>Play two of the internets most beloved VNs>Umineko was boring and has an ending that basically insulted you for trying to engage>Muv Luv Extra and Unlimited were alright and Alternative was utter trashThis is what you guys were raving about?
>>737423405>he actually fell for it
They'll tell you to play one with a tranny next OP, watch out.
>>737423405Umineko was always bad, sans soundtrack/VA.What was your issue with Alternative?
Muv Luv is tailor made for a certain person.You know, the guy who likes 'mature' stories where there are plenty of subversions.The guy who loves 'realistic' protagonists that constantly wallow in anguish and misery.The guy who has secret cuckold fetish but tries to pretend they don't.If you're not like this Muv Luv isn't for you
>>737423405>queer's taste is so bad they can't enjoy muvluvthat's sadI hope you get better
>>737423405filtered
Umineko is better than anything Shakespeare has ever written, but /v/ isn't ready to admit that.
>>737423405Umineko was bad, people were in it for the ride but r07 is a retard and the answer was worse than the mysteryMuv Luv is edgy japanese shit, only reason it got hyped was because people thought in 2008 it'd never get translated so it must be some amazing story.
Is her route the only enjoyable thing Ryukishi07 has ever written?
>>737423405You fucked up. I fell for the same shit, Umineko was okay up til episode 4 and Muv Luv is one of the most overrated weeb properties of all time. If you want a VN that actually lives up to the hype, play Ever17.
>>737424210>girl who can't touch anyone else but youa true fantasy
>OP reading the VN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDSABlGNIoM
>>737423457he already mentioned umineko
>>737423405should've played steins;gate instead of that reddit garbage
>>737424973the irony of this post
>>737423405>an ending that basically insulted you for trying to engageWell OP, I think I might have figured out why you don't find VNs engaging. You seem to lack the most basic skill required to approach them, if you get what I'm trying to say.
>>737424659Technically Ciconia also has one
>>737423405without HRT it can't be seen
>>737425053Kill yourself tranny.
>>73742340590% of the people shilling Umineko are literal trannies
>>737424338>play Ever17.lol, it's dogshit
>>737423405>most beloved VNs>Uminekolmaobro fell for a memeanyway if you want an actually good, beloved VN play the Rance series.
>>737425175The skill in question wasn't your imagination, though that might be lacking too.
>>737425227>play SA simulatorsseek help
>>737425282
>>737425282Feminists love Rance
>>737425340thanks for proving my point
>>737425182Redpill is that 90% of 2000s online anime culture was trannycore
>>737425282>>737425371name one SA simulator with thishttps://alicesoft.miraheze.org/wiki/History_of_The_Continent
>>737425581rance games
>>737423405>didn't like uminekinoiq too low, unironically>didn't like mlatestosterone blood levels too low, unironicallytry playing the FLOWERS series of vn, that should be more to your liking
>>737425352>Feminists love Rance yeah in the same way tourists “love” dark souls after watching a 3 hour lore video they don’t actually play it, they just orbit it to feel edgy Rance discourse is just dudes trying to gaslight each other into thinking shock value = depth meanwhile OP couldn’t handle Umineko literally saying “use your brain” maybe stick to kinetic novels with a big red arrow pointing at the theme next time some people need the story to hold up cue cards like it’s sesame street
>>737425749>edgy>shock value = depththe irony of talking about “use your brain” when you’re making random assumptions about something you’ve never played.
>>737424084Umineko was great until episode 4 onwards
>>737423405what's with all these people who keep crying about being "insulted" by the game maker. stop being a fucking pussy
Muv is twizzler cuckslop and I can't respect anyone suggesting it.
>>737426304>he doesn't like NTRkinowtf are you even doing ITT?
>>737426360This. If you enjoy NTR and BBC, I highly recommend Muramasa btw
>>737423405retard, everyone told you to play Muramasa instead
>>737426556bro you ain't gonna believe it, but muramasa is my favourite vn...
>>737426704Battler...
>>737426697Muramasa can be forgiven for its edginess and its rape and its stupid plot but it can never be forgiven for trying to act like that 'law' was not the most retarded thing ever put to word
>>737423405The best VNs are Demonbane (original version, not the garbage remaster), Dies Irae and YU-NO (also the original).
>>737423405> Alternative was utter trashI'm not going to take the opinion who actually read all of Umineko seriously.
>>737424973>Reddit;Gatelmao
>>737427125>the opinion who*the opinion of someone who
>>737427040what version of Dies Irae do I read?
>>737426697>BBCmasalol
>>737427751thus spoke zaratustra
>>737423405level up OP
>>737427751Amantes amentes, it has additional epilogues and an extra ending to the final route. You miss out on a few sex scenes, but the important ones are still heavily implied to happen with a fade to black instead.
