>long awaited Aztec faction dropped>no discussionsWhy?
>>737482016>Non-canon DLC factions 25 years laterArkantos never sailed to the new world and he didn't travel to the Orient
I can't comment on why other people are or aren't talking about it, but I'm not shilling it because they frankly did a bad job with the Aztec theme.>The unit and god designs are all very stereotypical, ranging from completely terrible to ehh at best: Most are either based on Concheros/Danza aztecas preformers or Apocalypto style unga bunga jungle tribesmen without actual clothing or armor. Pretty much every design is some flavor of shit on the left side of pic related>Particularly egregious is the fact that Popocatepetl and Iztaccihuatl seem to be based on Andean/Inca stuff (and not accurately either) rather then anything Mesoamerican>The architecture is done worse then fan made Aztec AoM mods, which actually give everything the proper architectural style and white plaster with painted accents, wheras the architecture they went with, while not terrible, takes a lot of fantastical liberties without any real reason for doing so, doesn't use the actual color schemes we know the Aztec used, and lacks pladter in favor of just showing stone with painted accents>They gave Tezcatlipoca a circular temple, associated with Quetzalcoatl, that even has Teotihuacano feathered serpent heads on it, meanwhile they gave Quetzalcoatl (which the temple would have been a good fit for) something based on the Maya Temple of Kukulcan at Chichen Itza insteadI suggest people check out Tlatoani: Aztec Cities instead if they want a real time strategy/city building game with an Aztec theme
They're fun and I like the campaignI can't believe how long I had to wait for AoM to be on par with Empire Earth and have volcanos>>737482067>Genghis Khan never fought the Incas, Definitive Edition is bullshitWhy are cat posts always the worst posts
>>737482291Most of that shit on the right strains credulity and is effectively WE WUZ
>>737482067Does the new content actually feature arkantos? Or any of the OGs?If it does I will actually play it but if it's a bunch of donut steel OCs I'm not keen
>>737482460I haven't played much of the aztec campaign, but Ajax and the dwarves appear in the chinese and japanese campaigns.
>>737482016i'm not paying AAA full price for a shitty soulless xpac for a 3 decade old game, one full of AIslop to boot
>>737482460Ajax, Amanra, Kastor, Brokk and Eitri take up a surprising amount of screen time in the campaign, since the campaign is split between the Aztecs at home and the Aztecs (evil) abroadEven Chiron shows up for a level
>>737482460No, but Kastor shows up.
The Chinese campaign was quite the snorefest, but the final mission was decent fun.The Japanese campaign was more memorable since some of the characters looked really silly (like the Tengu guy), but the last mission was shit.
>>737482016>DLC promoted by a picture of hot white looking women with decent honkersThat's new
Remember how the main campaign introduced Reginleif as our next companion, she spoke maybe 2 sentences and then became a background character that never spoke again?That was a waste of a perfectly fine Norse character.
>>737482960>Who is this mysterious Norse female hero in the new Arena of the Gods mode?>Why, it's Champion of Freyr, of courseEven in the original games they never knew what to do with the NorseBut they did give Reginleif a Mythic Battle, at least
>>737482375>strains credulityIf anything, it's less impressive than what the Spanish reported tho? They talk about feather paintings that are the equal of any European artist and mosaics of millions of tiles.
>>737483187And it sucks, because the Norse were always my favourite and Norse mythology is the coolest. But they were clearly running out of ideas by the time the Norse campaign started.
aisloppa no buy
>>737482375>>737483256>Most of that shit on the right strains credulity and is effectively WE WUZIncorrect, here are the primary source accounts, manuscripts, and ruins the depictions on the right side are based on.Everything the right side depicts ranges from "mostly authentic with minor to moderate bit of artistic liberty", to "nearly 1:1 accurate, based on literal, specific sculptures and reliefs" Here's also 80+ photos and archeological excavation diagrams of ruins from the Aztec and other Central Mexican civilizations like the Teotihuacanos to show that the architectural style depicted in the right side of >>737482291 are authentic, in the event pic related isn't enough for you: https://pastebin.com/MsiYXN3L
>>737482016sex
>>737482016Didn't they wokeslop this remake?
>>737484121no
>>737482291why do you think that "aztecs" or "mayans" were perfectly equal in all ways? if you say "roman" do you think they were all equipped the same and lived the same?
>>737485630Of course they weren't equivalent, what part of the image makes you think it's trying to say they were?
>>737485669because it says that the ones on the left are wrong and the ones on the right are correct.which is horseshit.
>>737485689Anon, you realize that BOTH sides have some Aztec and some Maya depictions, right?On the left side, the Siege of Tenochtitlan painting, the Aztec Jaguar from Deadliest Warrior, the two Hernan screenshots (i'm counting the Tlaxcalteca as Aztec since they're Nahua), and Moctezuma II in Civ rev are Aztec, while the three Apocalypto images and the Shadow of the Tomb Raider priestess are MayaOn the right side, A, C, D, H, I, J, and K are Aztec, while B, E, F, and G are Maya.If there's any issue with the collage, it's that it's JUST showing Aztec and Maya stuff and not also Mixtec, Zapotec, Olmec, Purepecha, Teotihuacan etc stuff
>>737482016It's cheap and uninspired shlock, OP. Get some modicum of taste and stop gorging on any pile of shit with a nostalgic name sprinkled over it.
AoE3 is the superior game (and it also has Aztecs)
Somehow this is still going better than the last AoM thread /v/ had
>>737486919I know this artist
>>737482291jaguar warriors didn't actually wear jaguar skin? it was some hide dyed yellow and black?
>>737482348sounds like you had a blast
>long awaitedBitch, by who?
>>737487716it's so obvious in retrospect that I feel incredibly retarded for not realizing this sooner
>>737487716>>737488193Well, the most basic form of Aztec armor was ichcahuipilli, which were essentially gambeson vests or tunics, made of padded or stuffed cloth. Full body warsuits (tlahuiztli, technically the term applies to any piece of military equipment but modern sources mainly use it to refer to warsuits) or skirted tunics/jackets (ehuatl) were worn by elite soldiers over the ichcahuipilli (as well as some metal jackets/tunics, though they're very rarely described)The warsuits and tunics were themselves made of thick cloth, covered in feather mosaic, tens or hundreds of thousands of feathers where the different colors of feathers were arranged to make different patterns and images. In the case of Jaguar themed warsuits, the pattern was jaguar spots, but for other ranks and unit divisions the patterns were geometric, mythological, etc. The Jaguar's head was a wooden helmet also covered in feather mosaic and inlaid/embeded precious stone and metal piecesThe feather mosaic technique was also used on the outer surface of shields, to cover military banners, on some non-martial clothing and garments, models/figures of animals, etc. In the colonial period the Spanish comissioned a lot of feather mosaic "paintings" depicting catholic saints and biblical scenes, some clothing for bishops using it, etcThat all being said, there is one (very late, so maybe unreliable) account which claims that commoners who achieved a title of honorary nobility through military service and earned the right to wear Jaguar themed equipment from doing so had to make do with lesser quality warsuits made from Jaguar fur rather then feather mosaic. But this would almost certainly still be a full body, processed suit, like fur gloves or coats, not just a hercules/caveman skinned hide slug over the shoulder, and I suspect the fur would still be stitched over a thick cloth base, with the fur just replacing the mosaic.
