everything else. If you live in a noisy environment you obviously should stick to closed back.You buy headphones per your usecase, not what someone else tells you, retard.
open back is a meme. You were supposed to get closed back if you actually wanna hear the game.
>>737384958are you deaf?
>I want headphones that will muffle outside noises>so I got the kind that explicitly does not muffle outside noisesI don't feel like this is anyone's fault but your own
>>737384913I'm sorry you live in a swamp next to loud niggas or something bro, actually nah. You fucking retarded bro>>737385579This, gotta think about what you want
>>737385509Anon. The very nature of openbacks means you can hear everything around you. You'd have to be retarded to buy openback headphones of you don't want that.
>>737384913>You fuckers told me to buy open-back headphonesYou must be mistaken, this is IEM country.
>>737385407>open back is a memeOpen back is amazing for vidya. The soundstage is way better and way more accurate than closed headphones, especially if you're playing games where you need to hear footsteps.
>>737386293So nothing he said is wrong and you're still arguing>>737386440If you wanna hear footsteps you dont want your pc fans clouding the audio.
>>737386436ooh i own a pair of those
>>737386440The problem with your logic is the fact that you're now hearing the PC fans, cars outside and maybe the AC if you have one turned on
>>737386714>If you wanna hear footsteps you dont want your pc fans clouding the audio.How fucking loud are your fans that they overpower game audio?
>>737386845Im not deaf. You are. The problem is you, not me.
>>737386830>you're now hearing the PC fansWhat the fuck kind of fans do you guys have? I've used open back headphones for like 20 years and never been able to hear my fans on any of my dozens or so setups.>cars outsideDo you live right next to a highway?>and maybe the AC if you have one turned onYour AC would have to be insanely loud for you to hear it over game audio.
the idea of openbacks seemed really retarded glad i wasnt dumb enough to buy one>this post was paid for by the DT 770 PRO GANG
>>737386936>Im not deaf. You areI literally had my hearing tested 3 years ago and it was in pristine condition. If you hear your PC fans over your game audio, you must have done something seriously wrong with your setup or perhaps you never even set up any kind of fan curve and you just run everything at 100% at all times.
>>737387047No, you're deaf. Or your pc is overheating as we speak.
>>737384913the latency gap between wired and wireless has been closing fast, and sound quality most people cant even tell past a certain point, once you get into audiophile tier headphones its a waste imo.
so whats the best closed headphones for gaming and stuff then?
>>737384913>he fell for the audiophile meme
>>737387179>Or your pc is overheating as we speak.I have 10x Noctua 140mm fans + an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 + a 4090 MSI Suprim Liquid X with a dedicated liquid cooling block. I assure you there's zero overheating.Like I said, you're probably the kind of guy who has never even set up a fan curve in your life.
>>737384913Only ever use earbuds. Anything covering your ears is going to cause skin problems unless you are a fucking casual.
>>737387636Closed-back headphones have none of the OP issues listed. Just pure quality none of the dogshit offenses.>>737387586I've been enjoying HyperX Cloud Alpha so far, cheap-ish budget product and designed like the older ones without frills just functionality in mind. HyperX so far has been a banger in producing tech for gaming.
>>737384913>SSAAARS I ASKEDED FOR HIGHEST VALUE HEADPHONES RECOMMENDATION AND I NOW I HEAR MY OVERHEATING PC AND SCAM CENTER CALL WORKERS ALL DAY !! YOU WASTE MY MONEY YOU SON OF A PROSTITUTE !!!!
>>737387784>Anything covering your ears is going to cause skin problemsSomething is wrong with your skin and/or your headphones.
>>737384913How do you hear your ac, mine is outside, I only hear it when I go outside.
>>737387784You realize the inner parts of your ear also have skin, right?
>>737384913if you want to supress noise get closed back or some with noise cancelling ones though I personally won't go with the latter as I dislike having some battery in the headphones but if you want wireless you'll have one anyway. Open back are for quiet environments when you're alone and really want to get the "most" out of your audio but I'm not sure if I would notice the difference
>>737387709>it's your faultNo it isn't. If your game audio is so loud you cant hear outside sounds you're deaf. Probably from turning your volume up so loud. This is all on you. Not me.
>>737385084>scammedThe proper nomenclature is "trolled". U mad bro?
>>737387586DT 770 Pro
>>737384913I'm so glad I own a house and can use actual speakers. Enjoy your rental hell.
>>737387928pic related, its a portable AClandlord doesn't allow normal ones
>>737387973>If your game audio is so loud you cant hear outside sounds you're deafWho said anything about having loud audio? I was talking about your fans being insanely loud.>This is all on you. Not me.I'm not the one having issues. You are the one who complained about having issues with open back headphones. You are the one with loud fans.
open back is only good for music where the audio isn't flip flopping between really quiet and really loud at any moment's notice like a game can. Anyone saying you cant hear pc fans or air conditioning or the wind blowing if their window is open are lying to you or deaf.
>>737388037it'll be my house when mom dies tho
>>737384913lesson number one: you only have yourself to blame for not doubting advice on the internet and for not doing research
>>737388089>Anyone saying you cant hear pc fans or air conditioning or the wind blowing if their window is open are lying to you or deaf.I'm fully convinced that you are an actual schizo who can't believe that other people have different experiences than your own personal experiences.
>>737388074You just assume my fans are loud when the whole point of open back is hearing outside noise. You're dumb.
either my hearing is really bad or other peoples fans are really weak or their airlfow is bad i dont hear a peep out of my pc even pushing it to the limitmy laptop though i hear that constantly, and it's further way than my pc too
>>737388184>when the whole point of open back is hearing outside noiseAre you a third worlder that lives in a favela or something?
>>737385393Genuine question, how do open back have lower latency than closed back? I understand ANC headphones have latency, but why would closed backs have that issue?
>>737387963in-ear buds are just cancerous and hurt my eardrums for some reason and they don't fit inside them at all lol. Cursed genes.
>>737388253Rotational velocidensity
>>737388243No, and you're deaf.
>>737388408Yeah, I'm deaf, that's why I went through a lot of work and spent a lot of money to get the exact right amount of fans in the right positions that pushes the most airflow with the minimal amount of noise.I did all of that because I simply can't hear fan noises. Moron.
>>737387586The audiophile thread on /g/ recommended FiiO FT1 and I've been quite happy with them.
>>737388503 Amazing...
>>737384913Open back is better because you can hear the doorbell, your phone ringing or your mom falling down the stairs so you can call the paramedics in time instead of gaming in ignorance while she slowly bleeds out.
>>737388850closed back is better because i dont live with mommy and i have no reason for my doorbell to ring
At least now you got the same headphones as Mio
I use some wireless Logitech headset to listen to music on my PC.
This idiot schizo using openback and claiming he can't hear outside noises like wind, AC and PC fans is such a shill liar its making me angry
i really need to get a good audio device for my quest 3wish it just had index style speakers
>>737388850>you can hear the doorbell, your phone ringing or your mom falling down the stairs so you can call the paramedics in time instead of gaming in ignorance while she slowly bleeds out.Or you could just take a break from gaming every 45 minutes or so
>>737389078Mio isn't going to fuck you
>>737388850>Open back is better because you can hear the doorbell, your phone ringing or your mom falling down the stairs so you can call the paramedics in time instead of gaming in ignorance while she slowly bleeds out.If the game is playing loud sounds you won't hear any of that even with open backAlso with ANC you can still hear all of that if there's no sound playing
I wish these weren't discontinued. Comfiest headphones of all time
>>737388850>because you can hear the doorbellMy doorbell rings on my PC>your phone ringingWho the fuck still does phone calls ins 2026.>your mom falling down the stairs so you can call the paramedics in time instead of gaming in ignorance while she slowly bleeds out.Just don't blast loud music 24/7 and you will be able to hear her screams just fine
>>737389078I thought she was rich, why is she using poorfag headphones?t. poorfag
>>737389384Jesus how loud do you keep your volume? Careful so you don't get tinnitus or hearing loss. I started using speakers because of that shit.
