>destroys your franchise
ban twitter screencap threads
>>737463245I skipped 8.What the fuck did Ichiban do?
>>737463245Whoops, sorry about that, wrong photo.
>>737463885Damn I missclicked I meant to post this photo
>>737463613You could already see the writing pivot into quirk chungus shounen slop in 7, but the transformation wasn't fully complete until 8
>mainline Yakuza series has had historically terrible unbalanced action combat that you're forced to engage in constantly when just walking around.>Games have always had fun mini games, stories, side quests, and extra content.>Like a Dragon replaces the dogshit combat with turn based but keeps all the good. Also replaces the wet blanket Kiryu.They're objectively superior games.
>>737463885The Daidoji suck but the franchise becoming a self referential parody of itself is worse than the Daidoji reviving some characters from 3. Man With No Name showed you could have them in the story and it not be terrible.>>737464269Ultimately it's his fault but Ichiban was his instrument
>>737464441>Also replaces the wet blanket Kiryu.Anybody who thinks 50 year old Luffy is a more interesting character than Kiryu should get their fucking head examined
>>737464441The RPGs have better game design, the tone has just been warped to cater to meme spouting retards
>>737464441It's ironic that Ichiban is meant to inject more humor into the writing, and yet the comedy works way better with straight-man Kiryu reacting to silly shit rather than a silly-man reacting to silly shit.
>>737464441>fun mini games, stories, side quests, and extra content.I hated the side content in IW. I'd rather do taxi minigames and underwater spear fishing than play a human Pokémon league or discount Animal Crossing. It's just too stupid.
>>737464657>>737464738This is actually a fair point. The straight man does work better against the world but that's why the other party members work well for that contrast. They're typically more grounded then Ichiban himself.
>>737464269He's responsible for both
>>737464738Kiryu is Hank Hill and Ichiban is Bobby Hill
>>737463245>saves your franchiseLet's just hope he's not too late
>>737465423Sorry wrong image
>>737464441The core Yakuza gameplay peaked in Zero. Every other brawler game in the series has been a direct downgrade. Less options, less heat moves, worse AI.Overall Yakuza peaked at 5. I bet when they get to Kiwami 5 it will be a worse remake.
>>737465423NO CHANGE IN ZA PLAN
>>737463245Nobody want to play as schizo manchild with no character development, Kiryu might have no personality but at least he's looking cool.
I got fatigued after yakuza 1 knowing every main story has some higher ups fucking up the society over and over again
>>737463245Humiliation ritual
>>737466982Forgot pic
>>737467024Akiyama not being on the top 10 is what's fucked up
Japan just cannot do comedy well for any audience outside of Japan and that's why you're end up with the state of modern-day (and even old) Yakuza. There were good moments of genuine comedy but they just keep fucking reverting back to le wacky humor xD and it SUCKS. For a one-off game you can kind of put up with it, but when you've made an entire franchise around it you just get fatigue super, super easily.
>>737463245Yakuza went from one of my fav franchise to not caring about it anymore. That new Heaven game is not looking too great either.
>>737463245The only good 8 did was have pretty female characters like Saeko and Seong Hui otherwise it was just meh
3 was the last good Yakuza
>>737467113I think he's 11th or 12th. He's only had a 1 scene cameo in the last decade people are forgetting he exists
>>737467138I thought the latest trailer for STH looked pretty good, I'm just worried it'll be another 5 situation where they simply bite off more than they can chew with all the new cities and time periods. At least they have more dev time and probably a bigger budget now than they did with 5
>>737465582Based Trotskymaxxer
>>737465596The brawler combat was never very good by brawler standards. But the turn-based combat in IW is actually good by turn-based standards
>>737467129The only time the games do humor well is when they have Kiryu either being a gooner or a completely out of touch old man
>>737463613>Kiryu gained schizophrenia from Ichiban since it's contagious.>Gets ghosted by Saeko for a year and doesn't think to actually talk to her at all outside of texting her this entire year.This was also Saeko being a complete bitch but I digress.>Goes to some absurd lengths to forgive a guy who went out of his way to personally make sure Ichiban and his friends could not only not live a life at all, but that everyone close to them couldn't live a normal life, that everyone tangentially related to the Yakuza couldn't ever reform, and laughs at Ichiban's suffering even when he's literally trying to poison him and his friends to death or blow up a child.>Feels like he heavily regressed as a character from 7 and seems more like a caricature of himself.
>>737463613be 45
>>737463245I like Ichiban. And enjoyed the turn-based combat.But I think 8's story dropped the ball by not suggesting the Infinite Wealth was the prostitute trafficking and child organ harvesting our elites were doing along the way.Ichiban also never got his friggin' ramen bowl, after spending almost 20 years in the joint.
>>737468960I've noticed that people who like ichiban are also always tranime enjoyers. Which makes sense since he's written to be an tranime protagonist
Ichiban's great.And contrarians are revolting.They aren't people.
>>737463245>Majima fanpeople in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
>>737469098if he's so great why is he consistently ranked the most unpopular then? :)
>>737469098No he was actually awful in IW. Just a completely unlikable obnoxious retard and the writing bent over backwards to tell the player how his generic shounen anime outlook and perspective is ALWAYS correct which is how you got shit like that terrible Eiji scene at the end. The bigger issue is how the tone of the game became a full blown cartoon to match his cartoon personality. He was fine in 7 though. Just got completely flanderized in 8.