>>737482291>compare maya village from apocalypto in junglefuck nowhere to cities
>>737488412Thanks for the info anon
>>737482016pits
>>737488412>>737488193>>737487716>>737488670And here are some of the colonial period feather mosaic "paintings"Note how the feathers are iridescent and change color based on the viewing angle>>737488424I've addressed this critique before. The short version is that 1. Even as a depiction of a smaller village, the village in Apocalypto is shit. It has no harms, the denizens just hunt and gather, there's no decent clothing, other infrastructure, and the villagers don't even know larger cities exist. Even the most rural, smallest Mesoamerican village would have trade and political connections to other villages, towns, and larger cities, would have practiced agriculture, etc2. Even though Copan and Uxmal are larger cities, the Patio Groups of homes you see in the Copan artwork, and hell to an extent even the market in Uxmal's nunnery, are still better representations of what a small Maya suburb or market would be like, if you ignore the larger central acropolis and the stone architecture in the nunnery. 3. The Apocalypto village screenshot is itself a representative for the broader stereotype of the Mesoamericans just living in huts in jungles and not having big cities, so the fact that it is being compared to big cities is, to an extent, part of the point: That the Maya had actual cities, not just huts surrounded grey ruins.4. We would ideally have included an authentic depiction of a smaller Mesoamerican village or town as a more direct comparsion to the Apocalypto screenshot, but there's not room in the collage.If you give a shit, I explain this in more detail and post artwork of what an actual small village/town looked like here: https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/15566689/#15570073 , https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/639626710/#639661018 , https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/703704064/#703720163 , https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/639426568/#639510963, https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/732907728/#732911620 , https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/639626710/#639661018 etc
>>737488875>>737488424*farms, not harms
>>737482016because AoE2 also got south america civs and they're way better + better game as a whole
>>737488875>there's no decent clothing, other infrastructure, and the villagers don't even know larger cities existI've been to villages not even on most paper maps in bum fuck nowhere former yugoslavia mountain where people looked at the tourist bus like niggers looked at coca cola bottles in gods must be crazy. they knew nothing about life outside the 3 nearby villages and that a minivan came every week buying and selling the shit they need. it was before smartphones but still it shouldnt be surprising that people in the 14th century in south asia lived like that. the city itself in apocalypto def needs a lot more color. t. been to peru>stereotypeyou can go to rural brasil and SEA to see there are people living in similar huts right now. partially to leech govt gibsive seen you a lot in threads like this so ive been meaning to ask whats your opinion on onyx equinox? you included codex black in the image so you should be familiar with it
>>737482291>>737483569we don't care bean boy kys
>>737482375Not really. In many ways Aztecs were civilized and had rather modern conservative views on society, example men had to join a military school that was effectively boy scouts and city guard rolled into one. They also had advanced cities with aqueducts and artificial islands built similar to how Rome used to build bridges and aqueducts.Its their religious ceremonies that were so bafflingly savage and sadistic, not to mention their entire religious mythology where gods regularly decapitated or skinned themselves or each other. Closest thing for comparison would be Rome which was also relatively civilized but had their own ritual funeral rite sacrifices in forms of Gladiator battles. But despite the high body count number gladiator battles paled in comparison to Aztecs torturing children to death to collect their tears or decapitating dancers after an orgy, or skinning alive a warrior and wearing his skin as a jacket until it rotted off.Thats what makes Aztecs so interesting. How can they be so modern in normal everyday lives but then their religion is so extreme.
>aztecs never invented the wheel
>>737489007Aztecs have been in AoE2 since 2000
>>737482291>Meso autist postToday is a good day, I love your work. Actually made me go down the rabbit hole a bit myself.
>>737489924It's a shame how few people drive around on their calendars
>>737482016>extra pair of ai handslol
>>737489645>Aztecs torturing children to death to collect their tears or decapitating dancers after an orgy, or skinning alive a warrior and wearing his skin as a jacket until it rotted off.What in the fuck.
>>737482291You expect too much from Age of Mythologies. My favorite brainfart of the game is how the story mode villain is a cyclops who worships and tries to wake up Chronos, the one greek god who absolutely hated all cyclops.
>>737482016Because the faction is uninspired in the sense that all of its relevant mechanisms and designs are straight up lifted from the other factions in an amateurish wayAll of their human units blend together visually, all of their myth units are either just weirdly shaped humans or animals with hats, their tonalli system is just norse favor with extra steps, even their god powers are blandDon't let that nigger distract you with muh historical accuracy, AoM has never been about it as ensemble just fucking winged it back in the day and the only correction brought by world's edge was to the petsuchos as a marketing ploy
>>737483569lol love it when the artist is a sperg and btfo's people posting about their shit
>>737490193Like he said, they modern conservative views on society.
>>737490368Lel.
>>737487959Aztecs have always been a pick for an eventual xpac civ, their entire mythology and culture made them an obvious choiceBetter than Celts or Yoruba or whatever, and much less potentially controversial than Hindu or Abrahamics, now I'm waiting on SumeriansThere's also that Return of the Gods mod for Extended, I'd be interested to see how that compares to Retold Aztecs
>>737489645>mfw I read up on Aztecs, assuming the skulls and torture are pop culture exaggerations, only to find out that heart extraction is Tuesday in Tenochtitlan
>>737482291>using a drawing from mossacannibalis as proof of realityI hate this website so much. Fuck you guinea pig eater.
>>737490193There was also Xuihtecuhutli, Aztec fire gods sacrifice ritual where people were drugged and then thrown in a fire. After cooking for a while, priest pulled them out with a meat hook and opened their chests while they were burned but alive. Cannibalism was also a thing with all the rituals. What Apocalypto didn't show and what most people don't mention is that after the whole heart extraction sacrifice and the body getting kicked down the stairs, the body doesn't get dumped on some pit, instead it got cut up into pieces and best meat parts were given to noble- and priesthood families. Cannibalism wasn't the daily diet of Aztecs but human flesh was festival food during the rituals.There was a time when some historians tried to play it off as spanish priest propaganda until archeologists found child graves with signs of torture on the bones beneath Tenochtitlán city. Would be cool to have an rpg game where aztec mythology was depicted as bloodthirsty as it was. Closest thing in games is Vaal in Path of Exile and they're more like fantasy Stargate Aztecs.
>>737489645It is funny how Tezcatlipoca's pitch to the Titans cast is that the Aztecs are the bad guys because they're warlike and mean so we should go fight themNevermind you've also been sacrificing villagers next to Ajax's and Amanra's town the entire missionI almost wish they leaned more on being a villain campaign, would've been a refreshing take
>>737482291Oh wise Meso-America Autist anon, where should I start looking to find historically accurate depiction of everyday clothing of the people in that region? Most sources only focus on the military stuff, and I want to know what the common people and nobles wear when normally.
>>737490791Makes me wonder how and why they even developed such a barbaric religion.
>>737482067fpbp
>>737490256You forget the censorship
>>737482291>"""""""authentic""""""">zero evidence
>>737482016aztecs had a pit slut god? based
>>737490193>What in the fuck.Not Mesoanon but he's bullshitting you. All of those claims have a silver of truth in them but it's completely twisting everything about it.>Aztecs tortured children to death to collect their tears.Yes, their ritual to the god of agriculture and rain once a year to make sure they wouldn't all get murdered by a big drought did ask for the tears of children.However, they themselves wept with the kids (to no one's surprise) and killed them in much the same fashion as everyone else. Once selected, these kids were given heaven on Earth treatment before their eventual sacrifice, which likewise involved the standard stabbing, no torturing to death.Absolutely not something one can glorify or wish on anyone, much less kids. But the Aztecs themselves saw it in a similar light. They saw the sacrifice of a few kids to make all of the other kids and adults not die of starvation as a necessity, but aside from the whole tears-rain association, they also tried to make it up to the unlucky kids as was possible within their means.>skinning alive a warrior and wearing his skin as a jacket until it rotted off.Again. Apart from the whole problem of you not giving a single fuck what happens to your skin once you die (there are a ton of medieval books bound in human skin, even Europeans didn't exactly hold our own skin as explicitly out of reach if it could prove useful), the real issue here is that anon mentions this ritual as again a completely casual thing. Implying they really just enjoyed draping someone's face over theirs.In reality these were no casual Sunday jackets or shirts. It was an extremely serious ritual where the people who put on those skins had to act their way until the skins started falling apart. They were shunned by the rest of the populace because of the smell compounded by the fact they couldn't bathe or put the skin down.Macabre, but unpleasant even to them and done as a personal sacrifice, not an edgy Wh40k larp.
>>737491178I'm like 99% sure mesoamerica anon is an academic specializing in Mesoamerican cultures so he has plenty of evidenceOr he's just massively autistic and has a lot of free time
>>737491010Aztecs weren't the first, they were just most extreme. Archeologists uncovered even bigger child sacrifice grave of Chimu Empire in Peru. 227 children with cut throats, along with hundreds of sacrificed llamas. The whole Caribbean islands are named after Canibis, notorious cannibal tribe feared by the surrounding tribes so cannibalism was a thing all around that region.
>>737491267>using artwork from mossa the r34 rape artist as "authentic aztec depictions">academicfuck off you idiot
>>737491217>and killed them in much the same fashion as everyone else.The bones had signs of torture and abuse though, how do you think the priests extracted those tears from those kids? Farting in their faces? The whole point was that Aztec religious rituals were extreme while their daily lives not so much. At this point nobody is trying to downplay it.
>>737491438>using artwork from mossa the r34 rape artistSpotted the redditor. Funny how you trannies chased him off your circles so now he's exclusively 4chan/Sadpanda artist.
>>737491438r34 rape does not preclude historical accuracy. Do you have a counterexample that shows his examples to be inauthentic? Because he cites his sources all the time.