>>737389169>proceeds to not even listen to music that muchThis anime was a hidden gemThis and the yu-gi-oh parody episode were 10/10
>>737389694Mugi is the rich kid in K-On
>>737388089Only thing I can really say is noticeable outside of what I intend to hear is my neighbor's shit heel dog who never shuts the fuck up. The dog was already audible even with close back. Something is going to happen to that dog someday.
>>737389659>Who the fuck still does phone calls ins 2026Underage detected
>>737389804I'm 35
luv me open back planar magnetics
>>737388032It's ok but the clamp force is a bitch, and the build quality is very outdated, mine lost the 4 screws already.dt 700 x pro (or something), it's the updated versionakg k361 or k371, nice bass and voices fiio ft1, better in everything except voices but still nicesony xm6, if you need ANCfor open backs with actually some resemblence of bass get the hifiman edition xs, but you may need eq or dac with bass button like the zen cans. This one has very good soundstage for fps games, it's not a meme. I own more but those are my favorites, specially the k361, if in doubt just get that one and suck my penis later.
>>737386714>So nothing he said is wrong and you're still arguingI wasn't aruging. I just called him retarded for buying somethinf with 0 research, retard.
I love my HD600s. It did take some time getting used to the mesh lettings sounds in, but it is overall a very very clean sound. If I want to cancel noise that's what my earbuds are for.
>>737388253Wired has lower latency than wireless. Not open back vs closed.
>>737390419For Sennheiser the HD560s is pretty much their only worthwhile headphone. They have the best sound quality beating HD600, 650 etc. and are reasonably prices. You're only losing some higher quality plastics in construction. AKG K702 are also excellent reference sound.For closed backs I don't know as I don't really use those, but some Beyerdynamics are OK I guess.
>>737389829How embarrassing
>>737390574I remembered that AKG K371 are very good closed backs with balanced sound signature.
buy koss porta pro brehs. sound quality is amazing for the price
>>737386436ThisHeadphones are a scam
20 dollar wired sony earbuds are all you need
>>737390574>For Sennheiser the HD560s is pretty much their only worthwhile headphoneSennheiser HD 490 Pro is awesome and extremely underrated. It's pretty much perfect for vidya where you need to pinpoint things like footsteps. I'd even rate them above HD600 and HD560, but you need to like your sound to be a little bit warm and more bassy than usual Sennheisers.
Guys what's the least shit headset a guy can get these days? I already have a studio headphone+separate mic thing going but I kinda hate it. I don't like having cables and stuff cluttering up my desk and always getting tangled in stuff and collecting dust and whatever the fuck.
Reminder /iemg/ is a cult and not to be trusted.
>>737390419>>737390934which open backs from Sennheiser do you guys say has the most "bass"?
ANC is not a meme
>>737390980Why? You only hate them because iems are mostly chinese
>>737391119>no for real this time (other times didn't count) moondrop x loli sakura heavenly scent iems are ENDGAME GEAR you need to get in on this NAO trust me it will change your life
>>737391070None of them have a lot of bass and Sennheiser bass (whatever there is) is not very well defined. However if you want a Sennheiser the HD650 is probably the most bassy (and dark) of their open backs.>>737390934HD490 Pro uses the exact same drivers as the HD560s and they sound almost identical. There's differences in construction and the distance of the driver (to your ear) is slightly different which may account to any audible differences. They're all pretty good though (HD560s, 600, 650, 490 Pro and 660s2) and sound fairly similar. HD650 is probably the most different due to darker sound. With PEQ you can make any of these sound exactly like you want.
>>737385084>you scammed melollmao evenno refunds dumbfuck
Verum 2 is all anyone needs.
>>737384913Wtf did you think would happen when you bought an OPEN BACK headphone. God some people are stupid.
I got precisely the type of headset /v/ would urge you to never get: wireless, and from a gaming brand.It's 10/10 I love it so much
>>737390976I'd advice against bt headphones because of the latency, if you ever tried BT vs wired gamepads, it's the same difference. Perhaps if it comes with a 2.4ghz dongle, maybe razer of steelseries has that shit
>>737384913Those need to be amped, dumb dumb.
Anything described as “good for gaming” is universally shit, even if it’s not officially marketed as such. That includes all your 40-year old headphones that sound like shit. They would’ve been forgotten in the dust bin of history if it weren’t for gaymers rebranding old shit as “gamer approved”. Playing games on your computer is not a personality, it’s an addiction.
>>737387636Sorry you listen to music and everything through skullcandies. I like good sound, and having good sound is key in gaming.
>>737392260Youre a dumbass, headphones like the hd650 and the hd800 are renowned for gaming and other media.
>>737390419I want the 650, or the 660s(apparently has slightly more bass and I dont like super heavy bass). And a new amplifier, like a fiio k9
>>737388032I see a lot of people with these, how do you like them?
I got openbacks and while they can sound really detailed in a silent room I think they just remove too much intimacy from the sound. Semi-opens are probably what I would like the most. Full closeds feel uncomfortable because you can't hear yourself speak and they make that "you hear your own body" type effect.
>>737386436I had a pair of these, they fucked up because they couldn't take me sweating when I was working out or riding my bike. They did have some iffy scilibence.
>>737392260What's good for gaming, then?
>>737392738>open back and semi open back ChadI remember buying my first pair of akg 240s, loved them but I ended up wanting a bit more.
>>737384913>not using speakersEmbarrassing
>>737392758Semi open or closed with a good amp/dac.day. but its really preference, and what youre going for and want. I prefer open backs, personally. It's hard to say, because its all on you, and i hate to say it there's not many places you can try before you buy headphones. So you might get a couple of pairs until you find "the one". Having listened to the hd650, those are end game for me.
Atom amp and dac is all anyone needs.>muh 2wno, no you don't need that
>>737389392there are two pictures of this and they have vastly different colorsfuck
>>737393010Fiios higher end ones are great and pretty easy in the pocket. Really want their k9 and a pair of HD650s
>>737392758cabled, semi-open over-ear, mic on desk, home.
>>737393010>>muh 2wWhat now?
>>737392758What is "gaming" to you? If you just wanna game you can use 25 euro IEM from random market and still enjoy your media just fine and be able to tell left and right. Getting something more expensive isn't a need, it's just something you can try if you fancy.
>>737392915Ive heard the hd800 is mind blowing too, but a bit expensive. Yeah, there's payment plans, but the whole financing thing is a scam. You end up paying more.
>>737392783Why are semi-opens so rare though. :(
>>737393114>$25 headphones Wow that actually made me sick. Do have any self respect you fucking mongoloid?
>>737386436I’ve tried these but they end up with a thin layer of yellow earwax after a week shits nasty
>Not spending 100k on a proper audio setuproru, rumao even
>>737393234Clean your ears.
>>737393210I wrote IEM. Yeah there's people who play their vidya and listen to music on those. And they play high level in comp too. Just get off your autistic horse and stop comparing things. Note that I never said that you aren't allowed to experiment with more expensive things, I'm just telling you that you don't NEED any of that.
>>737384913>boomers still using full size headphones when IEMs exist
>>737393327Yes you do, great for games and other media when you have a good set of cans and a good amp/dac. You literally hear and feel more, and its worth it. Im going to take back being a dick. But dude, its worth it. I thought cheapo superstore headphones were the shit at one time too.
>>737393165Because they combine the worst disadvantages of both. They don't really prevent your audio from leaking nor do they have noise isolation like closed backs, but they also don't have wide sound like open backs and instead mostly sound like closed backs.
