>But it's a matter of public record that Obsidian wasn't brought on for further projects—which, according to writer on the game and prolific videogame narrative guy Chris Avellone, was something Bethesda really hammered home.>And while TKs-Mantis tries to brush these concerns aside, Avellone insists that "when it comes to sales and reviews it matters—and also Bethesda used review scores against us for the DLCs for, like, why they didn't want to keep doing things with us anyway. Even though they didn't wanna keep doing things with us anyway. So whatever.">According to Avellone, Bethesda raked Obsidian over the coals with slides."It was fun, it was fun—they had a whole powerpoint. Not even about the DLC, they had a whole powerpoint about all the things Obsidian did wrong, and we were like 'wow!' and they showed it to us. And we were like… 'okay'. This is hugely morale-boosting.">He continues: "I thought we [made] a good product for you guys that kept Fallout in the public consciousness, but you guys don't seem very happy about it despite the fact you reaped a lot of the rewards for it."Will the cringe PowerPoint slides ever see the light of day? I wonder what were in those slides; perhaps a complaint about the lack of diversity or how the game was just too complex for the normies to understand? That it didn't handhold the player like modern game studios do today? I doubt it was about the bugs; you don't throw stones in glass houses.
>>737435793Okay
>>737435793>#1: You made the game fun
Interplay fallout still mogs cuckthesda.
Bethesda probably had surface-level complaints; eg the map is a big fat empty desert with no interesting areas besides NV itselfwhich frankly isn't unfair criticism
>>737435793New Vegas is far better than Fuckoff 3 and Fagout 4, this is nothing new
>>737435793>new vegas>too complex for the normies to understandkek it's the same casual bullshit that bethesda makes with 24/7 waypoints. even the skill checks are 100% telegraphed and even more dumbed down than fallout 3's
What is more like>Bethesda is run by complete and utter retards that stumble their way to success because the general public is alos retarded and avoid of standards or expectationsor>Bethesda knows exactly what its doing, they know their audience is made up of brain dead mongoloids who will eat up anything attached to their favorite IPs and cant stop laughing how just by offering utter shit they get to make millions upone millios
Bugs probably were a big part of it. And that goodsprings and the opening act are "boring". You don't get any big spectacle until Nipton. Takes too long to reach New Vegas if you take the normal route.
Good video games happen in spite of large corporations, not because of them
>>737435981>he map is a big fat empty desert with no interesting areas besides NV itselfSomeone didnt even play the game their complaining about.
>>737435793lol it amazes me people still wank obsidian after all the garbage they've made.
>>737436027Bethesda scared away their talent and now can't dev for shit is the answer
>>737435793Bethesda probably didn't like that the writing, faction conflicts, and interconnected plot points were interesting. They probably criticized Obsidian for not giving the player power armor 15 minutes into the game too.
>>737435793Its Obsidian's own fault for being greedy and downplaying the animosity from Bethesda themselves hoping to work with them again. How many fucking years were the rumors circulating and all they did was insist 'nah bra its all good, we and Todd are tight?' Its almost cowardly, no wonder Obsidian died ingloriously in a fit of wet flatulence.
>>737436089
>>737436089Yes, you
>>737436098Kind of amazes me that Todd has been dropped on his head so many times that he thinks fallout is about big bang theory meets the simpsons and can’t wrap in little biggie around the reality that it’s about the rise and rebuilding of him it after the pot apocalypse is over
>>737436089like half of the locations are tiny sheds and corner stores. you can probably count on 1 hand the amount of dungeons in the game
>>737436456>Opened Strait of HormuzLol
>>737436190SOUL.
>>737436456Don't reply to me with that filthy orange retard.
>>737435981And it’s leagues ahead of what Bethesda >but muh shitty metro that is just garbage make sit be—No cumstain you have no argument
>>7374361903-4 points of interest just in your image alone ranging from plot, side plot and item scavenging types of points of interest
>>737436780True new Vegas does have better gameplay
>>737435793Fun fact; the fucker on zenimax's board that ordered this was trump's brother.
>>737437249WTF
Fallout 3 is better than NV anyways.
>>737436071WAAAOOOOOOO
>>737436027Both. Execs and probably Todd are the latter, the writing team and Emil are the former.