>>737489510I mean, if that's your experience then I can't question that, but I'm going off of what I understand from the archeological evidence. Even smaller rural Aztec sites like Cuexcomate had commoners with some access to find goods, bronze sewing needles smuggled in from the Purepecha Empire, etc. Stuff seemed to get around.Also the issue isn't there being huts, obviously many commoners even in larger Mesoamerican cities were in huts, the issue is that the village in Apocalypto and in many depictions is nothing BUT huts without any other infrastructure or larger architecture. Look at the remains of Joya de Ceren and it had bathes, temples, agricultural fields etc despite being a small Maya village. >Onyx EquinoxIn terms of the Mesoamerican elements? Mostly very well done, IMO, which is why it's also included in the right side of the collage, you seem to have missed that the Uxmal Nunnery image is taken from Onyx.Ironically the clothing of the main cast in Onyx is entirely fictional, but other then that and the designs of the underworld monsters and Mictlantecuhtli, pretty much everything is well researched and rooted in actual Mesoamerican architecture, clothing, iconography, and symbolism. Even Izel's character arc ties into themes found in Nahuatl poetry and ethics as recorded in the Florentine Codex.I posted more about it here: https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/246395347/#246401037 and the next 2 posts in the thread after that (plus if you dig up all the threads /co/ had as it was airing I was in most of them) and my friend MajoraZ (with some help from me) contributed to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y2R3l94Hps breaking down the first few episodes. A bunch of us would like to eventually do in depth breakdowns on every episode, but we don't have a platform to do it on since it's niche and no Youtubers will cover it anymore. Majora might make a blog though at some point so maybe we'll do it there if he does
>>737482016I never buy any of these Age of Empires dlc's until they drop to around $5. $20 for this is steep imo.
how much was ai used for this expac?
>>737491267Or /v/ and /his/ have some cross-lurkers, the same way /k/ and /his/ does whenever /k/ starts talking about medieval wars.
>>737491965All of it. AoM Retold is full of AI slop and has been from the start.
>>737491553>how do you think the priests extracted those tears from those kids?By forcefully separating 4-6 year old kids from their parents and telling them they're going to die in a painful way in a week or so?Straight out of Florentine Codex:>And when the children were about to reach the places where they were to be killed, if they happened to go along weeping and shedding many tears, those who saw them crying would rejoice, for they said that this was a sign that it would soon rain.It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you torture anyone, they will start screaming. But at that point the whole ceremony doesn't even make sense. It works because kids are likely going to start crying on the way and that's your good sign. Everyone who's not stoned out of their mind will cry in pain when they get their fucking heart ripped out, but that's not how this whole ritual and association with kids worked.Now could they "help" a certain kid who was too much of a hero for their own good cry out? That I would understand but a dedicated ordeal where everyone not only gets tortured but is killed through said torture in spite of all the other elements of the ritual is where I call bullshit unless you provide some good evidence.
>>737491965Considering how many people fall for the hand necklace, /v/ clearly has more Mesoamerican experts than AI experts
>>737492585Except bones of children found in Tlaloc child grave were broken before they were deceased, meaning the priests deliberately broke childrens bones to cause pain to extract the tears. Again for the third time, the bones of the dead children showed signs of torture. Meaning the priests tortured the children before the sacrifice. In comparison the sacrifice of Inca and Chimu children did not show signs of torture.
>>737491010I can think of...other religions that partake in child sacrifice
>>737491750>it's also included in the right side of the collageoh shit im retarded. i saw the pic and the first line but my brain automatically skipped line 2 which was the source>>737493069cool it with the antisemitic remarks
>3/4 missions are defend missions >at least 3 missions were straight up uninspired macro missions in the vein of "build up and kill X" with zero twists>Story is a gigantic "meh">Voice acting is incredibly flat, specially considering half the cast are literal gods You can tell they just took a bunch of interns and told them to get chopping
>>737492894Well anon, I cited my source, please provide us the same courtesy for wherever you're drawing the idea that Tlaloc sacrifices all involved physical torture as you claim.Despite, you know, neither Spanish nor post-conquest Mexica sources drawing attention to such. Even if they most certainly had no reason to hide what was one of the most important events of the year and the sacrificial portion of which happened during broad daylight on top of a public pyramid, not a child torture dungeon from which a priest would simply emerge and go "Oh yeah, little Tlaloctepetl cried rivers by the time I put him out of his misery so we're good to go."
>>737493652I thought the Norse nobuild mission was fun>Walking into the caves at the start gets you pushed out by the wind>Get a free polar bear hero by completing an optional puzzle>Snowman in the top corner>If you keep your ulfsarks alive and kill enough Fafnirs you can turn it into a macro mission and get yourself a TitanAlmost felt like a Warcraft 3 map with all the scripting and details
>>737493834>Well anon, I cited my source, please provide us the same courtesyDuverger, Christian (2005). La flor letal: economía del sacrificio azteca.>"Archaeologists have found the remains of at least 42 children sacrificed to Tlaloc at the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan. Many of the children suffered from serious injuries before their death, they would have to have been in significant pain as Tlaloc required the tears of the young as part of the sacrifice."
>>737490183it's part of her myth r-tard there's even a tech about them
I came here expecting shitposting, very nice thread
>>737482016I want age of empires 3 dlc not this crap
>>737482016wow they must be pretty desperate if they are willing to bring back sexappeal after how woke and lame the original characters looked
>>737482291am i really supposed to care about the feeling of some human sareficing canidbals?
>>737494551Anon, are you for fucking real? This is AI.>Duverger, ChristianReal anthropologist>La flor letal: economía del sacrificio azteca.A real book.>"Archaeologists have found the remains of at least 42 children sacrificed to Tlaloc at the Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan. Many of the children suffered from serious injuries before their death, they would have to have been in significant pain as Tlaloc required the tears of the young as part of the sacrifice."A real quote taken from random articles.However, the book was released in 1983 and the associated text is talking about something completely different.A massive sacrificial event happening during 3 years of perpetual drought. Not only an apocalyptic level disaster in comparison to their regular practice every damn year, the quote your AI shat out draws the wrong kind of conclusions.The Tlaloc children were sickly (which is normal for small kids living through several years of famine) and that's what the articles cite as the source of their pain.I.e. take 42 of the biggest goners who are already dying from malnutrition and offer those.NOT randomly grabbing kids every year and breaking their bones for fun.Of course, La flor letal: economía del sacrificio azteca does not talk about that sacrifice at all. All he says is paraphrasing the portions of Florentine Codex I just quoted earlier and brings up nail-pulling as a way to ensure kids who didn't cry, would.I had to download the French original from Zlib just to check this bullshit. It is possible they only included details of that particular event in the Spanish translation but then you're back to the problem of it being a freak event rather than standard ritual practice.
>>737482016Are those boobs in-game?
>>737496907destruction
>>737496942yeah she's a heroic age minor god
>>737482016nice tits
>>737490791>What ApocalyptoStopped reading there, can't trust anything in this post if it's using fucking apocalypto as a source lol.
>>737491750The MCs' clothes being fictional is mostly a character design decision rather than a historical one, have to make the main cast stand out from everyone else so you have to take liberties and obviously our current iconography of what you expect heroes to look like doesn't line up anymore with that culture either.
>>737497564what's wrong in Apocalypto, everything looked very realistinc.>inb4 decadent Maya city states and people looked and behaved exactly like they did in their prime
>>737482291>it's the anon that always show up in threads mentioning aztec or mesoamerican shitgotta command the dedication
>>737482291>inaccurate>man wearing a pelt>accurate>man wearing leopard print pajamas and flip flopsok lol
>>737496942>>737497369>>737497420Can't believe I'm saying this for a strategy game but....I'm waiting for the porn.
>>737497564He's literally saying Apocalypto is inaccurate
I wasn't labeling my posts across the thread so I'm retroactively doing so now>737482291>737483569>737488412>737488875>>737491750Cont:>>737490234No, I don't think I am. The Greek Hoplite still has what is basically actually Hoplite armor even if I'm sure the specific granular details are off and it doesn't match a specific period and regional variant of Greek armor. The Samurai still has a Kabuto helmet, laminar armor, etc. But most of the shit AoM is doing for the Aztec doesn't even vaguely resemble anything the Aztec actually used or wore. Does this: static.wikia.nocookie.net/ageofempires/images/4/47/Jaguar_Riders_AoMR.jpeg look like anything in >>737488412 to you? Or anything on the right side of >>737482291 ? Or like anything in pic related?>>737490256See above. AoM taking some liberties with the other civs isn't close to how badly the Aztec got butchered.>>737490774Mossa's art is directly based on actual manuscript depictions of Aztec women and their huipil blouses, See panel I in >>737483569 . If your complaint is the whole Sexual Assault victim art fisaco he was involved in, that happened after we compiled the collage, but frankly that still has no bearing on the accuracy of his Mesoamerican work. >>737490887See the clothing section in our WIP bookchart here: desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/tg/image/1763/61/1763615559436.jpg and also look up collages by Zotz/Kamazotz/Zotzcomic/Daniel Parada/Kushkatan, OHS688 (some of his stuff is furry but it's all authentic in terms of fashion), and Axolitoo (but he nuked a lot of his older art) to name a few examples of online artists. MiCorazonMexica also has some stuff but he often takes some liberties and focuses a lot on deities rather then everyday fashion. Peter Dennis (the Osprey and Dorling Kindersley illustrator) also has some everyday pieces in addition to his military work, you can find a bunch on stock photo sites, I have a large collection saved I can rar up for you if you want? 6/?