>>737393506Shit, I used akullcandy too. My first buds by a real brand were sennheiser 300x. Cheap, but they were sennhiesers. Then found some chi-fi stuff later on Amazon I liked too.
>>737393506No. It's same thing with 4K. "You can see more pixels so it's easier to aim", but then almost every good player plays on small screen with some alien resolution that pixelates everything even further. All you really need is good left and right separation and the rest is up to the game engine.
>>737393584The big thing about open backs, you have to have a quiet room and environment. Sometimes ill drown it out, but you have have that issue along with sound bleed making others hear it. Like Grace's embarrassing constant moaning and heavy breathing. It sounded like I was beating my meat than playing a game. Lmao.
>>737393407people who use iems at home are weirdos
>>737393080It is an ongoing belief in the audiophile world you need shitloads of power (muh headroom) to power headphones. It is mathematically proven you don't as all but the most extreme impedance headphones will pull low milliwatt amounts of juice even at hearing destruction volumes (as power = volume) in simple terms.With chi-fi getting real good and the rise of other cheap amps that are so clean any distortion is only machine measurable it became this arms race of marketing to pump more and more power out of the amps because people were following 30+ year old advice when amps (especially tube amps) were very electrically noisy and headphones had lots of impedance.Pic related - 143mv is eardrum bursting power at a monstrous 600ohm impedance. 90% of headphones fall between the 32ohm and 150ohm impedance and that puts you into nearly a watt or more of power. When the guys behind the atom amp JDS labs released the new fancy one they put out a blogpost with the maths behind why you don't need all this power but made the product anyway as that is what people kept asking for.Speakers follow the same principles but naturally being much bigger do need considerably more power but that is where we get into "it goes to 11" memes.
>>737393506It's worth it, but you can get a good chinese IEM and dac for less than a 100 these days. Heck I think 50-60 is enough for pretty good Chifi IEM and dongle DAC. For proper headphones you can always get a good pair for about a hundred during sales (AKG or Sennheiser).
>>737392120I can live with 1 cable, it just gets a bit too annoying when there's two of them for a seperate mic/headphone setup. Anyway, I stopped being lazy and did some of my own research, from what I can see the MMX 300 or 330 Pro seem most promising. Just not sure if I want them open or closed back. I prefer the sound of open backs but a problem I currently have is sound will leak from my open back headphones into the mic, and I pretty much only use my headphones for multiplayer/co-op gaming these days. Maybe in a headset the mic will be better calibrated against that sort of thing though.
>>737392687Comfortable and very bright sound. Absolutely amazing if you're a boomer like me with fading high-frequency perception. Also will immediately make you hate anyone not using a hiss filter. I would recommend modding them a bit, having a detachable jack and softer padding if you wear glasses makes a big difference. I've only used the 250 Ohm version with an amp, so I don't know about the 90 or 32 Ohm versions.
>>737393407I can't stand the feeling of having something inserted into my ear canal.
>>737393630Youre wrong, its like comparing some desktop speakers to a theater sound system. Same thing with headphones.
>>737393407>>737393679I don't know why IEMs get recommended for gaming but a lot of zoomers on valorant use them. Talking with them on sounds weird.
>>737393684Ah got it. I just didn't understand what you meant by 2W specifically, but yes you don't need a lot of power (you can calculate it if needed for your headphones) from amp to drive most headphones unless you're looking to become deaf very quickly. Amp does nothing but affect the loudness pretty much (tubes excluded). Everything else is subjectivist bullshit.
>>737393696Yeah, I had the tin t2 also. I liked them and they lasted a great while. Rally dug the cable was replaceable if anything happened. And a lot of chi-fi Iems have that feature.
>>737393717>very bright Eh, that can be a bad or good thing. Too much on the high end hurts my ears. I have super sensitive hearing for some reason.
>>737384913Did you specify that part of the reason you use headphones is to avoid noise? If not then you're retarded and it's your fault.
>>737393862The amps function is so it sounds better at lower volumes. If youre blasting the shit into your ears with the amp on full blast, youre an idiot and deserve to damage your shit.
>>737393851I hate zoomer so fucking much. I even hate them so much I'm doing everything I can to make my 2 sons not to become a useless zoomer faggot.
its insane to me that you would ask this board of all places an audio question. everyone here is talentless pedo NEET with no skills nor prospects. tons of other boards that are better for asking this and even reddit is probably more useful than this place when it comes to this shit. also, i would have tried to have found a trusted youtuber. i turned to this guy a few years ago and he had great advicehttps://www.youtube.com/@inthemix/videos
>>737393921I wouldn't recommend them for you if that's the case, unless you're willing to mod them.
Ive also seen some streamers using audeze cans too. They're a bit pricey, but have heard good things.
>>737387784have you tried showering more than once a week and not being a fat fuck?
>>737393983That's not it at all. Read up on amps and what they do before spouting nonsense. All amps affect is how loud the headphones get. Amps CAN affect the sound, but only if they're shit. A good amp is transparent up to the maximum output (though some have high distortion at max levels).
>>737384913turn up the volume you fucking idiot. i have used open backs for 15 years and never had this issue, fucking moron
>>737394105Yup, thays why I like flatter headphones. I dont like too much bass or treble, but I dont want it to not exist. I want it to be there, know what im saying?
>>737384913ANC doesn't click typing or voices it's more for blocking continuous low rumble type sounds, maybe your acBut being closed back helps too
>>737393772Yeah because you're COMPARING. But if you stop it doesn't matter much at all. Same with resolutions. Your brain will adjust and create new normal for itself.
>>737394146>amps can effect the sound >but theyre shitYou have no idea what youre talking about do you?
>>737394146retard.
>>737392072same, no cable and being able to chat with my friends while i do something else like cook or something rockswhat do you use?
>>737394251>>737394264lol samefagging. Like I said amps can affect the sound, but good amps do not. A good amp is transparent just like a dac is.
>>737384913Just stay wireless with RF headphones. Never Bluetooth.
>>737394334seething retard lmao
>>737394334Yeah only one of those posts are me, what about you do a little more research than making yourself look like an idiot.
>>737392915>>737393074>>737393114Okay, so I should probably get something wireless, expensive and fully open with a built in microphone. Thanks guys.
The harman target is the work of satan.
>>737394272A lot of headphones have other cords you can buy that have mics and mic controls on them. V-moda makes one thays really popular, you just have to find one that'll work with your set. So a lot of these companies haven't left gamers behind.
>>737394128Audeeze nuts
>>737394398I don't think you quite grasp the irony of your comments.>>737394418Ok so, what do YOU think the amps purpose is and what it does?
>>737394272I use Hyperx Cloud III
The meta for sound quality, latency and noise reduction is to use IEM with hearing protection earmuffs. Get the 3m gel pads because they will seal around your glasses and the audio cables. You can get them with inline mic too if you want. You can get 3m muffs, gel pads, 1dd iems, 2 volt dongle dac, a few ear tips, and an aftermarket cable with mic all for $100.If they don't stay in your ears, especially if your getting sweaty, try foam ear tips. I use silicone tips at home but foam at work and they stay in all day in the sun.And yes you do need to clean your ears occasionally.Having tried every type of headphone iems are really the best, but you do need to use parametric eq regardless of how good the equipment is because everyone has a different ear canal resonance frequency. So listen to sine sweeps or pink noise and correct it. For windows gaming you use the software equalizerapo. It does not add any lag (unless you program it to).Also you either disable caudiolimiter in the registry or you listen to volume less then 70% on windows to avoid soft clipping.
>>737394530because it entirely depends on the headphones. my HD6XX sound better at low volume with an amp than the same volume without one
>>737394430Get what you want and like, the pain in the ass thing is finding the right pair without listening to them. What sound are you going for? What or you using them for? What features? Is their an aftermarket for them? Replacement parts available? Are they well built? All questions you have to ask yourself. And aside from shit posters yove got some pretty solid advice. Im happy to help.