>>737428192>refuses to continue the story as long as there is war in the world
>>737428312>the important ones are still heavily implied to happen with a fade to black instead.works for me I dont care for the sex scenes outside of h-ge
>>737428418>I don't care about sex scenes outside h-ge>dies irae is literally h-ge
>>737428470h-ge is when you cant walk 5 steps without ending up in a sex scene
>>737427040No they aren't.
>>737425282stop posting like a bot
>>737423405Read the mediums magnus opus next time instead of meme favorites.
>>737428373In other words, he wants to cancel the game without actually saying it's cancelled
>>737428676sorry i'm straight
>>737425749>discourseRance isn’t main stream enough for this kind of shit
>>737423405You're brown.
>>737428676can there be such a thing as a second magnum opus?
>>737428676many have been saying this
>>737428676>just suffer through hours of juvenile autism before it gets interestingNah, not going back.
>>737423405While I think Umineko falls off hard at the end, it's eight increasingly chunky novels worth of reading. Barring some extreme mental illness, there's no way you actually read all that despite being bored all the way through.
>>737429014I read through all of Wheel of Time and i hated it.
>>737429014It's a raid thread by the shitposting general >>>/vg/564382551
>>737423405Can zoomers please stop trying to get into older stuff and shitting up the fandoms? I thought you didn't care about "uncslop".>>737425182Yeah, and they only care about it because it has "trans representation" even though the tranny is written in an extremely politically incorrect way by today's standards and is a villain.
>>737426697>>73742655690% of the people who recommend Muramasa are troons.
>>737429295Oh, you're right.
>>737429530Maybe in Planet Umineko
>>737423405>Umineko was boringThis is the exact opposite for me, Umineko was a wild fucking ride and I fucking LOVE it.
>>737429530Actually, they're Indians.
>>737428676This vn was pure and crystallized boredom in a game. I literally knew how it was going to end within 30 minutes because the story's foreshadowing has the subtlety of someone slapping you in the face.
>>737428676But that's Majikoi.
>>737429840>Chachamaru pfpYou just know that this guy is a tranny too
>>737429626>insists on itself Is there any phrase that outs a pseud faster?
>>737423405It's so you don't find out about G-senjou no Maou.
>>737430075Nothingburger games, really good ending though.
>>737429626>troons see a mutilated freak mentally ill that kills people and go: "omg that's literally me!"
>Extra>goodNah.
>>737430660
>>737430660Extra is greathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdG4RuDhjnA
it all sucks stop reading them in english nigga
>>737424210its too long and doesnt know when to end like everything he ever makesnigga was working with the goats and still couldnt pull something half decent out his ass
>>737429882
So, from what I gather from this thread, all vns are actually trash and I should just jerk off to Confession Game again?
wait which girl has the penis again
>>737429626Is Muramasa the one with the dark skinned elf chick
Which should I read first, Higurashi or Umineko?
>>737431272None because Yasu is technically an (involuntary) chopdick tranny.
>>737431456If you are going to read both, Higu first, because Umi does reference Higu to a small degree.If you only want to pick one, depends on whether you want schoolkids fooling around and something that's closer to horror than mystery - or rich retards fooling around and meta stuff.
they're not minor references its complete structural subversion and a main villain how is that minor nigga >>737431586
>>737432121It's still an unrelated story that just happens to share things that don't affect the narrative itself much, but might help you understand characterization of the meta side.That's as far I can get without getting into spoilers.
>>737431272Chachamaru >>737431336Muramasa is the one where darkskinned bandits rape the MC's gf
>>737431336Yes, ignore the umitroon>>737432274
>>737432273theres a lot to be gained playing them in order nigga even put a 3 4 and 5 on them for u like ????????
These are the eroge I currently have, with some other PC stuff thrown in. What else should I get?
>>737432758delete everything except 1 and read nigga
>>737432758delete cross channel and wait for the new one
>>737423405the only good visual novels are danganronpa and mostly in an ironic way, the rest are dogshit porngames and pseudo-intellectual drivel
>>737432867>the only good visual novels are danganronpa and mostly in an ironic way
>>737432487>brownshitGo back to Africa, muracuck.
>>737424210RIWRAITO OF DA LIFE
In a perfect world, all these VN remasters that add extra content would not be forcefully censored to sell on proper platforms OR the remasters could come with an patch. Sure some have it, but there's so many remasters that don't.Even if I don't care much for sex scenes, they were (hopefully) integral to the narrative they were telling at minimum, and climaxes for character relationships at their most important..
I'm a VN tourist, so I try to only play the "best ones". >Shit's;Gay >Muv luv >Muramasa >Subahibi >Umineko >Higurashi >Fata Morgana >Dies Irae >Fate/SN >Tsukihime Am I missing something?