>>737496907>Your source doesn't count because...well...because its AI! A mystical genie came out of my ass and told me so!Retard ran out of arguments.
>>737482016I already own the old version on SteamAnd two versions of AOE2Rerelease Jews suck
The aztecs god powers are lame desu and half of the units being aoe3 counterparts doesn't help either, hell even the barracks are callled war/nobles hut
>>737482589Really? That's cool
>>737482016ummm mexico?
>>737494551idk wikipedia lad this appears to be the only mention of torturing children in la fleur létale
>>737482291This picture looks like it was made by some American woman on Instagram.
Update just dropped
>>737482016Booba
>>737494551>>737500220i will also note that an article by juan alberto román berrelleza on offering 48[1], which i found cited in various articles as the 42 children dug up (and does in fact contain 42 children), does not describe torture at all and instead describes the sacrifice as having been done by throat-slitting[1] Berrelleza, J. A. R. (1987). Offering 48 of the Templo Mayor: A case of child sacrifice. The Aztec Templo Mayor, 131-143.
>>737488412 they look like toddlers fighting in onesies
>>737501178>Instawhores>Citing their sources>Doing actual research>Not giving everyone dark skin>Art from non-Anglophone internetPlease, anon. Might as well look at the pyramids and go "Uh-huh, looks like some hotel in Las Vegas."Mesoanon is legit.
>>737482016Really refreshing to see hot white women in games again, even if it still rare.
>>737501881>Might as well look at the pyramids and go "Uh-huh, looks like some hotel in Las Vegas."I've heard this before
>>737502079I have genuinely no idea what you're referencing. Went with pyramids because I couldn't think of a believable parallel for cathedrals.At least the fake pyramid is decently well known thanks to San Andreas.
>>737482291im pretty sure right and left depict the exact same thing (except that siege of tenochtitlan painting, but that's how all art of that period was, complete fabrication)left is too grungy, but it's only real problem is it doesn't show any agriculture, which gives a "tribal" impression. but not showing something at all isn't the same as showing something wrong.right is too idealistic, but im sure the rich people areas were that nice
>>737482016Too much tits
>>737482016Can she make good tamales tho?
>>737491217Based on what modern day spics are doing to each other in the drug trade I believe absolutely everything anon says about aztecs. Filthy savages the lot of them.
>>737482291>>737483569>>737488412>>737488875>>737491750>>737498385This guy is genuinely one of the most based men on 4chan and the only reason i haven't completely stopped using /his/ is because I know he'll always materialize from the aether to back me up in dispelling retarded myths about pre hispanic america
>>737502672Modern spics are your typical modern misterymeat thirdie mafia, though.Mafia on Corsica, in Moscow, yakuza in Japan (RIP Junko), etc.They're brutal savages everywhere and they don't create civilisation, just make an already shitty life all the more shitty for those who cross their path.New Spain was a poor shithole but it wasn't a murderdome shithole in the centuries of the interim after the locals stopped practicing their religion and before Mexican independence and the rule of the cartels.
>>737503323I know that mafias and co all around the world fuck people in horrible ways but the sheer quantity of violence coming from spics clearly shows genetic predisposition for it.
>>737498426>goes directly to the original text instead of the AI summary>n-no! You're still wrong!
>>737501949>we wuz Aztecs n shiiiiiet
Volcano feels like Meteor + Earthquake + Lighting Storm put into one power. It's hilarious how ridiculous it is, especially compared to the stupid stone statue that does no damage with its water blasts.
>>737503660They do it everywhere, you only hear about it more because it's being used as propaganda in your country
I wish the photo mode let me zoom in closer so I could take better shots of the unitsAlternatively let me hide the UI when I'm using a unit as a camera, since that has the angle that I want>>737504438They just nerfed the volcano and buffed the statue less than an hour ago
>>737504491>anti-mexican propaganda is being supplied to me in southern EuropeSure thing pace, you entire race is a collection of retarded savages and you can cope about it all you want. Maybe go torture some children to make you feel better too.
>>737482016I don't give a fuck about anything in this franchise that wasn't made by Ensemble.
>>737482016>expecting conversation about an obscure update for an obscure remake of an already obscure RTS on the second-most astroturfed boardI Shiggy Diggy, OP.Anyways, update is really good. Was worried after the Demeter pack that they'd shit the bed.Favorite loadout is Scorpionmaxxing and Blood Pacting snakes for raids.All of their Mythic Age options fucking suck, ESPECIALLY Skeletor. Owl special doesn't work right and all his techs suck.Love Wadjets.
>>737482016There is no way that's an official pic. Microsoft is way too cucked to show actual boobs this way
Every other pantheon's gods:>God of farming>God of wisdom>God of the oceanAztec pantheon gods:>God of scorpions and poison>God of death and suffering>God of demons
>>737505095it's right in the banner for the steam news even
>>737501881>>737502079>Might as well look at the pyramids and go "Uh-huh, looks like some hotel in Las Vegas."Are we a fucking hive mind how do all three of us remember a stupid ass /his/ post with 4 replies from like 2 years ago.
>>737505103They're the good guys :)
>>737505328we don't but the 4chan shitposting LLM does
>>737502672>>737503323>Based on what modern day spics are doing to each other in the drug tradesomething something 80% of cartel weapons are from the US and the 20% are from isrealsomething something US having a colossal track record of propping up druglords and other terrorists in latin america to purge leftiesyou retards also unironically believe muslims are also some violent folks, even tho middle east had far less conflict and was far more tolerant to other religions and ethnicities than europe was before westies started exploiting the region in the 20th century, including propping up terrorists and making their installed puppet saudis spend hundreds of billions on spreading a modern ultra-puritan radical islam in less developed rural regions, admittedly on the request of western countries, to radicalize the region against lefties
>>737505095They went full fucking coomerbait with this DLC, anon
>>737482291literal spic posting
>>737505421anon...
>>737505421For fuck's sake, anon
>>737505397>something something jews>something something gay alien illuminatti pedophiles>puppets>wake up sheepleYep, it's schizo time.
>>737505593shalom
>>737482016Man, I loved this game as a kid and played through it a bunch of times, so when I bought it again as an adult I wanted to challenge myself by beating every campaign on the hardest difficulty, and I was actually doing pretty well for a while. It felt really satisfying too, because I already knew the game so well and it was fun having to actually think a bit more instead of just coasting through it on nostalgia alone.But by the time I got to Egypt, they dropped an update that added an even harder difficulty above the one I was playing on, and that completely killed my motivation.Honestly, I really should pick it up again, but I’d probably just play on a lower difficulty this time so I don’t burn myself out. I’m curious though, what difficulty were you guys playing on?
i only played aoe2
>>737482291>clearly well researched posts by someone clearly knowledgeable on the subject>fucking retards still trying to disagree with him/v/ must be one of the lowest iq boards
>>737505397In the entire world there isn't a single peaceful border between a mudslime and non-mudslime country, even the fucking Buddhist got sick of their shit and started killing them like the animals they are.I don't know what kind of shade of brown you are but make no mistake, it is disgusting.
>>737505896It feels like a recent change, people mostly used to appreciate mesoamericanon's autism
>>737505679I did everything on Titan besides mission 30 on the original campaign. The difficulty varies massively between missions and Egypt is overall the hardest part by far, since there's a bunch of missions where you get spammed with elephants and there's very limited gold supplies near your base. I think the new difficulty they added only increases enemy stats a little bit, it doesn't change anything else about how the mission plays.
I actually hazily remember picking up the OG version ages ago to play the new Chinese campaign, and I only lasted like four missions before I called it quits becuase they were so boring. What actually happened to them? Are they in Retold?
>>737505898Malaysia and Thighland
>>737505964There's a completely different Chinese campaign but it's still the worst one in the game.
>>737505593all the shit I said are verified things and are a google search away from you anonthe entire world knows that the US led westurd empire is a vile moral shitstain on humanity, this is not exactly a "conspiracy theory" or a fringe view, it's just westoids groomed by their criminal ""free media"" echochamber who believe this
>>737505964The Chinese got a complete redo for Retold, people hated Tale of the Dragon that muchThey are definitely better, though their myth units are a bit boring in comparison since they're all four-legged Sacred BeastsThe campaign is probably the weakest of all Retold's campaigns but it's still an improvement over TotD
>>737505649Yeah man, everyone is a jew pedophile nazi jesuit commie globalist elite sentient AI, AND THEY ARE OUT TO GET YOU!Watch out!
>>737504491nah mexicans are cartoonishly brutal for some reason
>>737505896/v/irgins don't start arguments on 4chan to have real debate and learn things they didn't understand before. They come here guided by dunning kruger syndrome to argue half known "truths" not to convince you they're right, but because they're bored and "know" just enough about what they're talking about to piss you off with their inaccuracies and bait you into replying more.
