>An ancient evil has awoken
>>737410332>ESL thread
>hero and villain unite to defeat a greater evil
>>737410332this is actually one of my fav tropes. i'm sorry, but i'm chuuni and i love that shit
>>737410428w... what's the greater evil???
Power of friendship and asspulls beats the final boss
>>737410501(((them)))
>>737410332>beat boss in a fight but lose in the cutscene
>>737410332>you were the villian all along
>>737410332gay faggot
>a young good has fallen asleep
>Villain is evil because some girl he liked diedDragon Quest 4 came out in 1990. Can we please stop rehashing Psaro the Manslayer.
>the mentor is an ugly nigger
>Lame side character gets way too much screen time.
>>737410428That's literally kino you faggot
>>737410332>ancient civilization with hyper advanced technology manages to vanish and leave just enough ruins for dungeons, autonomous machines for enemies, and some plot device doomsday weapon
>>737410332>ancient civilisation technology is far more advanced than our>we couldn't beat the big bad so we sealed it away>the evil king was actually mind controlled and is really a good guy>lmao im not actually evil because im just trying to enstate survival of the fittest
>>737410718Whats wrong PRAD?Don't you like the story rich experiance, PARD?
the dragon quest movie had a cool twist on that, but fumbled it midway. the ancient evil was basically a destructive rogue ai (revealing the game's world was a simulation). something whose mere existence was far beyond the characters' comprehension, unimaginably powerful. felt like a better representation of ancient evil then just "bigger monster with higher stats." the movie was pretty cool up to that point, and the big bad's entrance was really cool. but then it awkwardly broke the fourth wall and resolved itself poorly. I wish it would've just played it straight.
>>737410332>protagonist is just an average guy, maybe a bit skilled>halfway through the game you find out he's actually the super special chosen one
>>737410397Falseflagging shitskin detected. Nothing OP said is incorrect. I'm assuming you've never heard the term "story beat" in your favela.
>God was EVIL THE WHOLE TIMENot even a Christfag this shit is just incredibly tired at this point
>>737411075many games have "god and satan are both bad"what about games with "god and satan are both good"? do those exist?
>rich people are evil>pmc/police/army are evil
>>737411228unironically so true it's boring
>>737411075>Paradise Lost, but written by retards for the 1000th time
>a new good has gone to sleep
>>737411483>God got annoyed and leftsounds like a kino plot. Like Watchmen but fantasy.
>>737411551Wasn't this the plot of FFXIII
>>737411460That's not what Paradise Lost is about. That's what people who never read Paradise Lost and are just guessing think it's about. I wonder if a trope exists for people who misrepresent PL and think Milton wrote Satan as an antihero. On topic though: zombies. Just zombies in any way shape or form. Stay away from that shit as a writer it never goes anywhere good.
>>737410332your character is a member of:>the rebellion>the resistance>the opposition>the uprising>the revolution
>The random dude you met for like five minutes and came out of nowhere was the mastermind behind the entire game
>>737411912I think that's why anon added "But written by retards"
>>737412152The only one I can think of is Persona 4
>someone kills you and you have to travel back in time to find out who it is
>I can single handedly exterminate a small army of apocalyptic enemies>in cutscenes I'm using a basic, entry level pistol to shoot and miss a moving car>I can't sprint for more than a handful of seconds>I can lift a squadmate the size of a rhino with one arm
>>737412668Oh wait op said story beats oops
>>737410332>The protagonist from the first game is the villain in the second gameBoth actually the villain and fake out (Fuck you Symphonia 2).
>>737410332>kill 10000s of well armed powerful goons >cutscene>lose to the main bad guy who would realistically get skullfucked by the protagonist wins in the cutscene due to plot armor because they need le epic gimmicky boss battle in the end
>>737410332>Your companion for the game gets injured and you're forced thought a 15 minute walking session to heal them
>Actually, I didn't betray the party.>I was just testing your resolve!Oh FUCK OFF.
>game's about to end, you beat the bad guy that you've seen the whole story>except no it isn't because a random guy that has zero story presence was actually behind him
>slitting throats, choking into breaking necks, gunning down, and blowing up mooks like genocide is going out of business>gotta save the boss though, otherwise we'd be the same. Can't have that.>>737414010Arcanum was great about this, probably the perfect execution of this trope. If only the combat was better
>>737414259Arcanum was executed many narrative and plot points (almost) perfectly, so it's only natural that it underperformed and the IP is now stuck in some company's vaults. Damn shame really.
>>737414259I don't know what Arcanum is, but the only game i can defend it in is KI Uprising since Hades is an actual character and not some HP wall that shows up 80 hours in
>>737410332>a newborn good has fallen asleep
>We gotta run from the LAW!!!>scripted chase>run away like 2 miles>no more chasing>WE LOST EM!!great now the world feels small and the stakes are dead
>>737410332>minor misunderstanding occurs>protagonist is completely abandoned by their companions that they've fought alongside for months>things instantly go back to normal once the misunderstanding is resolved
>This world of magic and fantasy was actually post apocalyptic Earth the entire timeAnd somewhat related because this usually follows from above>Magic vs Technology powerlevel shitThey both can be done well, but it's so rare. Arcanum is probably the poster child for the second done well, but the first has so many misses. If bottom of the barrel fantasy novels like Shannara are in the top 10% of relevant stories things are bleak.
>>737414556>go back to said town>no reaction at all from NPCs, just business as usual
>>737412152>>737412417ff15
>>737414616>cyberpunk>be involved with the murder of The King of The Surveillance State>drones chasing us>this world is super tracked and monitored>oh fuck how do we get outta this one?>hide in dinky hotel>all is fineCmon
>at the end of the game you erase/reset everything you did from memory and everyone forgets you except maybe one person
>Rags get taken off
>We'll infiltrate the secure building through the convenient giant air vents>Quick! We'll have to escape through the giant sewer!
>"i cant open this door i need to get to a manual override that's a thousand miles away"
>use this bomb to blow a hole in the wall to get it!>oh no a fence we must go around!
When the game is trying to set up some form of “oh my god you did evil thing” but doesn’t have any way around it but then acts like it got you. Like I was playing far cry 5 and there was a part where you shoot one of your friends as part of a story beat while you’re rushing through an area, but I realized in time and kinda just sat there and tried to find ways to not do it, and couldnt so I basically had to kill him.Then the game did the stupid “WOAHHH HAHA WE GOT YOU! YOU DIDNT EVEN NOTICE IT WAS YOUR FRIEND HAHA, YOU JUST FELL FOR OUR TRAP YOU STUPID!” Like I fucking hate when games do that. It’s astounding to me that even fucking call of duty (BO2) of all things managed to give you a way out of your were smart enough
>main character has super strenght, can jumo high and is an agile climber>way is blocked by waist-high rubble so he is forced to take a detour around it
>>737411008Japs REALLY love their chosen one slop.Can't have an underdog story anymore without the underdog turning out to be the son of omega satan or whatever
>>737415334Meanwhile in the MC's inventory>crowbar>explosives>shotgun>lockpicks (but they don't work on this particular door)>The Sword of Slicing Anything>Unlock Door spell
>you meet a character that has answers to everything but they just say some vague sentence and disappear
>>737415140>Isekai/timetravel story>can romance characters>at the end of the game, you return to your own world/time and never see them againterrible trope
>>737411075>demons and hell or a hell equivalent exist >angels, god and a heaven equivalent do not exist
>the sketchiest most double crossy guy is trusted implicitley right up until the inevitable betrayalEvery time
>it was all a dream
>two global superpowers going to war>turns out it was actually a conspiracy by the evil third country manipulating both of them>defeat the evil country and world peace ensures
>>737411075The "God is evil" shit is Gnosticism, which the Japanese love for some reason.Madoka is my favorite example because I didn't get the connection until I went to therapy and the psychologist starter talking about tachyons.
>Game is all about choosing between Side A or Side B>Game claims that each side is supposed to have valid points and could both be seen as the good guys>Side A is all about love and peace with a land full of puppies and rainbows>Side B is Satan Land and everyone there is an ugly bastard aside from a handful of people that are meant to show that they aren't ALL cartoonishly evilBonus shit points if there's a golden ending you can get where you unite both sides which makes the choice of picking either side completely pointless.
God kill humanity with the power of hate
>>737410332>super-duper-final-for-real boss is actually just the minion of a villain you don't see until the last 1% of the game>main characters get framed and 100% of everyone believes the accuser, regardless of how big of a hero you are at that point>spend the majority of the game gathering "The Seven Gems Of Literally Instakilling Notts-atan Seriously That's All They Do"... and Notts-atan just shrugs it off because ??? too powerful now or something???>villain from new game one-shots the old villain, solely to show how powerful the new guy is and that's it>party member betrays you for reasons entirely off-screen despite the fact you physically control them in fights>villain is so socially and financially powerful that the writers can (and do) pull rando good guys out of their ass to secretly work for the villain with zero hints beforehand>mind-control villain's mind control can be broken, but there's no concrete rules for it, so it only happens whenever there's the most emotional impact and literally never any other time>character/villain has a power that can never fail, and is proven to never fail, only for villain/character to resist/dodge it because ???>anything having a "final form" at the last secondBonus one that applies to both anime AND some JRPGs>MC is great at a specific skill, like they're a great librarian and have perfect memory, and it's half their personality, but they can't fight>gets put into combat scenarios by force, like a foreign nation is attacking their village looking for mythological treasure hidden under the church>MC does pretty well because they studied that nation's language, remember where armor weak points are, who the commander is, how best to beg for mercy when shit goes downhill>chapter 1 finally starts >by chance/destiny, gain fighting powers / become Super Saiyan / become a werewolf / become the chosen one, whatever>MC's perfect memory, wide knowledge, and their past as a librarian never comes up ever again
>>737413919This is almost every DMC game
>>737415529Persona 5 actually did a good job flipping that trope on it's head.Unfortunately the writers knew they did a good job because after they pull off the trick, the game spends the next 15 minutes forcing you to watch an explanation about how they came up with such a clever plan that fooled the betrayer.
