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2 more days before the end of the test!
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>>737460204
Buy an ad
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I think they're going to take all the feedback from the beta, put in some real programming effort, and have a full release next month!
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>everyone already went back to numaple
it's over...
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>>737460204
join me on maplelegends lads, I need bodies for elin forest pq
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>>737461335
Sorry bro, Neverness to Everness is so close to releasing.
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>>737461201
why grind in the grindiest game if you know its going to be wiped in a week? they gave the feedback, no need to level for nothing
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>>737461364
man why you play that gay shit
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>>737461914
Blud, you can't be saying that when we both play(ed) Maple Story :skull:
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>>737462127
nah you can't compare ms to this shit bro come on
https://x.com/i/status/2046866887460737318
this some sissy shit
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>>737461335
what’s the meta class on legends
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>>737460204
Inkwell said 2027 release.

It is actually over. You can't take this long, the hype will be dead.
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>>737462939
fuck man not sure since theres been some skill changes here and there which makes classes a bit more viable but yeah you probably cant go wrong with bishop first for making money and leeching people and shit like that
I just went Page for my first class and said fuck it lol Im having fun
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>>737462939
bishop to farm
nightlord to boss
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>>737462939
Bishop. Same goes for all pre-big bang private servers. If you don't make a bishop first, you are crippling yourself and wasting time.

This is where Classic can be much better but oops, 2027 release, DOA.
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they fucked up the keys so bad I unironically have lost interest, not even fox & grapes territory just genuine disgust

doesn't help I have a deep hatred for Nexon already due to them shutting down MS2 and getting caught rigging rates

could not have possibly handled this CBT any worse
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Cannot fkin believe these niggers are planning on having another beta and delaying release until next year. They have already had a whole year in development and the backend is clearly stable enough to run. You don't need another 9 fkin months for balancing shit.
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>>737463184
the game will be dead if bishop isnt the best in classic, too many people like bishop
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>>737463231
Nobody cares about you boring autists caring so deeply about an ugly ass ring.
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>>737462939
What do you think?
Make a bishop to fund and farm everything for your "real" character.

I can't stand numaple, but I also can't stand pservers anymore either.
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>>737463313
You are an idiot. Just because magetrannies like you can't handle not being OP doesn't mean the vast majority of players wouldn't be happy with it. Nobody wants bishopstory.
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>>737463406
i do, so its not nobody
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>>737463042
>>737463184
>Inkwell said 2027 release
@grok is this real?
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>>737463231
Inkwell said there's gonna be a mark of the beta bandana or some equivalent which probably also means there will be another beta of some sort.
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Mark of the Beta bandana confirmed for future betas(probably for the open beta since people were pissed about the rings)
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>>737463450
Bro inkwell says so much shit that he never actually follows up on why does anyone still bother trusting any of the trash that comes out of his mouth?
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>>737463513
What are some things he lied about?
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>>737463442
Inkwell confirmed there will be another beta, and replied "I don't think so" to someone asking if classic will release in 2026.

I wasn't a doomposter, but I am now. That is just too long.
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>>737463468
I hope after this we do a test to test if the test was tested successfully. All the better if you have to fly out to LA and beg a random nexon NA employee to get in. Can't wait to play this game when it releases in 2031
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>>737463570
Damn.
Well it's understandable, they only had 20 years to test.
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>>737463570
There's a screenshot of him saying the first thing, what about the second?
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>>737463173
>>737463184
Literally the same as classic then
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>>737463842
For now, but there is at least time to fix it. I'm sure the balancing will get a little better after another 12 fuckin months and 4 open betas.
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>>737463468
>mfw going to have my name tag ring, chat ring, AND a mark of the beta
Can’t wait to have all my fomo gear only to act like I’m too cool to wear any of it.
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this game will never be as big as other classic games simply because loot isnt personal
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>>737463981
>closed testers want even MORE exclusive shit
lol
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Am I the only one who is enough of a nerd to pick up on this?
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>>737463567
>we could launch classic today
He also keeps saying he wants to improve communication and then him and the CMs just ghost the community for large periods of time.
Dude is also just a professional vagueposter because he can never just give a straight answer to any question.
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>>737464147
that's unironically professional
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>>737464085
I thought puritans would be the major problem for Classic, but I'm now convinced FOMOers are worse.

Like holy shit nobody with a functioning brain cares about your shitty ass bandana or ring. Every time some retard here posts about how they still have their original mark of beta I just swipe, don't care.
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>>737464218
>swipe
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>>737464240
That's right bro you're getting swiped.
No bigger ick than some 30 year old sperg seeking attention for muh ingame bandana.
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>>737464218
>but I'm now convinced FOMOers are worse.
Gacha and social media has irreversibly brain damaged an entire generation.
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>>737464218
>no one cares
While I agree no one should be forking over $200+ to some chink scalper just to get exclusive fomo gear, you also sound incredibly jealous right now, lmao.
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>>737464218
>I thought puritans would be the major problem for Classic
Open the gates for these good people, surely nothing bad will happen
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>>737464442
Bro I tossed my 2nd anniversary blue maple flag from 2007. I deadass do not care about that shit and never did.
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>>737464451
In the official discord feedback/suggestion channel there are some highly autistic, long posts desperately crying for the developers to remove down-jump.

They all get negative-ratio'd.
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>>737464658
First, the 'autists' arent pure because they use discord. Second, the fact that these posts are downvoted by the discord audience shows that the inclusion of the mechanic was in fact a mistake.

The best thing that nexon can do coming out of this beta is to tally the opinions of everyone who stated a preference on maplestory classic before leaving the ongoing beta to play the main client, and then enact everything that goes against those peoples wishes.

Quite frankly, monster avoid should be higher across the board. Not a single person complaining about their hit rate has scrolled equips for accuracy.
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>>737464820
Sorry you are in a state of denial over your autism bro.
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a lot of people are going to be mad as fuck when they find out the game needs new content for 75% of the player base to still care 6 months after launch.
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>>737464820
Nexon does not care about your shit opinion, down jump is here to stay
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>>737464943
At no point did I ever imply that i was not autistic, I am simply unsure why you think that you pointing out my inherent genetic superiority to you somehow negates the argument I presented.
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is there literally anything that archers can do better than sins?
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>>737464983
Yeah they wouldn't have even bothered looking for feedback on that mechanic. In their own internal play tests they would've taken like 5 second to conclude downjump feels much better.

The reason it wasn't in the original vanilla version from 20+ years ago is because its actually a slightly complex mechanic that involves dynamically changing collision at runtime.
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>>737465073
They get a mobbing skill, but that's it.
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>>737465073
Archers (and all DEX classes outside of early maplestory) exist so that other classes can have a sense of balance. If an archer is able to do anything better than any other class, then that class needs buffs immediately. At one point in maplestory's development, about a decade ago, a resistance archer had a valuable party buff skill that briefly made them viable for grinding parties. Nexon, in a matter of months, rolled out a buff elixir that specifically overwrites and obsoletes that buff skill.
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>>737465073
Archers are more dps than mage though.
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inkwell logs in to pose his char just to say "hi" "thank you a for to playing my game" "we will fix... things... eventually.. a lot of questions.. we are aware"
>>737465094
swinging your sword involves dynamically changing collision at runtime what the fuck are you on
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>>737460204
Welp I hit level 15, Im done, hopefully the full release is soon
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>>737464658
I've said it before, but I would laugh if they removed down jump.
The game would be mostly fine without it since it was designed without it and I played during that era.
It's not going to happen, but it would be fucking funny seeing people piss and shit themselves over it.
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>>737465350
At no point does double shot deal more damage than magic claw, and double shot continues to be the optimal single target DPS skill for Hunters until level 78 in their third job.
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>>737465505
doesn't matter you hit faster than magic claw with booster
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>>737465419
Not the same, retard, that's just running a hitbox sweep.
Actually dropping through a hard platform cleanly requires more complex implementation.
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My feedback on the feedback channel.
Thoughts?
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>>737465749
Stop asking for minor changes that would delay the release further
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What do you guys think of the new official MapleSEA AI artwork?
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>mapleSEA gets a fucking built in datesim
>gms gets a half baked classic and a neglected modern server
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>>737465821
>minor
Based retard.
Also there is absolutely nothing posted in that channel that will delay anything, tardo. Inkwell already effectively confirmed 2027 release so its more than likely Classic is DOA.
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>>737465871
>mapleSEA gets a fucking built in datesim
With AI CGs
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>>737465861
>>737465871
ClassicCHADS will be dating real maple e-girls while SEAkeks have to settle with AI visual novel slop
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Bots won.
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Bow to your Chinese overlords.
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>>737465749
ariant could introduce a goblin village planting toxic coniferous trees to expand their borders

they should spend less on asset creation and more on developing item/stat economy for class archetypes. spearman is getting skill changes suggesting the idea of dodgetank but completely divorced from itemization or stat building that would reinforce that idea
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>>737466285
>muh stats
Nah. No more autism timeline. Adventure first.
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>>737463981
Rip, that's GG on my interest in this then. An online test potentially a YEAR out from release is a joke. This is something you do when you're basically ready to launch and just want to generate hype before eventually launching an open beta then releasing the game. Nexon higher ups need to clamp down on this retarded gook, this shit does not need to take this long.
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>>737465953
>>737465861
This dude malding so hard over the maplesea event, mad that singapore is cucking you or what?
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Still not playing nu-maple
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>>737466673
It's still possible there was misunderstanding/mistranslation. Wait for the note after the beta ends.