>>737505898there was literally zero terrorims in the middle east before the west started shipping and arming radical jewish terrorists into palestine who were literally the first terrorist group in the regionthere was literally no islamic terrorism before the US started popping up the alqaeda and taliban in the 80s to overthrow socialist afghanistan and making the Saudis spread wahabbism in the regionmiddle east literally had several times less conflict than europe had before the start of western colonization in the 20th century, and they were far more tolerant to other religions and ethnicities toooh I can't figure out what happened. Maybe some insanely immoral worm pieces of shits started endlessly arming different radical groups and planted colonial dictators in the region to attack and overthrow the resisting/rebelling countries in their usual slimy divide and rule tactics that they also used to also invade, loot and ruin the entire rest of the world too? Maybe these western powers have been overthrowing even liberal democracies in the region to prevent them from nationalizing resources and kicking out western corpos stealing their resources? Maybe they have been sanctioning and blockading resisting countries into utter poverty in an admitted attempt to destabilize the target countries and set them up for overthrows? Nah, surely these people are just lower than you. US just bombed 9 countries in a single year, massacred schoolgirls, besieging and starving out countries, while openly bragging about getting their hands on the resources of target countries, but nah, you are just more moral and civilzed than those savagesfucking rat
>>737505421Anon....
>>737506674tl;drbrowns are worthless
Is that roguelike mode fun
>>737506740you will burn in hell for eternity you psychopath worm
>The patch that just dropped made capybaras herdable>So during the second last emotional cutscene, you hear the ding and convert onekekOverall I enjoyed this campaign, a little heavy on the defense missions but I like those, I'd rank it below Japan but above ChinaGood faction, will be interesting to see how balance passes play out for itHopefully more DLC in the future>>737506839It's just skirmish missions with modifiers/mutations, if you like those then yeahThey're really nothing special but it's something to work away at
>>737505421>>737505309Lmao, did they hire some new people or what changed, because I still remember them covering up all the female gods like Aphrodite and taking their boobs away
>>737506854Shut the fuck up filthy judeochristian
>>737507124I don't know but I want the muscle bound, hunky Jaguar man to tear my ass apart.
>>737507124They just chucked the art duties to an intern who genned up some slop
>>737491430So this dude really was like>the human sacrifices must stop
>>737491010Most myths people recognize are based around place with decent conditions, such as the Mediterranean.Central America was a jungle hellhole with bad conditions and worse wildlife.
>>737508290The Egyptians also practiced human sacrifice
>>737508290Phoenicians did human sacrifice (children) all the time.
>>737505896>clearly well researched posts by someone clearly knowledgeable on the subjectIt's not though. It's just some pseud that always larps this way because there's a bunch of weirdos that get ass pained that a bunch of browns were killing babies out in the jungle until a bunch of less brown people got them to stop.
>>737482016I prefer the mod honestly, the official Tezca doesn't look as cool as the one from the mod
>>737508531Do you have counterexamples to refute his claims
>>737507369based
So, are any of the other DLCs worth getting? I have the option to upgrade to the Premium Edition for like 10 bucks.
>>737507369You know what, anon? Good for you. As long as I get my bewbs, that’s totally fair.
>>737488412This is really neat but why are there no surviving suits of their armor if they were so sturdy?
>>737510120yes
>>737510120If you want more civs to play with, sureI'd say Japan, China and Aztecs are worth 10 bucks at least
>>737482016The micro is clunkiy like really clunky
>>737482291is this image a joke? hollywood grey vs anime drawings? it's the same thing just different renderings to fit the medium
>>737510719For a board that claims to hate libtards you guys sure do love to present your world views just like them. You just boiled down the entire discussion to just the medium used to present the depictions, and not the inaccuracies in the actual details which were already talked about in the thread.
>>737498385Cont:>>737491178see>>737483569>>737491267>>737491438>>737492023Just autistic, not an academic. I do regularly speak with actual academic researchers though>>737496740I mean, it's not really about "their feelings", it's about making sure that you're doing the absolute bare minimum so that the civilization you're depicting even just loosely resembles their actual aesthetics. It's an issue of being correct or not. But even the Spanish had at least a basic amount of respect for Mesoamerican civilizations and their cities, art, architecture etc in spite of their sacrifices, see pic: Many Conquistadors, Catholic Friars, even Italian chroniclers, German artists (including the famous Albrecht Durer) etc of the time etc all thought their achievements were worth learning about.>>737510183I mean, they were reasonably protective (even the Spanish used Mesoamerican armor even decades after the Cortes expedition in campaigns up into the US), but firstly, the Anonymous Conqueror there is probably exaggerating a bit and being somewhat romantic.Secondly, just because they were effective in battle doesn't mean that they were resistant to long term deterioration: They were still made from cotton, feathers, bamboo or wood and feathers for shields and helmets, paper mache and bamboo/wood and feathers for the back banners, etc. These are all materials that decay over time due to being organic. A lot of warsuits and banners were actually shipped out to Europe and put on display, Albrecht Durer saw some in the exhibit he describes in his quote in pic related for example, but it seems that they all fell apart over the centuries or became lost.7/?
>>737510719I genuinely cannot fathom someone being stupid and self assured enough to post this
>>737511094if they were so great, then how did they get absolutely btfo by europeans? it didn't even take that long
>>737511094>>737510183Cont:There are actually 4 surviving shields, see https://x.com/Majora__Z/status/1700546914775609795 , but it's a little unclear on if they were functional shields used in battle or not: The Anonymous Conquerer claims that all the shields shipped to europe were show pieces used in "parades" rather then battle shields, but their actual construction as analyzed in research papers seem to match his quoted description about how battle shields were made, so?Also some people think that the famous Quetzal feather headdress people associate with Moctezuma II or as an "Aztec Crown" despite neither being true, was really a back-banner, though my understanding is that it was originally a headdress and was just improperly flattened due to a botched restoration and that makes it look like similar quetzal feather back banners, when it originally would have been curved like a Plains Indian war bonnet: https://arqueologiamexicana.mx/sites/default/files/styles/arq1200x600/public/olvido_moreno_penacho_2.png?itok=CCqKydw8>>737505421>>737505491>>737505546>>737506685>>737507369What they did with Tezcatlipoca is emblematic of the broader issues with their designs for the gods. Other then the fact he's a jaguar man to tie into Tezcatlipoca's jaguar aspect, Tepeyollotl, he has none of Tezcatlipoca's signature traits like the yellow-black striped face, anahuatl pectoral ornaments, smoking mirrors, one missing or skeletal foot, etc (see pic), nor does he have other ornaments and garments associated with Aztec deities. >>737508290>>737508378>>737508436Central Mexico where the Aztec were at was actually mostly temperate valleys and mountain ranges. It wasn't easy terrain, necessarily, due to those mountains and valleys, but it wasn't inhospitable like the more arid parts of Mesoamerica or the parts that were jungle and wetland.8/?
>>737511368Because the worst thing the Americas had to offer was syphilis, whereas smallpox caused death on apocalyptic scales.
>>737510952>>737511316you didn't address the point. Most stuff is basically the same on both sides, the left stuff is just adjusted for hollywood grimdark. They do the same thing with medieval settings
>>737482067>canon mythology ?
>>737511686it's bait thenkys
>>737482016never heard of this game but pretty ok armpits and cleavage
>>737482067>canon
>>737482291>authentic: mossabait
>>737511465Cont:>>737497887See>>737483569 and >>737488412>>737512531see>>737498385>>737502323>>737510719>>737511686No, the left side legitimately just has entirely different types of garments and architectural styles in most cases. Again, see my comment in >>737498385 comparing the Jaguar Rider unit to actual Aztec clothing and armor: The Moctezuma's outfit in Civ rev, the Danza Azteca preformer etc is the same sort of nonsense outfit without any resembalance to actual Mesoamerican dress. Zero Wolf/the General from Apocalypto and the Shadow of the Tomb Raider are also just unga bunga cavepeople with bone ornaments and no fine clothing, jewelry etc of any kind. The only pic on the left side that is merely a dirtier, more disheveled version of the right side is the Tlaxcala senate screencap from Hernan, where you do have a Central Mexican style palace, the senators have tilmatli cloaks and Tlaxcalteca headbands, etc, it just all looks somebody haphazardly cobbled it all together from trash and scraps. You could maybe charitably argue that it's Hernan trying to convey how desititute the Tlaxcalteca were left from regular Mexica flower wars against it and the alleged blockades they enforced on it (though I've seen researchers dispute said blockades existed), except that A: Tenochtitlan's ground level shots look just as grimey and with just as poorly made looking clothing as the Tlaxcala scennes, and B: Cortes describes Tlaxcala like pic related when he's in the city.There's a difference between stuff being a bit less fancy due to being used/made by commoners or in less rich towns, and stuff looking like somebody pulled it out of a trash can. 9/?