>>737469180ugly old man in a fujo franchise
>>737463245Been saying this for years. Fucking faggot is so generic.
>>737469341Kiryu and Ichiban both kinda got flanderized in Infinite Wealth to drive home how contrasting their personalities are. Kiryu got his more awkward, goofy side erased and Ichiban had any edge he had sanded down. They really shouldn't be in games together because they become too one-note.
>>737469346Saejima is more popular than him.
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>>737469180LiesDamned Lies& Statistics
>Infinite Wealth didn't end with the final boss being a fist-fight in the rain ontop of an active volcano.>weird anti-nuclear message pushed over the child trafficking cult and government/gang corruption that facilitated itIf you're gonna set all the pieces in place, and have me punch a giant shark/squid, at least go all the way man.
>>737470723I know Japan had a nuclear meltdown but anti-nuclear energy messaging in a mainstream game in 2024 felt weird
Ichiban's introduction is just a sign of the times. The fact of the matter is he is a more accurate representation of zoomer "manliness" than Kiryu, who is more a symbol of men of the past now.Ichiban is the best zoomer men will aspire to be, and you just have to accept it. And also be prepared to see his archetype in other new games too
>>737471293It made sense at the start, when the game goes in depth how nuclear waste was being shipped in these big, lead-lined container-vaults immune to x-rays, and that inspectors legally aren't allowed to open, save for the paperwork.And how all the shipping waste from countries in the pacific are being funneled to this private island run by a rich cultist, with links to gangs who traffick prostitutes and organs. The cast at this point in the game composed of people who never met their mother, or are missing a lover, 'cuz they either disappeared in said trafficking system or were a product of it.It's almost like you'd —think— they were setting up the nukes to being a red herring, while the containers were really trafficking humans, drugs, money, weapons and other illicit cargo around.But nope. It's all just for... nuclear waste?Was just a let down.
>>737463245Really the fanbase becoming meme loving fucks is what killed the franchise
>>737463245When exactly did the series switch from being a Jdrama telenovela with comedy to some epic meme chungus series? Was it 7? And who is responsible for this
>2 games with turn based elements>every other spin off and remake is a brawler>spergs and posers still cry about the turn based games
>>737471729Give me your rationale on why you used em dashes
>>737471729I think human trafficking is a bit too "real" for this franchise. These are games about the Yakuza but are too chickenshit to actually show any of the ways the Yakuza make money
Just like literally every franchise that suffered the same fate, it all went to shit as soon as normalfags discovered it.
>>737472005Shinada has a substory dealing with it if I remember right. It was either that or drugs.
>>737463245he was alright in the first game but the unrelenting humiliation ritual of the second game ruined him in a way I've seen happen to few characters.
>>737472017Normalfags ruin everything.In other news, the sky is blue and water... is wet?? More at 11.
>>737471948The shift started under Nagoshi but Yokoyama was the one who said he was inspired to make the RPGs based off of One Piece. The full blown quirk chungus has only been the last few years since Nagoshi left
>>737464441jrpgs universally have garbage combat. turn based jrpg combat is something you endure while you walk through the story, not something you would ever play a game for. also, anyone who disagrees with me should kill themselves. call yakuza's combat dogshit, because it is, but it was at least bespoke dogshit.
>>737471729Yakuza in real life have smuggled nuclear material.https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/japanese-yakuza-leader-pleads-guilty-nuclear-materials-trafficking-narcotics-and-weapons
>>737472017I finally gave Yakuza a chance when people wouldn't shut up about Judgement. I then played through the series just in time for it to all go to shit.
>>737472048Shinada's story actually had some griminess to it that they havent really done since then
>>737464441>>737464441>They're objectively superior games.Yeah and there is only 2 games, only 2 of them and you are still getting these posers crying about the turn based stuff
>>737463245I really enjoy everything about the RPG games EXCEPT Ichiban. I actually hate him. Guy just gets on my nerves. I really hope the next turn-based game is finally a full fledged reboot with a completely new cast and no legacy characters or references to the previous games.
>>737471975I don't see many complaints about the combat. It's mostly the writing and tone people have a problem with
>>737472158>I finally gave Yakuza a chance when people wouldn't shut up about Judgement>Bandwagoning faggot has an opinionYour kind are the problem
>>737472062>but the unrelenting humiliation ritual of the second game ruined him in a way I've seen happen to few charactersAnd the entire time the game is screaming at you to admire him and his convictions
Yakuza has always been garbagethe games are basically a quirky soap opera for asian women
>>737472004I have the em—dash tied to the shift-tab button of my keyboard, cuz I actually use it, and wanted to put emphasis on think without capsmaxxing.Or maybe I am also a Malaysian robot. Beep Boop.>>737472005What it felt like to me too. Bryce Fairchild was a bit too close to Jeffery Epstein, if he was a literal 100+ year old Dragon Quest lichlord with muscle mass and peak physique. Said lich lord who kept young orphans around him for some reason, and really had it out for one girl in particular.Buuuut I know deep down, that they totally chickened out on Bryce wanting to transplant that one orphan girl's organs/blood/heart.
