>"Alright, I have an idea....get this- dungeons and dragons, but the characters have to deal with an alien invasion">*earns 30 Million dollars*
>>73741111530 million probably won't even cover d&d licence
>>737411146D&D is public domain
>>737411115>you get to fix and have lovey dovey romance with a tomboy ayy lmaoThey deserve the money.
>>737411175>no DLCit had DLC, not a ton but better than nothing.>no sequelits going to be Divinity 3 lol>abandoned immediately after releaseNot true>nobody talks about itWell the game did come out like 4 yrs ago and pretty much everything has been said and done to do in the game
>>737411223here comes the troon damage controlwhat a retarded fucking moronhonestly what the fuck do you think lying about a video game is going to accomplish?you already lost imbecile
>>737411169D&D as a whole is copyrighted.The only thing that is open for public use is the System Reference Document. >>737411318Are you ok?
>>737411175>>no dlcThey were doing DLC until WOTC fired the people Larian were working with and Larian didn't want to keep working with people who weren't passionate about it. >no sequelThere will be a Baldur's Gate 4, rest assured, retard. >nobody talks about it except the one tranny who spams /v/We have a thread up about it almost every day. Recently actual mechanics threads of all things.
>>737411347>starts spamming tranny shitway higher than 41%
>>737411175>abandoned immediately after releaseSo i just imagined all that shit they changed, including the new subclass for each of the classes?
>>737411427>There will be a Baldur's Gate 4And Larian will have nothing to do with it LOL
>>737411115>We can also inject it with our homosexual ideology and gamers will still eat it up
>>737411427>>737411602womp womp trannies you lostthe only thing coming out for you in the next 20 years is your lengthy prison sentence
>>737411686>And Larian will have nothing to do with it LOLWho cares if they do? You just seem like you hate Larian. Why?
>>737411718kill yourself lmao
>>737411715>lengthy prison sentenceBloody wot?
>>737411783this is ADVANCED autism
>the BG3 schizo has already arrivedAt this point I'm just wondering whether he's the same guy who goes full retard over RPGs in general.
>>737411718Larian helped turn D&D gay and lame, not that WOTC needed the help but between the tabletop leftists and the zoomer tourists the game attracted the entire setting is simply unsalvageable now.
>>737411115more like sell 30 million copies
>>737411845Same is going to happen to Warhammer
one of the best games ever made, also game of the year plus many more awards
>>737411718Because Larian raped its competitors and will do so again with the new Divinity
>>737411845this one image absolutely mindbroke some people and I don't even think its in any official product it was a twitter post lol, also it has nothing to do with BG3
>>737411910awards they likely either botted and/or used loopholes to win, same way they do with the labor of love award every year.
>>737411937>STOP NOTICING OUR BEHAVIORno lol
>>737412053?
>>737411937>people seethed at at a product that means the company won because people were mad that means they lose lol delusional faggot
>>737412140who are you quoting?
>>737411175>>no dlcSoulless moneygrab that shouldn’t exist in the first place>>no sequelSeeing as Larian is no longer on board, it’s gonna take a while for a sequel to even be announced >>abandoned immediately after releaseJust a blatant lie, nigger>>nobody talks about it except the one tranny who spams /v/Nobody gives a shit what /v/ talks about. It’s still popular everywhere else
>>737411115Game have its good and bad side but my biggest gripe are the stakes. Why the fuck almost every dnd-based game need to be about saving the world? Especialy when its 1-12lvl module.Are people this stupid and they are drawed into power fantasy like wotro so easy? I would like them to create smth with lower stakes and with a bigger focus on building your partyb ect. not trying to become a god of some sort. Poeple forgot or dont know in the first place whats rpg is about, now it must include some powertrip because the writers are shit and they think its an easy attentiongrab or just cant do anything more than snowflake fanfic tier writing.
>>737411715If you’re going to try patposting, stalker Child, at least do it properly.This is why your life is already over. Enjoy prison.
>>737411937Never seen that picture myself but that is the feeling of modern dnd and bg3, incredibly gay.
>>737412196I would say, companions like Gale aside, the story is pretty fine for a level 12 adventure. At that level you're dealing with continent wide threats and are strong enough to lead countries. But its not like you have the power to kill Mystra or anything (even God Gale gets fucking bodied by her)>>737412254BG3 and that image don't really evoke the same feelings, so I don't know what you are talking about.
>>737412165you and the other niggers on here for being a retarded just because something is bad and people don't like it and you're like LITERALLY MINDBROKEN SEETHE THE CORPORATION WON BECUASE LOLOLOL just makes you an annoying faggot
>>737412295but I never said any of thatit was just pointed out that this image has nothing to with bg3, was posted on twitter, and forgotten about pretty much immediately afterwards. its not like it was a dragon magazine cover or wotc made a big announcement that this random image will be what all art is based on going forward.
>>737412286I think it does evoke the same feelings, bunch of very gay looking characters, you don't even pick male or female you pick body types and can mix and max dicks and tits etc. literally every male companion comes on to me. it's a gay fantasy world. Maybe it has always been gay for you if you're younger, but it used to be different.
>>737411845D&D was already gay and lame thanks to critical role
>>737411175It got patches all the way up to q4 2025, what more do you want
>>737412379No not really. that image is very bright and pastel colored, which doesn't fit bg3's visual design at all. All the lines are also extremely soft unlike bg3's more realistic texture.The only similarity you seem to argue it has is that they're both "gay" which doesn't really mean anything.
>>737412434Not him, but for $60 I'd want a complete game, and the ability to pause whenever I open the menu.
>>737411427Larian are both not known for doing DLC and never said they were going to make DLC.
>>737411718Thats not what he said at all. Is english your second language?
>>737412496it does pause when you open the main menu. you can also use turn based mode if you are really neurotic about this before opening up inventory, map, etc. the game is not very fast paced so I see no reason why this of all things is phrased like a missing feature
>>737412479The feeling of gayness is what the game and the picture evokes.
>>737412496shift+space to pause time thank me later retard
>>737412559No, it really doesn't. Again, the two art styles are very different in tone and intention. All you have is "the feeling of gayness" which is nebulous and nondescriptive.
>>737412626I don't think it is, literally everyone notices the massive gayness of bg3 when they play it. It's celebrated by its fans. There's a reason Astarion is the #1 favorite character among the fan base, the gayest fucking character ever.
>>737412576I knew this was coming lmaoFuck you fanboy, get cancer and dieYou didn't even finish the fucking game
>>737411845>the entire settinghasn't the default forgotten realms setting been a big fat joke for a long while?
>>737412690I wouldn't describe it as massively gay. It's pretty neutral when it comes to sexuality. Astarion is a flamboyant vampire type, but he's the only character with that level of flamboyance.Also notice how this has nothing to do with artstyles, its now diverted into what the "fan base" "celebrates" and specific characters.
>>737412775I'm not saying it looks the same, I'm saying it evokes the same feelings and targets the same kind of audience.I gotta leave now though.
>>737412758>>737412496I would say a lack of something like a turn based mode, and bad UI design leading to headache-inducing inventory management, were legitimate problems in DOS2. But they were both fixed in BG3. I am glad they are being carried over into Divinity. They also said they are looking at UI mods for BG3 to see what they can do better.
>>737412758Say what? kys bot nigger this thread is not even real. fuck this bot infested site.
>>737411115Interesting Divinity news released.It seems increasingly likely they are returning to the open world-like structure of the DOS2 Alpha, or Divine Divinity.
>>737412690Astarion is popular because he is a chaotic evil character done right and because he BTFOs femcels
>>737411115Cute frog you got there.
>>737413041Something tells me that means literally nothing because the first act will remain the most interesting while the last act will still be plain unfinished. Just replace "act" with "part" if discrete map design goes away.
>>737413041Would playing with randos for your first playthrough be a good idea? Or would minmaxers and retards just ruin everything?
>>737413234That's just how CRPGs are, bro.
>>737413234Maybe, or maybe not. They seem to be going for more "nonlinear" gameplay this time around, so the impact of "plain unfinished" content would be lessened if the player is bouncing around between earlier designed stuff and things that were made later.I still have a soft spot for Act 3, it has very good encounter and level design, its just missing some of the systemic depth present in act 1. The bugs on release were unacceptable, though, which is why I always recommend people to wait before playing an RPG. It's just the unfortunate state of the industry.>>737413269It depends on the randos, and your own opinion on these types of games. I think it's fine if you are not too invested and want to have fun in a sandbox world. But if you want to interact with companions or the story, or the randos are powergamers, then it might be better for a second playthrough.
>Wyll has an interesting backstory as a warlock>redditors complain that he's not perfect>Larian scraps his entire backstory and re-invents him into a perfect mary sue faglord that every single NPC jerks off at every opportunity have you heard the epic legend of the sword coast swashbuckler holy shit he's the best of us bros>absolutely nobody likes him what went wrong
>>737411115>we'll call it baldurs gate but get this... you only get to the city at the end of the game>it'll be a grand D&D adventure... that ends at level 12
>>737413396he was still the least popular companion in EA. he just can't catch a break for whatever reason.>>737413408good post but it will be unappreciated because people will take it seriously
>>737411115There really isn't a big alien invasion. There's only like a dozen or so Githyanki in the game that weren't already on the planet.The Mind Flayers you deal with are from the same planet, too.
>>737412286Let review the options thanFrom party options>numerous chars gets to interact with gods that use you as their champion and only hope, some are pretendents, some are the spawn, some designated as a herald. Others can become mythical beings like astarion.As for endings>you can be the one thats responsible for ending thousand years interplane-ary confict, highjack whole race invasion for yourself or become a new god.Its all sounds to me like epic lvl stuff, not lvl12 endgame.Moreover bg3 start with this type of shit when you battle illithids on a spaceship while youre lvl1. Its stuff for lvl7+ at best. Every party character should be lvl3-lvl7 minimum from the writing standpoint.If someone wanted to start a new camapign with me and bring a char with any of this kind of backstory (maybe beside lazel) i wouldnt have let them play with it.Im more intrested why people are drawned into smth like this, which is just capeshit tier. Its a easy way to get smoothbrains invested, you can have much better story with smaller stakes, you just need to imrpove the character writing (both party and npc) so the player really start to care about what happens to them.bg3 on the other hand feels like every char/their writer wanted to one up eachother, to the point where they ended in mythical lvls for said chars.
>>737413408just like BG1
>>737413445The alien invasion are the Illithid, the Gith you faggot.
>>737413432>he just can't catch a break for whatever reason.He's not hot, they should have made him hot.
>>737413464well I cant wait for 4 to cap 3 off then!
>>737413454>Moreover bg3 start with this type of shit when you battle illithids on a spaceship while youre lvl1you fight imps. the illithids are too strong for you
>>737413432He's boring and lame.