>arrive at thing>I can't believe it, it's thing we needed this whole time>let's stand around and gawk at it instead of just getting it>oh no the bad guy is here>muawahahahaha I'll be taking thing now>oh no, we were too late, we lost thing
>trained military officer loses their shit and goes full angsty melodrama when one of their comrades gets captured/MIA during an all scale war
>>737410860>Dragalia LostThe story was kind of off the rails, but the dragons were hot. Also.>Game has giant birds/wyverns, call them dragons
>the enemies that the game forced you to kill are actually... le good, feel bad
>>737415885What is every piece of Japanese media ever?Korean and Chinese too, all of East Asia has the same problem.
>first game has like three characters of note>second game seemingly has only two of them return>a MYSTERIOUS HOODED ENEMY HAS APPEARED WHO COULD IT BE????
>>737410332>there was once a much more advanced civilisation before this one that died out through mysterious circumstancesI only hate it when it's used to just insert high tech into a fantasy setting. Bonus points when the ancient civ's reason for dying out is never a plot beat. Sometimes explained in flavour text somewhere or sometimes never said at all.>>737410428>hates literal kinofag
>>737416087>ancient superpowered hyperadvanced civ died to some enemy you easily curbstomp despite being a hairless ape compared to the progenetor civ that lost to them
>Imprisoned section>inventory confiscated >enemies have shit weapons to deal with you as you're defenseless while escaping>All your high end gear/weapons is in a single brown burlap sack by the exit
>>737416087>there was once a much more advanced civilisation before this one that died out through mysterious circumstancesI'm kinda doing this, only their "death" was self inflicted on purpose.
>>737410332>game spends a solid minute explaining a powerful ancient evil and the struggles and sacrifices mankind has taken to seal it away>is unsealed by a random hillbilly trailer trash kid playing around>it is then hit and killed by a car or shot by the kid's drunk dad not even 30 seconds later>rest of the game is a comedy action game
>>737410397Good morning sir
>>737410332>protag is a pretty cool and enjoyable dude to play as>sequel introduces a new character that completely shits on the old protag>they get little to no blow back from the story for this>bonus points if the protag concedes to the new character or dies a stupid death
>>737410332People always whine about "le ancient ebil" but I don't see it. Where are the games with ancient evils? Any fun ones despite the uh, tired "trope"?
>>737416792Halo 4
>>737415506>Heaven is real but everyone's a stuck-up prick that literally, figuratively and metaphorically looks down on everyone, and is probably also racist and sexist>Hell is cool and gay and sexy, and it's a party all the time, and any actual ""problematic"" people/sins aren't represented there because the writer's a pussy and doesn't want to glorify "icky" people>head writer/dev running the whole thing is a woman/"woman" with mental issues who 100% hates her/"her" parentsBonus points if they have a "cool witchy name".>>737410332>villain parallels/parodies the views of some IRL stuff/people and he's making great points, but then he goes off the deep end and raping children while glassing entire cities and drinking fetus blood because you were never supposed to agree with him and the writers want to hammer in that if you agree with the villain you're also a rapist pedo cannibal. (Or he gets humiliated to an extreme degree, like the Joker movie sequel where J gets raped)>cool thing shows up in a game(/movie/show) but it's too expensive to animate so it gets destroyed almost immediately, usually jobbing to something too>villain wants to destroy the world despite being from that world AND not wanting to die himself>gods are all weak-ass pussies that job to the first thing that comes along for some reason regardless of whatever feats they had as gods before dyingAlso:>ultra-powerful antagonist does all the "you're weak, pathetic trash, not worth my time" shit and pivots to the "no, this is impossible! How could I be beaten by-" when he's beaten because kids and Japan thinks it looks coolThat one holds a special place in my heart because it's one of the most stupid tropes that gets incredibly overused all the time forever, and it's always a shit character.>>737416684Ahh, Star Wars and Star Trek. RIP.
>the enemy that's been killing us for centuries was misunderstood all along, let's be friends now
>>737410332>antagonists are mind-controlled or zombies>their collective name is just a synonym of THE LOST / CORRUPTED / FORSAKEN
>>737412152kino trope
>protag is powerful enough to kill monsters>still needs keys to open doors
>>737416909Not even. Dead Rising 4. They butcher Frank's character in order to make the new girlboss journo look better and then he dies because zombies learned how to make a ladder of themselves. It is utter dogshit.
>>737410428This is kino and very rare in vidya, at least as far as I know. Terrible post.
>MC is such a pussy good boy that he tries to save the villain at the end>Said villain was giga hitler who committed countless atrocities and raped the MC's dog>Villain accidentally ends up killing himself so that he can still die without making the MC look the slightest bit bad>MC mopes and wonders if he could've saved giga hitler if he just tried harder with offering him friendship
>Protagonist has a vision or remembers something>Party Member: "What's up?">Protag: "N-Nothing... don't worry about it...">Accidentally play into the hand of the bad guy because the protagonist didn't tell anyone about his vision or memory
>>737416087>Bonus points when the ancient civ's reason for dying out is never a plot beat.i hate that, but i love "the species that killed the entire progenitor species died out because it exhausted its food supply
>>737417186>>Said villain was giga hitler who committed countless atrocities and raped the MC's dogWhat game? I really need to play this.
>>737410332>villain has conquered 95% of the city/lands/world/galaxy and is easily curbstomping the rest because he's infinitely powerful because ???>villain's faction is comparatively invincible and doesn't take any losses ever because ??? and this isn't really explained either>you carve your way through the villains like any other game and the game can't really come up with any good reason for why/how you can do this other than maybe some vague "gumption / heart / willpower" thing
>"i fight this war and command this army BUT I DONT KILL!"yeah ok you just nonlethally stabbed that guy through the ribs
>>737416940That one is programming, straight up.
>>737410332>that seemingly nice character that's been your ride-or-die turns out to be an evil traitorI hate those cheap twists.
>>737417186Ah, yes, the ol' "protagonist never has to do anything they don't want to".
>>737415005The world of cyberpunk doesn't operate like you think it does, trannime fag.There's no traditional internet, therefore there's no traditional form of information transfer. Your character gets eye implants at the start of the game, that hides your identity in real time from every camera everywhere. You have a LAN literally installed in your head, and fucking ports for wired connection.You're low IQ.
>>737410332>LE GOOD MAN WAS........CORRUPTED BY....LE EVIL MAGIC!?!?!?!??!?!!???????
>beat boss in battle>then lose to them in cutscene afterwards
>>737417613>Enough!
>>737417613Alt + F4No, just no.
>>737417613>does some fuckhuge attack that hits the entire tri-county area afterwardsWhy didn't he just lead with that shit
>>737417553you allow trans to control your mind unprovoked they won
>>737416270Huh, now that I think about it. I've never seen a game where guards "borrowed" your stuff.I know those poor blokes would steal all your shit and never come back.Having a quest to actually find all your stolen items could be fun.
>>737416270I love that shit. Especisially if it's an RPG and you have the chance to develop abilities that don't rely on gear.Like the prison level in Skyrim. I turned into a werewolf and ate everyone.
>>737410428https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9fGXAM-VZU
>>737417321Sorry anon, there is no dog rape. That was just something I made up. Switched around a few other details too as to not completely spoil things, but I was mostly thinking about how pic pissed me the fuck off with what happens with Alphen and VholranDon't play it, shit sucks.
>>737417553Anon, you have wireless comms and wirelessly hack enemies in the fucking tutorial. Traditional forms of information transfer and the internet absolutely exist, just not the World Wide Web.The reason you're not haunted down immediately is because the chase at the start was basically just for the sake of appearance. Everyone involved knows you didn't do fucking shit and the second you took too much effort to scapegoat on the spot everyone focused down on the internal turmoil and figuring out what to do with the corporation losing its founder.
>>737414559Name a single videogame
>>737417735>"I was just merely pretending to be on your level.">*waits until the MC and his crew become much stronger before he busts out the Godfucker form again*>*loses*
>>737417186VC4 did this right, because the protag is your average japanese beta male, but at the very end of the game he's ready to nuke everyone to shit, and then HQ tells him that the enemy surrendered and he no longer has to fire the warheads. But he's lost everything to war already, and he even sent his best friend (and a NPC soldier of your choice) to death, so he barely stops himself from pushing the button. But he knows that his rage will consume him eventually, so he quits and leaves before he does something stupid, like starting a revolution and dragging more people into a stupid conflict.
>>737416684Double bonus points if the new protag is a girlboss.
>Cutscenes has characters surrounded with their being tons and tons of enemies around>Combat starts>Only really 2 or 3 actually in combat with the rest being just in the background
>>737417735Hubris.
>you’re the chosen one, hero!
>>737410332>the ancient evil wins and the game is a tragedy
>>737415196>skies of arcadia
>>737417512>zero hint of this outside of a "sitting on the inn bed, glances at you, looks down, sighs once, goes to sleep" moment in a cutscene 30 hours ago that doesn't even seem that much out of place>randos online swear this is 5D writing>>737417885Not entirely related, but Minecraft does this, if I remember right.(I always have keep inventory or some grave / death chest mod on, and I'm keeping that on until Mojang decouples item despawn distance from render/simulation distance. I get sick of my shit disappearing ages before I get there just because I'm playing on a decent PC / handheld.)Still though, letting enemies have access to equipment outside of their norm is always a risk for a game to implement. I remember either Titan Quest or Grim Dawn (probably both?) having a system where enemies use what they'll drop (if applicable) and sometimes you'd just get one-shot by a random enemy just because the nigga spawned with The Fuck You Sword of Instant Death + 9999999999, or they barely take any damage because they're wearing some helmet with 9999999999 defense and 9999999999999 HP regen.
>Cutscene>you walk into a room>doors close>green sleeping gas >*skyrim opening music starts playing*
>>737417186This trope is okay if the MC gets completely FUCKED for trying to be a good boi hero, and then spends the rest of the game murdering the shit out of any other villains.I will even accept a redemption arc at the end of a story like that where the MC does realize that there's some value in mercy again.
