It's honestly crazy how hard the industry fell after shmups stopped being popular.
>>737412460I dont think they were ever popular.
>>737412460>after shmups stopped being popularafter people's primary form of gaming stopped being arcades? I'm not sure that was even true then, people liked fighting games a lot
Gee I wonder if this is some kind of bait thread made by the faggot always posting Oniichan is Done For reaction images
The genre died when CAVE decided they didn't want casuals as audience, and other STGs developers wanting to do the same.
yeah but you hate the shmups that were popular back then.They were cool action games that were played by people who enjoyed all sorts of arcade games, not hardcore bullet hell games for a super niche audience.
>>737412460Vampire Survivors is one of the most popular games of all time?
>>737412460>High gameplay density>Impressive mayors with screen covering attacks>Emphasis on 1cc As cultural IQ goes down so do people's ability to appreciate shmups. Now it's all homo DDR machines at arcades. If you can find arcades at all.
>>737413068I hope you realize DDR is the same thing as shmupsAutistic memorization and reaction time
>>737413068>High gameplay density>Emphasis on 1cc True of other games>Impressive mayors with screen covering attacksI wouldn't try flexing how cultured you are irl using shmups
shumps were literally mogged by both fighting games and rhythm ones even in the arcades at their peak
>>737413369shmups were turned into moogles by genres that didn't exist yet?
>>737413507Cope.
These threads are terrible at actually getting people to like shmups.
>>737412680There actually was a shmup craze through the 80s to 90s, if you ever play through the games of that era its a lot of of shmups. I have to disagree with OP though, games like the one is his image were possible because shmups stopped being popular, and they started making them for crazy people, and that's based.
>>737413527I played a few and they are fun for about 10 minutes. the genre is just bad.
>>737413656I would say it's better to run people through a meat grinder, 1 person playing cool shmups is better than 1000 shitters such as yourself. Can't cast a wide net with this sort of thing.
>>737413734The genre is fundamentally unappealing in many ways, regardless of the purity of the action or the gameplay density.
Shmups are such a boring genre. Most people who pretend to enjoy them are only doing so because a youtuber told them it was cultured.
>>737413610Based but stupid. Now the genre is dead because it took it self too seriously.
>>737413789Yeah yeah, back into the ballpit you go. You can discuss the lore about how the balls are colored with your fellow shitters.
>>737413870yep. and this is why the genre is dead.
>>737413869I don't think it's really dead. Shmups already weren't popular when they did this stuff, people wanted casual slop at the time, so they just made games for their core fanbase. When you look at documentaries like thishttps://youtu.be/JMNW6NTfKvQThe common sentiment I see is these devs are hardcore fans of the genre and they just want to make as many games as possible as long as they financially can, and as a result we got a lot of good games to play. And there are still nice indie/doujin games that pop up occasionally today as a result.
>>737412460I hate le gameplay desnity trannies so much
>>737413995This is the most ghetto video game documentary ever uploaded to youtube.
>>737414035It's just old, that's what documentaries used to be like before it was guys making 12 hour skyrim analysis essays on youtube. Here's a documentary on where I live and what things were like when I was a kidhttps://youtu.be/eKtJOtEkwYAI actually own the vhs for this.
>>737412460It is a genre where enjoyment is high from the get go but plateaus almost immediately. Additionally at higher levels of gameplay it inevitably becomes completely abstracted, you are always a dot in a field almost completely filled with projectiles with the firing button held down and nothing else matters, which is to say it becomes boring and uninteresting to all but the autistic performers.It is ironic that the games of this genre most fondly remembered by the average gamer are the easiest. (and Ikaruga, for whatever reason, though I'm not even sure what its difficulty level is)What is strange to me is how few of these had and have multiplayer modes, cooperating with another player while competing for survival adds a whole lot to the game.
>>737414186>and Ikaruga, for whatever reason, though I'm not even sure what its difficulty level isIkaruga is about as hard as a DOJ 1-all is, if not harder.
>>737414035That's how old youtube long video essays used to be like before breadtubers took over
>>737414247Early youtube documentaries were some guy in his room talking with either camcorder filmed TV or crusty ancient capture card footage interspliced. Somehow that's still less ghetto than a French documentary about a Japanese genre translated to English in fuckhuge text in the middle of the screen.
>>737414315That's just what we call SOUL
>>737413057grim
>>737414186>with the firing button held down and nothing else matters, which is to say it becomes boring and uninteresting>he never played a Psyvariar gamekek
>>737412460How do you get good at them? Just keep playing them? Am I destined to suck?
>>737415262Practice mode / save state practice if emulatingThe only way you're destined to suck is if you give up
>>737413610>Tranime
I like R-Type.You have to move the ball around as well as yourself.It's fun getting the ball to do what you want.
>>737412460Where's Cave's logo? Were they bought by someone else?
>>737414730>Linear bullet sprayDo people actually find this intimidating?
bros im trying to beat stage 20 of touhou 1 and the ball keeps fucking me over im not even sure if this is something i can brute force with memorization
I was told the first loop of Dodonpachi is a good beginner 1cc but I've been playing for 10 hours and Im still getting raped. Is this normal or should I give up on this genre?
