genuinely, what's the plan here?
>>737446517They have to throw ideas and devs at the wall to get more players into it. It's definitely not garnering enough attention so they've brought over devs to add more things to it. My guess is they'll keep trying new updates with different game modes to get people interested. It likely won't work.
>>737446517it's better than halo at least
>>737446517Just like when someone troons out I think the gameplan is to get some attention before you kill yourself
>>737446517>genuinely, what's the plan here?supporting the top 6 best selling 2026 game with an established paying playerbase and potential
>>737446605I too really love robots who you can tell are black and gay or trannies even though they are robots. Master Chief was so borrrrrrring!
>>737446763Still lying on 4chan Travis?
>>737446797Which of the robots are gay or trans in your mind
>>737446517I love that whenever the modern gayming industry has a terrible idea that fails espectacularly, they double down every time instead of cutting their loses, taking the L and learning from it.That guarantees the problem WILL self clean. I would feel bad if they were smart enough to course-correct and save themselves from their well deserved bankrupcies after those many years they spent being obnoxious faggots that hate their target demographic.To many more Concord-likes!
>>737446517What could they possibly be doing, remaking the game from scratch?
>>737447052Go fuck yourself kike you and everyone who isn't a retarded sewer rat know goddamn well those fags made the robots zesty and trooned as fuck
>>737447059Fuck yeah Chuddah wins so easily it's incredible.
>>737446517I love that things just keep getting worse for Bungie. Apparently they were found to be the largest donators to some sort of organized crime false flag operation where they would larp as problematic right wingers and then sell the opposition to them.
>>737446517They don't exactly have a choice.If Marathon completely dies to the point of being shut down, what would Plan B be? Panic-updating Destiny 2 to make up for the time/money wasted on Marathon? Panic-shitting out a Destiny remaster in under a month?Their only saving grace here is going all hands on deck, and either focusing on expanding the game ASAP and somehow getting people to love it via sheer willpower, or filling out the game with more ways for players to spend money and then making the game F2P.Even then, how much will that save it? Would it even be enough to make a dent in all the costs the game's accumulated so far?Apologies for Steam Charts being brought up again, but a big thing in game development is watching how people react when an update hits. If you fix an issue players have and/or add content they love, you'd see a bump in players, a rebound, a shot to the moon, but like Highguard, there's nothing. No rebounds, no noticeable bumps, no plateaus, nothing. Game's on sale right now on every platform in every store, 1/3rd off, no bump in players. Nothing.People don't care and they wont care, you can barely even pinpoint that big content update people got mad about a while back, the playercounts are just a constant slow dip.What do you do about this? What CAN you do? There's a chance they'd spend $2m on a whole-ass campaign for players to run through and the charts would just keep dipping as normal.
going full concord lmao
>>737446517>strangled their cashcow for the sake of a stillborn babyBungie gets what they deserve.
>More Destiny devs start working on marathon.Is this a threat?
>>737446517Seems like doubling down on a bad hand. Destiny is obviously in its twilight, but Marathon didn't catch on enough to sustain a large devteam. It just isn't ever going to be able to give the kind of returns they need. I would've moved most of the company to whatever new project is in the pipeline. Because that's their make or break. They're toast if they cant make something good in the next 3 years.
>>737450647>They're toast if they cant make something good in the next 3 years.If they only had a good gameplay formula inhouse that wasnt marred by corporate greed. Hmmmmm!
they know sony are going to yank their budgets ahead of mid-year financial reports and are trying to crank out as much cash shop content before daddy confiscates their allowance
>>737447881lmao
>>737449298>Panic-updating Destiny 2More like re-release the game as classic Destiny 2. Whenever one big gay zombie studio does a thing that makes money they all eventually start doing it because they network very closely at the top.
4cels are going to SEETHE when marathon is further engoodened and gas hundreds of thousands of players daily
>>737451034they should gas you first ESL cuntrag
>>737446517What they need to do is hire Trigger to make an anime advertisement for it, then all you weebs would suddenly decide it was good like with Soiberpunk.
>>737446517What the fuck else are they gonna do? Destiny 2 is a decade old and losing players every day, and Sony isn't gonna pay the salaries of hundreds of people while they wait for Bungie to make another game after another 7 year dev cycle. Marathon is sink or swim for them, if it fails, Bungie dies.
>>737451034Just 2 more weeks until the game stops hemorrhaging players, trust the plan
The blast must go on until form is returned to and the lightning is in the bottle.
>>737451173>if it failsmarathon has been bleeding players week over week and it's regularly below 10k during eurofag hours. it's already over.
>>737446517Why doesn't Bungie revive Oni?
>>737446517What is there to work on? The game has been out for a month already.
>>737451108>>737451218I can feel you're nervous shaking through the screen
I had endless debates years ago with the zombies on the destiny subreddit about how Bungie is going to prioritize Marathon and they called me toxic and entitled and banned me
>>737451148They can't even do that because no campaign and ugly troon vomit shells.
>>737451570>subredditIt would be easy to say this is a preddit problem but I'm not gonna do that. Games like Destiny 2 that've been around a while and declined in quality tend to have playerbases that crystallize into only the most delusional stubborn retards divorced from reality. Which only further drives away more sane holdouts and causes a population crash.
>>737452354It's an issue everywhere but here and maybe twitter.
I'd forgotten Destiny existed, do people still play 1/2?
>>737452668From what I know people play D1 because they love the game. People play D2 because sunk cost.
>>737446517at least two devs convinced the sony higher ups that PvPvE game with a single gamemode reels in much more money than a game with campaign, deathmatch multiplayer modes, singleplayer and evetyhing else that is pretty much guaranteed from AAA titles
>>737452668d2 has a 10k populationeveryone left a year ago. its just the mentally ill and hackers playing
>>737454802D2 has over 120k unique players on each day. It's more alive then Marathon.
>>737446763If an already-dying barebones Tarkov clone is a 2026 best-selling contender then this year is already looking grim.
>>737446517how much are they paying aztardcross
Yeah, there's no money for Destiny 2 now that Marathon flopped.
>>737446517ONE MORE CONCORD REJECTED
>>737446517Bankrupt Sony and take em down.
>>737447059>homeworld 3I will never not be mad
>>737446517>genuinely, what's the plan here?It's like half of a good game right now. Probably develop the other half.
>>737446517>1000 monkeys on a Pc can't add a simple TDM mode to the game or make more than 1 map at the time.Honestly why do you need more than 20 people for a PVP game? What are they even doing?
>>737446517>All in on Marathon
>>737446517Realistically I expect Bungie to be shut down by the end of the year. Marathon and Destiny IPs will probably be sold off to someone else. Destiny has a ton of potential so it will be nice to see someone take advantage of that.
>you will see Bungie die within the next two yearsThe world isn't such a bad place after all
>>737451512Do you sincerely want an Oni remake from modern day Bungie?
>>737451173Probably make a PVE mode of some kind with coop stuff. Maybe some story elements. Throwing together some new PVP maps isn't going to magically bring in more players to a niche as fuck genre. I remember people being really hyped for the first trailer only to roll their eyes out the back of their heads when it turned out to be another fucking multiplayer GAAS game
>>737448119>Apparently they were found to be the largest donators to some sort of organized crime false flag operation where they would larp as problematic right wingers and then sell the opposition to them.What? Everybody knew this?I wasn't aware of that, like how many trannies are in Bungie as of now? They claim they got as many as 32 devs from the Halo devs, who knows what they are doing.
>>737456790>Marathon and Destiny IPs will probably be sold off to someone else.More likely a bank will end up owning it which is what happened to a lot of games, CDPJ through GOG and their SMEG program (yes it is called smegma) managed to buy game IPs from odd businesses that end up owning for whatever reason, mostly insurance and banks end up with these and don't know what to do with them.