Gods?
>>737512601Be specific.
>>737498385>happened after weI'm not the mossa complainer, but when you say we it implies you're not just a random autist.
>>737512531Why isn't his art authentic?
>>737482291What do you think about the aztec civilization from age of empires 3? And the mayan revolution? Probably out of historical frame
>>737512584Cont:>>737512830I say "we" because I don't work on the collages alone, the account I link in >>737511465 also helps with a lot of them, for example, alongside a few other people. >>737501779It's certainly an acquired taste, but in a vacuum the stuffy suits and poofy hats Napoleonic armies had, the giant crested helmets Samurai used, etc all look silly too. If somebody REALLY thinks the Tlahuiztli warsuits look too ridiculous to take seriously, then I think there are ways to make them a little more visually interesting and less goofy while still retaining authentic elementsFor example, you could have a waistband over the warsuit and/or the loincloth wrapped over it rather then chorded under it (and merely peaking out the front) to break up the onsie look more, and put necklaces, armbands, legbands, braclets, etc over the warsuit for similar reasons. I'd even accept putting the Ichcahuipilli gambeson vest/tunic over the warsuit rather then worn under it, like what the bottom right soldier in pic relatedThe default Ocelotl outfit in For Honor kinda does this, minus the gambeson vest, the problem is that the jewelry they used looks low-tech for no reason (I saw the developers/artists in a vidoc actually say this was intentional because the Aztec "loved raw materials" or something, which isn't accurate) and not in the style of actual Central Mexican jewelry (it also makes the classic mistake of having some sort of wierd Egyptian collar garment which the mesoamericans didn't really wear/use outside of maybe niche depictions, pop culture giving the Mesoamericans this is mostly people misinterpreting quechquemitl for women or depictions of multiple linked necklaces) and rather then having a proper full body warsuit and helmet, he has a raw jaguar pelt just stretched around his body and limbs and head with it leaving large parts of his torso and limbs uncovered. >>737505462>>737489564I'm not Hispanic or indigenous, just a nerd10/?
>>737482016I don't know if people want to talk about rts now a days.Im waiting for my pay check to buy the expansion
>>737511880>never heard of this game
ok but how is the aom remake or whatever
>>737515870cont:>>7375113681. The lack of draft animals and difficult terrain made it so the region's politics largely relied on hands-off relationships rather then capitals directly governing their subjects, which in turn encouraged states to opportunistically ally with or pledging themselves to other states to take out their rivals and existing capitals as a method of gaining or retaining political status. This system meant that when the Conquistadors showed up, local city-states, kingdoms, etc generally worked with the Spanish to topple competing states or their own capitals, hoping to achieve a position of influence within the Spanish's empire, rather then uniting to resist the Spanish or trying to take the position of highest authority themselvesThat is also why Cortes generally got allies, not Aztec rule being resented. For more info on that see see pastebin.com/h18M28BR and arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/640670498/#640679139 and desuarchive.org/his/thread/16781148/#16781964 and desuarchive.org/int/thread/220614413/#220624574 and desuarchive.org/k/thread/64935126/#64961571 and desuarchive.org/k/thread/64434397/#64469714 + the other posts I link to within that /k/ post and the two posts of mine directly preceding that one TL:DR for this point, local states allied with the Spanish against their rivals and capitals rather then uniting and fighting back, and this meant that in many cases the Spanish were less then 10%, 5%, or even 1% of the combined armies they were participating in. 2. Diseases. The initial smallpox epidemic by many estimates killed around a third of the entire region (which also destabilized local politics and made it so states were in even less a position to try to strain themselves trying to establish themselves as top powers capitals and made them more likely to settle for aiding the Spanish and accepting a secondary position, in relation to the above point), and by 1600, 90% to 95% of the indigenous population was dead. 11/?
>>737516093It's good
>>737516117>>737511368Cont:For reference, Mexico's, Guatemala's etc population didn't recover to contact period levels till the 20th centuy, according to many estimates. I can't vouch for the exact dataset used here, the population density towards the northern part of Central Mexico seems a little high to me, but compare the 1500 map in >>>/his/18433800 to everything after it3. The tech gap. The Mesoamericans had cities that rivaled contemporary European ones, but their tools, weapons, most of their engineering aside from waterworks etc was more comparable to Bronze age civilizations, or even arguably less developed. The Conquistadors were not unstoppable supermen in battle against the Mesoamericans, especially since many didn't have much if any armor due to needing to buy their own equipment, and most Conquistadors who participated in say the Cortes expedition did end up dying of their wounds, but even a critical examination at the numbers Spanish accounts give would still suggest the Conquistadors were able to kill many Mesoamerican soldiers or every Conquistador that died. I'd point to Cannons and cavalry as particular advantages because these had no true analogs in Mesoamerican warfare and synergized with larger allied Mesoamerican infantry who could exploit the holes they blew through Mesoamerican battle lines.4. It actually did take a long time, in some circumstances. A lot of Central Mexico nominally ceded to Spanish authority pretty quickly, within a decade (but even then, many states didn't actually start paying taxes for decades, some having to be forced to), but some Maya regions stayed unconquered for centuries, the last Maya kingdoms only fell in 1697, like 180 years after Cortes. Western Mexico had major rebellions going into the 1550s, Spanish kinda just gave up trying to conquer the nomadic tribes of Northern Mexico and pretty much colonized around them and slowly assimilated/converted them culturally instead, etc. 12/?
>>737482016ston age fags ruining my game.
>>737516217>>737511368cont:And again, throughout these conquests, the Spanish were very reliant on local Mesoamerican armies who had pledged themselves as allies or subjects to the Spanish. Even campaigns up into the United States like the Coronado expedition were mostly Mesoamerican troops with even the Spanish relying on Mesoamerican equipment (see pic), and some Mesoamerican forces were in expeditions down against the Inca in South America and even in campaigns in the Philipines in Asia. >>737514590Haven't given AoE3 stuff a close look, but what I've seen seems decent but still flawed. Not nearly as bad as what AoM is doing but I still wouldn't quite call it good. >>737505103>>737505329The Aztec had plenty of gods tied with mundane things like corn/maize, hearths, irrigation etc. If the Devs mostly have stuff associated with negative attributes then that's on the selection they picked, but I'm not even sure that's accurate. To run through the gods they picked (using my descriptions, not theirs):>Quetzalcoatl, god of learning, high culture/the arts, and wind>Tezcatlipoca, god of fate's fickle nature, sorcery, jaguars>Huitzilopotchli, god of war and with solar attributes>Tlaloc, god of rain, lightning, and agricultural fertility>Mictlantecuhtli, God of death and the underworld>Huehuecoyotl, trickster god of parties, dancing, etc>Patecatl, I'm gonna be real and say I'm not too familiar with him, but he seems to be a pulque god associated with festivities like Huehuecoyotl. One of the few designs AoM did where his regalia actually looks like Aztec deity regalia, too, so nice work I guess>Coatlicue, Mother earth goddess>Itzpapalotl, destructive war goddess and queen of the Tzitzimime demonesses>Coyolxauhqui, Moon goddess>Malinalxochitl, apparently a goddess of venomous animals and pests, though I'm more familiar with her as a sorceress within the myths around how Tenochtitlan was founded>Xolotl, God of dogs, diseases, and deformities13/?
>>737516194thx
The Aztecs had giant stone crab robots but none of you are ready for that forbidden knowledge
>>737516117Damn. So racism would have unironically saved them
>>737516508what did they do
>>737491010The mother root of most of pre-colonial mesoamerican culture is from the Olmecs, may be the reason or it evolved/directly from them just like how Europe emulates Rome.The Aztecs were the ones that fully leaned on it and created a tributary empire to revolve around it. There is very undisputable evidence the Olmecs practiced mass bloodletting rituals but virtually none for direct sacrifice nor did they portray it in their art. There was confusion to early missionaries as to why or how circumcision reached the Americas far away from Jewish contact but it was fully misunderstood, it was actually from penile bloodletting.>they hewed at the superfluous part of the penis, leaving the flesh in the form of two floppy ears.
