How did this happen?
Freelancer mindset.
>>737429716Hustle culture has taken over literally everything. Even the retarded online communists all have a "fuck you pay me" attitude.
>>737429716when the economy is shit people fight over money like homeless dogs over scraps.
>>737429716modders (failed gamedevs) got a really inflated sense of self-worth, then Patreon.happened and made it worse
High trust society vs low trust society.These days it's every man for himself and picking Cooperate in the prisoner's dilemma game just tells everyone around you that you're a sucker.What caused our culture to devolve from high trust to low trust? I'll let you decide.
easier to get money these days i'd guess like what you'd do in the olden days put readme file "if like send money to my snailmail adresses ^_^ LoL"
>>737429716We have a bullshit financialized economy that has actively been whittling away at real full-time work, forcing people to try to make money from stupid odd job bullshit that people used to do for free as a hobby.
>>737429716Rereleasing a mod that hasn't been abandoned with a few tweaks without consent from the author is a dick move
>>737429716absolutely incorrect, you got that bullshit in 2006 as welli remember grown men getting furious because someone repainted their thomas the tank engine train simulator mod
>>737429716The global economy being in complete shambles means people look to gain from whatever they can, no matter how minute. You see this sort of behavior in every industry and facet of society these days, nothing can just be free because the fuck are you doing not getting yours?At the rate we're going we'll be killing each other in the streets over loaves of Wonder Bread and canned tuna like fucking savages.
>>737430124what are examples of some high trust societies?
>>737429716Modders and their enablers forgot that modifying someone elses product and reselling it is illegal. You are morally justified in not paying for mods because they are stealing from the actual game creator.
This happened to me. I was too much of a dumb kid in 2006 to mod anything but about 2 years ago I found a mod that changed character movesets for a game.Downloaded it, saw that it was a lua script and tinkered with it for days for another character in the game.I was so happy with it I'm like "fuck year let's upload that shit to nexusmods".Creator comes in after a few days in broken english telling me to take that shit down because I didn't ask permission.Not only I did but I closed my account as well because fuck it.
>>737429776Great game.
>>737430124>What caused our culture to devolve from high trust to low trust?There are More Indians on the Internet that any other English speaking Demographic combined.Internet is an Indian Ghetto.So its "FHuckh You Saar, Pay´d Mee" Until its collapses
>>737429716jews (yes, really)
>>737429716Internet wasn't about making money until the corpos took control of it and finally the iPhone normies killed it.
>>737433709What if the actual game creator allows it?
>>737433567The Papal State.
>>737433868>Not only I did but I closed my account as well because fuck it.Why? You could've answered with "Sorry, didn't know, can I release it?" and wait for his response.
>>737434118Mr Beast won
>>737429716it doesntyoure making shit up
nah modders have always been a pack of bitchest. modder
>>737434314Mr Beast is an empty husk where a human being used to be. He didn't win shit.
>>737429716Top never happened. Modders were infamous for modder drama.
>>737429716Internet used to be 95% white back then. Now it's filled with grubby asians.
>>737434273Didn't feel like arguing and the swing from being happy to share something to getting yelled at was too brutal I just quit.
>>737434598Asians are so greedy it's disgusting. Insect people with no soul.
>>737434685What a weak pathetic little snowflake you are. Can't even hold your ground on the internet. Imagine how much you get stepped on IRL.
>>737429887It's even more retarded when a good chunk of modders today don't even play the game. I follow a bit of the Palworld modding community and I know of at least 2 of the bigger names who only make mods on commission, and only fire up the game to test them. Maybe I'm just being a 30 year old boomer here, but making mods for a game you don't enjoy is wild to me.
>>737429716Few even remember it but Valve tried to ruin PC mods in 2015 together with Bethesda by putting a paid mods system on Steam. The backlash was so great it only lasted 3 or 4 days before it was removed.But modders got a taste.
>>737429716Bethesda, they were the first fuckers trying to get someone money out of people works and now every little faggot think you need to play 5 bucks for a change in the code.
>>737434776It's because of people like you that the internet is shit now.
>>737435476Doormat. No wonder women don't like you.