>>737433526Back to Gaylord, Michigan, sissy
>>737429530Muramasa was actually so ass, and it's so easy to spot the people shilling it because they always repeat the same empty phrases and images. Plus malding at Umineko, Fate and Muvluv for being the 4chan classics they wish Muramasa was.If your VN relies on shocking sex with others NTR scenes to carry its dramatic moments, maybe it just isn't very good.
>>737423405I know what the problem is: you played them while under the effect of the post-ironic internet mind virus. You wanted the VN version of a /v/ post that you could talk about by spamming 200 memes and buzzwords to feel like you finally fit in, like you're finally part of the oldfag iykyk club. Try reading them again but this time like a finctional sane human being just reading a story for entertainment and you might find them more enjoyable.
>>737433789Umineko is midEven in japan it's rated 6.5/10I guess only westerners like it because it panders them
>>737433789we call this larpcore now.A deserving fate for the garbage /jp/ and /a/ used to gas up a decade and a half ago and unironically trying to say that slop eroge is going even with great literature because something something nip prose
>>737433963You didn't read muv-luv neither fate, tranny>If your VN relies on shocking sex with others NTR scenes to carry its dramatic moments,Also even Umineko, since Battler gets raped by goats
>>737434175I've read them all, unlike you shitposter.
>>737434337No, you don't about.
>>737434298You didn't, the fact you don't know about the rape scenes and the NTR in both Muv-Luv and Fate, just proves it, larper.The goat rape scenes are implied in Umineko.
>>737423405Just read Higurashi, White Album 2, and the original Tsukihime instead.
>>737423405>play>VNs
>>737428540I wish there were vns like that, you have to skips 30 minutes worth of dialog to even see a nipple
>>737434396>rape scenes in Fate Secondary alert. >implied goat rape in Umineko The only implied rape in Umineko is Kinzo fucking his daughter, troon. Whereas in Muramasa, both MC's have their significant others raped or gangraped even.
>>737435481Are you stupid or something? Shinji raped Sakura for years and there is a CG of Sakura getting fucked by worms, anyways I see you didn't mentioned Muv-Luv because you are such newfag that didn't read it yetBattler got fucked by goats, you can deny, but it hapenedBeatrice undressed him and the goatmen raped and killed him
>>737435742There isn't a single rape scene in Fate/Stay Night (worms lmao). All of the stuff with Shinji is only told because it serves a narrative purpose, not an erotic one - contrary to Muramasa's visual NTR h-scenes which sexualize the act of having your loved one stolen from you.Nothing in Umineko implies rape, that's just your unhinged homosexual delusion speaking. Battler is eaten alive by demons in that ending.
>>737436067>the act of having your loved one stolen from youNot even you believes in your shitpost lol>>737436067>undressed>in a collar>buffy goatman with the eyes full of lustYou are too young to understand the subtlety in literature
>Ctrl+F Can I add this VN to the mix? One of the best trilogies I've ever read in almost any media. It would be almost perfect if the pacing wasn't so wonky at times but it has such 20/10 peak scenes.
>>737436338Anon, Kageaki is a cuckold who couldn't stop that group of bandits from gangraping his bandit gf, and no amount of shitposting or gaslighting will change that fact.Posting "BBC themed" memes to shit on other works doesn't paint a better look on you Masafags either when your VN literally has quotes like picrel in it lmao.
>>737423405Bludcel fell for the muv luv bait, lol lmao. That said seacats filtered your chud ass.
>>737432867>danganronpa based>in a mostly ironic wayactually kill yourself
>>737436067>Nothing in Umineko implies rapeNot in that scene but the one spoiled in >>737435481 is absolutely "implied". In fact it's told explicitly enough I believe
Any hidden gems with fucked up plots and the style of what OP said and stein gate? I'm looking for things like chaos head/etc without any romance or slice of life focused plots
>>737436812Yeah, I wasn't talking about that scene but the other one this blackedfag tries to claim for his muramasa collection.
>>737436838Tsui no Sora. Swan Song.
>>737436902Sayonara Ootashi or whatever it's called
>>737436629>posting the edit
>>737423405Your first mistake was listening to unironic visual novel "fans"none of them actually read them, they just parrot the most popular opinion. Otherwise they would've noticed how shit they all are, especially Muv Luv
>>737437112>Muramasa textbox>Muramasa themeNta but yup, I can tell that this is a legit Muramasa screenshot. Guess that whole political grifting was just for show lmao.The black main heroine should've given it away already.
I read Umineko and didn't understand what people could have possibly felt insulted by. I see this kind of complaint often, so I'm wondering what scene could have triggered it. There's no way you mean the joke sequence in episode 8 with the goats.
my favorite part is how Mufags justify the rape scene that led to nothing and never gets mentioned again
>>737433963I agree. Gave Muramasa a fair chance, but the prologue climaxed with a scene of the childhood friend getting crippled and raped while the MC just watched helplessly. That kind of garbage belongs into cheap NTR doujins.