>>737517884shoot lasers and do a big slam
>>737516319>>737505103>>737505329Cont:I'd say it's about 50/50 with positive and negative deities, and even then the deities with "negative" attributes were still worshiped for postives reasons, ex Xolotl was worshipped IIRC fo relief from ailments, even the Tzitzimime were protectors of women in childbirth, etc>>737502672See>>737511094 , not even the Spanish thought they were savages>>737490585>>737490193>>737489645I mean, sacrifice existed for sure as a real practice, but it is also exaggerated in pop culture. For example, you'll frequently see random online sources and even otherwise reputable history books and papers (not made by Mesoamericanists) which claim the Mexica of the Aztec capital sacrificed 20,000 or 250,000 a year, when those figures (from Zumarraga, and Harner modifying Borah and Cook's estimates) have shit methodologies and were mean to be a total of sacrifices across ALL of Mesoamerica aside from the Maya areas, not just for the MexicaPop culture also makes it out to be overly sadistic or mindless, with people randomly being dragged away or people being demanded as taxes for it to be cheered at like it's bloodsports, when they were formal religious ceremonies with procedures, rules, rituals, involved, as >>737491217 tries to convey (tho AFAIK child sacrifices to Tlaloc WERE tortured, see further down): The primary deity impersonator sacrifice to Tezcatlipoca in the Toxcatl festival for example had to meet multiple pages worth of specific physical and mental requirements to be selected for the role, and had to live as the god for months prior to their sacrifice, going around preforming duties and tasks such as pilgrimages to specific shrines and ritually marrying other deity impersonators. See pic for a description of this14/?
>737519994>>737490585>>737490193>>737489645cont:Sacrificed enemy soldiers also allegedly lived with their captor's family in the weeks, months, or years leading up to their sacrifice and were mourned as family after their death. Obviously some of this is probably romanticized, but there's also archeological evidence backing some of it up (EX: the Huey Tzompantli skull rack excavations show foreign victims lived in Tenochtitlan for extended periods of time before they died and were in disproportionately good health) Of course, mind you, there were also certain sacrifice ceremonies that were outright torturous: Child sacrifices to Tlaloc allegedly had their nails pulled out and were killed slowly to cause them to cry more, which was thought to bring more rain. As >>737490791 says, sacrifices to Xiuhtecuhtli or Huehueteotl (I'm not clear which, or if it was both) during the Huey miccaihuitl aka the Xocotlhuetzi festival, sacrifices were burned alive burned in giant fires and then had their heart extracted (though I don't know where they're getting the "meat hook" part). And "generic" sacrifices who weren't deity impersonators probably also weren't treated with as much honor or care. So it's complicated. It could get pretty brutal and gnarly, but it wasn't always so, it was still a formal thing with steps and rules, and it didn't occur at the same numbers pop culture often depicts.>737491553>737492894>>737496907>>737498426>>737494551>>737500220>>737501646My understanding is that the injuries and damage the child remains at Templo Mayor Offering 48 had was from preexisting conditions the victims had that likely played a role in their selection as sacrifices to begin with, not that the injuries were sustained during the process of them being sacrificed. See pic. That being said I haven't read the excavation reports or anything so maybe that's wrong.15/16
>>737520107>>737496907>>737498426>>737494551>>737500220>>737501646>>737491553>>737492894cont:It is perhaps worth noting here that I did a deep dive on Tlaloc sacrifice selection a few months back, and there are some sources which assert that some people (it wasn't clear if it was parents or officials of the state, secondary sources interpreted it as the former but the primary sources seemed ambigious) might intentionally stunt the growth or induce hunchback conditions or other physical ailments as part of producing the sorts of children particularly associated with Tlaloc. Some secondary sources interpreted this as parents doing this so they could then be adopted into the human zoo which had people with such deformities where they could receive state care and elevated social status, but it could have just been to get extra Tlaloc-associated children for sacrifices, and I guess it's possible the injuries could have been received from that?>>737497564>>737497756Apocalypto is trash, see my posts here:archived.moe/tv/thread/204623679/#204637541desuarchive.org/co/thread/152289244/#152310774archived.moe/lit/thread/25015193/#25041194https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/co/image/1775/83/1775835028886.jpg and https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/co/image/1775/84/1775840451941.jpg>inb4 decadent Maya city states and people looked and behaved exactly like they did in their primeThe posts I link already get into this, but even as a depiction of a city in a state of decline and collapse, what we see in Apocalypto is way over the top in terms of the amount of sadism, suffering, and how dirty and grimey everything is.16/16 for now, unless people have more questions
>>737508290haha right cartels are barbaric death cults because of muh jungles and socioeconomic factors not because browns are subhuman
>Everyone south of the equator is batshit insane, murderous, retarded, and backwards except for new zealand and for the most part Australia but why?
>>737520573The most cartel heavy and violent parts of mexico are the parts with the least amount of indigenous ancestry, though
>>737519994>Pop culture also makes it out to be overly sadistic or mindless>tho AFAIK child sacrifices to Tlaloc WERE tortured
>>737511465Why is nobody this autistically nitpicky with the other civsAre you the same guy flooding the subreddit with accusations that the devs are trying to subconsciously make mexicans look bad?
>>737520670Yes, anon, because I try to be nuanced and give you the full picture of the broad range of practices and aspects of sacrifice, rather then giving you a dumbed down and reductive version that paints it as as being one end of the extreme or the other.
>>737520789Yeah i'm not the guy you were arguing with i just thought that was amusing.
Holy shit the based maya historian is back, welcome back bro always a pleasure to see your blogposts.
I don't care how accurate it is. Japan sure wasn't, and egyptians and atlanteans always had a bunch pop culture shit from The Mummy and Xena the Warrior Princess.Just talk about the game.
>>737520768Firstly, no, I am not that guy. I'm not Mexican and I don't really know much about or bluntly care much about modern Mexico, outside of how INAH handles their excavations and research and how archeological sites are maintained and shit like that. Secondly, my perspective as I argue in >>737498385 is that the Aztec are being handled particularly badly, worse then all the other civs in the game. So I don't think I'm actually being nitpicky, I think the devs (sadly, I really don't like being this critical towards artists and creatives, especially around the time of release) really just did that poor a job.
>>737520923Shit, I should have waited before posting >>737520969As I say there, see >>737498385. The Greek, Japanese etc units still use actual elements of their historical armor and fashion, at least in a broad/loose sense. Most of the Aztec units and gods do not.
>>737520923It doesn't matter where you go - whether it's the AoE forums, the subreddit, the official Discord, 4chan...The eternal fate of Age of Mythology is that nobody talks about the fucking game.
If you compare AoM to RTS in general I'm sure it's doing fine. If you're asking why it isn't the GOAT aoe2, that's hard to say. Since I was a kid, I've ben obsessed with the game and have come back countless times. I think a lot of people are like me. I can't say the difference, I do play both. But aoe2 just brings you back over and over.
>>737515870>I don't work on the collages aloneshilling a group/twitter account with cool mexican lore is a new one, lol
>>737520923>Just talk about the game.sir, this is a /v/ thread
>>737521431It's the opposite for me
>>737521063they really fumbled the bag by hyping a full rework only to keep the shitty AO3 engine pathing, responsiveness, unit collision, all fucking ass. since the game is mechanically crippled, a real scene can't grow around it and so...nobody talks about fucking the game
>>737520923i wonder if it's too hard to mod the original low poly models into the game
>>737521841The pathing and command issues are what stop me playing online.I can take losses and would love to get better at the game but I get tilted as fuck when units ignore commands or get stuck on geometry or Villagers just abandon a task halfway through.Can't fucking stand it and it gets worse every patch, not better.
>>737482016i like boobies
>>737504491I assure you even the most brutal mafia hits are generally not in the habit of ripping their enemies faces off.
>>737523197>the most brutal mafia hitsdepends if it's business or if it's personal
>>737523197nah, they just hire a band of crackheads to rape you to death much more humane
>>737506078Just because we won doesn’t mean it’s our fault the losers started skinning each other. Even if we spent every day of the past 50 years orchestrating their financial destitution like you think we did that’s a nation wide level of cruelty that can’t be taught.
>>737520923would you tie her life to a shrine?
>>737523347First of all, yeah, much more humane. Second of all the blackest Baltimore nigger will still probably just shoot you in the head. Mexican criminals operate at a level of casual cruelty that no one in America has ever routinely matched. Only balkans can compete.
>>737482016more like pitecanyway I bumbled around the an older version with the expansions on steam awhile back when the remaster was coming out. Idk why but I kinda just lost interest a few levels after the underworld bit.
>fucker's yapping about the lack of fidelity witht he source material when he should just be glad to be mentioned at all
>>737524481Again, it's not an issue of the exact fidelity being off, it's an issue of the fundamental, most basic aspects of Mesoamerican aesthetics not being present in favor of something entirely different with essentially zero resemblance to anything the Aztec actually wore or usedWith how they handled it, it's no better then having nothing.
>>737490124>rabbit holeIt's literally just basic historical research instead of basing your entire understanding based off shitty movies.
>>737524556> it's no better then having nothingnu uh i think it's cool and that's what matters
>>737524825>erm actually, you plebeian, you’re not enjoying yourself or learning something interestingDon’t be a faggot. It’s an unpopular, dead culture. Common knowledge on any of it isn’t basic anything.
>>737525204>deadThere's like 16 million people who are still ethnically Mesoamerican around. Hell there are specific Maya languages that have more speakers then every indigenous language in the US and Canada put together
>>737482016Is that AI? What's with those hands floating by her neck? She's supposed to have a necklace of human body parts not whatever the fuck that is.