>>737435476Nigger you cucked out to a quasi-corporate fuck working for clout because>don't hurt me pretty pleaseThat is the textbook reason the internet is shit now
>>737431010Why?Retard. That mod is already an existing "tweak" of the game that hasnt been abandonedRetarded idiot
>>737429716Boomer mentality took over the Internet.A boomer only see worth in anything as long as you can make money out of it, somehow this mentally plagues the Internet now when it didn't at the start.
When my parents buy something and share it with me, like for example a bag of new candy, and I end up not liking it while they do like it, I just give them my part because they'll enjoy it and I won't.Today, my parents bought a bag of sausages that they don't like while I really liked them. I asked if I can have it since they don't like them and they said no and that they'll be horking down these sausages that they don't like if the alternative is to let me have them all.I assume they don't believe in self-sacrifice for the sake of your family and just think that they need to have as much as societally acceptable without being called greedy cunts.
>>737429716right has always been the case, it's just more prevalent because more europoors are hypocritical and prefer the left when they're the ones lifting assets and code
>>737437509Its pretty weirdMillenial didn't have this mentality bar few zelda collector consoles, but now? everythng must be worth somethingZoomers think i'm crazy because sometime i help people for free or do something that i just enjoy (like playing an online game unranked)Millenial started going doodoo with retrogaming/whatever/tcg market: anything that is old cost a lot. Before, it used to be like that thing cost 40$ and now its gone? I will sell it 60-90$. Now ? its easily 200$
>>737437756that's really annoying anon. have you pointed this out to them? sometimes people need to have other perspectives blatantly pointed out to them.
>>737438263This is either a bot or a jeet
>>737438652They're low IQ savage animals. They don't learn from their mistakes and when they are called out on bad behavior - they resort to remembering every slight you've ever done against them in an attempt to shut you up. I lost much of my sanity trying to make them see their problems, and I eventually gave up. I was just hoping that they at least actually understood the basics of family values, mostly because I really didn't want to admit that they only ever do good things for the sake of appearing as good people, rather than for the sake of doing good things. At this point I feel like if nobody ever taught them they're supposed to look after their children, they would have dumped me in a nearby river as an infant. It's just a hard pill to swallow, so I've been trying to suppress the thought.
>>737438652the problem with greedy people like that is that they'll never understand why they're in the wrong.it is their core belief that everything is owed to them at the cost of others and at best they'll pretend otherwise when people call them out for it so that they can say "no im not, see?"if you offer something to them because you dont want it, they'll see you as a fool for not just keeping it.if you ask them for something that they dont want, they'll recoil in horror at YOUR greed. thats THEIR thing, so they simply HAVE to use/eat it even if they hate it because somebody else wants it.if anon wanted an early inheritance, he could very easily trick his parents into eating poisonits a horrible thing to do and even say, but its the simple truth.they are subhuman savages that'll take until there is nothing left for them to take.they deserve to die by their greed, its a poetic death.butanon is not the kind of person to kill, not because they're sub humans and much less to take what they have.hilariously, if the roles were reversed they'd probably steal his wealth by any means possible the second they could.
>>737433567spain circa 1600's after the expulsion of a certain group
>>737434314What about Mr Breast?
>>737442169Milked to death.
>>737434314Blaming Mr. Beast for that is like blaming Bush for the fall of Rome. Retarded.
>>737435721>>737435546>anon never responded after thatyou faggots bullied him off here and he's probably sobbing in the corner now SIGH
>>737437756Just bite your tongue until you stick them in an old folks home then never call them again lol
>>737437756>When my parents buy something>Today, my parents bought a bag of sausagesso your parents buy everything, graciously share it with you, and you're whining because they don't want to give you all the sausages? you fat fuck, how about you share something that YOU bought for once? you giving back something they shared in the first place is not an act of self sacrifice you think it is
>>737441630You're mostly correct, but they do appear to be half a step above being THAT evil. Like I said, they like being perceived as good people, even by themselves. most likely because it tickles their ego, and so they will obey a set of social rules they were taught is good even if legally they would face no repercussions for doing otherwise. They wouldn't steal my wealth by any means possible, but they would heavily misappropriate my funds if I gave them free reign over them and feel no guilt for doing so.There was once a peculiar event. We had an elderly neighbor, and on that day everything was heavily iced over. It was exceptionally hard to walk around without slipping, so our neighbor couldn't go to the grocery store. I took her money and went there for her, and then came back home. My mother then later in the day entered my room asking me if I really did help our neighbor with the groceries, to which I replied positively. She then asked me why didn't I tell her. She was surprised that I didn't brag about how good of a person I was and that she had to find that out from the neighbor. I think that's a good example of what my parents are really like.
