>1.4 million signatures>Both EU and California about to vote on Stop Killing Games bills in the next few months>All enemies of SKG (Ubisoft, Pirate software) have been destroyedBe honest, when you first heard of SKG did you ever think it could be winning this insanely?
Somehow USSR has returned
Pirate Softwares entire dev team just quit and dishoned him calling him a narcissist who can't admit when he's wrong.Ross is too strong
>YES YES YES GOVERN ME HARDER DADDY YES!!!!!
>>737431652You will own everything and you will be sad.
>>737431746>meAre you a billion dollar corporation?
>>737431536I hope it fails, cucksoomers deserve to suffer.
>>737431746Yes, do your job as a government and stop corporations from fucking me.
>>737431793As God intended
>>737431839...just do buy shit games????lol do you fucking SKG tards really need daddy government to step in and force you to STOP consuming??
>>737431536>>737431536>>737431536I will not support SKG until they make an exemption that games that are WOKE or games that contain NIGGERS will not be preserved. I have demands and you should too.
>>737431536>CaliforniaHuh? Are they copying what EU is doing or is it unrelated?
YES YES YES GOVERN ME HARDER DADDY YES!!!!!
>>737431972I WILL buy shit games and I WILL force publishers to hand over the keys when they pull the plug.No, you can't stop me.
>>737431536>more big gov!>everything will become worst
>>737431697>Ashes of Creation's strongest soldier
>>737431746The real danger is corporate power. An elected government should be empowered to keep corporations in check, like how it's done in China.Americans are so mindraped from propaganda they think opposing a chemical factory dumping dioxins in a river through REGULATIONS means you're a leftist tranny or whatever their boogeyman is this week.
>corpo bootlickers when you ask the game publisher what they intend to do with the game when support ends
>mutts hate getting basic consumer rights Every time.
>>737432236another jeet posted that one rajeesh, you're not coordinating well enough todaythat's -100 izzat
>>737432236You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, it’s crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?
>>737431697His Minecraft server dev quit and his entire mod team quit after he called Kronos a waste of money and a parasite, and there were chat logs dropped of them decrying ps being toxic and insulting his fans.
>>737431697>dev teamsounded more like his twitch mods just abandoned him but still it's funny
never forget corponiggers posted literal child pornography to discredit skgnever forget that shit
Which games are dying?
>>737432351>The real danger is corporate power. An elected government should be empowered to keep corporations in check, like how it's done in China.Being this retarded.
>>737432510>corponiggersIt's okay to say who it is, Israel specifically.
>>737431697qrd?
>>737431972This is why American water has lead in it.
>>737431536Why are people acting like this will have any outcome other than the EU requiring companies to slap a label on a game saying that the servers are not guaranteed to last forever and have you acknowledge an additional end user agreement prompt when booting up the game? They're not going to tell developers that they need to actually design games for offline play exclusively it would get shot down for overreaching immediately
>>737432715>he can't afford lead in his waterDo thirdies really...
>>737431536Thor mogs this loser tho
>>737432510this never happenedyou SKG niggers are so desperate
>>737432664tl;dr his twitch mods felt that he was really arrogant and incapable of seeing things in a way that wasn't his so they left him
>>737432763fuck off Jason
>>737432723>Why are people acting like I'm transitioning.Probably the fact you're popping HRT like candy, sister.
>>737432510What a glorious day that was.
>>737432824Yeah so you don't have a real answer got it
>>737431536The best part is how it makes shills, jeets and mutts seethe so hard
>>737432723We be lucky if that's all they do.They going to use this as a "proof" we need digital ID, and then we can use it as proof of digital ownership. just chip yourself and you can have your games forever!
>>737432541>dyinglots of online games. let's say pubg of is close to dead>deadthe number is extremely high. The Crew by Ubisoft is a great example. If I bought a phsyical copy of the game, I would have only found out I couldn't play the game ever again like a year before the fact: this is information which is required to exist for the sale of a licence, lest I mistakenly believe I am purchasing a good with perpetual ownership (or in this case access) because the word 'buy' is used at just about every storefront. Similarly, if I bought the game from a third party, like wal-mart, Ubisoft didn't do anything to inform wal-mart to inform me that this arrangement was the caseIn case you aren't following, my purchase would have been influenced by the existence of the information that my access to the product would be cut off
America: we're not enslaved if it's the corporations that own us™
>>737432309currently in a biggest gov admin btw
>>737432723>EU>end user agreementsSmartest frognigger.
>>737431998Why are you making it political?
>>737431697I'm still fucking mad nothing came out of him being into feral furry art of ferrets despite running a ferret rescue sanctuary. He even lied about his volunteers being harassed until they quit when in reality they were disgusted to find out their boss jacks off to realistic depictions of animals. Him being a turbo freak is way worse than him being a narcissistic larper.
>>737431536>Karl Marx speaking to the proletariat (colorized)
>>737432774HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
>>737431536I think that there are much bigger cancers to gaming that could have been championed over "I can't play GaaSlop from 10 years ago" but if it fucks over shit devs, I'm all for it.
>>737433004i knew a guy who had a poster of this image on his wall
>>737433256It's the same type of gaudy dorky kitsch shit that Trump would love, it's great
>>737433256It goes pretty hard to be fair
>>737431536this is why they try to supress gamers, they fear our might
>>737431972Just don't drink poison water idoit.
>>737432236I dont make games, so they arent governing me. Im willing to bet you dont either. laws that dont restrict me, and make my vidiya better are good.
>>737432763Yeah, mogs him at fucking ferrets and using a voice changer furfaggots deserve the rope
You are a fucking loser if you support this shitLike straight up, just look at what your spokesperson looks like lmfao
>>737433052Yes the EU does have EULAs sorry you just click through things without reading them it explains why you need to government to step in and physically force you to stop buying live service slop
>>737433330I can see that if you're a retard
>if this fails then retarded buytards lose>if this wins then ubishit and pals loseFeels good to win either way
>>737433219there are too many pedophiles amongst e-celebs for people to care about bestialityyourmoviesucks got away with dog fucking, theamazingatheist got away with horse porn ect ect
>>737433878>EU does have EULAsNo, it doesn't.>buy stuff>extra conditions after you paid100% illegal and only the biggest and most retarded goy would believe otherwise.
>>737431697>>737432784>>737432486>>737432506So what you is saying isIf people started spamming his switch with the word ferret fucker he couldn't do anything to stop it?
>>737432039Copying
>>737433535>initiative is bad because...one of the thousands of people involved looks bad!
>>737434050>https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj/eng>Restrictions of the consumer's use of the digital content or digital service in accordance with this Directive could result from limitations imposed by the holder of intellectual property rights in accordance with intellectual property law. Such restrictions can arise from the end-user license agreement under which the digital content or digital service is supplied to the consumer. illiterate slavic pig most likely
>>737432715>>737433414>comparing video games to an essential human needGamers are so fucking delusional
>>737431536No. It would have failed if not for that retard Piratesoftware shooting himself in the foot, really.But I still don't see the point of this movement. What kind of retards buys live service games?
>>737432510You mean kikechan niGGers, right?
>>737431536Leftist love woke corporations like Ubisoft
>>737434205>only if the trader specifically informs the consumer before the conclusion of the contract Keyword: before.You will never have a foreskin.
>>737431697>Pirate Softwares entire dev team just quitWhere was this?
>>737434312>What kind of retards buys live service games?Same retards that are born retarded, yet we choose to pamper them with extra care instead of letting natural selection take place as it should.SKG really is a reflection of humanity's overprotection.
>>737431536Leftist bootlickers are trying way too hard to fit in
>>737434345So you agree that they could just slap a warning on the front of the game before you buy it in the eshop or on the physical box, the fact that you are such a rabid slavic nigger that you can't even consider the possibility of what the outcome of this will be says a lot, no one has said that's what should happen, you were asked why you think something different will and you can't even show that
>>737431972It doesn't matter how shitty it is. If you paid money for the thing it's yours and they shouldn't be able to break your toy whenever they want.
>>737434318nom corporate ratsyou're not weaseling out of this one
>>737434486>So you agree that they could just slap a warning on the front of the game before you buy itNo they can't anymore if the SKG initiative works, that's the point you mongoloid. I buy a game I own a game.
>1.4 million signaturesProof the EU is corrupt as we KNOW at minimum 500k of those were botted>Both EU and California about to vote on Stop Killing Games bills in the next few monthsPaid for by under the table deals in both territories>All enemies of SKG (Ubisoft, Pirate software) have been destroyedDidn't happen, both still succeeding while SKG stalls as the corruption comes to light.
>>737434530Okay pedo niGGer.
