Marine squad deployed.
Which pear?
>>737459250dis pear
I still have hope for DoW4
>>737459385I do too
>>737459385can’t be any worse than the last one
>>737459516What last one? There was only 2. They just put 4 because of the 4 factions killing each other. There was never a 3.
>>737459385I can see maps being a problem. Everytime we see scraps of gameplay they feel cramped, even worse when you look at minimap.
>>737459385>inserts Dork Angels, the most popular chapter of Spess Mehreens out there>inserts Lion El'Johnson as a playable characterSuddenly there's no point to the Blood Ravens anymore.
>>737459385'ERE WE GO'ERE WE GO'ERE WE GO
>>737459581exactly
>>737458887Walk softly, and carry a big gun.
>>737459682I don’t want to play dork angels so that’s reason enough for me
>>737459682Johnson is a campaign character only.
as pointless as the rerelease is for DOW1 i heard that it opened up a lot of modding possibilites changing it from 32 to 64 bit. has there been anythign cool done yet to justify buying the re"master"?
>>737459824He's on the regular DAngels roster, anon.
https://www.ign.com/articles/we-didnt-really-care-about-balance-how-the-developers-of-warhammer-40000-dawn-of-war-4-made-primarch-lion-eljonson-playable-in-gameIncorrect. Ignore the title, it's in regards to the single campaign mission Lion is playable with. He isn't available in multiplayer.
>>737459682As much as I like the Blood Ravens, they’re a small time chapter in the wider galaxy, and the whole point of using them was to tell whatever story Relic wanted without having to be concerned with the big name chapters. Why now bring in the Dark Angels and steal the spotlight away from them?
>>737462103Because the Dark Angels are their gene daddy
>>737462356They don't display schizo Dork Angels tendencies and aren't super secretive.Games Workshop has all but handwaved that they're loyalist TSons who weren't on Prospero when all shit went down.
>>737459682Autists on imageboards are a tiny minority of the fandom. Whether you like it or not, smurfs are by far the most popular. Even Blood Angels are more popular than DA
>>737462494It was a literal plot point in DoW2 that the Ravens were so secretive about their inner workings that the Chapter was at war with itself and half of them didn’t even know it. They didn’t even know their own Chapter Master and Chief Librarian was the cause. The Blood Ravens are all about secrecy and hidden knowledge.
Expectations for DLC?Guaranteed Tier:>Eldar>Black Legion >Guard>NidsMaybe later Tier:>Sisters>Tau>Death Guard>Thousand Sons>World Eaters>Grey KnightsNever ever:>Genestealer Cults>Votann>Daemons>Emperor's Children
>>737462510Based on what?
>>737462834Sales.
>>737462870Of... What? Someone buying Intercessors doesn't mean they're all being painted as Ultramarines. We don't get sales numbers for specific models like Epic Heroes. At most we get news when a model or launch does very well and it's not specific.
>>737458887
>>737462972Not that guy, but general sales of the kits suggest that most people who buy Marine minis mostly stick to the vanilla codex as well, as it’s also the best selling of the Marine factions. But since all imperial factions use a lot of the same minis it might be skewed because of it.
>>737459303>New Thousands Sons Combat Patrol has a Daemon Prince in itDid GW get tired of everyone crying about Tzaangors?
>>737459385The trailers seem to get worse and worse, but judging a game's quality by the quality of its cinematic, gameplay-bereft trailers is rarely ever productive. What little footage that is shown on the product page seems alright, though. It's hard to beat DoW1, though.
>>737462972Local gamestores do tell people what their best sellers are occasionally, that's how we know Farsight sold like hotcakes. We can also compare codices and tournament entries.>But tournaments only reflect what's meta!Not true. Codex Space Marines still had the highest entrants when it had a <40% winrate.
>>737458887OOOOOH TO WALK THE BLOOD STAINED GROUND!
>>737463059Yes but that's my point. That only shows that people are buying Codex compliant marine armies. That doesn't specifically entail painting them as Ultramarines. Or really exclude non codex compliant space marine armies since then you just buy one supplementary army set or combat patrol and you've often got what you need for a 500-1000 point army.
>>737462784>ExpectationsI honestly see them doing a few of the unique Marine Chapters before Eldar and Nids. Dark Angels already have a separate roster and have plenty of units to fill out a mini-DLC, and that's almost on the small side compared to Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Black Templars.
>>737463241Okay but we're specifically talking about Ultramarines specifically being the most popular faction in the setting. I'm not disputing codex compliant marine armies are very common as they're pretty ubiquitous to entering the hobby.
I unironically couldn't beat Winter Assault's final mission when I was younger, I should go back to it one day.
>>737463423>Dark Angels already have a separate rosterThey don't have a single unique unit outside of the lion and he's more of a gimmick hero for the campaign.
>>737463031>the Tau stronghold mission in Soulstorm
Winter Assault giving the Guard a heroic victory along with a somber double-cross on the Eldar only to make the dogshit half-baked Eldar side canon feels insulting
>AWOO WITH ME BR - ACK!
>>737463669Soulstorm was the weakest of the bunch for DoW1
>>737463669>the only stronghold mission where the enemy spams upper-tier and relic units as if it were a VH skimish AI>and has a "you're fucked" timer
>>737463906People were pretty turned on by that Titan short film. How have we not gotten Titan Battletech yet?
>Man I'm angry that my primarch's father was an asshole to him 10000 years ago>Guess I'll shit up the galaxy and make everyone's lives worse with no endgoal>Luckily, I have insane screaming murder-demons on my side, so I know I'm in the rightChaos is a joke.
>>737459385I don’t know who’s making the trailers for DoW4, whether it’s King Art Games or someone else, but they honestly make me not want to play the game.
>>737464208The Endgoal is either becoming king of some planet taken from the Imperium or becoming a Daemon Prince, which is pretty much a god. Not a capital G god, but still.
>>737458887it's actually crazy how little you have to micro in this game.
>>737463669Let me guess, you "need" more
>>737465317It can get hairy sometimes with large, mixed-ranged units like the IG, though I've heard the remastered edition has fixed that somewhat.
>>737465317As it should be
>>737458887There is no such thing as innocence... only degrees of guilt
>ancient as fuck game>still get chills from itwhat kind of sorcery did they use to manufacture dawn of war...??
DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO!?
>I FEAR NO EVIL, FOR I AM FEAR INCARNATE
SINDRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
>>737465961WITNESSYOURDOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM
>>737465961>>737466278SANITY is for the WEAK
>*angry robot noises*
>>737463669JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE THERE
>>737466484Still gets a chuckle out of me after all this time.
the banner...RAISE THE BANNER
>>737463423You can expect they will add multiple named character DLCs lining up with tabletop product releases
>>737458887>hit 30 years old>immediately want to kind of drop playing as many video games and get into hobbying like 40k What causes this. I feel like this is a pretty common occurrence.
>>737466938Pro tip; fucking don't.40k is abhorrently expensive, the game itself is in the worst spot genuinely ever (and 11th Edition is already looking to be worse), and the lore is at an all time low.Like maybe get a box of minis you like and just paint them up, but don't get them first-hand from GW.
>>737467103I've heard the tabletop is getting better over time? From what I understand the other editions of 40k were prohibitively confusing and hard to learn. I suppose you lose 'something' by simplifying the game.
>>737467716>>737467716>I've heard the tabletop is getting better over time
>>737467716It is, yeah. 40k right now is the most balanced and accessible its ever been, but id wait for 11e to come out first if youre looking on getting into it
>>737467716I'm going to give you a genuine answer, but if it turns out you're baiting, I will drop on your location.The previous editions were "complicated" because the game was incredibly reactive. To play competitively, you needed to know how each of your units acted and reacted, as well as how every other unit from every other race acted and reacted. Then, you needed to remember how each weapon rolls, special abilities, unique phases, movement, cover rules, and so on. The game was a massive gate kept locked because of financial, time, and memorization constraints. This is what made the game objectively good and fun. At no point was any player not doing something.This was bad for GeeDubs. Smart players, which are the majority of the ones they had in their market, don't buy new models, because their old ones work just fine. Stupid players were physically, mentally, and emotionally incapable of entering the game. Changing the base sizes of the models wasn't enough to give them more easy money. So, George Washington decided to make the game stupid, so they could take advantage of stupid people's money.Now, the game is played where one person has a full turn, and then the other person has a full turn, and there's very little interaction. It's boring. It's a waste of time. A game's conclusion can be deduced with basic arithmetic before anyone puts a model down.And I hate it.