>>737415431>Unlock Door spellThe lock is immune to picks and is warded against simple spells
dark falz tempting people to come to ragol and then when the pioneer 1 colony go missing and you have to piece together ricos datapods, discovering piece by piece that she accidently unleashed an evil elder god and became its host.. its pure kino
>>737417613>Scripted loss in story>Beat boss battle>Extra scene where he cheats>Dialogue in the original scene changes to reflect he cheated.
>>737418263someone needs to make that a mod in skyrim
>follow behind npc for literally any reason at all
>>737417613>>737418451>beat boss you're not supposed to>game just ends
>>737418234>Still though, letting enemies have access to equipment outside of their norm is always a risk for a game to implement.So what? If those are optional you just unlocked yourself a new challenge. Like I said you don't fight them naked because they aren't even in the prison anymore.It would also mean the game itself has a lot of bullshit in general where all the power comes from items. Depending on how far into the game that event would happen it could also not do much.Not a problem if dev play test their games.
>>737418516>have to follow npc in tow/city>they are walking whole time>players walking speed is either slower or faster than npc making you have to sprint or stop.
>>737410860>lmao im not actually evil because im just trying to enstate survival of the fittestThat one always fucking sucks, because for some reason its always a giant global war where whether you live or die is 100% based on fucking luck, and not something like setting up scholarships for top students and athletes then encouraging them to have kids.
>>737410332I liked it in Halo 4. Because it was a meta call to how Microsoft raped their biggest gaming IP for well over a decade now.
>>737418581Disgaea 2 Etna fight, I'm still mad.
>>737418617Sometimes I'll just hit the Wait key if it's fallout/elder scrolls and hope they warp to wherever they're going, but a lot of the time these retards just stop and wait.Get a move on, quit walking like someone who just came out of surgery.
>>737418617That's why Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk are the GOAT, because the escorted NPCs set their walking/running speed to you. CDPR doesn't care if you miss some fluff dialogue this way.
>>737418617The greatest thing Rockstar ever did was make it so you just have to hold a button to follow characters in those stupid segments where you have to follow them around while they talk to you.
>>737418046Triple bonus points if the girlboss is better than the old protag in every single way.
>driving car while ingame convo is going on>have to stop just before mission location or their dialogue gets cut>>737418717If they're going to go that route, just make it a cutscene. Hell, it already should have been one.
>>737415687>>737415653So we're shitting on fire emblem fates? Could probably make a entire thread just based on that game.
>>737412152I raise you FFIX>beat the ultimate big bad guy>but WAIT!>there's MORE!:D>literally who evil god JRPG boss appears from thin air>refuses to elaborate>leaves (you don't even kill him)
>>737418581The entire ZHP game is built around this concept, losing to win and winning to lose. Interesting game if you like Disgaea and the other games in its... "umbrella".
>>737410332>character becomes or is established as being strong and/or competent, able to go toe to toe with other more powerful characters and/or is capable of overcoming insurmountable odds but gets killed unceremoniously at the end of the game (or the games sequel) because the plot demands it
>>737418826Wasn't the game that I had in mind, but it's always appropriate to shit on the writing of FE Fates.>Game sells itself on the premise of choosing blood family or the family that raised Corrin>Turns out that Corrin isn't actually related to the blood family, so why the fuck would you ever pick them>This was only done so it wouldn't be icky if the player chose to marry Corrin to one of their "blood" relatives>btw the main girl in the game is Corrin's cousin and marrying her is just fine
>>737410332>Japanese game>The older, kind mentor character is the twist villain
>the church is secretly evil
>>737419307pic just reminds me of how retarded all NTR plots are>"HAHA, I raped you girl. Now continue to have sex with me or else I'm going to release pictures of you being raped by me to the public.">"I'll do it Cock Maximus, just don't release the photos or else my life will be ruined because ???"
>an hour into a game>some character dies>sad music starts playing>game expects me to care I don't even know this nigga.
>>737418774>play Death Stranding>sometimes some licensed music kicks in and the camera adjusts to enhance the "vibe" on some special/emotional outings and a bunch of the early missions>if you get too close to rain, any enemies, any residential areas, any cutscene triggers, or your final stop, the music cuts out>even for a new player, most of these songs wont finish on your trips because most missions with song triggers interrupt you with a BT encounter or some other event, and a lot of the story missions are short as hell too and might not last the whole song>the music's generally pretty good and more people get upset about it cutting out than not>outside of those scripted music triggers and a few weird random triggers I've come across, the only places to listen to it is in static locations, there's no portable music players, and fuck sitting around just to listen to music you can look up on Youtube the speedway lets you play whatever music though>the whole game cuts off most songs due to how things work, minus one(?) song that's scripted to play to the endI've beaten the game like 5 times now and I've only heard a tiny handful of songs all the way through.>>737411075That's one of the reasons I like the Dragon Quest games. Even if they downplayed the Christianity, and not all DQ games do it, saving at the church is really refreshing for a JRPG.>>737418837I think he was moreso referring to the secret main villain being some random NPC you saw once once one scene 50 hours ago that smirked a bit oddly and said "oh?" when you mention the Power Shards of Light near him, who you then never see again until the end of the game, not a villain that randomly appears out of nowhere. FF9 was legitimately just like "oh yeah, uh, that wasn't Final Fantasy enough for you? Here, have some evil god we probably recycled from 7 or 8. There."
>>737410332Forced loss, especially when it happens in a cutscene after easily whooping the enemy in gameplay.
>>737419505>Game starts>Introduces the MC's parents>"Oh boy, I sure love my mom/dad. Can't wait to continue living my peaceful life with my very alive mom/dad."
>>737419420NTR logic doesn't have to make sense because the entire premises is held up by magical reasoning anyways.
>protag gets into a situation where he is surrounded by enemies with firearms>instead of shooting, they decide to approach the protag with their firearms so they can get their ass beat
>>737419596I like seeing the starting village getting razed into the ground.Getting brutally ripped from your past comfy life is very common theme.You get to start your life anew with a clean slate even if that slate is cracked in the process.
>>737419420I like nitpicking NTR as much as the next guy but how did you come to this thought with what you replied to
>>737418961The best part is you only find out the blood related family aren't blood related if, and only if, you choose to marry them.They wait until the player actively chooses the incest before revealing it's not incest.
>>737419740That anon's pic is from a Lilith-soft game (I think, maybe I've got that wrong) and almost all of their shit is NTR content.Which then reminded me that NTR plots are dumb.
>>737418263At least that trap sounds reasonably dangerous. Some games have random enemies ambush you and it's the same shit you've been fending off the entire game. Half Life was the worst. Oh no, they cut the lights and bonked you on the head... you wear powered armor with its own light as a gameplay mechanicThey should just shoot you in the head afterward instead of leaving you in an easily escapable trap because I'm done playing that shit either way
>>737419505>me watching Fullmetal Alchemist>Nina gets doggo'd>everyone gets shocked like hell as if she vented pus-covered maggots from every orifice in slow motion>I get confused because she's just some rando background character with like 2 minutes of cumulative screen time, not nearly enough time to make any connections with her, and she's just about the most generic little innocent girl in all of anime too, with a super generic voice and design>doggo form isn't even really suffering or horrifying or anything either, basically just a dog with human hair and oooooo blank eyes!I assume this is just an anime problem and that she was probably around and alive for more of the manga, but man, the idea behind it was fine, but it just didn't click in practice.
>>737419885Hmm fairBut still NTR is mainly for women because its always just "what if you finally got really good dick for hours"
>world ending threat is called The Corruption or some weak variation of it
>>737419596>game starts>"i sure to love mom and dad">old village leader tells me to investigate rumors from out of town
>>737419909I knew someone would mention Half-Life, I rolled my eyes so hard when that happened.I wish someone made a video compilation of all the games where this shit happens.
>>737419921I was expecting for you to say >she is more sexy this way anywayDisappointing.
>money found in ancient unexplored dungeon is still considered legal tender and is accepted by merchants without question
>>737420054the corruption - Terraria. the gloom - Zelda. the blight - dragon age origins. The Flood - Halo. The Endless - Halo again. The Darkness - Destiny, Hollow Knight. The Taken - Destiny again.
>>737417959MFW no game where villain raped my dog, making it extra irredeemable so that I have no option but to torture and kill him.
>world and lore know I am the ultimate hero sent here to save the day>oh you want the Demon King Killing Arrow of Light?>500 goldJUST???GIVE IT TO ME??ITS RIGHT THEREWE CAN HAVE ALL THE GOLD AND SPLENDOR WHEN IM DONE
>>737420185gold is gold though, merchants probably wouldn't care if you dropped a stack of it on their counter if it had a face on it that they didn't like minted onto it.
>>737410332>some bullshit happens and the main character becomes incapacitated and you have to save him as some shitty side character>the main character is de-powered or loses his gear and therefore can no longer fightI have never ever liked that shit, especially when the enemy has the opportunity to kill the character outright in their weakened state but they just don't do it
>>737420185>tfw in Morrowind you find all kinds of ancient Dwemer coins that no merchant is willing to accept, because it's illegal to sell them on the basis of lol, this shit is ancient and should be put in some Imperial museum.
Not story but>character online gets memed on the internet as a cool character and has millions of fans >decide to play the game because of this character, because the memes are funny and it seems like a cool character >character IS cool but shows up for five minutes and the rest of the game is shit
>>737419137>Have to kill the old master>"I wasn't actually evil, I just had to test you and now that you've killed me, I know you're strong enough to go after the evil villain."nigga you could've just told me
>>737410332>the void dimension
>its a: "The Hubworld that has everything you need is temporary unavailable for a large swath of the game and you must deal with not having access to it for 3 chapters" episode
>>737419909Old-school Tomb Raider games were VERY notorious about it. Because it was a tradition that we need to have a no-gear level at some point in every game, we needed to have a segment where Lara just bumbles her way into some blatant trap or does something so incredibly stupid she gets captured. Cutscene incompetence.