>>737394584>massdropYeah, heard a lot about their hd6xx. Apparently theyre very good and just like the hd650. They made some waves when they first released and I saw a lot of people copping them.>biggest complaint>Muh bass
>>737384913>not using XM4s' excellent transparency mode to alt tab to desktop the moment you hear ninjas sneaking upshiggity diggity
imagine not wanting to hear whats going on in your house while using headphones
Also, seriously, check out the head fi forums, they have really detailed reviews for almost any major headphone company and then some. With a lot of knowledge from the users behind it. So check that place out too if you have questions that wont be answered here.
>>737394128They got bought out by sony a couple years back.
>>737394930No shit? Damn, I hope their quality didnt go down. They're well, we're, really well made and had some good weight to them that didnt make them feel cheap. Like fucking Grados.
>>737394913> head fi forumsTell me Lisa, how does it make you feel?
>>737394906It's not that but having closed backs change how the sound sounds too. Open sounds more like having speakers but well you dont have any speakers on your table.
>>737394584That's because your headphones do not have a constant impedance across the frequency range and whatever you're using (without amp) cannot driver them properly. If you compared a device with a semidecent amp inside or two same quality amps, you wouldn't notice a difference. You're just proving my point. All is supposed to do is be transparent and drive the headphones.For HD6XX for example you can see the impedance curve herehttps://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/headphones/original/2X/3/3268a02b32bff740c18ebc5e79681a1e26a7bf45.pngSo from that you can see that the headphones require quite a bit more power to get good bass, which is why you're hearing a difference with an amp. Not because the amp makes a difference in sound, but because your other source (whatever it was without the amp) could not drive them properly.
>>737395020I feel I get a more "natural" sound from open backs. I dont use eq either.
>>737394984Yup, bought them lock stock and barrel.>https://sonyinteractive.com/en/press-releases/2023/sony-interactive-entertainment-to-acquire-audeze/Though audeze went full jew a while ago by no longer offering spares for sale (such as earpads) unless you have proof of purchase to cut out the used market. That is why dekoni (among others) got in on the act and tried to offer equivalents but audeze's old vegan leather pads - which are god tier - are worth a fortune now as alternatives just aren't the same.
>>737394991Huh?
buy the ridiculously cheap superlux hd681s. worth trice their price. something will probably break withing 3-5 years of 16/7 use but so will with most other earphones and the audio quality is surprisingly good
>>737395037i know all that, that doesn't change the fact you are a fucking retard for saying "all amps affect is how loud the headphones get", so again, i say: retard.
>>737395138>ope, can't sell you parts anymore, just buy a new pair lmaoThat's so lame.
>>737385084You fell for corpo e-begging so now you know that you're dumb at least, you could tell yourself that you helped to feed a jeet for a day by buying those but they get paid in cowdungs
>>737395213lol that's exactly what it does you fucking sperg. If your amp doesn't have enough power those frequency ranges are quieter/not as loud as the rest of the frequency range which you perceive as lacking bass. Jesus christ you're stupid.
>>737395276>calls someone dumb>brings up jeets and another conspiracy theory You have brain rot so bad you have nothing to actually say that has any merit. OK, youre fine with your shitty checkout line headphones. Others are not, and coming into here with that bullshit like you know what youre talking about has shown youre way out of your element here.
>>737388184>You just assume my fans are loud when the whole point of open back is hearing outside noise. And you bought open back headphones, with the opinion that the whole point of open back is hearing outside noise
>>737395215They stopped because people were just buying the ear pads and sticking them on chinese clone headphones and not paying that audiophile premium audeze asks for. If you have proof of owning audeze headphones then you get them just fine.
>>737395420That's not the point of open back, it produces a non colored natural sound. The only background you should hear is in the game, movie, whatever.
>>737384913just buy some chinese IEMs off aliexpress retard
>>737395434Ah, I get what youre saying now. I can't blame them.
>>737384913>Now I can hear my own typing, the AC, and every other stupid sound in my room.Thats what makes open back so great. The sound is placed within your room and creates a 3d illusion. You should try those headphones with ASMR. Sorry if this isnt what you wanted, now you know.
>>737394984Grado was always the worst. I had some of their Sr series from 20 years ago. Literal worst headphones or speakers I have ever heard bar nothing. I'd rather listen to home speakers. Their midrange resonance is so bad it is physically painful and will cause hearing damage if you keep using them. It is so bad you can hear the resonance from sounds around you with the headphones not plugged into anything. Im surprised them have not been sued.
ahemFUCK ASRend of message
>>737395391Be supportings desi products saar it is mandatory redeeming not head phonings bloody bastard
>mfw alien isolation on good headphones
>>737395647ASR is the only sane space in hifi space. Fuck head-fi and other subjectivists and snake oil brands.
>>737395603*rather listen to phone speaker
>>737395603I kept hearing how great they were, I brought a pair, didnt like them and handed them off to a friend of mine. He was stoked, I wasnt. They felt really cheap, and this apparent "greatness" i wasn't hearing. They were a bit muddy in the mids and highs. I was genuinely disappointed, but couldn't get my money back and Amazon wouldn't do shit about it.
>>737395706>why yes i've never read the papers (when they were public) behind the harman curve but I KNOW deviation from it is verboten>I am very smart
>>737395706How is head fi snake oil? They have honest, real reviews.
>taking advice from 4chan>EVERjust kill yourself newfag
>>737395706There are a lot of good technical oriented forums and sites dating to the 90s. I learned more useful stuff from diyaudio and diymobileaudio than from asr.
>>737395790Real honest reviews bought with the most authentic shekels you will ever see.
>>737394673Don't worry, I'm just shitposting because the guy said some dumbass shit. I'm already using a setup I like with Artti T10s. I have a pair of Beyers too but I like these Chinese hearing aids more.
>>737384913>not owning AT LEAST a full 5.1 surround sound system for both your consoles and pc>being this poor and having to buy normiephones
>>737395697Haha, that happened with my Phillips x3s. I have them through an amp/dac running through my tv to my amp. When those aliens would jump scare. Almost shat my pants lmao.
>>737395909Who makes your amp and speakers for it?'
>>737395884What do you want to see? Everything sucks next to some koss ear buds at the supermarket check out line?
>>737395790No, I mean head-fi is full of subjectivists who hear differences when there's demonstrably none. Luckily there's a few trustworthy people there as well, but subjectivists often hijack threads.>>737395878diyaudio is a good one yes, I mostly wanted to argue that "fuck asr"
>>737395697Play that shit on a true surround system and you can hear that fucking stalking all around you. There was a few times I heard breathing behind me.
>>737395974Yeah, youre going to get opposing opinions about things. And its good to see real people be honest and share the good and bad with no filter or pressure to ass kiss.
>>737385084Why are you gaming on a keyboard
>>737396000>on a true surround system>what is HRTF?
>>737384913I'll always shill open-back headphones because they saved my ass when my place was getting robbed.If I wouldn't be able to hear robbers breaking in I'd probably be dead now.
>>737395956For PC I use the Arena 9 5.1 and for my TV/Consoles I use a basic wireless Vizio 5.1 system. Not the best, but also not expensive.
>>737396092Were they black?
>>737396127Grim
>>737396145Kind of? Georgians.
>>737396071>he fell for the hrtf scam
>>737395909Let's be real if you want to "equal" the bass quality of iems you have to spend a minimum $1000 on subwoofers and that's in you diy a ib setup with the most cost effective drivers and amps. Not counting building materials. I mean even if you do that you won't be at 0.1% distortion at 15hz at 130db. Not even in a car. I have that volume in my car but still above 2% distortion. Its a different experience that I do find worth it but a preference for iem is genuinely validI go to different houses every day for work and the vast majority of 5.1 systems are not really that good. Imo you need to get your speakers positon, dispersion and midbass right for stereo most importantly, then subwoofers, then only after you have excellent stereo are surround speakers really worth.