>>737420741Try pressing the bomb button. DDP kinda sucks for 1-all because the sheer amount of bomba makes you skip everything that could actually kill you.
>im gonna use the bomb at the last moment to save myself from death>get hit before you realize youre in troublehow do you identify the best patterns to use bombs on?
IS THAT A FRICKIN BEE?I HECKIN LOVE DODONPACHI!
>>737421492practice if it's inconsistent hover the bomb button but really you should eventually get so good you can tell when it's over and bomb ahead of time much earlier
>>737421492Like with anything, you also route bombs. Ideally not all of them, so you have enough to use in reaction if you fuck up something else.
>>737420741It's normal and ddp 1-all is very tough for a first 1cc especially if you do npt have proper methods
I LOVE ZERORANGER
>>737412460Galaga is still really popular wdym?
>>737412460Is the ps4 version of daifuk much good? I set up a JP account so I'm looking for good shmups that were region locked
>>737413610I've seen you avatar for years on /vrpg/ and I wonder what exactly is the point?
Any PS1/PS2 danmaku titles that are not dp/ddp/Gradius?
>>737425858parodius!
>>737415262Time, Variety, watching others. It's a bit lame but most of the time slowly going back and forth across the bottom of the screen will bait most bullets in most games away from you, letting you slip out the side or just go back the other way and keep lazering.
>>737424619The point is desperately craving for the attention it's father never gave it.
>>737425941I always feel like such a shitter but the truth is I'm bad at non-vertical titles.
The steam version is 10 fucking Megabytes and I can't get a working torrent inshallah
>>737414730Why do you post this knowing full well in that gif the ship is literally invincible and cannot be harmed by those bullets, why do shitters constantly lie like this? I bet you haven't even 1cc'd the game.
>737426548There was a single working link on gog-games if anyone else was looking to try it.
>>737426882Dude why are you even playing that version, what in the fuck is wrong with you
>>737426001just credit spam bro
>>737426926i've never emulated saturn and I heard it's a nightmare.
>>737421492if you have to us a bomb its already over, you just use bombs on the TLB
>>737427265It's an arcade game, just.... emulate it on mame. What's with people playing crappy ports and even emulating ports of ports, I genuinely don't know if people are pretending to be retarded or what
>>737427738>Crappy I agree. The original arcade release is trash and the console versions are better on account of actually being balanced
>>737420741So something you have to think about is, do I know how to bullet streaming, tap dodge, micro, macro etc, do I know how and when to apply these maneuvers. And if you've never played a shmup before this is probably a good time to be humble and look up one of those "beginners guide to..." or "how to safely 1cc..." guides. You have a fuckton of resources in this game, this is gunna be an exercise of humility and realizing limitations.
>>737427738I thought I knew how to use mame but I need a whole tutorial for it and I honestly just want a working copy of a game I don't care too much which version as long as it's playable.
>>737428543>drag rom into rom folder>launch game>hit tab>assign inputsThat's it
>>737428058nice dildo in the sand
>>737413068>mayors
>>737425858PS2 has the definitive version of Psyvariar 2, but keep in mind it's all about using bullets to graze and become invincible rather than shoot n dodge. The same team did a ps2 shooter called Homura which is excellent and a little more standard. You can emulate both easily on pcsx2.Castle Shikigami 1 and 2 are on the ps2 (2 has the infamous dub), but it might be better to play those on steam. I can't recommend them enough. Similarly ps2 has a great version of Triggerheart Exelica Enhanced, but that's also on steam too, in English even!Finally there's a port of Chaos Field but I'm only familiar with the DC original. It's a weird game and a boss rush but it's kinda neat.
>>737430470Took you 40 mins to come up with that, chapjeet?
>>737428543Just put the ROM in the ROMS folder and then double click mame, hope this tutorial was useful ;)
>>737431103wat>>737431115zoomers dont know what a folder is
>>737431103These threads live because the same 2 schizos will bump them from page 10 every hour.>>737430470>bombarHi chapjeet.
>>737431396>third world hoursunsurprised
Why are shmups so powerful
I like newer shmups better honestly, I can't imagine playing multiple shmups in a row that are like thishttps://youtu.be/shhk239SeTsOnce in awhile is okay but I boomers who live and die pre-mid 90s stuff are just nuts
Do they ever explain why all the shottype girls turned so evil in the sequels? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth knowing that every doll is gonna get me ntr'd by Longhenna in the sequel or kills me in the ending.
>>737413995People still keep making shmups, but when's the last time you got a big AAA mainstream release? Drainus? That's an AA at best. Though it was semi-popular with normies, I don't think you'll ever get an AAA shmup that is. Even back in the CAVE days those games were made for enthusiasts not the general gaming public.
>>737432431>when's the last time you got a big AAA mainstream releaseCygni? Why would you even want that lol
>>737432268>Do they ever explain why all the shottype girls turned so evil in the sequels?I don't know. I have never read anything in a video game. I just enjoy the pictures of anime girls while shooting things.
