Picrel. No matter how many times I tried, I never made it more than 30 minutes in, and never once out of the first area. I can't stand how there's zero feedback when you shoot something. It completely takes me out
>>737447496yeah I don't like these open world action rpg type games either minecraft is one that i've tried a bunch but I usually lose motivation after a few in game days. even multiplayer with friends didn't interest me
It's just a meh game that garnered a very vocal cult following.Happens I guess.A real UNIVERSALLY acclaimed dogshit's gotta be Breath of the Wild
>>737448670>v faggots hating the best 3d fallout and thinking bethesda fallout the most reddit shit ever is better
>>737449907You can find infinite flaws in all 3 mainline games, but the Reddit crown goes to Mid Vegas.Btw mind you that the key quality the game had against its peers was its "writing", then half the game sounds like this
>>737447496>Fallout 4 kiddie trying to play older Fallout like it's a 1:1 COD shooter
>>737450478Anytime one of you faggots want to critique the writing of this game you always pic some random NPC and never actually go for the story. Meanwhile nothing has beaten the “use the radio” intelligence check in stupidity.
>>737450494>game adds a horde of new guns and related mechanics >then does nothing to improve the actual gameplay around them>uhhhh you're not meant to play it like a shooterOk the shooting part sucks, the open world part sucks, dialogue is like >>737450478, what are you even supposed to enjoy?
>>737447496Pls Consult the graph to See if you are right.
>>737450853>actual gameplay >an actual retard that can't understand gameplay mechanics of how stats should and do supersede direct input >thinks everything has to be regressive point in shoot for mentally stunted toddlers Yeah, fallout 4 really is up your alley. Also Alpha Protocol is still to this day the best direct implementation of gameplay of an action RPG precisely for the exact same reason. And the amount of dumb retards that still can't figure out why Thorton is incapable with a shotgun with only one skill point specced into that tree is staggering.
>>737451105why did they add iron sights if it's meant to be stats based?
>>737451023Can this be translated to non-goyslop?
>>737451183Because it was a missing and ancillary fps mechanic that people whined about from 3
>>737451023Filet-O-Fish is my favourite item from maccas, and of all games in the series, Fallout 4 is the one i've spent the most hours in. I unironically love the settlement mode.So I think your graph might be onto something...
>>737450746Retard everything in this game is experienced through dialogue. Including often RPG elements.If it sucks, the whole game suffers more than if the story did. A plain or even bad story can be carried or complement well written dialogue And that's admitting the story itself is anything excellent. It's fine, I wouldn't really bash it too hard, there's plenty of other games and kids' movies with worse plots. But you're telling me THAT's supposed to be the driving force through this slog? >>737451105Just stop.Enemy AI is still the same from Oblivion, and that dictates a cascade of bad gameplay in its combat. Namely, reliance on bullet sponges. NPC spotting, pathing, targeting, and decision making, and how the world geometry interacts with bullet paths and cover, all this can't welcome anything else than tedium in 3D combat. Have the player character deal too much damage, and it's a breeze. Lower the health of both and you'll randomly die like a Skyrim mage against high-level archers. So the entire 3D action part in which clearly they've invested dev effort and time is just a chore. I recently finally played Metro 2033 and it surprised me how functional fighting enemies is in that game. Everything is fragile yet lethal, strong weapons feel powerful, but you're still vulnerable and have to rely on outmaneuvering and cover heavily.Combat in New Vegas is bad, and it's not a hot take. Again, it's not unplayable, it's functional, but not good enough to be more enjoyable than not playing it at all..
>>737447496Pretty much any Bethesda game really
>>737452806Bethesda games haven't been critically acclaimed in 15 yearsIn their 40 years of existence, they had 9 as a critically acclaimed dev
>>737452506>Retard everything in this game is experienced through dialogue. Including often RPG elementsNo you have conflicts you can witness and read about you fucking troglodyte. I swear every faggot that cries about this game has never actually played it. They just prowl reddit for whatever image they can find and then regurgitate some shit some shittuber said.
>>737450478Why don't you idiots ever acknowledge that the Bethesda fallouts get far more discussion on leddit? Because that doesn't fit your retarded narrative?