>>737468120How far back are you going with this? Because 6th-7th was when the power creep was at its absolute worst before GW decided to “simplify” the rules down to 13 pages…except that was a fucking lie. They shifted the complexity to all the codexes and their dumb as fuck stratagems. 4th was probably most player friendly for customization of army lists as every single unit could have dozens of options for upgrades and war gear that could alter how the unit played on the table. The infamous distraction carnifex came from this edition for example. I remember facing off against genestealers with 4+ saves, 12” charges on top of rending claws and like 4 attacks each. They were a menace, but also expensive points wise.
>>737469503There's still plenty of interaction and back and forth with things like stratagems and certain abilities, its just that now turns can take a reasonable amount of time
>>737469503Same point in time, 4th/5th. For me, it was a DISTRACTION DRED. Infantry army = nearly no enemy anti-tank = Deff Dred that is free to krump on everything until finally taken out, and by then the boyz are stomin' all ovah dem gitz.
>make a game>drasitcall change the rules of said game every three years>spend the next three years tweaking said version of game>redo entire game againI will never, ever, EVER play this dogshit. GW is a company that sells models first and books second and doesn't give a shit about printed rules. Their books are worth less than toilet paper.
>>737469846Wargames that stick to the exact same ruleset forever wane and die inevitably, you need to shake up things or people will get bored once the game is solved
>>737459385Hope is the first step on the road to dissappointment.
>>737469674We’re talking 40k, it’s primary means of interaction has usually been “I roll to hit, to wound, and you roll to save. Remove x number of models afterwards” because it’s always been a “you take your whole turn, then I take my whole turn” style of game. The stratagems are a band aid on top of that system and only showcase how most games tended to be decided around turn 3-4, sometimes by turn 2 depending on how poorly one player deployed or not. Battletech is more interactive between players, so is warmachine/hordes. 40ks systems definitely don’t encourage interaction, it encourages alpha strikes to remove as much of your opponents pieces before they can do the same to you while also positioning yourself to reduce incoming retaliation.The only difference between them and now is how fast the game moves.
>>737458887My face is my shield.
>>737469846That's why it's plastic crack. Lore and other shit are only considered if it'll affect plastic crack sale.Tabletopfags losing their shit with JUST PAINT YOUR KRIEG YELLOW was fucking funny with GW backpedaling saying LOOK WE HAVE STEEL LEGION PLANNED.
>>737469846Necromunda chads stay winning
>>737467716Yes. The tabletop had a huge slump during 6e and 7e where it almost died, but has progressively been getting better with each passing edition. At the moment it is very easy to learn, set up and play, its biggest flaws being very boring scenery and usual balance dumbsittery
SQUAD BROKEN
>>737459385Gabe? Is it truly you after all these years?
>>737458887going from dow1 to dow2 was crazy disappointing idk how the franchise made it to 3 and now we're getting 4 too
>>737468120but like in the case of someone like me, who is new to the hobby and wants to learn it, the newer editions make it easier to just pick up and learn. I know that for lots of things, mostly video games, people tend to like super high skill floor and ceiling games because it rewards knowledge. But especially for something like a tabletop game where you physically have to go and play it, to me making it easier to learn seems like a positive even if it means the skill floor is a bit lower.
>>737469846>meanwhile OP logs into World of Warcraft, CoD, or any other live service title that gets balancing updating that nerfs/buffs content at a whimIts the same shit
>>737465317Yes.
REJOICE IN THE COMING OBLIVION
>>737471903ALL SINNERS FEAR THE EMPERORS WRATH.
Thoughts on the new design for Gorgutz?I personally like it, at least it isn't as goofy as Three's design
>>737472514Looks orky, what more could you ask for?
>>737472514He gets progressively bigger with each time he appears.
>>737459385AW HELL NAW, DEES NECRO CRACKAS BE WACK
>>737472945Damn, I wasn't expecting the Dark Mechanicus.
>>737459682Oh Long Johnson will probably be like the ultrasmurf flagship in the campaign of the space ship game part 2
>>737464208>chaos has no believable motivesclassic Imperial thinking
>>737472893Seems normal for an Ork
>>737472945george droid
>>737459682Faggot Ravens were never relevant. At least Blood Angles had, past tense, a cool primarch.
>>737461890El Lion definitely won't be the only primarch to appearWho else will appear bros???
>>737467716The actual miniatures game has consistently been the worst part of 40k ever since the beginning. GW just isn't very good at writing rules.
>>737463669BOREALUM
>>737459682>the most popular chapter of Spess Mehreens out thereWut? Ultramarines, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves are the most popular chapters. Ultramarines because of all the shilling they get, Blood Angels because they're vampire berserkers with an uber popular primarch, and Space Wolves because they're basically vikings
>>737468120I was dispelled from this idea that 40k was a dynamic and engaging game after ONE game of Infinity.>Now, the game is played where one person has a full turn, and then the other person has a full turn, and there's very little interaction. Has always been true for 40k.
>>737473430Lorgar
>>737462784honestly I would put votann in maybe tier since they are already making an apperance in Mechanicus 2
>>737469941Counterpoint: Battletech
>>737473637CGL is threatening to change the rules.
He who stands with me shall be my brother.
BATTEL BRUVVAS
>>737458887FIRE ALL GUNS
>>737474454SPESS MEHREENS
>>737458887DoW might genuinely be the most SOULFUL rts of all timeif you disagree direct me to your pick so I may evaluate
>>737474497DoW1 is when 40k was still good. 4th edition has always been soulful. With 5th edition the cracks started to show, and by 6th edition it was over. Now you can imagine how dogshit all these nu-40k games are when they're based on 10th edition slop.
>>737474454THERE IS NO TIME TO BE LORST
I'm gonna say it.DoW 2 with Elite mod > DoW 1 DefinitiveDon't care about singleplayer
>>737474476THE ENEMY IS AT OUAH DOOR
>>737474497The definitely picked the right family to voice 90% of the game for them.
>>737474473FULL INFERNO
>>737474497>Mammoth advancing.They had some strong competition back in the day.
>>737474752Elite mod got me when I saw their great army specific schemes. Raven Guard and World Eaters are the best
>>737474906Dobson and Scott McNeil are the best voices in any 40k media
>>737459385hahahahahahahaha
>>737463669This isn't too bad.>Get beginning and base sorted out>Take the cannon, reinforce the western objective a little since the AI throws units there>Clear out base to the southeast and delay their reinforcements>Work up northeast and clear everything out before going back west>Your pick of a gauntlet to smash through with a deathball, or trying to abuse flyers, jump units, and/or artillery to bypass it and take out the base earlier, some armies can bumrush itThe IG one on the other hand has a lot of bullshit going on at once with a pretty active force and ends up punishing you for taking out production buildings too early, whilst also deep striking a sizeable force into your base because you inadvertently set off a trigger. I can't say the Sisters one is too great since it's just board cleaning anyway, but you get a fantastic bonus from that at least.CSM and Eldar are annoying in their own different ways, and the Necron one is really just trying to get a headlock on the timers while defending your base from respawning waves.
>>737459385I really hope we can turn off or mod out all the dust and fog effects. Let me fucking look at the dudes fighting, i don't play for about atmospheric effects or realism weather
>>737473430Surprise Perty appearance as a boss.
>>737459516Based on the trend line I'd say it is highly likely.
>>737472945This thing showed up in the first trailers like a year ago, and up to the moment she spoke this entire time I though she was a man. Holy fuck, what a profoundly unnapealing design, I'd rather have most of her face covered in mechanical body horror. A recurring issue with faces, Orion also looks whack, like his head is too big for his body. Their minature design doesn't work for human faces
>>737459385I had some hope until the Mechaniggus trailer, not even talking just about George Droid, the entire thing was badly made.
>>737472945AYO DIS NIGGA BE POWERED BY THEM FENT REACTOR, SHIEEEEEET MUDDAFAKA BIX NOOD!!
I hate the way DoW2 has the glossy shiny look and much prefer the dulled matt look of DoW1.