>>737472127I don't enjoy jrpg combat generally but I thought IW was pretty fun with bouncing enemies off each other and the ragdoll physics of it. It felt more dynamic and active than most jrpgs I've played
>>737463245Like a dragon 1 was decent. But holy shit infinite wealth was cringe and boring
>>737472135Boss fight when
>>737463245>If you don’t want illegal brothels with sex slaves run by immigrant gangs in your small town you are a fascist bigot!!!
>>737472389I think so too, the dragon engine ragdoll physics work well with the turn based rpg system but the brawler beats em up gameplay was always better on Unreal 3 and 4
>>7374723057's gameplay was genuine trash but 8's is a miracle at how much better it was to the point that the only real flaw it has now is the EXP balance was structured.>They had so many ways to prevent you from overleveling they just missed the Money Sucker + Poundmate stuff that allowed you to proceed through the Hawaiian Haunt which could easily be addressed.>They had a way to prevent you from obtaining equipment you weren't supposed to have access to without obscene amounts of grind which at that point would you be your own fault.>They had a way to slowly dole out new jobs to you because money took a while to get without, again, Money Sucker in the Hawaiian Haunt.>Essences were finally balanced and only Ichiban and Kiryu get full party ones, but that can be addressed with 9 just having Ichiban having one.>Skills were nearly all pretty fairly balanced, and outside of a few stand outs like Burning Arrow or Substitution Jutsu it was hard to find anything on the level of Head Trauma or Paralysis Prongs anymore.Honestly, outside of the EXP the only thing they need to never do again is the defense ignore outfits/weapons because your worth in endgame is decided if your job has access to either that or some specific value to the team like women never doing anything but Substitution Jutsu so Ichiban and Kiryu do all the damage.
>>737472445Illegal brothels with sex slaves ran by immigrants is how the Yakuza operates today, the nigerian migrants they use are proxies to take the fall so they government doesn't touch them, now you know retard, the real Yakuza is not the wholesome chungus shut you saw in yakuza 0 and kiwami 1
>>737472346I tried to sympathize but if you're going to be a faggot about it then I'm glad I could help kill your franchise. I came in as a fair weather fan and marathoned the good games in less than two years before dropping it. you meanwhile probably actively 2+ years between releases alone and wasted who knows how much more time in total so get fucked and kys :)
>>737472542Oh, and DoT. They still have yet to figure out a fair balance for DoT because Poison, Cold, and Bleeding, and Burning are all worthless stats unless they're applied on you. The turn debt is enormous on casting anything that can apply them unless the attack itself also does respectable damage which I can't recall many having.
>>737472305Only two games have these tonal changes, 7 and 8, in 5 years you had Judgement, lost judgement, ishin, kiwami remakes, gaiden and the next Stranger heaven thing looks to be the same gritty style with the same thing over and over again, what's wrong with a little change, it gets ridiculous at one point cause you've seen Kiryu topple mafias a bazillion times, i really got tired of posers just shitting on the 7 and 8 being different while still complaining about the series not changing much while crying about the RPG system
>>737472071android and ios are both cancerous OS's though
It's ironic people call Ichiban a reddit chungus guy, Kiryu is literally a my wife's son dude raising the daughter of his crush, he is also raising the mutt son of an asian woman who got blacked and dumped, CHADiban is riaising no one's kids, no sir.
I think Ichiban was a great addition LAD was fantastic But problem is RGG is running out of ideas for yakuza universe
Chitose is a better love interest to Ichiban than Saeko
>>737472578b-but the wholesome heckin yakuza helped rebuild after world war 2!!(they'll be sure to tell you that)
>>737472158This >>737472346 isn't me.I posted >>737472017The other faggot is the type of retard that says "0fag" unironically.
>>737472542>but 8's is a miracle at how much better it wasAnd they delegated combat design to 1 zoomer employee. Give that guy a raise
>>737472542The idea of Ichiban being the only playable character in 9 genuinely makes me not even look forward to the game
>>737473315>adding a generic shonen protagonist defined by exhausted cliches like power of friendship and muh boundless optimism and positivity was a good ideaActually it wasnt. That shit is fucking lame.
>>737473976What's wrong with being a nice guy who shines in positivity? at least he is not a cuck
>>737474039>>737473220This is the worst attempt at convincing people Ichiban isn't a terrible character I've ever seen
>>737474096I haven't seen any good argument against Ichiban's character, seriously what's wrong with being a positive guy? what's wrong with appreciating friendship? Look at Kiryu, he is a cynical boomer with no friends who hangs out with glowies and government rats, Ichiban? hangs out with a cab driver, an unemployed cop and an ex-homeless doctor, he relates to the every man, Kiryu grew up rich in the best era where money was used as toilet paper in the 80s, Ichiban? grew up poor playing the shit dragon quests in post housing bubble caused by such boomer. could keep going on and on, Ichiban is a shinning light on this series.