If they officially announce no release for 2026 then yeah it's dead. Implying there will be another beta is concerning though.
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>uhm akshully we never called it a beta technically
yeah this dude's a retard and this will be doa. we're looking at potentially 2 years' separation between announcement and release. blizzard players didn't even wait that long for WoW classic and that was infinitely more work than porting a 4gb 2d side scroller mmorpg. nobody can convince me there isn't like 5 people working on this more or less in their free time
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>>737466726
Do you like AI art anon?
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>>737465821
Is Ossyria even going to be in on release?
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>>737466852
yeah, they are spread way too thin between classic and nu-maple and both are suffering for it
this really should have a full dedicated team while someone else can handle numaple with their full attention
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>>737466852
This was unironically a fear I had when I saw they called it "closed online test" rather than just saying it's a closed beta and I was coping that it was just a communication error or something. At this point I'm just taking everything at face value. This was basically pre-alpha, the actual beta has yet to happen, the team has no idea what should even be in the game day 1, nexon probably won't even let them release it remotely close to GMS events. We'd be lucky to get a release date during maplecon later this year. What a mess.
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Pservers have more devs than this
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>>737467047
Considering how much the mapleland devs are mogging this shitshow, the team has to genuinely be tiny as fuck while also forced to still work on both numaple and classic at the same time
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What's annoying is that the game in it's current state is mostly fine. All they have to do is fix the accuracy, make some simple balancing changes and you'd have a perfectly fine launch.

The hype will 100% diminish if they wait til next year.
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>>737467343
I'd say that making sure the game is ready for launch to retain players is more important than just getting it out as soon as possible
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The only acceptable balance changes is nerfing assassins to the ground
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>>737467469
and mage
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>>737467491
Mages are shit late game so their current state is acceptable
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>>737467461
The point is they spend 2 years working on this shit and yet the changes they made make artale look a masterpiece in comparison
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>>737467461
It is ready for launch though. Even the most critical eyes basically just think some formulas need to be adjusted and class balance needs more shake-up. Otherwise basically everybody had a good time. If I'm an exec in a boardroom, I'm 100% pressuring the team to move at a faster clip. This is a perfectly functional product that thousands of people want to play and spend money on sitting on ice for months and months on end with no communication.
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>>737467752
If he releases now you get a game with literally 1-2 weeks worth of content before people drop it
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>>737468138
Most players are in the 20-30 range right now, the ultra sweaty fags would bumrush to the end but the average joe would take months to get to 50+.
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i remember taking forever to get to 40 as a kid
and yet in cbt i did it in one week
anyone else think levelling is way faster in this version than old school?
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>>737464070
A lot of nuplers don't know that those rings don't cover stat rings in Classic.Nx rings and stat rings are in the same slot.
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>>737467752
Be more realistic. If you're a nexon exec right now what you are saying is actually 'this is a cool outline for the game but where is the forced progression gates until you buy hyper burning'
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>>737468494
you were probably dicking around more as a kid
as an adult you know better and can focus on tasks better
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>>737468606
If people wanted hyperburning they'd play maplestory live servers.
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>>737467469
ngl they were so goddamn privileged and pampered back then that they could be hit with just about any ridiculous nerf and I wouldn't feel bad.
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Reminder Mossad agents deleted tiger and suuushi.
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>>737461783
There's 10 jobs to choose from, they could have tried out another character.
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>>737466857
What the fuck
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Kobe got stream sniped by a GM.

https://www.twitch.tv/isiinggunz/clip/FilthySpicyHawkRaccAttack-1RJRbTMdiVdvjsuE
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>>737465073
I have seen fire arrow aim 360° also at point blank AND while jumping, meanwhile archers get fucked.
Mages are too OP.
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>>737460204
Thanks for the thread I almost forgot to get my chat ring
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>>737470240
I feel bad for the GMs. They were cool and everyone have fun with their events and attitude, then the test will end and everyone's gonna be pissed when nexon eventually just go completely silent on the game for another couple months.
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>>737470264
It's always been like that, every ranged attack that isnt an arrow locks in a broad cone from the exact point the projectile spawns while arrows are coded in a special way to travel about 200-300 units before they are able to deviate from their path at all. Theres also some wacky stuff with unique collision, mostly flaws for archer but a few benefits, but I dont trust any of the retards on the test server to be able to check that.
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>>737467752
Far from it
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>>737465821
>please I only have a year to live I need to play now the 'hype' will be gone
Sorry cancerbro, I want a better game.
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>>737468494
Yes and people want everything to be buffed so that it's even faster. People out here begging for a release next month so they can play a game that they'll run out of things to do in two weeks.
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Anons that got in, are you having fun?
How's the community aspect? Is everyone a silent autist or have you been able to have good interactions with strangers?
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>>737470987
>Having fun
Yes
>Community
Lots of autists and GMs seem fine with it even when megaphones got too wild daily.
>Strangers
Lots of talking in the usual zones, training spots not much talking.
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>>737470987
>Anons that got in, are you having fun?
Its how I remember the game in a lot of ways.
>How's the community aspect? Is everyone a silent autist or have you been able to have good interactions with strangers?
Hit or miss, some dont say anything at all and others dont shut up. People are for the most part silent when grinding(naturally)
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>>737470987
>How's the community aspect? Is everyone a silent autist or have you been able to have good interactions with strangers?
Same as always, some people just want to do their own thing. The game at least encourages grouping and it still has that classic maple feeling of sitting around in towns or in safe areas emoting at other players or talking about BS.
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Need mushroom game nyow.
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I give it a 8.5/10.
Archers need a buff.
Mages need a nerf.
Will wait for the next summer beta.
And i hope nexon arent being lazy fucks or scared because how people managed to hit 65+.
Next content would be Ossyria so it should be easy and fast to add unless they are also planning new content linked to it.
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>>737471565
>Archers need a buff.
if anything they need a nerf. I have not even heard a single person mention true classic experience, which is archers being forced to use generic spears and polearms well into their 20s because they cannot afford arrows.
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>>737471748
You can make 1000 arrows with 100 mesos on the crafting thing.
With all the tree brenches i collected from stumps and feathers from pigs i made 10k of them which lasted me till level 32.
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>>737471748
You really only needed to do that until like level 15. By level 20 you should be able to transition to actually using a bow.
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>>737470987
>fun
Tons. I never got second job as a kid and I managed to do it in this test.
>community
Really good, GMs run events, people are friendly and help each other, everyone was pretty nice about partying up for xp gain and sometimes you'd just grind in silence while other times people would recognize each other and make small talk. Too much smega spam but that's to be expected when we all got dozens of free uses a day assuming you spend all of your free LP on them. I expect the community to be pretty friendly when the game actually launches but honestly this is probably the nicest people will ever be since it's very small in population and there's no stakes. I'll miss it.
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wheres the best handhold guide for new maple
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>>737472125
Betas and such are usually very comfy in their own way. From the streams I've seen it has looked pretty fun in terms of community and social stuff. I wish I actually got in, but have to wait for release or open test if they do that.
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>>737470987
at one point i was grinding in a party and someone said they had to stop for the night, so they typed a little goodbye message to us then instantly ran off and teleported out before half the party had a chance to stop and say good night. cute mushroom game autism
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>>737472125
You're making me more sad that I didn't get in
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>>737472294
Yeah it was a funny mix of ultra sweaty super fans who probably got in from the maplecon guaranteed slot and play private servers, and people signing up on a whim who haven't touched the game in 20 years and don't remember anything. I imagine the open beta (which seems increasingly likely to happen) and final release will have a lot more of the latter than the former.
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>classic over
>numaple has new event
>except it's one of the worse ones with not even a hyperburning
how the HELL do you drop the ball this bad?
this is actually active self-sabotaging
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>>737472482
I'll be real I'm bummed for you, I got in on the second wave so I felt the disappointment of missing out at first and it sucks. The fomo is real. I was really hoping an open beta was around the corner for the people who didn't win the access code lotto but I dunno devs seem slow as hell. Hopefully you'll get a chance to go home soon with the rest of us tho.
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>>737472521
inkwell's note better not be a nothingburger like the last one
like i get that your region's team is busy but they need to understand that most people don't have that insight
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>>737465505
classes shine at different points. Warriors start to become big damage dealers in 3rd and 4th job, and are able to tank the increasingly harder hitting monsters and bosses that can 1 to 3 shot other classes. mages have garbage damage in 3rd job.
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>>737472750
I tried to tell that to people and they said everything should be strong all the time at all job advancements. Like modern.
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Remains under that Inkwell has strongly implied Classic won't release until 2027, and took issue with people calling the playtest a "beta".