>>737435793Todd is such a massive faggot. He was working on his own post apocalyptic IP until he saw Fallout IP for sale, he outbid Troika and then turned the franchise into shit. Imagine a timeline where Troika got the IP, Toddy went through with his garbage Wasteland Fallout knockoff, and Fallout 3 was made by Troika and was fully kino.
>>737436027If it was the second one, they'd be doing the Bobby Kotick special and releasing games every year with a steady inflow of cash. Instead they're barely releasing anything and they're the laughing stock of the internet.
>>737436060>And that goodsprings and the opening act are "boring".>World :C>World, dragon and explosion in the first 5 minutes :O
New Vegas fucking sucks
>>737437249Sauce?
>>737439775Fallout 3 is dogshit
New Vegas is Fallout 3's DLC.
>>737435793>RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE WE DIDN'T FULFILL OUR CONTRACT WE GOT LESS METACRITIC SCORE THAN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO AND WE DIDN'T GET THE BONUS! WE DIDN'T FULFILL THE CONTRACT WE WILLINGLY ENTERED INTO WHAT THE FUCK WHY DIDN'T THEY PAY US WHAT WE'RE FUCKING WORTH?? THIS IS EVIL! THIS IS NOT FAIR! I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF!obsidiantroons are pathetic
>>737442415>Bethesda is so fucking dumb that they actually take Metacritic scores seriously>fast forward 15 years and they're twisting New Vegas into their shitty nonsensical canon in order to appeal to Fallout fans (the Fagout Amazon series)
>>737435793>makes a powerpoint to help you understand how to improveNAW FOOK DAT SHIEEEET DAS LIEK RAYCISThis is why dei was a mistake
>>737435981It's Nevada what did they expect?
>>737435793Damn I... kinda don't care.
>>737435981DURRRRRRRRRR
>>737435793>Sits the team down to show them all the mistakes they made>They turn around and make The Outer WorldsShould've slapped them too.
>>737435793Not surprised at all. Bethesda (Todd) are so butthurt by being outdone by another studio, that they are willing to be vindictive and petty while putting on a Todd face. Its called jealousy.
I'd just like to make something clear. It was me: I did it. I'm the one who made the New Vegas = tranny link diamond solid on /v/. I am the reason you will never get to have comfy threads ever again, why your blood pressure will constantly rise whenever you see a random post associating the game with troons. It was me and I regret none of it.
>>737436060Bugs are understandable given the time frame.The build up to bigger spectacles makes sense when you're literally in the desert. Besides, you can get yourself blown up by powder gangers really quickly.
>>737435793FNV is peak because I can gamble at a casino, then rob them when I lose. Bugthesda jeets could never write such kino
>>737435793>no microtrnasactions >no monetized mods>no voiced protagonist >players actually enjoyed it>set standards Bethesda could never follow>proved anyone can make these kinds of games>proved it could be done better>endings were actually different >ending wasnt total dog shit like fo3Something like this. Or it was completely faggot shit where they mocked them for having the same glitches that fo3 had before they released skyrim in a completely unplayable state. Obsidian is dead and just makes pozzed bullshit but kotor 2 was pretty good. Chris is a good writer, thats all they ever had.
>>737442415>jeetout 3 metacritic score: 93>fallout nv metacritic score: 84It's not fair.
>one of the largest studios contracts you to produce a game in a certain time frame, with bonuses contingent on achieving certain goals>sign contract and make game>devs don't complete everything as planned so some areas are left unfinished>numerous bugs on release >reviewers justifiably give your game a lower score>contracting company then has a meeting with you explaining specific points on what went wrong, and why they won't give you a bonus>chimp out 15 years laternew vegas is a good game but lets not pretend this wasn't just a normal business decision. Also lets be honest there's a reason we only hear people praising fnv as a good game, but no one mentions outer worlds or avowed.
>>737435793>get people to make new entry in long standing RPG series>shit on them when they make good RPGAre self published and indies the only hope for the RPG genre? The modern gaming is cursed but it feels like RPGs are especially cursed because they either can't deliver on being responsive to player actions or don't care for the initial conditions (race, alignment etc) or are pozzed wokeslop or all of above.