>>737413408Early AD&D is so ass. You don't even really come online as a caster until like the end of the game.
>>737411115Those "aliens" are part of D&D you fucking faggot. It's not all elves and goblins you fucking loser
>>737413523all of the cool shit high level casters can do doesn't really translate into video games either. or if it did, you wouldnt pick anything else as your class
>>737413484well there is going to be another BG game it just wont be made by Larian so its going to be giga ass
>>737411146It didn't even cover the chinese astroturf costs. They're losing millions to this day.
>>737413469Most of the Githyankis you deal with in the game are from a creche on Toril.
>>737413396>>737413432Why can modern games never do black characters well? Seems like the "old" (pre 2010s) way of making blacks (over the top cool guys with a dash of stereotypes) was way better.>Halo - Sgt Johnson>Gears - Cole (COLE TRAIN BABYYYYYYYY)>Final Fantasy - Barret>GTA 3 - CJ>Not vidya but Blade movies - Blade (duh)Probably more, those are just off the top of my head.Seems like blacks are at their coolest/most memorable when you really lean into either the macho or gangster style.
>tg schizo janny adspamming /v/ with chinese scams againhere is the gameplay he's shilling
>>737413494Sure, also you dont fight cambions right? Because you shouldnt, but still can do it in the first hour of the game.Doing "you fight/deal with deadly enemy but its weakend/you have help" is a basic troope of "i want to make my game more epic but i dont know how to make my players invested" that is a scourge of dming.
>>737413573I can’t wait to see who the lowest bidder will end up being. Wizards are colossal, penny pinching retards that will get the studio that they think is a good enough doormat for them first and foremost
>>737413396deep down some people are racist but can't admit this to themselves or others so just put impossible standards on black characters as a way to hate them instead.his early access character was far more interesting though his background story involving the goblins wasn't that good.
The tencent bots always accelerate their posting when called out for advertising.
>>737413710everyone is racist, its part of being human to prefer people who look like your family
>>737413396boring motherfucker
>>737413330Arguably, how all games are, no questions there. But the issue I have with Larian is that everything design-related I hear directly from them makes them sound braindead. Or maybe they are just drunk on their own koolaid, like that one time Sven was surprised to learn it was overwhelmingly men who were fans of RPGs. Sincerely and unironically, full voice-over and romance options have provided for over 90% of normalfag buyers. Grognards could enjoy the reactivity and verticality. Removing act-related restrictions is a positive in a purely technical sense, but also means fuck-all from the perspective of anything that matters, which makes the whole "thrilling but admittedly daunting" waffling sound retarded. As if having points of no return is some sky-high design hurdle or a selling point.
>get this: we make a terrible game and then get a bunch of discord trannies to astro turf it online for us>*earns 30 million dollars*
>>737413692you can fight the cambion if you are smart and think creatively, because this is an rpg that rewards that tabletop feeling. making the cambion invincible because "you're not high enough level!" is bad game design
>>737413640Wyll isn't an "ayo, I'm finna buss a cap in dis nigga" dude made to pander to suburban white teen wannabe-wiggers who listen to Biggie but hide when they see a black man. He's a "my lady, I offer you my blade" dude made for a fantasy game.The problem is that that archetype isn't actually popular, so he's a lame goody two shoes dork in a party of interesting flawed weirdos.
>>737413396I didnt know anything about the game and just assumed he was a random villager who got aggrod in the fight and died. just left his corpse there because I dont recall anyone ever mentioning him
>>737413705cant waithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC1smbjIVJI
>>737413783>Removing act-related restrictions is a positive in a purely technical sense, but also means fuck-all from the perspective of anything that matterswhat do you mean? I would say it really does matter in the broader trend of increasing the breadth and depth of their sandbox system design. they could have gone full bioware and make movie games, but he knows that's not where the heart of their games lie. So many other RPGs have tried the "full voice over and romance" angle and failed. It's their unique gameplay design that keeps people playing to this day. They are not braindead. They're the smartest of the RPG developers.
>>737413836>hmm why does this one named npc that got a cool intro cinematic have a keyring, supply bag and herbalism pouch?>even his clothes are named after him how odd
>>737411175>no dlcis dlc ever really worth it? Don't the stats show that modern dlcs sell like 5% max
>>737413783Im jaded with romance being a must option in all of recent rpg. If there is a friendship option it feels like 2nd hand, an afterthought. Do 1-2 romance paths, maybe include some chars outside the party that are a part of the story/they appear in all acts, that you can romance, but focus on a brotherhood of the said party. In bg it feels like a party of horny teenagers that need to score before they reach lvl3 or else some god auto redisistribute their lvls into a mage exception to gale which would become a monk).
>>737413924it's a larpWyll is not dying in that fight lmao
>>737413973funnily enough swen says he despises DLCs on principle which is why all the updates to his games have been free. the sir lora thing was actually a joke from swen when asked by their switch publishers for DLC to make the port more exciting. but he wasn't clear enough and the designers actually implemented in the ridiculous squirrel DLC companion with complete seriousness.
>>737413996he can die in it just fine, even the tiefling dude on top of the gate can diehe jumped down on one of my runs and got critical hit by bugbearthere is a tiefling woman that takes his place in the game, Larian though about almost everything possible
>>737411803eh, once they start using the pol buzzwords ignore them and move on. shame we had no idea how bad opening that board would get in relation to this websites health
>>737413985Fair criticism, they are actually addressing that, and making player friendship not feel like an afterthought is one of their main writing goals with Divinity.
>>737414023I hated that stupid thing. I beat 95% of DOS2 and then stopped for work reasons, not realizing I was so close to the end. I came back a year or two later and replayed the entire game and beat it, and was so confused as to how I didn't remember the dumb squirrel who quickly became a ghost squirrel
>>737414095He hates it too. iirc the squirrel that you can kick to death in the druid grove was added in reference to Swen's hatred of Sir Lora.
>>737411115The "idea" has little to do with the game's success. You sound like a retard.
>>737413985>recentBaldur's Gate 2 had romance in 2000. It would even have had more romance, but they cut some of it.If you do want to prune romances, you need at minimum either 2 or 4 depending on how you go. If you do bi-/playersexual, you need a guy and a girl. If you do strict sexualities, you need a guy and a girl for both guys and girls.
>>737413692You CAN find a way to assassinate the cambion. The intended design is that he's there as a timer to put the tension on while you punch through what is basically infernal wildlife.He's not nerfed in any capacity so I don't see what your fucking gripe is. He's not meant to be directly engaged, he's not meant to make you feel epic. He's there as a "holy fuck we have to hurry up and get to the controls before he kills the only other entity in the room who can fight him directly"
>>737413454Not every story has to start from small backwoods origins. You sound like an autist and I wouldn't want to join your game
>>7374111695.0 and 3.5 versions of d20, the actual math of the wargaming simulation are free for people to use. Any of the IP like Gith as an idea or mind flayers etc is all copyrighted.So what Larion could theoretically do is take the D&D5's d20, use it in Divinity, but replace all the copyrighted IP stuff with their own preexisting and novel lore they own.
>>737413795Throwing deadly dc monster at start just to make you players just to make them feel more important is a bad design. You focus on a small thing while ommiting other stuff that i wrore about. Vampire spawn shouldnt be able to become mythical vampire lord at lvl12, just like you shoyldnt become a herald which ralk with your god on a daily basis or become one yourself. Its stuff designed for 20lvl+ that is expirienced byfew because you cant really think of higher stakes than this (to be clear, its not "country" lvl danger, its interplane lvl invasion when players still dont have means to travel between planes). Youre shortsighted if you dont see it as a powergame-y narration.Lvl12 should be like: strong contender makes himself a king using party and then shows his true colors as a tyrant, as a party you can Work with him to turn his kingdom into empire or try to correct your mistake of bringing him to power. Its just an example but you can compare this shit to the lvl of bg3,where you can interact with few gods, mytical lvl beings and a dozen characters that would be more capable of handling the situation themselves in a span of few hours.
>>737413692You already have the trope of “escape within a certain number of turns before this inevitable game over occurs” but the timer on that is already ridiculously long. Having a strong enemy that is currently distracted adds some uncertainty to the mix.
>>737414275I would say bg3 mostly adheres to the standards you prescribe. Most of things you described are companion endings or are not as overpowered as you say in gameplay. Your description of level 12 gameplay is exactly what 99% of Act 3 is, for example.>Throwing deadly dc monster at start just to make you players just to make them feel more important is a bad designgood thing bg3 doesn't do that
>>737414275lvl12 doesn't mean anything. You are the max level of the game because you are in the last zone and they didn't want infinitely scaling enemies. Applying some fourth wall breaking need for them to be lvl 20 to do these things is mental illness on your part
>>737412254you are gay
>>737414182Youd be very suprised how many players (normalsfags too) decide to "help" illithidz with sucess. Its no "run or die" scenario because you can easly withstand 6 to 8t.
>>737414353I don't remember any waterfall like that in the game
>>737414381near the tow house with the paladins of Tyr
>>737414376playing on baby mode?
>>737414335>>737414327Why they didnt start this sdv from lvl5 than, where the story is more suited to this lvl? Whole arc sounds like a module for 5-18lvl. This is my gripe, because the scale of it dont correspond to what 1-12lvl are dealing with (monster dc, plotarcs ect). Doing mythical stuff as a lvl12 feels like 1st time session kid dming.Also not every lvl 1 is what you described, you can make a low stakes adventure much more engaing than a fucking interplane ship highjack, its just a matter of writing. But what I excpect from the goy defending bg3 prologe.When it comes to
>>737414445Are you right in the head, or in need of svens allowance?
>>737414537can you name any act 3 encounters that don't feel appropriate for level 12? even raphael is just a cambion.
>>737413889>broader trend of increasing the breadth and depth of their sandbox system designAbsolute nothingburger of a statement, straight up "vagueposting" as the kids say nowadays. Might as well have said that the new thing is gonna be better than the last for all the relevant information. Same as screenshots you keep posting really, but at least those have the excuse of being non-committal marketing made on social media. Find me a post discussing their surface/status mechanical interactions if you want me to believe they are smartest of all, and not simply lucky that's a trick question: financial success is always luck, doubly so in creative spaces.>what do you mean?I mean that I have no respect for these non-descript design discussions that are akin to a nervous intern rambling all the terms he can remember instead of answering the actual question. Saying you can make an "act" as big as you want to is a concrete technical detail, but by itself means nothing in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't even mean there won't be "acts" still, and I am not sure the size of the overworld map was some sort of a bottleneck.In general, I just loathe corpo speak (as should you), and hear a disproportionate amount of nothing-words from Larian. Mostly because smart devs tend to keep quiet to not get dissected to death by autists like me.