>>737472945>WHEN MY BODY COULDN'T BREATHE>IT DISGUSTED ME
>>737472893That is how it's supposed to work, yeah. Orks don't grow old, they grow bigger, unless you put them in confinement where they can't get any fights.
>>737473430>imperiumfags bitch about female custodes while posting shit like thislmao
>>737477859Rule 63 is a time-honoured tradition that has nothing to do with Feminism.
>>737473430My dumb wife Lorgar!
>>737473430r63!vulkan should still be bald
>>737477923>turning men into women is a time honored tradition of impfagsyeah we know
>>737459385Is it RETVRN TO FORM of a proper DoW1 style RTS or another attempt at MOBAslop hybrid?
>>737465961WHY AREN'T WE KILLING YET?
>>737471646>VIRGIN SEX-HAVER>CHAD MASTURBATOR
YOU BOYZ IS TOO HEALFY... I'm leavin
SINDRI!!
>>737477854orks technically still get bigger, just not in the way they want
MASSACRE THE WEAK
>>737478347You do realize that once they are gone, you will be the one forced to take over their cocksucking duties, right?
>>737474454>the Codex Astartes calls this maneuver>STEEEL REHN
>>737477591>i want to jerk off, where is my jerkoff material.daily reminder that the culturewar idiots and cumbrains are tourists first and foremost. 40K is a pretty sexless universe, picrel's top is battlesister veridya how she was in the 90s vs how she is now. cummers are the reason why we now have leather corset dollfaced sisters of battle. abhumans on /v/ are posting halfnaked female xeno's drawn/A.I generated by tourist artfags from twitter that look nothing like how they actually look. (Tau are purple-skinned slugnoid creatures for example and not dollar store na'vi smurfettes) games workshop noticesin this thread i see clowns to my right, and jesters to the left and slaanesh sitting on a throne held up by her redditor gimps.
>>737459385retard
>>737479279>blah blah blah projectiongays and trannies not welcome
>>737477923She looks so fucking goofy with that frontal horn. Primarch or not, daemon or not, I'd probably ridicule her in front her entire legion for that.
test
>>737458887is there a mod that gives you the hard ai on normal difficulty for dark crusade or soulstorm? i hate giving the enemy 50% more hp just so they don't sit in their base building 2 squads for 40 minutes
>>737479324Not your hobby, sweaty
>>737479279what about deldar and slaanesh shit
>>737479435it's sweety
>>737479435Unlike you I don't need permissions, freak
>>737479279Everyone was having a nice time, talking about the games, and you had to go and be a faggot.>>737479435And you're not any better. Both of you can go be buttbuddies some where else.
>>737464069They made that years ago now.
>>737479279You're retarded, anon. This isn't an ask for sexy techpriests, this is an issue with awkward and odious proportions and unintersting design. Removing the lower jaw and replacing it with dribbling spittle and pipes would be a huge improvement over this slop ogreAnd since you brought it up, picrel if you think DoW was ever beyond what you would call jerkoff material
>devs: "gabriel engelos isn't in the game because he's too overpowered">also devs: "here's a primarch, the entire intention is for him to be overpowered"the game screams corposlop, especially when you see the faction rosters and noyhing "old" (that they still sell) is in itgotta be whats new
>>737480829He's also a disingenuous faggot that is ignoring the old daemonette models that existed with lithe, faerie like appearance and tits rather blatantly hanging out. Or the old SoB Repentia that were even more nude than the current models are. Or the many Fantasy models that had some sexuality to them, the old model for Vlad von Carstein's wife was basically a skirt where the panties were pretty visible.
>>737459682Yeah I hate it when a 40k theater of OCs gets invaded by the big named characters, had the same problem with Space Marine doing it. I know the people writing the story literally aren't allowed to get them killed, so...
>>737481034Starting to speak my language.
>>737480984>devs: "gabriel engelos isn't in the game because he's too overpowered">also devs: "here's a primarch, the entire intention is for him to be overpowered"Yeah, that's makes perfect sense. Cyrus generic Captain is the protagonist, not a Chapter Master. Overpowered unique character is the one that shows up like Gabriel in DoW2 in last mission as a gimmik.>the game screams corposlop, especially when you see the faction rosters and noyhing "old" (that they still sell) is in itgotta be whats newThis is how it always was
Just bought DE a few day agoWhy they fuck auto reinforcement keep getting bugged?And the idle worker hotkey is not working.
>>737459682>most popular>Traitor Angels
>>737459385Your road to disappointment begins
>>737459385I want to know how they made melee look good but seem to struggle with range animations?
>>737480984Orks will still be landing with lots of units whose current models are like five editions old, 5th ed sculpts have aged fine
i hope word bearers show up like in Dark Crusade.
>>737463669>dc tau hq>tried to play it as a stealth assassination mission just defending the base while sending vindicares sneaking by everyone and taking out the etheral>ethereal has giga-inflated hp>can take him out in one cycle with 2 vindicare (1 honorguard) with 4 shots total where it still feels kind of cinematic>try same with sm snipers>takes one million shots to take down>ends up with thiswas still fun to try
>>737481413The real problem are the bolters and ork dakkas. Bullets look comical and almost all of them sound like toy guns
>>737474497Homeworld is the pinnacle IMO, Relic really was the GOAT back then.
>>737481563Of all the stronghold missions in DC, the Tau and the Eldar ones are the worst by a country mile. One is a constant gauntlet of those little blue shits ambushing you with stealthsuits, fortified Broadsides, and other shit. The other is an enemy that actually makes you fight 2 other armies before you deal with them, and trying to break their final line of defense is nigh impossible because the AI will get extra of limited units they normally aren't allowed to have. The Eldar unironically become a harder nut to crack than the IG in their stronghold mission.
>>737481752
>>737481563Doesn't the Vindicare deal massive damage against heroes while scout snipers are only good for shitters and morale breaking?
I’Z DED ‘ARD AN’ REDDY FER STOMPIN’!
>>737481847pretty much yeah, just didn't think it'd be that much of a difference, basically this experiment showed just how good vindicares are at killing heroes
>>737481893>The assassin meant to kill high priority targets is good at killing high priority targets.Shocking, truly shocking.
ORKZ ORKZ ORKZ ORKZ (SHADDUP LADS) ORKZ ORKZ ORKZ
>>737481794it's why I play mostly guard since not only are they fun and versatile, but you can counter the cheese with your own cheese with artillery, can turn attacking entrenched positions into something kind of fun as you prod with vindicares and the hq flare, then take out buildings with the super rounds and moving up your lines.
>>737468120>Now, the game is played where one person has a full turn, and then the other person has a full turn, and there's very little interactionWhat, like chess?
>>737482073Chess would only be comparable if each player made actions with every single one of his pieces in each turn before the other player did with his
>BUCK BROKEN
>>737482060IG are indeed great, but are saddled with Guardsmen, who have the comically lowest base morale of any unit in the game. Even Grot squads have more, at 150 to the Guardsmen at 100. They get better, but that is a horrible place to start and skirmish IG have quite the hill to climb before you can start churning out their armored units.
>>737467103Secondary take.
>>737459385I've already lost hope after seeing the trailer with niggress
>>737467103Buy second hand on eBay a lot of the older minis look better too imo but your opinions might vary.
>>737481563>>737481847>>737481950Early Relic had this stupid idea to hide useful information from players (armor/ penetration/ special bonuses) because "its more cinematic this way".It took CoH2 to start realizing how retarded idea it is, mainly because it creates hordes of uninformed "faction fans" that claim some bad units are OP or that the are no counters to some strategies.
>>737482218CoH2 is fucking dogshit
>>737481347>>737473583>>737462510
>>737482154this is true but, placing your guys in the buildings where they get a plasma and a heavy bolter has saved my ass from many a early rush, especially if the opponent have honor guard, surviving like that then trying to get hellhounds out as they bash your hq can also be a fun turnaround. Imo too many infantr yunits have anti vehicle capabilities in this game though, so often they just melt, kind of wish they kept it a bit more armor vs armor
DoW2 had the best single player campagn(s)
>>737482304i had a look of the dark angels reddit and it was just full of naked black chicks
>>737482304What's a chart about the most popular SUCCESSOR chapters got to do with anything?
>>737482113So 40k would be acceptable if each player moved one unit at a time?Seems kind of like you need to be moving everything at once so I don't see the issue.
>>737482267Nice opinion, but not what is discussed here.