>>737437285i mean the core message would've pissed people off.>read a mystery horror VN>"aren't you an asshole for trying to find out the actual answer?" >"You know these people are real, right?">"Maybe the answer isn't what you're really looking for but love." It is true though I think True Crime does some harm to its audience. Too many people get influenced by it by invading real people's lives.
okay I wasn't really going to read muramasa but you fags are REALLY selling me on it.
>>737437413To add onto that, I think the point was to ensure that the many theories of how the family died would continue to exist.
>>737437461don't go expecting ntr like the umineko fags liek to sell here
>>737437285It's mostly retards repeating what they've read in shitposts, like >>737437413 does.Those original tards who complained about "insults" in episode 8 were unable to differentiate between themselves and the in-universe online community whose baseless assumptions and theories actively ruined Ange's life by dragging her family through the mud. It's ironic since Umineko actively encourages engaging with the mystery faithfully until the very end, even had a little minigame about finding a culprit in episode 8.
>>737437461Expect lots of rape and NTR.Seriously.
>>737437672umineko is still a 65/100 in EGSjapanese vndb
>>737423405Higurashi is better. It actually makes sense and doesn't disappoint
>>737437828>japanese vndbIt has between 100-300 votes on EGS, depending on the episode, despite selling tens of thousands of copies.That's not very telling.
>>737423405They are both shite and this is why you must not take the advice of vndb or the general fanbase. You have to understand the loudest & time-rich demographic is teenagers with no tasteUnlimited was crap too though. Alternative at least has like one or two interesting parts even if you have to read through hours upon hours of redundant & shitty text written specifically to pad for time
>>737437461I didn't like it very much, even aside from the many rape scenes. The "philosophical" aspects are basic and massively overrated, and the VN barely gets going until about 40-50 hours in.I don't agree with the major message it tried to convey either.
>>737437961>so bad they didn't even want to rate it
>>737425396>Do you know who Rintaro Okabe ?
>>737437179Battler's VA though?
>>737437672Oh my god here we go again.This is also another fucking thing with Umineko fanbase, the constant GOATTTTT GOATTTT HURRDURR GOATTTT bro you don't understand it's open to interpretation GOATwhat the fuck is up with these people jesus christ.
>>737436593No utawarerumono is mediocre beyond belief and the first game is a literal 1/10 turd
>>737438445If you act stupid people might guess you are stupid, yes.
>>737438568groan you stupid idiot it is a criticism on the media and true crime you stupid fucker.
>>737438445>the constant GOATTTTT GOATTTT HURRDURR GOATTTT bro you don't understandThis is only ever brought up by retards like you who're incapable of holding a conversation in good faith and need to resort to boogeymen.
>>737438647brother you're doing it right freaking now you disingenous toolbag
>>737438129No, it's just not a website that can compete with vndb in terms of legitimacy.Episode 8 has 100+ more votes than the earlier episodes on EGS, which wouldn't happen unless someone specifically wanted to tank the rating. Using a site like this as a gotcha reveals your low IQ and lack of knowledge.
i played raging loop after seeing it recommended it was fun for a while until the ending became heavy rain on giga-retarded steroids
what is the xenogears of VNs? anything come close?
>>737428676Joseph Anderson said Steins Gate sucks
>>737431130only good taste itt
>>737423405Nah both are KINO
>>737438849Imagine being such a massive EOP that you think VNDB is more legitimate than EGS. VNDB is literally just a secondary hub for tourists. EGS has been the standard for the actual JP playerbase for decades.Ep 8 having more votes isn't a tanking conspiracy, it’s what happens when a finale is so polarizing that it filters half the fandom. You’re literally malding because the JP side didn't give your favorite goat-slop a 10/10. Read the red truth: you're a tourist.
>>737438445In overseas internet slang, this is called a truthnuke, or a truth nuclear bomb.
>>737439671>the actual JP playerbase>100-300 votesAnon, I understand that you want to belong and pretend that Umineko, Fate and Muvluv weren't huge hits for a decades until secondary tourists made discourse on this website nearly impossible, but even you should see that you're talking bullshit here.
>>737439671umixis not only getting BFTO daily in their/they own general but here toohumiliation ritual
>>737440284
>>737440246The usual /vn/ tourists weren't here 10 years ago, let alone 20.
>>737440246Nice deflection. Grouping Fate and Muv-Luv with Umineko is high-tier cope. Those titles are actually loved on EGS because they didn't filter their own fans with a meta-mess of an ending.
>>737440434>Grouping Fate and Muv-Luv with Umineko is high-tier copeIt's literally what this thread is about. Are you retarded? Check out the OP and early replies.