>>737434527>Pay money for a burger, Eat it, and it disappears>"NOOOOO EU HELP PLEASE MCDONALDS TOOK MY FOOD AWAY AFTER I PAID FOR IT NOOOOOOO"
>>737434318You mean BasedChan
>>737434558>I buy a game I own a gameYou illiterate fucking mongoloid I'm asking you a simple question. What is stopping them from just making it so that as long as a warning is applied the game BEFORE you buy it clearly visible on the store page or box all is fine as it currently is? Why can't your illiterate slavic monkey brain even entertain a single question that challenges your position?
>>737434561Its weird seeing the left pretend to hate Ubisoft after years of defending them
>>737434571Yes. 8Ch is based. We all knew this
>>737434672>What is stopping them from just making itThe new legislation. Are you legally retarded?
>>737434672That wouldn't change when SKG and the EU make the practice illega.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1DZzmMb2q0OH NO NO NO NO
>>737432723If you watched the parliament discussion they say that's not going to happen.
>>737431536>close a restaurant due to low revenue>you are now legally obliged to give away your recipes and tools because a handful of retards can't find somewhere else to eatI'm sure this will incite indie devs to make games...
>>737434571What exactly makes you seethe more? GG or SKG?Regardless you're a faggot who's mad.
>>737434715>>737434716So you can't answer and can't fathom a world where they just require a label, you are going to be sorely disappointed>>737434745The EU says a lot of things aren't going to happen
>>737434719Is it an insane update or a crazy situation? I know to know precisely what short of face I need to make.
>>737433429>I dont make games, so they arent governing meLetting government control what games are allowed is a slippery slope to controlling all media. And usually that ends up poorly for the consumer.That's like rooting for games to get a mature rating. After all, it's better for children right? No possible downsides, right? Then you realize that it just leads to retarded censorship which you all are constantly bitching about.Seriously you guys are so short-sighted it amazes me that you haven't walked into a car yet. Nothing pisses me off more than retards cheering for their own downfall when I'm stuck riding the bus with them.
>>737434785You seem to spend a lot of time there.
>>737434767You are now legally obligated to cook your customers food for free whenever they want*
>>737431536>EU and CaliforniaGaming is fucked.
>>737434767>food analogywhy are gamers so fat
the contrarian tears are so delicious
>>737431697This guy is such a meme it's hilarious. He can't even stop himself from not acting like a piece of shit on stream.>dad calls him during stream>"Jason you didn't call me to say happy birthday yesterday.">I did.>"No, you didn't. You didn't even text me.">I'm 100% sure I did, dad.>"I have the call history, Jason!">call me Thor, please.>"What?!">*hangs up* Well... that just happened.
>>737434812>you can't answerI literally answered twice. Seems you're retarded for real which also explains why you write like a nigger.
>>737434613data isn't inherently perishable like food
>>737434824>You seem to spend a lot of time there.
>>737434812>can't fathom a world where they just require a label,The EU doesn't give a shit about that. They will make the practice of killing games illegal
>>737434613this but unironically
>spend 1000s on jpegs in gacha>nooo you can't take my jpeg awaylol
>>737434785based 8ch making the jeets seethe
>>737434818This is why I don't believe ion controlled substances.
>>737434975Based
>>737434865IIRC he checked the call history nd his last call was 1year ago or some shitt but I'm positive it was a bit for the stream
>>737434980Back to blacked.gov niGGer.
>>737434818>Letting government control what games are allowedThat's not what happening though. But you know this.
>>737434818They already control all media with government regulation. It's called copyright.
>>737434785The jew leftist starts spamming cuck porn, every time
>>737432404There's a reason none of your countries have invented anything for 300 years. Americans take risks and figure things out, because we're descended from the bravest ancient Europeans. Meanwhile, the cowards who feared the New World and adventure today hide behind their governments so they never have to feel anything in their lives.
>>737435072Ah yes, innovations like paid subscription services for heated seats in cars.
>>737435072>none of your countries have invented anything for 300 years
>>737435150The EU doesn't have free speech, bootlicker
Sure, the trade is that you need to verify your IRL identity and prove that you purchased the game before it went down.
>>737434818A slippery slope to what anon? If it is the end of good games, then id rather try SKG to save vidiya than let publishers continue down the path they are going down now. This bus is speeding towards a cliff and youd rather let the driver floor it than rip out the engine and hope we stop. I respect your thinking, but this is the only way. unimpeded capitalists wont stop until they have it all.
>>737434818I dunno why you think they can't have this power without you? Other people will simply push their interests when you say no I won't use the government.
>buy car >fine print clearly states seller has the right to take the car away from you someday>car is taken from you a year later>"WHAT THE FUUUCK MONEY STOLEN THIS IS ILLEGAL!!!! EU DO SOMETHING"Next time, try learning to read. Don't agree to shit you don't want to agree on.
>>737431536I didn't think it would get this far but I don't think it will go anywhere that changes anything. We can hope though.
>>737435232>capitalistsWhat does this have to do with free trade, bootlicker?
>>737431697https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1DZzmMb2q0
>tesla wants users to buy the 2026 model>activates remote kill switch on all 2019 and older models>says it is an irreversible action that had to be done for "customer security reasons">everyone claps>goes out and buys the 2026 modelfree market at work without any of this daddy government needed
Fine.All games will be paid subscriptions from now on. Stop paying and you lose access.
>>737435230Neither does the USA.
>>737435271Actually it's just a license rule, your example assumed they're buying a good, which they aren't
/v/ lost. Total eurochad victory. The younger generations will know a future of playing their childhood games.
Threadly reminder that corpo shills are still seething more than a year later.Reminder that they can only repeat the same tired concern trolling and naysaying.Reminder that we won and that they can't stop it.
>>737435327Yes it does, no u doesn't work here bootlicker.If you support rights why are you against free speech?
>>737431536maybe games finally can stop being killed but porn has totally been killed already and there's no coming back from that, we won but at what cost?
>>737435354>>737435339Bootlickers still can't make an argument, all they know is worship the state
>>737431536>Be honest, when you first heard of SKG did you ever think it could be winning this insanely?I've been with Ross every step of the way. No, I did not think he would actually win. I was wrong.Forgive me Ross!
>>737435323They tried that during the race for the WOW killer era. If it was profitable they would keep doing it.
>>737431536>release graphic overhaul "update" made with AI and chinese slaves as official patch>add ads to the game so I can pay for some shitty servers>host shitty servers for the game indefinitely >don't have to comply with shitWhat now ?
>>737435285You are not a capitalist, you are a gear in their system. do not defend them.
>>737435556>>737435562Who founded communism, bootlicker?
>>737435072>300 yearsAmerica didn't invent anything until the 1900s and now it's the Chinese
>>737435627You're on an American websiteBut leftists can't create anything new
>>737435527making a game worse isn't exactly a new invention
>>737432723Frogposters are so consistently 100% retarded that it almost seems like that's a false flag to make frogposting synonymous with stupidity. I don't understand how this keeps happening
>>737435682Yeah a 20 year old unc website
>>737435682>You're on an American websiteOwned by a jap powered by computers built in china, taiwan and korea. Sounds very american to me.
>>737435706Why didn't you make an argument, bootlicker
>>737435682This is a rip-off of a Japanese website.
>>737435776Made by an American and sold to a country that is even more right wing than AmericaMeanwhile leftists can't create anything
>>737435621I dont care. Because i am not for communism, just regulated capitalism. You seem a little too upset to see that. or you are being paid to spread negativity.either way lmao you lost
>>737435289Hehehe that's great.Makes sense he was actually paying them, even retards wouldn't do it for free.
I used to think king of the hill was a comedy. Then I realised it was a documentary.
>>737435901>I don't careThen why respond? >actually YOU careProjecting isn't an argument, bootlicker
Your arguments are non-sequitur. Frankly, I don't know why anyone engage with you at this point.
>>737435980Then why project your own bootlicking, bootlicker
I can still play all single player games that I've ever owned over the course of 30 years.Are you people fucking retarded or what?
>>737435271>buy base game for $70, expecting it to last a good while (or forever in this guy's mind)>sorry everyone, game isn't as popular as we thought, so we're gonna pull the plug early>money stolenI get his point, but these games already have a bunch of red flags on it. "Online only, need internet membership, we can terminate your account for any reason." Like if that isn't enough to deter you from buying idk what is.
>>737436087>no uNext time try to make an actual argument, bootlicker
>>737436182Nonargument for nonargument, bootlicker
>>737436149Why not stop them from doing that anyway? Seems like it's pure upside to me. Oh no, they have to spend an extra week making their shitty game playable by whatever diseased mind liked it and paid for it. Those poor one more week of paycheck developers.
American's don't want communism, so it'll get struck down.
>>737432510>This shit started in 2024No wonder y'all are so deranged. It has been over two years and you have accomplished nothing hahahahaha
Maybe we were too harsh on GFWL.