>>737482364You can see the big 12 on it as wellDangels seem to be the most popular Marines consistently
>>737473583do you have any models with decals on them?
>>737458887> Posting is the first step on the road to disappointment.
>>737482363proof?
>>737481950>reading comprehensionwhether they were good or not was never in question retard
>>737482584https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkAngels/
>>737465961>DO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO!?
>>737481840
>>737478014I like how they have a voice line that can be described as having a seizure
Hopefully this thing dies early so that DoW4 will live, full and free.
>>737459682>No Angelos because he would be too overpowered>Add a PrimarchHuh?
>>737468120What is this made up retarded garbage? 40k was never reactive at all. The only thing 90% of factions could do was fire overwatch or pop a strat that gave you -2 to your charge while it's your turn. The only faction that could consistently act during your turn were Eldar and people fucking hated them for that. Competitive play was also not locked behind masterful strategy and game knowledge but mostly behind meta strategies. You look at an old Las Vegas Open and almost every final will be a mirror match of the current broken army (mostly eldar). Competitively speaking, 40k is the most balanced and fair it has ever been. The reason people dislike 10th is because GW prioritized competitive play over casual play and trimmed most of the "fat" from the game except that fat was what gave the game flavor. Yeah: it might be overkill for every faction to have 20 strategems each, lots of them only working on one specific unit but shit like that made units feel unique. Having clear unambiguous terrain rules makes competitive much easier but it also means everyone is just using L shape ruins and every table looks the same.Rerolls and static stat bonuses make the game a lot less random but they also make it far more lethal meaning every board has to have one of the three tournament layouts or you will just lose half your army turn 1 to a gunline. You are a secondary nigger.
>>737482990It wont. It's literally too big to die. If anything DoW4 will quickly fall into obscurity just like DoW3.
>>737483108NO - THIS CANNOT BE
>>737482990The prole masses love TW.
>Get saved by your father right as your adoptive father is about to kill you>Swear allegiance to your father as you agreed to do>Be given an entire army of super soldiers to do your bidding>Be mad at dad because he 'stole' your kill>Rebel because you're an angry manchild who can't get over that daddy saved your life>Get stuck in the warp and plagued with all sorts of diseases>Become the fart daemon princeWhy are all primarchs fucking retarded? They betray for the most petty shit.
>>737462784Only thing DoW4 has going on for it is cinematic campaign. People will beat it once and uninstall. Game won't have staying power. New dlcs will have to come with cinematic campaigns which will mean spending budget on cutscenes, which again will only be functionally played once.It won't have as many DLCs as TWW40K. It will die off quickly.
>>737482990*ding* *ding* *ding*
>>737463087Not tired enough imo.I'll continue to pester GW until they actually release more non-bird models for the TS.
>>737482990Genuinely forgot that this thing is lurking around the corner. What the fuck.
>>737483184They're not human, you can't be a genetically engineered superhuman learning everything in a snap and growing a few times the size of a normal man with the strength of ages, immortality and magic powers and not have massive ego issues. They're as fucked as the emperor is because he's not human either.
>>737483318i like tzaangors, it's what made me start a tsons army in 8th ed.
must killMUST KILLawopdawiofnawifawoifaoiwoiwwagrgrgrrgahwhdahwhawhdhawdhahwhahdwa
>>737483184Retard dad and shit environment
>>737483446To be fair to big E, they'd all probably have come out just fine and as intended if it wasn't for that stupid bitch having a woman moment and ejecting them across the galaxy.
>>737482990total war and classic rts barely have an overlap beyond "strategy game"I like having two cakes, personally, it gives them more chances for at least one of them to not be shit
>>737483486The Angel didn't.
>>737483486Horus was the first one to be found - relatively close to Terra, and was very normalI think you know what happened afterwards
>>737482990>negress center stage trying to go toe to toe with an ork boii'm tired hitler.
>>737483574Horus's undoing had nothing to do with any grudge vs his father or any sort of repressed autism. It was Erebus's scheming.Horus even tried to fight chaos off and was said he never fully gave himself to them.
>>737483612get over it sooky
>>737474497Nobody but me remembers it...
ALL GUARDSMEN, FOLLOW ME TO GLORY
>>737483356I honestly do not hate tzaangors. But I despise how they were introduced as a lazy import from AoS; how they represent a significant chunk of an already half-baked roster; and how for the longest time they were shoved down the player's throats. 30k Thousand Sons have distinct units that could have been brought to 40k (such as Sorcerer Dreadnoughts), and yet they don't.
>>737483793I remember that game, it was so good!A pity that it became abandonware.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dzEkIRQsek
>>737483793It was better than RoN.
>>737482990You have to be autistic to play this, but there are a lot of people like that, especially in the Warhammer community. Anyone can play DOW 4; finish the story mode and then move on.
>>737483742go back to fucking sheep kiwi>>737483793Always loved RoN way more than AoE and AoM.
I still desire a new Eldar game.
>>737484107>You have to be autistic to play thisNot even in the slightest. The TW games are casual shit.>Anyone can play DOW 4; finish the story mode and then move on.Yeah, that's why we're sharing a thread for a twenty plus year old game.
>>737483793I still to this day have no idea what counters clockwork spiders>tramples infantry>beats the shit out of clockwork men>anti air gunGenuinely irritating to see them on the battlefieldFuck themThis game is also very hard to play over hamachi on modern systems ;_;
>>737483559this, it's just an indication of how few strategy games of any genre reach are released or get to any sort of populairity to where it's mentioned. Besides the likelihood of these two overlapping releases is very small.
>>737483559Yea I've played maybe 1 or 2 total war games for like 20 minutes but I've played a lot of RTS, from the popular ones like starcraft and AOE, to the really small and obscure ones old jurassic park and army men RTS gamesMaybe if it give TW another proper chance it'd click but it didn't do it for me last I tried it, meanwhile it doesn't take much for me to get into
>>737479324lol no. Our valid brothers and sisters are more than welcome, chud :)
>>737482304>Dark Krakens barely behind the Blood Ravens and literally hundreds of votes above the likes of the Minotaurs or Red ScorpionsOne of the most literal who chapters ever that I actually had to look up because I didn't recognise them at all and apparently the best piece of "art" they could find for the chart is some guy's SM2 character, what on God's green earth is going on over there on Reddit?
>>737483793I do. Fucking love the Vinci and their clockwork bullshit.
If Dork Angels got a Primarch, at least give the Blud Rehvans the Astraeus super heavy while the IG gets the Baneblade plus all variants
>>737486013Dude, they're Blood Ravens, they'll just steal the primarch.
>>737481794The eldar DC stronghold is awesome aside from the 547583493903033 fire prisms on the top of the hill at the end.
>>737483793I will always remember.
>>737486013>IG>getting the banebladelol it's gonna be the dorn, can't have an older model be present unless there's a newer similar one!
>>737486508Orks are still sporting the Battlewagon which is just as oldAnd we've already seen the Dorn in screenshots anyway, its sized like a normal tank
>canonically, Gorgutz' WA ending where he murders Crull is canonI thought Chaos Lords were the absolute top tier fighters, how could Gorgutz beat Crull?
>>737486661green iz best
>>73747294501000100 01100101 01111001 00100000 01101000 01100101 01100001
>>737486741Still can't believe that's supposed to be a woman
>>737486661Warbosses are monsters in melee combat. Basically chapter master tier
>>737486661The Eldar are the canon WA winnersIn Dork Crusade it's the Spess MehreensIn Soulstorm it's the OrkzIn DoW2 the neutral ending is the canon one where Commander Vanilla Ice and Thaddeus gets banished to a penitent crusade, then the Primaris White Dwarf page for them has them return successfully and he becomes the captain for the 4th company with Thaddeus as a veteran sergeant and almost every named character but the Techmarine, Diomedes (who becomes Master of Sanctity) and Tarkus (becomes 1st company veteran ancient) all become captains (Cyrus as the 10th)
>>737486741AYO DEM WHITE SCARS DONT SEASON THEM MACHIN SPIRITS
>>737477813
>>737486945>The Eldar are the canon WA winnersStill stupid as fuck, just compare these two endings.https://youtu.be/iKIAMAqGNIY?si=gNGp6k6iBVKqa_aRhttps://youtu.be/ssxPt-5_7Wo?si=we4PP-zQi4iC-G4fThe entire Eldar portion of the expansion was half-assed and unnecessary, and the devs clearly put more time and effort into the IG.