>>737432268Might be better or worse depending on your point of view, but basically:>Shotia is dead - Shooty in DFK is only based on her>Leinyan became basically an AI assistant inside the DOJ Type A ship, she has a special arrange where you play as her in the console/steam ports, she has lost her original body because it's trapped into a lab - Ray'n in DFK is only based on her>Exy is the one who started the whole thing, the motive seems to be Hibachi uploading some data into her which led her to realize humanity is the real enemy - Nexy is actually her, she just rebuilt her own body, or rather uploaded herself into the bigger one kinda like Leinyan could do that with the Type A ship>A.I and Perfect are based on other dolls we have never met before, specifically A.I came from a prototype element doll and Perfect happened to be a highly ranked one
>the dolls who support the pilots are actually normal human girls who got turned into robots and enslavedbut why
>>737432874A bit more complex than that.They are androids with human memories originally built to just live along humans. Shotia series supposedly takes social worker roles, Leinyan I'm not sure, she seemed an entertainer of some kind. She's a whoreExy is a lab assistant.
>>737432874It's hot
>>737412460Don’t ever post this port again.M2 in their infinite wisdom decided that DDP was less deserving of a western release than fucking Tiger Heli, meaning that if you as a westerner or English speaker buy this port, you are directly contributing to the horrible shmup ecosystem and retardation of the modern era.
>>737433072Excuse me?She has drills, therefore she's a rich oji-sama.
>>737431396For me it's them doubling down on the "discussion" when they get called out lol.
>>737433165>he doesn't have a Japanese psn account
>>737433326Reread my post before you experience cell death
I like Ginga Force. More shmups like that please
>>737433367What's the problem? What inconvenience could the game being in Japanese possibly cause you lmao
>>737433491It’s more that the weirdest shottriggers release gets a western version but ddp of all things doesn’t It’s so incredibly backwards that I really can’t comprehend what they’re thinking
>>737412460Just not a fan of them. Cybernator is sort of like what a schmup would be if it wasnt fucking boring.
>>737433586>tiger heli is way less effort>retarded boomers will buy it and play it for 15 minutes then put it on their shelfDoesn't matter if the games are untranslated, it's a shmup. The people who really want to play it will get it anyways.
>>737412680Google space invaders cafes
>>737431396who tf is chapjeetschizo
>>737435116I think people were just excited about video games in general. Once new genres were invented, nobody looked back.
>>737435116>>737435161hi chapjeet, nice bump again
>>737412460Actually I think you'll find it happened after the "space fighter simulation game" stopped being popular.
>>737433263She's merely a humble, but definitely stylish social worker.Shotia was the most affected in a sense, because supposedly her original personality isn't cold at all, taking on roles that are always about being close to people.
Once WWII and space exploration was less exciting, so were Mecha and Space Operas and so were shmupsNintendo also casualized the medium which made fightan and shmups become niche over time
>>737433165westerners deserve only the niggers they import in millions
>>737437049You will never be japanese, loser
Speaking of when are they releasing a physical copy SaiDaiOuJou EXA? I'm perfectly fine if it's JP exclusive as I'll just import it.
>>737437190Never, I hope you kill yourself.
>>737437224>onimai avatarfaggot telling others to kysThere's a high chance of you never seeing 30 so I'd refrain from obviously ironic remarks.
>>737437341the real onimai nigger switched but i think you knew that already :)
>>737437151I speak english, I'm not an anglo and I never wish to be one.I speak japanese, I'm not japanese and I never wish to be one.God bless the nips for still making good animation and games though, can't say the same for white people.
>>737437341I'd refrain you from bumping the thread asking the same tired retarded questions but the other schizo and the avatarnigger will do it for you anyway.
>>737437224>>737437606hallelujah the thread's based again
>>737412460Arcades died and the average consumer became hypersensitive to any perceived progression loss.
>>737412460You know that meme about US and Europe?Smups were never popular.
>>737435221Shmoops were still massively popular thougheverbeit. There were other genre of arcade games at the time but the shooty ones were the popular ones. Eventually games got more complex and shmups got left behind but they maintained a core base (mostly in Japan) that led to the modern "bullet hell" style of shmup you see nowadays.
>>737437190I don't understand? SDOJ exA is only available physically, there was never a digital version of it.
>>737438131Shmups aren't popular in Europe because they keep making dogshit euroshmups that nobody likes. The only based Euros are the Finns that made ZeroRanger.
>>737438329No I mean the "I never think about you" meme.I never think about shmups.
Why is 4chan dot vee so hostile to shmup players? Are they intimidated by people who are actually good at video games?
>>737438629It's more like a girl picking on a boy she has a crush on.
>>737438629schizo/tranny lightning rod genre, I can sympathize
>>737438629What are you talking about? It's the same avatarfag making these threads so he's rightfully being shit on. He's not even good at the genre, so they're tertiary shmup threads at best.
>>737438629See >>737438584 >>737438131No one cares about you.
>>737438629>>737412853>>737413610>>737432259
>>737438629You forgot the onimai avatar.
>>737438882Thanks!
>You can't have threads about a topic because schizo has schizo orbiters that will shit up a thread if they think their autistic obsession is posting in itwew
>>737439659It's free bumps.