>>737436301paid PC online, nigga
>>737431536I voted for this in the first months. I was expecting to win to be honest.Then the movement started to die. I didn't know why. Later Ross calls out PirateSoftware (which was the real culprit of the movement dying) and the SKG is revived.I get a surge of hopium and involve friends and even parents. I would have involved my grandparents if they weren't in the grave.So, yea, fuck PirateSoftware.
>>737435776I always wonder if hiroshimoot even uses 4chan himself.
>>737436384You need to chill out on the Reddit spacing.
>>737436149I mean, that's why laws exist, to prevent retards from hurting themselves because they're no better than cattle
>>737436406Not anymore. He's what's called an absentee owner in this industry.
>>737436267Because the idiots who buy these games should suffer more. Not enough suffering. It makes me upset when retards get coddled. It does not benefit me in any way since I never buy these types of games. Retards deserve to be milked and put in retard containment camps.
>>737432510Some faggot moderators literally deleted threads on their own. No sabotage was needed. The enemy is within.
>>737431536It is not a win until we see the result, I am sure EA and such have a back up plan that will somehow fuck players even harder
>>737434571>8moe is basedyou sure showed us Jason
>>737436501I think the people that produce the games should suffer more. If they suffer enough, they stop making the games, and those retards that buy the games stop getting any games and that will also make them suffer. My way causes a more ideal suffering arrangement for you.
>>737433429>I don't drink soda, so they aren't governing me.
>>737434075Probably has a million word combinations auto moderated in the mod bot, so you'd get instantly banned upon sending the message, more or less like here when you post a link to the farms.
>>737436502So not everyone is a bootlicking faggot?Why not browse reddit
>>737436635Is this supposed to be an issue? First generation caps were rightfully ridiculed and now they're fine.
I just want a new game dungeon vid bros... i've watched the alan wake one 10+ times already
yes
what bill exactly? will the give us any digital ownership rights? otherwise you own nothing - not the skins you buy in a game, not any digital media - you are just 'renting' it and they will write it in the license to accommodate any new laws
>Congrats /v/, all new games are subscription model now. You won!yay?
It's pathetic this is the great unity of zoomers Millennials had OWSGen X had Woodstock Zoomers are trying and failing to turn their genshit purchases into investments
>>737436753You literally already have digital ownership rights. This whole thing is predicated on enforcement of laws that are already theoretically on the books but have yet to be applied in this case.
>>737436837Subscription models with set expiration datesI'm sure this won't hurt sales at all :^)
>>737436654>So not everyone is a bootlicking faggot?Ironic projection
>>737436837>kills the entire industryI win anyway?
>>737436837>banned on EUThey won't lost the market. I hate that mutts do win for once thanks to EU.
Shame we will never know how many of these posts are serious and not just shiposting How many people don't know how gaming looked 20 years ago
>>737436913You guys should stick to food analogies, anything more complex makes (you) completelly miss the point.
>>737436913Yeah, lets do that too. I want to enslave developers permanently to supporting their terrible gacha game in perpetuity. A permanent underclass, entire families of coding-slaves making new bikini outfits for a gacha that hasn't had a single player in decades.
>>737436837subscription model still need to be able to played after the studio kills it so it would go like>scam as a service release with forced 1 year of support>No players for the entire year>Forced to release the servers and make the game free forever legally or go to prisonI'm not seeing any problem
I don't get itThis doesn't actually affect a single game worth playing, does it? Why the fireworks?
>>737436703
>>737437187Why not? It's free rights for me. Literally no downsides.
>>737431536Why couldn't it at least be someone who's not ugly as sin?
How can you honestly argue against owning things you purchased?
>>737437187It really doesn't matter how shit it is. If you paid for the thing it's yours and they shouldn't be able to destroy what you bought remotely.
>>737437187I'll be able to hand my 5 star SSR Jane Doe down to my son
>>737436753Bootlickers have successfully implanted into normies' minds that because you're buying a license it can be revoked at any time without cause. In reality any product you buy comes with a license. If you buy a car, a dvd, cd, clothes, etc, you're buying a license to that specific item. That doesn't mean adidas can come take your shoes away because you did a wrongthink or they discontinued production.
>>737437205>Literally no downsidesIt's never a good idea to give more power to the government, statist.
>>737437338it's another meltdown borne out of /v/'s suicidal instinct as living failures.
>>737437406It's never a good idea to leave your rights in the hands of corporations either, so I flipped a coin and here I am. Weird that you defend shit like corporate IP law and corporate ownership of products enforced by the state as an ancap though. Downright peculiar.
>>737437406Amusing how your lot only speaks up when it's the common man asking for more rights for himself.
We live in a time where techfascist corporations like palantir will tell mutts to that they need to be drafted, but heaven forbid regulating VIDEO GAMES. Get a grip
>>737437338>dude just take future profits from others, its fine>just take the bread from their tableSee I don't want regulations that ensure poverty is the only course.
Existence of first party dedicated servers for games without first party servers online that would comply with SKG retroactively like Quake 3 Arena or CS 1.6 are the simplest way to show why anti-SKGgers are full of shit.Besides them opening their mouths, that's more than enough.
>>737437205>>737437353What rights am I gaining if I don't even buy games in the first place?
>>737434818>Letting government control what games are allowedNot what's requested, try again
>>737437661>what do I, a criminal, gain by laws changing for non criminals?>checkmate atheists
>>737437028Gacha games aren't even going to be affected by SKG since they're free to play. If you bought gambling currency and gambled it away then you already got what you paid for.
>>737437497
Theres clearly something strange when giving consumers more rights is met with such visceral hatred. How many these anti-SKG posts are psy-op posts from companies?
>>737434613Your analogy fails because this would be more like: pay for burger, eat it, restaurant owner comes in and forcibly shoves ipecac down your throat so you end up vomiting up the burger you paid for, and then the restaurant owner leaves while telling you the burger offer was only good for a limited time and keeps the money you paid for the burger.
>>737431746You're right, everyone should just stop asking government for things and then they'll do nothing, right? You might be onto something anon, but I don't know, I just feel like they might sometimes work against my interests if I don't ask them to work for my interests.
>>737437748All of them. Try getting those cunts explain the existence of dedicated servers and what's stopping devs from doing that and calling it a day. They'll have to come up with a conpletely different reality to prove you they're right.
>>737437748Some of them are corporate shills, others are lobotomites whose only coherent possible thought is "GUBERMENT BAD", and then there is the third type, people who are happy with things getting worse for them because it also gets worse for others and that's all that matters to themAll three are subhuman in their own little ways
>>737434672SKG is asking for that, you retard. And the game companies are opposing even that simple of a solution because they know it will cost them sales, particularly as the game gets closer to its expiry date and late comers avoid any purchases because of it. All SKG is doing is asking game companies to quit scamming customers by using language that indicates purchasing a product, but instead they are selling a service they can end at any time without warning or notice.
I was a piratesoftware hater before it blew up and even talked about it here on /v/ with other anons, exposing how his subs were clearly fake and him using a voicechanger.
>>737434672T-that's literally what SKG are asking, end of life plan or a very clear warning about possibility of the game being shuttered
>>737434818As opposed to the current situation of letting government enforce companies' rights over yours? Sorry, but saying, "You have to be honest and upfront about what a customer is giving you money for, and if you are selling a product let the customer continue to keep and use that product even if you don't want to support it anymore," is not a boot on your, or a corporations, neck.
>>737437353I see your point but I don't see how drafting a law that only affects a very small minority of games, those being paid GaaS, that I honestly don't see how celebrating SKG as some sort of massive revolution that will save the gaming industry isn't an overreaction.
If you want to shut down the game at any time this business model is still allowed
>>737437497>>737437502>government creates a problem>government provides the 'solution'You are a fool. These corporations are all government-subsidized. 'Billionaires' that people bitch about are all welfare leeches.
All that's needed for companies to do to comply with SKG.>write client netcode>write a rudimentary dedicated server for the client netcode you'll release for free>write an extension to the dedicated server for any components you won't be able to share but won't be fundamental for the game to workDone, now the game is SKG compliant on day one and can shut down whenever. Valve's games already comply with SKG. It's been done before, it can be done now.
>>737431536I love the fact that what they're really doing is killing bad games, like multiplayer trash.
>>737437552Then don't make an online only game? It's not hard? You can feed yourself if you just don't make gacha, if you make gacha then your family is enslaved forever. Literally just don't do that.
Instead of removing microtransactions you guys are obsessed with private concord servers bakagames will continue to die
>>737438230Okay so you're saying that the government already has total power anyway, so who the FUCK cares what theater they do? We can do whatever we like and enable the government or the corporations to do anything as well, since they are all the exact same thing apparently.