>>737463087your pic related has Tzaangor shammy and Tzaangor enlightened squad famalam
>>737482304This gotta be contrarian ragebait, no way black templars aren't present and bland ass crimson fists rank that high with other literal who no codex chapters splattered all over
>>737487390Black Templars weren't counted because they have a Codex, it's up at the top right.
>>737486553the orks don't have anything "new" that's similar to the battlewagoneither the russ, or baneblade will be replaced with the dorn
>>737487390For some reason the retard who made the list counts BT as a first founding (when theyre not) as they have their own codex (see top right of the image) which is a pure lorelet way of ranking this shit.
>>737482304>Blood Ravens>5thLiterally an unc chapter nowOutside of the Raptors and Crimson Fists all the picks are fucking memesMajorkill is a huge mistake for the 40k community
>>737486741there's no way to say this without sounding racist, but do they have to make them so conspicious? It's like they just took a modern black guy and they put a mechanical eye on. Put a mechanical vox mask on, don't have the character pull the most emotional and expressive faces and the most extreme end of the facial features of that ethnicity, this is the mechanicus ffs, he should be hunched over and mysterious and quiet, make me think of some coptic mystic with morgan freeman freckles and face tattoos rather than Jamie Foxx. Maybe it is a double standard, but so what, you're trying to force an ethnicity into an aesthetic where it usually isn't seen, in order to pass the vibe check you gotta work on it so it evokes mythic fantasy or historical, is that really so hard to see? This is like the diablo 2 remake paladin all over again. I'm starting to think this is a lost art.
>>737487468It says "most popular successor chapters without codexes", not "every chapter with a codex is first founding"This is just you trying to create something to be mad about.
>>737487632anon, that.... that is a black WOMAN (yeah, i didnt notice too until she spoke)why the fuck does modern vidya love ugly black woman so much? At least give us cool black guys like that space marine 2 dude
>>737459516I don't understand why people shit on 3 so muchIt's more back to roots than DoW2 which was just Company of HeroesIt feels a lot more like 1.The biggest fucking issue is that it only has the 3 factions, they abandoned development almost immediately after release.Balance of factions was out of wack but otherwise it was incredibly solid.And anyone crying about "moba heroes" and unit abilities is a fucking hypocrite
i hope she becomes a legendary lord in Total War 40k
>>737488192Overrated waifushit.Name one cool thing she did.
>>737488264she looks hot (a very rare thing for woman in 40k) and went into melee with a terminator armor chapter master and stood her ground
>>737488323>and stood her groundLame shit.
>>737488192Eldar LLs are going to be really fucking funny to see since the lore behind basically every notable Eldar character is "Lost horribly at their one major event but survived because they have a model to sell".
>>737488002kek, well even with that in mind, her manly face doesn't feel like a tech chrone or an acolyte, all my complaints pretty much still apply
>>737465781RTS in general had a golden age in the 00s, followed by a sudden decline in the end of the decade mainly due to MOBAs popularity, literally only StarCraft II remained and poisoned the well because now every RTS needs to be made with fucking esports in mind, interesting singleplayer campaign be dammed.
I hope Chaos in DOW 4 would let you dedicate to a specific gods rather than being Undivided
Clearly we need more 40k games in diff genres. Ork wacky races game when? CYOAs when?
Why is Lucius the worst Chaos champion?
>>737488839>Ork wacky races game whenWell anon, today is your lucky day.https://store.steampowered.com/app/2078450/Warhammer_40000_Speed_Freeks/
>>737488915His entire gimmick is that he's a jobber
>>737488779You vill play as Blacked Legion and you vill like it.
>>737487632Why do They refuse to use prediminantly black aesthetic. Techpreist with Voodoo elements sounds fun. Little dolls of trapped enemies, robe is a giant darpo flag and his mask is a modified skull. Here we go I've just made it up on a spot. Is it that hard?
why'z dey called slugga boyz and not choppa boyz? deyz main job iz choppin
>>737488940Looks fun
>>737459385>I still have hope for DoW4Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
>>737488915Kharn is a fun character who got even better through his momentu in Horus Heresy series.Arhiman is both tragic and pathetic in his various schemesTyphus is pretty much independent and even darss to call out Mortarion's bullshitLucius has that he is a good swordsman and Cannot dieHe is the most boring of the bunch.
>>737489131cuz they're orks
>>737487171Because Taldeer was a bitch, and her VA Whom also voiced Shandris Feathermoon and Macha prior to that makes it funnier.
>>737489221They really should have made "Lucius" more of a persona or title as opposed to an individual cognizant guy who keeps coming back.
>>737489082Because modern GW is a model comoanycand wants their products to be extrenely recognizable.It's why Imperial Guard regiments have gone from dozens of different designs to less than a handful; Cadians and Krieg are the most recognizeable so they get the models and thus the attention. It's same reason minor chapters like Wbite Scars and Iron Hands barely ever get fearured in anything Ultramarines are on the boxes because blue is the 'good guy' color.So no matter what a character's race is, they will ALWAYS look like the most gwneric aspect of their faction to accomodate GW marketing tactics.
>>737488779they could probably make it so that you pick a god to give you bonuses and one or two different demon units depending. I know people get into customizing their color schemes and what not, but I'd rather see a subset of factions honed in on rather than trying to provide this agnostic shallow thing. So if they decide to release deathguard with only nurgle units I'd prefer that, same with dark angels, I hope they play different instead of just having the Lion being the only meaningful difference. Would also like to see some sort of merc system so that you can hire units from other factions. Space marines could have access to inquisitors, assassins, etc, while chaos could have dark mechanicus units, demon hosts. Eldar with neutral aliens. Orks, Necrons...can't think of anything, but between the imperial factions it would be nice to borrow some units from each other.
how do we actually feel about assault space marines costing 3 squad pop, same as assault terminators and grey knights? seems silly to me
>>737483793>Cool af world>Risk-like campaign>All the girls were hotVery underrated
>>737487632Nah there's no double standard, the white equivalent of that would be making a character that looks like this it just doesn't work
>>737489082definitely could work if it evokes voodoo stuff in the details with gothic monk as the baseline, not that it would be unlike 40k to copy these things wholesale, I just don't prefer it myself (looking at you space wolves) prefer more nods to a culture that's then made its own, like pic related.
>>737487171Eldar winning makes by far the most sense for the setting. Every other faction goes on to significantly fuck with the galaxy with their new Titan. Only the Eldar keep things in relative equilibrium
>>737489875nah
>>737472945This thing being a woman was one of most shocking things I experienced this year
>>737488940>>737489163I'm sad that this game died pretty much immediatelyThe devs made the fatal mistake of forcing bots in multiplayer lobbies, the result was that you could load into a match, have 2 human teammates vs 4-6 human enemies and get absolutely raped by them because the bots are damn useless They changed their business model from having the game be F2P to buy to play, and I think maybe you can run your own servers but now it's the kind of game you need a discord group to enjoy.
>>737458887ctrl+f>shat>0 results>if you w>0 resultsMaybe next time, IGbros.
>>737488915What's even so slaneshi about Lucius?
>>737490350he provides entertainment to slaanesh by dying over and over again
>>737489842>voodoo stuff in the details with gothic monk as the baselineThen It is still quite easy. Since Catholicsm on Haiti is kind of synchetised with Voodoo.Obviously like >>737489319 pointed out GW is long past of Doing anything uniqe.
>BOYTAS AT OUR TARGETS>MAYG OUR REED.. FOIYAH!
>>737489875>Eldar winning makes sense because it's boringNah, fuck that
>>737490350Obsession with perfection and being the best
>>737490350Obsessed with becoming the perfect swordsman. He can't though, because he can't rematch anybody who kills him.
>>737489875>significantly fuck with the galaxy>with ONE (UNO)(1) TitanHate to break it to you, but one Titan doesn't make much of a difference on the grand scale of things. But yeah, the Eldar win that one simply because Taldeer makes it to Dark Crusade, then the Blood Ravens get her, she spends some time as a rock, then they put her in a giant robot.