>>737435793Still worse than F4 desu>reminder that overboss nate "the rake" higgers is canon
>>737436018You say this but have to be spoonfed about the game whenever you try to talk about it. And then agrily reduce every aspect to cope with having to be spoonfed.
>>737445690we're living in a golden age for indie crpgs right nowthough if you consider new vegas to be a good rpg, they might not be for you
>>737445815post said CRPGsgive me 3 examples of these CRPGs from last few years
>>737436018>UHM ACK-TUALLY THEYRE THE SAME THEY BOTH HAVE PEOPLE IN THEM CHECKMATE CHUDDERINOS
>>737436027I wouldn't even call Bethesda stumbling onto success Most of their games are dogshit 1/10 slop but they get a massive pass from people for some reason. Like Daggerfall is terrible but yet you have people ready to bat for it's boring dungeons in essays.I don't get it desu
>>737436071>v goes to pool party.webm
>>737436027Half of one, half of the other.Its a combination of complacency brought on by having a horde of brainless fans AND that complacecy having bred massive incompetence into the company. At least for the Bethesda of today.
>>737435793the powerpoint of things bethesda did wrong would have been 30x as long
>>737445889space wreck is the most recent one that I really enjoyed. very reactive gameplay to your build/gearknights of the chalice 2 is the best dnd one i've played (finished but still being updated)age of decadence is one of the best when it comes to choices and consequenceshonoroable mention for fallout sonora, which is a mod but also the best fallout game out there
>>737445809i think you are on the wrong website if you want to attack my post history instead of replying to what i said>>737445928who are you quoting?
>>737445815New vegas is a perfectly fine crpg. It's still probably the most approachable one being a fps that actually feels like a RPG instead of a fps with token RPG stats tacked on. Which is rare. No need to be so extreme even if you dislike aspects it's still a perfectly fine game that deserves the fanfare it receivesT. Massive crpg fan with both fallout 1 and bg2 in my 3x3 As for Indies? Name a single one better than New Vegas>Age of decadence>Atom RPG>UndertailLol no wake me up when the new blood fallout inspired one comes out
>studio behind """Fallout""" 4 and Slopfield talking shit about literally anythingThey actually think they're making good games, don't they?
>>737435793Can we SEE the power point?
>>737445958bethesda's whole schtick was releasing obvious pre-alpha builds and modding tools that could be used by programmers to fix all the bugs (for practice) and then make their own content, which would make them famous on social media if they turned out to be good enough (see: Caliente, Fore, etc.)then Fore shit the bed by adding a virus to his mod that would wipe your HD if it detected any non-Nexus mod sites in your web browser history, and suddenly lawyers got involved, which always fucks everything up
>>737446479Lol true the only half way decent games Bethesda has ever made was Morrowind Skyrim and fallout 3. I don't even mean good games, I mean just passable >What about oblivion HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAnd fallout 3 is boring but least it has some strong athmopshere when you have the radio off and some memorable bits
>>737446551No >>737446579Moo
>>737446601>hates Oblivion>likes Fallout 3Oblivion and Fallout 3 have always been famously compared to one another but I think Oblivion is legitimately better.
>>737446985Fallout 3 is not great, I never even hit level 20 because I got bored so idk why they even bothered to increase the level cap. but when the radio is off and your wondering around it has its moments.The only memorable bits of oblivion is how ugly and dogshit it was, other than that it was decades behind gothic 2 in gameplay/character and even art. i don't get why people actually liked it desu even it's famous brotherhood quest gets way too much dick sucking for what's actually in it.Like people give todd a handjob because they bothered to record a couple of extra voice lines but pull out the magnifying glass on minor elements for any other game.It's impressive Bethesda managed to convince enough people to lap up the bare minimum
>>737446985>but I think Oblivion is legitimately better.it's closer to being an actual RPG, despite being the inventor of both the quest marker leading you around by the nose, AND being an errand-boy for the actual main character who's allowed to impact the plot in any significant way.
Bethesda has never written a single good main quest. It should be the driving force of the world and story. It is the part of the game with the most handcrafted and varied gameplay with bosses and big dungeonsEven Morrowinds main quest is bad, Idk how YouTubers can larp otherwise.Yeah it was cool and freeing at the start but the 2nd half boils down to stumbling around in samey government buildings to ask people off a list to be like "yeah sure I'll name you nerevar" or "ahhh I will but please do this busy work terrible segment first ahhhh" People did actually finish New Vegas, it's why we even see the discussion of factions so much.Nobody finishes a Bethesda game, you just dick around with your brain off until you just kinda quit.