>>737442984Good. Maybe now he'll grow the balls to upload his mod to several other different websites as retaliation, like he should, instead of caving in to an internet tough guy that can do nothing to him irl
>>737443208>so your parents buy everythingI pay for half of the bills thoughever, including grocery spendings, presumptiousfaggot-kun.>you fat fuckIronically enough, I was skinny in Uni until I went back home to my parents' butter and oil-bombed "cuisine". I like to joke that they're lucky I'm not the one responsible for managing our budget, cause I'd make our family all skinny and healthy real quick, but they'd be very unhappy about it.
This whole thread reeks of antisemitism.
>>737443614>I was skinny in Uni until I went back home to my parents' butter and oil-bombed "cuisine".so you are a fat fuck lol, bullseye>I pay for half of the bills thoughever, including grocery spendingswhy? too lazy to move your fat ass to walmart and get your own shit? also imagine getting scammed into paying HALF when you have TWO parents, sausages are the least of your concerns fatso
>>737443042I actually got a lot more combative over the recent years with them. Even if I have no hope of making them not shit people, I'm still able to stand my ground whenever something concerns me specifically. It even works oftentimes. Maybe it's because it made them subconsciously consider me more dangerous to argue with compared to a doormat son they had when I was underaged. Or maybe it's because we're perpetually on the verge of destitution because we live in an utter inescapable shitehole, and our family would have imploded had it not been for me pulling half of all the expenses.
>>737443863>so you are a fat fuck lol, bullseyeYou're brown and trans because you can't comprehend context.>why? too lazy to move your fat ass to walmart and get your own shit?Well, for one, I'm Ukrainian, I can't afford to leave the house or else the government will literally kidnap me.>also imagine getting scammed into paying HALF when you have TWO parents, sausages are the least of your concerns fatsoYou really are brown and trans. Inhuman behavior. You'd be exiled from the tribe if you were alive a few centuries ago.
>>737429776Lmao I remember the shitstorm around /v/lancer when it first came out. And that was in 2009. OP doesn't remember the likes of things like Giskard or old modder drama.
>>737433567Pre-hard-cellar act america
>>737444073>fat fuck>draft dodger>soviet shithole orc>parents hate him>so fat he's still more concerned with his favorite brand of sausages than living in a literal warzone
>>737443932sounds like you should give them a taste of their own greedy medicinestart counting every penny.assume that "their" cash is spent first, once it crosses the line to the cash that you've contributed, start imposing the fact that YOU paid for that item. and that if they dont want it then they HAVE to give it to you.what are they going to do about it? kick you out? you'll die in the war and they'll lose their home without the extra income>>737444441cant comprehend context award
>>737444441>brown>transI'm still better off than you are, animeposter.>>737444476>sounds like you should give them a taste of their own greedy medicinestart counting every penny.>assume that "their" cash is spent first, once it crosses the line to the cash that you've contributed, start imposing the fact that YOU paid for that item. and that if they dont want it then they HAVE to give it to you.I don't want to do that because it's not worth it. Do keep in mind, it's just them sharing a bag of sausages equally even though they don't like them. It's not a massive transgression, it's just a peek into their shitty personalities, so it's not a reasonable expenditure of my energy given the miniscule payoff and the massive risk.Assuming hyopthetically I wanted to do that, they wouldn't have the intelligence to realize we're playing a game of chicken. They'd just be like "Durr, why isn't this guy swerving? *pushes gas pedal harder*".Sure, it'd be funny to watch them implode alongside me as I die in the trenches and they rack up debts until my father works 3 jobs and divorces my mother who ends up drinking herself to death alone in her apartment, but I'm not a fan of the suicide bomber approach. I still like them just barely enough to care about them, as is evident by me letting them have my things if they enjoy them more, and even pragmatically speaking they're the ones getting supplies into the house, I can't really survive on my own.
>>737445253fair enough, hope the war ends soon. should give you the freedom to have the upper hand.