>>737453161silly me using hyperbole against "writing" fans.ENOUGH content in this game is experienced through dialogue and dialogue boxes for it to be a major bottleneck. >some shittuber saidshittubers glaze this game like few others
I found new vegas's character building, gameplay and choices far more engaging than 4, in spite of taking the combat from nudoom wholesale from id. Characters all felt the same in 4 and i never had any desire to replay the game with different builds because no matter what you do you do the same shit, as well as all the quests just being clearing raiders with different skins from ruins. 4 is just a timesink that leaves you with less. I never felt "cool" in 4, while in the earlier games i kinda have an idea of how my character is, 4 is just nate or nora, instead of whatever autistic headcanon i make up playing. I guess 4 is for people who don't have head apples.
>>737453526You’re only crying hyperbole to cope with not being able to actually defend what you said so you have to act like you were exaggerating. In truth you have no actual criticism because you have never played the game. You just prowl around and gather information from others. >ENOUGH content in this game is experienced through dialogueSo this is what you’re going to go for after your first line of bullshit failed? Alright, you have gone out of your way to cherry pick shit to try and present it as the norm. >shittubers glaze this game like few othersAnd in equal measure seethe about it because it’s always held up with whatever slop they love and they always do the same shit with being reductive or cherry picking and then presenting it as the norm which is why I know that’s where you get your information from.
>>737453526Considering that nv is a well written game and is above and beyond the writing in a post kirkbride bethesda i dont really see the issue. I guess you don't like crpgs, so why bitch about something you dont like. You have a terrible opinion, good for you.
>>737447496i made it more than 30 minutes but nothing makes me drop a game faster than quest markers and a journal of gay busywork. the combat and classless system isn't very good either
/v/ spent literal years telling everyone how New Vegas is the best game ever made and how Obsidian is the savior of gaming and all this other delusional bs that's meant to paint Bethesda as this scary boogeyman who is hated by everyone who ever worked on classic Fallout. In reality Fallout is the most popular it's ever been primarily thanks to what Bethesda has done with it and the franchise is thriving to the point where it's basically a household name on par with Marvel or Star Wars. Meanwhile Obsidian released a couple of games that were just okay but retards still cling onto this almost 20 year old spin-off game as proof that they're the "better devs" because they want any reason they can get to stay angry at a fucking video game.
>>737454063You aren’t saying how it’s not a great game, you’re just saying that Bethesda is better because normalfag eat their slop more? Also no one gives a fuck about obsidian. You just think people do because you worship corporations and think everyone else does the same.
>>737454063Because star wars and marvel are popular because they're really really good right?
>>737452506>dtats dictate every aspect of gameplay Objectively good rpg deisgn love it or get over it. Being superior to some old shit like a generic brain dead fps is a brilliant thing
>>737454001Sounds like crpgs aren't for you
>>737454154Never said it's not a great game, just saying it's not the holy relic /v/ claims it to be. Maybe you should go back to school so you can learn to better comprehend what you're reading, anon.
>>737454358Considering how garbage almost all aaa games and Bethesda titles after nv are, yeah it kinda is a holy relic of good game design and writing. You can cope and sneeth about it faggot.
>737453304>737451105>737450746>737450494>737449907>737453809 If you carefully read through the thread the only people mentioning other bethesda fallouts are you>>737453772are you an LLM? how many letters are in strawberry backwards?
I love that anons are still seething about new Vegas today and will be seething in 10 years when it’s still a staple of board decision
>>737454336new vegas isn't a crpg, it's a first person shooteri like crpgs, but not really real time or open world ones
>>737454483Holy shit you sound mad lol. Imagine getting this angry this fast over a fucking 20 year old video game.
>>737454584It's both dude. You can be a crpg and a shooter.
>>737447496Understandable. For me the sound effects and the little blood splutter were enough more or less. Some melee weapons also slightly push enemies back which adds the oomph to it. Sure, it could be better but it works well enough, the movement of my own character is sufficiently snappy, and the roleplaying aspect is one of the most solid I've seen in RPGs.
>>737454616Yeah mayne fuck caring about stuff n shit
>>737450478Tell me what the problem with this line is without appealing to guilt by association.