It's over.
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>send out 4000+ keys
>not counting maplecon/Cafe users, only 200 or so actual users joined
>all the others were snatched up by key scalpers
>chinks across the pond get in without even needing keys
>game is apparently not good enough for a 2026 release according to Inkwell
lmao, this test could not have been handled worse.
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>>737464218
>Every time some retard here posts about how they still have their original mark of beta I just swipe, don't care.
That was cool back then because MapleStory was a new phenomenon, and being there from the beginning, not knowing it was going to become a huge popular game, felt special. A beta item now doesn't mean shit, times have changed. People desperately want to feel like they're part of something significant, but they're just clout chasers and it doesn't come naturally.
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>>737472924
hopefully all the puritan boomers are died or ACKed themselves by then
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>>737473070
on the other hand, zoomers' shit attention span means they'll forget about it the instant they see a GTA6 trailer
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>>737472924
Nexon always called it a "closed online test" and never a beta.

>>737473035
There were barely any bugs, the only ones i saw were:
>2nd job test monsters were stupidly high level for no reason.
>Garbled text for some NPCs
>You could jump down to the void in some places
But yeah they should hurry the fuck up and add everything else, demand is high and content is already there.
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>>737472750
Priests are the best farmers of 3rd job by far and have the most broken skill in holy symbol.

>m-m-muh bossing
Bad bossing damage does nothing to offset the fact that you are at an overwhelming disadvantage if you don't make a mage first.

It becomes even worse at 4th job. Doing anything other than leeching exp from a Bishop is inefficient exp.

The first and most obvious balancing change they should've made was nerfing clerics, but instead, they BUFFED them and gave them the best single target skill in the game, which can also function as a mobbing skill.
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>>737463981
No fucking way... They really only got 2 Koreans working on this shit, don't they?
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>>737473035
nuplers really are pissing and shitting themselves over classic aren't they?

jesus christ man
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>>737472485
There are still all types of players behind locked gates for sure, but I also believe the majority being more casual and chill. I personally fall to the no lifer category to some extent, but it's mainly because I just want to play the game and have fun. I just have the hours so things like no maximum level on PQs is also something I loved to see from the test.
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>>737473113
>Nexon always called it a "closed online test" and never a beta.
We know, but Inkwell making a point to remind players is evidence they are not releasing soon, which is stupid.

The server is clearly ready, and balancing shit is not a big job.
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At this point I'm expecting these retards to just ping the discord and poll people on whether or not they should just release the game. There's no vision or direction from the top right now.
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if holy symbol is nerfed the game wont last past 2 months
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>>737469883
you don't even get any interesting skills until after job change at 30, and that takes forever in og maple, not to mention how painfully boring it is pre 30. and even then you need an extra 20 levels before you can even start maxing out your main skills
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>>737473145
They are slow and inefficient. Willing to bet the gameplay source is a spaghetti mess.

Also worried they are putting waaaay too much emphasis on balance because so many annoying spergs like pic related keep crying about it.

It would be very dumb if the game is being delayed to go all Josh Sawyer on the balancing.
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>>737473213
Not a chance. They do not poll.
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>>737473228
>t. moronic bishoptranny
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>>737473228
>if holy symbol is nerfed the game wont last past 2 months
Other way around, keeping Holy Symbol is doomsday in the long run.
>>737473207
>>737473213
Reminder Inkwell was responsible for how Big Bang was handled and everything afterwards during his tenure as KMS head.
>>737473187
GMS had a fucking wet fart of an event whereas MapleSEA got a dating sim where 2 of the girls are behind a paywall.
>>737473353
All they have to do is fix the accuracy for now which they know is a problem. A bigger worry is when Ossyria is released since these clowns aren't going to have Orbis and El Nath at launch.
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>>737473389
Nemi asked a dude running an unofficial discord of all things to poll on whether or not pirates should be added. They're listening to the community probably too much.
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>>737473129
>The first and most obvious balancing change they should've made was nerfing clerics, but instead, they BUFFED them and gave them the best single target skill in the game, which can also function as a mobbing skill.
Then if they have even the slightest sense, this probably means they're just trying to make them more like a regular class so they don't break the game later with holy symbol and genesis. Holy arrow is really strong but functionally I don't see how it's any different than archer's double shot, the damage is divided between 3 enemies. Other mob skills have much higher damage potential.
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Will this be swarmed by thousands of BR roaches (like tree of savior) and be killed immediately? Or will it lock them in a 3rd world server to save us the headache.
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>>737473495
BRs are not what killed ToS.
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>>737473207
You can play other games autism-kun. Be patient.
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>>737473434
No, she just asked players in kerning city if they wanted pirates and the owner of that fan discord told her about his poll and she said 'ok'. Then she got the ick from someone asking for aran.

None of this even matters because everyone will lose interest by 2027.
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>>737473495
worse
it will be swarmed by a gorillion bugmen
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>>737473534
well everyone I know stopped playing solely due to the infestation.
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>>737473129
>Priests are the best farmers of 3rd job
Did you mean to say 4th or 2nd job? What are they farming in 3rd with Shining Ray?
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>>737473434
Asking someone to do something does not imply it will be the sole deciding, or even any amount of a deciding factor, on whether pirates get in.
It's just free information.
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>>737473562
It was the br's, not the complete lack of balance, content additions, and horrificly unrewarding grinds mired by technical issues and the global release being several years behind Korea?
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>>737473483
Holy Arrow is a 3-hit, double shot is 2 hits and clearly weaker. Double shot is even outclassed by arrow blow. Clerics also don't have to deal with bow whack.

Holy arrow is overpowered, simple as that. Clerics should not have the best single target DPS in the game.
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>>737473626
Hey wait a minute this sounds exactly like GMS in all its history
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>>737473626
How is ktos doing?
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>>737473626
believe it or not playing a game with every chat channel being nuked to shit with they roach speak does hinder the experience.
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>>737473536
You're an idiot making excuses though. They announced Classic over a year ago, it's a remake of a 23 year old game with 90% recycled assets, the server backend is stable and handles 200+ players on a map without issue.

There is no reason for why this should take 2 years to develop, and its not like GTA where the hype can sustain itself over a long time.
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>>737473662
>How is ktos doing?
Couldn't tell you. Last I heard they rebooted the game a year ago for phones in Korea only and the main game only gets gacha shit.
>>737473685
I'm aware, but the game was(still is) a trainwreck that never got off the ground due to the most inept developers possible.
A damn shame because i fucking love that games look, feel, and OST.
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>>737473582
Retard did you even play? Priests are by far the best farmers with heal alone. Notice how you didn't even name an alternative to the farming king.

Priests can make a shitload of money at zombies, mp3, homes, galloperas.
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>>737473861
isnt heal nerfed
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>>737473782
There's also no reason for you to be such a huge faggot but I don't mind as long as it doesn't interfere with what I'm doing now.
>muh hype
see >>737470727
It's not like we were even having threads about it before CBT date got close. It'll be the same when they inevitably have an open beta and then a release.
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>>737473880
I'm talking about Maplestory historically.
Heal being nerfed doesn't change much because they're still the best farmers with holy arrow combined with heal as a recovery + mobbing utility.
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>>737473129
No matter how many times you spam it across every thread, I'm not making a mage.
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>>737473895
You are coping, my retarded friend. The audience for a Maplestory Classic gets smaller by the week. It only gets harder and harder to win new players and boomers are not a growing demographic, particularly with cost of living getting higher.
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>>737473895
>It's not like we were even having threads about it before CBT date got close.
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>>737473959
>spamming
Take your meds, freak.

I don't even like mages, but they are broken and overpowered until nexon finally decide to nerf them. They have another 12 months of development to figure that out for the 600 players left who will play in 2027.
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>>737474047
Still not making a mage, tranny.
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>>737466987
>>737466852
I think they have all the developers they need for Classic. The product as shown in the play test looks sufficient for release.

The problem is they seem to think they need another year just to adjust the balancing.
Balancing is less important than releasing in a timely manner, especially considering MMOs always have rolling updates.

I could understand if the game was broken, if there was constant crashing, heaps of exploits, etc. But the playtest illustrates this isn't happening.
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>>737471565
>Mages need a nerf.
They don't. Everyone else needs a buff, besides sins
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>>737474312
Wrong retard. Mages should not be able to kill balrog at lvl 40
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>>737474000
Did I need to explicitly say
>anywhere as many
>>737473989
I'm literally in tears. All that massive hype for this game announced months ago. 7 trillion players were going to play this game.
>boomers are not a growing demographic, particularly with cost of living getting higher.
Yeah I forgot that video games aren't going to be a thing in a year. Video game sales have only been going down and with how expensive classic will be and the level of commitment you need just to enter, it'll be zero.
To think we all already pre-ordered the deluxe edition and paid for EA to the battle pass. It's over.
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>>737474383
Source?

A party of clerics killing a holy weak boss doesn't seem like a big deal either
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>>737474514
>source
You didn't see all the people in the beta discussions complaining about mages bypassing accuracy checks?
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>>737474285
Playing a game and your characters values being changed all the time is annoying as fuck.
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>>737474586
that's obviously going to be changed
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>>737474586
No, but mages never had accuracy problems, though. It's not a new development
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>>737463981
there's no way this is real

how could they do a test like this when they are this far from launch WTF
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>>737474826
Isn't Inkwell replying to Goldie in this screenshot?
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>>737474895
no, iara
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>>737474895
he uses "ready" like goldie does so I guess that makes more sense

god help us
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>>737474927
Well her request is a bit too harsh.
>>737475017
I just haven't seen any screenshots or messages from him actually give an answer to anything regarding release dates or even stuff like open test. Considering he didn't say anything during the cafe test either about release. He isn't likely to just drop information about any dates due to not wanting to set up any "official" dates for people to latch onto.