>>737429716it always makes me laugh when someone who just modified someone else's work starts seething uncontrollably when someone else has the gall to modify their work
>>737431129When the internet was a smaller place I actually had an artist schizo out on me once because I used their image without permission on a message board. I wasn't passing it off as mine, I just thought the art was cool and added it as an avatar.
>>737434963Well, if it brings in money then it's not really wild. But it is soulless compared to the modding done out of passion.
>>737445604It won't end in my lifetime. But if it hypothetically did - I'd be cheesing it to another country immediately, the second I could. I kinda don't know where.I want to live in a country with minimal progressive insanity, because then it'd be just exchanging one insane country for another, but I also don't want to live in some middle-eastern shithole full for sand niggers.I hear in Norway they have special programs where they teach you their language and culture and actually put effort into helping you assimilate into the nation (instead of letting you form a ghetto with your own ethnicity and squat on their turf), and I do like cold climates, but I don't know if those programs are true and I did hear that they can fine or jail you for denying holocaust.I'm willing to become a proper member of a nation, but I also want that nation to be worth assimilating into.
>>737444441>>draft dodgerNot dying for kike bullshit is the least you can do with your life.
>>737429716>How did this happen?By people releasing mods with their full name and address attached to it. All sane modders wish to remain anonymous.
>>737429716Centralization of modding into fewer websites and Discord sekrit clubs that discourage actual communities in favor of retarded cultism, combined with just how far publishers have gone to try to remove modding as a thing that competes with their own product (their own product is usually based on a mod and they're salty that they couldn't get exclusive ownership).>>737430124Prisoner's dilemma is a dilemma because you are blind to the other's choice before making your own.>What caused our society to devolve from high trust to low trustCopyright, patents and trademarks in general and the DMCA in specific.
>>737429716Normalfags happened
>>737429876pretty much this
>>737429716judaism
>>737446234the continued existence of your nation is "kike bullshit"?i can't imagine being this subverted and homosexual desu
>>737445847Yes. The most ardent defenders of the sanctity of copyright are usually also the most shameless rules-for-thee-but-not-for-me modders.Nintendo is a prime example.
The Starsector community is so bad with this that someone published a mod on Github open source and the top comment of the post was suspicion over how they weren't using Discord to host it instead.
The younger generation is poisoned by "sidehustle" bullshit and everything being monetized. This includes how up until very recently even sites like reddit/digg/submityourflicks a had totally free amateur porn. People did it for the fun of it, back when we had a lot of shoes on head and sharpies in pooper back here. Then came OnlyFans and now everything is an advertisement for something to monetize. In the same way that I worked for a major MMO that came out before WoW. We saw some of the shit Korea was doing with F2P even back then and said>Our players would riot and would be right to do so if we charged $10 for a single fucking outfit when that's a whole month's subscription to the game and all the cosmetics within it! Such things will never come to the West; its all dependent on F2P PCBang culture over there.and yet here the fuck we are. Gaming certainly got the worst of it. Censoring, mods and even piracy are dependent on proprietary discords with Patreon access instead of communities that made the "Hydra effect" viable . The worst thing is that things COULD be better and a lot of oldfags remember it, but the younger generation doesn't want to follow the path handed down to them the way we did, but instead just claims the world is going to shit because of greed, yet has the same greedy attitude where they can affect it yet choose not to - from paid modding sekrit club shit to playing gacha and other exploitative monetization shit. Its only getting worse with AI where they all pay for access to proprietary models rather than push for FOSS self host capable ones and improve them.
>>737429716>>737434963 is the reason. Modders who actually play the game are generally ok with their mods being used because they get another mod they can use themselves in return, either to play with in game or to develop even further. It's a common economy that grows with the mutual understanding that everyone stands to gain from more content being created. It's a system that feeds itself exponentially.The other modders don't play the game. They don't care about other mods because they have no use for them, and if anything they even see them as competition. They're in it for the money and the clout, not necessarily to make the game better.
cause theyre all looking for their avenue to avoid working. streaming opened the pandora's box on the "do nothing" industry.
>>737429716If your reply wasn't "this absolutely happened in 2006 too", you're just a massive retard.
>>737429716>I took the mod you made and put it behind a Patreon paywall
>>737433489Yeah but now you got naan bread and ethnic music so really it was worth it in the long run.
>>737429716Fucking with someone else's work without permission has always caused drama and spergouts, it's just that now most modding repos/forums mandate that you have to ask in order to prevent this exact issue.Retarded wojacknigger.