>>737384913I use this, I would never suggest someone waste money on headphones.
>>737384913
A good sound setup made me realise i'd been mishearing GTA3 radio for 20 years.>"this goes out to all the lightweights sleeping in the basement">no anon, he says base bins>no fucking way, that is retarded let me boot the game and listen just to prove you wrong>is base bins, clear as dayThat is what I get for using rattling 2W TV speakers in 2001.
>>737396412A real chad uses a ghetto blaster, none of this head cage or ear dildo shit.
>>737396316I like coaxial speakers but with the caveat that the woofer modulated the tweeter output you really need to be crossing them to a midbass woofer at like 500hz so the cone barely moves. Otherwise you get poor midrange. With that setup I would put them on their side and stack 8 or 10 inch woofer above and below. Hivi m8n would do the trick. 4 x $40.
>>737396309The thing that annoys me, and always has is people equating heavy bass as being good sound quality. You want the bass to be there, but not over power. But there are headphone brands that do focus on bass and a V shaped sound that a lot of people like. Flat, and having a flat eq, is so much better. Especially when you have good headphones.
>>737396412>literally a personal radioI had this happen 3 times.
>>737393751Based.As a straight man I will not tolerate anything being penetrated into me
>>737396460Exactly, and thats why a good setup is crucial. Because I've experienced the same thing, not just with video games, but movies, etc.
Closed back: Good isolation but can be tiring Open back: More natural sound and possibly better imaging and soundstage but shit isolation IEM: Perfect crystal clear audio with no resonance and extremely good isolation but you have to shove shit into your ears and spend more money to get eartips that actually work for you. Also you'll go deaf if you're not careful because the sound is so clean that you won't even notice when it's too loud until the EEEEEEEEE when you take them outSpeakers: Absolute comfort but shit positionality for obvious reasons. Also everyone else gets to listen in on your embarrassing weebshit and good ones can get really expensiveApple Earpods: Lol, lmaoThis about right?
>>737396579Planar magnetics are god tier for bass - they and be EQ'd to your liking and can handle bass allllllllllll the way down while remaining crisp.
>>737393298>Just remove the protective layer your ear produces I will not be doing that. Fuck big q-tip.
If you want insane bass, by a pair of akg 240s, take them apart, take the screen put and cover it and the vents with tape. Put it back together and you'll have pants shitting bass if that's what youre after.
I use breathe by prodigy as a litmus test for bass - if at normal listening volume you can hear the warble in the middle of the song you're onto something.
Guess I'll ask here. Any suggestions for headphones that are comfy for big stupid dumbo ears? Most headphone pads end up resting on my ear instead of resting on my head behind the ears and it gets painful after long sessions.
>>737396658Different strokes for Different folks as the saying goes.
>>737396630about it but closed backs aren't tiring. They have more narrow sound. If the audio feels "tiring" it's usually because of sparkly treble which depends on the headphone itself. Both open and closed backs can be tiring (or more commonly called 'fatiguing') depending on their frequency response.
>>737396743Trim them.
>>737396789It depends, some have a narrow and a wide soundstage. I like mine a bit wider.
>>737396743Anything with fuckoff huge drivers will naturally require bigger earpads. 100mm+ is the size jumbo ears should start looking at.
>>737384913>Now I can hear my own typing, the AC, and every other stupid sound in my roomDid you plug them in?
>>737396743
>>737396827No I meant that closed back headphones -typically- have more narrow soundstage compared to an open back headphone.
>>737396743Google, head fi, etc. Theyll point you in the right direction. My x3s cover my whole ear and have some space between my ear and the speaker so the sound can naturally flow and grow. >
>>737384913so there's this thing called a volume slider, simply turn it up and you'll stop hearing other things.
>>737396796Suppose I could try that. Even still I'd suffer some form of pressure on the ear. I am not joking when I say I have stupidly big ears that I got bullied relentlessly for. I was the primary target for snowballs when I was a kid. Maybe I could give in-ears a try but I imagine my crazy earwax production will make a quick mess of them.
>>737396887I get what you meant, but like with closed back or open, the soundstage is crucial for what you want. Like I said, I prefer a more wide, open soundstage. I dont like things to sound mushed together
>>737396579You want to have excellent quality for the whole audible spectrum and bass is no exception. Its just physics that bass takes more equipment to do that. Speakers need to move further the lower the frequency is. It is the weak point on most equipment. Just because you have good bass doesn't mean you have bad tonal balance.Car audio typically does turn up bass to overcome road noise but even there, in a properly tuned system, the goal is a perception of tonal balance.
>>737396898>>737396831Good suggestions. I'll keep that in mind and do more research. Thanks. You guys are alright.
>>737396905threads like this are perplexing to me. there is literally no volume low enough that i would ever listen to something at to where outside sound interferes while wearing my HD6XXi have also NEVER once heard my pc fans with headphones on, how fucking loud and dusty is your shit to hear it through headphones? i can barely hear my pc with my headphones on and nothing playing on them
>>737396914Maybe as headphone forums or the like, theyd probably guide you in the right direction. Sorry about your huge ears dumbo lmao
>>737396956Indeed, especially for gaming and movies I also feel like wide soundstage is the way to go given a choice.
>>737396960I get what your saying bud.
>>737396905>there is thing called competing your environment and giving yourself hearing loss>>737396984and you already have it
>>737385084Do you not do your research before making purchases?
>>737396984The rule of thumb is to have everything maxed, and then use your amp/dac for the volume.
>>737396859>>737396905Stop trying to act like a smug bitch you're just coming off as retarded. You will hear your surroundings when using open back headphones at volumes for human beings with functional ears it's just how it is.
>>737397006It is what it is. Knowing all the problems one might have, having big ears is not the worst fate.
According to some gentlemen in the 90's who told me how to bring the noize death row is how low you can go for your bass.
>>737397040I also hear a lot more, especially playing games where you have to hear like fps. You can hear movement, and steps a lot more easily. Re9 was great with this.
>>737397102yeah but that has nothing to do with what we're talking about though >>737397112nah, turn up the fucking volume and there is no issue. post your open backs.
>>737397102>and then use your amp/dac for the volumeMore precisely the last step in the chain which usually is the amp.
>>737397156Yes, positional cues are usually more precise with a wider soundstage headphones. That's why I like the hd560s and K702s.
>>737397067no see anon it is a slider, yeah? It isn't a binary between mute and blowing your ears out you see.
>>737397112It really matters if youre in a quiet environment, or can be in one. I had no issues keeping my door shut.
>>737397250Yeah and if I have it at 10% I can still hear what's happening behind the wall and at 40% I give myself hearing loss.
>>737397308Stop using high gain lmao
>>737397218Does great with music and movies too. I was really surprised how well a movie can sound with an open back and a good amp/dac. It really fixes the modern audio balance of quiet, and loud sounds. Really levels them out in a good way while not sacrificing quality
>>737397102You will hit windows audio limiter if you do that. You can disable that but it makes desktop audio capture not work. If you don't disable it you turn your windows volume down 3db the turn up your amp a little more. Tradeoff in snr is more than worth it.
>>737396863Literally me when i was a kid and had dozens of kids all throwing their snowballs at my ears during winter. I always was hot blooded and wearing a beanie would lead to a pool of sweat so I'd be without beanie longer than with and that's when the others would strike.
>>737397345True
>>737397218560s made it more difficult for me to quickly tell where the sound is coming from because there is more depth to it. On cheaper phones it's more clear if it's from left or right.
>>737397392Stop lying the the 560 would have given you better audio than a pair of cheapos
>>737397218I miss my hd560s man, they died after years of use even with swapping out the cable so I went and got a 569 out of curiosity, and I regret not just replacing my 560s.