I still think release is going to happen in 2026, but not sure when. My guess was around summer time.
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>>737474427
NTA but you're being unbelievably disingenuous, why do you think execs push for certain release windows? to play off of hype and maximize profit. pretty much any company recognizes the value of "announce thing, generate hype, release thing, make profit". no game company thinks "Eh it'll be done when it's done" other than valve because they're not publicly traded and literally don't have shareholders barking at them to rush products out the door to make money
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>>737474514
https://youtube.com/shorts/WYBfTpzYPzc

>A party of clerics killing a holy weak boss doesn't seem like a big deal either
If you think it's fine for level 40s to be capable of killing a level 80 boss, then you have no idea and should stay away from mmo game design.
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>>737466852
Nexon has no moral compass or obligation to release the game. For all we know, this was just a test to gauge player interest and see if it is even worth their time releasing the game. I can only imagine it's a free money printer though, even if you only catch a few dedicated whales, the game must be super cheap to host.

I am just doomposting out of frustration now though.
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All in all, they need to publish a release date after the closed playtest.

If there is still no release date, that means it will release in 2027. If that happens, I am checking out and I know several others will too.

Already getting a massive ick from the implication of another beta for the stupid fomo bandana.
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anyone who wants it to release early basically wants it to flop anyway
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>>737475364
it starts to hurt if it goes on too long
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Check it out, this dumbfuck on the Maplestory discord wasn't even joking when he said this.
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>>737475364
No, this argument only works if the game is in a broken state.
The playtest was fine. Just fix the party UI crash, the accuracy and some balancing issues and it's fine for release. This isn't a lot of work.
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>>737475148
Sounds like a lot of fun, people, risk and teamwork involved, also, they only got like .1% exp

You're just a whiner
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>>737475237
Inkwell did say he is going to publish some info after the closed test, but that will likely be a week or two? It seems a possibility that they're doing an open test.
>>737475464
I don't know why someone would want to use public discord servers for anything, but information. I just treat them as forums and mainly look at informative stuff.
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>>737475590
Sorry anon, but you're a complete idiot.
Even those guys in the video admit this shouldn't be possible.
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>>737472654
nta anon, but
>there was a second wave of codes
>missed both waves
cool, I've only had an account since 2005.
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>>737475364
we watched sweaty nerds play it for a week and get to lvl 50

that would take most job havers a month or two

they should know people will spend money on NX anyways

no one believes the game isn't ready. the accuracy shit is overblown and should be easy to fix
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i also got in on the second wave after missing the first one and feeling like shit
but i also didn't notice the email till a few days later cause it was in the promotions tab and it was like huh wtf i'm in?
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lads, dinofries is about to finally hit level 50
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I just want to be an adventurefag again and have fun exploring new lands...
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>>737475679
Skill issue. Should've botted more accounts.
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>>737475148
>breaking benjamin bgm
I've been hard reset and now I have to find out if they're being ironic all over again
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if I get my BOYFRIEND into this game with me, what's the best 2-person combo? we both played the game a longass time ago, he likes bishop and i like dark knight and they both seem very meta, would that be a good self-sufficient duo pick you guys think?
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>>737475781
I did all the steps to avoid having it go to spam or get hidden behind filters. Still didn't get one, but atleast I wasn't going to miss a moment if I did haha.
>>737475797
I think his experience has shown another side to this leveling speed. He messed around with other things and did not really sit down and grind "hardcore" either. I think the experience rates are on the faster side, but that is just because I would have the hours to put in so it feels that way to me. Both Nemi and Inkwell were suprised at the speed of people hitting 50 which I'm not sure if they'll think about lowering the rates/speed. Hard to say since that would affect the majority a lot more, but maybe they want to slow the pace down in general more.
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>>737475645
>why someone would want to use public discord servers for anything
>I just treat them as forums
They do treat them as forums, but instead of what you do they use it as a chatroom. There's no difference between the forum goers from the 90s and these trooncord aficionados.
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>>737475904
fag
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>>737475904
probably
you could funnel him all the mana pots if he does healing and you'd be guaranteed to get into groups
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>>737475661
I don't know why you're being so emotional

Anyway, the solution is not to nerf classes that feel good to play right, but to buff all the garbage ones
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>>737475979
yes i am a fag and my gay faggot boyfriend will play healer for me in rpgs, dont be too jealous
>>737476053
epic, thanks king, he will be my lemon whore
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you niggas are actually hyped to play a maple reskin with even slower progression and the old shitty maps.
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>>737476092
ye you'd definitely save on a ton of mesos. i'm jelly that you will have a pocket healer
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>>737475840
Some of the in-game larping has been unreal too.
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>>737475904
The classic combo is priest and dragon knight.
Enjoy playing it in 2027.
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>>737475840
for me it's 009 sound system dreamscape
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Thoughts on Niru's prank on johawk?

https://youtube.com/shorts/B7Osbm5VNvk
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>>737475953
I do talk on discord aswell, but that's just with friends or potentially small closed servers. These bigger public discords just seem awful to talk in from what I've seen.
>>737475904
Bishop is very likely to be a solid pick for any combination really. I do think there is a good chance Bishop+Any warrior will be a solid combo.
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>>737475939
I hope they don't fall into the trap of thinking grinding = infinite content machine. It's fine to have long term goals for people who like to grind but that shouldn't be the top priority of the game
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>dinofries 92%
holy shit its actually happening
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>>737476353
Well the distinction was public servers and not private. I also use transcord for VOIP with e-friends because none of us could be bothered to setup a teamspeak or mumble server. Codecs good enough for a nonpaid service.

>These bigger public discords just seem awful
No argument there.
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>>737476435
>>737476349
Buy an ad eceleb scum. Also, buy a life and take a bath
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>>737476515
Cry, idiot.
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>>737476532
Anyone would weep after getting near you. Wash your fucking asses you drug addicts
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>>737476561
Cry.
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sex with Nemi
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dinofries is /ourguy/ so its ok
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>>737476370
Absolutely agree. I think stuff like PQs, quests, jump quests, GM events, economy and trading, socializing and unlocking new areas are some of the stuff that come to my mind when I think about old maple. I do think a lot of the stuff runs from the core of slow leveling gameplay loop. I hope they do focus on these other aspects aswell so people who don't always want to just grind in a map have something to do aswell if it gets too tiresome or need a break.
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>game releases
>streamers play the game non-stop until they run out of content
>complain to Nexon that Classic sucks because it has no end game content
>meanwhile most people won’t even be 2nd job
This is 100% what’s gonna happen, isn’t it?
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>>737476859
they wont run out of content
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>>737476859
All of the ultra sweaty streamers who no-life'd to 50 seem the most desperate for the game to just release already honestly. Drawing this out as long as they are is just an unforced error on the dev's part, nobody wants this.
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Can you believe dino finally reached level 50?
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I want to play. I don't want to go back to the depths of waiting for months and months.
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>all the community coming together on the same map when someone hits lvl 50 to celebrate
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>>737477281
I just got 2nd job and now they're taking it away from me. I just want to grind in mushroom game. What's wrong with them?
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its worse because the other game i want to play has ran 4 playtests pushed the game back over a year and still has more playtests coming
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>>737476859
I hope so that they rush to get Ossyria and Ludi out
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>>737477385
Don't worry bro they will do another beta before releasing in 2028
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>dawn of the final day
>watching dinofries stream
>he goes to lith harbor
>all the people around the ship holding up messages
>"goodbye guys", "it was fun playing with you", "we had a great time"
>lith harbor music in the background
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>>737477281
go play numaple or some cashgrab private server, retard
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>>737477852
>private server,
Maple horizons seems like a good pserver to play until classic releases. Possibly even beyond, considering nexon is likely to mess up classic
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>>737476859
>until they run out of content
they have hundreds of content to work with up until BB
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hey guys welcome to my solo self found [insert worst class here] to max series
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>>737460204
I really hope they bring anvilling to classic
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>>737463981
A FUCKING YEAR FOR A 2006 GAME? this shit is coming out AFTER gta 6? are we joking? I already have no faith in nexon doing this justice just fucking release it already so it can die quickly
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I remember when MS2 had a battle royal mode before it released. It was so fucking weird
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>>737478458
More like 2 years. Its already been in development for a year.
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>>737478340
Only yut
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>minimum 1 year away
the world might fucking end before then inkwell PLEASE
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>>737479290
That's what you get for voting Trump
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>>737479978
I voted Kamala thoughbeit
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>>737478537
If you look at Nemi's linkedin it's actually been in development for over 2 years actually so it's way worse
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>>737480431
How is development this fucking slow? Do they only have 3 people working on it? A private server could have implemented these changes at this rate.
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>>737480501
Literally every video game these days does this shit. Why are you so surprised?
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>>737480501
They could release it right now, but because so many autistic fucktards cried about balance they're going to spend another 12 months josh sawyering the game until they think it's just right.