>>737474341>seriously what's wrong with being a positive guy?At some point you have to stop being naive and start getting serious which he didn't with Eiji at all. He didn't take stock of what he and his friends had just gone through for what seemed like months and will continue having to deal with after 8 is over to befriend him.>Majima, Saejima, and Daigo's lives are now ruined and they're forced to be fisherman in the middle of nowhere instead of actively helping downtrodden people find jobs in the security industry and give them an in to legitimate business.>Adachi and Nanba have now had not only their reputations as normal civilians ruined due to the smear campaign but they both are also suffering from the same issue the Jimas are and will never be trusted in security again so tough luck to Adachi in starting a business I guess.>Ichiban now has literally no way to get a job as he's been turned away by Hello Work and Adachi's business is shuttered, is actively hated by his community, and is literally an ex-con with no real capabilities to get an honest job as 7 itself showed us.>The guy in the intro that Ichiban spent a bunch of time and effort supporting to find a job has now had his life permanently ruined and is likely going to get cancer.>Hundreds if not thousands of random people trying to turn their life around have now been heavily irradiated due to him and who knows how many were executed in the months the operation was going on.His arguments in 7 for the grey zones is also hopelessly naive as he only focuses on the fact that it gives specific downtrodden people a place to go while ignoring multiple aspects of the life like the abuse they suffer from the people running these establishments, the fact that the existence of these establishments brings in people who would actively harm a neighborhood, typically involves the drug trade which further involves violence and ruining the neighborhood, and perpetuates human trafficking.
>>737463245Why did they put this half n-word in the franchise?
>>737476512It's crazy how much better written he was in 7. He's still very positive and hopeful but still acts like a person and can be shaken, can get mad, doesn't have to suck every characters dick the moment he meets them. In 8 he's just this single minded automaton where "believing in the good in people" is his sole characteristic. It really felt like the writer turned Ichiban into an empty vessel for delivering his crappy philosphy instead of a 3 dimensional character
>>737476512I'll let you in on a secret, all Yakuza characters without exceptions are scumbag criminals, none of them are your little marvel heroes, they are painted as such in order to market to the lowest common retard but they were always scumbags, of course Ichiban is gonna defend sex slavery, that's his meat and potatoes, you can see Kiryu running a ponzi loan shark business in yk1 profiting of the downfall of the housing bubble,Majima works in constuction, construction is well known worldwide to be the bed rock of organized crime, countries like Australia are well known to have criminals run construction companies with the gov looking the other way, point is all these guys aren't good people>oh but Ichiban virtue signalsAll scumbags virtue signals, it's always the priest larping as holier than thou who rapes little boys on the side, the charitable philanthropist who runs ponzi schemes,. it's in line with the character, you have to look at the character this way, it's not a flaw it's by design, i realy like 7 because the guy who nearly made it as PM is a yakuza top guy who uses his position to undermine rival yakuza branches, Shinzo Abe was connected to the Yakuza so i think it's probably a nod to this
>>737476771They thought a mystery meat character would be relatable to American audiences
>>737463613Literally nothing. His story hasn't moved at all. He only once got conned over his 'over-friendly' attitude.
>>737477501>of course Ichiban is gonna defend sex slavery, that's his meat and potatoesOf course he is going to, but no one chooses to argue against him or his beliefs at all and so he's allowed to blather on about this uncontested with an extremely naive view of things under the pretense of it being that you're seeing his side. In reality you're only seeing his side and being shown that the other side has strawman-level arguments in someone like Kume. He is also presented as taking a specific moral high ground they want you to relate to him with while refusing to challenge it in any way when it's full of holes and present him as if you agree with his beliefs or arguments.Yagami got the library thrown at him with Kuwana for his beliefs and regularly confronted with the moral arguments while Ichiban has nothing ever brought against him at pretty much any point. When Arakawa gets shot he snaps and then sees red, but once Kiryu punches him in the face he's back to normal and is the same happy-go-lucky Ichiban.Even ignoring all that there is absolutely zero reason Ichiban as a character even with his moral compass should be friendly with Eiji. At best he should be candid and take him to the cops kicking and screaming the whole way, not become his personal Jesus on the trip to the precinct.This is not a man you make friends with. This is not a man you were ever friends with. This is not a man you promise to send post cards to and talk to him while you're up at night in bed about your day.This is a man who went into meeting you with the intent to ruin your life, your friends' lives, kill you, kill your friends, traffic a child to a cult and mafia leader that runs the state so he could kill her, nearly blew up said child while laughing about it because of how funny it was to think you were going to die from an explosion, poison you and your friends so you had slow agonizing deaths, and more.
>>737477721IW teaches you the lesson that any time someone treats you like shit or screws you over you should forgive them and assume that deep down they're actually a good person
>>737476512Yeah but all these points you mentioned are largely part of his character, he is flawed? what's wrong with this? the guy i was answering claimed Ichiban is a Shonen guy with a power of friendship buff, now you are coming in and telling me his overly positive aspects have negative repercussions in real life? you basically made my point for me, he is a nuanced character, shonen character have no nuance who generally get away with everything, no stakes, Ichiban has flaws that he pays for and has to overcome.
>>737473976>Generic Him being an unemployed unc makes it very very fun and charming
>>737477974I wonder what changed creatively at RGG between Lost Judgment and IW
>>737478002The game doesn't present these characteristics as flaws, literally the opposite.
