Please for the love of God someone hack Konami and leak MGS2's August 2001 beta...
>Game has ideas and content that didn't make it into the final game>LE UNFINISHED!!!!>WE WERE ROBBED OF TRVE GAME!!!Wait til lil bro finds out how game dev works
>>737447314>le trailer shows>Kojima-san starts laughing and saying 'yes, Snake is the main character'You got what you deserve for supporting a professional scammer
>>737447431does your dumb zoomer ass even know why you don't play Snake? it has everything to do with the themes of this game, play it again but this time try to pay attention, I know it's hard with your ADHD tiktok brain but try at least to focus for more than 8 seconds
>>737447407Yeah only half the fucking Tanker chapter was cut and replaced with a literal 20 minute ending cutscene without gameplay. Nothing of value you literal fucking retard.
>>737447764didn't they cut the tanker escape because it just wasn't fun according to kojima?
it's so aesthetic
>rushed piece of shit>still LUDOKINOSo this is the power of creative dad....
>>737448105Kojima is a faggot so I don't care what the fuck he says. The Tanker chapter is short enough with the escape sequence included, all you had to do was run back where you came from after Ocelot triggered the C4 in a time limit, how could that possibly not be a fun back half to the mission Metroid-style?
>>737448105>Kojima>making anything shorterDid you actually believe that?
>Tankerkino>first half of big shellkino>second half of big shellliteral movie, and boring on replay>arsenal gearsword is kind of fun, metal gear ray fight sucks, solidus main boss fight is goodAlso I feel the reveal that Jack was an elite child soldier raised by Solidus himself undermines the whole theme of a VR trained regular guy turning into Solid Snake. Doesn't really add anything. Also Raiden's VA sounds insanely cringe whenver he tries to talk serious and aggressive. He was a very poor casting choice.
>>737447314>rushedThe section was finished, they cut it because it wasn't fun. This kind of thing happens all the time in gamedev. Do you really think MGS2 needed another forced alert mode sequence?
>>737447734NTA but if you don't remember the bait and switch then you're definitely the only zoomer here.
>>737448725??? I fucking know all that you stupid motherfucker, I was there on day 1 when they showed the trailer for the first time at E3
>>737448692>Quinton Flynn >poor casting choideYour post was a very poor critical choice
>>737448709Yes and you didn't play the cut section so you have zero say
>>737447407kojima himself said he cut gameplay from mgs2 because of 9/11
>2026>neoseeker retards STILL bootymad that all of mgs2 wasn't just the tankerYou lost this argument decades ago. Get over it.
>>737448942Him trying to sound tough when explaining his child soldier ptsd is abhorrent delivery. He only sounds natural when he's talking like an oblivious goodboy. No range at all. Snake's VA can at least crack a joke in one scene and give an autismo military rant in another. I understand why people liked him.
>>737447314MGS2 is the best MGS.
>>737449343You have to be the only pseud on the internet who actually dislikes Quinton Flynn's performance as Raiden. Congratulations.
>>737449343Nah Flynn did a great job, Kojima obviously told him to sound weak and like a rookie and he sounds absolutely awesome in MGS4, he is THE Raiden voice.
>>737447314Imagine the framerate on a ps2 if they kept that water scene
I always hear people here praising Big Shells level design but for me its just an untextured boring ass setting with wayy too much backtracking. Even MG3 had more variety and it was mostly jungle
>>737449521>MGS2 fanboy appealing to popularity after losing an argument>>737449562I'm sure Japan doesn't agree he's THE voice. Anyways, the point in he isn't a weak rookie at this point in the story--he remembers that he's actually a veteran child soldier yet he still sounds like a sissy. It's offputting.
>>737449326I'll "get over it" when we get a beta leak. Or at least they put all the deleted sequences back into MGS2 Delta.
>>737449562Kojima did not work on the English dub of Metal Gear Solid 2.
>>737447314The tanker flooding was obviously inspired by The Abyss, right?
>>737449860He obviously greenlit who is voicing Raiden, stop playing dumb
>>737449326Don't care. Bring back the cut bosses too, Vamp reused three times was retarded.
>>737449343I feel like all of that was kinda the point.He's repressing his bad memories and in denial. He may as well be an amnesiac rookie.And then you find out he was a child soldier who was so good at it he got a nickname for it.
>>737449657the design of bigshell lends to lots of interesting stealth elements
>>737447314That section was cut because it was apparently not fun to play. I love MGS2, but I didn't need any extra bullshit in the tanker
>>737448515>all you had to do was run back where you came from after Ocelot triggered the C4 in a time limit, how could that possibly not be a fun back half to the mission Metroid-style?or how the backtracking felt in mgs1
>>737450192I'll need to play MGR again, but I'm pretty sure he still sounds just as sissy.