>>737397464Did you ever think of upgrading to a hd600 or 650?
>>737397308shame there's nothing between 10 and 40. we simply don't have the technology to find a volume between those two
>>737397335Yeah, you have to spend multiples more to get a similar level audio quality speaker setup. IEMs are good too (especially if on a budget), but they all lack in soundstage. Even the IEM800 which is Sennheisers widest sounding IEM ever is nowhere near K702.>>737397392I don't what to tell you bud.>>737397464Yeh, the naming is deceptive. 569 aren't remotely similar.
>>737397442Speaking strictly from tryhard perspective. I really find no value in trying to guess if my target is at 11 or 10 and 20 meters away or 30 meters away, I just wanna instantly know if it's more to the left or more to the right and then start building my prediction from there.
>>737397507Ive noticed that, you get a little dead spot. And then its super loud, or too quiet. You really have to dail in the appropriate sound with the amp/dac. You can maybe fix it with eq, but I dont know.
>>737397504it's fun to fantasize about but it's too pricey for my blood, maybe if they go down in price whenever my current headphones croak.
>>737397504Why would you pay more for worse sound quality (and better construction). I'd rather get 2 pairs of 560s for the price of one 600/650.
>>737397536I personally dont like iems unless im doing something active and need my jams. Other than that, headphones all the way.
>>737397507Yeah there isn't because you need it to be loud to not hear your surroundings...
>>737384913They are objectively better. It is just there is no accounting for tastes since you like the worst sounding closed back nigger-bass headphones, the Sony XM4.
>>737397581The prices arent bad, you just have to shop around. Beach photo has them for cheaper than retail
>>737396743This is the reason I went with >>737388547 over the other recommendations. First pair of headphones I've had that didn't hurt my ears after 2 hours.Anyway, if the size isn't listed then google the headphone your interested in + 'pad replacement' and you should be able to find it that way and see if your ears will fit.
>>737397665Remember when Beats were apparently the epitome for normies? Those sucked.
>>737397632found a picture of your case fans
>>737397601Worse? How? The 600 and 650 are renowned.
>>737397746Beats were normie bait but are very good for what they were designed for....which is listening to rap and nothing else. It is however proven that the younger a person is the more they like bass so skewing heavily towards that appeals to the teenagers and young adults who were the target market.Old men however detest bass and skew heavily to treble rape in preference.which is why those super expensive audiophile headphones are tuned as such as old dudes with money are the target customer bass.>t. has actually read the harman curve whitepaper
>>737397778What does my case have to do with the sink in the other side of the house or the road next to the house? You are just trolling or have actually damaged your hearing. When you wear open headphones they don't block ANY sound. Can you really not hear anything outside of your room? That's crazy.
>>737397873found a picture of your kitchen sink
>>737397917Do I need to find picture of your ears?
>>737397787They are renowned and not bad in any way, but the 560s offers even more balanced sound (why I said 'worse sound'). You can look up the reviews if you're interested in the topic. And since the 560s are more neutral, you can EQ them easier if you prefer more bass for example. 600/650 do have higher quality glossy plastics though. To be clear 600/650 are excellent headphones and if you don't want to EQ you may prefer one of them over the 560s. If you compare the three: most bass 650, most neutral 560s, most treble 600. It really just depends on your preferences.
>>737397308>40%>hearing losskek. are you afraid of concerts you fucking pussy?
how are headphones not just solved at this point?
>>737397954careful Daredevil you might blow out your ears typing
>>737397987They are though. They're just different flavors of sound at this point, just like sodas.
>>737397665Dont be acting like an audiophile if you don't care to hear the lowest octave or two.
>>737397979https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=concerts+hearing+loss
>>737397987Mechanically they are. Human hearing is shit tier next to our visual acuity so audio is just picking what is tuned to your preference and then deciding which fancy case/shroud/whatever it comes in. That is why audiophile equipment is full of so much snake oil as it is a solved problem.
>>737384913I am using a pair of these rn they are great for comp fps but the built quality is absolute ass.
>>737384913>buy closed back headphones>hear the blood flowing through my ears and the creaking of every little muscle contraction in my headI'll take hearing my mouse clicks and PC fans over that any day of the week.
>>737398056wow i really am talking to a limpwristed little zoomer faggot lmao
>>737397849Im not saying bass is a bad thing either. But it does have to do with the genres of music you listen to and how you want ot to sound. Modern pop and hip hop are very bass heavy, so I can understand completely. Theres something that sounds so much better when you have bass, but its not over powering or insane. Same with people that listen to bass heavy electronic and the like, so I really understand why. Maybe its because I dont listen to a lot of music thats super bass heavy, and I lilike a more "accurate" sound than anything. It's not because of age, because I was like this and had the same opinion when I got into audio when I was younger. The skullcandys, etc, just weren't doing it for me anymore.
>>737398150The 33 year old zoomer.
>>737397987They pretty much are, the difference between $15 headphones at $200 headphones is extremely negligible and you really have to be listening closely, though it is there. And in the $100+ range they're not really any better or worse sounding, just slightly different, which some people prefer one thing over another.
>>737388253They shouldn't if you were using your XM4's wired
>>737398150>says the zoomer who doesn't have the EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE yetfuck you, I don't want to make it any worse.
>>737398165>and I lilike a more "accurate" sound than anythingHere's the rub anon, what is accurate? As it was recorded before mastering? After mastering that was done for the intent to be played at clubs? Mastered for cd release that is expected to be played on air pods? The special 20th anniversary release intended for a home theatre?This is why there are so many opinions on how things should sound and why the harman curve specifically is just an average.>https://acousticstoday.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/The-Perception-and-Measurement-of-Headphone-Sound-Quality-What-Do-Listeners-Prefer-Sean-E.-Olive.pdf
>>737398165 Indie rock, metal, punk, hardcore, singer songwriter, electronic, country, rock, soundtracks, some hip hop and pop. So thats why, but I've liked a more open, natural, and flat sound more than anything. Straight how the recording was.
>>737398323Hearing loss is something to be proud of, like circumcisions.
>>737398445I feel when I say that I mean less emphasis on bass and treble. The sound isn't "colored" and more natural as they say. Some headphones have that v shape and its excruciating to listen to.
>>737397987Economic considerations, weight considerations, practical reasons and physical reasons. Electrostatic has been the best tech for decades so why don't we? Nobody wants the energizer or the expense. Planars are probably the best reasonable option but they're too heavy and expensive for portable use, some find them too heavy or bulky even at home. Dynamics have tradeoffs of size and beaming which leads to them being too small for sub bass or too big for treble. But dynamic are the only energy efficient option to plug in your Nintendo ds or whatever.Even if you could make the perfect headphone driver, the physical distance between headphone components and ear, not to mention reflections with the outer ear, causes scattering and resonance which result in horribly uneven frequency response in the upper midrange and treble. There's no fix because it varies by person and even the position on your head or whether you wear glasses. Ear canal resonance in iems affect the sound but they are few and broad enough q that they can be equalized. Headphone equalization above lower midrange is impossible. Hence the tradeoff between comfort and quality, even if you forget about bass performance. This aspect of headphones will never be solved. And is one reason why so many people prefer speakers. Other than crossover/driver placement issues, speakers have much smoother upper midrange and treble, typically no high q equalization is used with speakers above 500hz.And then even if you did have perfect sound quality headphones, there's still personal comfort and fashion to consider. Headphones offer reasonable comfort and cost, and they do actually vary in how they sound to individuals (physically, not just psychologically). But do not chase a dragon hoping they will be more than they can be.
>>737398445That PDF is an interesting read and this chart stands out. Shows what sensible people know, cost does not correlate with quality.
>>737384913Only good thing I took from /v/ was Soundcore and some Pioneers I bought a decade ago.
>>737384913Return that shit and get dt 770 pro x headphones you retard.Open back siunds great but it's useless for computing
As a horror game enjoyer good sound output is non-negotiable.