>>737420523>get to go into the void dimension>it's just a swirly purple place with floating rocks everywhere
>>737410860>we sealed it awayPotentially kino
>The {religious entity} is the enemy the whole time
>>737418635Its like people forgot eugenic policies doesnt involve outright murder and genocide. The US used to do it before some dipshit went too far.
>the protagonist goes to Hell>it always looks like some heavy metal album with red rocks, chains and rivers of lavaSeriously, the only game that had an interesting representation of Hell was Painkiller.
>game has cast of competent heroes>possibly the protags of the first game>they all stand around doing nothing and always force you to kill bad guys>only show up to be killed in cutscene
>>737420179I'll take an anthro version, if that counts.
>>737411075Almost every JRPG just does "God is good but doesn't interact with people, the church that uses their name and legacy is evil." Which is a message more about the failings of mankind than any flaws of the divine. Most Tales of games, Fire Emblem, and the rest follow that trend.
>Shoot the boss a million times with my giga god buster negro gun>Cutscene shows the boss a bit bruised and covered in little splotches of blood>Dies in the cutscene to a single attack by a relatively shitty weaponBonus points if the boss has some regenerative ability yet still dies to this. I'm looking at you, Resident Evil games.
>>737410332>og hero gets humiliated so the new oc donut can take his place. oc donut is better in every way>story purposefully ignores Thing that could've prevented the entire game's events just so it can continue with the stupid story, this bleeds into sequels and makes this moment worse>sequels completely misses the point of the story and/or characters>remake turns everything into a joke or cuts important events>hero coulnd't have saved the day if this annoying npc wasn't around to save him during a stupid contrived moment in the story that was only added there to rob the hero of his glory at the end.>classic hero is killed off in a spiteful humiliating way for no real reason>story gets dumber and dumber and you're supposed to accept it because "no one cares about the story" so consistency doesn't matter at all>game is set in specific time and era, the world is a melting pot and everyone sounds modern, and accents from different parts of the world>nobody takes things seriously even during life and death situation>hero forgives the villain>game pretends an evil character is good/misunderstood just because they're on your side>the bad guy has a valid point but everyone doesn't acknowledge it>game presents a ridiculous moral choice like save a baby or destroy a planet with a meteor>game present a pointless choice like save a stranger or save your wife, only to be brushed off aside and have zero revelance to the story>characters treat you like you were born yesterday or didn't debrief before the mission>characters remind you they're related to you out of the blue>story acknowledges plothole as if that will fix the problem somehow>remake makes references to events that haven't happened yet>remake expects you to have previous knowledge of the original game but doesn't add that knowledge in the game or future sequels, or remake sequels.>sequel acknowledges event in the old game that the remake didn't>sequel acknowledges both remake and sequel
>protag is an overly emotional, trigger-happy retard>every other character points this flaw out all the time>there's never a situation where this flaw actually leads to a negative outcome
>JRPG>MC is a mute or generic nice guy>Somehow a pussy magnet for every girl he comes across>All your male party members are depicted retards and women flee at the sight of them
>>737411075I guarantee you can't name 3 games with thisAnd I mean God with a capital G, not a random "god of death" or something, but a capital G God of everything
>Demon lord spawns>Most powerful in history and the current heroes of the world cant do anything against him>Said demon lord refuses to steamroll the world and just stays in his domain patiently for the new hero to grow up
>>737420851I have a feeling the Japanese really have something against Catholicism. Apparently they like the style, but they find the relligion itself incomprehensible.That, or the Portugese really had spoiled the image of the Christian in the Japanese culture.
>>737420960I like when theyre just waiting for a good fight and dont really care about world domination Just happy to finally face you
>Spend Game 1 stopping X thing from happening to save the world>Game 2 is about acquiring and using the X thing to destroy the bad guy which also destroys the world in the process>"Well... It's time to rebuild" camera pans out to a sunrise over a destroyed cityMate fuck off I'm crine
>>737420879I'm going to make a franchise with all of these
>>737420879I got halfway through your list before I realized you were just listing separate examples.I was about to ask what fucking mess of a game has all this shit in it.
>>737418961Should have just made every set of siblings intelligible to marry. But IS knows the series has no dignity left and most fags play it as a dating sim with a TRPG window dressing.
>>737410332>Comfy adventure game>Sidequest where you have to help a literally who cope with his mom dying for like two hours>Back to comfy adventureWho writes this shit?
>>737421376That's a... very specific example.
>>737418961THE BABY DIMENSION
>>737420291I know Nostalgia Critic is more well known, but Mr. Enter is more autistic and was more critical of Spankbang.>>737420552Pokemon Mystery Dungeon?
>>737410860>ancient evil is more powerful than the heroes>they couldn't beat him so they somehow seal him away>thousands and thousands of years of peacethen you did beat him?>ancient evil escapes for reasons>you're given the task of defeating him despite being less powerful than ancient evil or the people that sealed ancient evil>somehow you actually beat him
>>737410332>futuristic morally gray entity goes to sleep
>>737420960>Destroy the world>Rule over the ashes for the eternityor>Don't destroy the world>Make the world a better place in the endIt's retarded logic but it works.
>>737420421......AND he won't be in the sequel.
>>737410860>lmao im not actually evil because im just trying to enstate survival of the fittest>really guys believe me, I'm not evil and super morally gray, you could even say I might be the hero>jk I actually am evil lmao
>>737421460I really love Frieren's version of this (spoilers because it's the best episode of the show)>Demon guy called Qual has insane killing magic nobody can defend against>Frieren's party seals him away instead of beating him because they just can't>100 years later the seal eventually crumbles, immediately meets Frieren again along with Fern>They exchange pleasantries briefly before Qual unleashes the killing magic again>Fern blocks it easily and asks Frieren if this is killing magic>She says yes>Fern says "But it's just basic magic?">In those 100 years humanity studied the killing magic and refined it, along with defenses against it, so greatly that it's just basic magic now>Easily kill Qual
>>737410332Ancient evil never sleeps.
>>737421723>Pick the Louis ending>Game just endsI wish I could at least see the hell-scape in the world I helped to create.
>og hero becomes the bad guy>he's right>new heroes agree he's right but still stop him>new heroes never provide an answer
>>737421771>spoilerThey stole that from Buffy.
>>737421771I actually liked this because it reminded me of how the development of antibiotics suddenly BTFO'd so much otherwise lethal shit.
>>737421416Not necessarily the mom every time but off the top of my head>Skyrim>Dragon's Dogma>The Cruel King and the Great Hero>Dragon Quest 11have some variant of this
>>737419921I feel you.I've been watching the series for the first time myself recently and after the doggening all I could think of it was 'that was it?'I don't know how something so tame garnered such notoriety as a trauma-inducing scene.
>>737410332>humanity enters a galactic community where almost every civilization is 10 times more advanced that humans>humans still win because of their unique ingenuity/willpower/soul
>>737411228You prefer fantasy games?
>>737417885Silksong did this
>>737410332>cliffhangers>obsessively tying irrelevant new story to old, more relevant media>explaining the plot to the mutt audiences>explaining the plot multiple times to the mutt audiences because they were on phones>final encounter with villain happens at a vortex of blue-tinted light
>>737415885this one is realistic, there's been so many casualties caused by soldiers blindly jumping into action to save their wounded/surrounded/dead comrades
>>737417186>Villain accidentally ends up killing himself so that he can still die without making the MC look the slightest bit badYou got me.
>>737422329Yea, but only for a moment.
>>737414559I'll do you one better>Minor misunderstanding occurs>You're the silent protagonist so you just kinda let it all play out even if your character canonically can and should clear up the situation easily
>>737415334>I can't get through this wide-gapped, ladder-shaped, structurally weak fence/gate, I'd better find a key or a way around
>>737422336>they were on phones*skipped the dialogue*
>>737412152Fucking Prophecies man, take me back to a simpler time
>>737418007It's not exactly the same. But there's a bit in Persona 5 that's literally>Party Member A constantly insults Party Member B throughout the game>Minor insult is thrown back by Party Member B>Party Member A defects and tries to kill everyone in the party>Party member that gave the minor insult is forced to apologize and then everything is fine
>Faction leader says church bad>Privately admits the church itself is fine just the head of it needs to go>Never tells their army, the opposing army, or civilians this so everyone assumes it's a war of faith not deposing a figurehead>Countless people die over this>Faction leader is presented as the good guy
>>737410332I specifically hate it when it's>An ancient evil has REawoken because it does that every 20,000 years and you're the unlucky cuck who has to slap it back into its hole Protagonism already deals with a lot of Right Time, Right Place, I get nothing out of knowing I'm the asshole who has to deal with it just because I was born at a bad time.
>>737410935shit was gay as fuck. only outdone by the epic twist at the end that the protagonist was just a middle aged japanese salary man the whole movie wearing a VR headset. what a waste of time that movie was.
>>737410332Oh and fuck>The ancient powerful evil we sealed away has been released>By confused common misunderstanding because we for some fucking reason decided to put a big red button and vague imagery on the doorThis is not a place of worship, move on, fuck's sake. The more threatening the evil, the more hassle needed to contain it, the more obnoxious it is when it's a door without so much as a "do not open (please)" sticky note on it.
>>737420851Monster Girl Quest has the church and its followers be good people, but the god they worship is evil (though they don't know this). I recall the pope even being depicted as a pleasant fellow, if stern.
>>737412152Baten KaitosKoudelka
>>737422847I hate retarded kot in P5.
>>737414451>I don't know what Arcanum isthe absolute state of nu/v/ browns
>>737422909I never liked that, because if the ancient evil is as dastardly and powerful as they say, how the fuck was it just forgotten that the seal was going to break in the year 20XX?Like I can kind of understand the "Oh, we thought it was just a legend." thing to a point. But if Blularg the Rape Demon actually killed millions and turned an entire city into a crater, you'd think some historians would make sure to remind everyone to keep track of that seal.