>>737413394damn, they are almost reaching BG1!
>>737413523AD&D's issue in BG1 isn't that casters suck at low level because they don't, the problem is the whole fucking game is trash mobs and there's only one real dungeon. The spellcaster is supposed to be balanced around dungeon crawls not >here's 30 more kobolds because you moved 48 pixels to the right have fun
>>737411115>Spelljammer>Publishers-TSR, Inc. /Wizards of the Coast.>First Publication-November 1, 1989Hate to tell you this anon, but that 30 million dollar idea you think is so brilliant was a D&D Second Edition supplement 36 years ago.
>>737413523>>737414737what is sleep? literally win any fight with one spell
>>737414608how is it nothingburger or vague? obviously it is not as concrete as actual game footage but we can only go on what we have. if you don't want to take them at their word and wait for gameplay, then fair enough, but discussion is meaningless and any post you make is worthless on your end.>Find me a post discussing their surface/status mechanical interactionsI didn't screenshot it but they said that surface mechanics were not as intuitive as they hoped in DOS2, and that having bless/curse variations for each surface/cloud was overkill>if you want me to believe they are smartest of allthe existence of DOS2 and the game design in that game already proved their intelligence, everything after is just further confirmation. the huge success of bg3 could've changed their thinking, but I have seen zero evidence of them declining from a systems design perspective.>mean that I have no respect for these non-descript design discussions that are akin to a nervous intern rambling all the terms he can remember instead of answering the actual questionthis is why I provide context into what the game could look like. the DOS2 alpha had Fort Joy, Arx, and Reaper's Coast all on one map, and their would be a map for each main race. But they cut this idea because they wanted to make the game quickly to capitalize on the success of DOS1. Divine Divinity, their first game, also featured heavily nonlinear gameplay on an open world style map. Their statements on the game imply that they are returning to this style of design which I, as a fan of their games, approve of. Swen has overpromised and lied before, sure. But the bigger picture is the real important thing here. They are focusing on improving the things they are good at, instead of trying to be a studio that they are not.>>737414710BG3 and BG1, different gameplay aside, share a similar structure. If anything, I would say this new game will more resemble Divine Divinity in structure, being a soft reboot and all.
>>737414762>there's your one spell>now have fun poorly using a ranged weapon for the rest of the encounter with the thirteen bandits that ambushed you
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>>737414934You are not supposed to be alone, dude, it's a dnd simulator, where are your rangers and fighters?
>>737411115>Alright so get this, it's a DnD game...>...Set on the Sword Coast!
>>737414580NTADame Aylin and her moonlight slivers. Fight is so ridiculously inappropriate for your level that not even Lorroakan and his elementals gives you an edge
>>737414982I would like to contribute to fights, niggaI find no pleasure in being a combat cuck
>>737415098isn't Dame Aylin just an Aasimar? sure, she's blessed by her goddess, but if anything it makes sense for her to be at a similar power level to the Dead Three's chosen.
>>737411115>"Alright, I have an idea....get this- Dungeons & Dragons, but the characters encounter both dungeons AND dragons in the first couple hours of playtime"
>>737415103You literally did the thing that won the fight, that's real power fantasy of being a mage, anyway just play fighter then, it seems more suited to your intelligence level.
>>737414537BG3 isn't your dnd campaign, retard, its a self contained video game. Why are you so hung up on random numbers for a level?
>>737414269>take the D&D5's d20Please god no. D20 is swingy as fuck.
>>737414269that's what Solasta is doing
>>737415228Dame herself is just an aasimar with immortality. But if you try to sell her to the wizard, she summons 3 celestials that are arguably the toughest enemies in the game. I don’t know what exact dnd creature they are supposed to be, but they seem to be the kind of enemies level 16-20 evil groups will encounter when they start fucking around with lichhood and god killing
>>737411175>>abandoned immediately after releaseYou made your bait too obvious. Try again, loser.
>>737415294>you prepped the girl, that's real power fantasy of being a cuck, anyway just be a bull then, it seems more suited to your sexual levelThe real power fantasy of being a mage is Time Stop, Contingency, Horrid Writing, etc
>>737415317You know my issue with d20 even back to ad&d is the opposite of your opinion, I think levels give too many hit points. I don't care if you're Conan The Barbarian if you actually get hit with a mace you pretty much just suffered a near fatal injury. A level 5 fighter has nothing going for them that would stop a decapitation that shot the gap in their chain mail, it's not going to bounce of your neck skin.I'd rather have the simulation be even more built around hit/miss success chances.
>>737415430 interestingly they are only level 11, and in 3e they apparently only had a challenge rating of 5https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Sliverthey seem to be race of beings that live on Selune's plane
>>737413996Not anymore, but in EA he totally died there on my first run. It was funny because I tried to use a scroll of res on him after the fight, but I couldn't interact with him.But yeah, these days I think you'd legit have to bail and leave him to die to get him killed there.
>>737415513>cuckolding out of nowhere Go be brown somewhere else
>>737415513nigger brain
>>737415578What do you call standing around being useless for the majority of an encounter while the rest of the party gets to do damage? It's being a combat cuck
It’s kinda crazy that there’s barely any DnD campaigns that aren’t in medieval environments. Like why are they allergic to interesting environments and always resort to the cookie cutter medieval fantasy setting like EVERY TIME
>>737415659medieval fantasy is fun
>>737415659>why are they allergic to interesting environments and always resort to the cookie cutter medieval fantasy setting like EVERY TIMEBecause no one buys Spelljammer or Dark Sun.
>>737415659have you tried not playing dnd?
The system was built for that and it barely works at that, why would you use for anything else?
>>737415559The 3e are completely different from the bg3 variants (I’m fairly certain Larian just reused the name because they are supposed to be Selunite celestials) and npc levels are more of a way to adjust stat bonuses rather than reflect a creature’s actual power level.It’s mostly that you are fighting 3 of these things. Had it just been 1 it might have felt more appropriate for a level 12 party
>>737415789I actually never played DnD. I just make campaigns from time to time. It looks genuinely stupid as shit to play, but it’s fun to make campaigns for my friends who are into that whole thing
>>737415854Fair enough, but it sounds like more of a balance issue than something that effects the immersion of the setting.
>>737411115The writing in this fuckin game is so bad. This is the "bestest RPG ever" according to people? You got to be fuckin kidding me.
>>737415631Being a non-combatant? When you’re bleeding out after being hit by a drone, do you laugh at any field medics that try to help you?
>>737415897I think the dialogue and quest writing in this game is rather exceptional, second only to DAO really. The macro plot writing is a bit mediocre and was done better in DOS2. But what's most important in an RPG like this is the freedom and sandbox design.
>>737414869>but we can only go on what we haveI don't mean that every single word coming out of Sven's mouth is a lie. The screenshot about random loot in this exact post of yours is what I'd consider a good worthwhile topic, or something like Sawyer's comments on sheer speed of computer computations that led to the whole miss/graze/hit/crit system in PoE. Contrast that to "we intend to improve companion writing with better banter and subtler relationship ramp-up". I am not following dev updates or whatnot, but stuff that did reach me does not paint a flattering picture.I put act size limits and go-anywhere promises in the same nothingburger bucket, and your hopes for "nonlinear gameplay on an open world style map" are a solid example why. None of what they say should "imply" anything if only because you are seeing what you want to see by extrapolation alone. Doesn't mean that the whole post is a big fat lie, or that it won't be actually be true at the end of the day, but it also not concrete enough to place your hopes on. Unlike, for example, hopes and fears you might have for magic items.>DOS2 and the game design in that gameArmor providing blanket protection against statuses and memory attribute would like to argue, but let's agree to disagree there.
>>737415631>I need to be swinging my sword every round or I'm doing nothingYou are henchmen brained, and that's fine! We need you to clean up after we solve the encounter with a single level 1 spell.
>>737411115>best companion is locked behind an evil choice that normies probably never madeI can't decide if it's pure genius or pure incompetence
>>737415941>I think the dialogue and quest writing in this game is rather exceptional, second only to DAO really.God I hope this was a joke.
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BG3 truther one of the weirdest schizos, compulsion to talk about BG3 when no one else is.
the funniest thing about levels you can actually complain about is that you can tell Larian really wanted Beholders but someone told them that wouldn't work because a Beholder would turn the party into red mist in a single turn so they used Spectators and fucked up their lore instead and just made them dumb animals for some reason that have their in-game description being the whole "Beholders hate everything but themselves" thing when Spectators are nothing like Beholders or other Beholder-kin at all personality-wise and are just mild-mannered LN dudes that are perfectly willing to be friends with other people
>>737413645>chinese scamsLarian is Belgian I believe.
>>737416017I suppose since there's nothing else to talk about, also I like to document things that they say because I genuinely believe they are an interesting studio. And while you can say that a lot of my posts contain headcanon or "baseless" speculation, I still think documenting and posting quotes from them is good to spread awareness. I would genuinely recommend Swen's GDC talks for fans of the genre, they are not life changing but they give you greater insight into how they make games, which could help you more accurately predict what they will do in the future. >>737416072>>737416098Among video games, the micro writing is quite high, so I don't see how this is a controversial statement. There's only been a few scenes where I thought the pacing or dialogue was off, and I believe that more due to voice line streaming or poor cinematic direction than actual bad writing.
>>737415659Easiest for the DMs that way. The moment you introduce something non-medieval it completely changes your campaign. That’s usually why artificers aren’t allowed in most campaigns
>>737416179it's not, /v/ is home to some really butthurt people because Larian killed their dog surpassed their favorite game dev
>>737416179Taking the text dumps of old crpgs and giving it to the narrator to speak out is probably its core innovation. Instead of dumping text or literally just dumping (as in removing them ala mass effect) text altogether it's a middle ground that wasn't really a thing at the whole game scale they did it at. In the end I can't remember a thing about DoS2 except for the Red Prince's plot so I'm not sure I agree with your take on the overarching plot writing being stronger.
>>737415659I'm actually working on a Sci-Fi campaign setting where each fantasy race is a different alien species from it's own planet/system/empire. I got the idea from creating fantasy race empires in Stellaris. Magic would still exist, but wizards are more tech mages and sorcerers are more natural born. Tech level would have laser blasters and laser melee weapons. Humans are basically a Starship Troopers Citizen's Republic but Catholic star crusaders as well. Drow would be similar to How Romulans and Vulcans split off from each other many millennia ago. Mind Flayers could basically exists as is. Orcs would probably just be 40k orcs because why not? They're hilariously awesome.