>>737435793>NOOO MY GOYSLOP IS BETTER THAN YOUR GOYSLOP BECAUSE ITS LE OLDER!>REEE NEW GOYSLOP GOOD OLD GOYSLOP BAD!faggout fans never cease to amaze me
>>737447545>People did actually finish New Vegas, it's why we even see the discussion of factions so muchThis guy gets it, the only time I see "people" talking about toddslop is when they're shitting on games that are actually good like 1, 2, and NV. There's literally nothing to talk about with F3/4/76, they're the most generic games ever made easily
>>737447732t trannykys faggot
>be obsidian>be so incompetent you have to split the strip and freeside into something like six maps, cut content to fit a memory budget after adding dlc, generally fill the game with more bugs and errors than any Bethesda game>get a review post-release discussing the issues >BEAR BULL BULL BEAR guy does a shitty interview to complain about it 16 years later>/v/eddit slurps the slop right up
>>737444883Obsidian should have made a 93 gameCurious
>>737449356>>737449358low caste faggot tranny game loltodd howard is high caste chad get over it troon LOL
>>737435793>Will the cringe PowerPoint slides ever see the light of day?I want to see it so fucking bad, imagine being Todd and Emil in 2011 giving lectures about how Obsidian fucked up your IP only for a few years later their game become a cult classic while yours get reevaluated as bad. No wonder Todd is so assblasted by New Vegas.
>>737439775Fallout 3 is extremely infantile and not in a fun way; Same with Oblivion, Skyrim and Fallout 4. Todd is a hack and Pagliarulo sucks ass.
>>737435793powerpoint is just a shared language for fallout devs. you become fluent after putting them at the end of your game
>>737436027They wouldn't be so smug about Saarfield if they were self aware, imagine hiring a intern to respond to negative steam reviews saying the people who posted the review are enjoying the game wrong and comparing their shitty space game to the moon landing. These retards are straight up delusional.
>>737447865cry moar your games fucking suck ass. Bugthestard is seriously so fucking uninspired and creatively bankrupt that for Fallout 4 they just did the same god damn premise but flipped it around (Fallout 3 has Vault 101 and a child looking for their father while Fallout 4 has Vault 111 and a parent looking for their child). BORING
>>737450889>>737450486>>737450476>>737450420>>737450234please fuck off paki faggots
>>737451119>specifically against pakis>defending bethesdalmao, are you actually indian?
>>737451220found the jew vegas tranny kek
>>737451342>doesn't denygood morning, saar
>>737435793>if your game doesn't score 85% or higher, no bonus for you>scored 84%with now biased and rigged scores are these days, I have little doubt todd paid the reviewer off
>>737436190>takes picture of distant LOD models>Yeah that'll show him!!!
>>737435793>Chris going full scorched earth on Todd and co because he doesn't give a fuck anymoreBased
>>737435793But Besthesda is unironically right. Avowed fucking sucks bals.
>>737454287Do not disrespect me.....
>>737436060>goodsprings and the opening act are "boring"lol is this a joke? Compare nv's opening sequence to 3's 30 min vault snoozefest or 4's opening sequence which was even longer and with more forced walking sequences and cutscenes
>>737435793So this guy's proof is...?
>>737435793/v/ is a Fallout 3 boardGo back faggot
Fallout 1 is the only good game in this series. Everything else feels like fan fiction
>>737446579When did fore release a virus? I can't find anything about that online
>>737439775brown
NV was published by Bethesda you mongoloids
>>737435981I can see this being the case. Bethesda's whole thing is making open worlds that are homogenous, with "content" randomly shat around the map with little rhyme or reason. They want a player to spin a wheel, pick a random direction to wander, and find some bullshit to do.God forbid a game have a map with a logical layout and actual progression
>>737455967>a big U with scripted events and everything outside of that being one-and-done nothingburgers>good design
>>737435793>I thought we [made] a good productwhat the fuck is that [ ] for? who talks like this?did he say "I thought we a good product" and someone added (made) because he can't speak english?