Stop killing games shouldn't involve lawfare at all and anyone who thinks putting the goddamn EU in charge of it is retarded. Vendors need to be pressured in to allowing refunds for rugpulls (like with the Batman fiasco) and everything else needs to just be covered under the purchase agreement.Example anyone that bought Highguard currency should get a refund because they were sold a roadmap of releases that never happened but if a game is in maintenance mode after years of play and the devs release a statement that they are shutting down servers on X day then too bad so sad.
>>737438230>government creates a problem>the problem is the government not being involved in the first place
>>737438237Or, you know, just let people host their servers, like every single multiplayer used to do.
>>737438403You can do both you know. Go make your own initiative, anon. Go on. Be the change you want to see.>>737438441>vendors need to be pressuredOkay, I am. With the law. Why is the law a bad way to pressure things, why is the only good way to pressure companies by making angry posts on twitter in the hopes they give me money?
>>737438346How does this even effect gacha? They already dodge EU restrictions by being sold in Asia.>>737438485You guys don't even know how shit online games were back then
>>737437338I could be a CEO one day.
>>737438506Sure I can you faggot, sure. You are controlled.
>>737438563If it's sold in the EU, it's subject to this. If they stop selling gacha in the EU altogether in response, good.
I still don't understand how an anarcho-capitalist society is supposed to protect itself from becoming a literal warlord state in more or less a week's time.
>>737438441>Vendors need to be pressured in to allowing refunds for rugpullsIts too late for that, anon, public is fickle and as shown with Always Online Diablo 3/Simcity controversy, they will forget about such things on a second or third attempt, AAA companies know it, they are banking on it
>>737438563>how shit online games were back thenLike Quake, RtCW:ET, WC3, Brood War or even the first CoD? Yeah way worse than gachashit and Call or Warfare Modern Microtansaction.
>>737438627By who? The government? Why shouldn't I use the government to get my way from a corporation? The corporation won't give me my way if I ask, and I want my way. Why is patiently waiting for the CEO to be merciful the only virtuous path?
>>737438639This isn't how it works See; EU lootbox regulations being completely ignored
>>737438403Refusing to read what rhe initiative is asking for will only make any of your arguments look obviously disingenuous. Ross clearly said games with dedicated servers are fine, since those are enough to let you play the game.Jason the ferret fucker intentionally misrepresented the initiative as "this guy wants devs to run the servers forever or they'll go to jail", you keep parroting this misinfo, and here's Ross in the EU parilament with all the eurocrats agreeing with him. You los, let it go already.>>737438485What do you need for that? Dedicated servers. Simple. Give us the DS binary, we're whole on release. It's that easy, and the reason corpos are against it is because by killing games you have no other venue but to invest in the sequel. See The Crew and The Crew 2, the games that kickstarted this campaign.
>>737435414have you tried saying "nigger" or "fuck israel" lately?
>>737438645Nobody serious advocates for ancap shit, it's all trolls and shills. Ancaps are edgy teens or ideologically captured schizos.
>>737438563>You guys don't even know how shit online games were back thenYeah imagine being able to mod a game and host it, maybe even creating a complete new game or even genre for FREE. We truly need always online and Denuvo.
>>737438735They literally had to list chances, anon. The lootbox restriction was applied.
>>737438809Again, dumb retard doesn't even know what it was like back then
>>737437748This entire board is 49.5% shills, 49.5% retards, and 1% people who play videogames. You should know this by now.
>>737438847No it wasn't you delusional retard go open any gacha
>>737438851How was it like, anon? Walk us through the horrible days of hosted servers.
>>737438760>What do you need for that? Dedicated serversThat's what I said. Also >>737438809But publishers hate the idea of another DOTA getting out of their greedy hands.>>737438851Consider suicide, zoomer.
Kinda fucked up of Ross to just behead Ubisoft executives on live television like that.
>>737438851Not our fault you've joined public servers full of hackers instead of hosting your own shit and sharing it with a few buds via Hamachi.The neat part about self-hosting is that you tailor your online experience instead of relegating it to a matchmaking algo.
>>737434486You need to sign the contract for it to be valid.That means at check out you gotta click accept on the eula
>>737438968It was firm, but fair.
like WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENEDwhy they let a scrawny nigga try to be a big fat jap
>>737438809I think he's talking about the needing a code for online era.
the fungus is chungus
>>737439015He has the big club
>>737438506Absolute retard faggot take. No the fucking EU shouldn't be telling people how they should develop video games. The EU shouldn't be doing 99% of what it does because it's supposed to just be a goddamn trade coalition but you stupid fucking faggots keep crawling to the bureacrats begging for them to do more and take more power.
>>737437398I was discussing about this with chatgpt and it couldn't articulate why digital ownership can be revoked unlike ownership of physical things.It stated corpos skirt over the issue by selling licenses instead of the actual goods, but, by that logic, no software store could ever advertise their operation as "selling software"
>>737438986You have no friends
>>737435289>>737431697I love these thumbnails lol>something mildly interesting happened>INSANE UPDATE
>>737439179Okay, why is this a bad avenue other than you hate the state and love corporations? Why is it good to give corporations more power but bad to give the state more power?
>>737432510this was a fun timejannies started shunting every skg thread to pol since they weren't vidya and pol jannies started deleting them or moving them to bant since politics about vidya isn't political and then there was that mass cp posting and deletion. exciting times around threads with near identical posts sans the cp
>>73743891499% of the time you'd have to install shitloads of third party junk just to get it to work, it was never out of the box usable unless it was a valve game Don't forget to forward ports and make yourself vulnerable to hackers or you won't be able to connect Oh and the clique drama and the banned for being too good shit
>>737439365So like, play on the official servers retard.
>>737437748they're all farming (you)s
>>737439179So you prefer that corporation reach for the government to gain more power over you, rather than asking the government to give you more power over corporations?
>>737439263I want you to kill yourself you bootlicking cunt. Fuck the EU fuck everyone that tries to make the EU do things it wasn't designed to do so cunts in Brussels can get more involved with everyone's lives.
>eceleb-trashnot video games
>>737438968It is the french way.
>>737439365holy fuck you are tech illiterate
>>737439516Very articulate, I'm sure you much prefer cunts in any given corporation getting more involved with your life.
>>737439365>filters the retards>let players gatekeep their online experienceHow are these supposed to be bad things?
>>737438735I thought the EU only laid out guidelines and haven't established any actual mtx rules yet?
>>737439495But you support corporations when they push woke shit, bootlicker
>>737431793Literally me
remember when games for windows live was shut down like 15 years ago or so? shit loads of games used it and required a check in with the servers to start up. some publishers/devs updated their games to no longer require it or to use a different platform (ie. fromsoft) while others just didn't give a shit and the games became unplayable without minor modding (like fallout 3 on steam. it took them like a decade to make it functional again)
>>737439601Enjoy getting pwned because you're private server had shit security
>>737439669>moving the goalpost that hardGuess it's difficult for you to argue with your tongue throughly stuck inside the assholes of corporations.
>>737431697LITERALLY all he had to do was use his mana gem and use one frost nova.
>I can't believe the 90's are over, video game developers were my friends back then (they weren't)
>>737431972nice freudian slip
>>737439626No, they're basedBut the shills like op are tech illiterate normies so they need the EU to help them
>>737439738Nah uh that never happened
>>737439782And they aren't now, so why not force them to give you what you want instead of asking?
>>737431793NO! I DON'T WANT TO OWN THINGS! OWNING THINGS ARE COMMUNIST! DADDY CORPORATIONS, PLEASE HELP TAKE THEM AWAY FROM ME!
>>737439758But you're the one defending woke corporations like Ubisoft, bootlicker
>>737439827You will never own the gacha character you like zoomzoom
>>737439790But the EU is the one bringing back private hosting. Are you OK Ranjeet? Your LLM is incoherent and hallucinating again.
>>737435012I wouldn't be surprised if his dad did that on purpose while he was streaming, but I doubt that Ferret Fucker arranged that himself. That's such a weird bit I don't even know why you would bother.
>>737439865Ubisoft is literally one of the corporations that is being hit by SKG, they are literally using their game an example to push for the legislation
>>737439893>bringing backGamers can already do that, you normies can't so you beg state to help you, dumb shitskin
If he wants gaming to be taken seriously why not get a fucking haircut and shave that hillbilly facial hair?
>>737439995>gamers can already do thatNot without exposure to legal action, so fuck it, might as well use legal means ourselves.
>>737439865>asking corporations to be regulated is defending corporationsAbsolutely braindead.
>>737432628Oh say can zog seethe
>>737439827Owning property is capitalist thoughCommies and bootlickers are against private propertyThe projecting of these SKG shills is just idiotic now
>>737435271>buy car>car is discovered to have a known issue, pretty much every the entire line has this issue>gov: "we'll force the manufacturer to warn you and repair this issue in your car at no cost to you">car manufacturer: "REEEEEEEEE WHY DO WE NEED TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR ALL THESE CARS THAT ARE TEN OR TWENTY YEARS OLD FOR FREE?? THIS IS GOVERNMENT OVERREACH HOW IS THIS LEGAL???"