>>737490634I know that the main twist is tht it really doesnt matter how you beat him because slaanesh will see through your loopholes and kill you and bring him back anyway jus because it it raises the question, what are the things that slaanesh and the other 3 can't kill? at least not instantly
>>737459692>ORK TECH WERKS 'CAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT WERKSWhy Mekboys then? Are they just Weirdboys with mechanical autism?
>>737490747>what are the things that slaanesh and the other 3 can't kill?The EmperorThat's about it
Why do they even bother going with Kronus again? Why not go with Armageddon, one of the biggest shitshows of the current galaxy?
DeviantArt OC Marines deployed.(Blood Ravens)
>>737458887DoW game made in 2004>shit ton factions>building and upgrading make sense and is well implemented>just full on funDoW games bade in the last 10 years:>3 factions at best>still less balanced than 10 factions from the first game>gameplay is dumbed down and weird after>no one tries to just repeat step by step what first game didWhy are modern devs like that?
>>737490816there has to be more>>737490805every single ork has the psychic field thingmekboys also do have actual engineering knowledge left by the old ones in their minds, it's just that it's super half assed because they are orks at the end of the day, the psychic field just fills in the blanks
>>737490747Nah, so far everybody who's killed him has taken some kind of satisfaction in the kill at some point afterwards, whether consciously or not.>what are the things that slaanesh and the other 3 can't kill?They can't kill themselves, or each other, or the Dark King candidates. They can't kill the Emperor because Horus declared his fate retroactively with Tarot. They can't kill the Tyranid hive mind, it's too big for them. They can't kill Ynnead, he's already dead.
>>7374909144 is coming out with four factions
>>737472945ADEPTUS NIGGANICHUS
>>737490995let's be real slaanesh would kill you even if you didnt have any satisfaction at all just to bring him back
>>737490805>>ORK TECH WERKS 'CAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT WERKSThat's a misconception. Orks 'believing it works' does not automatically make a piece of metal into an advanced piece of technology. The Ork gestalt interacts with technology that would make crudely made or otherwise ramshackle technology function properly. You could open up a piece of Ork electronics and see nothing but a mass of frayed wires, haphazardly placed coils, and nonsensical sets of chips, but when a Mekboy opens it up they know precisely what each wire, coil, and chip is meant to do, how it connects to everything else, and what the fastest way to fix any issues will be.In essence, a Orks don't bother with proper cable management or spacial workflow because they don't need to. They already know what works, and don't care if it looks sloppy so long as it works.
>>737490805Given how Orks are a (now relatively degenerated) genetically engineered war species, Mekboys do have some genuine knowledge of mechanical prowess, but the most complex Ork tech depends on their belief and sheer accumulation of Orks in order to `unlock` it in the first place.
>>737490805Mekboys are literal geniuses of 40k. The green men that push tech forward. Meanwhile mechanicucks and eldrool just use muh old lost tech cause they can't innovate.
>>737491036No that's the funny part, he never needs to because it's impossible for someone to not take satisfaction in the kill. You'd have to be primarch level to get into the territory where Slaanesh would just resurrect him anyway without the armor gimmick kicking in.
>>737459385I don't know about true hope but I've got a hell of a lot more hope for it than total warhammer 40k
>>737487390Crimson Fists are the OG. Fuck you, Kid.
>>737491121ok but it's possible I mean
>>737473430I would really rather it was just him, I'm sick of primarchfaggotry, they should have all been dead
>>737491081what about tau
>>737490805A bit overstated as a trait of Ork tech. Ork tech has basic functionality it's more the orks overall size, morale, and the power of weirdboyz that is effected by Waaagh fields.
>>737490993>there has to be moreThere isn't. The Emperor can extend his reach to protect individuals sometimes, though it's taxing.The Chaos Gods could at any point just shut down every other faction if they wanted to. That's more or less what happened to the Eldar; the Chaos Gods knew the Emperor was coming so Slaanesh obliterared the Eldar Empire to make way for the Imperium.The Chaos Gods view the entire setting as one big game to dick around in. Everything else besides the Emperor exists at their whim.
>>737479279>Y-you're all tourists for liking girls!picrel: an ad for Citadel Miniatures in 1979.
>>737477859>false equivalencyFanwork goes by different rules, but you know that.
>>737461890>necrons have a a c'tan shard as playable unit>sm can't get a primarchthe 300 IQ of these devs is worrisome
>>737491193Tau have to learn shit like nerds. Mekboys operate off instinct, improvisation, mad genius and esoteric symbolism in their dreams
>>737473430>Alpharius OmegonFemale mind games on steroids...
>>737491308Primarchs are vastly stronger than C'tan shards, anon.
>>737481609DoW2 nailed the gun sounds just right, dunno how almost every game since then, maybe besides Darktide, had shit sound design.
>>737489504It was bullshit, but it made sense because you'd spam them instead of tactical marines for the melta bombs.
>>737491406lol, lmao even
>>737491452After playing DoW2 for the first time, its Bolter sound was hammered into my head. I could hear it for days.
>>737491252i know about the big game and shit but there has to be limits here and there, like the nids having antiwarp shit
>>737491338and a bunch of knowledge built into their noggins
>>737459385Hope is the first step down the road to disappointment
>>737491406Incorrect
>>737491594sorry meant piles of knowledge and technical knowhow all built into their nogginsbut they don't use em well
>>737491545There isn't. The Great Rift opening actually killed part of the Hive Mind.If the Chaos Gods don't consider something entertaining, they scrub it out of existence.
>>737473607Be honest. Could you have saved her from Erebus and Kor Phaeron?
>>737487707Yes, it says the crucial part in smallprint which is being disingenuous. My point still stands due to how its intentionally missleading. If anything it shows how retarded and bloated codexes are in the new editions. Even Chaos dont need 5 codexes for monogod and undivided when the chaos 3.5ed book already did it perfectly with conditional unit restrictions.
>>737490805The believe system might help with things like making a trukk go faster arbitrarily if painted red, or function without fuel for awhile because the Ork is convinced he gassed it up before heading out, but it still needs to be constructed in a way that actually makes sense.
>>737491692well that's just lame man
The craftworld sings to me and I respond in kind.
>>737492026I hate these little buggers like you wouldn't believe.
>>737489082
>>737492026I got a bone she can sing to
>>737492026Are there combat variants of Bonesingers or are they all just artfag engineers?
>>737492096>sheOH NO NO NO
>>737492151All Eldar are women.
>>737462784Emp’s children are a lot more likely than you think. Gw now has a model range of them to advertise and they’ve always been far from just being the rape marines
>>737458887>From the lightning, and the tempest>Emperor deliver us!
>>737492096look, it changes as I play
>>737488915Lucius being a loser is what makes him work as a character
>>737492530Command me to suck
>>7374915153 melta bombs is not going to do better than 3 tac squads with rocket launchers against vehicles
>>737492026DoW2 did it better.>WE HAVE TO ARM OURSELVES FOR EVEN CRUELER WARFARE
>>737492581Imagine coming home from your boring Path of the Office Worker job only to find that your horny Bonesinger wife sung into existence a miniature diorama of you and her fucking in near perfect detail.
>>737492861Three tac squads with rocket launchers sucks against anything but vehicles. Assault marines with melta bombs was an all rounder unit because it could engage and kill anything and was super mobile on top of it.
>>737492887DoW2 was shit so I don't care
wait bonesingers actually sing and play or is it just psychic stuff?
>>737492540Also his new model is cool
>>737492934>Three tac squads with rocket launchers sucks against anything but vehicles.nah, they'll still have enough bolters to kill infantry and still have frag grenades>Assault marines with melta bombs was an all rounder unityes but they're melee so you can't really get a lot of focus damage from them because they block each other physically, something ranged squads don't
>>737492923>Path of the Office Worker
>>737490805>>ORK TECH WERKS 'CAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT WERKSGross oversimplification.
>>737492957Filtered.>>737492967It's psychic stuff, they don't necessarily need to sing.
>>737492967Yeah
>>737490914DoW1 started with 4 faction, WA added 1, DC added 2, SS added 2DoW2 started with 4, CR added 1, Retribution added 1The entry that does not exist started with 3 and died with 3DoW4 starts with 4
>>737492923this but the diorama shows her fucking either a vindicate assassin or a rogue trader
>>737492967Both.Bonesingers literally play music and sing to channel Wraithbone into reality and shape it.In the novel Valedor it actually has a brief segment showing three Bonesingers performing together to construct a Wraithguard's body, with each having their own instruments.