>>737456063yes
>>737456990>>737456906>>737456063>>737455967You don't stop spamming do are you? Like I said fuck off back to Pakistan>>737451383Says the tranny NV faggot
>>737456906it's to fix mistakes and make transcripts more readablehe actually says we "did" a good project
>>737435793Is it Bethesda the publisher or Bethesda the developer because they're both very different things that shared the same name and I'm willing to bet a lot of the outrage is based upon Bethesda the publisher.
>>737457259Sperging out over nothing won't make you white, jeet.
>>737459065Todd won, troons lost, ACK yourself already
>>737445796>nate "the rake" higgers is canonI love nv more than f4, but this shit is still funny as hell.
>>737436027Bit of both, really. Every year I am more and more convinced Morrowind was a lucky accident. But there is no excusing Skyrim being as popular as it is.
they're probably right too, NV is overrated garbage
>>737445796the retarded show had a laser musket and a short bit of minutemen radio, which means nate "one man klan" higgers has canonically enslaved his settlers to farm tatosEmil sama, I KNEEL!
>>737446203So you admit that whenever you try to discuss the game you just devolve into reductionist bullshit.
>>737460543schizoposting retard, meds now
Can you at least try to click the right posts to reply to, you false flagging faggot?
>>737435935I 100% agree with you.Sort of like how Metro is heavily influenced by Ukraine, Fallout is always supposed to be influenced by California (ESPECIALLY SoCal, not only because of Interplay/Black Isle's location, or that being the setting of F1 and 2, but several cultural things, you can make the case that the Vaults are sort of like an allegory for richer, privileged areas in the state shoving their heads so far into the fucking sand to the point where they don't realize how shit things really are for the average person until it's too late.)Ever since Bethesda took over, they stripped that kind of special cultural influence away. Even if they try to go back to the west coast with stuff like the show, that special cultural touch from the people at Interplay and Black Isle who not only actually lived in the area, but also born and raised there is still completely fucking lost.
>>737435793> Successful studio tries to teach struggling studio how to improve.Big mistake trying to help Obsidian. They have bit just about every hand that has fed them.There is a reason it took over two decades before somebody worked with Obsidian twice.
Obsidiots still milking over that one game they made and are still crying foul even when they're both under the same corporation.I want Bethesda to make their own west coast Fallout to stamp out all of these Obsidiots and their literal faggot homo dev once and for all.
>>737460904>>737460928trying a little too hard saar
>>737460969found the tranny :^)
Gotta love that this fucking thread and op are the same fucking 10 individuals from /r/fnv discord, always raiding /v/ every single time with the mods doing nothing because the mods are too spineless to give them and shartrannies the 2 week special for breaking the flamewar rule.But then this is the same board that lets blizzdrones spam the entire catalog with porn to shill their garbage games, or skyrimfags posting the same shit too instead of staying at /vg/ alongside the fo4 and nvfags.
retard jeets like >>737460928 who relentlessly seethe over NV were not on this board in the past. What happened exactly? Why are they here now? They never actually talk about quality, all they do is act vindictive over this game that happens to be more well written and thought out over the others.
>>737460969Where was I wrong. Every time they fucked up they blamed the publisher.They are known for avoiding accountability like the plague.The amazing thing isn't nobody worked with them twice. The amazing thing is working with them the first time.
>>737461114They used to just post ESL shit praising FO3 with shitty chad edits, but now they can't even put in that kind of effort.
>>737461114kys obsidiot troon, you lost get over it faggot>>737461038>>737461148trvke
>>737446579Luv me Bijin barbies
>>737461190NV is for faggots, don't need to post images when everyone already knows that kek
I find it funny that fallout 3 ended up getting a more up to date Script Extender than xNVSE and with better QoL and Backwards support.
>>737435793They made the game talkslop instead of explorationludo. They deserved a reprimand and eternal humiliation.
>>737446579fallout gooner gallery for my fellow goons'https://imgur.com/gallery/RoS7nY6
>>737436190You see, it may look like an empty desert but really there's... an ineffable presence that is hiding just behind that rock!