>he didn't like big titties vacuum sealed in translucent rubber suits
>when she's having sex with others and you promised not to watch
>>737440553The OP being bait doesn't make your false equivalence any less retarded. Fate and Muv-Luv actually have the EGS scores to back up their status, Umineko doesn't. You’re grouping them together because you’re too cowardly to defend Ryukishi's mess without hiding behind better VNs. Total midwit behavior
>>737440553>check out how OP is a tourist in this medium and discovered umineko from the westoid xitter cult
>>737440740thisIf OP have discovered it from 4chan, he wouldn't be complaoning for being baited into reading it
My condolences /v/, you're witnessing the schizophrenia of 65schizo/07fag/uminekofag. He really hates Muramasa https://files.catbox.moe/ia1sek.jpg
>>737440701You're genuinely too retarded to read up on less then two hours of posts before barging into a thread, incredible.It was a bait thread to shit on old titles and praise "new" or recently translated ones the zoomer otaku grew up with.>>737434396>>737435742Besides, I already debunked your claim earlier. Your insistence to fall back on the votes of a few hundred people to prove your point against thousands of favorable votes is peak midwit behavior.
>>737441135I recognize you from /vn/ and ignore all your fight with the other schizoidStop using previous posts of two retards fighting and answer me
>>737441135>thousands of favorable votes from westerners who don't engage with the medium and at best have only read Steins Gate. let's not even talk about how more than half of them have likely never touched a single eroge in their livesThere are thousands of votes pushing censorship, so this must be a good thing then.
You're currently being raided by a muramasafag from /vn/ who hates Umineko because fans used to make fun of the NTR in muramasa years ago.My condolences, /v/.
>>737440284the onyl based post ITT
umiNEGRO
>>737423405Why is this visual novel so popular among the fag community?
>>737436838There's a VN by one of the KID alumni made after the studio got killed by their publisher everyone split up called I/O. I personally hated it but it might be up your alley. It's a sci-fi cyberpunk story that falls apart into absolute nonsense halfway through, but it has a lot of good ideas with poor execution. There are some SoL sections at the start to establish the cast but things quickly devolve into terrorist schemes, murders, kidnappings by pedophiles, and corporate conspiracies.It has a spiritual sequel called Root Double that IMO is the better story, but it has much more of a focus on SoL, which can be really jarring depending on the order you play the routes. Things do eventually escalate when the Scooby Gang from the SoL sections decides to try to fight a crime at get wrapped up in a terrorist attack at the local nuclear power plant. It's a much more coherent narrative, based around government conspiracies in a modern day suburb rather than cyberpunk corporate warfare, but it still has problems with the author very clearly painting over all the gray morality in the story with black and white to agree with his views, completely ignorant to how crazy they are from an outside perspective.
>>737441324>people who vote for VNs that take dozens to hundreds of hours to read on a visual novel database forum surely don't read or engage with the mediumYou're genuinely retarded, and your censorship analogy proves as much.
>>737429383It's so easy to use zoomers as scapegoats whenever someone insults your favorite media but it's retarded to act like people didn't shit on both muv luv and umineko all the time back in the day. I had plenty of discussions about muv-luv on /m/ before zoomers even had access to internet.
NEGROmasa
>>737440631>>737441550Why is this VN so popular in the blacked community?
>>737441489>90% of the people who gave umineko 10 and 9 have less than 20 VNs read in their VNDB profileWOW they sure are VN readers and not tourists, I genuflect
>>737434142>eroge is going even with great literatureI like vns but yeah only retards would act like visual novels writing is on par with good literature. Plenty of fags like that got btfo on /lit/.
>>737441598I'm probably stepping on a landmine with the /vn/ schizo around, but it's because of one particular scene during a flashback chapter in which the girl who the MC grew close with throughout the whole chapter gets gangraped and killed by VERY swarthy bandits.https://files.catbox.moe/2q75ci.pngThis, alongside other references and jokes like picrel, gave Muramasa a certain reputation within the community.
>>737441707>Magical Girl RosaCute. Tell me somebody drew this. And maybe Maria too for obvious reasons.
>>737441810That's dark.
detroon is samefagging so hard again kekuminegro lost
>>737441858so christpilled
we could use the bump of both schizos>>>/vg/564408426
>>737441810Man, that's rough. I almost fell for their gaslighting.
>Umineko was OK-tiny bombs. inside of them.
>>737441935just like them dicks.
>>737441707>>737441798>>737441858No wonder they call it umiNEGRO
>>737441810No wonder they call it negromasa lmao
>>737441810They are not niggers. Have you never seen Akuma, retard? Giving bad guys dark skin is a trope in Japanese media.
>>737423405we only like shounenshit like fate
I refuse to play any vn made after 2010. I only like old kino.
>>737443262Why does that trope only apply to the NTRchads in Muramasa? None of the actual antagonists have dark skin.
>>737443518Because rapist brutes are akin to ogres (onis). Akuma is dark skinned because he's an oni. You can create the same effect with orcs as well.
>>737425719>>didn't like uminekino>iq too low, unironicallyWhat's high IQ about Umineko?