>>737416257While we're on the topic of writing, I find it interesting how the focus on cinematics changed how they wrote scenes.For example, Astarion's recruitment originally involved him in a mindflayer pod. You'd have to convince him it was safe to go outside because he was afraid he would get burnt up in the sun if he came out.It sounds good, but it wasn't very interesting visually. So the scene was changed. I generally liked how they handled cinematics in BG3, but you could tell the studio went through massive growing pains trying to implement them. I am interested to see how cinematics look in Divinity now that their core team is already set up.>>737416347I would recommend replaying DOS2 sometime. The writing in that game is underrated and I think they did a splendid job of setting a good tone for that world, despite what people complain about. Having more control over the world also let them do more interesting things with the setting that ties into the larger narrative, which they might not have been able to do with the Forgotten Realms.
>>737416159They fucked up the in game description, true. But spectators aren’t all chill. They would definitely be hostile if their master was insane and/or they were forced to guard the same thing for too long without any simulation
D&D, except you don't need to go to a retards house to play with 5 bluehairs who do the most cringe roleplay you'll ever see about how their character is trans and black and disabled, actually.
>>737411115Not gonna lie, Baldurs Gate 3 feels kind of like a half finished adventure. Or maybe even less.I mean, the entire plot is you kill goblins until you meet three bad dudes who are all level 10-12 and when you kill those you fight a brain that is the boss of the most midgame tier enemy in D&D (mindflayers).Even the big bad super demon boss you can fight is a Cambion, that is just another name for a fucking Tiefling. Not even a real devil just a grunt half devil.Feels disappointing as fuck. In every other D&D game I am travelling the planes and fighting demigods and demon lords but in BG3 I'm killing grunt goblins and 3 dudes with shit builds.
>>737416539what D&D games have you played? even ToB doesn't have what you described (the other plane you go to is just a hub area that you don't really "explore" per se)
I found out skellies are the best, so I'm playing Diablo 2 now
>>737416586I kicked Jaheira out because she was acting weird about her husband who just died. I'm a bit pissed retroactively because I didn't know she was gonna be in BG3 so it makes my playthrough feel a bit less "canon" now (yes I know about the Abdel Adrian stuff but majority of BG3 goes through pains to not draw attention to it).
>>737414934AoE on sleep is so large that you can easily put every enemy to sleep
>>737416539It's funny because people above are complaining that the game's adventure is too epic.
>>737411169the DND rules are public domain but DND setting stuff like faerun and baldurs gate and the characters are not >>737411146and that's why larian hates hasbro
>>737416639I could be wrong but I think all the sexy outfits in this game are thanks to the lead character designer, a Russian lady, liking that kind of stuff
>>737411175>>no dlc>>no sequelthat's because larian fucking hates hasbro for being jewish>>abandoned immediately after releasethey didn't though, they updated it for like 2 years
>>737415780Eberron, too>>737416493I wouldn't doubt that there's updated lore, but according to I, Tyrant, Spectators are non-violent by nature and will happily sit around for centuries philosophizing to themselves and will first have a brief chat, then ask you to leave, and then try to gently get you to fuck off before resorting to any aggression if you keep bothering them
>>737415659Because the game needs to be easy to run as well niggerfaggot
>>737411115>butuwotm8The invasion is an ongoing issue that has always been going on behind the scenes of Forgotten Realms which is as much of a "default DnD" setting as you can get.And the plot of the game isn't the invasion per se but a bunch of fuckass cultists trying to weaponize a particularly powerful alien.It's like trying to start a thread with "let's make call of cthulu but with a scary race of fish-men" like that has always been a thing you little twerp.
>>737416639The problem is, it's either epic in it's themes or presentation.The entire plot is literally you travel across a short stretch of countryside to kill 3 dudes who are controlling a goblin army and then kill a big brain.And in the actual game, you spend 2/3rds of it killing fucking goblins.The only comparable game is BG1 where you spend 2/3rds of it killing wolves.
>>737416971killing a big brain is a pretty big deal in DnD
>>737416971>The entire plot is literally you travel across a short stretch of countryside to kill 3 dudes who are controlling a goblin army and then kill a big brain.and I really like that, it's cool that the most epic adventure in these people's lives is just another day for the realms in a sense, I just dislike the ending for being a little too marvel coded with city being invaded by a giant brain in the sky
>>737417018Maybe in 5e it is. But we did the same shit in BG2 including fighting through an entire city of mindflayers and it wasn't even a big thing, just something in the way.
>>737416539There was a shit ton of cut content and im pretty sure the game was going to be longer.
>>737416816If you look at the 5 specators in-game>literally stuffed in a pokeball against its own will. Will definitely be pissed off if it escapes>was experimented on my a mad drow (that fucks hooked horrors) and forced to guard a bunch of petrified drow for 100+ years>2 are in service of a devil and just take their job very seriously >last one is either dominated by the absolute or was put into service by someone dominated by the absoluteI certainly wouldn’t mind encountering a friendly specator but I don’t think any of the in-game ones are inaccurate to the lore
>>737417054BG2 becomes dumber the longer you play
>>737416639Both are correct, that's the game's biggest problem. There is a huge mismatch between the concept and the actual campaign the game throws at you. You're playing low to midlevel DnD while listening to how your characters fucked a god, are pursued by half of nine hells or whatever the fuck. We're all legendary heroes fighting world-threatening villain but we barely learned to cast fireball and the actual encounters are balanced for that.Compare to BG1 where half of the game the big problem is substandard iron quality and that goes to city-scale political fuckery and only from there you learn of the large-scale implications of children of Bhaal.
>>737411115Green as a toad and twice as ugly.
>>737417214>We're all legendary heroes fighting world-threatening villain but we barely learned to cast fireballThis is acknowledged at least, they say that all characters were much stronger before they got the special eye worm.
>>737417214The companion choices were fucking puzzling.Gale is like "yeah by 12 I was the best wizard ever, at 15 Elminster was sucking my dick and by 18 I was banging the goddess of magic herself". Almost expected that fucker to say he became super sayan as well. Then he's getting his shit stomped in my level 1 goblins.Then you got Wyll who is like yeah I was the best adventurer ever I killed demon lords and could summon hell hounds and do awesome magic. No you couldn't, you got your powers off a level 7 grunt of a cambion, even she couldn't do any of the shit you're claiming.The writing is so fucking mismatched. It's like every character is someones OC donut steel.
>>737417214>We're all legendary heroes fighting world-threatening villain but we barely learned to cast fireball>Astarionwas a vampire's pet who was used to seduce hot people to kill in front of him, level drained by the worm>Galewas an archmage, was level drained by both the orb and the parasite>Karlachwas a warrior on the front lines of the Blood War, level drained by the parasite>Lae'zelwas literally just a githyanki out of basic training, had very little to drain lmao>Shadowheartwas a Sharran fit for being a Dark Justiciar, level drained by the parasite>Wyllwas a hero who hunted demons, level drained by the parasite>The Dark Urgewas apparently a really really good serial killer with a crazy high body count, got all kinds of fucked up by a several people
>>737417054BG2 goes to level 20
>>737417504Actually it goes to level 13-21 depending on your class, and the expansion takes it to level 30.
>>737416257I don't know what people are smoking, trying to compare BG3 with BG2. anyone can just watch a youtube video of the first dungeon and instantly see that BG2 is outclassed in literally every aspect
>>737417214I really love BG1 for that, I'm not really that into medieval fantasy and I postponed playing BG for the longest time because I thought it was some generic fantasy thing, when I finally got to it and got hit with a logistics mystery plot I was hooked instantly and even the later plot is still mirred in that sense of deception and politics, not what I expected at all, I'm finding BG2 much less interesting in comparison.
>>7374175525e doesn't have epic levels so I wonder how it all equalized out tokeep in mind this is a simulacrum of him, not the actual elminster
Its crazy how some people set their minds to hating the game so much that they latch to "faults" like act 3 or dnd magic system to try to justify their hate while bg3 has the best combat, narrative and interactivity of all past and probably future games
>>737417565Nah thats bullshit. Everyone skips the nautiloid in BG3 because it's just a tutorial.Irenacus Dungeon in BG2 is like 5x the size with tons of content and even a bunch of quests many of which you will finish later in the game. And it's so memorable that everyone remembers it 27 years later.
>>737417636dos2 combat is better overall, though I do appreciate the increased depth of the combat sandbox in bg3
>>737417624Fighter with a speed potion would still kill him in 1 turn because BG3 aint got any spells higher than level 6 spells.
>>737417657>tons of contentmore doesn't mean better
>>737417662The one thing BG3 did right is the environment for battles. A lot of it was actually well designed and could be approached from multiple directions which changed how things played out.The problem is most enemies themselves weren't very interesting. Maybe it's a 5e thing (where everything is nerfed and boring) or because the game is so low level but for the first half of the game the only two enemy types you see are ones that run up and hit you, or ones that shoot you from range.
>>737417624BG2 simulacrum is 60% of the caster's level and hit points
>>737417740It was also way better. Tons of variety, lots to explore, stuff to discover, traps and tons of plot if that is your things.The nautiloid is done in 5 minutes. You meet a frog woman, kill some imps, optionally free shadow fart, then run to press a button. That is it, the entire thing is like 3 rooms.
>>737417657>it's so memorable that everyone remembers it 27 years later.it's so memorable that the most popular BG2 mod is called Dungeon Be Gone
>>737417624Has 5E still not given him a statblock?>>737417657There are multiple mods to skip Irenicus's house.
>>737417764funny story about environment design, one of the goals for DOS2 was to increase verticality, they achieved this by just adding scaffolding everywhere (if you play DOS2 sometimes, just notice how much scaffolding and construction there is in random places just for the sake of having verticality in combat). swen apparently chewed out the level and combat designers for this, because he thought it looked crap and was unimmersive. so for bg3 they were challenged to make levels with verticality without using any scaffolding or construction.
>>737417832you can fin us, it teches the basics of dice rolling, exploring, trying different methods to solve the same problem, it does what a tutorial should do without being so annoying you want to skip it
>>737417847Yeah because it's a 1-2 hour long tutorial dungeon. But as your very first experience of the game it sets expectations sky fucking high.You don't even need a mod to skip the nautiloid. You can just run through it in 2 minutes though.
>>737417891>it's a 1-2 hour long tutorial dungeonI rest my case.
>>737417861Instead they added vines and that same cliff you can climb everywhere. I appreciate they did it and made levels interesting, but they didn't capitalize on it enough either because they couldn't or didn't know how.
>>737417920Correct. And when you first played BG2, you got out of that dungeon and thought to yourself "holy shit, if that was the tutorial this game is going to be amazing".You did not think that with the nautiloid.Sure, on your 5th playthrough it was annoying to do that dungeon again, but you cannot deny your first time doing it was amazing and set your expectations for the rest of the game.