He reminds me of another annoying avatarfag who was obsessed with DFK
>>737439739>free bumpsthis is what all good threads are concerned about kek
I was able to get to the final stage of EOSD on normal but I haven't been able to finish it yet. This maid bitch keeps draining my bombs idk how it's possible to dodge her green dagger attack.
>>737439872What's the issue? It's obvious the people complaining don't play anything and aren't in here to talk about shmups. They clicked on this thread to shit it up anyways and now they're boiling with rage instead.
>>737412460Games shifted away from gameplay and towards secondary concerns like narrative and character worshipShmups are pure gameplay and most Normals cant cope with it
>>737439991>character worshipsee>>737432268>>737432634>>737432874>>737433072
The absolute hardest touhou lunatic clears are about on the level with a Ketsui 1-all in terms difficulty.
>>737439984This thread is obviously the same 3 niggers every time circlejerking asking the same questions about the same 10 games and necrobumping until bump limit. Stop pretending otherwise
>>737440061Touhou faggots actually play their games
>>737440193>necrobumpingThere's that word that doesn't belong on 4chan again.
>>737440061Reading da lore is fun when you are bored.>>737440215That's fucking DOJ
>>737440215touhoufags are actually good at shmups
>>737440215Normal mode is not playing the game.https://zps-stg.github.io/dc
Reminder
Why are your little ships called "options"?
>>737440396mea culpa for playing these on my Switch
>>737440428Gradius started it I believe.I have no idea what it means though, must be an engrish thing.
>>737412853100% the bong /vr/ troon
>>737440301This. That's what happens when you can't savescum your way to a fake 1cc.
Touhou is cancer
Whats with touhou tards not talking about their games in their threads, then throwing a tantrum in shmup threads where people discuss the games? There is nothing in touhou of value once you start getting the big name arcade shmups down unless you start playing for no-miss/score, the games simply aren't challenging enough even on lunatic, so if you don't enjoy resetting every time you make a single mistake there's not much reason to play them any more until you've exhausted every arcade game.
stream where
>>737440918>>737440978You're allergic to playing video games, we know.
why are shmuptards so tsuntsun towards touhou?
>>737441024Dude look right here>>737440353Chart stops at 23, and the 23s are 18s if you play without arbitrary challenges. Even DOJ BL is a 20 and that's considered a beginner game. You're in here talking shit about stuff you can't even comprehend.
>>737441096Doesn't tsuntsun imply there is no dere part?Anyways, I like actual stage/enemy design in my shmups, just focusing on boss fights and fancy patterns feels like missing half of what the genre is about.
>>737441096They lost relevance over time while the bullet hell genre is now synonymous with Touhou.
>>737441024I've seen your threads. I know what you are.
mork
>>737441340Bullet hell in the modern day means vampire survivors
>>737441341My threads?
>>737441513Both good games.
>>737441538Don't be obtuse. The touhou threads.
>>737441513>shmups used be called "shooters" but FPS games took that away from them>now shmups can't even be called shmups because vampire survivors games are taking that away from them tooSTG is the only thing left. Why is the genre so cucked all the time?
>>737441710Yeah. You sure cracked the case. :)
>>737441851Your threads are nothing but waifufags who don't even play the game!
>>7374135274chan is terrible at getting anybody to like anything.
>>737441162I thought you faggots didn't play these for difficulty? If you want the actual hard games, you'd play the fanmade infinite content games like Osu and BMS.>b-but my granny handsGet good or get filtered.
>>737412460A single failure for a zoomer means becoming unemployable and unfuckable for the rest of your life, there's no market for it
>>737442072I ended up liking many things thanks to 4chan, and that actually does include some shmups.Pic rel, amazing game.For people who are interested, it's was included as one of the biggest classics in that new Neo Geo thing that came out recently.
>>737442226ahh I want to get it but I dont want to give money to the weeb king.
>>737442226play ikaruga faggothttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyf4BkHvcpA
>>737442226Bro it's not fun to play anything under 20. I cannot enjoy that any more. The arcade version is herehttps://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1157621If it's below 20 I'm not gunna play it, it's just too boring.
>>737433491never seen a gayer webm
Does anyone actually like second loops? They seem so redundant and only exist to make you feel shit for finally scoring a no-miss cause now you have to do it again with faster bullets so you die on stage 2 or something.
>>737442707It's cool in psikyo games cuz they are so short, I can't even get into them in cave games yet.
>>737442707Honestly no, I prefer when you do like Mushi/Deathsmiles and just split the game into multiple modes, or stages in multiple difficulties.Genuinely, I just don't have the patience to 1cc both loops at once, and the spike is fucking massive so to even begin playing the 2nd loop, it means you are probably at the point where the 1st loop is a 20 mins loading screen.
>>737442416>that frustration and rage dying at 99%>literally collapsing on the floor when you finally beat itThat's when you know you felt like you achieved something.>>737442707It's the developers being lazy with creating new content but wanting autistic suckers to feed them more quarters.
>>737424619The point is spreading the tranime menance
>>737440978I don't know if I'll stick with the series if they don't add autobomb in the later titles.