>>737445079The part where the game ask you to figure out the answer using the provided clues, as well as conflating themselves with the in-universe terminally online people who condemned one of the character's family.
>>737445502>The part where the game ask you to figure out the answer using the provided cluesThat's not high iq. Plenty of mystery novels have asked their readers to do the same things and Umineko is not better written than the classics in this genre. Umi has some pretty well written characters and a nice message but it's not exactly high iq.
>>737445717I mean, when the term 'High IQ' is used in terms of pre-requisite, it's meant in comparison to other VNs and their audience.
>>737445502I love how you completely skipped over the fact that at some point the mystery just becomes irrelevant and the answers had to be released later in the manga.
>>737445971This will surprise you but I never played the game, same as most other people reviewing it.
>>737441810>picmay as well just make a pure porn vn at this point. This doesnt seem fitting for "shock" value, thats straight up just porn made to get your boner going.kinda hot tho, retarded she gets killed
>>737445079Umineko is a mystery novel that demands its audience to think along and try to figure the truth out for itself.You're presented with every tool and clue you need to piece the solution together for yourself over the course of its story while literary concepts and rules of the genre are brought up and thematized in ways that don't feel out of place.Umineko managed to incorporate chuuni nonsense into a serious, grounded story without forgetting its identity as a mystery novel first and foremost. Those "chuuni battles" where characters fight each other by using pieces of evidence, lies and even concepts are an ingenious way to depict discussions in an unorthodox way that was later adapted by DIES IRAE.Characters will lie at times and actually fool you until you pick up on contradicting evidence many episodes later on which recontextualizes events and conclusions you'd drawn up to that point. Unless you're high IQ and can actually pick up on those little details, all of these clues and foreshadowing will fly right over your head.Umineko discussions regarding possible culprits, motivations and murder MO's persisted for many years for a reason. You may not like it, but a person of low IQ will not be able to appreciate Umineko as much as someone truly intelligent and well-read.It can still be enjoyed by retards, of course, and half the fun in reading comes from the godtier banter and humour anyways.>>737445971>the mystery just becomes irrelevant and the answers had to be released later in the mangaThe mystery never became irrelevant, it was answered in episode 7 and 8 with all clues presented.The manga just depicted the murders visually.
>>737429383'ika on the 'og
>>737447135I'm glad you enjoyed your first mystery, but how is any of that high IQ?
>>737447720Meh, you could've done better.
>>737447135>Unless you're high IQI wouldn't say that Umineko has a huge intellectual barrier, but a lot of, "Hey, are you paying attention?" and "remember to take this seriously" pitfalls to try and trip any reader who'd let their eyes glaze over after the first chuuni battle. I really love Maria's Rose tutorializing this point in the first episode where a small detail in Gohda's fluff about the desert. >>737447720I think it's not about high IQ and more about mentality desu. The mystery isn't too complex except for the taiwan bullshit.
>>737447135Tbh you might as well just participate in a murder mystery irl, it will be even harder to pick up the lies and shit,
>>737447886Maria sex
>>737433963JSL shilled Muramasa and Subahibi for a decade very hard when they were untranslated. Now, they are the most larper "fans" the past two or three years lmao
>>737423405The umineko thing is the most bizarre astroturf I ever saw.I played the original fantranslation release, when we had to wait months between every chapter release. It was a complete shitfest, watching how hackishi07 would just throw pointless and progressively more retarded bullshit at the reader just to extend the chapter count and reach the magical 8 chapters, his lack of talent and a fucking idea for the plot more and more apparent with each installment after his ghostwriter gay lover died.Threads in /a/ and /jp/ exploded after each release>wow, it is fucking nothing again, he added two fags this time lmaoAfter the extremely shitty and insulting nothingburger end, the unanimous consensus was we wasted our time and hype for nothing. Umineko was forgotten for a few years, if someone ever talked about hackishi's work, it was about Higu, the only okay thing he ever wrote (which he is working overtime to retroactively ruin, I heard from the idiots that still follow his work).Then, a good 6 to 8 years after trannyneko was dead and buried, both in the west and in Japan, a bunch of western trannies started shilling it online and mass voting it in rankings (western rankings, japanese ones still rate that shit terribly). I have the pet theory that mangagamer got the rights and wanted to make bank off their investment, so they unleashed their dickless shills on us. Easy thing to do for them, since the trannylators they have are actual trannies with a network of tranny discorders.
>>737448129Imagine if she grew up and looked more like her mom.
>>737448182See >>737441810
>>737448201Adult Maria would be the worst BPDemon ever created.I can see her abusing a decrepit Rosa after her first burnout induced stroke.
For me, it's Dlanor.
Why isn't there an ending where Sayo gets burned in hell? I do not like that character.