>>737417935>they added vines and that same cliff you can climb everywhereand I just learn fly and go half-illithid for free perma-flight to avoid dealing with it every time
>>737417935>but they didn't capitalize on it enough either because they couldn't or didn't know how.what do you mean by this?the player has less immediate mobility compared to DOS2, where you can expect to get a high mobility travel skill by around level 6 or so
>>737417976not really, the dungeon was kinda lame, the only thing that impressed me was the darkness of the situation with irenicus experimenting on your party.breaking out of the dungeon and seeing just how much of athkatla you could explore was a better expectation-setting moment
>>737411175fpbp.BG3 is the Avatar of video games. >its long, boring, annoying to watch, way too emotional, its like listening to a crying woman for 4 hours>if you manage to suffer through it, you forget about the whole thing the moment the end credits rollBG2 remains King of DND games.
>>737418009A mixture of 5e being bland and low level D&D.It takes a long time to unlock mobility options, and many classes simply never get any. Low level enemies also just didn't make for interesting encounters because they couldn't have many tools available to them.
>>737418060BG2 ruined what BG1 had built and killed off the franchise for decades.
>>737417832>Tons of variety, lots to explore, stuff to discover, traps and tons of plot if that is your things.>genies left and right, dryads, some cambion with an energy shield for some reason, legendary loot out of the assit is too big, with too much filler, but you won't see it this way because you played BG2 before BG3. it's impossible going back to play BG2, if you weren't obsessed with it in the past
>>737418123im a tranny btw.
>>737418123Nah. Throne of Bhaal was disappointing and focused almost entirely on combat (it felt like one long boss rush). But the franchise ended because the plot ended. There was no reason to make a 3rd game really.
>>737411115I was kind of floored by how much depth there was in act 1, then act 2 started. I already put 50 something hours in and I already knew none of the parasite removal options in act 1 wouldn't work, why even bother?game sucks, why ISN'T there an option to end the game in act 1?
>>737418135I replayed BG2 recently and still think that dungeon is better than anything in BG3.
I'm not invested or involved in this argument, but thinking about Irenicus's house does actually raise an issue looking back.The traps and locks in the place should have been undetectable and unpickable for the level you are at. If you think about it logically, there's no way his stuff should be accessible to the player.
>>737418193After chapter 2 BG2 is a long series of combat gauntlets really, and I hate how often "rocks fall, your party is captured" that DM tier moments it has and it never feels earned like in BG1, you just feel legit stupid for being a high level fully buffed improved invisible 6 man party and you get captured yet again like a bunch of rookies.
>>737418221I ignored the tadpole entirely, but it's obviously there to force you and the party to continue onwards.I mean, if you removed the tadpole early, who of the group would even continue onwards? Karlach and Wyll maybe because they are the do gooder type. Laezel is a 50/50, she could go back to the Gith or go and kill some squids because that is literally all the Gith care about.But everyone else has basically no motivation to continue, including the main character.So they had to introduce the tadpole to everyone to follow the plot.
>>737418330bg3 is borderline unplayable with its neverending spam of combat encounters every time you move a few steps, its possibly the most combat-spammed DND game ive ever seen.it wouldnt be so bad if the combat wasnt also the worst combat ever implemented in a DND game. 2/10 on a generous day.
>>737418459bg2*
>>737418221Volo should have a hidden dice roll with like a 19 or 20 difficulty to actually manage it because it would be funny for the least qualified option to succeed
>>737418469bg3*.we are talking here about that jew tranny game larian spewed out from its office, not the awesome classic game beloved by DND fans - BG2.
>>737418459>go for the eyes Boo AAAAAARGHH>*squeak*, *squeak*my favourite line, never tired of hearing it
>>737418523that's kind high, but it would be funny
>>737418459>neverending spam of combat encountersits called larian game design. its when you dont know what content to add to your game, so you just make it longer by adding combat every 30 seconds.
>>737411169>>737416710>public domain
>>737418239Moonrise Towers is a very fun dungeon to clear out
>>737418687To be fair, I think there is only 3 mandatory battles in BG3. The rest are entirely avoidable.It's not that BG3 has too much combat, it's that the world is tiny and mostly empty so combat is the only thing to do inbetween quest hubs.
>>737418841i highly doubt that, the majority of my playtime was spent in combat. and the combat is so boring it made me wish I was playing a call of duty campaign
I sometimes feel like I'm living in a different reality because are people just not remembering the majority of BG1 and 2 maps being combat gauntlets. And the combat is not even that good in those games so its even more of an issue there.
>>737418881No, there is only 3 mandatory battles in BG3. The Gith ambush, the act 2 final boss and Orin. Every other battle can either be avoided or skipped through some other method.
>>737418841unfortunately its not avoidable, most of it is designed to just waste my time with the never ending spam of combat.i was pretty much already burned out completely when i ended act 1. >start act 2>move a few steps>combat startsit was just too much.
>>737418971Orin duel as Dark Urge was so fun
>>737418459You just need to raise the FPS from 30 to 60. Everyone did this before the EE because that option had the most visibility in BG's separate config utilty. The EE deleted that utility and hid the option (it's now in Baldur.lua). I can imagine that it's brutal for zoomers who play it nowadays without knowing, but each of the big stronghold quests takes an hour at most at 60 fps.
>>737418882>this nigga remembers bg1 and 2 as a combat gauntlet>is it just me? yes its just you.
>>737418841>It's not that BG3 has too much combat, it's that the world is tiny and mostly empty so combat is the only thing to do inbetween quest hubsyou head is mostly empty, just like your slights at BG3
>>737419045so you're just lying to yourselves then? or too much nostalgia? its one thing to make up shit at larian games to be mad at, but its another to accuse larian games of faults while defending other games with those faults in the same breath. its like self-gaslighting or something ig
>>737419081no, its just you. >95% of my BG2 playtime is exploring, talking, doing questsfantastic game design. >95% of my BG3 playtime was waiting for the enemy to finish his turnhorrible game design.
>>737418882keep in mind that you're arguing with trolls. if you expect a honest talk, you're wasting your time
>>737419046Except it's true. In Act 1 you got the goblin and druid camps, and everything in between is basically empty except for the combat.The entire north of the map has the inn on fire (combat), some hyenas/gnolls (combat), the paladins (combat) and the gith (combat).That is it, once you've done these combat encounters, that chunk of the map is devoid of anything else. You can walk around that part of the map as much as you want, you will find nothing there.The vast majority of BG3 is designed like this.
>>737419163I don't think you played either game, evidently>>737419167you're right. I don't know what it is about this game specifically that causes so many schizos like this. with other popular games its just people going "actually this sucks!" but for this game specifically you get a whole breed of psychos.
>>737418841>it's that the world is tiny and mostly empty so combat is the only thing to do inbetween quest hubs.calling it "hubs" is extremely generous. >act 1 barely has a few NPCs, not even a "hub">act 2 is pretty much just a road during the night, how many NPC's are there?>act 3 no idea i uninstalled in act 2this whole thing was fucking cringe to play.
>>737419172>>737419239least reductive /v/ arguments
>>737413996He actually died in one of my Honour Mode tries, one of the goblins rolled a crit on its attack and the goblin passive.
>>737411115sorry i dont play jewish games.
>>737419172>Except it's true.of course it is. but nothing pisses these shills off more than pointing out that BG3 has literally no content, they got no reply to that.
its weird how in every bg3 thread the people who just make shit up about the game to complain about always come in around the 200 reply mark
>>737419338BG3 feels like it should be a 20 hour long game based on the size of the world. But for some reason even speed running it takes 30-40 hours and for most people it's a 60-100 hour long game.Can't even explain it really, it's just stretched out so much.
>>737419172that's like saying BG2 is mostly empty. it's just enemy spam between badly written lore dumps. I'd just like to know why the obsession with trashtalking BG3. anyone with who played both games knows you're full of shit. so why?
>>737411115>woke shitpass
>>737418882There are some fun and memorable combat encounters in BG1 despite the simpler mechanics, the Nashkel mines, the tunnels after the catacombs, the ending underground citadel, they tried to make it more interesting with the terrain layout, you can maneuver around and encircle the enemies before striking, I can't recall anything like this in BG2, it's a lot more stand in place and dump spells in an empty arena or long narrow corridor kind of game.
>>737411845why does this feel unnaturally inoffensive and disturbing at the same time?
>>737419383the thing is, bg3 actually is empty, BG2 has so much content its insane. like seriously, how many NPC's are in bg3 act 1?and now many NPC's are in bg3 act 2?how many? anybody who actually played it, can you answer?
>>737419431I generally enjoyed BG1 much more than BG2, up to and including music. Same with Kingmaker compared to Wrath. It's a shame because I actually like high level RPG combat and character building in theory but many games just struggle to actually implement that
>>737419382>BG3 feels like it should be a 20 hour long game based on the size of the world but it takes 100 hours to finishi will tell you why.>press end turn>go walk the dog, make dinner, take a shower, read work emails>go back to bg3>the enemy is still doing its turn
>>737419459https://bg3.wiki/wiki/List_of_charactersyou can count them yourself
>>737419383oh, its just the tencent schizo and his alts
>>737419459BG3 has 150 GBs of content and BG2 has only 2 GBs. you can't even win at your own retarded game
>>737419526>i didnt play the game so i will give you a wiki linkXD
>>737419572XD
remember the guy last thread who threw a giant tantrum about a magic item only for it to be revealed he actually didn't know what that magic item did...because he didn't play the game.what about bg3 attracts schizos like this?
>>737419572Honestly, Larian should release an editor like Neverwinter Nights has.
>>737419578>>737419619>seething
>>737419459>like seriously, how many NPC's are in bg3 act 1?i know for sure there is 1 NPC in the cave in the grove.maybe 2?not sure if there were any more.
>>737419657kys. promptly
>>737419650>i cant honestly tell you how many NPC's are in act 1 because i didnt play BG3 at allok :D
>>737419695>seething
>>737419702so in skyrim threads do you ask people how many NPCs are in whiterunor do you only have intense neurosis for this game specifically
>>737419746>seething
>>737419779why do you act so mindbroken over a game you've never even played, to the point of just making shit up about it in the hopes of derailing threads? I just don't understand it. at least tencent schizo thought he was spreading word of some vast conspiracy. what do you even hope to do, trick people who didn't play the game into believeing you? do you really think that there is anyone in this thread that hasn't played the game other than you?
>>737419880tldr.>ashamed to say how many NPC's are in act 1 and act 2 in BG3>starts seething
>>737420037just answer the question, schizo. no one will continue to argue about the game with you
>>737420037no one's ashamed to say anything, the wiki link was already posting showing every NPC in the game. are you retarded?