>>737478002Unironic media illiteracy
>>737478132>The game doesn't present these characteristics as flawsHow so? look at all these points the namefag mentioned >>737476512The game literally tells you this is what happens to guys like him, the dude is a walking cautionary tale, unless you are a retard who takes him as an example.
>>737478002>he is a nuanced characterHow? Because he's a retard? The game doesn't treat the negative consequences of his personality as the result of a character flaw, that is always handwaived in favor of telling the player that Ichiban's decisions to trust and forgive everyone was right all along while completely ignoring how he brought all the terrible shit onto himself because that would undermine the point the game is trying to make. That's the opposite of nuance, the writing forces him to be completely one dimensional because it's beholden to the trappings of shitty shonen writing
>>737474341Luffyshit characters with the personality and depth of a particularly dumb Labrador stop being interesting when you're older than 13
>>737478002>what's wrong with this?His characteristics are not presented as flaws until 8, and that's only because 8 uses it for Eiji to take advantage of him due to his trusting nature otherwise it's still used as a positive when he actually goes and crucifix walks Eiji to the police station and using it to justify chasing after Chitose who just revealed she not only befriended Ichiban to spy on him for Eiji, but is the root cause of ruining his entire life. It directly shows you that even though these people did bad things to Ichiban he would rather keep them in his life or even directly help them rather than cutting them out.Ichiban himself doesn't act like a real person. He's acting like a Japanese equivalent of Jesus that never has his beliefs challenged seriously and then when anything bad happens to him by people close to him he immediately turns the other cheek and forgets anything bad that happened to him. He does this not once, not twice, not thrice, but four separate times. At least the first time the person he did it to he knew for multiple years and genuinely loved him like a brother so we was willing to overlook his flaws, but the second time he knew Nanba for maybe a few days before he just up and betrayed him, the third time he knew that person for maybe a few weeks at best while Chitose outright asked why he was even trusting her, and the fourth time is just insulting to the player because the entire scene is presented as a good thing he did for Eiji.Why does Shibusawa get treated like utter garbage when he objectively did barely anything to Ichiban compared to what Eiji pulled?Why does Dowaito get treated like scum for his men killing a few people when Seonhee running both the Goemijul and Liumang is doing the same stuff as him on a much larger scale?Why is Kume treated like scum but Hamako treated like a saint?
>>7374723057 in my opinion has a pretty good story but 8 dropped hte ball massively. My biggest issue with 8 is honestly Kiryu. He should not have been that much of a focus.
>>737478330You don't seem to understand what intentional writing means. That anons point was literally that the game ignores all of those things because it is always treating Ichiban's worldview as the objectively correct one, the bad things that happen are not attributed to him in the writing. It doesn't matter that we can literally see how him being a moron negatively impacts everyone around him because the game itself either isnt aware of, or purposefully ignores, how his behavior contributes to it in order to argue his moral positions are the correct ones, always. That's the entire point of his character.
>>737478509>My biggest issue with 8 is honestly Kiryu. He should not have been that much of a focusWhy not? So they could focus more on the awful story taking place in Hawaii? If anything the game would've been better if it was only Kiryu
>>737478117Chitose (normal hair) > Saeko > Chitose (short hair) > Seonhee
>>737478621Because he did literally fucking nothing. Have you even played it?
>>737478509I think so too, Ichiban deserves his own story, kiryu having cameos like in 7 is fine but he when starts hugging the spotlight it gets old real fast, in 8 he comes in and makes it all about himself
>>737478509>KiryuLiterally the only redeeming aspect of the game
Retards who found Yakuza from 0 think 8 was where it all went wrong. News flash its 0.
>>737478690>Ichiban deserves his own storyHow could anyone play Infinite Wealth and still want more Ichiban stories. Jesus Christ just fucking kill him already
>>737478690No thanks, I've had enough Yakuza: One Piece. It's enough.
The weird and crazy side activities were funny because kiryu just like the player is utterly confused and then grows to treat it as normal in some long substory chains. Ichiban is the one viewed as weird like wtf?
>>737478770Because he didn't have his own character arc yet, he still didn't mature fully, kiryu had 10 games and around 3, his story was done, Ichiban can't shine with Kiryu near him, thankfully he won't be around in the next one.
>>737478690There's literally nothing to do with Ichiban. His story was completely wrapped up in 7.
>>737478757I’m gay and trans btw. Thought you should know
>>737463613Nothing. I would want a bro like Ichiban in real life.
>>737478669>Because he did literally fucking nothingSo? Just hanging out in Yokohama doing nothing and reflecting on when the games were actually good was more fun than engaging in the mind numbing stupid shit in Hawaii. You probably liked Dondoko Island
>>737478669Have you? Kiryu figures out all the major plans going on once he goes to Ijincho because he can directly attack the Seiryu Clan/Bleach Japan and has access to the Goemijul network. Virtually everything important that happens from the split up to the ending is because of what Kiryu was doing. Ichiban's only contribution to the story after they split up is Chitose being Tatara Channel and Eiji working with Ebina and Buraisu, both of which are sequestered mostly to Ichiban's side of the story instead of the overarching story. Otherwise the rest of Ichiban's time is spent running away from the Barracudas and Eiji's hit squad to try and find Lani while bumming around with Yamai to do so. Two separate chapters of Ichiban's are spent running around the left half of the map to escape the Barracudas until you reach Yamai or District Four.Kiryu's side of the story is like the only place where any story really happens.