>>737440034Nintendo will rape your corpse or straight up stop selling in the EUHave fun importing
>>737439995>Gamers can already do thatSo you can show us all these clients for multiplayer games, right? I really wanted to play a couple matches of Concord :^)
Games will cost $90 because of this, hope you're happy.
>>737431536I never thought people were dumb enough to actually buy these stupid games in the first place
>>737439179Once again, this doesn't give them more power... What a retard.
>>737440116Okay? I haven't played a Nintendo game in like ten years. Weird that you swapped up tactics though. From>REAL GAMERS ALREADY CRACK GAMESto>THE CORPORATIONS WILL DESTROY YOU, IT'S HOPELESS
>>737440136>I can't make the private servers myself That's what we literally used to do
>>737440087I cannot tell if you're ignorant, retarded, or just baiting, or a mix of all 3.
>>737440116>Nintendo will stop selling in the EUJust like Apple, right? Consider suicide.
>>737440116>Nintendo will stop selling in one of the biggest markets instead of applying slight changes to policyHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>737440136No gamer wants to play Concord that's why its another woke flop
>>737440094Ford knows how much a human life is worth and it is cheaper to pay the cost of death than recall their cars.
>>737440116I hope so
>>737440201You mean the time they completely outsmarted you and used that as an excuse to remove chargers and headphone ports? BASED EU SAVING SMARTPHONES!
>>737440194>weAh yes, all these clients for always online multiplayer games. Guess you can show "us" one #1#, right? Else you're just a confirmed retard.
>>737431536>Be honest, when you first heard of SKG did you ever think it could be winning this insanely?No, I had faith in humanity. Thought we were past DEI commit bullshit that's ultimately going to make all games worse
>>737440198>no argumentTry again, bootlicking faggot
>>737440201I fucking hope companies stop selling in the EU out of spite.Can you imagine? They'd get absolutely raped on live television by their investors for doing something so fucking retarded, that'd be hilarious.
>>737440297The thing they already did with the lightning ports, you mean?
>>737440297Weren't they doing that well before they were forced to use type c?
>>737440306You seem really angry that gamers can make private servers and you bootlickers can't
>>737436149This is to protect the retards because there's enough of them out there that it lets the companies get away with doing this
>>737440359>defending the slop peddlersHow did you become such a cuck?
>>737440330Okay so you're just baiting, got it.
>>737440414>can't show proofSo, confirmed clueless retard. Here, have last (you), zoomie.
>>737440425>defendingSounds like he wants the slop peddlers to lose shareholder value, the gravest curse in capitalism.
>>737435682Jap*
>>737440437Commies are against private property, how is that baiting low IQ bootlicker?
>>737438563>You guys don't even know how shit online games were back thenZoomcucks can't play games without matchmaking and ranking. They'd rather have their money stolen.
>Ross has a representative from the French game developer union come on>asks him what the most underrepresented issue for devs right now is>the union rep starts complaining about "go woke go broke" and how publishers don't want games with gay characters and other stuff because it doesn't sellWhat a fag lmao
>>737440297>buy an apple phone>you can charge it, no ports>you need to buy a new phone of the battery runs outWhoa Anon you might be the new Steve Jobs! Hopefully you'll get cancer too.
>>737440467>no proof private servers existAre you SKG shills tech illiterate? Lol
>>737440087>private property>not renting everything from someone else who can revoke the contract at any momentget a load of this commie faggot
>>737440531Were you living in a cave for the past 2 years? People arguing against SKG constantly calls it communism.
>>737431972no they need to step in to force YOU to stop consuming so the financial incentive is aligned with MY tastes
>>737440603Didn't Blizzard literally just take down a private server? Those private servers? The ones that the companies can just C&D at a whim?
>>737440572/v/ tried to warn him, all leftists are bootlicking faggots who love big corporations
>>737440610But capitalists support private property, and communists are against it
>>737432723>slap a label on a game saying that the servers are not guaranteed to last foreverIf they go this route they'd have to give a specific time frame iirc.
>>737431536> did you ever think it could be winning this insanelyI did expect it to win, atleast in EU. Did not expect all the calamity, and it winning so splendidly. Good job. Now, if only SKG would also apply retroactively (i miss BF2142).
In the end you will lose. Gamers are retarded.
>>737440671Even if you count that the "private server" its just a poorly made emulator. He's just retarded.
>>737440921>the shill shrieks as it loses control of another narrativeNo pennies for you Jeetpah, make another thread. You're working another ten hours unless you can turn a thread.
>>737431746>governIn a democracy the people chose the government.So are you saying you'd prefer>dictat?Nice bait tho
>>737437187It is ironic because the games get shut down due to lack of interest, so the people defending these games are practically nobodies. Residual losers who can't let go of a dead mmo because they wasted half their life on it. If normal people had to meet this person irl, they'd be disgusted and think tearing these games away would be a start to fixing their rotting lives. But thanks to the anonymity of the internet, these people can seem like a pitiable charity case. After all, if I couldn't see their greasy obsese bodies with piss bottles and trash in their rooms, I'd assume they were well-adjusted like me.
>>737440671>private content get C&D for being "stolen">corporations then ask the government to make private content illegalBut when people ask the government to force corporations to not take away your games, this is going too far.
>>737436149The crew was perfectly playable offline.
>>737433251A lot of cancers. But this one has a cure coming.
>>737441029Humans were made to live under a monarchy.
>>737441127>starve to death because King Retardo the 3rd goes to war against your neighbor for the nth time and take all your food
>>737441073random nobodies are exactly the sort of people that consumer rights should protect since they are nobodies and can't influence things themselves
>>737441185Too soon (were all set to starve in a year)
>>737441185Too bad, next time just don't be a retarded peasant.
>>737441249Fuck off im not paying so you get free shit
>>737436293>a dude living in a moldy apartament in a slav shithole complaining about vidya games turned out in a fucking european union assembly to present his case, with outstanding support>"n-no you accomplished nothing!">"this doesn't count!"lloving those corpo tears, keep'em comin :)
>>737441398Asmongold watcher
>>737431746They're not governing me because I'm not a sloppeddler hiring poogrammers to use Mumbai-tier frameworks to make my GaaSlop.
>>737437338They can't. That's why they argue dishonestly.
>>737431536me second from right
>>737441316free shit i paid for and gave the money to your corporate overlords
>>737440359I dare them. They will come kissing our feet, instead.
>>737432953>They going to use this as a "proof" we need digital ID,As opposed to corporation doing it, calling it "advertising ID", and using it in the manipulation of algorithms to suppress any gathering to regulate their power?Being anti-system will only weaken your ability to fight any other system. Good or Bad.
>>737435072Hello saars
>>737432763Twiggy, high-pitched ferret fucker with greasy long hair and 0 creative talent mogs the jacked, moldborn voice of Freeman who embraced his fucked up hairline and supervillain-stache?
>>737431652look at the ukraine, fuckloads of their infrastructure remains soviet made to this day, over three decades after the ussr fell. we can only dream of soviet build quality these days.
>>737442279It's more like lots of the stuff in the Soviet Union was Ukraine-made.
Love the muttoids proving the power of the EU.They are all setthing because they know if the EU passes regulation it becomes global Standard same as the USB C shannanigans.Same niggers that cry About goverment overeach are the same ones who cry about property and personal right while forgeting the goverment is pretty much the only reason those rights are secured
>>737431536>Be honest, when you first heard of SKG did you ever think it could be winning this insanely?Yes because Capcom proves that years ago with X-Dive
>>737442371it was made there, but it was mostly produced by the soviet mishmash and not ukrainian nationalists, those were a minority back then, and most people considered themselves just soviet.
>>737434767Wow, you are sure not being disingenuous here.More like:>buy recipe and cooking ustensils, can cook it anytime at your own leisure.>suddenly the seller come to take everything away and will attack you in justice if you try to replicate the recipe and cook it againThat's a most honest analogy
>>737442470I assume most of them are just funposters (or legit shills). Imagine being angry because things turn better for you.
>>737442470>Same niggers that cry About goverment overeachthose are pajeet shills, noone else. this is all an organized campaign
>>737431652You're not wrong: in a lot of things Soviet Eunion is fucking garbage. For a large part and in many functions my country is not sovereign at all anymore, which is similar to what CCCP did to the nations it forcibly embraced. Just replace Moscow and Kreml with Brussels and European Comission. EU's limp-wristed attitude for dangerous and disruptive peoples and ideas will be it's downfall if things continue.That said, in some ways it is doing the something right. Including in this case.