>>737446517The plan is linux support
>>737457130destiny is quite valuable as an IP so I'm sure someone would want to take it on. Marathon is a turbo flop so it will likely just be shut down or put on life support. I'm just really puzzled by Bungie's decision to make an experimental extraction shooter that appeals to a very, very hardcore niche audience rather than going all in on Destiny 2 (or more likely, Destiny 3). Very strange decision.
>>737446763You didnt read that bait image close enough award
>>737451553Bait
>>737446763>best selling 2026>not even 5 months in
I miss halo…
>>737458480It's definitely a 'um akshually, it's TECHNICALLY true' type of marketing cope. Funny, though.But it's also even worse because the list is basically RE9 and some other crap, then Marathon. And I don't think StS2 is even on it, so other stuff is clearly left out
>>737447059>Concord-likes!Concord is a battleborn-like
>>737459474>>737458480>Marathon sold around 1.2m, confirmed by Bungie insiders>Marathon 6th best game of the yearEither one of them are lying through their teeth, or we are gonna be seeing the mother of all layoff waves hit this industry... again.
>>737459823Look at the image, it’s US only and it doesn’t count digital sales from Xbox and Nintendo
>>737459823Is gaming just dying or what? Why is basically every gaming company laying off people en-masse the fast few years
>>737459823There's a lot of weasel words with these Circana lists, anon.>the list has a lot of exclusions/qualifiers for what games are counted (like physical only, or Nintendo e-shop for some, but not others, etc)>some games, like StS2, aren't even listed>'of the year' means the list only counts Jan, Feb, March, and the first half of April (3.5 months), where barely any new AA/AAA games came outAnd some other shit. Circana isn't getting direct sales data because companies don't give that shit out. Take their numbers with a grain of salt while also remembering how bad Marathon's player numbers are, and that the game is already on sale a month and a half after release.
>>737459474>>737459823Marathon is the sixth best selling game of the year... in the US, and not including digital sales for games that don't share that data with the analysts (STS2, Crimson Desert etc).To be honest, even if it was the true sixth best selling game of the year, globally, it was expected to be in the top 5 of the year so it's a fucking failure either way lol
>>737446517>abandon D2 for MaratroonD2 players are going to be pissed aren't they?
>>737460173>it's a fucking failure either wayThat was clear to me the moment the free playtest lost half its players one day to the next.Why anyone at Bungie thought this niche game would do big numbers is mystery, because any autist from /v/ would've said 'no, it won't. Are you high?'
>>737446763>best selling>is less than Dragon Age VeilguardIt's an extraction shooter. It's already a niche genre. Why Bungie decided to focus on this is anyone's guess
>>737460230All 10 of them, yeah.
>>737446517I think Bungie should go all in on Marathon. It would be so funny.
Bungie / Sony have the opportunity to do something extremely based by admitting they were wrong and actually developing a standalone singleplayer campaign that will be a true successor to the original games. If it's good, people will stick around for the multiplayer, which is how it used to be and it was GOOD. But they're both way to fucking lame and money obsessed to do that.
>>737460418well thats unironically what theyre doing, theyre hoping it turns into a gta v
>>737460630No game that patched in some semblance of a single player mode after the game came out was good. None>whatabout....No that was shit.
>>737450647Marathon WAS the new project in the pipeline. Everything else was cut off after the Destiny expansion with the tranny silver surfer.
>>737461140Seconding this. Nu-Marathon was designed from the ground up as multiplayer bullshit. You can't just patch in a single player mode after the game is already done and expect it to be good. Good single player games were all designed as single player from the start.
>>737460630>bungie>admitting they were wrong
>>737460630>Waste dev time on some pcve slopYou have the opportunity to kill yourself, take it
>>737446517They sort of have to. It's pretty much all they have left outside of continuing to update the sinking ship that is Destiny 2 and Sony is not going to greenlight any more IPs from them after the amount of money they've burned and cost them both in acquisition and cancelling all their other devs' live service games. Sony looks like they're sunk costing it and praying it turns into a Helldivers 2-tier popular game or pulls a NMS/FF14 comeback rather than biting the bullet and eating the several billion dollar loss and admitting they made an impulsive mistake to counter Microsoft.
>>737463840Which is more salvagable: Destiny 2 or Marathon?I'd argue Destiny 2, because they just have to make some really good content to get people back.Marathon would require a total rework to add any kind of PVE mode to attract the casuals.
>>737464061Destiny 2 already has so much bad publicity and everyone hopped off with The Final Shape. The only people sticking around at this point have sunk cost or an addiction they can't break. Unless Bungie fundamentally changes their internal practices towards both DLC content and vaulting content, never adheres to the nonsense that one dev said in the GDC talk, and they put out banger after banger expansions while unvaulting all their content I have no idea how they salvage it. People have already given up on it for the most part and they're spinning their rudders.The only way I see Destiny surviving is if they have Destiny 3 in the pipeline and it has both Destiny 1 and Destiny 2 content in full to play whenever you want. If they don't then it's a dead brand.>Marathon would require a total rework to add any kind of PVE mode to attract the casuals.I don't think it would require a rework, just provide a side mode for PvE instead of trying to jam in a PvE MMR like Arc Raiders has. They would need to make significantly more maps, enemy types, and change some aspects of the game, but that mode could work out. Then the work they put into the PvE mode could be applied to a standalone Halo-esque campaign update which is intended to be singleplayer but can be done in 4 player co-op.There's more ways to salvage Marathon than there are to try and make Destiny work again in my opinion.
>>737451030>More like re-release the game as classic Destiny 2. Whenever one big gay zombie studio does a thing that makes money they all eventually start doing it because they network very closely at the top.Will the abandoned and absolutely ass-raped Destiny fans return after that? I kinda doubt it. Plus they literally can't restore all the cut content. That was discovered in the lawsuit where they got sued for plagiarizing the entire main campaign of the game and lost the case because Bungie literally could not produce the original files/project notes/anything to contradict the claimant. They had to walk through Youtube footage of the game being played to build their case which didn't work in their favor.
>>737455391Crimson Desert, Pragmata and Pokopia are the best selling this year so far IIRC. We're eating good so far. Also RE9 exists.
>>737459681>battlebornStillborn*
>>737461140>No game that patched in some semblance of a single player mode after the game came out was good. NoneThat's kinda the early-access motto: Subnatucia is a fine example.For non-EA games: No Man's Sky
>>737451030People are going to play the absolute travesty that is Red War and Curse of Osiris after years of the game evolving mechanically and fully agree it should've remain vaulted.
>>737464708>never adheres to the nonsense that one dev said in the GDC talkWell that guy is the studio head of Bungie now, so slim fucking chance of that one.
The fact that they still had over 400 people working on Destiny 2 and accomplishing nothing is legitimately frightening
>>737465715Isn't there some DLC or big patch coming in June? The one that got delayed so they could focus on launching Marathon?
>>737465646Dear lord.
>>737464061it has to be d3. nobody whos quit d2 will go back to d2. and everyone whose played d2 knows how bad bungie fucked itwith marathon you have ignorant people with good feelings about halo. with d2 its active spite for bungie. marathon could be saved with some work like a singleplayer campaign. d2 is unsalvagleble at this point. even if they did the best most people wont return and d2 has had the worst new player experience for half a decade. you have to do a clean slate with d3.
We might reach 20k+ 24hr peak players, boys!!!
>>737466482No, that 18k is today's peak and it's downhill from here.
>>737446517An immediate death for the new soul less cash grab, a slow torturous murder for the game they left behind.
To crash and burn(with no survivors)
>>737446517Is Destiny 2 dead?
>>737465846>>737465646>>737464708What guy and what did he say at GDC? Fuck them gamers cut the content?
like it or not gamers are talking aboutstylistically there's nothing else like it so they have that going at the very leastI'd play it if they tune the core gameplay, some of the movement mechanics look interesting and I don't like most realistic shooters out there that are slow as fuck
>>737467369>PlanetsideYes>ArenaIf Arena means classic first person arena shooter also yes>left behindFuck you for bringing it up man...>surprise announcement at summer game fest>Sony announces it is un-cancelled and Bungie will be leading the projectWill the nightmare ever end?