>>737478732>>737478993>>737479010Modern Yakuza fans really are this stupid. This franchise is fucking doomed.
>>737478906Ichiban doesnt "mature" in either game. He's not supposed to. The point of shonen characters is they never change, they change everyone around them with their impossibly great qualities. Ichiban is presented as a finished character with a wholly correct worldview, to change him or give him any arc would undermine the point of his character which is to always be teaching the other characters lessons on how to live
>>737479048Ichiban haters are all just kiryu dicksuckers who hate any form of change the game introduces, i credit Akiyama being sidelined to these faggots constantly crying on twitter about it
>>737478906>thankfully he won't be around in the next one.Yeah I'm sure Kiryu won't be involved in the story about the Daidoji and his rogues gallery of villains with Mine, Hamazaki, Shishido, Yoshimura and probably fucking Ryuji returning. Also just ignore that the last 3 games in a row all tease his fate. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he's the main character
>>737479109I just dont like generic anime characters. They're not interesting, they have no depth and they don't behave like actual people. One of the good things about the Yakuza franchise historically is that it was one of the few Japanese franchises that didn't use stock anime characters
>>737479150I hope Mine is the main character and kiryu is just an easter egg or not even in the game
>>737479109Sure
>>737463245Trans coded character desu
>>737479048Please explain what Ichiban's side of the story accomplished in any way for the broader story of 8. It's literally running around like a headless chicken to find Lani with the sole major thing being redeeming Chitose. Nothing happens during his side of the story outside of rescuing Lani. It's just several chases with the Barracudas, two boss fights with Yamai, the Chitose redemption, and a battle with Dwight before they all go to Ijincho for the finale. The most shocking thing is Hanawa dies and is immediately ignored after that because it doesn't matter to the overall plot.Kiryu learns about Ebina. Kiryu learns about the entire Nele Island plan. Kiryu learns all about Bryce's backstory. Kiryu learns all about what Chitose did to the Jimas and the aftermath of it. Kiryu learns about the agreement Ebina and Bryce have. Kiryu learns who he actually even has to stop for a lot of the issues to stop. Kiryu has his identity revealed and the Daidoji's hand played.>>737479109Except I don't hate Ichiban, I just disliked how they portrayed him in 8 and felt that he needed his beliefs challenged in 7. Ichiban in 8 is a horrible character, Ichiban in 7 is fine he just needed someone that wasn't Kume or a better written Kume to push back against him.Akiyama is my favorite character and I hate that we still don't have an 8 Gaiden that takes place in Singapore to explain how he looked for Kiryu.
>>737479234Majima is literally an anime character though, you were never a fan of Yakuza i am afraid, you reek of poser who found out about it during covid
>>737479048Not an argument
I never liked saeko because it felt like she was doing that 1990s mean girl routine but she actually does just hate you and it's not a joke.
>>737479341Majima sucks as a protagonist for that same reason. He works better as a side character. Ichiban would work better as a side character too.
>>737479341You make this same post in every Yakuza thread. Go away retard
>>737479408>One of the good things about the Yakuza franchise historically is that it was one of the few Japanese franchises that didn't use stock anime characters>The character who has been a stable of the franchise since 2005 sucksExactly my point your kind are just redditors who jumped on the bandwagon 2 years ago, newsflash FAGGOT, Kiryu is the anime trope of the lone wolf, he is Guts from Berserk, ALL anime trops are in Yakuza
>>737479341>Majima is literally an anime character Yeah no shit that's why they basically had to write him as a completely different character in 0 to try to make him interesting as a character the narrative follows rather than just le crazy man
>>737477990Sometimes I wonder how myopic and idealistic the niggers making these stories are. If you really trusted these games and lived your life like that you'd end up like the guy wanting to jump off the bridge with his family in debt.Reminds me when Ichiban said that retarded shit in 7, "If you only fight when you can win you're just a bully". Legitimately so stupid it gives you a migraine if you think too hard about it.
>>7374632457 is not the best game but it was best written yakoozer imo (excluding clayface).0's plot is overrated with it having a dual protagonist of a virtually the same John Stoicman archetype.All the other Yakuza game narratives are charmingly retarded to get emotionally invested.
>>737463245Ichitrannies getting absolutely bodied in this thread
Like Mine, Ryuji shouldn't have died, he is too good of a character, wasted talent
>>737472048Yeah, in 2011, 15 years ago
>>737479771Consider the way 7G worded this line (Might just be an English thing but it implies Ryuji is also faking his death) it sounds like they're mulling bringing him back too.
>>737479875he's gonna be a bartender, I'm sure hamazaki will end up being one too
>>737463245Why is he black? Don't these games take place in Japan?
i didn't really care about the story of infinite wealth, but i played it for 140 hours just because the battle system and dondoko island were so fun
ichiban fucking rules though
>>737467024>Memejima>Nishiki>Saejima that high>Hawaii non-singerwhat is wrong with this fanbase id've let Akiyama fuck my daughter
>>737463245Why did they make the new face of the franchise almost as old as Kiryu? That is not passing the torch. They should have made a young dipshit that either the Kiryu, Goro or whoever that is still alive has to mentor, or he grows into becoming the biggus dickus. Sort of like the PSP spinoff that nobody outside of Japan played.