>>737398738>Electrostatic>google it>Electrostatic loudspeakers (ESLs)Ohh now I know what anons have been talking about
>>737387709>10 fansLmao
>>737396743Hifiman Edition XS. Don't ever buy Dakoni aftermarket earpads if you have a particular love of accurate headphones since they will wreck the frequency response at all levels.The Edition XS are fuckhuge massive and deep. My wife has to have a thicc ass headband wrap just to get them on her normal sized head. I have a giant head and giant ears and they are super comfy on me. It is going for $175 direct from manufacturer which is a steal and they are low impedance so they can be driven on a phone. No need for a fancy expensive amp: https://slickdeals.net/f/18703738-refurbished-hifiman-edition-xs-over-ear-open-back-planar-magnetic-hi-fi-headphones-179-10-free-shippingThey are the most neutral, least noisy, most accurate and widest sounding headphone under 500 bucks right now. But be warned, you'll never be able to tolerate anything else but this or better again.https://autoeq.app for custom EQs driven by data/science and not snakeoil.
>>737388850>hmm where should i put my broken glass collection>bottom of these stairs, perfect
>>737401030Electrostatics are extremely uncomfortable headphones unless you buy custom pads and they are an audiophile scam, they sound WORSE absolutely fucking flat and worse than modern headphones for literal retard that wants to hear horrible quality sound because its realistic and natural sounding, its the cope, don't even try to play video games with them, don't even buy them at all.This is how the entire audiophile scam industry works, they sell you something you'll never be able to test until you get it, unless you travel to an audiophile convention.
>>737384913They are called open for a reason, retard
>>737384913>had an ATH-M50x after getting recs from here and /g/>used it for 10 years until it started to literally fall apart>get an HE400se with a KA13>sounds better I guess but its kinda negligible>sound leak gets annoying >get an FT1 because "open and closed backs have different use cases">the HE400se and KA13 is now collecting dustThey're all just marginally different from each other and it took me like 300 bucks to realize
>>737404396>FT1This I don't understandopen backs niggas. >>737398139 only happens extremely shitty fitting
>>737387784I've been wearing headphones all day every day for almost 25 years now, never had any skin problems
>>737387784you ok over there, anon?
So what's the modern equivalent to the good ol' KSC75s? I want wired, not to jam something in my ear canal, no connected headband, and cheapish.
>>737384913Is the point of making threads like this to mock retards or are the people who make them actually retarded?
>taking 4chan's advice for anythingfell for it award
>>737405513i can't answer your question but i can remind you of OP's sexual orientation (hint: it isn't natural)
>>737384913you want these
>>737405828>450 dollars>closed back>bluetoothWhat's it like having a room temperature IQ?
>>737405419Nothing. If you want clip on-ear style headphones then Koss is the only option. Enjoy. If you are fine with on-ear over-the-head style headphones tho you got a few options that are better (but still not great).
>>737406190So nobody ever made something a little bit more robust? Something that doesn't fall apart if you look at them too hard.
>>737406105You can use them wired but the real special sauce is the dongle for low latency HQ audio that is almost as good as wired.
>>737406318Nope, Koss has a dozen headphones that clip on like these tho. Can try one of the other models.
>>737406318you can mod those specific ones. theres an actual community of modders for the KSC75s
>>737406397Bluetooth will never be as good as wired. LDAC/SBC/AAC/LC3/etc all max out at 990kbps. Not to mention latency and noise. Your middle-of-the-road hifi audio source is going to be 4500kbps, 4x that. It doesn't even reach CD quality (44.1kHz at 16bit is about 1300kbps, more than the best bluetooth signal).So that will be the best trashphone to reproduce tape-deck-quality-sound.
>>737388032>>737390279 i have these for many years now and i'm extremely impressed with them lasting so long (only the right frame part plastic is cracking and i had to tape it but with my usage i'd probably go through 2 sennheisers if not more)is there any "meaningful" upgrade/sidegrade?
>>737406539Anon... it uses aptX
my ears have been sensitive to bass for 10 years now and idk why. going to an ent soon hopefully they have answers cause i miss wearing headphones to game
>>737396675You're not supposed to use q-tips in your ears anyway, dummy. Better answer is to just wash the damn eartips.
>>737384913Wise anons, how could I improve my audio? I know jackshit about bitrate, sound resolution or reverse polarity.I currently have a Moon dawn pro DAC, Truthear Hexas, and use peace with auto eqMy uses are gaming and asmr mostly
>>737388032used these for a long time and the sound is nice but fuck the coil cable. Shit always tangles and those retards don't make it removeable so you have to mod it.
>>737393010>dacso funny how they took the chip that was built into your motherboard for free, put it in a big plastic box (for no reason), charged you $200 for it and chumps like you ate it up. I bet you have gold plated connectors and a red X pen too
>>737406898>I am so poor that nothing I hook up to my computer sounds bad to meMust be nice because the dac and the power supply for it are a literal afterthought to mobo makers that universally sound like total shit. Don't even bother replying to me with your poverty babble cope about how anyone who can spend money you don't have is retarded. Now imagine sourgrapesfox.jpg because finding the image isn't worth my time due to your immense retardation.
Get a pair of Sennheiser HD650 and use them for everything. Problem solved.
>>737407902sure bro, that mostly empty chinese box of cheap components sounds way better
>>737408042Drop HD6XX are a good compro-->drop died and got absorbed into corsair like a parasitic twinOh, right.
>>737388032They have ear piercing highs.it's AWFUL
>>737384913You're genuinely retarded and should stick with razer gaymer gear
>>737406798get a DAC/AMP, buy a good pair of professional headphones and listen to lossless music in FLAC or WAV format
I also find myself using my ANC headphones over my technically better 6XX. Any kind of external noise breaks my immersion. To me even quiet EMF sound is like being in a movie theater with people talking. It’s probably autism.
>>737404396>FT1honestly I would buy it but a new m50x costs only half of it in my region>didn't buy a cheap open back sr850 to test the waterngmi
Does anyone have any tips or anything for kiwiears altruvas? i bought some a couple months ago and theyve been pretty good, but idk if theres anything i should do with them in terms of drivers or EQ or anything. afaik theres no dedicated drivers and i just used a basic bass boost EQ but idk if theres anything im missing out on since im newer to audiophile shit
>>737406898Yeah, there's a reason no one does audio tests on DACs like how they do with every headphone released, the graph would look identical for all of them.
>use bluetooth earbuds>can feel my brain overheating
>>737408883i got one because my headphones were so high ohm or whatever that i needed it to boost the volume levels but id swear it sounds a lot better than plugging straight into any computer ive tried too
>>737409080It probably does, motherboard DACs are "good enough" and get spanked even by cheap USB DACs
>>737409080>but id swear it sounds a lot better than plugging straight into any computer ive tried tooWell in sighted ABX tests that's usually the case, yes. However, in blind ABX tests people universally can't tell the difference between $10 DACs and $3000 DACs. Turns out it's just placebo.
>>737408883None of those are mobo dacs on your graph where you assert they all sound the same, all of those are stand alone dacs that don't have to deal with the interference generated by your motherboard routing power all over your PC and to your shit unshielded dac soldered 3cm away from the primary power traces. How disingenuous.
>>737409187 I remember there was a youtube video that dived in this topic and the most expensive dac chip in the market costs like 10usd or something lamoaudiophiles are one of the most easiest to be milked and scammed
>>737409252... none of those are DACs at all, my dude, those are earbuds. People don't make graphs like that for DACs - which is what the post said.
>>737406670>aptXSo... peak of 1,200kbps, just under CD quality and the absolute peak of the Bluetooth 6 protocol? Though AptX HD is only 576kbps. Imagine paying 450 dollars plus tip for worst-than-CD-quality-audio in a sub-optimal closed-back configuration that you can't even enjoy when you want if you forget to fucking charge it. Charge... a headphone. Fucking wild. Cuck paypig mindset.