>the well of "i-i-its bethesda's fault obsidian hasn't made a good game since NV!" has been drying up>fag makes a random claim with zero proof
>>737435793Obsidian made a better game than Bethesda and Bethesda sperg baby raged about it. That's all I'm seeing. Everything Beth has made since Morrowind has been shit.
>>737442415its funny because for years we have multiple obsidian staffers flat out saying the reviewscore shit was just a bonus they agreed to, and that bethesda was happy and supportive of new vegas
>>737461575Morrowind?Sure is hipster in here.Lemme guess "Something something worldbuilding." " You wouldn't get it."Fuck all the way off.
>>737461575>>737461614NV is literally troonslop, you arent fooling anyone shitskin p*kiF3 aryan chads have always been on top, get over it already
I can already imagine the meeting >Todd is sitting in his highchair at his desk, kicking his feet as he waves avacuck in >"chris glad you could make it, I loved new vegas, shame about the deadlines and the bugs, but mods and patches will fix those.">avalone mumbles something as he seethes because he isn't being praised >"Shame about the bonus for the review scores, but again, thems the brakes, we agreed on that. About the ending of the DLCs though... what is this crap about 'tunnelers killing everyone' and the fallout setting ending?" >"whatdoyoumean? its my game I can make the ending whatever I want right?" >"Yeah, but we plan to do more with fallout. We aren't going to end the franchise with New Vegas." >"But I created fallout! I can end it how I want to!">"That.... isn't true at all Chris-">"NONONONONONO! I MADE FALLOUT ITS MINE TUNNELERS KILL EVERYONE FUCK YOU!">"I'm not laughing now, Chris, get out of my office before I call security."
>>737446068Well if someday obisidian is in charge and isn't Bethesda's bitch, they'll get their chance to make a slide show, but that's just not how things are.
I'll simply drop this old gem here.
>>737462664>NOOO SAAR STOP CALLING MXE OUT YOU TRANSPHOBE BIGOT REEE!!!ywnbaw
>>737462878>projecting this hard
>>737461575Even in that video Avellone admitted that they messed up when it came to the world map and that Bethesda's level designers completely outmatched them. That was the whole purpose of the tunnelers in Old World Blues. If they were ever given a chance to do another one they'd completely reshape the terrain in a way that was convenient for performance.
>>737435793They mentioned the contents in another interview: Obsidian said that they could hit a stable 30 fps in New Vegas, and Bethesda informed them that it was not possible for the FO3 Creation Engine to do that.
>>737460632>retard outs himself>this is pointed out>cries schizo to cope You faggots always do this whenever you fail. Is it that ever is crazy or you’re just retarded?
>>737436071>have to drain and sweep entire pool because of a mongoloid great i didn't want to swim at the pool party anyway
>>737462381Why do bethestoddlers need to always make up the most pathetic scenarios just to justify their seething?
>>737436071Kek
>>737462971>>737464464>>737464148>>737464145not beating the allegations troon, just ack yourself already botslopposting obsidiot
>>737464707>makes up entire fan fiction about encounter between two people>gets mocked for it>y-youre a trannyIronic given troons are the kinds of people that show this sort of unhinged pathological behavior whenever they can’t get their way.
>>737464868>GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK I LOVE SHITTY GAMES THANK YOU OBSIDION!!!faggot troon
>>737436190>Try to evoke the feeling of a desolate waste>DURR DERS NUTHIN TA DO HEREPic related may be more your speed.
>obsidicuck sees a post making fun of todd the gnome and terminal bitchboy chris avalone >seethes because of this
>>737464707I am not even a obsidiot you faglord
I really hope that Fallout 3 modding becomes independent of TTW after the most recent events.
>>737435981>Creates a narrative in his head and then criticizes the people for saying itSchizo please
>>737436027First one, Starfield is proof.
>>737465232cool opinion retard
>>737454490He knows Bethesda is dead and doomed to mediocrity after the Microsoft buyout, it's not like they'll ever make another good game or let anyone make them a good game again.
>>737466638>>737466481>>737466462>>737466069>>737465898>NOOO US OBSIDIOONERS ARE WHITE PLS TRUST SAAR BETHESDA WILL FALL IN 2 WEEKS SAAR!!!obisidiots sure are weird desu
>>737466696This post is extremely low quality.
>>737466830>paki spammer still hasn't shown why troon vegas is a good gameSAD!