>>737454312Yeah for a digital board game or a more complex turn-based menu-based game.It's a 3D open-world action-adventure game with rpg elements.
>>737454584It's an rpg first and foremost making up the bulk of its gameplay with tacked on less important fps mechanics.
>>737451226Here you go.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3lbxMfFTb4
>>737454628you need a certain degree of abstraction to be an rpg. deus ex is about as on the action spectrum as i'd go. new vegas is way too action oriented. traditional fps mechanics are too heavily rewarded>>737454784inverse is true for me
>>737447496Borderlands 1 and 2. Gave the second more than one chance. They are excruciatingly boring.
>>737454063>popular>Marvel>Star WarsAnons, how does it feel to share a board with this creature?
>>737454684Imagine caring this much over a video game and the opinions of randos on the internet lmao
>>737454872pretty fun for the first 6 hours but man does it get repetitive. maybe multiplayer saves it
>>737447496BotW - King of hard to get excited about exploring a world when all there is to find is shrines and korok seeds.RDR2 - Absolutely dreadfully boring experience with one of the most overrated stories I've ever seen. I remember liking RDR1 but maybe my tastes have changed a lot since then.Mario Odyssey - I guess it would be fun if I was 7 years old but the game is so braindead easy I can't remember anything I did besides the final escape sequence.Cyberpunk 2077 - Even if I ignored the technical state the game released in, it's at best an 8/10 experience with a story that's nothing special and barely ok gameplay.
>>737447496literal Tranny game in a spiritual level.where they try to gaslight you into thinking that it is something that it isn't.>>737449907best 3D fallout was tactics tho, you faggot.
>>737454957They were made with multiplayer in mind I think
>>737447496I got tired of souls games after das3
>>737454358It is though along with plenty of other games
>>737454486So like I said you didn’t play the game and were just regurgitating shit you’ve heard other people say and now have to deflect to cope with being unable to defend it. Go back to your shitty subreddit and cry there.
>>737455642You've reached siege mentality over a video game. Get some air
>>737456015No you lost the argument and outed yourself as a retard now you have to cry and trivialize while also devolving into ad hominem. You were the one who started this and now that you have nothing else you have to throw a tantrum.
>>737456138Stop, he's already regressed to full on normalfag retreat. It's too funny.
>>737447496only good on 2008 to 2014 hardware or linuxlags like shit on win 10technical mess no matter what desuidk how 3 gets so much shit when all its missing is ironsights
>>737456414character/exploration/questing gameplay all is universally agreed to be worse. So no, one small component of combat gameplay is not all its missing.
>>737456138Actually let me further explain since I actually doubt you'd get You were unable to read the the most commo- A very common type of hyperbole (example: there's "nothing" to explore in BoTW meaning: "Its scattered contents, too often relying on korok seeds and shrines, are too bland and repetitive for exploration to feel rewarding or exploration at all" despite those being arguably "something" and therefore not nothing), and when faced with the paraphrase, you read it as "walking back" and a confirmation of your conspiracy. That someone is lying about their identity and motives, being instead a known enemy of yours (people regurgitating YouTube videos), deliberately to attack either you or something you care about.This isn't a heated, pointless, but entertaining argument. People do that shit in self-regulating high-control groups.Even if it was as good as you say it is, there's no way New Vegas is worth doing this to the social part of your brain.
>>737454870>new vegas is way too action oriented.Deus Ex has more combat than New Vegas
>>737447496bald gay 3 for mei think i tried to get into this game 3 times, 2 times solo and 1 in coop with friends and every single time i tapped out eventually
>>737454870>traditional fps mechanics are too heavily rewardedAlso, this is a load of horseshit if you're solely comparing Deus Ex to New Vegas.DX is utterly trivialized from start to finish by simply killing all hostiles in a level.
>>737456642>You were unable to read the the most commo- A very common type of hyperboleI called that out as a cope and you had nothing for it and when I addressed your next cope argument deflected. And now you’re trying to double back now that you realized you fucked up by trying to trivialize and cry. While sperging out that I am not falling for your cope about it being hyperbole.>people regurgitating YouTube videosWhich you are since you have no counter to what I have said and are just bitching that I don’t believe you. >This isn't a heated, pointlessIf it was pointless you wouldn’t have typed all this bullshit out and just left. It’s as I said you lost and have to trivialize. If you don’t care and none of this matters then leave. The only thing you’re doing is showing that you need to say it doesn’t matter to cope.