>>737444223Fucking Christians just couldn't let the country be White. They had to let their brown dogs in as well. Deus Vult.
>>737446665>Discord!I really wish I would have kept more of the rageface FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF memes from back in the day for times like this. I though they'd always be around, what a pity. I can remember that long before the official PC version of Spider-Man 2 came out, there was a "PC Mod" version that basically used a combination of the big Snoy leak to have custom engine/dev assets, and then use the keys to dump all the asssets from the PS5 version of the game (all textures, models etc), and then put them together into a working version of the game that was basically like 98% complete and bug free. It even had its own modding community . All of the shit was on a single fucking discord and distributed that way, usually through hex disguised download links etc. I think DODI or one repacker actually picked it up thankfully once it was almost done (ie 1.3.4 to 1.3.6 or so was basically the last versions of it that were basically complete. You could even see the unfinished data for the 3 DLC that game was supposed to get) but by then the PC was finally announced so everyone fucked off. It was legitimately a pretty decent project that turned leak dev tools and keys into a nearly fully playable and polished start to finish version of the game long before the official...yet it could have been taken down with one Discord server being shuttered.
>>737429716The parlor fags won.
>>737447537Once you look up dispensationalism and the Scofield Reference Bible and who published it, you'll understand that whatever hatred you have for Protestants isn't knowledgeable enough.
>>737429716>How did this happen?Trannies.
>>737447467There's a difference between not giving proper credit / attribution, and the kind of spergout bullshit happening recently where if you want to make a mod pack, host a mod on another site, or do anything you're expected to kiss the ring and/or pay, because the fag in question is only doing this shit for commissions and if anyone can get or knows about the mod any other way means that they're not subscribing to their patreon to get the discord badge to unlock access to download the mod. Disgusting.
>>737447637Other denominations are retarded too. Catholicism literally has a black saint you worship and Ortho-bro retards are busy killing a White country to fill it with shitskins.Christcucks are just not very bright.
>>737442984Bro, he was being bullied by a guy that can't even speak English.
>>737429716The economy is shit and modding is just another avenue to make money for desperate people.>>737435118Valve wanted to reward and incentivize modders to make better mods. The idea was sound, people just didn't like the idea of paying for mods and so they backed off, unlike bethesda who kept ramming it through.
>>737429876>people fight for moneydo they? i keep hearing this and i look around and see people spending money on the stupidest instagram products, ecelebs and streamers.
People used to mod and never expect any compensation, just credit.Now that you can monetize mods, there are a lot of talented modders who only got into modding to make a career out of it.
>>737447097The irony is that you can make plenty of money without any of this shit if you're good. >Make mods, allow them to be hosted anywhere with proper credit and licensing listed >Have donation section on the page>Allow donation/subscription shit for people who want it to be able to ask you questions on livestream or whatever the fuck else, beta test something , or get their name in the contributors credit list >profitThere's zero reason to act like the greedy fucksticks you claim to hate no matter if you're a modder, streamer etc.
>>737447943>Valve wanted to reward and incentivize modders to make better mods. The idea was sound, people just didn't like the idea of paying for mods and so they backed off, unlike bethesda who kept ramming it through.It was a retarded idea, no one could afford this.
>>737429716A lot of things, but mostly that people are absolutely desperate economically these days and the internet is now filled with browns and assorted mental illness. It's very rare now that a modder is some well-adjusted white dude probably with a well-paid job that just likes to do it as a hobby.
>>737429716>1900s>I would like to have a baby with you>okay>2000s>I would like to have a ba->MY BODY MY CHOICE>SEX, PREGNANCY, BIRTH AND CHILDCARE ARE WORK, PAY ME
>>737447994thats assuming most of the downloaders have a conscience. sad fact of modding is most of your base are third world teenagers just looking for a free ride.
>>737429716More like:>2006: I have released a mod with all the necessary files. Here are the instructions to install it. It works on all versions/sourceports. Have fun!>2026: Yo, ese! I just made a mod, homes! To get it to work ju need several other mods that need to be installed in this order and MUST go through this version/sourceport. It will be janky and might not even work until someone posts the solution in the comments 2 years later. The only way I got it to work was from a file editor I had that stopped getting updates in 2011 so if you wanted to try it yourself you're SOL unless you get it from me. Which I won't give.