>>737447886Being able to pick up on foreshadowing and retroactively apply clues you've learnt to events in previous chapters requires a considerably high IQ.Most mystery VNs essentially reveal the truth to you with little to no actual guesswork or outright make up shit at the reveal in order to surprise the reader.Kara no Shoujo for example, despite my fondness for it, doesn't respect its readers' intelligence nearly as much as Umineko does.
FATE STAY NIGHT > UMINEKO
>>737448912Raging Loup gave me a hearty chuckle when the plot twist was Marriage Fraud, but most of my peers complain that the ending was the MC pulling shit from his ass and the writer trying to be clever by hiding shit from the audience on purpose for the exact purpose of ass-pulling the big ending.I still think its one of the funnier gotcha! moments in VNs.
>>737448912Look, I'll be frank, Umineko, while I do love it, is not some high minded intellectual sparring you think it is. It is an okay mystery. I solved the whodunit on my first try because I remembered some random detail and I'm gonna tell ya straight up, I'm pretty retarded. The crux of Umineko's quality could be attributed to its themes, its characters, its drama, but it is an okay mystery with a lot of superb dressing on it.
>>737448412Maria is a good girl and would never do that
>>737449220>quality could be attributed to its themes, its characters, its drama, but it is an okay mysteryto be fair, is there even a mystery story where the opposite is true? The mystery is good but everything else is shit?
>>737449968Sherlock Holmes?I tried reading one and all the subtle foreshadowing is there after the fact, once the big reveal over and Holmes explain them for you.But the actual characters, drama and themes (revenge, love, one-sided fanatical affection) I'm sure was cool for its time, but now it feels kinda tropey even if it might have been really fresh for its time.
whenever i feel a bit too smart i come to these threads to get a little brain damage from your posts. thanks guys.
>>737448182Transphobic AND a goat? Pick a struggle buddy.
>>737449168>Raging LoupThat reminds me, wasn't there a sequel announcement for it last year?
>>737450646So Depth Loop was announced a -spiritual- successor to Raging loop, releasing this year.We'll have to see if it ties into the first game outside of the story being Werewolf-game themed.
>>737423606Muv-Luv Altverse is based off classic 80s, 90s mech sci-fi and gaming. For a visual novel, it also had insane production values, the standard at the time was static images. Clipshows along with fully cel animated FMVs is mindblowing shit. It also took full advantage of the genre shift gimmick by presenting Extra as a stereotypical 90s harem romcom then shifting to a gritty sci-fi action universe.I recently played OG Sakura Wars on the saturn emulator and it felt like watching GaoGaiGar and playing Muv-Luv again. Just the style, look, and writing of that period puts you back in that decade.
>>737450784Sad, they got rid of the comfy rural setting.
>>737450847Idk Muv Luv doesn't look at all like PC98 vns, the designs feel more rooted in the 00s.
>>737450989I'm open for some Bioshock-esque underwater isolationist nutjobs.As long as we're getting cool characters that go through 3 separate phases of "No actually, I was merely pretending for the first X hours of the game."
>>737439246>what is the xenogears of VNs?Xenogears disc 2
>>737450847You are saying a bunch of nothing, MLA was finished in the mid 00s and even today you have plenty of media inspired by the 80s/90s but that doesn't make them good by default. Unlimited was genuinely pretty great but Alternative gave a lot of disappointing conclusions and developments for what was set up. Also they should stop milking the franchise with the side stories and gacha.
>>737451120>As long as we're getting cool characters that go through 3 separate phases of "No actually, I was merely pretending for the first X hours of the game."Of course, that's not up for debate.
>>737452598Just for curiosity's sake, what is your opinions on the big Cameraman and his role as an "antagonist"?
>>737425282>self censoring on 4chanyou are so fucking gay dude
>>737452726I love him.He's such a good foil to Haruaki.
>>737452974Hell yeah!
>>737429626
>>737433789>Shit's;Gayplay Chaos;Kino first
>>737436629NTA but the guy who said that shit is supposed to be retarded and he died to a white nationalist
>>737453017I contacted the VA of Haruaki once because I liked his performance so much and he actually responded.It's a shame that most of the cast barely ever worked on other VNs, especially he and Chiemi.
>>737453120This is not good advice if you want people to like Science Adventure.
>>737423405Not reading this garbage thread, just here to say umineko is the greatest piece of fiction ever made. That is all.
>>737453513Basado.
>>737453464>C;H is the great filterthat's a good thing, if you can't enjoy the best and most important entry you will not enjoy the whole thing
>>737453513...and yes, before anyone asks, I am trans and proud.
>>737453267Best news I've heard all day.Thank you for telling them you loved their performance!
>>737453513Read more books.
>>737453513I'm trans btw if that matters
>>737453513Based. Got the cucks and trannies malding with that one.