>game is about zombies>expect nobody calls them zombiesBonus points if the game makes fun of the fact they' re not called zombies
>>737410397>ESLIs the modern equivalent of>HAHA I SEE A MINOR SPELLING MISTAKE THAT MEANS I WIN!and you can't prove otherwise
>>737423183It's ezl trope.
>can't prove [me] otherwise
>>737423108Usually it's explained by stuff like "It was lost to time" or something like that
>>737418837Yeah that one didnt sit right with me
>>737417613>antagonist has sex with your gooorgeous wife
>>737423108Most writings get eventually lost or are only preserved in fragments. Also ancient tenets get reintrpeted, recompiled and retranslated, so the meaning can get lost or misinterpreted.
>>737418837That's not what happens at allNecron isn't "evil god", he's Death FF9 was always meant to have "Death" as the final villain. This is even more obvious when you find out that Hades was the initial final boss of the game, but was changed to Necron in development. You can still fight Hades in the final dungeon.The game's central theme is all about death. Dying, moving on from death, accepting your death, accepting someone elses death, etc. Of course death is the final boss. It was never going to be anything else.You can dislike it, that's fine, but calling him literally who just shows you're illiterate and didn't pick up on any of the games themes (and he does elaborate btw)
>>737419505SH4
I often read through these threads to see if any tropes are in the fantasy story I'm trying to right.
>>737410332>An ancient evil has awokenI only hate this if it's the premise for a sequel.
>>737410332>dragon turns into an elf princess forever, minutes after you meet
>>737415653belka will reclaim claybelka STRONG
>>737419594FUCK that nigga grovyle
>>737410332>An ancient evil has awoken>It's you, you were in the right back then and you are in the right now
>>737410332>Any fucking mention of "demon lord" and "hero"
>>737423042The sequel did a lot to redeem Ilias just by showing the losing side of the war in heaven. They managed to avoid being shown in the first game by virtue of being the sealed ancient evil that Ilias didn't want to set free just yet. In the sequel they're out and not only are they significantly more evil, they're also incompetent hypocrites who smugly go "all according to plan" as things fall apart around them.
>>737423564You're never going to avoid every trope, and these things become common enough to be tropes for a reason.You're better off trying to understand why these things make people irritated than just trying to avoid them at all.
>>737420608>>get to go into the void dimension>>it's just a swirly purple place with floating rocks everywhereat least warframe commits to it actually being a void.
>>737423698Of course. I'm not just blindly readjusting my story to try and fit everyone's tastes. I try to see why something is disliked first.
>>737423564You will fall into some pit-fall one way or the other.Just write more to become better at it.
>>737423564*writeI just woke up, gomen
>>737423742Yeah upon rereading I realize I jumped to an assumption there.Good luck on your writing anon.
>Artificial filler (Fuck the lighthouse in BoF3) just before a big climax moment
>>737423813It's fine, don't worry. I know that there are some people who try to appeal to everyone.>>737423783I think the only hated trope frequently posted in these threads that I like is the "Chosen One". I do think that it can be done in an interesting way, but I also realize that the examples I'm thinking of subvert it (like Anakin)
>>737410332If your weak ass doesn't want to fight the ancient evil, I'll do it for you
>you did it!>the evil and his minions are vanquished!>play post-game >minions are still here>nothing changed except some interesting skyboxes are replaced with normal sunny skyLame
>You can only complete sidequests/explore the entire world just before the room of the final boss where the game just ends
>>737415423That's because they're bugmen. If someone isn't a Divinely Chosen Dragon Blooded Emperor (TM) he can't be outstanding.
>Build up a fun evil villain >Kill him off extremely early>Game has no conflict/reason to be going on anymore>Final boss is some random who monster last second that is never hinted at
>>737423925>I think the only hated trope frequently posted in these threads that I like is the "Chosen One". I do think that it can be done in an interesting way, but I also realize that the examples I'm thinking of subvert it (like Anakin)The real stinker is how games/stories present the fact and the implication that fate is already known, the future is already written.In more authentic world people would treat you like a complete madman if you thought about yourself as some sort of hero, chosen by the gods.This is this how stories are written in books for little children, only evil people lie, evil people cannot do good things. Black and white, no nuance. In the end you want to get immersed into the experience, once suspension of disbelief stops working you stop giving a fuck.
>>737424404I'd add that this is also because fantasy stories usually have more definitive sources of authority. Modern culture is also used to scam artists who hide behind vague spirituality.For "realistic" chosen one stories, there would be a lot of doubters and frauds.
>>737411008>Protag is hyped to be the Chosen One>He's actually an average guy, the villain created the prophesy to trick someone into doing his biding>He still wins by using everything he learned on the journey + power of friendship
>>737410501Freedom and democracy
The "Chosen One" trope is usually bad because it causes readers to see the "strings" the author is pulling, imo.
>>737410501jewish indians
>>737420185https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countermark
>>737424958True, because of how interpretations of the story change over time. The culture from which the work originate create an imprint. Common fears, hopes or questions, of the author create themes.Many of those don't simply exist anymore.In the end you mostly remember interactions between characters, sometimes mundane on the surface but they will resonate with you somehow.In the most basic form the hero is someone who takes altruism to the extreme, in modern society it would be considered at least stupid.A lot of people would take advantage of a person like that to their own ends.Rarely games show once naive bright eyed hero turned into cynical disillusioned one, because of all the malevolence he experienced along the way.
>everyone must die because life is le suffering!!!Goddamn I hate that one, what a horrible motivation
i don't know the trope but whatever happened in E33, it also happened in altered carbon>Interesting mysterious premise>turns into muh family drama half way through
>>737426260>>737426558GORILLIONS must die
>>737410428loved seeing it in advance wars
>>737410332>Constantly taking damage throughout the game and tanking meaty hits>Die in a cutscene to a regular attack
>>737410501Women.
>party becomes so strong throughout the campaign that battles end as quick as they start with little-to-no intervention from you
>>737426965A tale as old as time
>>737427278>Proto-Superman
>the cool mentor/master character you became attached to dies to the villain
>>737426558>Story has an interesting premise>Turns into the author's therapy session halfway through
>one character from the party is given a strange amount of attention, even to the detriment of the other characters>the game tries very hard to make you like them>diesShocking, never saw that coming.
>This high-fantasy game is actually sci-fi with aliens and high tech
>Game is an allegory for depression and suicide
>>737412421>turns out it was you from an entirely different time loop
>>737427667Name 15 games that do thisHas this even happened outside of might&magic?
>Post about a Game being an allegory for depression and suicide>it's not actually, it's about completely different emotions but the poster doesn't know anything past "depression"
>>737418581I think this happened in Tales of Destiny
>You must face and defeat God
>>737427842Quite literally every single Final Fantasy>b-but what aboutYes, every single oneThere isn't a single Final Fantasy without a very technologically advanced pre-cursor race, it started all the way back at FF1 with LufeniaThat's 15 games right there
>>737410332Everything that is not OP. Keep your morally black leftist shit out of games.
>Anon is gay
>>737410397why do esls try to call out esls? if you really cared about the problem of esls on the site you would just lurk and not post. try doing that
>anon jerks off to bowser weight gain porn
>>737416940Fucking this, im still mad that Guild Wars2 came out with the "acktually, Ascalon geting nuked was their own fault and the charr ethnic clensing murderjdihad was missunderstood and only evil because of a small fraction in charge"
>>737410332>main character is a manchild for 40 years because of one incident >every time one installment betters the character some retard regresses him back to this
>Villain does evil things because... he's just evil
>>737427568>Soon gets replaced by nearly identical character
>>737428230That's true to real life
>>737428278This. I don't know why people get so hung up over "evil guy is......EVIL?!?!?"
>hero does good things because... hes just good!Even worse
>>737416940I hated Xenoblade 1 plot twist so much...
>>737428230That's basically Dio Brando and everyone loves him.
>>737410397good morning sir
>>737410428Horseshoe theory
>>737428261Make that>nearly (mechanically) identical character joins the party before the death occurs
>>737410694Punch-Out! was kino
>>737418581>DMC V prologue>ends if you take any damage, can beat the final villain right at the start>unlocks the next difficulty if you win
>>737428875I was thinking about pic related.What game do you have in mind?
>>737429004I assumed the anon was talking about Legend of Dragoon
>Defeat villain>They either don't seem to care as they die and/or are convinced that they have somehow won anyway and/or their plan can't be stopped despite their deathMaybe it is just me, but that is no fun. I want my villains to have a breakdown knowing they're a fucking dumb ass and a failure.
>>737415506Cute feet
>>737429004Monster Hunter Stories 3 also does this.
>>737415885The British SAS/French Resistance Campaign in Call of Duty 3
>Obviously lying character shows up >Entire party just asks him a couple of normal questions>Dodges half of them>Entire party is ok with this character joiningWhat games let you expose/kill the obvious judas before the betrayal actually happens?
>>737410332Not a story beat, but>all of the story is told through journal entries that you have to go out of your way to find
>lose to character in scripted fight>they join your party later>"damn this guy must be at least ten levels above me">hes one level higher and doesnt have the stats from his boss fightfuck this stupid shit im not putting him in my party
>>737429076I can think of one exception to this that was based.>Terry and Geese fight and Geese almost gets knocked off the tower (again)>Terry tries to save him this time as he's now a full on good guy that wants to redeem Geese>Geese tells Terry to fuck off and shove that redemption up his ass>Makes Terry drop him to his death as a final act of hatred and because he knows his death with fuck with Terry forever, literally letting him live on as a Nightmare.
>>737429349I don't know any where you can defuse that bomb before it goes off.But man it's so obvious in many games I just want to scream at the screen.
>>737429391>the entire story is told through conveniently left behind audio tapes>of course you have that one tape that someone recorded as they got killed, but the tape is just fine and has excellent cut off timingAt this point, I don't even hate it anymore. I just think it's funny.