>>737447059We aren't winning shit.Name a single western franchise thay wasn't ruined by trannygger garbage"woke is dead" is bullshit, they are still doing it. Just ask Games Workshop.
>>737446605Only a complete limp wristed faggot would claim that Marathon is better than any of the Halo games. Even the 343 ones have fun PvE and forge/custom games.
>>737467742It was a battle royale someone decided to force them to make, if I recall correctly it was third person.
I didn't read the thread but is there an offline solo mode yet?
>>737464061There's plenty of stuff you can add to Marathon to attract a larger player base. PvE, new PvP modes, basically all the stuff D2 has that it doesn't. Problem with D2 is the story is essentially done so there's no real reason to keep any narrative going. It's why all the post-Final Shape content feels so hollow. Also it's so big and so old at this point you either have every gun or piece of armor you could ever want or you are a new player and it's basically unfathomable.
>>737467665https://www.gdcvault.com/play/1027599/From-Box-Products-to-LiveThe tl;dw is that the guy more or less said that you have to underpromise and only slightly deliver but never deliver too much because it means you're expected to keep up that quality from that point forward and all your future content releases will be measured up to the standard you set. To make it even simpler he's saying not to put too much effort into your product because it means you have to do more work.
Destiny was never good.
>>737457017>What? Everybody knew this?NTA but without being familiar with the situation it's hard to say if donors knew that their donations were being sent to the KKK and the National Socialist Party of Americahttps://x.com/nicksortor/status/2046706119641563586
>>737467950That is true for a live service game where constant updates are expected if you don't want permanent crunch. That's a tradeoff when you play a live service game vs a regular one.
>>737468943The thing is that they're asking for $30 or $35 per update to this live service game and then deleting said content from the game after an unspecified period of time unlike your typical GaaS where the content is permanent and free and they make their money from cosmetics or a gacha. When people are paying for content they expect to get their money's worth, and intentionally saying you are gimping what people get because you don't want to do the work when they are paying their hard-earned cash for it is spitting in their face.
>>737469016The deletions are stupid and burned a lot of goodwill. However he is right in that if you're creating a content factory you need it to be consistent. If the team gives 150% for one release they will not be in shape to ship the next month's update. If you set very high expectations that you can't deliver on in the future people will leave.This is not vouching for live service gaming btw, the quality issues that come from this model are part of why it is failing and has a reputation for slop
>>737467867I'm glad it is dead. Slop Royale is the worst genre and third person is beyond cursed.
>>737446517Mass layoffs incoming.
>>737467950I mean that's just general life advice as an employee working anywhere. Pretty fucking stupid to say that publicly as a person trying to sell a product though. Never excel, any work you do that is exceptional will be the new standard of expectations for you, and any dip below that peak will be viewed as failing. It's 100% true. You'll work yourself to death in America if you don't approach your career like this. Always leave room for plenty of improvement so you can easily shine when you need to restore reputation or plan to ask for a promotion. Dude must be a total fucking retard if he thinks this is such a revelation that he has to share it on stage to a crowd. This is basic shit anyone who has worked in a professional setting for more than 3 years knows innately. And the presumed profound mental retardation he has is confirmed by the fact he said it as someone trying to sell software to a mass market.
>>737469313Of course there has to be some consistency, no denying that, but the way he explains it is that you shouldn't try more than the bare minimum due to the expectations you create even when you're expecting people to drop $30 on your expansions that amount to a single raid, like four guns, and a reskin of an enemy.>>737469459See what I said above. No one's saying not to overexert yourself, it's more that he's trying to convince the devs to do the absolute bare minimum and never give people anything substantial.
Shut tripfagNo one cares what (YOU) have to say. Maybe if you turn your shit off you attentionwhore nigger
>>737469556>See what I said above. No one's saying not to overexert yourself, it's more that he's trying to convince the devs to do the absolute bare minimum and never give people anything substantial.Sure it comes off that way because he's selling a product. This mindset isn't something you share where your core audience can hear. But that is absolutely the way to run a successful service. Then everything you do will look good after you set your baseline. That is how you do /anything/ professionally but you generally don't tell the people paying your bills lmfao. If you put out your best work in your first interaction with your customer and/or boss you're going to literally kill yourself trying to maintain that level of excellence and ultimately fail which could mean starving/homeless. I can't really fault him for describing the obvious-recipe-for-survival-and-success-in-our-dystopian-post-capitalist-hell-world but I can fault him for thinking sharing this outrageously simple mindset literally everyone with experience knows to an audience as if it was profound. That's fucking retarded. Hopefully he's sterile so he doesn't bring more narcissistic retards into the world. Speaking of narcissist... what's with the namefagging?
>>737469459>Dude must be a total fucking retard if he thinks this is such a revelation that he has to share it on stage to a crowd. This is basic shit anyone who has worked in a professional setting for more than 3 years knows innately.The average traditional game studio does not work like this as it is focused on getting a single, polished and complete release.>And the presumed profound mental retardation he has is confirmed by the fact he said it as someone trying to sell software to a mass market.This is a talk from a trade show.
>>737467773Only a zoomer queer would think the Halo games are good.
>>737466482>>737466672Didn't they just have their first sale? Where are the new players? Also why are they having a sale this early?
>>737467871Of course not, what do you think this is? Marathon?
>>737466482AAAIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>737457017It's one thing for everyone on 4chan to just know.It's another thing to have actual records of them sending public and donor money to their honey pots, so they can beg their game studio sponsors and the government for more tax dollars to combat made-up racism (which we now know they had a hand in organizing/funding), and whatever.Anyone with a bit of savviness could tell you dudes like Spencer and Charlottesville were blatant plants and convenient scapegoats. But it's nice to know there's records out there, to show the people who just want their confirmation biases met.Sad news for Bungie.I doubt their anti-discrimination tithes are the least of their concerns, in loom of the oncoming layoffs.
>>737469945You like Marathon. You are not human.
>>737469556This delivery model is fundamentally not capable of "giving people anything substantial". The type of person to get excited about a game like Destiny cares about every single arrow in this picture. This model does not work if one of the arrows is twice as good as the prior one because the team gave it 150% and the next arrow is removed, delayed or simply not impressive.
>>737452803No people say they play D1 for the love of the game, then never play it. Its like arena shooters.
Devs haven't been working on Destiny 2 in at least 5 years.
>>737469845>The average traditional game studio does not work like this as it is focused on getting a single, polished and complete release.Maybe not the studio as a whole since they're competing with other games but the employees do. Anyone who doesn't... well they're aren't employed. The strategy is for individuals. But it applies to live services/MMOs/or any SaaS product. Since software in this way is just like the service of providing labor to an employer. It is different from if you sold your labor for a one-time-thing like a roof repair or something. It is for a continuous contractual exchange. Obviously. Thought that was understood from context and explicitly unnecessary. Guess not kek, forgot where I was for a moment. You're just like the Destiny bro who walked out on stage to share his strategy to respirate as a means to avoid death by oxygen deprivation.
>>737452354Yep. Subreddits for dead or dying games only house the most desperate and deranged fans. See also starfield. Any sort of rational or sensible discussion is downvoted to hell. God forbid you provide any sort of criticism even if it's true.
I wonder...
I feel like underdelivering in the work space starts being a concern for all these publishers, if they finally start to question why they keep investing hundreds of millions and 3-5+ years of dev time in obvious flops. Especially when the consumers come out en masse, publicly wondering who asked for this? Inbetween memes and scathing reviews.Maybe that's the plan for these studios and their workers. Milk their sponsors as much as they can, before getting laid off and bouncing away to the next gig job.
>>737449298Algorithms don't work fast enough for instant results like that, especially a game with negative social credit like Marathon. News of the reworks needs to disperse through social channels over a matter of weeks to see any measurable efficacy.