>>737448198>implying that unemployment isn't at all time high in white countries
>>737448385That is covered under "economically desperate". Please learn to read before replying to me again.
Why didn't you release the car mod? Well, I don't think I'll ever play New Vegas again anyways so I don't care.
>>737429716>How did this happen?It already happened in 2006, modder fought a lot over their codes and sabotaged each other.Parlor versus Cathedral mindsethttps://wryemusings.com/Cathedral%20vs.%20Parlor.htmlSome modder consider their mods to be unique masterpiece that shall not be muddied by others.Other modder consider their mods to be only one brick in the overall cathedral everyone is building, an optional brick.
>>737448279Uh..a free ride, for mods? Streaming? If you're expecting anything different that's part of being the problem. When you make money doing this its because people liked what you produced enough to want to give you money, not because you sat there like a gatekeeper demanding it and then crying when not enough people pay until you fuck off and claim its everyone else's problem. This is before getting into the issue that paid modding, piracy etc... can easily step over the gray area that lets them exist without getting raped by the IP cartels. You can monetize without being a greedy asshole - you're still only going to get a fraction of people to contribute. Same thing is the case with every service online. However, if you're open handed and provide a good service you're likely to get those who can afford and are interested in contributing to do so, even - especially - if its not "required". That's the crux of it. Look at all the people who throw a couple of bucks to some patreon or buy subscriptions to streamers because they like their shit even if its not a pay-to-play situation.
>>737448456I just don't understand why you put out browns out of nowhere. How many brown modders you even know?
>>737429716Internet and gaming became mainstream, which means massive commercialization.
>>737449121I got to experience a pre-brown internet and can collate that it is a major problem in all aspects of it's existence. It's not hard to tell.
>>737448845>artist's vision: art>mod community: gay flag + lesbian girls to jerk off toI don't think the LGBT modding community approves of boobs and I don't think most developers these days don't put a rainbow flag in somewhere
>>737429716Companies opened the pandora box of paid mods.
>>737449105no i mean like they'll come to you with questions, use your mod freely in compilations, complain about the mod not working when you're not using it as intended, etc. i dont defend modders being iron fist with trying to get paid but i see why they do it. good will in the modding world gets you burned more often than not.
>>737449121NTAIt's always justified to point it out, even when not on topic
>>737449342That image was made before trannies existed
>>737429716>How did this happen?Unity and Unreal becoming normalized in the gaming industry.
>>737429716In actuality, there were always people like the bottomhttps://wryemusings.com/Cathedral%20vs.%20Parlor.htmlThis is from 2005 and is written by one of the big Morrowind/Oblivion moddeds lf the timeEven paywalls weren't unheard of, in fact back in the day the Sims modders were plagued by "paysites"http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/
>>737449467>Skyfall, 2012You're right, but it's still so painful how woke Craig's Bond run was and how they made it canon he has gay sex
>>737449561And here's a big collection of paywall modders crying about the mirrors>2006http://paysites.mustbedestroyed.org/legal/old.txt
>person makes mod>remove the shitty part nobody likes and release it for other people that don't like the shitty part>watch original mod author seethe My favorite.
>>737447097to be fair, all the reasons for working have been ripped away from the younger generations.there are three core 'pillars' to incentivize proper work.the ability to start a family, the ability to own and economic freedom, and a proper community to participate in.>women that are even remotely marriable are few and far between. even the mere act of interacting with one can ruin your life. and then for children, with the economy in shit you cannot raise them alone and have to subject them to the whims of teachers, daycare custodians, and liberals on the internet.>global economy has been completely destroyed. the only prospect of owning a home is being born rich or inheritance.>society, similarly destroyed. there is no community anymore, only endless niggers.without any of these, why do any honest and proper work?
>>737434963>a good chunk of modders today don't even play the game.To be fair, most game devs don't play their games either.
>>737446665>StarsectorStarsector had a problem because it took a fucking long time for the lead developers to put a rule keeping the modder's ego under check.>modder push his blattantly pro nazi mod and ideas on the forum>lead dev don't do more than warn him>let the other modder drive him out using crash-code in their mods if his mod is detected>precedent set: it is ok for modder to put crashcode to disagree with another modder>arrogant modders start stealth-nerfing each others mod>years later>a modder who took over the maintenance of many many abandonned mods use them to corrupt save if a rape-mod that forked out of his own mod is detected>said modder get banned, realizing only now he attracted too much attention by using mod that weren't his own to do it.Other than that bad precedent, Starsector modding is actually rather good.