>>737420037>>737420103>>737420106>just answer the questionyes please can i see the answer to that question?how many NPC's are in act 1 and act 2 in BG3?>read the wiki!no no no no no no.just say it.how many?1? 5? 40? 100?
>>737420175why tf should anyone answer that? count it yourself you big baby. can you name the exact number of NPCs in BG2 you retard?
>trannies STILL seething BG3 wonLarian won Keep seething trannies
>>737419459Bg2 has no content at all, just filler trash battles and basic "go to x place kill y enemy" quests.
My theory is that just saying "the characters are ugly" or "I don't like turn based combat" or "the game isn't for me" isn't "legitimate" enough criticism for them, they need to ensure this game is objectively buried in the dirt and hated by everyone for some reason, and so they try and make up these more "official" complaints that criticize some aspect of the game design. But since they didn't actually play the game they just end up looking like massive schizo retards.
>>737411115Still can't believe I got memed into pirating this shit but at least I finally get why it's so popular with normalfags. It's legit not even a game, it's more of a movie than a fucking VN. At least you can skip past the dialogue boxes in a VN once you're done reading, if you have a faster reading pace than a nigger and try to skip past the dogshit drawling voice acting in BG3 characters just teleport across the screen because Larian treats their consumers like morons and didn't properly implement anything.
>>737420337Lost of PF fans really hate the game because it broke into the mainstream unlike their stuff.
>>737420206>why tf should anyone answer that? why not? its a pretty simple question, the answer to that question will help us measure the amount of content in both these games.
>>737420279>he didnt even play itXD
>>737411175I hear more about e33 than bg3
Can't wait for the seethe Divinity will cause
>>737420451you've already been spoonfed enough. do it yourself or gtfo nigger
>>737420478I did, it was dogshit.Did you play it?
>>737420393Why the fuck would you want the niche hobby you love to go mainstream
>>737420519Obviously not. >>737419163
>>737420393can't really say anything negative about those games. I didn't play them, but I heard they have lots of woke content
>>737420393>>737420487I wonder how much of it is industry resentment too.Remember the whole "raising the standard" discourse before launch? Every developer under the sun was quick to label BG3 as this once in a lifetime miracle that was never to be repeated instead of just the result of not running your company like a fucking retard. BG3 made them look bad and so they seethed over it.
>>737420525because the financial success of billion dollar companies is my life and joy
>>737420490not really, you shills didnt spoonfeed jack shit in the whole thread>read the wikiXD>shills who didnt play it cant even say how many NPC's are in act 1 and act 2XD
>>737420619who tf is keeping exact count of NPCs? you've been given all the tools, do it yourself dumb nigger baby
>>737420639He's constructing an arbitrary and irrelevant strawman as he has no real argument.
>>737420175im playing it right now and it seems there are 2 (TWO) NPC's in act 1. didnt get to act 2 yet, if i ever get there, im getting filtered by the reddit dialogues.
>>737420525because it proofs that the model is successful and would mean more funding for future games
>>7374201755 if you count the frog and the british gay faggot before they join the team.
>>737420673I almost feel bad for the people who actually played the game and didn't like it, it is extremely obvious when someone actually played the game (some anons earlier in the thread) versus a schizo shitposter like we're dealing with now.
>>737420678post a screenshot of your party
my super-buffed skellies killed the master brain without me even stepping inside lmao
>>737420750>2 npcs in the druid grove>the frog and the britfag>the gobbo you talk to before you kill itdamn, it is 5.
>samefaggingsad
Does this retard not know what an npc is? There's like 300 in act 1
>>737417565I liked both games but for me bg2 is just better in every way that isn't the actual gameplay. I suppose I could be convinced that the characters in 3 a better, but that's a depth vs breadth discussion.
>>737420909he is mentally ill
>>737420909He realized his webm spam wasn't getting replies anymore so he switched to a new tactic.
>>737411115>but.. you can remove members underwear
>>737420930I guess I could say it has a cozier atmosphere but when it comes to nostalgia stuff like that BG1 beats 2. I would definitely say that 1 is underrated and 2 is overrated.
>>737420909>>737420945>>737420946>some faggot actually counted all the NPC's in act 1>its barely a few NPCswhat was larian doing all these years lol.
>>737421018I played both back to back as a kid and the only thing 1 has over 2 is the way it handles exploring the world map. It's 2 all the way for me.
>>737421023Collecting the most retarded shitskins for their marketing.
>>737420930the only thing BG2 has going for it are longer dungeons at the expense of everything else. if you like dungeon crawling, BG2 is the game for you. Irenicus's dungeon is designed as a themepark that doesn't make any sense, except the devs going "look how BEEG our dungeons are. this is what you want, right?" yes, this is what I did want, 20 years ago
>>737421167yeah this thread shows it, these pajeets didnt even bother to actually play it, they just redirect to a wiki page lol.
>>737421224It’s fitting for a last hurrah of AD&D, I guess…combat was just so mind numbing in that game, I just couldn’t wait for it to be over. I felt the same way about wrath of the righteous.
>>737421023its the same with act 2. you can count all the people you can talk to on 1 hand.
>>737411175Aaaaay, the resident anti-BG3 schizo is back! I missed ya buddy, how've you been?
>one minute apart
>>737421224>>737421290>BG2 was the last DND game that had actual contentIt’s fitting for a last hurrah of AD&D, I guess…
>>737419521the reason why the game devolves into "heres 500 enemies have fun" is because larian unintenionally or not decided to fuck around with bounded accuracy which is one of the core design principles behind 5e. bounded accuracy was introduced to make even basic enemies potenitally dangerous but with the number of various stat bonuses, buffs, potions, abundant magic equipment etc that bg3 showers you with this shit doesn't work here so they had to compensate somehow and they went with a crazy number of enemies for some reason
>>737421337His new tactic is to just make random shit up about the game and try and see what gets replies. Currently he is sperging out about BG3 having "no content". Earlier he complained that BG3 had too much combat. Now he is praising BG2 for having too much combat.
>>737420818That's one of the best ways to deal with beholders in general, just drone strike them with skeletons or magic swords while the party chills somewhere else.
>>737421428You're actually illiterate.
>>737421401it felt like they spammed combat encounters every 30 seconds, i understand the need to artificially prolong the game when it has no content but come on, this is just too much.
>>737421495You can't even count nigger.
my favorite was the post>if you remove all the locations, encounters, quests, and NPCs from this area, there’s nothing to do!like cmon let’s be serious here people.
>>737421516why did i even reply to you
>>737419521>>737421401asian gacha turn based games have an "autoplay" feature, bg3 really needed that button.
BG3 is the only Larian game I found tolerable.Both on story and gameplay.Divinity OS1&2 are such a fucking slogfest and part of it hit BG3 with all the shitty clutter loot and being forced to open dialogue with a single character instead of rolling whoever is best for the check.>>737421290Old D&D is just scrolling/flipping pages of the manual to figure out what kind of spell counters or heals the specific status condition and what level of spell fits to deal with a specific kind of a myriad of similar negative status debuffs.Then roll attack and cast the occasional damage spell. Also CCs are useless because later on everyone is immune to almost everything you can cast.AD&D as it was implemented in the Infinity Engine is more about checking out your game manual.
>>737421649I loved the teleporter pyramids. I hope they return in the next game.
>>737421624because he's right.
>>737421401Other crps also do this. Dozens of trash mobs to overwhelm your tank with the rare lucky roll + spread to your backline + block your frontliners to reach enemy squishies.Almost a moot point since you end up neutralizing or nuking everyone quickly past the first levels.
>>737421634nothey needed to decide if they want to do 5e or not and stick to that, as it is the game is in this weird limbo where its neither and its actively worse for itthat doesn't mean that the game is terrible but its not as good as it coud have been
>>737421634something like rtwp? no, the players made it clear that they prefer turn based. no, the voices in your head don't count as players
>>737421519That would be you my mentally ill schizo.
>>737421401I never really found this to be an issue. Do people not clear out the goblin camp or moonrise towers systematically? It’s kinda clear that taking them on in one giant battle isn’t the optimal play.
>>737421736Turn-based was the standard, even the fucking TTRPG ruleset most classic games are based on or heavily inspired is fucking turn-based.Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 had BioWare making adaptations to 6s rounds and other stuff to make the games more real time. I read it was supposed to bank on the popularity of RTSs and Diablo at the time. And it worked. And the more complex classes and characters became, compared to somewhat simple fire & forget fighter-types in BG1, you end up pausing and micro-ing too much.But I will never understand why RtwP, a successful gimmick, became the "standard". Turn-based is back and will remain for a long time.
I can't imagine how mad he is, seething in BG3 threads for so long, but every new post it gets funnier
>>737421736>the players made it clear that they prefer turn based. not really, no.
>>737421847>But I will never understand why RtwP, a successful gimmick, became the "standard".It didn’t, really. Every rtwp studio moved to making straight action games instead.
>>737421847>I will never understand why RtwP, a successful gimmick, became the "standard"because the devs thought that attention span of the average retard was too short to suffer through turn based combat, combined with the incompetence of the devs to make turn based combat engaging. well, until Larian proved them wrong
>>737421847turn based video games shouldnt even exist in the first place, thats why everybody always kept making DND games either real time or rtwp, turn based is for low IQ braindead people.
>>737422006The fact that Original Sin 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 mogged Obsidian so hard is still hilarious to me.I even think Obsidian whined and complained how making a fully-voiced game was unfeasible.Larian proved them wrong twice.Then they went and made Avowed, which is a dogshit action game.
>>737421945really, yes. look at the sales of BG3 and the amount of people playing it at the moment. then look at rtwp numbers. oops
>>737422037well it’s funny because dragon age went real time specifically to capture the mass effect audience, and mass effect was trying to capture the call of duty audience (as stated by BioWare themselves) so basically you’re just wrong
>>737422006it takes zero effort to make turn based combat, thats why larian went with it. >all the production effort went into companions>we have to add something else to the game>just put a placeholder combat and UI, people will be too busy jerking off anyway
>>737422082>yes all the developers dropped turn based because its boring and wont sellcool thanks for agreeing with me.
>>737422058>I even think Obsidian whined and complained how making a fully-voiced game was unfeasible.This is hilarious to me, knowing that DOS2 full voice work wasn’t planned originally but they found they had space and time in the budget for it (the game was developed in just two years) and even though the line count increased by like a million lines they still managed to do it eh cause Larian is a well managed company and Obsidian is not.
>>737422082DA:O felt like an organic progression from BioWare coming from BG2 and NwN1.DA2 was the one that really felt like they tried to mass effect-fy the gameplay and it backfired horribly.
>>737420393If you ask me, Wrath of the Righteous is one of the best D&D based games to be made. It's only and main downside is the retarded balancing and how they bloated everything to the point that 90% of the classes are not viable on even normal difficulty and how spamming 200 buffs on yourself is basically mandatory. The shitty war minigame is annoying too but easy enough you can mostly skip it.