>>737455239IF Destiny 2 has 120k unique daily players with a max concurrent of 9kTHEN how many unique players does Marathon have in a day with 2-3 times the max concurrents? Math is easy.
>>737469759>But that is absolutely the way to run a successful service. Then everything you do will look good after you set your baseline.Not arguing with you there, I agree there needs to be some baseline set, but his argument is that you do even less than the bare minimum and then charge people money for the content then even more money for skins and stuff before ripping it out from player's hands after a year or two when none of their competition is doing this.>>737470209>This delivery model is fundamentally not capable of "giving people anything substantial".Go look at Genshin Impact or Wuthering Waves as extremely basic examples where they provide the player with entire maps to explore every 3 or so months for free at no cost to any player and they are permanently there. They also have side quests, a several hour long main story, new characters, equips, and a multitude of minor minigames to boot.Go look at Marvel Rivals where every month you get a new playable character, balance revamps, a new map, over a dozen or so skins, brand new involved animations for basically everything, and sometimes even long events like the PvE event.The delivery model is absolutely capable of it.
>>737446517they achieved in 2 months what took destiny 2 11 years.
>>737460630Jesus Christ the average IQ of these threads is subsaharan
>>737470385The talk is not saying "coast and don't give a fuck", it is describing how to scale an operations model. That type of cynical read is projection.
>>737449298>how much will that save it? It won't, at it's core Marathon is a sweats game chasing casuals and that never works out.
>>737470170I was a human before you were viable sperm, faggot.
>>737470732Those examples are also formulaic; you even described the formula yourselfIf your issue with Bungie is that the volume of content in every update is bad then yes that is part if why they are dying
>>737470948I thought that was a given with the discussion? The volume of content is what makes content "substantial".
>>737471006>The volume of content is what makes content "substantial"lol
>>737449298Literally in Starfield territory already lmao
>>737470832Neither am I. Nothing about what I said is cynical>>737469459>>737469759>>737470385It is realist and pragmatic. If your employer's (or customer's) first major experience with you after entering into a contract for labor (or a service product) is your literal best then you will do nothing but fail going forward. You have to probe your environment, work up to a comfortable above average baseline (enough to excel compared to your peers in labor or market but not above your tolerance line since no one is perfect and will fail eventually, so a recoverable practical baseline), read response and occasionally push hard in one aspect (either deliver early, under budget, or in quality but only one of these three) to keep your employer (or customer) not just satisfied but impressed. This is LIFE as a member of a society where labor (or service based products) are exchanged. There is no alternative to success for either party in the exchange (even in a world where the buyer pulls for extreme success nonstop they'll eventually hollow out all suppliers and be left with nothing and the market collapses).That's just the way humans and the world works buddy. The fact that this has to be explained is mind boggling. Maybe Destiny-bro wasn't wrong for stating the obvious on a large stage. People are just fucking retards.
>>737470467>#6Oof.Guess that officially mean that by bungies own metric Marathon was a flop.
>>737471050I mean obviously there's gotta be good content behind it, but there also has to be a decent amount to it outside of it being good.
>>737471114starfield at least conned a lot of hype retard buys earlynobody bought marathonand they both cost around 200mil to make lol
>>737470892You took thousands of dicks up the ass before I was born, you'll take a thousand more before you die of aids.That's the average life experience of a Marathon enjoyer.
>>737446517No plan. Just Double Down Syndrome.
>>737449298Marathon is a game that was built for an audience that either already left or never showed up, being hastily retrofitted into a different kind of game to chase the audience that went to Arc Raiders instead. It is being discounted before its first seasonal refresh. Its mid-season "major update" moved no measurable population needle. Think about what that means. Bungie spent years marketing Marathon as a brutal, unforgiving, shoot-on-sight extraction experience. The art direction, the faction lore. for nothing.
>>737469945Kill yourself contrarian
Destiny 2 is falling apart, they've probably decided to just abandon it and focus on marathon in the hopes its a huge hit and maybe funds D3, or a D1 classic.
>>737446517Is the star wars dlc worth playing?I stopped playing after shadowkeep and been craving a star wars game fix
>>737469351they wont lay anyone off because the last time they fired an entire studio and killed a game in a single newscycle it was Concord and nobody at Sony wants to have that conversation again. They will do the straight Anthem playbook, deprecate the seasons into nothing for years and then EOS.
>>737447059God damn that was the year of the chud, the entire internet uniting to shit on Concord was truly something else, this must be what oldfags felt like.
>>737470106>Lost another 1 thousand players LOOOL
>>737471198Marathon estimates now put it at least $250 million, per a Forbes article.And that's not counting post-release support and marketing.
>>737451173>>737456909If they make a PvE mode with some longevity like DRG and a campaign, I'd probably buy it, but then again, it's Bungie, they straight up removed paid content in their prior game, it will take years to earn back my trust.
>>737456630They need constant dilation breaks anon, have some empathy.
>>737460121over hiring in the covid days because the demand spiked, and because of the money priting and bailouts
>>737471114starfield is doing way better on consoles. Marathons market is primarily pc ironically.
arc raiders>can tell what is what>loot and weapons make sensemarathon>wtf did i just loot>is this a smg? pistol? wtf am i holding
>all the theories itt on how to save Bungienot that any of you are wrong or right, but you're forgetting the most important thing: Bungie is arrogant, they seem to think they're still the same studio of Halo Reach or hell even Destiny 1, the retards there would rather crash it all down than add a campaign to Marathon or put back the vaulted content in D2
>>737446517Based, fuck D2 players be eternally raped.
FREEGUNNERSCOMMANDERSWARDENSMARATHONNERSWHATEVER YOU ARE CALLEDWE MUST BE BETTER MENWE MUST PLAY MARATHON AND BUY CASH SHOP SKINS AND BATTLE PASSESHUZZAH
Does anybody still give a fuck about this? I got tired of trolling over marathon weeks ago.
>>737447059>Veilguard came out in 2024No way...
Multiplayer ruined video games.
>>737447284That's a great question. >>737449298Have actual solid work on their next game so it doesn't take 12 years and need 7 million full price copies to break even.
>>737456630Check the credits. 2700 people. They have an Inclusion, Diversity, and Equity Director AND a Diversity, Inclusion, and Learning Leadplus their entire teams.>>737451034If they fix it, we have a good game and I win, you dumb frogposter. But I'm betting you don't even own the game.>>737451148Anime designs are misonogistic. They won't do that.
>>737460630I know you're just a dumb frogposter, but if they admit they're wrong I will actually fucking take their next game seriously. >>737464061Neither. A new project, recycling whatever usable assets from both is the best play.
>>737470106Holy shit. Marathon might not make it to the end of May.
Imagine paying hundreds of full time employees wages for a game that can't even crack 15k players. I'm assuming a decent amount of those players numbers are faked through bots too to prop up numbers
>>737473304The wild card is the server reset. Do they get returing players? Does everyone fucking quit on the spot?>>737467871LOL. >>737471562It may be the closest you get to closing the pool in habbo hotel. Apreciate the moment for what it was.
>>737472613So... I'm nonbinary
Just a reminder for all the 'dead game' folks, the original talking point was that it was 'dead on arrival'then dead in week 1then dead in week 2then dead in week 3then dead in week 4then dead in month 2There's people in this thread now talking about sony investor calls and shit because beleive it or not this was never another concord situation and they are having to rely on speculation about what a hypothetical sony investor might think at this stage.Not to mention, if player numbers get so dire, it will likely go free to play and linger on for ages.
>>737476268how is 4k-18k CCU not dead
>>737478095Daily average user count is usually between 10x - 20x of the CCU, so around 150,000 - 300,000 depending on average session length.It means the game found its niche just as expected. Now, how did Bungie and Sony not expect this to be a niche game, is another future story of stupidity.