>>737493117Brown post.
>>737459385it looks so bad but i'm still going to give it a chance
>>737493117She did that last week for two dioramas, comissioned by a Farseer and Ranger respectively.
>>737493036>durr they can kill infantry still because some still have bolters!You are white rooming this, whereas I speak from actual multiplayer experience from back in the day. Assault marines at 2 pop point cost was broken compared to just using tactical squads. You usually ran one tactical squad with heavy bolters or plasma rifles and two assault squads as soon as possible, if your micro was good, you were able to end the game in minutes against most factions but Eldar running fleet of foot.
>think about playing dawn of war>remember the gameplay is just "rush the enemy to win" and it's not a comfy turtling tower defense game>don't play dawn of wa
>>737493165that's so...lame
>bombs youYour response?
>>737490914James Workshop mandates.
>>737493269>think about playing dawn of war>play dawn of war
>>737490914Did you even play DoW1? It had 4 factions just like this one has.
>>737493269>guard >turtlingAYYYY
>>737490914>game is a success, everyone loves it>the next game does away with what made it good and everyone hates itMany such cases, I'm still pissed off about what happened to the Just Cause series, all they had to do what make 2 but better, yet they released two shit games afterwards and now the series is dead.
>>737493512DoW2 sold better than DoW1 tho.
>>737493269Huh? My favorite thing to do in this game was playing skirmish and build a giant base with a gorillion turrets and see how long I can survive against the ai.
>>737493578>everyone loves game 1>buy game 2 thinking it'll be even better>it isn't
>>737486817maybe it’s the lighting but it really looks like it has a mustache at times, also no body so the nigger is definitely not dead, a primarch couldn’t defeat the plot armor of a black female techpriest
>>737493357betrays you and hides into a plot point which will never be solved
>>737490914Back when DoW3 was in development, the guys at Relic thought they were going back to basics by throwing in buildings, which DoW2 lacked and was one of the major points against it, but in all other respects they were trying to copy MOBA aspects to draw in a broader audience. It probably seemed like a good idea at the time to rake in more sales than if they just reproduced DoW for the relatively small audience that wanted it, they just never counted on not getting the broader audience and losing their original audience.It was a pretty big fuck up back in its day, you know they put that game up for grabs for free for a while and it still didn't salvage the player numbers? It was that bad. The Concord of the RTS genre.
>>737493578doubt it, 2 got fucked so bad by publisher nonsense, both probably have sold 10M after so many sales
>>737493357bomb him back then faggot.
>>737493357call his boss
>>737493715>le fallen mysteryThey turned to chaos. El'johnson killed them. Some got away. The end.
>>737493274Did you expect Elves to use factories and assembly lines?
>>737472514very pixar
>>737493414Obviously not, otherwise he would know thisIt's some weird outrage grifting which started with TWWIt was always a norm for strategy games to have 2 to 4 unique factions or alternatively dozens, but samey and reskinned ones with one unique unit or soWhen TWW was announced historyfags tried to use only 4 factions as an argument against it and it just stuck since then. It's especially funny when it's being used for shitposting in series which always had such number of factions.
>>737493221>melee being useful must’ve been a long time ago
>>737467716Um actually the best edition was the one I started with...those were the good old days
>>737494591The idea was to tie up shooters, then use your one tactical squad to mulch them. The assault squads would use melta bombs against any vehicles that came up. You needed a strong economy to defend against it as early as SMs could do it, even if you failed, you could start throwing land speeders at the problem and switch entirely to assault marines.
>>737493758They fucked up badly with the campaign too. Say what you will about DoW2, at least people who enjoy it can find some amount of replayability by playing with different squads, builds or in the case of Retribution, different factionsDoW3 doesn't really have any of that and it forces you to play as different factions each mission, which is retarded. So even for the sickos who like DoW3 there's barely any replayability.
>>737494802Last Stand's popularity mind broke them, because they tried to integrate it into how DoW3 played in general rather than keeping it as its own mode. Nothing they could do to salvage the campaign though, Angelos doing somersaults was just so wrong.
>>737466187How the FUCK did an Alpha Legion chaos lord manage to get out-alpha legion'd by his own sorceror??
>>737494941Sindri was also Alpha Legion
>>737486394>>737481794You aren't meant to break the hill, you're meant to take the three critical points outside, which starts a timer that wins you the mission when it ends, and the eldar sending out constant attack waves until there's a souped up avatar. It's actually pretty easy, almost all the attacks hit the central point, just a few units are enough to hold the other two, especially if you have something fast to send over as backup if necessary.
>>737493036The difference here is that you took the Assault Marines at all because you would use them to disrupt enemy gunlines (especially important against Tau) to stop them from using those big guns while your own gunline was unmolested. Otherwise as an CC unit, Assault Marines are kind of trash. Too expensive to be spammed, not strong enough to take out key targets, only just durable enough to pin ranged units down for a while before you need to jump them out again.
>>737493943the dark ones do, also it's not the issue in the psychic power, it's the music part
>"IT IS THE MIGHTY->"OGRYN?!"
>>737495320Yeah....I know, I'm still going to try because fuck that hill and fuck those space elves. It's better to attack them than wait for the mission to end itself on a lame as fuck timer. Waiting is not a mechanic and never will be.
>>737482586It's not a failure at reading comprehension, it's poking fun at the anon who somehow didn't intuitively understand that actual the assassin would be better at killing compared to the raw recruits of a Space Marine Chapter.
>>737493165>aThis got retconned in 10th. They actually mine it now
>>737458887They're the bad guys you know.
>>737495960They're the BEST guys
>>737495960Is it because the helmets have angry eyes and frowns?
>>737495960>Tentacled, slimy hands typed this
Will Blud Rehvahns ever get their Primarch revealed?
>>737496127It's Magnus.>"but what about--"It's Magnus.
>>737494941Bale was on loan from the Word Bearers and Sindri was playing the long game to put Gabriel Angelos in the position to kill Kyras and the daemon of the Maledictum because he was a secret loyalist.
>>737496314
>>737473430Lion = Leman = Sanguinius > everybody else. I like blondes (Girlyman didn't make the cut due to her dumbass boy hair).Honorable mentions: Lorgar, Conrad, and Whatever the Raven Guard is called.
>>737479279>Hmm, this is one of the few threads on /v/ that's actually going well right now, time to shit it up with idpolThis is why nobody likes troons, even on the left at this point. You are the most natcisistic and petty people yo have ever existed.
>>737480218Is it true that this was one of GW's best games from a design standpoint?
>No Chaos in DoW4>No Chaos in TWWThe fuck is wrong with these devs?
>>737497545DLC bait
>>737497545No matter who gets left out, you'll have someone here saying 'I can't believe they left out X'
>>737496314That's stupid because there are very few weapons that can give a daemon a true death, and Godsplitter isn't one of them.
>>737473430What I really hate about Primarchs coming back is them being so 30k and normal. If it was stuff like Wulfen Daemon Leman or Raven God Corax or Turbo Sanguinor that could only appear during Warp storms it would be fine. Stuff thst raised the question if it was actually the Primarchs or just humanity dreaming up deities the more they neared Psychic Ascendance. Instead it's just Guilliman but a little sad. Lame!
>>737497898Maledick!Kyras didn't even get banished by Godsplitter, he got headshot by an orbital laser mid ascension.
>>737495320Yes youre not meant to, but if you fuck with the hill then their capacity to spam is diminished. ITs far easier to set up on one or two of the crit points and then blow the fuck out of the hill to weaken their response for whan you take the third crit point.
Which factions DON'T deserve to come back?
AAAAAAAAAAA
>>737499842Sisters of battle
>>737499996Thou shalt not.I shall.
>>737458887Prostagma.
>>737499842Nu-Squats
>>737472945Adeptus Fentanicus
>>737501039>Adeptus Fentanicus
>>737497545Very clear dlc faction that guarantees it will do well sell wise. The question is who they will use? The Black Legion is the easiest choice, but I can see them trying to push Iron warriors or Red corsairs since they are the newest
HH RTS when?
>>737474976hell yeah
>>737459385look m8 from the info we got ,its a slightly polished DoW3+small extra mechanics, it will release with barely any content like 3 and then quickly die because investors didnt see 10x return on their money within a fianacial quarter like they all expect in fake nigga economies(shareholder capitalism)
>>737477854Do they shrink if confined and unable to battle?