>>737481390>Sort of like the PSP spinoff that nobody outside of Japan played.Real ones played it after it got translated by some fans
>>737472071nice pic but normalfags don't do the last part, that's the twittercrowd that ironically call themselves "chronically online" after being on facebook/tiktok/insta/twitter exclusively for a decade, barely ever using a browser to go somewhere else.
In my opinion the main reason why series ended up where they are is 0. I love 0, but the fact that it got as big as it did made those fucking retarded devs recalibrate their approach completely. 0 getting the "le wacky funny wahoo japanese men!!" reputation is what then birthed Ichiban and the subsequent death of the series
>>737467024i legitimately never understood why mine was so popular i never once thought about him after beating y3
>>737481472is it worth my time? i got fed up with the franchise around the zombie spinoff then came back and now i'm kinda fed up again with the recent gaidens. guessing theyre totally inconsequential to the big picture?
>>737481569No it's best if you fuck off and go be fed up in some other franchise, heard final fantasy needs new larpers, you'd fit right in
>>737481472>He didn't play them before they got translated.>>737481569Yes, they're both solid, just don't expect to level up styles or Tatsuya's levels fast at all in BP1 as it requires a fairly heavy grind but that doesn't matter if you solely focus on the main story. BP2 improves on the systems in place a lot, it's even more than something like OG 1 to 2 with a few annoyances in combat despite that (Specifically arena enemies grabbing you and enemies being more parry-prone). Do not go for 100% on either of them, they both despise 100%ers, and in BP1 if you aren't ready to grind for hours to afford level ups for Gaia don't even bother doing all the substories. Chaos in 2 is far more well balanced.
Who is the 2nd playable character in Stranger Than Heaven for the 1950s and 60s eras gonna be?
>>737481569They’re irrelevant to the main games. Their combat is also different but fun
How to spot a faggot poser who found Yakuza post-covid>Ichiban is too anime>it's wacky woohoo anime now, it wasn't like this before>Yakuza 0 is what started the downfall, i was there
>>737482028Do you think this webm supports your retarded points or something?
>Ichiban's tattoo is supposed to symbolize "rising from the bottom to the top">He's still a shitter even after two games
>>737482028>Ichiban is too animeYeah>it's wacky woohoo anime now, it wasn't like this beforeCorrect>Yakuza 0 is what started the downfall, i was thereActually it started with 3 with the gay orphanage and ruining Kiryu's character
>>737482028>it's wacky woohoo anime now, it wasn't like this beforeThe old games are based on famous Yakuza movies. The RPGs are based on One Piece. You are a moron.
>>737463245For me it wasn't really him, it was the turn-based combat. It lacked any depth and was way too slow, like they almost universally are. There's a lot they could've potentially done with it if they approached it right, but it was a complete and utter slog thanks to the boring-ass implementation. I didn't end up playing 8 and probably won't play another Yakuza, my interest is just lost now.
>>737482123Pic rel is the standart shonen rival, ''i wanna fight you to see who is strong'' gimmick>Actually it started with 3How would you know, you never played it
>>737467024>Two side characters from spinoff games is in top 10 of main game popularity gameRGG is really fucked up for letting Judgment died lmao.
>>737479875This shit's just lame, literally no stakes. It's narutoslop at this point when characters that get shot in the head like Lau are just fine.
>>737482326>You are my rival kiryu, i don't care about anything i just wanna know who is strong, no one can stop our battleYou have never watched a Yakuza movie in your life, you faggot poser
I have been playing the restored ps2 versions after enjoying the psp games.From what I can tell I should only play zero and then never play an yakuza game ever again since I only hear the franchise went to shit from 3 onwards.>>737481569y es they are. pretty fucking cool games. Plays similar to def jam because it was made by the same devs.
>>737463245I think Ichiban being a retard with a shonen protagonist brain contrasts well with his environment, and matches the retarded but fun cartoon world of Yakuza game, I thought it was fine that they embraced that.>b...but muh mature gritty crime thriller Yakuza 0Yakuza 0 tried but it's still too anime to be a crime thriller. If you want that watch a real Yakuza flicks like Battles without Honor and Humanity or Cops vs Thugs.
>>737482326You don't actually watch Yakuza movies if you thought Y1 was a good depiction of Yakuza genre.Yakuza movies don't end with an epic anime rooftop showdown, and a big battle against a super evil government man.
>>737472127I would pay to watch someone carve out your throat
>>737483821Yakuza 1 has so much in common with cowboy bebop it's unreal, both even end with rooftop fights involved an evil government agent, wouldn't be surprised if it was their main inspiration
>>737484457It's just a shonen trope, bebop isn't exactly shonen but spectacle over narrative is a major appeal of the genre, and bebop 100% relies on it.Yakuza and Bebop only seems "mature" on surface because it doesn't have any of that anime superpower bullshit, but at its core it's very shonen.It's not a bad thing though, but it's disingenuous to pretend that it's a gritty thriller.