>>737478207uh I dont think spending 250 million dollars on a niche game is a good business decision
>>737471986If they had kept using their own modern IP and made it Destiny: Extraction instead, then it would have probably been a hell of a lot easier on them, both from brand recognition and space magic just making things easier to get creative with in PVE.
>>737478297Well no shit sherlock. Sony's excel sheets don't prevent one from enjoying the game while it lasts, though.
Bungie is so fucking dumb they made a reverse battle royale lmao
>Goes on sale >Loses 1k players the next day
Reminder that execs expected this game to be the top 5 npd for the year lmao
>>737456883It was a mediocre game in the first place so there's not a lot to live up to.
>>737452940single gamemode = smaller budget = more profits
bungie is so stupid these days. i'd have played if there was a campaign, but there isn't. i'd have played if there were a dedicated pvp mode, but there is not. i'd even have been down for the extraction mode stuff, if it had been pve-only. they shot three toes off the foot. and i actually dig the art style, so that was never putting me off. i was really interested, too... ah well.
>>737476268>>737478207premium copium
>>737459823>Yes trust us>We totally sold more than a million copies of our gaas, even if we have less than 20k players on steam>IT'S ON CONSOLE OKAY ?!
>>737446517I guarantee that they will pivot to a f2p model and hope they can rope more people in to give them money for microtransactions. They had every intention on this game becoming their financial replacement for Destiny 2 and things clearly aren't working out as they are.Sony can't let this game fail. They spent a mint buying Bungie and letting Marathon become another Concord would drastically damage Bungie's reputation, which in turn, would make Sony look like a bunch of retards to their investors.
SWITCH 2 PORT WILL SAVE MARATHON!
>>737479548It's industry-standard math. Your Concord 3 didn't happen, and neither did Arc Raiders, because life isn't always black and white.
>>737447881Meds expeditiously
>>737465637>mechanicallyThe purpose of the old campaigns is for the story (good and bad) and general onboarding of gameplay systems, not to give the game's PvE mains a compelling weekly experience.
>>737446517>they'd rather try and make a dime a dozen extraction shooter stand out weeks after launch than get their """MMO""" into a reasonable stateThe actual moment to moment gunplay in Destiny 2 feels great, but they're so hell bent on making every surrounding system feel like shit to engage with that the game is a dumpster fire.Managing to have great combat and simply refusing to make everything around it less aggressively awful to deal with has me convinced they aren't interested in making games.They just want quality lures for their jagged hooks.
>>737446592Battle royale incoming. They'll find an audience by turning the game into something that it wasn't, hobble along for a few years, and then announce the server shutdown
>>737479993Bro Marathon is already a fucking BR
>>737480091a battle royale for sweat tryhard autists with cheats
>>737446517>More devs are working on [new game] than [old game close to EOS] nowWow what a shock
>>737480607>more devs are working on [new game close to eos] than [old game they purposefully put close to eos] nowthinking emoji
>>737476268its concord maintained by bungietards like you
>>737476268lol you lost
Lads...
>>737484197>U-U-U-UPDATE DONT LOOSE HOPPIUM NEXT SEASON WIPE WELL GET BIGGER NUMBERS AND BETTER
>>737479739But it did happen, bc the game flopped and even just yestetday lost another 1000 CCU. The game has only made at best 1/7th of its base budget back. No one is buying your cope bc the game clearly concorded out, the difference is tjat this is what a concord from a "can't die" studio looks like, an REAL industry titan with historic fans. It's even worse than Concord bc its killing a staple studio of the industry going back decades.
>>737484493Concord had a 500 player peak and sold 25,000 copies. Are you bad at math or just dyslexic?
>>737471986the game looks like shit though? the solid colors missing textures look fucking sucks
KING OF GETS
>>737476268I dont think /v/ was ready for a neutral good outcome. It wasn’t Fortnite and it wasn’t Concord. It was just a normal video game that managed to attract the hardcore crowd that it wanted. It even has a solid foundation to build off of, meaning a year from now, after more maps, weapons, and shells get added, and eceleb get bored of losing, and the ragebaiting dies down, curiosity will set in.>hmm i wonder what became of Marathon aka “the one that got away”>oh hey these trailers are pretty cool>oh its on sale again?>why the fuck not>oh wow its actually pretty good like the reviews say what the fuck>and there is no blue-haired lesbian with a nose ring and a prosthetic leg like the anti-woke crowd will have you believe>/v/ lied to me yet again
>>737484643at this pace they will barely limp along to the reset in June. I wonder how many players they'll lose after the wipe
>>737484696cope of the decade award
>>737484531Concord was from a no-name studio incubated to make it with no long-term history or fans, and they made an ugly game no one wanted.When a big name studio with decades of award winning titles under their belt, and dedicated players, releases a game that underperforms to the degree of Marathon, you have to scale that flop relative to their prominemce and history. The fact Marathon is these numbers >>737484493 before its first wipe with another month to go before major content and didn't manage to make even a forth of its base budget back... that's a AAAA Concord. Relatively speaking its worse bc, like I said, its not killing some no-name incubation studio, it's killing an industry titan that helped define entire console generations. That happening to a studio like that hasn't been seen till now on the Concordian timeline. I'm gonna be honest, I thought the history and braindead fans would keep it from hitting these lows, but it didn't. This is what a real AAA concord death looks like.
>>737484696>It was just a normal video game that managed to attract the hardcore crowd that it wanted.Hahaha I love how we all saw the playbook shift from launch to this absolute coping mantra you keep repeating. I'm glad slop like this failed and I hope it sends a message
I know some of you are playing this slop. Can they do it? Can they actualy reverse the tortanic?!
>>737484715The worst part is that the update in June is adding night raid to one map; there's no real content planned.
>>737484831>the mental gymnastics chuds go through to cling to the concord narrativejust accept the fact that the game didn't die in 2 weeks and move on. marathon will probably linger around for 2 years to avoid litigation.
>>737484939You can deny my truth all you want, I'm not the one coping over it, because it's genuinely THAT bad. I can look at it and easily make this judgement.
>You didn't get Concord, you got the Titanic, chuds lose again!
>>737485049your (you), now go back to pressing F5 on steamdb
>>737485163seething lmao
BUY AN AD
>>737484874no, people just aren't interested in this
>>737485163Don't threaten me with a good time lmao
>>737484874Go read the normie YouTube comments from the first batch of reveal/gameplay/cinematic trailer and you tell me
>>737479502Same, the very first trailer got me interested, but the moment I found out it was extraction-slop my brain just absolutely disregarded it.
>your (you), now go back to pressing F5 on steamdb
>>737446763
>>737484874There's no tortanicIt has been weeks since the last meaningful updateSeason 2, night dire marsh and cradles will bump it up back to 80k, from which it will then again slowly dwindleThat's how these games work
>>737447059>>737467754it's going to be another 5 years at least before western devs make anything worth playing imo. gta6 will probably sell well based off the studio alone but be a less fun/extremely timid version of gta5. the other studios are in the process of dying, and any game worth a damn takes years to complete.
>>737485658>80k The game will be lucky to hit 40k
>>737470732Those games are made by Asians who are:1) passionate about their project2) haven't bitched for the last 3 decades about "dev crunch"3) are still primarily male teamsSee also: Crimson Desert. After release, they're still churning out massive QoL patches that actively make the game less shit.Western devs literally can not compete. The passionate devs who love coding don't give a shit about the garbage product. The garbage product pushers don't give a shit about coding.
>>737471114>>737471198yeah, starfield got me. I enjoyed it well enough when it launched but it wasn't even close to TES or fallout. I tried it again this past month for the new DLC but it's still such a letdown and the DLC doesn't help it at all. What a wasted project.
>>737485658>>737486652I am willing to bet that it will never reach 25k again.
Marathon is the only game where I saw the projection ownership aggregate thing get adjusted DOWN week over week.