The hard work is actually done. Maps can handle 200+ players without problem.
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>>737480749
It does not take 12 months to change some damage numbers.
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Can we all agree nuMaple has some incredible BGMs?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lyp4mlh3abI
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>>737480809
This is true, but by all reports and chat screenshot, this is what they're allocating all focus to now.
They should be releasing it asap but nexon isn't known for making good decisions. We'll see what they officially say after the closure.
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>>737480809
it takes 12 months to figure out a way to monetize it
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>>737480809
What the fuck even changed between the inhouse test and this one? For nexon na it does apparently
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i watched some classic and the game seems approachable and comfy
i then watched some live maple today and, well, what is going on
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>>737481726
>i then watched some live maple today and, well, what is going on
press button to spawn big numbers: the game
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>>737480884
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pNUO1eFYfBY
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>>737481726
That happens with a lot of games once they've been online for a long time and received a ton of updates/expansions/dlcs. It takesa little bit of time to get to a point where you start to understand everything the game has and how the systems work.
Classic will be much easier to get into due to how simple it is to start and pick up. How long will this stay the case is left to be seen. If they can keep the updates and content in the style of classic it will continue to be rather simple as there isn't too much depth to classic outside of knowing about the content that will be added.
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>>737481726
nothing changed? instead of grinding individual mobs, you grind entire platforms
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Maplestory 2 was better
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>>737482194
based but raids with gearscore sucks
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>>737482298
>shroom shat out mushrooms
wut
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>>737482194
It was good during beta then they completely ruined it on actual launch
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>>737482194
it was good as a concept and it was good before they reworked it 4 times
it was good in cbt and in global release too until they fucked up the raid scaling and made everything a timegate, an rng gate, or both at the same time.
At least I can dress up my chibis in the private server. Hopefully the game itself becomes playable within a year.
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is it really going to be over tonight
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>>737482829
It's over untill we are back for launch...
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>>737482194
no, it sucked
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>>737480884
they're good, very grandiose scores but it couldn't replicate the quirkiness and cartoony feel of old maple. This is why the new area seems out of place, the music belongs in numaple.
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when is the full release
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>>737460204
Did they ever add respeccing to the game?
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Is /msg/ right about Classic?

>>>/vg/564488939
>Brother that is 100% just nostalgia, the appeal of classic is that it's a familiar game that you've played before and you find comfort in playing a game you are already familiar with and have a prior connection to.

>This is one of those classic boomer retard copes that is again, false, in modern maplestory you spend hours running bosses with your party every week, learning actual fun new bosses with mechanics.
>When I started playing modern maplestory I made loads of friends by chatting with people farming the same map as me, modern maps are packed and friends often train together, this idea that "modern maplestory has no socialisation" has got to be the most retarded cope from classic players to ever exist, if your dumb ass actually made it out of the tutorial you would know this, people still henyhoe in modern, people still emote in modern, people still make friends and chat in modern, if anything we are more social, in the beta all I saw was people walking into a map, saying "inv please" then mindlessly killing mobs for hours.
>You are not better than us, you are exactly the same, there is literally zero difference, spamming kpq with random is not better "socialisation" than joining a static group and killing bosses together each week, you absolutely make friends in modern
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>>737485208
hes wrong
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>>737485208
I don't care because modern maple isn't for me regardless. I quit it for a reason.
Now go back.
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Behold, the worst Classic World takes you'll ever see in your life from a modernfag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g9YgZMxFn4
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Is this how the discussion is going to be in the guild(s) aswell.
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>>737485361
yes but add more slurs
you are genuinely better off avoiding any /v/ guilds
you can maybe get away with hanging out in one of the /vg/ guilds
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>>737485208
Yes but it is wrong on one major thing.
Modern literally limits you to only one or two people per grinding map due to the game's design. Otherwise it's a decent post.
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please, PLEASE, nerf mages
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I pity numaplefags, they are beyond saving
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>>737485625
The game will release in 2027, plenty of time to balance the game.
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>>737485625
I'm glad mages are taking all the seething so people completely ignore thieves
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>>737485749
*sins
bandits are still shit
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>>737485625
go play numaple where everyone is strong instead and stop crying
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I'm gonna play Xbowman and I don't care if they're the worst
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>>737485964
I'm playing xbow aswell!
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what i don't understand is why all these random snails and slimes and mushrooms have to die
like literally millions murdered for nothing
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>>737485964
I will also play Crossbowman if they fix that shit where you can't target anything a pixel below your character sprite.
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>>737485964
you will be rewarded with the strongest single target dps skill in 4th job, 100% crit, 100% accuracy, 100% chance to knockback, 100% instant-kill on mobs. Stay strong my brother
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>>737473145
Nigger they just put a woke euro in charge of the corporation because nobody there understands game design. It's a problem from top to bottom they could have an entire battalion of koreans on MS Classic it would still be mediocre because they don't fucking get it.
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I liked La Tale more than Maple Story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I30z7alXH0M
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>>737486281
didn't they recently relaunch or something?
a lot of the maple-likes have had relaunches in last year, like wonderking suddenly came back outta nowhere for example
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>>737486108
I think the devs put them there to train on
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>>737486179
>strongest single target dps skill in 4th job
Anon I love Marksman but let's not revise history. They were near bottom tier.
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>>737485208
>you spend hours running bosses with your party every week, learning actual fun new bosses with mechanics
No hes retarded. Actually think about this for ten seconds. You run bosses every week forever, nothing about them changes except for how much of the fight you can eventually brute force. These fights are not meant to be challenging, they are built from the ground up to be repeatable grinded content. They often have one gimmick that is interesting when they are new which lasts for maybe the first three encounters before you have them completely solved. The only point is the spectacle.
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>>737486319
Idleon started making big money as a solo project indie mmo and devs realized that audiences didnt stop desiring the 2d mmo platformer experience, everyone simply stopped providing them
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>>737485208
that anon said earlier that 'modern maple is actually amazing' yea if you like daily/weekly chores and expiring items. There is so much wrong with modern maple its insane how it even has players putting up with it.
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>>737486683
How is that any different from classic PQs where nothing about them changes? Or from grinding in a party where you are hitting the same mobs for hours on end?
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>>737486529
I didn't say anything about being top tier, I just said the truth.
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>>737486793
The difference is that when you advance ten levels you move on to new content. In numaple you recycle all of the same content (except for some reason its also only the shittiest of the new new content) forever.
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>>737486529
nta this is one of those "people had no idea how to play the game back then" things
marksmen actually outdpsed bowmasters if they had a bucc to SI them. both were second fiddle to nightlords and corsairs when those two were given sharp eyes though
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>>737486867
It wasn't the strongest single target DPS skill either, unless you're looking at most damage in a single hit.
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opened a random twitch stream vs the OP
totally the same guys
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>>737486529
according to this korean maple historian, xbowman/marksman actually became sleeper op over a series of buffs and became actually very good. it's just that amount of players was so low that nobody noticed how good they became. english subtitles included