I love Ross
>>737435527>What now ?>stop buying from them>buy from game studio who let you set your own quality servers>don't require ads in game because you've got plenty of ethical funding method asking only as much as you need.>said game studio profit from never having to pay to pay for the serverYou know very well it has never been about forcing devs to "pay forever", only about "letting us keep what we bought".
>>737434075He has a shit load of auto filters and I think two mods still on his payroll. Wouldn't surprise me if he just went into sub only mode.
>>737442279It's really fucking standard everywhere that didn't develop in the last 30 years to use infrastructure from the 60s and 70sHere we sometimes use train routes from the 1800s Are you a Saudi by any chance?
>>737439743Sure, retard-anon lol
>>737435271>buy car >fine print clearly states seller has the right to take the car away from you someday for good reasons ruled by the laws>car is taken from you a year later for no good reasons>"WHAT THE FUUUCK MONEY STOLEN THIS IS ILLEGAL!!!! EU DO SOMETHING"SKG fixing your post
>>737434767>close restaurant due to retirement>have to sell the building instead of just tearing it down to the groundfuckkk thats so hard fuckk how are we going to survive
>>737442975>USSR>everybody wanted to leave>no food>EU>everybody wants to join>foodYeah totally the same.
>>737443304I don't remember claiming that they are identical in every aspect.
>>737443178let me put it that way - over here i dont see things made during the gdr that still look like things made during gdr days. meanwhile if you use google maps you can observe plenty clearly visible soviet elements.
>>737436149not the pointnever wasit doesn't matter if the game's online community is dying or dead. it doesn't matter if i'm the only retard in the whole world who still plays it. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU THINK I SHOULD NOT KEEP PLAYING ITi bought iti'll play it whenever i damn well please. alone, with friends, as the single dumbfuck in my own server, it makes no differenceyou do not have a saying on this
>>737431536>did I think good intentioned consimer rights advocates would be able to successfully advocate for regulations that are probably gonna bite everyone in the assYes. Yes I did.
>>737437187>This doesn't actually affect a single game worth playing, does it?>worth playingIf I bought the game, I get to decide that.
>>737440572Link?
>>737431697Absolutely hilarious!
I fucking hate USB C
>>737443464>It'll get bad, you'll see! I'm not sure how, but it'll get bad!
>>737435072>There's a reason none of your countries have invented anything for 300 yearsWow. That is SUCH good bait anon.Truly you are a master baiter.
>>737443464I'd love to see how it gets worse than "Companies can take the things they sell you away for any or no reason"
>>737443672Go back to your grave, Jobs, you died from ligma.
>>737435230>The EU doesn't have free speechThe DSA actually puts into law that online platforms aren't allowed to censor public speech where it affects voicing of opinion, freedom of expression, or plurality of news media.
You all know the California bill is meaningless right? The government is in the pocket of big business, the ESA can and will spend more on lobbying than you ever could. Even in the unlikely event California passed it, the supreme court will just rule it unconstitutional. There is no winning in the US, we're completely owned by corporate oligarchs.
>>737443672What if EU forced every tech company to use DisplayPort instead of HDMI?
>>737431536maybe i'd love to see hitman woa saved but they'll probably patch in full offline mode eventually. I don't see what's the big deal about this is, it's really not a huge issue.
>>737437338>How can you honestly argue against owning things you purchased?Oh dare you! Please think of their revenue!>>737437552>>dude just take future profits from others, its fineYes! I should be FORCED to buy their future games!!!!If I don't own what I purchased from them, I don't see why I would own the money used for future purchase.The world would be so much better if corpos just decided for us what we should buy.
>>737431697Seems like everyone hates this guy nowadays, how is he still around again?
>panicked corporate screechingLOVINGEVERYLAUGH
>>737443672Elaborate then
>>737431536>Be honest, when you first heard of SKG did you ever think it could be winning this insanely?no but I'm glad it seems to be doing well, hope it goes the distance
>>737432784Couldn't have been a huge loss, isn't his chat weirdly inactive anyway?
>>737437406>give government power against corporation, able to take it away as you want>vs>give corporations power against you, able to ignore government as they wantHard choice.
Complete SKG domination.
>>737444075So everything we own is USB 2 or 3Computers, old chargers, laptops, either buy a new adapter, laptop, or computer or fuck you!Most worthless change ever.
anyone else just come to these threads to get a kick out of anti-SKG fags posting retarded analogies only to get btfo with more accurate ones?
>>737435527The EU would bring up article 19 of the existing EU 2019/770 directive on sale of digital content.Any updates that go beyond what is strictly necessary to maintain conformance to contract of purchased content - i.e. the minimum needed to keep it compatible and running - are subject to article 19, which limits what those updates can do. Anything they change must be communicated well in advance, the changes them self may not lead to additional cost for the end-user, and most crucially: when such updates in any notable way impede access or use of the content (which includes things which make a video game substantially less enjoyable) you must be given the option to continue to use, while retaining full conformance to contract - i.e. with ALL functionality intact and working - the prior version of the content; **or** you have a legal right to terminate the contract at which point you are owed a full refund.And wrt the notion of 'strict necessity' - note that there is precedent and rulings from the EU court of justice that state profitability is NOT part of the definition. I.e. you cannot suddenly inject ads into a game and use the justification that it's necessary to keep the game profitable and keep the lights on.
>>737444075It was adopted poorly since all it has to do is support USB 2.0 and nothing else, that's a 25 year old standard and now there's a million different variants of usb-c cables. If USB-C was adopted to support at minimum TB3 spec it'd be a million times better.But now we're stuck with usb-crap forever.
>>737433004Isn't it strange that a guy who calls himself "pirate software" is sucking corporate cock? It may have something to do with a little known fact that only a few select know: he worked seven years at Blizzard.
FUCKING STOP ITWONT ANYONE THINK OF MY DAD, WHO WORKS AT BLIZZARD????
>>737432723There is a considerable chance they will amend copyright law to ensure that releasing a server host client for your game is not in any way considered forfeiture of copyright.With that excuse out of the way, they can very easily mandate that companies have to release such a client if they're shutting down their servers.
>>737437338No. But you can argue it *dis*-honestly.Just look at all these threads. QED.
>>737444298the fuck are you rambling about you dumb pajeet
>>737444418btw his bri'ish janny and personall ballwasher has cut ties with him, Jason is beyond felted lmfao
Thor status?
>>737444486HIS DAD WORKED AT BLIZZARD?!! THIS IS NEW DUDE IT CHANGES EVERYTHING.
>>737437748Probably a lot are plain trolls, but now that we live in the era of AI and botfarm, I have no doubt a corporation will gladly pay for the power to flood debates with pro-corpo opinion and silence majority voices against them.And while 4chan isn't really important anyone, it still exists in a memetic way and would be cheap to flood.
>>737435289>>737439223I cannot believe there's "people" that are invested in this shit.
>>737444583>flood debates with pro-corpo opinionthat's exactly what happens in EVERY skg thread. every single time.
Reminder for everybody to thank karl marx for creating stop killing games.
I heard that Ross is suicidal.
>>737444528Fucking retarded nigger shill you made galaxy switch from a real UNIVERSAL standard to this new age, barely implemented garbage
>>737444727thanks karlyou're alright sometimes
>>737431536Games are still shutting down so until this changes they haven't won
>>737439663DSA Article 28 on protecting minors against exposure to harmful content actually outlaws lootboxes for those under 18.The EU Commission is empowered to issue official guidance documents for how EU Regulations are supposed to be interpreted, and within reasonable bounds those are binding in the sense that the EU Court of Justice will respect the Commission's opinions.They wrote a guidance document back in autumn last year which surreptitiously dropped in a paragraph or two wrt online games, which outlawed game mechanics that used random rewards to drive commercial interactions (i.e. additional ingame purchases) or artificially boost engagement time (i.e. grinding). They also outlawed things like daily login rewards that pressure logging back in every day for sequentially improving bonuses. Which indirectly also outlawes battle passes.
>>737444746I don't like this postit's not true and he's said as muchyet here this anon is, saying this
>>737444749>UNIVERSAL standard tsuch as?
>>737439223That's how the youtube algorithm picks up your shit, if you make a honest thumbnail your content will be pushed down.
>>737437338friend you need to understand americans are the stupidest english speakers on the planet and getting progressively dumber. This has been engineered by their oligarch ruling cast that want to isolate america and send it into a new dark age where illiterate peasants life in filth to serve as the grist and oil for the machinery their ruling god-caste of billionaires. The corporation as an idea is father and god to them.
>>737444746Did you know that in Poland you can kill someone with a car and it's only an accident people go to jail for like a year or two? Haha ain't that crazy Jimbo.