>>737435118The issue started with Minecraft, zoomzoom. This shit didn't happen before minecraft modders felt so entitled to money, you couldn't download their releases without going through a site like adfly that forces you to see ads before redirecting to the actual download link.That is the actual origin of the issue that drifted into the modern day shitscape where everything is hidden behind not just paywalls and discords, but monthly subscription paywalls.>>737444073>moans about sausages>refuses to fight for his country when it actually mattersFuck off and die, traitor.
>>737450357>>refuses to fight for his country when it actually matters>Fuck off and die, traitor.I know he's a slav but what's the point in him dying or killing another man?
>>737450357>>moans about sausages>>refuses to fight for his country when it actually matters>Fuck off and die, traitor.
>>737450357You use the word fight because the word die is unpalatable
>>737449334So did everyone else here but you've still failed to explain what brown people have to do with mods being taken more seriously now.
>>737449421Ahh okay I see. I think there's a balance for things like that >QuestionsIf you put up a FAQ and encourage them to read it before coming to you I find that helps. If necessary say you won't reply to any question that's answered right away in the FAQ in a simpl fashion etc. >use in compilationsSo long as they attribute it and give you fair credit I don't see a problem with this, outside of some really niche things or specific license violations somehow>complaints and other stupidity Yeah, that's another thing like the above. You can try to help people making good faith attempts but telling them to RTFM if they're not paying attention after you've told them again and again the solution to their issue.
I made a big mod for skyrim, before there was forty different versions. I wrote in the description that people could use my stuff if they credited me. (In hindsight is pointless because I did it as a hobby and never sought any kind of monetization from it at all, so there was no point to this attempt at getting recognition for my work, but it just seemed like it was what you did at the time). Something like 6 people have reached out since then asking if they can use my models and textures in their own work and I've just said yes every time. Why not, what's the point of modding if you're going to be a retard cunt about it.
>>737429716People doing things for the love of it VS. People doing things because they have nothing else going on in their life and over value it and thus build a self identity on it
>>737447943>Valve wanted to reward and incentivize modders to make better mods. The idea was soundHorse shit, it was an unmoderated mess with people stealing each others mods and people uploading copyrighted material and others breaking mod chains that depend on other mods.It was the worst shit idea executed in the worst possible way. Valve had no fucking clue about what they were doing and had not thought anything through. You don't have to defend them just because it was Valve.
>>737453349I'm saying the idea on paper is sound. Whether it was executed well is a whole other matter. All I'm doing is giving them credit for backing off and not being bethesda.
>>737453349Steam itself was a mess at launch, to be fair
>PAY ME WHAT IM WORTH
>>737454267What's the context of that shot?
>make a mod that just takes a bunch of other mods and packs them together, in a game that is considered to only allow one mod at a time due to the engine design>also throw in a few tweaks of my own>release it anonymously since I didn't really make it, adding credits for everyone's work except for my own>two years later, someone messages me if I made the mod and links to a thread, he only knows because of some obscure modding mechanic contained that only I make use of>say yes, glad he found it fun>check the thread after to see what people think of it>it's actually a witchhunt, they're trying to find out who committed this vile breach of modding ethics, and I just handed them the noose
>>737429716Modders became neurotic fame obsessed troons. Retards are out here acting like reddit mods trying to "grow their community" on discord and shit because the only thing that gets them off is being surrounded by sycophants. Even ones that have zero monetization do this shit. It's absurd.
>>737429887You don't need to be a gamedev to be a modder. You can simply enjoy the task of modding.
>>737454762call them fags and tell them their code was retarded and gay and you had to fix a bunch of their mistakes with AI.That'll calm them down.
Modern modding sucks ass. Captain of industry had literally one modder and the devs banned his ass and banned anyone from using his mod. He took a stance against them releasing DLC in early access and now there's some drama bullshit about DMCA's and other horseshit with shit flinging between the two sides. Now the game has no mods Fucking great.