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTlhV_3TwSw
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>>737486994
I used to think Bowmasters were amazing until people that actually played them talked about how annoying it was to get knocked back out of hurricane constantly. Sounds like cancer to play.
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>>737486793
nta but pqs are more analogous to arcane/grandis/etc dailies without the weekly limit. Grinding now is more or less the same, hitting a bunch of mobs endlessly except now you have flashy full map attacks that you spam every now and then. Bossing is where modern maple did kinda right, mixing DPS with strategy. Apart from PB, most old school bosses were pretty much DPSing bosses to death and not dying once.
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>>737487126
another annoying thing about bowmasters is that holding down hurricane counts as a button press for the anti-botting mechanic, so you have to constantly shimmy back and forth more often than every other class does
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>>737487126
Genuinely strafe is better dps against everything unless you are full buffbar against a static boss
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>>737486995
yea, strongest damage per one second
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>>737487046
NO SKILL TRANSPARENCY TOTALLY FIXES IT NUMAPLE ISNT BROKEEEEEEEEN also its scary to think numaplerfags are women, now it makes sense how batshit insane you'd have to be to still play the game
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>>737487257
its mostly frail asian ladies or effeminate western femboys
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Do not listen to anyone telling you that Marksman will be a good option. Do not play the class and most importantly just don't even bother selling the scrolls to randoms. I will buy them from you and take one for the team by picking this class that is unplayable and deals no damage and is horrible please don't play it.
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>>737487605
Pray they keep minimum range in, that will filter the masses even if they buff archers out the ass.
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>>737487257
same, but for classic
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>>737487605
snipe was so broken. even though it displayed 1 damage, it was actually doing the damage cap on bosses with weapon cancel.
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>>737487708
Honestly from the way I see it. They just need to fix the accuracy, fix the odd vertical range, fix how arrow blow is behaving oddly and maybe buff power knockback and amazon's judgement to some degree. That alone would already make the bow whacking not that big of a deal, but the filter is that you need to reach like level 46 to max out power knockback and finally have some control over platforms that are smaller or have monsters spawning on top of you.
Other than that I welcome any buffs on top of these, but I think the class would be fine even if they don't buff the damage. I'm also being cheeky and thinking they might tune the 3rd job and 4th job better due to how little these classes were played, but we will see. I just love the idea of piercing arrows through enemies and the mastery having 20% to ignore weapon defense is something I see having extremely good potential much further into the game. That or they just leave em meh, but I still wanna go for it.
>>737487982
I do remember hearing about this and it is probably not exactly intended to behave like that. I wouldn't mind that, but we'll see. Main issue is of course how they go about 4th job and mastery books if those come back.
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>>737488154
Yeah, for me its just the accuracy for all classes, buff bowman vertical range so it becomes more of a cone and the aoe spell bugs then the 4th job payoff for archers becomes worth enduring a year or 2 of not being 4th job
3rd job itself is going to be a huge shakeup probably considering how many filler or garbage skills there are at 3rd and they already made changes to a bunch of 2nd job stuff
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>>737460204
maplestory fucking sucks. you cannot go back to 2006. stop it retards
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>>737488154
i really hope they revert that double shot hitting 2 mobs change. it sounds good but it's so fucking shit. i don't want to use arrow blow until strafe.
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>>737488602
Nope, not stopping. Cry more idiot.
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>>737488490
I do hope archers end up being nice to play and a lot of these things I would've loved to test myself in the closed test atm. It's really hard to say from just watching others play how it actually feels to use power knockback and just in general get the feeling of the class.
A lot of my thoughts and planning include 3rd job and 4th job that are likely to come much later, but I don't really consider the 1st and 2nd job a problem for me. I'll get past both rather easily so I think about how the class would potentially feel to play in much later content and areas. That and the ignore weapon defense on mastery is something I still think has very good potential if they allow it to shine.
>>737488650
Sadly I didn't get to test it out myself, but I was planning on going with arrow blow and potentially SP resetting once I have Iron Arrow maxed out. That or wait till 3rd job and potential strafe untill reset. I just don't know how important having amazon's judgement maxed out is with power knockback. Focus is likely not going to be as much of a mandatory thing with accuracy changing, but still would put the rest in there.
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>>737489130
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How far do you want the game to be updated?
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>>737460285
FPBP
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>>737487046
Nice strawman, but having damage lines fill up the screen is completely optional.
Nostalgia trannies literally cannot advocate for their shitty server without resorting to reductio ad absurdum.
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>>737489340
third job and pirates
no 4th job
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>>737489340
It's not mimicking the original release schedule, sperg.
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I/L is actually the best first character to make if you want to make money. Cold Beam is the best thing for farming Red Drakes and Steelies will probably be THE most expensive thing on the market for the first few months.
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>>737489573
>farming Steelies from Red Drakes
>1/25000 drop
Oh boy I can't wait to never see a single one drop because I'm not a chinese bot farm
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>>737489340
They did say not necessarily taking the exact route of updates just like the original game went. I think the main important part is how the game actually feels to play. I'm very much supportive of some changes and personally I don't mind a lot of the stuff other people would say do not belong in classic or is too much.
>>737489573
It can be smart to go into launch with this sort of knowledge in mind aswell, but I would rather play the class I want from the start. I never really enjoyed the idea of making a class just because it prints money or is top dps.
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>>737489346
The damage lines are an objective representation of what's happening you idiot. Those are literally 50 hits per second attack sequences, and disabling them is akin to pretending they don't exist.

I know autists like you desire visual stimulation, but there are also many people who yearn for simplicity. I don't care for complex multi hit attack sequences. I like being the simple generic guy in a cool virtual world.
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>>737486771
Everyone got too scared from doing it because 99% of MMOs ended in financial ruin a decade ago.
Now its piss cheap to host games and its only the licencing and developing costs.

Also Mobile market died down and people returned to PC.
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>>737489676
You make the character who makes money first, then you make the character you ACTUALLY want to make. So some flavor of Mage first (all have pros and cons) and then make your pet Bowman or sin or whatever
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>>737487046
>endgame vs tutorial
now show a 4th job mage in prebb training
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>>737485964
Iron Arrow is insane. Far from the worst.
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>>737489852
I'll make my crossbow from the start as I enjoy just playing one character. I do know it's better to have an easier time to farm money and stuff which makes funding a character easier, but it's just not for me. I also play a lot more than the average person so it doesn't hold me back too much for just going with one character.
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>>737489694
Does it matter if an attack does 60% 3 times, or 180% once? It's still the same amount of damage at the end of the day. You really don't need to see each individual damage line, you only need to know if you're able to one shot the mob.
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>>737486683
>These fights are not meant to be challenging
>>737486950
>In numaple you recycle all of the same content

The biggest critics of modern maple are the people who have no clue what it plays like at all, yet the biggest critics of classic maple are those who have played maplestory for decades and know exactly what it's like. Funny isn't it?
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>>737487118
There's positives and negatives. They did buff Snipe from 10 seconds to 5, and then from 99,999 damage to 199,999. But there are problems like server lag so it wasn't an exact 5 second cool down, more like 4~7 seconds. Also since a portion of your damage is fixed, Marksmen got the least out of onyx apples. On the other hand there were still positives to Snipe such as a chunk of damage that ignored weapon defense and cancel weapon attack. While other classes will deal 1 damage, you can still hit max damage around every 5 seconds. Also due to how the class functions you have various ways you are being pulled when investing into skills. Do you want an easy in for bosse? Sharp Eyes beyond level 9 isn't impactful for your damage in training or bossing. Do you want to train? Snipe is just a massive SP sink, it is either left at level 1 or 30. Piercing Arrow would want to be at level 21 to hit 6 monsters and then investing points into Marksman Boost since PAs uncrit damage is still intense.

I really don't care what others have to say, packing monsters up with Dragon Breath and Piercing them is satisfying.

When it comes to early 4th job, a Snipe first build will out damage a lot of other classes, but eventually they will close the gap by 150 at least.
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>>737490070
In classic, attacks do 1-3 lines per attack, with the exception of bandit's savage blow which hits 6 lines and is unique to bandit.

No instances of 5 jillion lines of damage like this mess >>737487046
That shit is just too busy.
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>>737490263
I've played both and keep coming back to classic for a reason. Sorry sperg.
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>>737490393
As the other anon pointed out, you can make it so the damage lines stack on top of each other so you only see one line per mob. So why does it matter how many lines a skill does?
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>>737490571
You keep missing the point tardo, does your autism inhibit you from learning? It doesn't matter if you disable the visual when its still 5 jillion hits in the actual gameplay, and shit you have to account for in fighting and measuring damage.

Old Maplestory is 2 hits, 2 damage numbers, nice and simple.
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why does it seem like so many people from here got access? wasn't it only like 1-2k normal people who got access when not accounting for the pc cafe + maplecon attendees? kind of crazy so many people here got in even though there must be at least 500k+ accounts signed up
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>>737490445
is that why most of your critique of modern can be applied to classic as well? Instead of complaining about the things that modern does that were never in classic, you instead complain that bosses are no challenge, just like in classic, and you say that leveling up only unlocks recycling of the same content, yet is that really any different in classic then especially with them adding forgotten hollow and it literally just being that?
There is so much valid problems to complain about with modern maple yet you basically just showcased how you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about instead.
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>>737490808
This just shows you don't understand how mobbing in maplestory works, or even bossing. The individual lines do not matter, it's the overall damage of the skill.
>are you able to one shot mobs with your mobbing skills
If yes, you're good. If no, you need to get stronger or move down to a lower level mob.
In bosses everything is based around percentages. You don't think "hmm yes I am going to do 50 lines of damage that are each 1 million damage." You look at how much percent of the boss's health within a time frame, usually your 2 minute burst cycle or 6 minute including the origin skill, and if you aren't able to do 100% over the maximum time for the boss, you need to get stronger or work on getting better at the boss so you can be more efficient.
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>>737490808
you don't have to account for anything, maplestory isn't a complex game, you just hit enemies, the amount of lines doesnt matter at all, they could make every skill a single line and it wouldnt impact the gameplay
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>>737491037
"Buy"' a key off ebay and dispute or charge back. Been posted a ton of times now. I didn't get in either wave but I still ended up with a key
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Watched Kobe's steam today where he completed his "solo hkaling".

Deadass could not tell what the fuck was happening. I think he lowered the opacity of his skills so it didn't look like he was doing anything but I guess he was attacking. Then there was so much other vfx shit saturating the screen and I got no idea what the fuck is going on.

It's. Just. Too. Busy.
I can see why this might appeal to people with autism who desire visual stimulation and fast gameplay, but its not to my taste.

Just don't understand why modernspergs have such a hard time understanding why people prefer the simplicity of classic.
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What is this autism?
>>737491053
>>737491063
>>737491160

did someone link this thread on /msg/ or something?
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Thanks but I'm not playing modern Maplestory :)
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>>737491296
nobody asked you to
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Then stop bringing up modern Maple if you aren't trying to convince anyone to like it.
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>>737491063
>The individual lines do not matter, it's the overall damage of the skill.
nta i just wanna chime in and say that linestory was absolutely a meme in late 4th job and most of 5th job's eras
in fact it was mathematically nearly impossible for some classes to liberate until nexon split attacks on certain classes (e.g. 500% x 2 hits down to 125% x 8 hits) due to damage caps
it mainly mattered in a bossing context tho so you're still partially correct in that mobbing only cares about if you one tap
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>>737491337
You are clearly desperate for people to join you judging by the effort of your autistic longposts and embarrassing attempts to argue.