>>737412460They really fell off hard after Galaga.
>>737442707There's nothing wrong with having more shit to do in a game you already "mastered". It's okay if you're not good enough to do it again, know your limits. The only people this upsets are autistic completionistfags and they deserve to be bullied and mocked.
>>737443119the series has generous deathbombs for a reason
>>737413527To be fair, most of 4chan's shmup fanbase like to glorify bullet hells which have been stuck to being level packs for the same handful of games for at least the last decade. I've noticed in Touhou in particular the games have been regressing in complexity as things like enemy variety and multiple planes have been deleted to streamline gameplay. It's the DCSS philosophy of development.
>>737443329It's not generous, you can't react to dying when the window is so short. It's nothing like an autobomb.
>>737439659Nigger don't pretend he doesn't samefag.
>wings of seductionMore of a vampire survivors title but I was surprised by the quality of both the gameplay and the H.
>>737443406the window is pretty long dude, you can react pretty well, you'll get a better feel for it overtimecompletely different from arcade shmups
>>737443513It's 8 frames, or .133 seconds lmao
>>737441096while touhou games are shmups, if you only play touhou games, you don't really play shmups.
>>737443513if you're gonna shitpost about a game with players better than you at least know your shit
If you want to play as a cute girl, they have to be in a spaceship first.
>>737443513no and the problem is losing 5 bombs for nothing on the 1st boss or a midboss which is such a gigantic waste that you almost have to restart.
>>737443617This, you should play Vampire Survivors too.
>>737443617There is one legit shmup among the post PC-98 2hu lineup.And it proves that most bullet hell gameplay is replacing enemies with projectiles.
>>737443606>>737443708>>737443769it's like a full second idk where you guys are getting that info from lol
>>737443869guy who's only played Imperishable Night
>>737443942shmup threads said that's the only good one
>>737443116Slice of life is for old men with excessive amounts of testosterone
>>737443869This must be why Touhoufags don't post here, you're more retarded than them.
Funniest thing the Touhou general did was drive out its secondary population only to reveal all the mental illness was coming from the same people who wanted to discuss gameplay.
>>7374420724chan pointed me to people that got me interested in cool games, mork included
>>737442707I'm not good enough to have an opinion on this but I think locking "content" behind mastery of the game is awesome. I think I'd rather it just be a TLB.
>>737444043i wouldn't trust a random wiki
I want to record some older shmups but it seems impossible to get a recording going while they are in fullscreen. Even my 2nd monitor just blanks out to the desktop while the game fullscreens on main.
>>737444248It's cool because once you beat the first loop you go into omega rapist super death murder mode and every second you survive is just straight up more score. Every inch you crawl forward feels like an accomplishment.
>>737444361I just record full display with OBS, I'm tired of fiddling with it
>>737444129Real Troonhu threads get deleted so this is the only logical place on /v/ to talk about them>b-but they'll be 90% of the threadProbably. Still better than the samefag circlejerk earlier.
>>737444272I trust wikis when they match up with my experience playing the games
>>737444386It's the same thing but there's more bullets and it's sped up. Just make it a hard mode and stop wasting everyone's time.
>>737444272True, I'd rather trust some shitposting retard on 4chan instead.
Touhou 20 was GOOD
>>737444845Rawdogging the stage 5 midboss is harder than most Cave TLBs
>>737445227
>>737445227say it again chapjeet
>>737444576Not necessarily so, the requirements for the 2nd loop also change how you approach the 1st loop. It depends on the game. But games sometimes do have hard modes in addition to 2-alls, like the IKD2007 version of ketsui. And there's more to it than additional bullets, revenge bullets are used by cave, Konami, and psikyo in their 2nd loops a fair bit, and they can change the game a lot.
mark
>>737445276Mork
Mork did nothing wrong.>but he said my favorite game was slop!Nothing. Wrong.
>>737445390>revenge bulletsGood thing this game >>737443785 did that without wasting 25 minutes of your life every attempt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8NwZWUbPHg
>>737445621It's too easy :|
>>737445628Looks old and gay.
>>737445681you can't keep spamming this when 2hufags shit on you >>737440679
>>737445524mork is a shitter who does not know jack shit
>>737445810Post your ddp 2-all
>>737445741Why you gotta be like that Ms.Snail?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eHuJmu24a8
>>737445862Did it a long time ago but didn't record because it's not all that remarkable. I'm Japanese so you can take my word for it.
>>737440353I'm defo not sure if I agree with this list. The newer games even on normal or hard are a far tougher time than anything PCB or IN has on lunatic
>>737446117at least post a screenshot when you get WR king
>>737445264based morker
>>737445810morkers...... it's over he made a wojak about us....... what are we gonna do..........
>>737446263The person which made it has every single one of their clears recorded and has ranked them against arcade games
>>737446541The person is also a massive Touhoufag that overrates arcade games
>>737446593They overrate arcade games because they have a bias towards liking touhou? Uh... alright I guess, keep pretending playing on normal isn't total retard shit
>>737446263Anyone who can do a th20 LNN w/o Y2 can beat Inbachi
Ray'z is 50% off should I get it as a beginner shmup
>>737446998Yes. You can get your first 1cc on one of three games. Raystorm is a good one to start off.