>>737485303>concordian trendJust explain to me how 25,000 equals 1,2 million and I can see where you're coming from
>>737471408it's 12 bucks on loadedwait for the next season first so you don't get scammed out of a free battlepassno clue on how good it is
flopathon
>>737487591Concord had a budget of $400M, but Bungie isn’t much behind with $250M, $100M in marketing and $3.6B of Sony for buying them
>>737484643Will weekend boost even get it back above 20k?
>>737487591Best part about this is you people literally aren't going to exist on this site next month. Hurr durr Germany beat Brazil 7-1 but actually if they really won it would've been 10-0 kill yourself
>>737487751Yeah, but how does that mean 25,000 equals 1,200,000?
>>737487781math is hard for you huh
>>737487886I'm the og person you were replying to and It's not obvious to me what the numbers are referencing. It's not maracord #s bc that's under 20k as of now and deepening, and 1.2 million is... sales? That's not a lot of sales relative to cost at all. It's not a miniscule number, but it's also not even close to decent. For the scale of the project, costs, and it being a bungie game etc. It is devastatingly miniscule, so I do not get why it's important to bring up since it doesn't help your arguement.
>>737449298It's industrial strength hyper coping, trying to push marathon's time of death far enough from release that snoy and the dialation beasts can tell everybody it absolutely wasn't concord 3. If we do the math regarding sales using bungies own admissions on budget and sales, both of which have almost certainly been subject to hollywood accounting to look better then it really is, they have to find something north of another 9 million sales just to break even. Keep in mind, the more drastic the changes they make, the higher the bar to clear is going to get from additional costs. It's just not going to happen anywhere but somebodies imagination
>>737452668
>>737488198>>737488221Save your vril brothers you're "arguing" with pic related
Why not just make an extraction shooter mode for Destiny 2 instead of splitting more resources and going for the slow, painful death of everything?
>>737488351Rumor has it this is a chopped Destiny 2 mode that Sony made Bungie develop into a stand alone game after the acquisition
>>737488312Listen idc how brown hypothetical other users are, I'm 100% real with him. That shit is a failure and rumor is bungie is scrounging internally.
>>737446517Somehow, Shartsteny is doing even worse than Concord 3
Sell me Marathon. What's it about and is it worth playing?
>>737446517"All in on Marathon" likely means retooling Destiny content and throwing it at the game, should be fun to watch the slop roll downhill throughout its slow death.
>>737467867Planetside Arena was in both First and Third Person>t. 11 hours late to reply
>>737485658you are absolutely delusional. week on week slow bleeders like this do not have massive jumps anymore, the damage is done.
>>737490835>XP booster as a permanent UI elementI hate this fucking company
LMAOOOOOO
>>737459681Battleborn is Brink-like.Battleborn is Brink II.Concord is Battleborn II.
>>737490457its a game about getting an adrenaline surge when you hear other player's footsteps near you and know he also heard yoursalso shooting unaware retards in the backalso there are like items and looting and bots that exist to make you make noise when you shoot themyou can just play something like apex if you need a game to play whenever you feel like clicking on people like I did t b h
>>737492432any other extraction shooter does it better while not looking like visual vomit
>>737446517Killing their studio...>We're a big buyWITH NO SURVIVORS!
ALIVE GAME AND BLASTING
The last time someone went all in was Bioware
>>737451173Imagine if D2 didn't have al of its content removed and would be an actual game people can pick up and get into so Bungie gets a constant revenue from it.Bungie must take the pick for the most incompetent gaming company ever. Ubisoft and EA are in the headlines more but Bungie is literally the definition of shooting yourself in the foot x100000000
>>737490457>what's it aboutHardcore extraction PVP that's 90% weighted to 3v3 premade groups>is it worth playingNot unless you really, really like that style of game and live in the US (since it's dead everywhere else).
>>737457332Destiny may have been defacto the biggest franchise in the history of the medium if Activision took it away from Bungie before D2.
>>737464061>I'd argue Destiny 2, because they just have to make some really good content to get people back.No one is ever coming back to D2. It is by far the worst deal in the history of gaming from a consumer perspective. You pay over 150 dollars every year to play content that is gone forever deleted at the end of the year along with everything you got from it.Destiny 2 was killed the moment Bungie decided on deleting the entire game for their own ego. No one is gonna get a game that literally takes away their money except for Bungie affiliated youtubers.
>>737468943>That's a tradeoff when you play a live service game vs a regular one.But 99% of live service games have their content updates entirely for free. Just look at Warframe. Yeah it does balance that release idea of not putting too much eggs in one basket, but every single piece of content and gameplay and even almost ALL the cosmetics are completely free, and unlike Destiny2, none of them have ever been removed from the game.
>>737451034this the game will have a big comeback
Bungie is what Texas Holdem players call "pot committed." Bungie can't afford to fold. But the bad news is they don't even have a pair. It's unironically over.
>>737494137Bungie is what professional rapists call "the raped"
>>737447059The fuck did they do to Doctor
>>737494282The whole run was a homage to a /tv/ favourite.
>>737491241>pov: you accidentally shorted them 2 pieces of fried chicken in her 40 piece bucket and they finna bouta get it sorted
>>737490457It's exhilarating if you're okay with high risk and losing a lot. Did you like Eve Online? Are you okay to sit through a hopeless CS match just for the opportunity to clutch? You'd like Marathon.Do you like arena MMO PvP? Do you like survival crafting? You won't like Marathon.
>>737494137You might also describe Bungie as "felted"
>>737494707How dare you try to compare EVE with Marathon?
>>737446517Sunk cost fallacyBecause of the heritage Bungie has in the gaming industry, Snoy has no choice but to go all in on whatever they do whatever the cost. The PR of them shutting down Bungie outweighs any maintenance costs or any other opportunity costs they lose out on. They weren't afraid to kill Concord because it was a brand new IP so no one would give a fuck.
>>737495035>Buy and play the game? Heck no>Write comfort letters? Sign me up
>>737484696>oh its on sale again?>why the fuck notreminder that the numbers fell by almost 2k when it went on sale but nice cope >and there is no blue-haired lesbian with a nose ring and a prosthetic leg like the anti-woke crowd will have you believe>/v/ lied to me yet againlol how many times do we have to post the tranny devs before you learn your lesson
>>737450534underrated post
>>737495089ILL LEAVE MY LAPTOP ON TWITCH ALL NIGHTBECAUSE THATS THE KIND OF DEDICATED PLAYER I AM LETS GRIND THAT COFFEE MARADADDIES
God, I fucking hate Bungie. Destiny is such a good game, and every single time they’ve managed to screw it all up somehow and magically recover from it, but apparently not this time.
>>737490457>What's it about It's an extraction shooter with a PvP focus (although there is still a lot of PvE). This means that you go into a match, grab items from the map and enemy players, and extract to keep the stuff for future use or upgrades. If you die, you lose everything you brought with you. PvP is encouraged with one of the factions being a death cult you level up by killing and looting corpses, and the time to kill is pretty low. People say that Marathon has Bungie's trademark gameplay, but I haven't played other Bungie games, so I can't comment on this beyond saying that aim assist is a weapon stat. This game is pretty brutal to new players to almost complete lack of onboarding (this was apparently somewhat mitigated with the midseason patch, but only new players can access the new beginner content, so I can't comment on this, either). There is a total of 4 maps, 3 regular ones and 1 endgame. Each has its own mechanics that are never explained and many aren't obvious. I like Marathon, but it's definitely a flawed game, and its player count decline doesn't surprise me.>and is it worth playing?While I think it would be best for the game if I just plainly recommended it to you, can't do that in good faith because I'm unsure of its future. Wait until season 2, see how the things turn out, then decide.
Bungie made a BR with extra steps thata why its failing
>>737495219Destiny was never good. You just have god awful taste.
>>737495470Battle royal implies that only one player/team wins. Many players can extract from the same match. Exfil competition is a thing only in Cryo Archive.