>>737483019Angelos > Primarchs.
>>737490914the people involved in 3 were the soiboi tier team leaders and code smithers that didnt know shit about the game or marketing, they tried to mix LoL with RTS armies and in general everything was halfassed
>>737501565!Red Corsairs are more logical since they're a diverse force like the Black Legion, unlike Iron Warriors siege autists>Eliphas is back, and this time Abaddon sold his jobber bitch ass to Huron
>>737488023i like COHbut i dont want to spend the hundreds of hours grinding a unit loadout and youre a clown if you think that is/was acceptablemake it easy to unlock or earn, but the MTX "you can totally unlockit for free if you play enough" system has always been implemented in a shit way in relic games
>>737465961Yeeeeeeeees
>>737482218>It took CoH2 to start realizing how retarded idea it isand to this day they have the worst documentation and changelog tracking
In terms of cohesion, Word Bearers and Iron Warriors are the only LEGIONS that truly matter. Everyone else? Fragmented into dozens of shitty, semi-independent warbands.
>>737488023the abilities in 1 and 2 are non-moba style fire and forget, in 3 the abilities have delicate timings and combos that are clearly designed for a mobo where you’re driving a single unit
>>737458887Hope is the first step in the road to disappointment.
>>737483793Nah. Everyone that played it remembers it fondly. Not many played it tho. Clockwork knights were a pretty fucking cool unit
>>737499842We really don't need Eldar back. Them being in TWW as a base game faction is already a bad sign.
>>737501705you will get deckbuilder mobile kusoge and you will like it
>>737496314Much as I'd love to entertain this batshit idea, the maledictum explicitly states it could have been destroyed if unearthed before any sacrifices so this isn't possible
>>737505630As opposed to what? Eldar are as core to 40k as Orks are.
>Orks invented a mass effect relay just to arrive at Armageddon faster
>>737506086Chaos or Tyranids. Or Necrons. All three of those are more important to 40k than Eldar.You only call them 'core' because they're old. That doesn't actually make them a core faction, it just makes them vestigial.
>>737506285doesn't seem a very ork thing to do desu
>>737506474Should have made the 40k version of project orion
>>737506285They could teleport entire moons during the war of the beast
>no RTS of the Horus Heresy and there never will be
As awesome as he looked and his animations were, good god the DP was an awful unit. Turning Eliphas into one was a complete kneecap.
>>737506474orks are clever
>>737488474Prince Yriel is an absolute baller who regularly dunks on everyone and is probably the single best naval commander in the setting.
>>737506617Good.Fuck that marvel-crap.
>>737506716The recent Maelstrom canpaign book had him and his Corsairs get crushed by Huron and the Red Corsairs.
>>737506645yeah iirc in the Dark Crusade campaign if you turn Eliphas into a prince he loses all of the bonuses from his wargear and it completely fucks all of his stats upthey didn’t think to scale his damage and hp up from the generic DP unit from skirmish
>>737488915His gimmick was completely undone because somebody thought it was a good idea to write a piece about how he actually did get killed by an opponent who took absolutely zero satisfaction from the victory once but Slaanesh brought him back anyway because reasons.
why do the orcs keep saying chaos boyz are stinkin'
>>737506446I really have a problem with tyranids these dayswe have had SO many 40k games with them alreadyand they totally consume the plot. Theoretically chaos, necrons, orks etc. are all just as apocalyptic but somehow game designers really crank it up with the nids. They just take over the story. And they never build up to it either, there's never any intrigue or genestealer cults or whatever its just oh shit nidders blocking out the sun get out there and fight the endless horde for the emperor. There's so many sci-fi games about endless bug hordes we don't fucking need any more. It's tired.
>>737506474Wot do youz mean buildin a big zappy fing to get yer boyz to the foight FASTA ain't proppa Orky?
>>737506778He was forced to withdraw after waltzing straight into the heart of Huron's most heavily fortified citadel and achieving his objectives, not exactly "crushed".
>>737506950that's just cultural creep with the zerg
>>737506949Do you know how hard it is to find a working shower when Nurgling shit or Flamer warpfire comes out of basically every faucet in the Eye of Terror?
>40k becomes mainstream >enshitification follows right after like clockwork
>>737507103>remember this exact mission and locationIt's over for me isn't it?
Why'd they let Iron Lore work on Soul Storm?
>>737507029He lost the second largest ship in his fleet and its entire crew, not to mention scores of other Corsairs, to rescue 'dozens' of Eldar captives.The irony is that Huron likely captured just as many Eldar as he lost.Yriel pissed Huron off sure, but he nost certainly didn't win.
Who's the best engineer?>Ork mekboy>Earth Caste engineer>Adeptus Mechanicus Enginseer>Eldar wraithbone singer>Votann mechanic
>>737507167Relic was already working on DoW2 at the time.
>>737494802>forces you to play as different factions each missionI don't mind it, Blizzard successfully does that for their campaigns in Starcraft and Warcraft.
>>737507304No it doesn't? You play through one campaign at a time. Same as the previous DoW games.
Would definitely be a villain in Star Trek:>Imperium>Chaos>Tyranids>Dark Eldar>Orks>Necrons>TauWould possibly be a villain in Star Trek:>Votann>EldarWould probably not be a villain in Star Trek:>???
>>737507304dow3 definitely wanted to be sc2 instead of dow
Speaking of Last Stand, what's the going to be the Last Stand mode for DoW4?Another last stand/tower defense?Something else?
>>737506285I'm glad 40k artwork quality is still breathtaking
>>737487632>do they have to make them so conspiciousThis is designed to pander to a North American audience, in particular African Americans, so obviously they HAVE to design the niggerest of West African niggers, otherwise they apparently can't "relate", they think. Jamie Foxx is at least attractive.Maybe there are some black anons here who can chime in, but I personally would be offended if these devs consistently took the ugliest troglodytes my nation had to offer, and then further exaggerated them with the stereotypical features. These ugly black women are the happy merchant of black people
>>737507492breathtakingly bad in this case
>>737506474>secondary thinking orcs are dumbclockwerk
>>737507526>designed to pander to a North American audienceSo how long till GW kills Slaanesh and everything related to xer?
>>737507572Nah, I love it
>>737507686you shouldn't
>>737507667They were going to with the Ynnary plotline but they decided to not go through with it.
>>737507593Still surprised they settled on admech as a launch faction.
>>737507667blacks exist outside of American
>>737508328but why do they pander to people with no money
>>737508328American blacks are the only ones with the welfare to buy video games, so the rest don't matter culturally except to appear on UNICEF ads.
>>737508273I get it, if they wanted a new faction it was ether admech, genestealer cult or votaan
>>737507526I'm not offended so much as I am annoyed. I don't care about representation in general but I think that if they're going to put black characters in games they could at least make them look cool or at least 'normal' in keeping with the setting. Right now it feels like most black characters can only resemble racist caricatures.
>>737508328no they don't, next you're going to tell me that white people exist outside of America too.
>>737508473GSC is like the bastard stepchild GW doesn’t really know what to do with. 0 chance of being in DoW4 and will probably be the very last one to be repped in TW maybe ten years from now.It’s sad because their mini range is genuinely pretty cool.
>>737508704too reminiscent of the pedo tribe
>>737508704Personally, I would separated them from the Tyranids, and had them act more like space Vampires. Hell maybe I would adapt the Necromunda trait of fending off the hive fleets with their presence
>>737508704Problem with the genestealers is that they are just a proxy for tyranids with no real independent motives or character. Maybe if they were a separate Xeno cult that is more Lovecraft-like they could be interesting
>>73750749240k art, like many others, became sovlless after the transition to digital art, soon it will be barely disguised Machine Spirit-sloppa
>>737509037Big part of why no one buys or plays them. Tyranid fans are just gonna play tyranids.
>>737506794Yeah, I rememver like it was yesterday, actually 20 years ago, the sheer disappointment of DP Eliphas. Felt amazing at first until you run into another commander and his HP begins to implode. Ironically, Mark of Chaos had the exact issue, more or less, with the mortal Chaos Champion rocking the DP.
>>737509432I remember him being stuck on the gate during the finale mission.Still won, but damn, the game couldn't handle sieges.