>>737421224It had damn good companions, the dungeons are excellent, the atmosphere is mint, the story is pretty good for a classic beat-the-baddie plot and the writing outside of the main story is more than solid too. The gameplay, for what it is, is an improvement over 1 if only for not being stuck in low level D&D combat.Yes, I like dungeon crawling. Irenicus' dungeon is fantastic, but it's not like getting your dick sucked, it gets old after the 10 time.
>>737420387First thing I did was modding the game to remove the narrator's voice. I fuckin hate that stupid idea.I am a guy that loves to read, you see? So it really pissed me off
>>737422103You have clearly not played many turn based games. It is very obvious when a developer doesn’t know how to make one (cough cough Owlcat). Even disregarding systems little things like how satisfying it feels to kill things or animations can add or detract to a combat system.
>>737421023Do you not know what an npc is? There's hundreds in act 1
>>737421224BG2 is still the best DND game ever made, larian couldnt even get close to the level of quality. what a total dissapointment, especially the reddit dialogues.
>>737422182Buffstacking is the most absolute retarded shit in Pathfinder crpgs. BUt there is one mod that turns it into a couple of buttons.And you don't need buffs all the time under higher difficulties, but not being protected against a certain CC beforehand takes you to a variety of Do or Die situations, so it's better to keep buffing anyway.
>>737422182That game is super overrated. Even ignoring BG3, Kingmaker had better companions, writing, and hell even combat.
>>737422262
>>737422262>oh.. Irenicus.. he showed me things... oh.. my head hurtsfuck off
>>737422275The reason you even need so much fucking buff stacking is because on normal difficulty most enemies have 20-100% more attack and AC than they would have on the pen and paper version. The bloated stats make it almost mandatory you buff otherwise you will have to rely on rolling a 20 to hit shit but always get hit in return.It's nuts that on normal difficulty by end game you need a minimum of 50-70 AC just to have a reasonable chance of surviving any encounter.Like I said, outside of this retarded balancing the game is great.
I hope they don't keep up with the turn based shit for BG4, easily the worst part of the game.Just make it like Diablo 3 or something.
>>737422325WotR was tighter and improved mechanically but its systems are tied to a retarded game and story, unfortunately.Kingmaker is much better in every other regard.
>>737422412both games are not finished, no matter how great of a potential they had. what counts is the end result
>>737411175holy cope
>>737422240are you sure about that?
>>737422262this.
>>737420587And you know what comes with funding? Niggers and faggots.
>>737422262>reddit dialogues.Minsc and Jan are reddit incarnate
>>737422617they are also in pathfinder games and those don't have funding. your theory seems wrong
>>737422402That's really retarded, what's their reasoning for that?
>male gnome: "I need you to save my husband">female gnome: "Please, save my wife!"This game is so fuckin gay, all the time, it's absurd. When it's not this Fagtarion ondulating like a slut in front of you, it's a random NPC talking about their same-sex partner. Also you can choose like 4 or 5 different types of dicks but you can't have a boob slider. Fucking cringe, man. And some people bitched about Irabeth being married to Anevia? Baldur's Gate? More like Baldur's Gay. At this point I'm surprised the final boss doesn't puke rainbows on you
>>737422550Yes.Like I actually don't get, are you really saying there's only like a couple of NPCs in act 1?
>>737422645This.BG1 has an endless amount of quirky dialogue that would be flagged as "reddit" nowadays. Even that one "Don't call me Shirley" line.BG2 toned it down a bit. It was a reverse Fallout 1 & 2 situation.
Can Owlcat stop fucking up their releases so their fans stay in their own threads instead of shitposting here.>human admech AGAIN that will be $20 (it will go to the mass effect clone not DH)
The enemy mage tried using Time stop, but he was boxed in by the skeletons and could do nothing lol
>>737422769
>>737422727>yesyeah you might want to double check that.
>>737422645oh man i wish that level of reddit stayed in bg3.because what we actually got was some turbo-reddit with tumblr and grindr combined. that shit was unplayable.
>>737421775it is cool that you can compensate in these scenarios but there are scenarios where you can't do that because the game will throw you in the middle of combat, the final battle is one such example so i would still argue that its bad design
>>737422826I guess it had to come down to just straight up nonsense. BG3 really raped your brain beyond repair, I'm sorry.
>>737411115Soooo.. literally D&D whenever Mindflayers or the Hells are involved? Hell maybe the Time Police?
This retard mistakes the term npc for companions you can have in your party and camp fucking retard knows fuck all about games.
>>737422385just kill her retard
>>737422704The game has so much broken shit I guess they felt they had to do it to even keep it challenging and bloating stats is just easier than designing good encounters.The stat bloat is so bad, in act 3 when you might be level 9-10, you can run into enemies with 40-50 AC. You literally have no chance of hitting them except rolling a 20 without stacking a load of buffs. It's just impossible otherwise.
>>737422953Oh. I guess calling characters you can play as Non Playable Characters confused me a bit.
>>737422902The final battle is kinda badly designed but I thought the idea was you spam your allies while you beeline for the brain. Stopping to fight everything is also missing the point.
>>737411146why would a niche game cost so much to license?
>No romance options that are Dwarf, Halfling, Gnome or Goblin>But there is a romance option that involves a tall, buff Elf turning into an actual bear and fucking youSo what, Midgets aren't allowed to have sex or be in love with tall folk?
>>737421428Nah, he’s pretty clearly got some gay gotcha lined up, but it hinges on people dancing to his tune. Since the bad faith is blatant nobody can be bothered to entertain him, and since he’s a complete retard this genuinely didn’t occur to him, which is what’s getting him completely assmad.I remember some other dipshit who tried something similar about how the game allegedly has no magic items, and it turned out that his ultimate angle was getting someone to bring up the everburn blade, because his actual goal was trying to claim killing the cambion was impossible without guides and cheesing.Never underestimate how fucking stupid this people can be.
>>737423043For me it was one of the DLC dungeons had a plant that instantly stunned you every round if you failed an impossible to meet roll, but there was one spell randomly that just completely negated the mechanic by making you immune. Very strange design.
>>737423058because wizards of the woke are insane
>>737423069>So what, Midgets aren't allowed to have sex or be in love with tall folk?you can play as a short race and still romance anyone in the game, anon.
>>737423069The companions are so absurdly vanilla it's painful. Literally zero short companions, no orc, no dragonborn...Of course the game doesn't have goliaths, deva or genasi.
>>737423046Anyone who was played rpg's for more than 10 hours knows the difference between npc characters and companions/party members. Lay of the shitposting and actually play some games lil bro.
>>737422913>seethingaww geez, so you didnt find all those hundreds of NPCs in act 1, huh?: (
>>737411115Yes, Might & Magic is a great series.
>>737422262fpbp
>>737423119True. The funny part is that the ever burn blade isn’t even that good and getting is a waste of time.
>>737423179Yes, but why not the other way around? Why's it fine to do it AS the short races but not if you are a non-short race?>>737423241I know right? Larian played it way to fucking safe.. but sadly it worked.
>>737423359The entire point of the game was to turn Larian into a household name while using an IP as a safety net for adding cinematics. Of course all the companions are going to be human looking in both appearance and height because that’s easiest to get working with cinematics. Keep in mind that during the development of this game the team expanded from 100 people to 500 people.
>>737411115>the only thing anybody will ever remember about this woke trash is the cringe romance optionswestern gaming in a nutshell.
>>737411115nawit's more like "D&D but even more gay and reddit"BG was already shitbut BG3 is more shit than that
>>737420780>>737420678still waiting
I hope they bring back the insane cackling as you kill enemies in Divinity.It very accurately portrayed real bloodlust.
>>737415659Because it works for the lowest common denominator. Everyone knows Tolkien fantasy, so everyone can jump right into D&D without reading an extensive setting book. D&D does have more interesting settings, but they just ain't popular.
>>737423528>most successful CRPG was trash and the one that surpassed the most successful CRPG is even worsewhich one do you recommend, gamer of superior taste?
>>737423679>D&D does have more interesting settings, but they just ain't popular.because the writing sucks dicks, thats why it isnt popular. There isnt even 1 well written sentence in bg3, in the meantime i can go through trillion lines of dialogue in Torment and not even blink because its so fucking interesting.
>Game has been out for three years>Can't find a single good mod that gives female Dwarves sexy outfits >90% of outfit mods are tied to Body Type 1Even the modders are massive fags.
>>737423401Because Beast was the least popular companion in DOS2
>>737423816do you have a fetish for disabilities or what?
Y'know, I get that the Narrator is supposed to be the big brain from the end of the game.. but fuck does it ruin the immersion
>>737423884I just like shortstacks.
>>737423816>the average bg3 fan
If you are a proud Russian you'll reject this satanic game
>tfw you think he can't come up with something even more retarded, until he proves you wrong
>>737423885Wait, the narrator is the Elder Brain...?
>>737424004no
>>737423924the 300 year old vampire kind?
>>737424004Nope. Different voices and distinct "characters" (if you can call the Narrator one) altogether even within the game's lore.Larian wanted a fully-voiced game so all that fluff descriptive fluff you get in crpgs had to be voiced somehow, thus that narrator. OS2 has something similar IIRC.
>>737424030Pretty sure that was the implication.. kinda
>>737424085No. I just like short women. I'm not into lolibabas.
>>737424103It's not. But it's cool because it was done in such a way many players could make that their headcanon.The Elder Brain doesn't even have a direct connection to you for most of the game.
Why can't the gays and shit be low key and "normal"?Remember Arcade Ganon from NV?Gay....but that was it. Not wacky or shoving it in my face with a faggot lisp.Just...oh, I have a husband. That's it.Not a questline where I have to reunite them and get a trans super mutant named Ronald Fuckdonald to marry them in The Glow or some shit.
>>737424103there is no implication. you even speak directly to the brain on numerous occasions and it sounds nothing like the narrator, nor does it talk like she does
>>737424208It's because fags these days have to make their faggotry their entire personality.
>>737411910REMEMBER THIS GAME WAS FUCKING EARLY ACCESS AND WASN'T A COMPLETE PRODUCT FOR YEARS.THEY COULDN'T EVEN GET DLC, SOMETHING WHICH BG1 AND 2 HAS!
Bae'zel
>>737424289It's actually kinda pathetic if you think about it. Larian just shat it out after a few years in early access, gave it a few updates and then dumped it.
It's either troon tieflings or pedobait robot lolis these days. I am not intended audience anymore.