>>737495542Then name me a good game I should play instead, I’d be more than happy to. Seriously, Destiny 2 left a huge hole in my heart, and no other game has been able to fill it.But honestly, anyone who doesn’t like Destiny clearly just doesn’t have any friends and can’t experience the best parts of it. God forbid that an MMO should require people to talk to each other.
>>737491204>Projection StS2 just under Marathon >In reality it sold like 5x the amountRapist meet raped
>>737460630It has been 30 years. Literally nobody knew what Marathon was before this game. Not even you. The old Marathon was niche back then, and it's long forgotten now, even to Bungie.
>>737490607This is a cut Destiny mode made into a full game after the Sony acquisition so it makes sense
It amuses me that Destiny has an actual gun from Marathon while new Marathon only has that blocky crap
>>737446517Do the same thing they did with bungie 2, aka 'trust retention revenue'. They literally believe its ok to push out steaming shit as long as they have a fast patch cycle and keep people talking about the game - negatively or positively - because apathy is what kills the game. Truman (the head of bungie) literally outlined this at a gdc.
>>737497267>retentionthey've lost 90% of players
>>73744929814k and 19k peak doesn't seem bad. I've never played this shit or Concord, but those numbers look way better than any of the other recent failures
>>73749742390% isn't 100% though :)
>>73749744014k to 19k is pretty bad when they're already selling this game for $39.99 and expect idiots to buy microtransactions to make up for the lowered price of entry
>>737497440>14k and 19k peak doesn't seem badNow divide those numbers up by region, skill rankings, ping, idle/afk, actively searching, etc.Your player pool is now effecitvely zero. Good luck finding a good quality match.Those numbers are terrible and now amount of cope will change it.
>>737451034It was truly a marathon™.
>>737497440Bad is relative in terms of performance, but when you spend $250 million and can't get a lifetime peak over 100k on PC (the lead platform) and lose 75% of your players in a month and a half, that's not exactly a good place to be.
>>737465381I guess I can give you NMS. There was never a timeline where I would like that game, broken release or no. It's just not something I would ever consider fun.
>>737497267The key difference here is that they don't have the funds to weather the "trust" & "retention" phases. They got away with pushing out steaming shit because they sold millions of copies of steaming shit before the masses caught wind. This is what people miss when they think any game can have a Cyberpunk/No Man's Sky kind of comeback, you only get the opportunity to fix your game if you sold a shit ton of copies at launch.Marathon sold badly, it has not come even close to turning a profit. They can't afford to spend another 2 years in development unfucking it.
>All these post complaining about the lack of a singleplayer campaignArc Raiders didn't need it.
>>737496298I did, secondary.
>>737446517Because it is good.
>>737447881Cope, you can easily tell male from female unlike in Arc Raiders.
>>737497440Those numbers would be astounding for an indie studio single player offline game, or even a game with an online element like that of elden ring at the expense of the devs. Those numbers cannot work with for an AAA title that has skill any sort of matchmaking divided on several modes.
>>737446517I assumed that this already was the case.
>>737498483Arc Raiders is dying too retard
>>737446517Those guys gave money to literal Nazi sympathizers, and celebrated it as a victory of "progress". I ain't making this shit up, the SPLC really did finance extremist groups.
>>737495976This is what the raped looks likeThey take the content you pay for and vault it. Even if you dont mind being raped, the game could never be good due to this simple fact.
>>737495976The raped
>>737499187>>737499982Oh shit, is that you, paid Marathon shill? Are you STILL seething about Arc Raiders?God bless this singlemindedness of yours. And Arc could shed players all the way down to 10k and it would still be 100x more successful than Marathon, lol
>>737446517all hands on deck to salvage a 3 billion shekel bomb
Just want you all to know that a based marathon-hater chud got so triggered by me calling him Polish on the Steam forums that he mass-reported me with his 6+ alts These are the schizophrenic children you fight alongside
>>737503529poland W
>>737446763This was worth clicking on the thread for.
>>737503529exceedingly rare kurwa W
>>737503529wtf I love poland now
>>737503619>>737503698>>737503701Still waiting for the room to spin for that lightbulb I take it
>>737446743>troon game>troon devsanon, you're on to something
>>737503842How does it feel to be more retarded than a country of albino nogs who name their kids by mashing a keyboard?
>>737503930Feels like my cock in your ass, faggot
>>737449898>14,(0)88wait is marathon zased?
>>737501368^^^incel.
>>737501368Cope faggot.And yes i get paid while you seethe and cope about it because you have mental illness from being terminally online.
>>737459681shut up randyno one cares about battleborn
>>737504303>>737504223Ahh, there's that old image you love trotting out.I'm amazed they're still paying you to shill this crap. Maybe it's a new marketing push since the game is on emergency sale?You brighten up these threads, because it lets anons know that no matter how tough their lives might be, they're never as pathetic as someone likes you who gets paid to whore themselves out like this. I think you're probably also indian, since they can't be paying you that much to begin with.
>>737504492Try not to kill yourself. You have mental illness from being terminally online.Go take more meds faggot.
>>737504641You're like a therapy animal, shillbro. Just seeing you posted these tired, ineffective pictures brightens my day and makes me feel better about myself that I didn't end up where you are now.I hope you'll also show up in the eventual layoff/EOS threads, too.
>>737504810Cope, faggot, i have a life and am not mentally ill, i have not posted these images in ages, try not to kill yourself you mentally ill fuck, go get a job you pussy.
>>737484696>Neutral-goodIn what universe? Neural good would be if it peaked at 150k and was now floating around 70k-80k. It would still get memed on for Arc Raiders eating it's lunch, but it wouldn't be the catastrophe that is 20k daily players 2 months after release.
>>737505067I can't believe they haven't given you new images for your shilling, either. It must be a pretty cheap operation to care so little for appearances, huh?You seem pretty defensive about your work, too. And if being paid to be a (poor) stealth marketer is the live you have, I'd ask for a refund.>>737505106It almost came close to a 150k peak when they did the free playtest, but most of those people stopped playing after a few hours (lol)
>>737503529I would be mad too if someone remind me that I'm Polish
>>737446763***the top 6 best selling 2026 game
>>737446763>top 6 best selling game (with restrictions on what is included on the list)even if that list mattered they don't make tin medals for sixth place buddy
>>737505351Slavshits need to learn to cope and stop pretending to be white
>>737446517They have nothing left. This is their magnum opus.
>>737447059when you flopped so hard no one knew you existed
>>737467754every layoff is a win
>>737446517I'm not surprised. They are just following the plan.Destinity 2 is through, it won't be ressurrected no matter if 10 or 1000 people work in it. Marathon is the only future they have, so they will cling to it until the end.They quite literally have nothing else if not Marathon. They'll have to pull out a No Man's Sky or die trying.
>>737506565die trying is the only option for bungie, i guarantee sony is not going to give them the runway for Marathon Reborn 2.0 or whatever. bungie will fall from grace even further just like bioware who similarly bet nearly the whole company and lost
>>737506779The difference is that Sony paid 4 billion for Bungie, and they did it because Bungie showed them Marathon.Is Sony ready and prepared to shut down Bungie, writing off 4 billion in the process?
>>737446517How to Save Marathon:>make extraction a side mode and stop updating it>add real pvp shooter modes like CTF>if anyone requests a battle royale mode on any official dev forums, range ban them and order nasty pizzas to their house from a burner phone for the next 5 years
>>737446517Why are Bungie and game journos so invested in Marathon? Like on a personal level they're invested in, not in a business sense.
>>737506926You just want a different game. Why not play something else?
>>737449298Fixes to existing gameplay does NOT bring people back. Creating whole new gameplay such as new modes, new suite of maps (not just one per month), or a single player campaign or expansions of that campaign, is what makes a difference. You can't just create a new lobby and then expect people to flock in droves.
>>737506323>Fake robe made out of metal platesThat's pretty retarded.
>>737506864They're not going to shut down Bungie per se, they'll just integrate their most valuable staff into Sony support studios to the point where you will forget Bungie exists. That's when they'll announce the layoffs for all the deadwood
>>737507005>You just want a different game.Correct.>Why not play something else?I already do, and based on the numbers, so does everyone else.