>>737415529>le town hero is le big bad>everyone trusts him with their lives despite him being the most sketchy person around>literally committing murder and eating babies in front of everyone, nobody cares>literally uses evil satanic demon magic in front of everyone, nobody cares>is revealed to be "le bad guy all along????!?">defeat him and everyone goes "oh I always knew there was something bad about him" despite them spending the entire story polishing his knob
>Villain has a clear shot at killing the protagonist/his entire party>Starts gloating so that someone can swoop in and save the day, even if it's supposed to be a super pragmatic no-nonsense kind of villainI know it's for drama and shit, but come on man he's the guy. Just shoot him now and that's it, you get to monologue all you want after you secure the win.
>>737429730>find a note>"I don't have much time, they're onto me. I leave everything I own to my pet dog, Fido. Also the big bad is-">implied that the author was killed before finishing the note>the note is in pristine condition, perfect handwriting, and contained in a sealed envelope
>>737430262wild how video game notes peaked with pic and we still haven't reached those heights again
>>737412417>t. didn't pay attention
>>737410332>you can't kill this asshole who murdered tons of people and your waifu! That will make you as bad as him!I know it's antisemetic but I really need people all over the world to understand that killing and murder are not the same fucking thing.Killing bad people is not murder, murder implies innocence in some capacity.
>>737410501my dad ;_;
>>737416270I hate prison sections, every single time there's some stupid shit to make you go out like secret passage, person on the inside or some fire alarm and cells open
>>737411008>>737415423>unassuming love interest is revealed to be a princess or some other super special birthright
>>737410332>You are the last of your kind after a terrible cataclysm that befell your people>Except here's the dozens of other assholes of your kind who survived>The number gets higher with each new installment
>Love interest is your older mentor who is revealed to be a princess and also the villain>She dies an hour inYour response?
>>737412068I find it funny that FTL is almost unique in how the rebels are the antagonists for a change.
>Mustache twiling villain was actually... sympathetic and somewhat misunderstoodEvery single FFXIV villain
>>737420227>FloodAt least it made sense with the whole religious namery going on, but the endless are lame and gay, so gay the game died and the story too since they're shifting to remakes.
>leave town for FIVE FUCKING MINUTES>everybody is fucking deadin Tales of Phantasia, it was novel and cool, but then they did the SAME EXACT SHIT AGAIN in Berseria
>the hero slowly becomes like the villain>kills the villain anyway
>have to escort an NPC>their walk speed is slower than yours, and they stop every now and then for some reason or another>suddenly, they notice something and run off ahead three times faster than your run speed>have to spend an agonizingly long time to catch up to them, where their dumb ass got in a situation>get blamed for not keeping up
>church figure in a JRPG>named Bishop Falssoh boy i bet i can trust this guy!
>>737431095name one (1) game because that sounds hilarious
>>737432019I know of a Korean game where the princess guides the MC through the tutorial before backstabbing him and sacrificing him to the dungeon they're going through, but it takes a while for her to be defeated.
day 1 party member that you've been spent 20+ hours with suddenly gets sick and can't continue on the adventure. doesn't have a dramatic death or anything, just leaves and gets replaced by some fucking faggot that sucks. FUCK
>>737419636>borderline mentally disabled naive girl gets repeatedly drugged/enchanted and raped by big ugly bastard>said drug is ultra brainwashing drug/spell that makes you only want dick and nothing else>everyone around the girl, friends, partners, relatives, and so on, are unable to help because reasons>police do not exist, every authority is corrupt, morality is a suggestion, big ugly bastard has infinite resources to continue this foreverIt really is the most fantastical setting for any h-content. None of it makes since at any level.
>>737410332>Playing fantasy game>Villains are dragons, necromancers, demons, etc>''Oh btw, there's these Lovecraftian Ancient Ones that are a million times more dangerous than anything else if they ever wake up''>''No they're not a part of the plot or anything, I just felt like it added depth to the world if I added a bit of Lovecraft, teehee''Most hack writing that keeps happening again and again. You don't just hint at a Cthulu monster for world building purposes, it's so shallow.
>>737419420eastern societies have shame focused morality unlike the guilt focused morality of the western societies. in the west people don't do bad things because they feel bad when they do bad things, in the east people don't do bad things because it'd be bad if people found out
>>737431932>if you aren't ready for when they suddenly run ahead they can run so far ahead you fail the mission for "losing them"
>>737415736>>character/villain has a power that can never fail, and is proven to never fail, only for villain/character to resist/dodge it because ???God I hate this one so much.Come up with a clever way around the power or situation? Nah it just doesn’t work because power levels or some equally stupid handwave.But it makes retards clap like seals almost every time.
>>737432862it only, and ONLY works if the villain has the same power btw
>>737410428>the hero and the greater evil unite to defeat a evil
>>737431214>Varis>Valens>Vauthry>ZenosI can immediately think of 4 that aren't and that's just scratching the surface. XIV has plenty of unrepentant bad guy villains.
>Humanity is....le real evil monsters all long...
>>737410646>Villain is evil because some girl he liked diedThat is a weird thing to do, to become evil just like that.
>>737417885The First Fable has a prison escape section where you lose all your gear and get blocked from using spells but due to how unfinished fable is it lasts for like 15 minutes before you can reclaim your gear
>>737410646count bleck actually pulled it off btw
>>737410332Time travel. Other then Outer Wilds no other game has gotten it right for me.
>>737415379I love this clip.https://youtu.be/pTm2s5X3G1U
>The world is ravaged by demons, witches, etc>Inquisitors exist that hunt them>They're just regular men and women from the church who have volunteered to fight them>The Inquisitors are LE BAD btwWhy can't any depiction of the church be positive? They literally have the most dangerous job and the most noble goal in the world, yet because they're religious and are associated with "inquisitors" they have to be bad
>>737434018I remember playing some low budget anime game where humans and demons are trying to have a truce, and there is a big church run by a pope who HATES demons and wants to KILL all of them.However, every faction is depicted as reasonable (for the most part), and even the pope is treated as a tragic figure who genuinely wants to help people.She's also one of the romance options and has huge boobs, but that's irrelevant.
>>737410332>near the end of the game the villain's motivations behind his evil deeds are revealed>he just wanted to protect his own people>after you defeat him he is forgiven and gets what he needs to save his people anyway
>>737415736>>villain from new game one-shots the old villain, solely to show how powerful the new guy is and that's itGod I hate this shit. I hate when it happens to protags, too. Like there's some NEW threat(tm) that MUST be 1000% more powerful than the last one and it's so good it instakills the old protags. Or when it's some NEW good guy(tm) that's 10000% cooler than stinky old protags and he just bails them out for free like 3 times and then takes over completely because he's just THAT cool.Fucking kindergarten level writing.
>love interest thinks the main character cheated on her due to a misunderstanding>before main character has a chance to explain, the group gets separated>when the group gets reunited, love interest shuts down any attempt to explain the earlier predicament>decides she's already forgiven you and doesn't want to talk about it anymore
>>737420291>Giant dragon is attacking your ship>Merchant sells items just below deck to help you prepare for the battle>"We gotta pay!? If we lose, you'll die too, buddy!">"I have faith in your victory."
>"Cover me while I hack this door!"Sometimes I'll say this for the lulz when I punch in the code for the door at work.
>>737434018>churches spent decades (if not centuries) demonizing everything under the sun, especially media>it gets demonized in returnSeems like karma to me
>>737415384Far Cry always has some insane ludonarrative nonsense. Like every game you slaughter a dozen guys on the way to pick up a coffee, then a cutscene hits where you black out and wake up to find that you killed a handful of baddies and the MC goes like "I am... such a monster..."
>>737420960The funny thing is that the very first Dragon Quest game did this, but with the distinction that the Dragonlord had basically already won. The world was conquered, and the only things that could defeat him (the Orb of Light and Erdrick's Sword) were in his direct possession. As far as he knew, he didn't NEED to do anything but sit in his throne room all day. Modern demon lords swan about like they won already after conquering a single city.
>>737435636>Blaming the Church for events that were mostly done by ProtestantsStop being retarded, anon.
>fighting game plot>friends are acting weird and evil>"We have to knock some sense into them!">beat the shit out of them>"Oh heh I guess it was you all along. Sorry I thought you were one of the bad guys! Teehee!"
>the big bad is sending an army to whatever town or city the player is currently in>everything is about setting up preparation>constantly talking about how big and powerful the bad guy's colossal demon army is>entire army is just six minions and a miniboss
>>737432146You didn't need to specify Korean, we would have figured it out from the rest of the post.
>>737427963Plenty of the later ones ditch the "technologically advanced ancient race" idea, but in those games technology has advanced in the present to the point that you can't call them traditional fantasy games anymore.
>humans exclusively are the ONLY species in the entire universe that has resolve>species who have mastered FTL travel, achieved galaxy wide peace, and have been around since before Earth formed are actually just shitters who can't cut it in the real world once humans arrive and start getting shit done
>we can't let the villain have this ultimate weapon>it will change warfare as we know it if he manages to acquire it>villain gets the ultimate weapon>you beat him in a final boss fight, using regular weapons>somehow the rest of the world would've been powerless to stop thisYou can't have it both ways. You can't set it up as the ultimate threat while also letting us fight it and seeing that it's not so bad. If I can beat the ultimate weapon, but struggle against 4 grunts at th same time, then that means 5 grunts probably have a pretty good chance against the boss also
>>737435329based
>>737410332>Main character dies at the end of the game
>>737431214Really only applies to the Ascians. And after their backstory was fleshed out, it wouldn't have made much sense if they were just evil for the sake of being evil. But even then you've got Fandaniel being a giga cunt because fuck you, that's why.
>villain's hideout has a self destruct sequence because... it just does okay?
>>737436483>the villain gets the ULTIMATE WEAPON>it's essentially just a magical pirate cannon>it barely even destroys anything>apparently he was gonna take over the world with this
>>737436794And the Warriors of Darkness>when you first meet them they do shit like poisoning one of your party members and gloat about how they are going to die >but it turns out they are also actually heroes!
>>737436767C'est la vie.
>>737414010Far cry 3
>>737417553I can get message on my phone from every car sellerCan't cops senf message with each other ?