>>737446998>>737447108Samefag. No one cares.
Is an Ikaruga 1cc even viable for the average shmup player? I've always kind of avoided playing it because it seems so above my skill level
>>737447156jipper said pure perfecting it is U16 level so no
>>7374431164trannime website
>>737447139
>>737447156It's more about wrapping your head around the mechanic.I can't. Even if I've been playing it since the Dreamcast. Some people find the mechanic easy. Try it. It's really cool and has great music if nothing else.
>>737447156Ikaruga is such a weird shmup due to the polarity requirements I wouldn't recommend it at all until you play more traditional variants. I have no idea how it got so popular with normies.
>>737447495>>737447513Didn't ask but okay.
>There's a guy so buttblasted at shmup threads he's replying to everyone while being an abrasive asshole to try discourage participationWhat kind of life do you think this person lives?
>>737447742No live, no wife, no job, only truss
>>737447742>everyone>the same 3 people always in these threads necrobumping from page 10
>loving Eshiria wife>but you have to play Raiden V Director's Cut 5 hours every dayNOOOOO
>>737447742What are going on about? Are the Touhoufags bullies being mean to you again?
>>737448136yes esl-kun :(
I'm not understanding Akai Katana at all... How are you supposed to be using this form shift stuff? The shottype I'm using turns into a sword that does a lot of damage but I don't get if I'm meant to be killing enemies with it or if there's some trick to keeping charge up
>>737448273no one cares you said this 2 threads ago
Who is your favourite Touhou girl? Mines is Sanae she's literally me bros. We're destined for each other
Chatgpt ahhh thread
>>737448528Marisa always has the most fun shottypes. SA MarisaB is peak.
Holy shit, Mork did a livestream and I missed ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F__-NF7omo
>>737448087Always loved the futuristic pilot/secretary/navigator look of some of these shmup girls.
>>737448598I'd say Sakuya has the more interesting shots in the games she appears in. Marisa tends to be a little too fast for most of these games and her short range is an absolute fucker on a lot of spell cards.
>>737448273ok
>>737448712This dude always comes across as an elitist fag to me...
I appreciate these treads,Imo a basic problem with stg is that they have stopped evolving once they got into that dirty sewer that was bullethell.For all the creativity that vg can bring, an entire genre is now just>5 stages, final secret>kill popcorn waves, a few elites and a spongy boss>no innovation in 20y, just reheated old mechanics>memorization heavy>uh look a new bullet pattern>the only relevant stg series it's because otakus fap to futanari swap of their favorite shrine maiden/ghost>new gameThis time I'm an highschooler girl or a plane? >you are a plane that transforms into a girl!:O
>final level is a factory so big it has it's own citykino
Good old day:>Devs carefully craft a difficulty>Players having nothing but their patience and skill to overcome the challengeNow:>JRPG stats that you can grind for>Lots of build variety and consumable items to make things easier
>>737448771PCB SakuyaB is pretty cool but I like the high risk/hard to use high return shots and Marisa has a lot of them. MoF MarisaC is another one.
>>737445628I appreciate that they didn't include the height gimmick in their not-Zaxxon but isometric shmups were never particularly fun exactly due to the camera angle.
>>737449002everything is a roguelite these days.
>>737448834It's the 'tism. They're all like that.
>>737448941>>737449002I can taste your tears from my screen.
the early 90's?
>>737448936>you are a plane that transforms into a girl!Don't make fun of my airplane wife
Other than Batsugun have any tlaplan shmups aged well enough to play still?
>>737449205Don't care, stop asking
>>737449043True.When you think of a modern gameplay focused game it's pretty much all:>Roguelites>Metroidvanias>Live service FPS
>>737448936People always complain about "lack of creativity/innovation" in legacy genres like fighting games, beat-em-ups, shmups, etc. Unironically what would you like them to change or include? I can't think of much to add that wouldn't change the genre to something else entirely.
>>737449205idk but I downloaded Dragon Blaze today and it's pretty nifty
>>737449196This game looks cool, reminds me of master blaster
>>737449002That's why everything is an ARPG now.
This schizo is doing so much damage control to start a discussion with himself it's hilarious.
>>737449431kek
>>737449205Batsugun Special Editionand M2 ShotTriggers loves Tiger Heli, that must mean it's great and you should ride it too>>737449320I'm just happy with online leaderboards (that I will never place on) and the "Gadgets" gimmick. Took them fucking long enough to think of that last one.
>>737449425Adding stats and EXP you can use to upgrade in a standard shmup would do a lot to make it popular with more people. Obviously include a regular arcade mode too, but it could do what Symphony of the Night did for Castlevania games. Eventually people might be tempted to try to beat the game without the upgrades.
>>737449431Posting onimai is like a drug, isn't it?
>>737449205Why haven't you played Zero Wing and Truxton, exactly?
>>737447108Raystorm is a pretty steep ask for a beginner...