>>737446763Marathon had a peak of 9k the other day. If that is what they are content with and if that's they want to be going forward then they are going to have to fire half their employee's minimum and downscale drastically.
>>737473174>Bungie Team: Oops All DEI ConsultantsIt's baffling to think of game companies that spend millions of dollars on people who don't make any margin of profit for their company
>>737506864the more realistic scenario is not some dramatic shutdown of the company but death by 1000 cuts of bungie projects and employees being picked away by sony while leaving a skeleton crew to merely maintain marathon and destiny 2
>>737507164Then why go into a thread about a game you don't play and say that it should be more like games to do play?
>>737446517I think we have more insane newshttps://x.com/nicksortor/status/2046706119641563586
>>737449298They can't even retreat back to D2 because they fucked everybody over again with Edge of Fate soft sunsetting 90% of the game. Nobody is crawling back to Destiny now that their entire vault has been trashed for the 2nd time.
>>737507330Because I both feel like it and am objectively correct.
>>737506864That $4b is gone and spent. Shutting Bungie down today or letting it limp along for another decade doesn't mean that money comes back somehow. For Bungie to make a return on Sony's investment, it would have to>make an amazing new game that makes enough money to pay for its dev costs>and Marathon's dev costs>and all of the operational costs since Sony bought them>and the $3.6b spent just to get the companyThe game would have to make $5b at least or something crazy high, like they'd need to make the next Fortnite or Roblox or make a bunch of gacha games. I just don't see how Sony ever makes that money back.
>>737451173Maybe they shouldn’t have shot themselves in the foot seven times with Destiny while simultaneously betting the farm on a single monumentally expensive GaaS title in a niche genre.Burning bridges leaves you with nowhere to go.
>>737507926>The game would have to make $5b at least or something crazy highAnd that's not possible. Marathon could have been an absolute blockbuster and that still wouldn't have been enough to cover all of that.
>>737446517>well you know, with a marathon you need to start off slow and speed to the finish- some corpo shitlord
>>737508209Yeah, not for Marathon. My point was mostly that Bungie would have to make a new game, and that game would have to unironically be the next Fortnite/CoD/Minecraft for Sony to have any hope of making back the money they spent on buying them.
>>737508810So, logically, Sony didn't expect Bungie to make all that money with a single game. If I can figure it out, then surely the higherup at Sony can.
>>737508965No, clearly not. But we were talking about situations where Sony could make money back on Bungie. And sure, it could be a bunch of games, but it costs something like $10 to $15 million a month for Sony to keep Bungie open and running, so the longer things go without Bungie making any money, the deeper in the red things get.
>>737506984Why are you so invested in it failing? Both of you dumbasses are equally retarded.
>>737508965Jim Ryan probably did actually expect that because he's the moron who closed SIE Japan and bet the farm on a bunch of failed live service projects.
>>737472197>>wtf did i just loot>>is this a smg? pistol? wtf am i holdingyou dont like the fisher price toy guns?
>make game where all the guns look like roblox nerf guns and all the characters look like department store mannequins that got clothed and painted by a schizosomeone needs to tell bungie what the "video" in video games means..............
>>737510182I've actually had more trouble telling what kind of gun I'm looking at in Arc Raiders than in Marathon. Pic related, except in a tiny icon, is the best example of this.
>>737510602Arc reads way clearer than Marathon, even after Bungie changed up the icons.
>>737511314This does not align with my experience of both games.
>>737511374That poster you replied to, his experience does align with my experience of both games. So now what?
>>737511412Nothing. I can't argue that someone else's experience is wrong.
>>737511489I'd say your experience is wrong since I've never heard any serious complaints about Arc's UI compared to the mountain of complaints I've heard about Marathon's.
makes sense. it was a success.
>>737511489Well ur wrong. Now what?
>>737511557I have complaints about Arc's UI. I don't like that you need to hold Ctrl to instantly transfer an item from a container to your inventory with a click, or that there is no automatic stacking and sorting. I agree that Marathon's main menu is hard to navigate at first, but when I bought Arc Raiders, I was surprised to see that it was not better. I guess that's the standard extraction shooter main menu.
>>737511769Nothing. None of this matters. You both go on living your subjective experiences.
>>737511828Dude for Marathon, you can't even mass sell. You have to hold E one by one like a fucking retard. Holding ctrl and clicking quickly through your items is 10x better, or being able to select multiple items is 10x better.
>>737479993>BRthat didn't work for Battlefield 6
>>737511952>can't mass sellWhat the fuck? Did they hire one of the brainlets who worked on the Epic Game Store to design their in game vendors? How does basic functionality like that not get in?
>>737511952>Dude for Marathon, you can't even mass sell.Sure, that's an issue. Can't mass buy, either, which I have to do a lot more than mass sell. I hope they fix that.>Holding ctrl and clicking quickly through your items is 10x better, or being able to select multiple items is 10x better.No, I transfer items to my inventory a lot more than buy or sell.>>737512064You sell the whole stack (or a part of a stack, which you can select with A/D), so the lack of mass selling never bothered me. But I do wish you could do the A/D select in the store to buy multiple of the same item at once.
>>737512532>No, I transfer items to my inventory a lot more than buy or sell.There is an unload backpack that unloads mats and anything that isnt ammo or equipped guns. Not to mention it asks you at the end of every raid to unload your backpack. Arc does lack some basic UI features but Marathon is somehow even worse on that front.
>>737512813Oh, yeah, that's also something I wish was there. I usually just select Rook to unload the inventory.
what if the maps were larger and you could play in a stealthy way?
They spent 8 years on this instead of Destiny 3, a single player game, or anything appealing, the fuck else can they do?They can't make a different game so soon
>>737503529Ahahahaha kurwa
>>737503529Polaks invented and perfected the art of butthurt.
>>737507392Wow, who would have thought that the perpetual liars and deceivers would lie and deceive?
>>737449298>What do you do about this?You close up shop. Not joking
>>737470603It does when you have damn near 100% of gaming media saying "Marathon is saved, play now gogogogogo!!!!" in unison.
>>737497440That's awful considering how much they spent on buying Bungie, how much time/effort/money they put into Marathon, it being a multiplat where like 95% of the players are on PC, how heavy the media's helping market and protect against negativity, and it being unable to recover a single iota of players every time there's a big update, 20k daily players is catastrophic.This is also on top of the fact that you can tell they were PISSED when the game released to only 80k players and got absolutely SHIT on by a rando indie game. 20k only looks like a lot because it's being compared to a very low 80k.Doesn't help they also burned up most of the good will of all the Marathon fans (all 50 of them, ngl) by making this garbage too, since now they're not gonna trust Bungie to make a real Marathon game unless there's some big public apology and public firings of anyone that thought this shit was a good idea.I mean, it's definitely not "a Concord" or "a Highguard", but that's the lowest of the low and people shouldn't truly expect that (regardless of how common it is.)What truly makes a game flop (normally, I mean) is that point where no matter what the devs do, no matter how desperate they get, no matter how many outlets give it a 10/10, the playercount simply doesn't go up, ever. They fix all the issues, add a 20-hour campaign, a giant skill tree, 1000 weapons and 10,000 attachments, and no player bump.Cyberpunk 2077 was going to go down that road, but then Triggerfags fell for the anime and revitalized it.I'm still mad about this because CP2077 isn't even that much better than it was because the plot's still welded to Johnny and made super linear because of him, so CDPR can't actually fix the plot at all or make alternate paths, having to resort to an entirely optional DLC as their only way to get around him.>inb4 a Marathon anime hits and saves Bungie>>737498483Arc Raiders isn't based on an existing singleplayer game.
>>737450647the new project is sending resumes to mcdonalds
>>737455563he already quit marathon bro...
>>737455954look at what they did to my boy...