>>737444863You're hallucinating, also guidelines aren't legally binding
>>737444978USB
>>737444583Time to add nigger to every post to immediately give away every bots.
>>737444746Why did Ross Scott, the video game preservation activist, talk about ending his life?
>>737437748What do they have to gain from shilling now? The decision is out of our hands, the votes are already counted. We can't influence it in any way now.
>>737444746Can't believe Ross just killed himself with 3 bullets in the back of the head while tied up to a chair just as the security footage turned off.
>>737435285>free tradeWhat does free trade have to do with anything? You're acting like that's existed in the last 150 years or something.
>>737445034Enough time for the victim's family to scrounge some cash to pay someone inside to shank you to death.
>>737431697We will get everything we wanted, and he will get everything he deserves.We will own things, and he will be unhappy.
>>737445090yeah that's what EU mandated, glad we're in agreement
>>737445363Durrrr everyone normal hates that shit>here's a wire that doesn't plug into anything!EU = Erratic Ukels
>>737431697>NOOOO IF SKG WINS, THEY'LL TAKE AWAY MY FERRETS!
>>737444746I heard he said he actually likes deserts now and wants to take a trip to one alone.
>>737444298Nigga you had that problem before USB C becoming the norm what the fuck is your point.
Rangeban India
>>737445456>>737445550I literally didn't stop fucking lying zoomie USB 1 2 and 3 were backwards compatible and phones came with a charger you could plug into the wall
>>737435480Corporate bootlickers aren't any better.We're really just arguing over the flavour now.
>>737438441It needs to happen on the European level or BIG TECH will just find a way to bribe local politician to ignore it locally.>Vendors need to be pressuredThen you need a stronger entity, not be the one pressured into accepting a purchase agreement.
You should be allowed to fuck animals
>>737445445what in the world are you babbling about? are you high or something?
Thorbros... Im getting nervous, Moldman keeps on winning
>>737432664Dude worked at blizzard
>>737445627how did USB-C prevent companies from putting chargers into boxes? educate the class anon.
>>737445729>Im getting nervousThat's just the mold working its way inside your body.
>>737434767>Buy a movie>The movie doesn't do that good>"Eh, kill it" t.publisher>Your movie stops working>Money lost
>>737445080>You're hallucinatingPDF: https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/dae/redirection/document/118226Section 6.6 on Commercial practices, article 69.(Yes; article 69. This shit is too bizarre to make up.)Specifically point i:> Ensure that children are not exposed to techniques which can have the effect of reducing transparency of economic transactions and may be misleading for minors, such as certain virtual currencies, and other tokens or coins, that can be exchanged with real money (or, where applicable, for the purchase of another virtual currency) and used to purchase virtual items, thus also cause unwanted spending.point k:> Ensure that minors are not exposed to practices that can lead to excessive or unwanted spending or overuse of the platform or compulsive or addictive behaviours, by ensuring that minors are not exposed to virtual items such as paid loot boxes, other products, where they offer random or unpredictable outcomes or gambling-like features, and by introducing separation or friction between content and the purchasing of related products.and point l:> Ensure that minors are not exposed to manipulative design techniques, such as scarcity, intermittent or random rewards, or persuasive design techniques, that can lead to excessive, impulsive or unwanted spending or addictive behaviours
>>737445713stop. lying.>>737445768It's universal :)) no need
>>737445834>actual schizobabble lmao
>>737443509https://youtu.be/36qDEeTDXNE?t=1h21m32sFound the timestamp too
>>737432510That was Leto, who has a thread on KF that's recommended reading for everyone that browses /v/. It helps explain why 4chan is so fucking shit now.
>>737445627>USB 1 2 and 3 were backwards compatible>but mini and micro USB weren'tBro no one ITT knows what the fuck you're sperging out over
>>737435706That fag lives for (you)s trying to bait at every threadWhen 4chan was down, at infinite/v/ the guy kept crying he wanted the site back at because he couldn't do this anywhere else
>>737445627>and phones came with a charger you could plug into the wallWhich was a pain in the ass to replace if it gets damaged after the phone was out of the market.Meanwhile with USB-C, it's literally interchangeable between phones.
>>737438735>See; EU lootbox regulations being completely ignoredAlmost no country set any rules for the reason that companies like EA are, in fact, laying low. Taking a more subtle approach to avoid triggering another Battlefield Casino 2 wave against them.https://www.dentons.com/en/insights/guides-reports-and-whitepapers/2023/june/28/loot-box-regulation-in-the-eu-loading-status
>>737441662Holy buzzwords
You all fuckign negroes will be very disappointed once you see the content of the bills. This will be full id verification or worse.Thor was right.
>>737445938Thanks. Funny that I thought Ross was basically prompting him to talk about layoffs and instead he answered that first and only thinks about it second.
>>737439179>No the fucking EU shouldn't be telling people how they should develop video gamesSo you want companies to be allowed to produce, scam, skinner box and create gambling addiction so long as they covered themselves with a paper you are forced to sign to hope to access the non-crap part of the product.
>>737445994Funny, James did the same in the drawthread and when called out on it he did his usual deny whining and FUD tactics spam, only to get utterly btfo by the boardowner going>dude, i can see your posting historyTurns out his bullshit only works here because our mods are uncaring shitters that could stop him easily but can't be assed to.
Why can't SKGfags understand that scammers have rights too?How will they survive if they're not allowed to swindle people out of their hard earned money?>mfw scammers are hurting right now
>>737446084That sucks. I won't be consuming the slop anyway, I'm just here to mess with corporate.
>>737431536>Petitioning career politicians for changeThis is going to be fucking hysterical. I can't wait.
>>737446381SCAMMERRIGHTSAREHUMANRIGHTS
>>737440116>Nintendo will rape your corpse or straight up stop selling in the EUNot my problem.Everyone would look at why this is happening, deduce Nintendo is wrong because it's some basic consumer rights that even a child would understand, and Jewtendo will desperately agree with private server to not reveal they are trying to keep the right to take it away from you.
>>737445976Go ahead, try and plug in a USB C to a USB 2 port
>>737444169>give government powerThey have the power already. You have just to redirect it against an entity framed as the enemy. The corporations in this case.
Every dissenting opinion I see regarding this effort is framed as though it will be the trojan horse to further establish id verification/surveillance state/personal political gain.How is that unique from any other form of political lobbying? Why are there preemptive celebrations for punishment in response to advocacy? This is unironically a slave mindset
>>737446448A scammer is talking, listen and learn
>>737446889>do nothing>get id checks, surveillance state and personal political gain anywayThey're retarded. If you're gonna get fucked, might as well get something out of it.
>>737440425You misread the post.He's hoping the slop peddlers try to pressure the EU population, only to realize they lose so much money they get hanged by their own investors.I can live without buying GaaS shit, always did. I'll just spend money on other stuff, more important, or just plain better game.They, however, need to keep the money flowing or they'll be fired.
>>737446889>Every dissenting opinion I see regarding this effort is framed as though it will be the trojan horse to further establish id verification/surveillance state/personal political gain.I didn't even know about this angle but I know the nanosecond you start pressuring a politician to do something it'll blow up in your face spectacularly. I guess its an age thing. Lil niggos don't know better yet.>How is that unique from any other form of political lobbying?Common man, really?
You can't just change laws to suit your whims. That isn't what government is for retards.
>>737447272But when corporations do it it's fine, right, mutt?
>>737447338>hurr durr bind me in chains
A DERK A JURRR
>>737442505Did they give a free copy to people who bought skins and shit?
>>737444418No, its super common for people who are intensely pro-system to pretend to be edgy outsiders.
>>737431536I knew that Europe would do something about it, that's literally what Europe is best at, consumer protection but i had no hope for the USA. I guess California might actually do something good for once.
>>737448209He used a live ferret as an onahole.
>>737435271And if the entire car industry started to do that so your options for buying a car you actually get to keep becomes seriously limited, then I would welcome the government coming in and telling the industry they're not allowed to do thatThat's what's going on with video games.Also, video games are works of art, they aren't interchangeable. Even if it wasn't a huge shift impacting most of the industry, even just a few games being always-online is still a problem because Call of Duty 17 or whatever isn't a replacement for Super Mario: Cat Litter Quest. Those are unique experiences so "buy something else instead" doesn't cut it
>>737431536what ross thinks will happen:you will own live service games and the companies will hand over their server binaries when game dieswhat will actually happen: when you sunset a game you have to sign 50 documents to make sure its skg compliant and if you don't you pay a very marginal fine to the EU
>>737448209It's retarded. The TL;DR is that after Pirate became a laughing stock, people started making fun of him and recently a streamer called impheetus did an impression of him as a bit that rustled him. His head mod, Khronos, went to talk to the streamer about it without asking Pirate and apparently that further rustled him to the point of crashing out and calling the mod a parasite before firing him. His head mod was well liked so a number of other mods who hated working for Pirate also jumped ship and are leaking things about him inadvertently. It's very funny.