I have both XM4s and akg k712 pros and let me tell you how retarded you are.Openbacks are for sound quality. If you want isolation you don't need ANC like a faggot, you need IEMs like pic related.Also you better have a DAC or anything over $150 is a complete fucking waste of money.
>>737409447I mean I also think BT headphones are completely retarded and would never buy headphones that constantly needed charging and could permanently die, but you don't need that much bandwidth, even 96-128kbps opus is transparent.
>>737409648NTA but I have xm4s for work, the lack of a cable and tap to pause are the main selling features for me.But the sound quality, compared to my AKGs or my 7z Divines? Absolute dogshit.
Took less than one second to research, you're welcome.
>>737406539We already have Bluetooth 2, It's called Nearlink (formerly Greentooth) and reaches up to 4.6 Mbps audio with the Freebuds Pro 5. That's already quite literally better than wired.But yeah, most "high-end" Bluetooth headphones are basically the same garbage. You may as well buy the older model refurbished (Like the XM4, QC45) and I'll be like 10% of the price
>>737384913OP, stop listening to retards. Get the XM6 or DT990. Dont waste your money on any other gimmick headphones. Better yet, get Speakers since they are way better.
>>737385084What did you think "open back" meant you fucking retard?
Just turn the music up faggot.
>>737409252None of that matters, it's solved in signal processing
>>737410306There is no signal processing after the backplate, which transmits interference.
>>737410435I don't want to spend $500 on a bunch of doodads and dials just to make my YouTube music sound kind of nicer.
watching audiophiles justify wasting their money is pretty funny.
>>737410709Do you even have money to waste?
>>737408051my amp/dac are made in the US, u mad?
>>737393010I just got a 3 dollar portable usb-c dac and it sounds as good as my 100 dollar dac
>>737385084lol where did you have your audophile thread. /v/ of all places? deserved then lol
>>737410709i spent $450 on my setup 6 years ago and i can't imagine how many hours i've gotten out of it since then and everything's in perfect condition. i have zero desire to upgrade but if anything stopped working i'd replace it that day. man i love being White, your life must be a piece of shit. sorry about that!
>>737387636look at this huge fucking retard. It isn't a meme but the tech that actually gives you an advantage to amplify the right noises not gonna spill here.
>>737408261only advice that hits close to helping someone so far in this thread.
>>737384913got a pair of these exact shits cuz my brother-in-law was gonna throw em outdey aight
>>737384913trolled
>>737384913>he bought off of /v/ recskek
>>737386936NTA, but i have the hd 650's by good ol mate senny and those too are open back, and I cant hear my own pc while gaming because my fans dont exceed 40% while gaming. How fucked are your thermals or how fucked is your pc fan profile if you let those fans get above 50% anyways?At this point im more worried about your pc lmao.
>>737393407IEMS are too narrow stage wise, though good for public listening even if long term use can give you chronic ear issues down the line.
>>737414808>can give you chronic ear issues down the line.such as?
wire bros, how do I cope with the fact that my chair keeps rolling over the cord?
/hpg/ pls go
>>737398246It's more like the 100 dollar point for headphones that are good if you buy the right brand. From onward it's diminishing returns. Shit is absolutely different below that
>>737414998shorten the cable?
>>737384913>He fell for the headphone meme Headphones turn you into a Troon
>chase audiopedophile autism for a few years>settle with earpods while using parametric EQ since they're really comfortable for mewell that was a waste of money
>>737415219>Shit is absolutely different below thatNah, it's incredibly minuscule. I could only barely hear the difference between $16 8323s and a few $150-250 headphones when listening very closely to songs I knew very well. If you're not trying to spot the difference you wont notice at all, buying more expensive headphones for 'objective' better quality is a fool's errand. Comfort, build quality, open/closed, and preference of frequency response (which you can hit with EQ) are the only things you should actually be focusing on.
What if mine are sennheiser 550S?
>have dac on pc mobo>sits right next to 20 phase vrm hmm there is no way one could mess with the other
>>737416091>snapheiser
>>737384913My KOSS PortaPros finally broke after 10+ years and they allowed me to hear my surroundings like you mentioned which I like. They get that airflow too which is comforting on the ears because headsets with the big cans create a vacuum and heat up your inner ear.
This is what i use coupled with some no name chineseum "studio" mic i got from amazon for 50€.Friends say i sound like an youtuber so it must be good somehow.
head fi is the sort of place that will tell you an amp lacks soundstage and is too clinical. Yes, an amp.
I love my open backs and I prefer the sound of them compared to closed backs or IEM's, but I am fully aware that they don't isolate any noise, which is fine because my surroundings are quiet and my PC's fan noise on idle is negligible.That being said, if your surroundings are so loud that you're dependent on ANC and your brain is incapable of filtering out the keyboard sound, then the open backs are not an issue. (You) are. And I have impeccable hearing to the point where I involuntarily eavesdrop just because I can hear people speak. Fix your brain first, blame the hardware later.
>>737418980Your open backs aren't going to let you filter out the beeping from the smoke alarm no matter what you think.
>>737406318The KSC75's are so simple there's barely anything to break on them. I modded mine to have MMCX connectors, baby's first soldering project.>inb4 i don't want to solderIt's a good and productive hobby to pick up. Learning how things work internally and knowing how to repair them is immensely useful.>>737419041I don't have a smoke detector. I have a carbon monoxide detector that's deafeningly loud when it beeps once it needs it's battery changed.Maybe try the Indian angle of "shallow Internet insults" next time around. Call me Rajeesh or something. Or get new material already.
Sound is a very powerful element in vidya for aiding in immersion of a given game world so using something halfway decent to hear your vidya is important. be it from hearing the revving of the engine in your jewgatti oveyron, the sound of the forest wildlife in kingdom come or the footsteps of that motherfucker in the next room in rainbow six rogue spear it all matters to the experience.
>>737384913yeah that's the point. obviously. they're called open-back headphones, what did you think they did?
>>737418980>just filter the sounds with your brain broHow is my brain supposed to know if the car is from the outside or game? When I listen to ASMR I literally cannot tell. And now with spring there's been birds in some games and I couldn't been able to tell if it's from the outside or the game.
>>737384913>shop for comfortable high quality office headset>super comfortable sleek high quality BUT it only does bluetooth i.e. no simultaneous audio+mic outside of calls>shop for "gaming" headset>plastic low quality dogshit but it has a 2.4ghz dongle so you can listen to music while on calls as the smoothbrained clamping force reshapes your skullanything with the word "gamer" in it becomes an excuse to sell plastic low quality garbage and audio hardware companies seem to have agreed that you'll never have what the other lacks without coughing up $300+
ITT poors mad at skullcandy and turtlebeach.
Dynamics are thin and sucks ass for gaming. Planars with quality amplification is the way to go. Realism
>>737420145Opposite experience for me where hifi headsets have less than ideal comfort. Maybe it's because I have smaller head and it would make sense that gaming gear is shaped for potential kids.
If you aren't buying dan clark headphones you don't know shit.
Imagine believing anything you read on the internet.t. using some shitty buds right now that sound perfectly fine and block out all external sound
>>737384913>buy a thing that's supposed to do thing>does thing
Just buy expensive cables bro!>https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/kimber-ks-1036-silver-rca-cable-review.70121/
Is there a good noise cancelling wired pair of headphones for gaming use? I really like ANC and being able to get immersed, and my cloud 3s are getting up there and the battery's not quite as robust as it used to be so I'm gonna start saving up for a new pair.
>>737414998Take the sky wire pill. I have a dog lead on my curtain rail, which pulls the cable upwards and away from me with very low tension. It hasn't gotten in the way in over a decade.