>>737437078>Villain gets the ultimate weapon>Powers up with demonic and dark energy>Is actually easier than when you first fought him>One of the easiest bosses in the game
>game goes out of its way to make you HATE the villain over the story>actually works>I DO hate the villain!>villain turns into a big monster>I dont know this monster>I want to fight that smug asshole >fighting their monster form does nothing for meAAAAAA
>>737437410>the game goes out of its way to make you utterly hate a villain>it works>then halfway through, they make said villain a party member>now they try to make you like the guy who murdered your character's parents and raped their childhood friend (it's okay they feel bad about it)
>>737410332>the church/government/authority figure in general is actually evil and they want to summon a giant evil monster for reasons>New party member gets introduced one chapter, you spend the whole chapter dealing with his story, and then it's never relevant to the plot again, just hangs around the party to emote when something happens>Protagonist is a retard that falls for obvious bait
>>737437684I like how AdventureQuest Worlds has the MC absolutely hate a certain former antagonist's guts whenever they're forced to work together, to the point that he was even kicking the bastard while the latter was slowly dying from magical AIDS and writhing on the floor.
>>737425261Huh, I never thought of it like that. I guess that makes prophecy the QTE of writing: forget everything you know and follow the author's directions right now or be punished
>Sequel happens decades, even centuries in the future>Technology is the fucking sameso *smacks lips you be saying wizards and magic exist but everyone still uses bows and arrows like cavemen in the middle of the 3rd age? That nigga Todd is crazy.
>>737437997An arrow to the brain is still just as effective as death magic bullshitDon't need no mana
>>737437410>You fight the villain who burnt your village, killed your sister and your dog after 20 years.>Dies from a single headshot and his lifeless body plummets to the ground from the high tower>Cue to second form...>...>There is no second form, you got him the first time in one hitI am still not sure what to think of this, the game was Fable II.You get used to Final Bosses and Antagonist to be super broken that fighting a guy who at the end was just a regular guy is shocking. You could had shot that asshole point blank any time if you ever had the chance before but you ready your mind, soul and body into what now seems overkill.I guess it is Kino? Kusoge? KusoKino?
>>737411132seconding this, any game where Satan is redeemed?
>>737411075This is a cultural misunderstanding. Japanese have gods for everything. You name it, it has a god. You've got a bowl your grandmother gave you? It has a god. So 1 god being evil doesn't mean anything.
>>737411132Guy in other thread was talking about the Devil being too hard in some western RPG and my immediate thought was you are probably supposed to negotiate and not be so racist.
>>737437078>Evil group creates the ULTIMATE WEAPON>It's just a dude who can be shot a few times before dying>Can't use weapons or tacticsPitiful. And gay.
>>737437997not vidya, but 17776 doing that with the shitty reason of "uh yeah we invented everything that could ever be invented but everyone was afraid that technologically and culturally advancing past 2018 would cause us to lose our humanity, so we rejected all of it (except for the Global Dehumanizer 9000, that stays on)"
>>737438124A world with wizards that is constantly at war would weaponize magic often and steadily in a big arms race.Every nation would have state necromancers and sorcerers.Knights and Paladins would be embedded with enough runes and protections to never pass a single anti-doping test.Muskets and other long range weaponry would had been easily invented even if initially they were wands with a a single use fireball in them, hell, pirates used to carry seven pistols with them because they could only fire each once.Imagine the state of absolute paranoia since every message could contain a brainwash curse or a death spell. Picture the Infinitely wacky forms of warfare magic enables.
>>737421314>Aww man I wish you couldn't fuck any of the girls in this game!Go back holy shit
>time to chase after and fight the big bad before they destroy the world>which means running around and doing boring side preparations and talking to npcs for an hour>all while a repetitive battle track replaces the areas music and plays constantly the entire time
Shit i LOVE:>villain's goon only does it because they need a job and hate the villain too
>>737411132Satan working as gods QA and tester makes way more sense than him working in opposition to god but no one likes that.
>>737425209Believing in democracy is how people lose freedom.
>>737439359Only good if you can buy the goon to switch sides
>>737411132>>737439387Satan was originally working as God's prosecuting attorney whose role was testing humans and calling them out when they sin. Like, it's actually still in the Bible too.
>>737412152>only shows up 15 years of sequels later
>>737439359>Officers realize their boss has absolutely fucking lost it and decide to stop him.FFXII is so cool.Is there any other game where this happens?
>>737438730>so we rejected all of it (except for the Global Dehumanizer 9000, that stays on)"Never heard of this book before, the result was puzzling as well because I did not know the full title was "How will football will be played in the future?"What is the global Dehumanizer?
>>737415431
>>737420185>FO2>You find a stash of thousands bottlecaps>Character reacts with "wtf is this shit? No one uses bottlecaps anymore".That was funny, you throw a midge down a well in that quest too.
>>737438375FuckMaybe I'll play Fable 2
>>737440007Being faceitous, but a planet-spanning cloud of nanomachines (named "nanos") that completely prevents any form of harm to humans. It'll stop injuries before they happen, synthesize nutrition so you can't go hungry or thirsty, convert harmful gases into breathable air, and so on. Basically removing some big parts of the human experience, that being pain and discomfort.
>>737428554There’s a reason why every classic hero story has a very pressing motivation that forces the protagonist to get off their ass and do something.
>>737421449Maybe that was the idea but unlike Mr.Enter Doug Walker knows how to take a joke and it seems they are actual fans of the show. This is why he ultimately showed up in Smiling Friends, not like Linkara who could not laugh at the joke.
>>737440851That sounds like just pretty good healthcare.So just dial it back a little so people can still experience boo boos but not fatal injuries?Also pretty sure people could still feel pain, pic related.
>>737434325>People are willing to make peace with Satan>Pope and the Church staying true and trying to keep souls out of Satan's graspBased really.
>>737415653Israel
>>737438375The stupid thing is noncombatant villains are a solved problem and have been for decades. If the villain's skillset isn't fighting directly, obviously just have them fight indirectly. Nobody thinks Wily or Robotnik can't be final bosses because they can't fistfight or shrug off bullets. Once there's nothing between you and them, the game is over. That's how you fight a physically weak villain, you trash his shit and chase him down.The trick is they need to react accordingly. There's no reason to make them smug when you reach them because they literally already lost. Even dumb scrimblo Rocket: Robot on Wheels figured this shit out. It didn't know how to do bosses but the villain starts trying to cut an increasingly generous deal as you progress through the final level which makes it way more satisfying than it would be otherwise
>>737440851I'm not wading through Football Homestuck again, but I remember the spontaneous immortalization (and sterilization) of humanity was completely outside of their control and everyone just had to learn to deal with it. The supertechnology was just something humanity built on top of that with the eternity they had whether they liked it or not
>If you kill them, you'll be just like them
It's funny how most of the shit mentioned here is from japanese games, maybe stop playing nipslop?
>>737412152Marx in Kirby Super Star
>>737415384Most infamous example is the White Phosphorus in Spec Ops, no way of getting around that you have to bomb innocent people to progress.
>>737443516Even worse when you just killed a thousand dudes to get to them
>>737420291>it's the final chapter, world is about to end, and everyone is seeing you off because you're the only one who stands a chance>merchants still ask for payment
>>737439359>Character's mind runs on a gestalt hivemind>The people of said hivemind are destroyed>Character is not only still functioning, but now is manic for revenge with the continuing ghosts of said hivemind
>>737410332>Win in the game>Lose in the cutsceneor the related>Get shot/stabbed/blown up in game a ton>Gets injured by very minor thing in cutsceneor>Get captured>Escape and get your entire inventory back
>in the first game the villain wanted to destroy the world by summoning an alien godlike creature from space because something minor bad happened to him and he was evil through and through>sequel retconned him by being misunderstood and he just wanted to kill the other evil guy who was more evil that was established in the sequel that they belonged to same cult or shit like thatat least the sequel improved the gameplay I guess...
>>737428230>long exposition dump about how Dr. Evil McBackstabber isn't actually a bad guy and has a perfectly legitimate reason for exploding that bus full of diabetic school children and actually we're the real villains for trying to stop him
>>737423183Not really. English is my second language, but no one ever calls me an ESL because they literally can't tell. Being fluent in English is not optional on an English-speaking website. Period.
>>737428491Because some people self insert as the villian not because he is "evil" because he is a victim who tends to get revenge or hold power over others. So its the ultimate power fantasy for some people, that is why some people side or even love the vilian because they see a part of themself in them. So when a villain has a tragic backstory that justify all his shitty fucked up behavior its like crack to these types of people. The key to all of this is if the villain had a tragic backstory. If he was evil dickhead to begin with its harder to justify his actions but if the villain is a victim then its okay to be on his "side" in the moral dilemma question. That is why these type of people hate "evil guy is evil" villains because they don't want to see themselves as evil or morally in the wrong but justified. Because it might remind them all they times that they have hurt other people and don't want to be the "bad guy"This is armchair psychology but I think people forget that humans treat fantasy stories as real events in their head. In fact we are doing it now.
>>737446606Nice ESL sentence
737446809Shit bait, mate.
>clearly in the middle of the games story>side character"We can take on the big bad!">mfw
>>737421887I guess the difference is that as far as we know bazookas weren't invented because demons were immune to swords.
>character betrays you>"but I was brainwashed, I'm good now!">character betrays you again>"but I was brainwashed by a guy being brainwashed, I'm good now!"
>the AI has become self aware and instantly tries to kill everyoneOr>Everyone tries to instantly kill it causing point A
>tailing missionsI don't even need to explain why they're all shit, you already know what I'd be typing.
>>737448224Oh man brainwashing/mind control being used as an excuse for heinous acts is pretty fucked up. Worst part of NEO TWEWY for me. The bad guy isn't even apologetic and got his whole power structure and sycophantic grunts back even though he literally caused the death of almost all his friends and an entire city of innocent bystanders
>>737422034>Dragon's DogmaWhat quest are you talking about? Selene quest? BBI expansion?