>>737448683what anon thinks will happen: if you don't you pay a very marginal fine to the EUwhat will actually happen: pic related
>>737448886you cant legally fine a company an extreme amount of money2b is bullshit compared to the number of offences google committed, the russian fine was more on par with what it should have actually been
>>737446889if you want an equally unhinged dissenting opinion mine is this is literally IP theft and communist in nature>game dev releases game>government says oh actually you need to give us your server binary because its the law>game dev hands over their own intellectual property so the government can give it out to the public>game dev can't choose to sunset their own game, it has to be playable forever in the EUits theft, plain and simple.for ownership:>in the past, companies would sell their live services as subscriptions. they had a clear end date and the game may not have been playable past the end of service>skg is fine with that>arenanet comes out and releases guild wars 2 for 60 dollars, and says instead of paying us 15 dollars a month, you pay us once and you get to play as long as the servers are up>skg is not fine with that, they think you actually own the rights to the servers when you paid the entry feethe vast majority of skg is hevily misguided and historically illiteratethe parts i do agree with are keeping single player games playable and having a requirement that you give reasonable warning you're going to sunset a game, but realistically this is just going to be money in the EU's pocket and nothing for gamers will change
>>737448973>nooooo exorbitant amounts are only okay when america does it!!11It's only detrimental if it actually hurts, and that only happens if the fine is based on global revenue. If it's a fixed amount it will just be considered a business expense, if it's calculated on profits they'll use tax feints to reduce it to naught.
>>737449507>I farted and now we're all gonna smell it.
>>737449557yeah did u not get the part where 2b is a business expense to google, but 2b to a gaming company would likely bankrupt them, so you won't see fines that high from an skg violation?
>>737437552Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill.
>>737449428IP law is communism to begin with, it is a state enforced monopoly on a given idea or set of ideas.If you're actually anti communism and pro free market, then you should be against IP protections to begin with and SKG shouldn't be an issue.Also>government says oh actually you need to give us your server binary because its the lawSKG doesn't necessarily require this. It's an option to comply, but there are others which don't require giving up anything the initial release of the game didn't.
>>737449858you really shouldn't reply to anyone who talks about server binaries, its been debunked billions of tines already
>>737449923But about the servers that identify as non-binary? Checkmate SKGfags!
>>737449858>making a video game and having a copyright on it is communism actuallylol. lmao even
>>737449858What's communism?
>>737449858Ranjeet reset your LLM, its hallucinating again.
>>737431652>>737431746>PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY PURCHASES AND FUCK ME IN THE ASS!!!
>>737449428IP law is communism to begin with, it is a state enforced monopoly on a given idea or set of ideas. If you're actually anti communism and pro free market, then you should be against IP protections to begin with and SKG shouldn't be an issue. Also, even if we disregard that, the original purpose of Copyright was to foster innovation and to further the public good, not to protect the interests of authors: (see the US consitution: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.") Giving authors a limited time exclusive monopoly on their ideas is merely a MECHANISM to encourage the creation of new works which eventually pass into the public domain. If you as the IP holder decide to delist the game and sunset support for it, then you're already abandoning any profit incentive over the work, so why should you continue to have a say over what happens to it?Especially since, as I established, IP protection is merely a temporary exclusivity period you get as a incentive to get authors to create new works that will eventually pass into the Public Domain: Your rights to your ideas is supposed to be temporary, and they are supposed to eventually become public domain. If you can shut the game down and prevent people from ever playing it again then you've circumvented that part of the IP law process where it's supposed to eventually become PD since it will never remain playableSKG is really just ensuring that works eventually can become Public Domain as intended, from an IP law perspective.Also>government says oh actually you need to give us your server binary because its the lawSKG doesn't necessarily require this. It's an option to comply, but there are others which don't require giving up anything the initial release of the game didn't.
>>737450275>im circumventing IP law by... deleting it and not making any more money on itdo you know how fucking retarded you sound>im against ip lawcompletely deranged
>IP law is communismWhy are you retards replying to this?
>>737431536>Be honest, when you first heard of SKG did you ever think it could be winning this insanely?desu I 100% expected Ross's balding hair and unkempt looks to be used to shoot it down via ad hominem. In the EU country I live in that tends to be the first thing all these "look at me I'm so smart I'm a politician in a suit" types target when challenged to do something.
>>737448886>>737448973>>737449557>>737449628>According to the 2006 Guidelines on Fines, undertaking’s starting point for the fine is a percentage of the company’s annual sales of the product or service concerned by the infringement.>This percentage of the value of relevant sales is up to 30% and determined according to the gravity of the infringements (so-called "gravity percentage).The only reason they can't fine more is because the current US administration is working with BIG TECH to protect their shitty practices. Because if the EU set a new standard, the US population would risk wanting the same.
>>737450707ya like i said this is a business expense and skg only serves to enrich lawyers, not help consumers
>>737450492>>737450421>government enforcing thingsCommunism.
>>737449858>>737450275Whoops, didn't realize that the first version actually went through and got posted.>>737449975>>737450492>>737450421I'm not actually against IP law, obviously it serves an important purpose (it's just modern IP law has completely shifted away from that purpose and is now detrimental to the very thing it was invented to do). I'm just comparing it to communism because morons are claiming SKG is communism, and considering that (as I said) Copyright is quite literally a government enforced monopoly on a given idea or a set of ideas that prevents competition, there's far more an argument for THAT being communism then what SKG is trying to do.But I stress that, as I said in >>737450275, that the original purpose of IP law, at least in the US, is to encourage the creation of new works, not to protect the interests of creators. I'm not anti intellectual property law, when the laws are actually designed to foster the creation of new works and to enrich the Public Domain, as intended. I am against IP laws that just exist to keep works under the thumb of IP holders for entire fucking human lifetimes and even when the work has already become abandonware nobody can buy or use anyways, since that does nothing to foster the creation of new works and doesn't even really help the original author profit.Again, if the game is being delisted and taken offline anyways, then the IP holder doesn't actually have any lost sales to worry about because they voluntary gave up on selling the game, and in order for the game to actually become public domain in the long run, it needs to remain playable in some form. SKG is entirely consistent with that original purpose of IP law as defined by the US constitution. Also I assure you that I have a better understanding of IP law then you do, I read articles in law journals on the topic and keep up with IP law developments and major cases.
>>737450780Okay, then make companies pay fines into perpetuity. I'm fine with that.
>>737450925>government protects your rights as a copyright holdercommunism>government taking your server binaries by force and redistributing them to the proletariat- i mean gamersomg free market!
>>737451060>implying the system used even matters when the people, they are retared
>>737450997>Also I assure you that I have a better understanding of IP law then you do, I read articles in law journals on the topic and keep up with IP law developments and major cases.reddit lawyer in the house, maybe you should read up on what communism is before u speak though
>>737431998>games that contain NIGGERS will not be preserved.so GTA San Andreas
>>737450997anyways it sounds like youve never heard of a good or service before which is a basic component of both communism and capitalisma live service game is not a good to be bought and sold, its a service provided (hence the name)the client can go into the public domain all it wants and you can datamine all the assets you wantbut the service can be sunset same as any service that has ever existed. this doesn't apply just to games, your bank can sunset their backend and make a new one and you shouldn't expect their code to end up in the public domain
>>737451401racism: nakedvs racism: tender
>>737451518>a live service game is not a good to be bought and sold, its a service provided (hence the name)The problem with this is that customers are not made aware that the service provided can end at any time the provider wishes, which in some cases has happened just weeks after a customer paid for such a service.And then there's also the whole "destruction of culture" argument.
>>737451060They're both communism, because the government is doing things. The more things the government does, the more communism. The only free market is when we all live within corporate feudal lands.
>>737451986thats why i said in my first post im fine with label on the box that says HEY U FUCKING RETARD THIS IS AN ONLINE GAME SO IT WILL EVENTUALLY SHUT DOWNi was actually kind of shocked the number of people who said that wasnt clear when its literally in the tos you signed when you clicked play
>>737451987Based lolbertarian
>>737452098>please read this 500000 pages ToS to find out at page 495751 that you're not actually buying a game>repeat for every single game you buyImagine if we applied the same bullshit to everything
>>737452098Not "Eventually", they have to give a date. They have to say "This will expire at XX/XX/XXXX"
>>737452208ya im fine with that too and btw i dont think any game hasn't done thatif you can name 1 (one) game that just died one day and the company said oh sorry we forgot to tell you until we did it teehee then i'll say it needs to be regulatedsigning your death on release isn't even in the scope of skg so don't try to argue that's what you meant, because if it was you're just making shit up
>>737452098>Tos saying I can scam you makes it moral to scam you.