>>737485403I believe you might be right about that, i didn't watch that many Anime but when you said ''rooftop government guy'', Cowboy Bebop is the first thing that popped to me
>>737463245>destroysI like Ichiban's games tho. 7 was an absolute breath of fresh air after 5 and 6 and 8's biggest problem was how they listened too much to all the >muh kiryuwhiners instead of continuing to innovate.
>>737482028You are so confident in your opinion and cool that you decided to vaguepost instead of quoting the post that actually made you type out this seethe
I thought people liked IW?
>>737484457really wished we had the hd remasters translated.yakuza 1 with yakuza 2 combat sounds great.
>>7374878381 HD does not have 2's combat fixes with the targeting, it's identical to 1. The only things changed outside of updating the visuals in 1 HD are restaurants having marks for what you ate, item boxes at save spots, and you can make a NG+ save file.
>>737487964wait really?i always heard it had combat improvements from 2 but i guess people were just talking of their ass then.
>>737487552You are bitter cause you have no arguments
midwit franchise desu.If more people with taste played it, they would've picked it apart and destroyed it 4 games ago.I've seen how high IQ fans can bring up arguments and how those arguments then percolate through all avenues of the fandom. I planted some wonderful seeds in Ace Attorney after the series stopped being good, and I still see the reddit autists discussing those points on a daily basis, because there's truth in it.But Yakuza? Annoying series to start with. I don't wanna look at these cartoony looking photorealistic asian men with their forceful face expressions and low-budget content. Only played 4 hours of Yakuza Zero before I realized this is a midwit franchise.
>>737482112he's a bottom without a top
>>737488030The only changes are>BothSaves are handled through the XMB (Not sure about how Wii U handles it, only own the PS3 version) so you have as many saves as you want instead of like how 1 and 2 had that menu for your memory card.Item boxes are accessible at all save points instead of just hideouts. You still only heal for free at hideouts.Restaurants mark off any food you ate at them.Loading times significantly reduced when installed to the HDD. Feels faster than emulating it on PCSX2 though that's just an eyeball test, I haven't personally timed it.NPCs on the overworld have higher quality faces further away than on PS2 so they have to move a good distance before turning more potato quality.Signs have all been updated to higher quality variants.Objects in the distance like buildings or signs that were blurry in the originals are now crystal clear. This is more noticeable in places like the Hotel District where you can see these huge buildings in the background that are super fuzzy in the PS2 versions but crisp in the HD versions.>1 HDNG+ is available.>2 HDHard is unlocked by default, no need to beat the game.>PS3Saves for 1 HD and 2 HD unlock equips in 5 (Including the western version).Trophies for both 1 HD and 2 HD.>Wii UMap is always shown on the Gamepad.You can swap gameplay from the TV to the Gamepad and play on it.According to the FAQ page supposedly you can look at your completion status on the Gamepad as well?They didn't backport the item icons to 1 HD either, so only 2 HD has item icons.
>>737481878Kazama probably
>>737463356>>737464039It's X though
>>737483607>I think Ichiban being a retard with a shonen protagonist brain contrasts well with his environment, and matches the retarded but fun cartoon world of Yakuza gameThat's the same reason I prefer a more serious protagonist because it kind of grounds the world a little bit when the character has more realistic reactions to all the weird shit that happens. Also Ichiban has clearly given the devs the feeling that there really are no boundaries they can't cross when it comes to how absurd and fantastical the world can be. It's weird because Ichiban was pretty much the goofiest part of 7, it was actually a pretty grounded story for the most part. But in 8 everything got heightened so much there was just no silly/serious balancing out anymore and it was hard to care about the stakes of what was happening
>>737490439Sure I was talking more about 7, everyone knows 8's story was a shitty afterthought but that shouldn't invalidate Ichiban as a character.
>>737472127I don't know about that, I really enjoyed the combat in the french japanese role playing game.
>>737484017>jrpg babu so turn based brained that he can't imagine doing something himself
I tolerated Yakuza's goofiness since Kiryu was such a hardass that it was fun to have the world around him contrast. Ichiban just leans into it, along with a jrpg system that I hate. I miss action adventure.
>>737463613Nothing. People are just upset because RGG has no consistent writer and they asspull like Araki but without Araki's charm.It took the 3 remaster with RUBBER BUSHES for people to finally accept the series doesn't really have great writing.
>>737463613He's too silly for a serious franchise. Ichiban really needs the Raiden treatment from MGS4 real quick.
>>737478757True, 0 really messed up the series by being good.
>>737479639>7 is not the best game but it was best written yakoozer imo (excluding clayface).Why are we doing all this? No idea, because the afro guy is just like that. Why did I get shot? It was actually just a knockout bullet and all part of a master plan.That's retarded.
>>737493381Arakawa shooting Ichiban is way more retarded than that. It was a real bullet and Ichiban was a nobody and not a threat, no one would've minded him rejoining like his Fat Shinji friend (even Jo was like huh no one picked you up from jail???) and Arakawa's only goal is to gather more warm bodies for Daigo sama.But you also can't forget shit like a quarter of the story being about the fallout with Nanba's stupid brother who is actually completely fine just off-screen plapping some fat korean bitch