>"your choices and actions really really matters, and you get the choices and it's completely up to you. CAN YOU DEAL WITH THAT???">protagonists gets two characters killed by retarded accident in a cutscene before any control is given to you in the very first mission
Confronted with moral choice when getting a quest.Good (aka Asskisser): "For you, friend? I'd drag my dick through a mile of broken glass and barbwire and then suck your dick while asking for seconds just to see the smile on your face. I don't need any reward for this quest!"Evil: "If you don't give me all of your money as well as the clothes off your back I will crucify you and beat you to death with a dozen newborn infants"Honestly I just hate how much of a doormat all the Good choices make characters out to be.
>>737412152Lisa the Painful
>>737448685NTA, but I recall a side quest where you can save a guy's sun with a wakestone.
>>737420881Assassin's creed 3?
>being a nice guy gets you a harem
>>737420185>explore ancient dungeons and ruins that no living human has ever stepped into for hundreds of years>fresh food in the cratesfucking really?
Almost 90% of the tropes in this thread only apply to RPGs
>>737450474>explore ancient dungeons and ruins that no living human has ever stepped into for hundreds of years>the food is not spoiled because it's all highly processed and shrinkwrapped
1st try>get beat by boss>game over2nd try>beat it shitless from the get-go>in the following scene, the boss is dancing over your wiped hero/party like you lost
>>737450926Tell that to the whole fish I just found in a Temple older than God.
not exactly a story beat but a narrative trope i fucking HATE>start game>quirky narrator: "Hello there player! Are you having a good day?">asks you a bunch of questions>feels like i am filling out a job application instead of playing a game>has to throw in quips and other bullshit every sentence>the entire sequence is pointless and there is no way to skip it.So many indie games. Why? This happened just today when I played Rubato. Then a week before with Road96. I haven't even started playing the game and you are already annoying the fuck out of me. The only game that pulled this off was Deltarune.
>>737428230Literally Palpatine and he is one of the best villains ever.
>villain shit talks you the whole game and talks a big game>you don't actually fight him and he dies/is defeated in a cutscene
>>737428230True. Epstein is an overrated villain
>>737451168>Why?Because the devs all played UT/Deltarune and don’t have any formative experiences that weren’t video games.
>>737451359I still can't believe they thought the old final boss of Lords of the Fallen (2)'s Radiance route was a good idea.>Big bad of the game monologues to you from the background>Entire fight is killing random enemies that get possessed by his soul>They aren't even threatening enemies, they're the equivalent of Hollows>You then kill him in a cutscene after depleting his health bar
>>737435751You dumb fucking nigger, the word Daemon used to be a positive word in ancient Greek but the judeoschristians didn't like any faith that wasn't theirs so every single aspect of paganism that couldn't be co-opted, was demonized.
>>737451569>Anon is mad that the word for evil spirits (cacodemon) got shortened to just demon because people only cared about the evil spiritsBasic evolution of language.
>>737451668Argued like a true kikes. Sasuga.
>>737451775Not my fault you're getting mad at past civilizations having superstitions. You're not one of those faggot neo-pagans, are you?
>>737410332"oh no we are in danger""shouts in the distance""camera pans over to x character coming to save the day"Every fucking time, and recently its been strong women lmao.
>>737410332It kinda worked in CP2077, but I generally fucking hate bomb in your head narratives.
>>737427842SMT IV
anything involving amnesiashit is so damn contrived, why do nips love using it as a plot device so damn much?
>>737425008I’ve yet to see something execute this idea well, and also not just bail when loud fans start pushing back or have it devolve into some gay “subversion”.
Not a story beat but>Cool music is playing during a hype part of the game>Die>Music is no longer playing after respawning. Game is just silent while the fight plays out
>>737452303I hate how some writers try to subvert things for the sake of subversion. Being unpredictable is NOT inherently good for a story.
>14 year olds discover their hidden potential and are able to defeat 25+ year olds with tons of experience and similar powers'ate this shit.
>the fictional cowboy analogues and fictional indian analogues are fighting!>stop that! fighting is.........bad! wrong! it's badong!>both sides: oh gosh sorry, what were we thinking! let's live together now even though our religions and lifestyles are still completely opposed to each other and destined to spark conflict again
>>737410332None, I'm not a plotfag
>>737410501Cool it with the antisemitism...
>>737418617Warframe is fantastic because during a rescue mission the npc can be given a gun, will teleport over to you, and you can speedrun the mission without needing them at extraction.
>I. HAVE. AWOKEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnhegREEQfk
>>737417994>the characters were retarded on purpose
>>737452391I hear you.It’s gotten so bad that a story played completely straight is now considered the new “subversive”.
>>737411075japs discovering the word ""gnosticism" in the dictionary in the 90s was an absolute disaster and sent their midwit pseudery into overdrive
>>737416940https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ0Xr0Tl-y4
>>737419420>>737432642There's a reason they had a whole issue with subway rape when theoretically you could just go "woah hey this pervert is grabbing me!" and get some help and attention on a crowded train.
>>737419921That's pretty stupid if you anon. You didn't need to personally have her as a favorite, the shock and despair is that a desperate father would do such a thing to an innocent little girl and dog, each his own and loved. She believed in her dad and instead she gets her life ripped away from her to live as a freak, not even fully understanding what's wrong. You also find out he did the same to his deceased wife, you aren't meant to value her as a character either, just understand that what transpired was fucked up.
>Approaching the final act>This is your last shot, your friends know you can't afford to fail>They give you last minute equipment just in case>It's complete dogassBorderlands 2 but I'm sure others have done it. Also if we're all on the same side anyway why wait to give me something helpful? Is it mystically bound by dramatic timing?
>>737423108>Like I can kind of understand the "Oh, we thought it was just a legend." thing to a point. But if Blularg the Rape Demon actually killed millions and turned an entire city into a crater, you'd think some historians would make sure to remind everyone to keep track of that seal.Idunno man we got flat earthers and moon deniers. I think if we had a contained ancient evil people would eventually say it's made up bullshit. It'd be like that cheesy horror movie trope of "oh come on, there's no way this Infernal Blood Dagger will *actually* open the rape dimension if it draws blood from a virgin, let's try it haha"
>>737414559you just named every single interaction with a flock of foids
>>737415423Name 1 game from the past 10 years.
>>737412152DON'T FUCK WITH THIS SENATOR
not a single mention of gameplay in this entire thread. travesty.
>>737455308cuz it says story beats in the op, you retard
>THIS GUY WAS A REAL DICK SO THE POWERS THAT BE 'CURSED' HIM AND NOW HE HAS SUPER POWERS AND IS STILL DOING THE SAME THING BUT IS EVEN BETTER AT IT
>>737455308
>arrive at new town>everybody in your party disperses and you have to go find and talk to them>if you try to leave you can't, or only have 1 guy
>>737455889>Map is large enough that it takes a minute to get from one side to another
Whenever you or a party member gets captured in a cutscene by a mook or group of mooks they could easily beat in regular gameplay.
>>737412152even vesperia did this lol, granted meeting him is completely optional until the very end of the game.
>>737411008>you're the chosen one>in your dad's plan to unseal him and rule the world together
>>737456098>Dad has an EVIL and MANIPULATIVE succubus woman keep track of you>She genuinely loves you and is unfalteringly loyal
>>737456075>granted meeting him is completely optional until the very end of the game.He shows up several times in the main plot, explaining Aer Krene, the Entelexeia, the Adephagod and even lends Yuri his sword for a while as early as part 1. He's a central figure and on a journey much like Yuri is to try and solve the same issues but comes to a more extreme solution.
>>737452283it's an easy plot device to justify characters loredumping the MC and having him gradually learn about the world with the reader in tow.same shit with isekai.it's a sign that you're most likely dealing with a terrible writer.
>>737410332Throw every blizzard game in the gutter.
>>737456804This is an interesting point though. Ass Creed doesn't need to lore dump because it takes place on earth and every player knows where Rome is. In a book, you just sort of follow along and it's not a big deal, you'll learn in time. In a game though, the player has to act. They can't just follow a MC who *does* have the knowledge... So how do you teach a player about a very different kind of setting without lore dumping enough info for them to make decisions? They have to understand what they're deciding, and often quickly, but that means a lore dump and those aren't very natural feeling.Sorta just an interesting question.What games do this well with settings that are very different from the real world?
>>737457531>So how do you teach a player about a very different kind of setting without lore dumping enough info for them to make decisions?Different settings are just flavor. It's all a matter of delivering a digestible, appealing plot with good characters.Resonance of Fate is an interesting example where the plot and world are wacky but it doesn't really matter because the focus of the writing lies in the relationships and backstories of the three protagonists.
>>737457531>So how do you teach a player about a very different kind of setting without lore dumping enough info for them to make decisions?Same way every other writer in the world prior to the isekai/amnesia trend did. Contextual clues and respecting the player's ability to investigate or notice things around them.Lots of writers use new terminology and words a reader can glean the meaning of from context alone.
>villain is the leader of a massive evil army that threatens to conquer the world>game ends with you killing the villain>massive evil army immediately surrenders/dissolves after his death with no explanation
>>737458739>Different settings are just flavor. It's all a matter of delivering a digestible, appealing plot with good characters.This is something my wife and I talk about often and we both summarize it as "do they or do they not like Sci Fi".In Sci Fi books, the setting is often a character. Not infrequently the MAIN character. How a people progress through the future, where we end up, how we got there, where we go from there. It's built into the genre. I like "Sci Fi". My wife doesn't. She likes strong character driven books about primordial human themes. "Grief" and shit like that. (We both dabble in each other's worlds, but there is a division).Just saying that you're totally right, but that there is a whole other 50% of players who DO think difference in, and execution of, setting is hugely important.>>737459450There definitely *are* shit games, but like, which ones do it well? A game that>Doesn't lore dump>Isn't set in the real world (or close to it. Like there are gradations of distance)>Delivers all the contextual information needed to make informed choices about the stakes of the plot