>>737454762What game? Only one I've heard of with modding restrictions like that was Divinity OS1
Examples of modders bricking the game if they detect you using a rival mod?
>8 hours ago>thread still upKILL YOURSELF JAKNIGGER.
>>737455198oooooh starsector, one autist decided to wage a war against a rape mod (which is actually more than just porn) and then turn the entire modding scene + all players against him.
>>737455198Sim city 4 I think had that happen? Unless it was skylines. I know that starsector had one like that though. Go ask the /vst/ thread.
>>737455198In the Minecraft modding scene way back in the day, if you used gregtech and tinker's construct together, your client would crash because of gregtechAlso Ark: Survival Evolved had this mod (Annunaki Genesis) that would fuck up any dinosaurs added from other mods for some bizarre reason
>>737433567America before August 17, 1915
>>737455292is there anything in this universe more pathetic than a backseat janny?
>>737455998Backseat implies anyone is at the wheel, which clearly isn't the case here.
>>737455198The author of the Fallout 4's AAF sex mod made it intentionally crash the game if it detected it had the rival mod NAF installed. The stupid part is that it searched for a plugin with NAF.esm in the name to do that, and people only found out because someone had both AAF and a five nights at freddy's mod installed, and the thing was crashing because it was finding a FNAF.esm.I never even used NAF once but I uninstalled AAF on the spot because fuck retards who think they have the right to play god with my game
>>737429716We didn't only post fucking wojaks in 2008 we had real memes
>>737429716I was on that gay bg3 mod discord you kind of have to be on because it has a bunch of exclusive mods and tracks all the patreon mods and someone wanted a mod changed and I said just fork it and the fag was like>oh I would never do that to someone else's workit was something dumb like changing an equipment spot. you just change like 2 words in a .txt file. the mod maker would never even know if you just did it for your own game. I do it all the time
>>737429783it's called nigger culture normalfaggot.
>>737429716Youtubers, patreon, onlyfans, etc. As 90s kids died out the idea of selling out being uncool died too.
Does anyone remember in the 90s when absolute fucking faggots would rip sprite sheets from games and demand you credit them if you used them?
>>737456639Die racist swine
>>737431010why? he is making a tweak to it that he wanted and shared it with whomever else wants to download it. nobody says you have to download it and nothing is taken away from the original mod. mods are for the benefit of the end user and the game in question, NOT fucking clout for the modder.
>>737456798Kill yourself traitor before I do it myself
>>737433567>>737455945Britain before 1946Australia before 1973
>>737455150NTA but this is a problem for Bethesda's games too. You can't take the million mods for Skyrim or Fallout and turn them into one megamod to cut down on download count, but you can pay Nexus a subscription to be allowed to use their wabbajack to mass download curated packs.
>release mod>write terms of use>you can use, modify and redistribute my mod so long as you release it for free
I don't want to sound like a communist or something but I think the idea of "intellectual property" has fucked the human race, maybe irreparably
>>737431010>hey can you add x option or feature to [MOD]?>fuck off no, im not your free labor monkey>ok, *do it myself and release it for others who want the same changes*>AAAAIIIIIEEE TAKE THIS DOWN RIGHT NOWThere are honestly few people as butthurt and petty when it comes to their work as modders.
>>737459437The original idea of having 7 years to establish yourself as the creator of an idea so the everyman would be able to differentiate them from the copies that followed was sound, but the mutation into a near perpetual license and death of public domain has absolutely fucked humanity up.
>>737429716It all started with youtube making "content creator" into an occupation. ever since then, everything that we do on the internet has to have a profit motive. even modding.
>>737429716economy got harder, money is tight for everyoneso if you put work into something and give it away for free when you could otherwise profit off it, you feel like you're wasting a big opportunity because again you could really use the extra incomeback then most people were more financially secure.
>>737459437I think you should be protected for so many years, then afterwards anyone who makes content with your idea is forced to pay you royalties forever. They don't need your permission, but they still must pay you.
>>737463198Yet ironically people are buying way more than beforeIn EU GBA Pokemon in box was deemed "expansive" at like 40e, the same one goes for 200e and tend to sell quite fastThe only losers are zoomers. Why? Because nothing they have is valuable, everything is harder for them, to get a job, for anything. Millenial atleast can sell their old stuff to rich/normie retard and get money but us? god forbid us