>>737453675>>737453616Literally nothing wrong with that. Go back to /pol/
>>737423405Umineko is probably one of the most pro christian VNs to ever exist and you're actually low IQ if you didn't pick up on that
>>737449168>Raging Loupthat shit started off so well and became so retarded. The fat newsreporter guy was pretty fun tho
>>737453985Umineko haters are predominantly hindu or muslim.
>>737453780>uminegro fags aren't even hiding it anymoreTRANS AND PROUD!
>>737453609Nice try contrarian but the best entry is still SG.
>>737451907>You are saying a bunch of nothingJust because you are a dumb secondary who doesn't understand what he is saying does not mean he is saying nothing.Anyone who read visual novels during that time period can tell you that the presentation Alternative had was a huge step above what most vns at the time achieved. And yes, the bait and switch with Extra was pretty major before it became so well known that that was Muvluv's claim to fame. If you were capable of picturing an apple in your head, you might also have been able to imagine a time period before every retard on the net knew what Muvluv was actually about, and therefore been able to appreciate what a shock it was for a genuinely unaware vn reader. I am getting angry the longer I talk to you so I need to stop now. Please don't post ever again until you secure an IQ test proving you are over 100 IQ, at least. Thank you.
>>737453985>Christcuckery>Trans charactersPick a struggle dude
>>737454119So what chud? It's 2026 we exist get over it
>>737453196It's only a joke if the VN doesn't also have a literal BBC netorare scene later on, which negromasa does have.
>>737426360>>737426556kill yourself
>>737454231STOP KINKSHAMING!
>>737453985Angry and violent nonconsensual sex with Erika!
>>737454204You're brown, troonie.
>>737454302Why does Erika evoke that kind of response?It comes naturally to her.
>>737454204I pick two because Yasu isn't really represented positively.
>>737454134You are the one being a contrarian? Steins;Gay will never be as important as C;H
>>737454204>cuckery>trans characters Literally Muramasa lmao.
>>737454397
>>737454435Just because C;H came first doesn't make it more important. But this is a classic blunder for C;Hfags.
>>737453985Tertiary shitposters in a bait thread wouldn't pick up on that.
Theres nothing worse than these faggots who obsess over backloggd/letterboxd/rym/topster/myanimelist/blah blah blah its all the same shit. You take an optimization approach to leisure and therefore ruin it. You should be reading things because they interest you, not because they were upvoted by the plurality of redditors. You cant develop taste that way, you have to be constantly trying random shit that you've never heard of. If you don't try random shit that god forbid wasn't on a stupid reddit chart you will stay tasteless forever. Even if you read something good you can't notice what makes it stand out to the aficionados if theres no baseline. If your approach is to open up some giant catalog site, sort by top all time, and go down the list, you won't have a good time. You'll be looking at a bunch of shit you aren't interested in and don't have the prerequisite taste to appreciate, and you'll make RETARDED fucking mistakes like reading When They Cry 3 and 4 before 1 and 2. It's behavior that I've noticed more and more recently, especially among men trying to get back into reading. And their idea is to start with Blood Meridian or the Iliad? They rarely make it.
>trannies like something (for the wrong reasons) so it's badUmineko haters really think this is an argument.
>>737454712There's literally a trans character in Umineko
Remember11 is the best VN. Has 0 filler, only 15-20 hours and a great mystery plot.
>>737455041And how does it make it bad? It's an interesting twist. I said "for the wrong reasons" as well because you shouldn't identify with Yasu. It's not political propaganda, DEI or anything, you direction brain nigger.
>>737455041No, there isn't. You're confusing your own american mental illness with a japanese visual novel.
>>737455041Yasu could've had either a penis or a vagina, nobody knows which got crushed.
>>737454712This is literally what Muramasa haters do.I hate those chuds.
>There are goats ITT who call her "Yasu" instead of "Sayo"/pol/shits will never get Umineko.
>>737441810
>>737455413>nobody knowsIt wouldn't have made any sense for Genji to hide the baby if it was a boy, so there's no chance of her being male. A simple fact often ignored by subhumans who've made it their mission to hate on popular things online.There're also biological implications as it's much more likely for a girl to survive a wound to her uterus than it is for a boy to have his lower body crushed.
I look like Beatrice irl
>>737455413Massive cope
>>737455442Chuds dislike Muramasa because of the black characters. The existence of trans folks in Yamato is secondary to them.
>>737455385Ryukishi said the trans interpretation is valid and he likes it, so nah.
>>737454190> you might also have been able to imagine a time period before every retard on the net knew what Muvluv was actually about, and therefore been able to appreciatNo shit you mongoloid, that doesn’t that excuse that poor writing that follows. Did you even read my post you braindead faggot?
Thoughts?https://backloggd.com/u/LunaEndlessWitch/review/90336/
>>737455679have you seen the next r07 vn?
>>737455679I don't even mind the main heroine being black that much, but did the guys who rape Kageaki's girl have to be dark as well?