>>737439991You guys talk a lot of shit until you play a thinking game and get filtered by puzzles. Don't care about puzzles? Then you know how the rest of us feel when you talk about shmups.
>>737439991Nah, it was just shmups. Every other genre evolved and survived. Mostly.Maybe not the mid-90s FMV genre, but still.>>73745011810 years ago I played The Witness. I've never been that humbled. Myst / Riven in the 90s I barely even bothered with. Puzzle games don't fuck around.
>>737450041It is but with enough practice. I have seen a video of a guy beating Rayforce as his first 1cc
>>737450118I fuck with I Spy.
>>737426821>need to meet a Level Up requirement before accessing the final two stages>need to fill your Neutrino Gauge to almost full before diving into a pattern>need to make the most of your invincible timeYeah, so orthodox.And no. I've only reached Gluon a few times, can't beat it. I just play for score, and no one can convince me to stop having fun with it or make me feel like a shitter. Video games are meant to be fun.
>>737450596Based
>>737449689you really do talk like an annoying 14 year old girl on twitter.
>>737449320On a design pov you can change a lot and create whole new subgenres. My problem with stg is that every game has to be a splinter of dodonpachi. It's like if every 3d hack&slash for 20y was a dmc3 clone/homage. And this fixation has also the downside to stop what can or cannot be an stg. cuphead and Isaac are stg but most "stg players" won't classify them as such. We shoot, we avoid bullets, wtf are we even talking about? And btw I'm not just talking out of my ass; in a week or so I'll shill my demo here.
Cuphead is a run and gun, it's a different genre that's why people label it differently.
I finally figured out MAME and yeah it's pretty cool. Kinda let down I was hoping to find more modern looking stuff on here or new series from like 2010 or later.
>>737450118I like opus magnum
>>737450887>avatartranny
>>737412460why are all shmup fags moving to bmups?
>>737450871Something else important is autofire, under the same menu as input, under plugin. You're gunna generally want to set that at 1 on to 1 off (30hz) or if that causes inputs to be eaten 1 to 2. (20hz) Shmupmame is better and works the same, if you can be bothered.
>>737451004Some of the older ones wash out and beat em ups are like 50x easier while appeasing the same orbiters who don't play anything. Like I'm pretty sure iconoclast has absolutely given up on putting any effort whatsoever into games.
>>737450871>2010 or later.Apparently I'm mongoloidian because what arcade games would that be?SDOJ? I'm pretty sure fans have figured out something for that, something that isn't the Xenia emulator that drops audio for me forever.
>>737450751Run where? 3 shitty 1min stages when the game is a boss rush? Cuphead it's not contra or metal slugBut even, so if we don't have autoscroll it's not an stg?>no you see it's your feet on the ground that make it a run and gun. Because when you move you runSo if we have gravity, feet on the ground and a jump button it's not an stg anymore>no you see, if you jump it's a platformer
>>737451004They're more dynamic and not the same exact thing every time. You can only play shmups for so long until they get boring as fuck.Shmupfags usually move on to rhythm games, then get filtered and stop playing anything altogether.
>>737451303Yes if the movement is completely different then it's not a shmup, I'm glad you can understand this.
>>737451303If cuphead was a shmup it'd be the worst most casual shmup ever so I'm not even sure why cuphead fans would want to be compared to that genre
>>737451285i was uhhhhhh kinda hoping that there were some secret JP only franchises that they were trying to keep secret from us.
>>737451537Whoa you mean le hidden gems :O
>>737450871You mean arcade games in general? https://archive.org/details/teknoparrot-collection_Now learn TeknoParrot, buy a new SSD and download 1.8 TB of games. That's all the new stuff, literally updated 2 days ago apparently. I've never touched it but it's there.
>>737451505Remember the game journalist that couldn't pass the tutorial? That's what the average shmupnigger would do.
>>737451635no just the fighter jet danmaku games. Is there nothing else that got big like Mushihimesama and stayed in JP arcades?
I just like it
>>737451660nuh uh >:(
>>737451483In "shoot'em up" and "stg" nowhere it's written or meant that movement it's a component part of it. They are general terms for a reason. It's shooting first, dodging second. You can shoot and dodge in many ways.why the fuck no gravity it's now a core component of it? I can understand it for danmakus, no issue there(and we could even argue that). But not for the whole stg genre.>So you see shooting is important, but if you do a pacifist run in ikaruga it's not a shump anymore since you don't shoot and just wait for bosses to fuck offBy the same reasoning a 3d h&s without style meter is not a stylish game, but it's still an action game
>>737451762I imported Aleste Collection from JP to play Power Strike 2 and GG Aleste 3. I have Power Strike for the SMS but 2 is like 500€ used so fuck that.
>>737451948They're trying really hard to gatekeep anything not made by the same few bankrupt Japanese companies as an STG. Please don't engage with these schizos further, it's not worth the time.
>>737451695the cool shit was on iPhone/iOs. Everyone knows that!
>>737452020So far I've been playing Aleste 1 and 2 on a physical MSX, using an MSX Pico cartridge. Looks great on my Trinitron.
>>737452108Dodonpachi Maximum is still a good distraction when I don't have anything else except my phone.