>>737450259>KojimboI don't give a damn what that piece of garbage said, do you understand me?
>>737450361https://youtu.be/TTxAlkD-xDI
>>737449657MGS1, 2, and 3 all have fantastic environments for totally different reasons. Big Shell's atmosphere is so eerie, I love it.>>737449832>MGS2 DeltaWhy the fuck would anyone want this?
>>737449927Yeah they took heavy inspiration from films. Titanic also came out not too long before it
>>737450431He made my favorite games as a kid, not you bub.
>>737450668these levels in mgs2 made me feel anxious (i was pretty young)
>>737450668Poseidon Adventure is ship sinking kino, too
I thought kojima would have cut it to add some ambiguity to whether snake went down with the tanker and implant the idea an imposter was running dead cell....but then you meet him again 15 minutes into the big shell.
>>737450016>obviouslyNo evidence exists to support your claim whatsoever
>>737450730Kojima is not the same person anymore. He's garbage.
>>737450831>...but then you meet him again 15 minutes into the big shell.Please tell me I wasn't the only one that was retarded enough to not know Iroquois Pilskin was Snake. I spent most the game thinking that Snake very well did die and that Pilskin was some other clone or some shit
>>737451000You're the most intelligent wojak and/or redditfrog poster on 4chan, congrats.
>>737451000>literally same face and same voice actor with same line deliveryI'll admit when I was young at the time I didn't pick up on the Escape from New York reference, but it had to be him. Who else and why else?Did you at least assume it was maybe another clone brother like Liquid and Solidus?
>>737447314>>737447764What I'm wondering about is when exactly the cut Harrier boss was supposed to be. After you escape the tanker or before?I'm assuming after since the entire mission begins when you land on the ship. So Snake probably escapes the ship followed by Liquid leaving New York with RAY, then Snake lands on the Verrazzano bridge somehow and then you fight the Harrier?
>>73744731424 years later and people are still mad they had to play as Raiden
>>737451225>Did you at least assume it was maybe another clone brother like Liquid and Solidus?Pretty much yeah. MGS1's M Night Shamalamadingdong twists primed me to expect some sort of twist because it just seemed to obvious to only be Solid Snake with a mustache and swirly glasses.
>>737449832>MUH DELETED CONTENTDid it ever occur to you that the people making the things you like are discerning enough to know when something isn't adding to the quality of the overall project? Or are you too overcome by your desire to consoom moar?
>>737450498>Why the fuck would anyone want this?It's happening whether you like it or not kek. Cope.
>>737450084ooof this also pains me would love to have a sniper duel with old guy the mentor "in that now pre flooded section in the game" i wodner what koji would throw at us with him and what could have been more...
>>737451438Anon its not about consooming most of the stuff was also deleted due 9/11 big shell was supposed to crash into manhatan, that wouldnt be good press right ? we see that stuff now from a different perspective but back then things were different
Isn't the statue of Liberty on ellis island? Wtf kind of Mandela effect is this
>>737451757>Goes past the island, knocking over the statue>Crashes into the middle of the city somehowWhats the problem here
crazy that 9/11 heavily changed the course of a mg game
>>737451757mistake-u havenu beenu made-u Gomennasai consomer-san AND FUCKU TOO
>>737451757Ellis Island is where the immigrants arrived and its a short distance from the statue so all the shots of it include them coming close to the statue. Its also managed by the same Statue of Liberty group so its understandable to mistake
>>737451256It is confirmed after.Tanker chapter was originally>Snake lands on tanker from bridge>searches for USP>fights Olga>searches for Metal Gear>Ocelot appears and steals RAY>escape from tanker and make way back to bridge>fights marine piloted Harrier when they think he was the one who sunk tanker>Otacon delivers Liquid's body to the sceneIt was quite a bit longer. You could probably refer to it as the first third of the game pre release.
>>737449657>I always hear people here praising Big Shells level designNobody but me praises Big Shell.
Wasn't MGS2 originally supposed to be titled MGS III? That makes perfect sense with the original tanker chapter's amount of content, and the Plant chapter's cut segments and bosses the game was basically two games in one. The III symbolizes Manhattan's buildings as well.https://youtu.be/iyti1MlmBiA
>>737448942he melds into the role by 4, but I agree with anon, him in 2 is pretty rough
>>737449343You literally don't get it, but that's ok. You're just retarded
>>737454469>name calling and thoughts of violenceyou're a nigger aren't you?
>>737453972fuck no you retard
>>737457575except you are wrong so who really is the retard here.You are!a big stinky retard, that's you!Ugly too and you have a gay affect when you speak.
>>737447314I was denied Ray rampaging through New York like Godzilla.
*slips off a connecting bridge*GAAAAAAAAAAAAH