>>737417448Top be far, if you know D&D lore then being Mystra's fucktoy isn't so much as an achievement as a massive red flag and hint to abandoned the guy on the side of the road and move countries. Mystra's a giant manipulative fucking whore and has a long history of picking up kids with magic potential for the sole purpose of using them as tools.
>>737422826Party companionsTreasure huntersSkeleton manLike a dozen druidsTwo dozen tieflingsHalf a dozen kidsHagDumb bitch that made deal with hagHer brothersSmart ogreLow tier cultistsBard guyA dozen goblins (excluding the ones with no dialogue)The couriers in the caveThe other smugglersThe gnome on the windmillThe people in the burning tavernThe high ranking cultists The bdsm cultist guyThe researcher that wants a gith eggLike a dozen githThe petrified drow guyThe friendly mindflayerThe mushroom people The weird robot in the wizard's towerThe booal cultistsThe dwarf in the mushroom fieldThe nigger dwarfsThe enslaved gnomesThe dumbass drow foremanAnd that's just the one's I remember, how exactly is that just a couple? Do you not know what an npc is?
>>737415659Bro just play another tabletop game
>>737424508This.There's even one lorebook in BG1 about how she possessed a woman's body Zeus-like just to make her breed with one the best spellcasters so his lineage was improved.But this made the person she possessed (and woman this mage loved) become just a husk, almost like a zombie when she left.Compare Elminster's cautious behavior regarding Mystra compared to Gale gloating about it.
>>737411115>Dungeons and Dragons>Except>It's lame and gay>Is now considered a measuring stick for the rest of the CRPG genreMen have gone mad, and when they see a man who is not mad, they scream "You are mad, you are not like us."
>>737411115This game raped the shit out of this site and is still probably the best RPG and maybe game to release that decade (2013-2023). Star fags of the War and Todd variety BTFO, and a game about magic with a less in depth system than Elden Ring, what a fucking bloodbath. An RPG with systems depth that goes deep enough to make it feel like an im-sim is an achievement, and no one on this site has managed to make a coherent enough argument to ever dissuade me from thinking that. So happy this game managed to filter retards at the marketing stage, best thing that ever happened to it.
>>737411115worst DND game ever made. Pure modern jew slop cringe.
>>737413640Blacks are insufferable. The sane parts of the worlds are rapidly succumbing to nigger fatigue and you can't make a likeable black character anymore because it's either niggers like what you describe, brutish scum that everyone is tired of, or it's white guys with dark skin, which everyone understands is just another attempt to push niggers into dominance in media by going "Look, they're just like you!".Nobody likes niggers anymore. They were a trend when you were a child and now they're not anymore.
>>737423134welcome to dnd and derivatives
>>737413710>some peopleAlmost all people. And the ones who genuinely, from the bottom of their heart, are not racist at all, are literally mentally ill.
>>737424628Never post that walled whore again
>>737424694the game BTFO'd half the industry, including "works of passion" with ancient fanbases, that were considered to be never surpassed. massive seething was unavoidable, especially because a big chunk of those ancient fanbases no longer play video games. they just like to whine about the death of CRPG-genre
>>737424694lmaohttps://youtu.be/n_swiCRjSJA
>>737424962it didnt btfo anything, bg3 is literally the avatar of gaming.
>>737424879>the ones who genuinely, from the bottom of their heart, are not racist at all, are literally mentally illis this what retards say to themselves? you stop being racist when you see that the difference in IQ varies far more between individuals than races and therefore retarded to assume someone's IQ based on their race
>>737424962I'd strangle the CRPG genre to death with my own hands before I ever accept BG3 as what it has become.
>>737425091The jeet's blatantly samefagging.
>>737424962The sad part is those same people just can’t acknowledge how those previous games set the foundation for BG3, and is an iteration in that style, it’s a sendup. The works exist in tandem with one another to form a shared tapestry of the CRPG genre. It knows what people like about these games and even has some surprises in store.
>>737425183I mean it effectively is a dead genre, that’s why BG3 is the best thing that happened to it LMFAO, nobody fucking makes CRPGs and I know your ass isn’t playing Disco.
>>737425218bg3 didnt use any foundations other than being an asset flip of divinity original sin 2.
>>737425218LMAO
>>737425168this nigga on some 2000 era social programming lmao. rare to see one of your kind in the wild anymore
>>737425218>>737425349
>>737425218people play crpgs to watch hours of cutscenes of characters talking?
>>737425336>playing DiscoAnon Disco is a VN. Not a crpg.
>>737425420>bg3 character creation.jpg>Clearly Divinity
>>737411845>Bro really thinks actual conservatives wouldnt call him a gay little fairy for playing DnDYou are playing a satanic game of make believe instead of doing Trad things like chopping firewood or working on an oil rig. There is no salvaging what you are.
>>737420235>>trannies STILL seething >BG3 won>Larian won>Keep seething trannies
>ui for character customization having a resemblance to one another means LE GAME RUINEDmeltyyyyyyy
>>737425443no, they play crpgs to read hours of text of characters talking
>>737424923I think she's cute.
>>737425168You know those bell curve memes where the genius always agrees with the retard while the midwit copes with some unnecessarily complex platitudes? Take a wild guess where you are on that curve.
>>737425509It has character building and factions. It was a tabletop campaign before it was ever even a book.
>>737425649which is impossible in bg3 because they had to get their money's worth out of the hollywood budget so you have to turn off your brain and wait for the voice actors to do their thing instead of reading at your own pace
>>737425168>retard doesn't understand per capita
>keeps passive aggressively talking to air even as nobody replies to him for hours on endWhat level of schizophrenic butthurt is this
>>737425743I would be in the middle, because that meme is made by coping retards, who fancy themselves as intellectuals
>>737425847>failing to read a memeimpressive
>>737425904>posting something retardedexpected
>>737425846I literally jumped into this thread because this game generates seethe on par with Zoe Quinn getting off scot free (a decade of living in fear is getting off free).
I have been noticing that literally every post made by anons who don't bother with punctuation or capitalization is inevitably an utterly worthless shitpost even by the standards of 2026 4chan.
>>737425847Yes, you are in the middle. You're the lower end of the midwit spectrum, someone who has just barely enough cognitive capacity to not blindly obey his insticts, but someone who's still too retarded to understand the reality behind those instincts, why you have them, or why others obey them, while people smarter than you went full circle and realized there's a reason they have those primordial thoughts in the first place.
>>737417457BG3 is like a campaign designed by a GM that has a bunch of players with main character syndrome and 30 page backstories for OCs that have nothing to do with each other.
>>737426267>107iq condescends to 105iqYou love to see it.
>>737426357I think on a level that you don't even know exists yet. Most likely you won't ever know, because your growth potential is hard-capped genetically, but it could be possible that you're just extremely young and your brain will grow out of it. I hope it does, because midwit territory is probably the worst. You're not as jolly as a retard and you can't grasp the truth the way the clever cunts do, you're just perfect cattle.
*YAWN*
>>737426507Nah, you're just going through your adult chunni phase. You aren't on my level, the proof? You're easily influenced by propaganda that's why you're doing the midwit retardation.
>beardless gay nigger dwarf with fag voiceYou can't make this shit up. It's like a parody of what people think "woke", except L*rian is serious about it
>>737426326If having party members with writing bothers you just use hirelings, this is a complaint on par with gay romances, like don’t play the content nephew
>>737426819>The proof? You're, uhm, easily influenced by things I, uhm, uh, uhm, won't say!I didn't ask you for le source, you decided it's relevant all on your own, and you still fucked up like the retard you are. Nevermind the sheer irony of a midwit citing some "experts say" non-sequitur bullshit about individual differences within a demographic and then telling me I'm somehow the one falling for propaganda.
>>737425631
as much as i enjoyed the game, i can't help but feel a bit disappointed that the game was basically just D:OS3. even down to the religious cult plot thread recycled from D:OS2
>>737427060>If having party members with writing bothers youits the REDDIT writing that bothers people, playing bg3 feels like watching a big bang theory episode.
>>737427076That's the most important thing people should understand. This is not a Baldur's Gate game. It tries to wear that heritage like the MiB roach tries to wear Edgar, but it's *not* a BG game
>>737427063Don't worry chum, I have full faith that you'll move on from soijak memes and eventually leave your chunniness behind.
>>737427147BRAINZINGA
>>737427065>muh CRPGs are too much like DnD!!!!The raped, go play gun ball.
>>737427147>muh quirky improv past time feels TOO REDDIT Do I have news for you, nephew.
>wizard
>>737427065>bg3 was just a low effort asset flip*pretends to be shocked*
>>737427065>>737427335
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4A7HKUJDbodon't mind me, just posting some KINO
>>737427531Arx from DivOS2, I don't really remember much of the city since you don't spend as much time in it as you do Driftwood, especially because it's just a few quests and fights and then the game ends.
>>737427531>game that clearly apes Tamriel looks like TamrielWild, glad they got to make the game they wanted, and glad it makes you compile folders of images to convince no one of anything. I played Divinity, man, I’m hip, I don’t care.
>>737427571The opening sequence felt like premature ejaculation. The game blows everything in your face, trying to be super epic>"AND THEN THE DRAGONS ATTACK THE NAUTILOID! AND THEN THE lvl1 PROTAG FACE A CAMBION! AND IT EXPLODES AND..."Calm down, virgin game...You can take it easy
>>737427754>clearly apes TamrielFuck off Todd!
>>737427298>Ad-hominemI accept your concession.
>>737427861I was speaking more to the Pre-Todd era, when all the establishing lore was written and he washed the seasoning off the proverbial chicken. Like I said, BG3 raped Starfelch.
>>737427415>could have had a pregnancy arc with the most unhinged companion>instead she's severely underwritten even if every line she delivers is solid gold
>>737428120>thisBG3 haters will shit on Astarion, Gale, or even Shart. People who actually played the game realize that Minthara is basically hidden from the player, only being easily accessible from evil playthroughs or Durge PCs.
why did nobody tell me that the Drow society is of matriarchal structure? had I known that DnD is woke, I'd never started playing it 40 years ago
>>737428007My chunnigga, you've been making ad-hominems every time you've used the word "midwit." Interacting with people who aren't me always leaves me wanting.
>>737428197I shit on Astarion, Gale, and Shart. I think most of our companions are just kind of bad. I was able to chart every single companion's questline from the very moment I met them and spoke twice.
>>737425617>umm D&D have always been gay and wholesome like in stranger things chuddy ;))that's why you people tried to erase the creator?
>>737428350why are you dodging his point?
>>737428432his (your) point is disingenuous at best
>>737428245Greenwood is massive pevert, it was probably his femdom fantasies.
>>737428830In Menzoberranzan, it is common for priestesses to summon demons during orgies to mate with them
This whole thread makes me want to make a corrupted holy knight playthrough