>>737451948Metal Slug doesn't have gameplay similar enough to Dodonpachi to where it would be appropriate to put them in the same category. You're trying to make this more complicated than it is.
>>737452473>it doesn't look the same waaah waaahFor me, it's Crazy Destinationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AL7rTNhG84
>>737452146I'm just happy they went with Power Strike 2 instead of Aleste 2. That game doesn't deserve the pits of obscurity.
>>737452651nta but I spent like 50 hours to get to the final boss of iwbtg on hard and it was really quite enjoyable once you got the hang of it.
>>737450118https://youtu.be/ELcS_IyXygs?si=zEiu7GR3qpegMZjo&t=8165timestamp
>>737452307What what? Can I still get Maximum on my bullshit Android phone today?I thought it vanished a long time ago
>>737452651>you shoot a spike to hurt the boss>you dodge applesNice STG.
>>737452763If I can get it only fully-updated iShit you can extremely likely still get it on your Android.
>>737451948A "metroidvania" doesn't have to be about castlevania or metroid to be classified as such. You're being obstinate for no reason. Everyone knows what an STG is and Cuphead isn't one. It has STG segments with the plane, that's it. Why does this bother you so much?
>>737452651Why is it a Pikmin 2 reference?
>>737452854Fuck, I can't.Same problem I had back in the iOs days. The os got updated, but Cave never really bothered to update any of their games to run. And I paid for all of them too. Resurrection, Mushihimesama, Bug Princess, Espgaluda, DeathSmiles. Fuckers.These days I can't blame them, but I was atleast hoping Maximum would still work in 2026 lol
>>737452651Huh this does not look even a little hard, does the guy that posts these not even play the games
>>737453260They are very oddly selective with their support. I lost access to my iOS Mushihimesama and SMT1 but Dodonpachi Maximum still works on iOS 26. Looking at the store they did update Deathsmiles 1, Dodonpachi Blissful Death and Resurrection. Not Mushihimesama though. Either way I'm playing it now the Switch
>>737452651This looks really fucking hard holy shit
>>737452651Most people saw IWBTG as a youtube fad but it was really interesting to see back then how the western and japanese fangame creators split the game into two different genres. The former creating whole ass, well produced games that followed the IWBTG formula and the latter creating these hard as fuck endurance boss fights, mostly with assets from the original game.
wheres latest shmupmame pack
>>737453317Those games suck off Caveslop hard, calm your tits.
>>737453993https://shmupmame.wordpress.com/2026/03/06/shmupmame-5/
>>737454043It really doesn't
>>737433745>schmupwhy do you do this
>when the shmup has an upgrade store for your shipWhere are my Fantasy Zone-likes anyway?
>>737412460>shmups >being popular
>>737452878Metroidvania it's a shit term coined by the same tier of people that invented doom-clone as a genre. The term in jp is search-action, and it will be always better.About metroidvania, that shit pedo game rabirubi o whatever the fuck it's also an stg.But even, you put a parallel with medroivania to widen the gap of meaning, because>metroidvania" doesn't have to be about castlevania or metroid to be classified as such.but then you loop around and say that cuphead is not an stg because>no reason, everyone knowsWell I can reply that not every stg has to have no-grav, side-scroll, and a screen clearing bombYour "everyone knows" it's just the danmaku people that seethe at new stuff being made that's more relevant than their 20y old game. It's the same with "roguelike fans"and Isaac. While rogue purist were discussing about "the Berlin interpretation of what is or is not a roguelike", Isaac and spelunky came and fucked them over.All of this to say that a possible future for stg it's in new concepts for the genre, not in a reheated ddj.
How does Atlus have such flawless taste in both shmups and jrpgs?
>>737412460I'm pretty bad at shmups but love them enough that I found a TV stand that could rotate 90 degrees while supporting the weight of my 65" LG C1it's awesomehome arcade > home theateralso fantastic for reading manga
>>737446521>usThere's more than one?
>>737454664>Metroidvania it's a shit term coined by the same tier of people that invented doom-clone as a genre.It was made by game journalist Scott Sharkey, at least according to his co-worker Jeremy Parish. Neither of these people are worth listening to for the record.
>>737448087>Eshirriaaaaa...I love the way the captain says Eshiria. The voice acting is pretty hokey in the game but soulful. The first Raiden with a story and it's non-stop babbling about coffee.
>>737454624Yes? There was an era where they were THE arcade genre
>>737450569A newb should just enjoy how incredible the ray games are, how good the music is, and how cool the boss fights are. Set like a 5 credit limit so you don't spoil it so quickly. They're just a joy to soak in the atmosphere.
>>737454664>new stuff being made that's more relevant than their 20y old game And here you are begging for it be called the same thing, because you venerate those games.
My first No continue arcade clear was CC:WI but I think they want u to kill the secret boss for the achieve so I don't have it on steam technically.
>>737455485That's pretty impressive.Type Z ship or did you just avoid it? Not that it matters that much, still impressive.
>>737455703I used Type Z yeah. That game is burned into my brain though. I love the music and most of my learning pains were after Stage 3. Fuck those flowers lol.