We're not playing with you little buddy.
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>>737491465
I've made one whole post responding to the autist who thinks amount of lines changes the gameplay, maybe just come up with legitimate complaints if you want me to join in on shitting on modern, there's plenty of reasons why its bad so it's funny when people can't hit on those points
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>see numaplecucks desperately trying to shill their autism cube game again
>mfw just continuing my party grind

https://youtube.com/watch?v=V1yVgBYU2zg
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>>737491426
I agree, back when the damage cap was lower lines did matter, same as how in Final Fantasy when the damage cap is 9999 multihits become better than regular skills, however we're past that point of the game because the damage cap got raised further. I'm pretty sure when the 6th job skills were introduced they split out the damage for some classes across extra lines specifically to avoid hitting the damage cap on them and missing out on damage.
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>>737491542
>who thinks amount of lines changes the gameplay
Nobody said this you illiterate idiot.
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>>737461335
name?
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>>737491751
except the guy who said it, yeah
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>>737491918
I am sorry you were born with a literal brain defect, anon.
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These threads had me want to try the game again for old time's sake. Why are all of the maps on multiple straight platforms to maximize grinding? Why is all the adventure gated behind quest zones?
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>>737491175
Maybe because Inkwell is pissing away his resources, burning the community and creating fake hype just so he can replicate this?
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>>737487046
modernfags are such autistic losers
you should see them passive aggressively non replying to each other in their dead /vg/ general
classicGAWDS are going to save the IP
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>>737493403
Is that why you are spamming the general?
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It's actually mad how angry /msg/whales are getting over classic.
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>>737493440
go back, autistic loser
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>>737493610
and constantly crying about numaple makes you not autistic?
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>>737493585
It's glorious. Tens of thousands of hours on dailys and money wasted on NX only to watch as their game slowly fades away to the background.

Sooner or later they will realize what worthless pieces of garbage they are.
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>>737493776
this post isn’t helping your case
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>>737493801
I know right, classic is so good which is why this thread has literally just been crying about numaple for over an hour instead of actually discussing our superior game!
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>>737493986
It's actually because you /msg/whales came here to cry about classic and /v/ put you in your place yet again.
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>>737494086
I know right, we have so much to talk about our amazing game that all we do is actually just not do that and instead cry about a different game!
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>>737493801
what kind of person supports nexon after they got exposed by the government for scamming their customers? KEK
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Is the farming etiquette still exist? If not I’m fucking everyone’s experience with my raiding buddies
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>>737485350
is there a way to watch it without giving views to someone with bad takes, or a tl;dw
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>>737490070
>retard doesnt know defense

Lmao
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>>737489340
Why is this list showing Ludi PQ coming out after Orbis PQ and at the same time as Henesys PQ? It was way earlier than that.
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sin or archer if i only intend to do pq and bossing??? farming is cringeshit
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>>737497039
archer unironically
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>>737496343
It would help if you knew about how the game worked. Monsters in maple have percentage based defense, not flat defense, so any attack you do is being reduced by a percentage. If a two skills with different amounts of lines but the same overall damage percentages are used against the same enemy, they both would be reduced equally.
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>>737497039
archer, sin would not even have been a consideration if you knew how expensive they are
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There is no way they are dumb enough to push this out to next year are they? Do they not understand how brains work? Blue Protocol tried that and it didn't pan out for them. Hype can and does die. People do lose interest. Despite the constant threads here, people will play other things if this takes to long. They need to strike while the iron is hot, especially since they can grab a lot of people willing to whale right now since nothing else is taking the throne.
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>>737491248
/msg/ is literally a discord troon general
and being the discord troons they are, it's in their primal instinct to groom anyone they see

if you do spot them, it's best to just not interact with them whatsoever because there's no winning against autists
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>>737497547
this is true
If this doesn't come out by the end of next month I'm getting on a different hype train
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>>737497547
You are looking at them doing this as an intentional decision, when in reality nexon NA is just incompetent and it genuinely does just take them that long to fix the game. They can barely even manage copy pasting updates from KMS to GMS without breaking everything, and setting up classic world is orders of magnitude more complicated compared to that.
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>>737495580
the worst take is that he thinks the game should have more handholding and asks Nexon to add a main story quest to Classic
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>>737497547
>Blue Protocol tried that and it didn't pan out for them
blue protocol's problem was the game was unironically shit at the time and amazon wanted to remove more shit from it because the localizers were the types who hate anything japanese
i agree with your point that the game should not be delayed, but that's one of the worst examples you could have used

a better example would be sega not releasing pso2 to global for 8 fucking years which was also similarly due to incompetence
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>>737497508
why are sins so expensive? don’t they get potion saving skills and increased meso drop?
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>>737497770
Friendly reminder PSO2 only even got the english release because of Microsoft's involvement, except Microsoft is also the reason why they killed PSO2 to replace it with NGS in the first place.
Literal monkey paw ass situation.
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>>737496858
Probably mixed up with ludi maze PQ (the second one)
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>>737497547
I don't think they are going for a 2027 release. I still believe in the 2026 and just waiting for closed test to end and have them announce something after a bit of time has passed. Be it open test or launch, but I'm not thinking 2027 just yet.
>>737497831
nta but assassin will be extremely popular and you are fighting for items and equipments that people are willing to pay like five hundred bucks for if offered the option.
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>>737497831
it is almost exclusively due to the popularity of the class assassins have the highest damage and with so many people playing it and due to how the mechanics of the class worked even slight equipment upgrades get exponentially more expensive.
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>>737497547
>while the iron is hot
Are zoomers even aware of this game?
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>>737498062
It's more than likely they will just say
>thanks for enjoying the closed test, we will have more info to share with you shortly
and then just say nothing for half a year.
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>>737486278
Where are all the Koreans that worked on the original MapleStory? It wasn't perfect but they were clearly competent enough to make a fun game on a first try. The game was arguably balanced better then that this beta is now.
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>>737498476
I'm not falling for doomerism mindset just yet. I believe and will stay optimistic about this.
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>>737490393
You can also count your damage and get an estimate of how good your DPS is. Hitting your first 10k used to feel special.
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>>737498639
You should always be dooming when it comes to Nexon. If you start out disappointed and know they most likely will fuck up anything better than that is a net positive. Just assume the worst, Nexon got that reputation for a reason.
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>>737499015
It's a real shame this game is stuck with Nexon. That is an option of course going with no real hope so no matter how bad it is you're already dead inside. Yet, I'm retarded so I believe it's going to be fine and we'll meet at launch soon.
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>>737499015
Also Inkwell is notorious for fucking up.
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>>737481480
>What the fuck even changed between the inhouse test and this one?
They nerfed everything to the ground, for some reason
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>>737497547
Blue Protocol lost hype when they announced the Global version would be led by Amazon.
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>>737500336
that version never even came out, it's a completely different game to what actually released.
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>>737498635
Nexon bought out wizet and shackled them investor profit margins until they left (source: my ass) Though I know for a fact the guy who made maple already died a few years ago
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>>737497547
As long as they don't take multiple years from testing to release like Blue Protocol did and also not being shit helps, I think classic will still have hype and a big initial playerbase. Maple Idle had 0 advertising and in an oversaturated genre and still got to 1 million downloads in the first week just from the IP name alone. Maple Classic has the name and nostalgia. People have been asking and waiting for an official classic server for over a decade, another year is nothing. And as someone who has played the closed test, its probably for the best to let it cook a bit more than if they were to release it as is like Inkwell said they could back in 2025 maplecon.
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>>737489912
Still way less bloated
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>>737497831
Not only will your regular equipment be expensive, but you will want a bunch of stars as well. You'll either be grinding your ass off or paying a bunch to get multiple play sets of steelies.
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>>737498639
Too much sun without proper soil and watering will wither any tree, though.
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>>737500972
What is there to test? is this the teams first MMO or something? if the og devs arent working on it I have zero hope
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>>737502116
balance, economy, progression. have you ever played an MMO before?
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>>737501406
Tsk... next you're gonna tell me I can't eat NX cards for breakfast since I'll get microplastics and henehoeism. You'll be the first one to get in the party on launch whether you like it or not.
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>>737502385
The game is 20 years old, shillbot.
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>>737498635
https://en.namu.wiki/w/%EC%9D%B4%EC%8A%B9%EC%B0%AC
He quit working in the games industry completely after maplestory 2.
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>>737502560
the 20 year old game is also dogshit despite what your rose-tinted spectrum goggles say
if the game was objectively good then private servers wouldn't be dime a dozen flops.
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>>737502919
20 year old game constantly gets private servers? Must be amazing then.
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70~100 hours for level 50.
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>>737489340
i don't want remastered old patches. I just want the good content available day one.
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>>737503498
It's going to be Victoria Island. No matter how much you bitch it won't change that.
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>>737503498
Everyone playing Classic disagrees on what "the good content" is, so how are the devs supposed to know?
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>>737503690
Genuinely dead on arrival tier fuck up
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Victoria Island is peak maple
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>>737503940
To you. A lot of people are enthusiastic with areas slowly being introduced.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUuBNsDDHfM

Why is nexon balance so atrocious? Even today. For example, like in vid related, hermit is much much more superior to Chief Bandit, it's ridiculous
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>>737504772
>Source: my asshole
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>>737500972
>whats another year
Sometimes I wonder if you don't just realize how long a year actually is. A lot of things can happen in a year.
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>>737503714
the made up people in your head don't count
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>>737504974
Like a better Maplestory alternative? 20 years and there still isn't one. As long as they don't release it within a month of GTA6, I think they're fine.
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>>737505076
Okay so should pirates be in or not?
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>>737504772
As long as I get to experience maplestory at a better pace than OG fags I will whale hard. No waiting years for region updates. I will get the definitive maplestory experience :)
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>>737505259
maplestory is mmo
the mmo alternative is gacha
and gacha is winning by a landslide
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>>737505734
Most new mmos are also gachas
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>>737505259
all games compete for attention and time, Genshin impact dealt a massive blow to the MMO space at the time of its arrival. Same with MOBAs for the pvp audience. Other genres compete for a slice and those genres are winning on all fronts. That guy that would be getting into classic? Something else gets announced in the fall and he goes there instead. This really shouldn't have to be explained.
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>>737504964
My asshole is a better source than a thread shitter.
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>>737505358
no lol
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>>737505865
So what's gonna come out earlier, Mabinogi Mobile or Maplestory classic?
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>>737505734
>>737505791
maplestory IS gacha, maplestory literally introduced the word gacha to the international gaming industry
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>>737505948
Yes so people already can't decide what should be in classic or not, considering down jump is in and that was added after pirates.
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>>737506050
Ragnarok Online 3
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>>737476349
idc about niru but i genuinely think johawk's videos are entertaining
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>>737505734
>>737505865
Genshin Impact blew up because there was nothing to play at the time, true but also a big one was cause of the covid lockdowns with everyone at home. Also mmos were (and still are) pretty dead with barely any new ones coming out. So I wouldn't say Genshin affected MMOs they were still pretty dead before and after Genshin. I think the person looking to play classic probably has played it before or if not, wants to play an mmo specifically and not a 20-30 minute daily mobile fetch quest game with little to no social interactions, which most gachas are.
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>>737465749
I think it's a neat idea but should be an expansion rather than a revamp.
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>>737497547
At this point I've accepted this is probably at least 6 months away from release if it even comes out this year at all. I'm more interested in seeing of the dozens of content creators who have been begging for Nexon to hurry and release the game or that one dumbass wop who said he thinks the game will come out next month are still going to be on board if it does end up taking another whole-ass year. I imagine it's hard to drum up the excitement needed to be a shill youtuber when you're stuck waiting for these lazy dumbass devs to """fix""" the balance for the better part of 2 years.
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>>737505734
>and gacha is winning by a landslide
That's not a good thing though
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>>737509284
I agree, but that doesn't make it less true.
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>>737509341
A grim truth indeed.
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what's that single-player maplestory clone on steam someone mentioned before?
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>>737509708
yuma nest?
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>>737509708
idleon
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>>737509769
that's the one
seems like it wasn't made by chinks so i'll give it a shot
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>>737471565
>people managed to hit 65+
This didn't happen.
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>>737505734
mushroom game already makes close to hoyo games and I think dnf alone makes revenue equal go few of the top gachas combined
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>>737511339
this is modern maple delusion
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>>737478340
It already does.
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>>737504865
Assassins have just always been broken, even with the nerfs they're still great
Now imagine after people start stocking up on Steelies or Ilbis
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>>737511530
you are severely underestimating the whales in kms
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So when the game does come out, what are you going to end up doing? Are you going to rush Red Drake's and stockpile some steelies until there's more mesos in the market?
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>>737504865
Because they seethe the loudest when the tiniest nerf get applied to them
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>>737511626
>thinks some dead mmo from gooks can compete with the god of gacha Hoyo
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>>737512028
retarded, delusional, or both?
rough estimate of pc maple would be equivalent to around $30-40m a month which is definitely hoyo level

also mabinogi mobile officially surpassed $100m in revenue in just 2 months after release, when the game is KOREA ONLY
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>>737511819
But why didn't they buff the clearly garbo classes?
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>>737511538
how do I even play omok
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Maplestory/
Front page is all up in flames with Inkwell hate. They think he abanonded nuple for classic which is why they're not getting a hyperburn for anniversary when KMS got one in the same patch lmao
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>>737514121
connect five
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>>737513481
the "garbo" classes look a lot worse than they actually are due to bugs and/or retarded decisions that affect everyone to some degree
archers could be helped but warriors will always be inferior to everyone else, you can't make melee as good as ranged unless you do numaple shit like
giving them a combat step
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>>737504865
kek
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>>737514276
>the "garbo" classes
They're not 'garbo' in quotes, chief bandit is absolute garbage, and so are non-DK warriors
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>>737514220
People also have to be delusional to think inkwell won't treat classic players the same way
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>>737514220
If this is how numaple fans act I don't blame him for leaving for a better community.
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>>737514276
>good as ranged unless you do numaple shit like
It's really easy to solve. The game has been out for 20 years

Rework defense to be more meaningful, even def scrolls could become worth it
Have warrior gear give more defense
Make shield masteries more useful
Switch crash with rush so they get a 3rd job gap closer
Make WK's attack not consume charges
Make panic and coma consume 2 or 3 orbs instead of the full stack

Easy, warriors solved.
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>>737514310
I'm talking about 1st-2nd job because that's what the beta has, and what people are shitting their pants about balance wise.
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>>737514220
It's always funny to me seeing people begging for more content and more updates
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>>737514509
Still trash. They need to revert the savage blow nerfs
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>>737514675
if you don't care about content or updates then why not just play any of the already existing options to play old maple? That's literally the point of classic world, and why it's not just a 1:1 replica of it.
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>>737514675
Its always the f2poors too
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>>737514220
I would abandon abusive mentally ill retards for normal gamers if I had the choice. Like imagine the kind of retard that is unironically invested in nuple in 2026
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>>737515001
>normal gamers
like what
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>>737515001
>mm the guy that destroyed maple with big bang back in the day, and then is further destroying modern maple? Surely this time will be different!
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>>737515132
Everyone who played a bit of maplestory back in the day before moving on with life and migrating to 4chan
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>>737515327
Why are you still playing a game that was destroyed (twice)?
Is that a euphemism for "didnt give me enough free shit"?
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>>737515346
neither "normal" nor "gamers"
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>>737514220
I get the hate since they're nerfing a bunch of things for no reason. GMS is literally the only version without unified cash shop now despite it being advertised for us like a year ago.
Thinking it's because of classic is stupid though
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>the vg maple thread actually died
lol
Lmao even
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>>737515487
>retarded frogpost is retarded
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>>737515471
You felt so attacked over me pointing out the facts that you are now projecting?
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>>737515617
>nerfed
we got a 2nd plasma heart while kms still hasn't
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>>737515716
Why did you dodge both questions?
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>>737515784
Because you can't read
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>>737515814
Do you realize how buckbroken you look to everyone when you can't explain why you're still playing a (twice) destroyed game?
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>>737515647
They need classic to be successful.
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>>737516036
It's okay ESL, learning english is hard but you don't have to get mad over the fact you don't understand the words I use. I'm sure if you put in the effort to learn more you too can understand how I already answered your questions.
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>>737516173
>why are you still playing the game?
>"y-you're projecting!"
real ESL moment
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>>737516325
Yeah? I never once mentioned I played the game, something you made up in your own mind. Again maybe if you learned to actually read you wouldn't be getting so mad over your own mistakes now would you?
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>>737516530
only someone who plays the game would know these "facts"
you're not very bright are you, ESL?
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One more bread to send the online test. I'm not ready to let go yet.
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>>737516601
Oh I get it, you didn't even read the post I was replying to!
It's okay anon, just keep giving it your best and I'm sure you will learn how to read properly in the future!
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>>737516661
Why are you so upset? You don't sound like someone who "doesn't play the game"
How do you even know who inkwell is?
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>>737516832
I know this is a super difficult concept to understand for an ESL, but google exists you know? I'm sure you would learn a lot faster if you started using it too!
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>>737506248
What happened to RO3, anyway? I remember they announced it like a year ago and since then I haven't heard shit.
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>>737516885
You know these "facts" about inkwell despite not playing the game? Do you just get your opinions from hiveminds like reddit and parrot them here? What a clown lmao.
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>>737516967
It's okay if you didn't understand my post, but I'm sure if you give it another read you will begin to understand that I am referring to the website Google.com, a website that lets you search up any word or concept you might need to figure out!. It's a very helpful website so I definitely recommend giving google a try so you can then go back to read my post so you can properly understand it!
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>classicfag supposedly doesn't care about numaple
>but feels the need to go and look at other people's opinions on it
>feels the need to post about it in a classic maple thread
>even fucking links reddit
Hmm
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>>737517067
>guise listen to my opinion about "inkwell"
>btw I dont play the game I just got my opinion about "inkwell" from google (reddit)
>also y-you are ESL
Complete Clown
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>>737517132
numaple players are terminally retarded and are heavily invested in classic failing because they have to "protect their investment"
It's pathetic how easily they expose themselves
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>>737517176
I'm sorry anon but reddit and google are completely different sites! I know it can be hard for an ESL to learn the difference but I'm sure if you keep trying you will be able to figure it out one day!
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Just play Genshin
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>>737517534
Why are you parroting opinions from google (reddit) and pretending they are facts?



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