>>737456680but the combat in deus ex is more abstracted. icewind dale is even further on the abstraction side and therefore more of an rpg, even though it's more combat oriented >>737456919the process of killing relies more on stats in dude sex than in new vegas. you can't really run n gun in the early game because of how important the stats are
>>737447496I've played most of the FF games obsessively but for some reason I just always get bored with this one.
>>737456991Nu-uh. That's your cope to completely forget an entire argument or two because you can't fucking read.so let's go over them again.1st. A significant amount of content is delivered through a dialogue box, and a lot of your time is spent talking with friendly NPCs (hyperbole: everything). So good writing in said dialogue is significantly important, as much if not more the overall plot.2nd. New Vegas’ combat is weak because it’s built on Oblivion‑era AI, which can’t handle modern gunplay. Enemies spot, move, and fight poorly, so the game compensates with bullet sponges for which any damage tuning makes tedium even worse. Geometry and hit detection are unreliable, making firefights clunky. Dedicated shooters like Metro 2033 don't lack human bullet sponges because there's no rpg stats, but because between good AI and the game's geometry, it allows for lethal weapons and thus movement that matters. This said, New Vegas’ combat is functional but tedious, and rarely enjoyable.then:burden of proof on the accuser. I'm lying that I played it? prove it. What video am I referencing? >If it was pointless you wouldn’tPointless BUT entertaining, did you forget to read the whole thing? do you not understand cause-and-effect or B1 English? en-ter-tain-ing something that provides amusement, enjoyment, or diversionAre you also>>737456564 ?That would explain muchYou might genuinely be illiterate. In this case, that guy was talking about technical performance. F3 got a lot of shit on release for being technically incomplete, that's what he's referring to.
>>737447496tranny game
>>737458534You’re literally saying “nu uh” like a fucking toddler and just repeating the same shit. >Pointless BUT entertainingWhich is your cope to fall back on now that you have nothing else. You have to say that you’re not taking is seriously yet type out all this bullshit trying desperately to defend another cope. Not to mention you’re bringing up something that wasn’t even discussed just to try and desperately deflect again. Imagine going from desperately trivializing every to sperging out to try and justify the argument you lost.
>>737459262I literally said it before i cannot fucking believe this nigger ape gorilla how can you be so indian i'm fucking rolling
>>737459432Yes I said you did, all you can do is repeat shit that’s already addressed because you can’t handle being wrong and have to go in circles. And this after you tried trivializing. You’re just throwing a fit because you’re a faggot that has to repeat shit he hears other retards say and bitch about a game he’s never played.
>>737454940Imagine being a worthless waste of space (Like you! :))with absolutely nothing of worth to contribute.
>>737459659Alright, that's enough, from here on is just sad for both.
>>737460236You lost fuck off and go cry about the game you didn’t play on reddit.
>>737447496Monster Hunter 3DS era. Too sluggish movement for me
>>737460236 >posts Talos screenshot like he’s ascending above the argument You don’t get to pretend you’re the enlightened one after 20 posts of screeching and slinging slurs lmao. “Alright that’s enough” yeah no shit, you ran out of steam.If it’s sad for both then stop replying. You don’t get moral high ground points for announcing your retreat with a philosophy game JPEG.Either argue the point or take your own advice and shut it down. Don’t try to pivot into smug robotposting like you transcended it all.
>>737452506>Enemy AI is still the same from Oblivion, and that dictates a cascade of bad gameplay in its combat.Never played Oblivion but coming from a non-tactical game made in 2010, that got rushed to boost, the AI is far more smarter than you give it credit for. Y-22 Trauma Hareness actually pulled a battle drill in Z-43 Toxins Plants when they backed me in a corner and had one of them move into my sights so I would trigger VATS while the other 3 held their positions until the animation started and then as time slowed down they rushed in to flank me from a blind angle. Playing JSawyer's mod on Hard has created some surprising and clever fights that I don't recall happening in games like these 15 years ago.