>>737525671It's made by microjeet so what do you think? They probably prompted the whole game out of copilot
>>737496907>uh actually the child sacrifices were ok because the kids were already sick!Mhmm.
>>737525671That's their take on her necklace of human hands and hearts.If you think that's bad you haven't seen anything yet, Coatlicue is one of the less-terrible designs they did
>>737525204Hey retard I said “basic historical research” not “common knowledge”, those are two different things. I’m glad you’re having fun learning though.
>>737525764>That's their takeI'm tired of 2026. People defending their AI slop as a "creative decision". The world is so shit
>>737520923>Just talk about the gameI hate Japan's bushido mechanic. It's unfair that they get free upgrades just by fighting.
no default military auto-queue in ranked?no purchase
Mesoanon here, I am probably gonna pass out soon, last call for questions if people have any
>>737527324What is the inspiration for the Aztec titan in the game?
>>737526203Prove it's AI or stfu
>>737527324Are you and your folks planning to do a collage for this DLC?At the end of the day, it's got tons of shit in it and largely wrong (besides some units and the villagers and porters) so it's pretty fertile ground for that sort of thing.On the other hand, it tends to be wrong in fairly common ways so it's not adding too much new into these.
>>737527324Chivas or America?
>>737527457This thing?Probably Cipactli, the primordial crocodile/shark/sawfish monster whose corpse was broken up to create the world. The mouths on the joints is one trait associated Tlatecuhtli (as well as other destructive goddesses, such as the Tzitzimime, Coatlicue, etc), the primordial earth god/goddess, Cipactli being an aspect of Tlatecuhtli, hence the choice of having the mouths on the joints in the in game model, though ironically there's a seperate unit/ability for the earth monster in game that the Aztec have.>>737527745I mean, it's generally easier to do collages and infographs with things that are well researched, because then we can point arrows to specific parts of accurate designs and explain what each well researched element is drawing from. When something is handled poorly there's not much to say other then "here's what it should look like instead"Maybe we could do a big infograph in the same vein as the one we did for Apocalypto, but I'm not sure it's worth it (Apocalypto is widely cited by people as representing actual Mesoamerican society so breaking down why it isn't accurate is important, I doubt AoM is going to influence people's perception of Mesoamerica on a mass scale, even if it's certainly not helping), and I alluded to this earlier, but me and Majora kinda feel bad about dunking on it we do realize Mesoamerica getting this sort of attention in a big commercial context is rare and we don't want to be shitting on artists who are still likely active online with portfolios and shit.But the more we see the more unacceptable I really think some of the choices are, so maybe we'll work on something or he'll tweet something out. One of us has already been posting on reddit though: https://www.reddit.com/r/AgeofMythology/comments/1shvw0c/eagle_warrior/ofg6wry/>>737528094I don't know what this means
>>737527324Well I hope for your sakes the dev's come out and post why they went in this direction for the Aztec's, like a couple of the designers did for the Chinese, Japanese & Demeter's myth units.Though, question, have you actually played or plan to play the Aztec campaign?Just curious as to what you think of it?As a complete normal fag with the absolute barebones in knowledge, I did catch a couple of refences like Tezcatlipoca chopping off a characters foot as an offering to summon Cipactli or Huitzilopochtli ripping out Copil heart for the Tenochtitlan.
>>737528409No, to be honest i'm not an RTS guy. I would have given it a shot had they done a better job though> I did catch a couple of refences like Tezcatlipoca chopping off a characters foot as an offering to summon Cipactli or Huitzilopochtli ripping out Copil heart for the Tenochtitlan.I have heard that the abilities tie into the symbolism of the gods more then their actual designs do, so if so that checks out, but I'm not sure I have the time or interest to really investigate how true that all is
>>737528976you say that, but i doubt it.
>>737525671>>737490183it part of the design
>>737531326That's a necklace and your statue doesn't even have a human head.
>>737531734you had to pick between a snake block or a sexy woman with snake dicks.the point is, it was deliberate
>>737482016I off-handedly mentioned the Aztecs in conversation with my girlfriend, and she had no idea what I was talking about. "Aztecs? What Aztecs? What is an Aztec?" Turns out, she had never even heard of the word Aztec. I was profoundly confused at how that's possible. It's like someone saying they've never heard of the Romans or something.
>>737532581Aztec is the most "pop culture term", and even then some people wont know them.Now imagien that some people want to push that people should use the more accurate mexica name.
>>737532673>mexicaMexicax, you mean.
>>737532673>>737532581"Mexica" is not simply the correct term for Aztec, it's sadly lot more complicated then thatI'm too tired to give a full explanation, but in short >taken literally, “Azteca” in Nahuatl means “person/people from Aztlan”, a legendary homeland many Nahuatl speaking (and even some other non Nahua groups) claimed to have migrated away from. The Mexica (the Nahua group in the city of Tenochtitlan) and other groups refer to their migratory ancestors as Aztecs before they adopted more specific ethnic labels. >Many modern sources however use “Aztec” to mean the Mexica specifically, while others use “Aztecs” to refer to Nahua groups and states generally: So not just the Mexica and Tenochtitlan, but also the Tepaneca, Acolhua, Tlaxcalteca, Chalca, Xochimilca, Colhua, and other Nahuas. >Others sources use “Aztec” to refer to the "Aztec Empire", which was a political network headed by the triple alliance of the cities of Tenochtitlan, Texcoco, and Tlacopan, (Some sources also variously use "Aztec" to refer to just that triple alliance and not the whole empire)>Further confusing things is the fact that not all states within the empire were Nahua (some were Otomi, Totonac, Huastec, Zapotec, Mixtec, Maya etc), and not all Nahua states in Mesoamerica were within that empire (Tlaxcala was Nahua, but never conquered into it, for example). >Additionally, there were also ethnic labels to refer to groups on a per city basis, so say there are the Tenochca Mexica in Tenochtitlan, vs the Tlatelolca Mexica in Tlatelolco.Basically there's zero fucking consistency and modern sources use "Aztec" to refer to any or all of those linguistic, political, and ethnic groupings.
>>737527324Why the bloody sacrifices?
>>737482016Nah, fuck this. I'm still waiting for my Age of Empires 3 DLCs.
>>737534195...how do we tell him?
>>737534193Theologically, many Mesoamerican creation myths involved the cyclical destruction and then creation of the world and humanity, with the gods having to sacrifice themselves, offering their blood, or otherwise undergoing hardships to do that act of creation. Cyclical relationships and dualism were also a big thing in Mesoamerican thought (or at least Aztec thought for the latter point), and so the cyclical relationship between life and death and their dualism was a big deal Sacrifice was repaying a blood debt to the gods for them having created humanity, the world, or operating cosmic cycles, ensuring the continued existence and operation of the cosmos, and it tied into that broader concept of life/creation emerging from death/destruction (for example, bones were a symbol of fertility and regeneration in Mesoamerican art) Keep in mind this is an extremely dumbed down and synthesized explanation that blends together a few different ideas and concepts, but I haven't slept in like 30 hours and this is probably the most intuitive way to explain it that's not me talking about it for 10 posts straight. Also, at least for the Aztec, it was a way to flex military power, since the largest proportion of victims were captured enemy soldiers, so the more sacrifices you were doing, the more it proved your military prowess and ability to collect captives in wars.
>>737482016Well damn I guess they finally earned my money, honest work should be rewarded
>>737534486why are you on a 30+ hour bender anyway?
>>737531734>>737531326they are the same
Its over, get drunk with the Wabbitl
>>737535570Crazy how much more authentic this design is to almost everything else in the expansion
>>737535570The design is nice but his face is so friendly and handsome looking it feels like she should be in a commercial instead.
>>737535238remember when people were claiming Retold was "censored"?
>>737536527It took a while before adding blood back into the game
>>737535238pg 13 designmeanwhile: a superior game
>>737535238why is she white though
>>737508531Do you genuinely think that the conquistadors gave a shit about saving babies? All that they cared for was gold-I mean God and their own power so much so that they practically became cartel warlords the following decades afterwards. Clergy that accompanied them may have cared, Cortez and the others? Probably not.
>>737523708Mexico is a part of America geographically, dumbass.
>>737482291as a beaner this pic is unfair as fuck. right is just facebook profile pic and left is just pic you were tagged in. the empire was collapsing on its own and the pics on the right are depicting it at its peak
>>737482016can i have sex with her ingame?
>>737539984>the empire was collapsing on its owngo on
>>737540234sorry i meant on its own on the left. if you meant howso, over foresting lead to landslides which lead to crop famines.
>>737488875Very interesting, anon, thanks for sharing.
>>737540356ripI thought aztecs had food forests but my memory is wrong it was amazonian
so let me get this straight, every single fucking original god has been remade with AI trash that got further censored and they turned Gaia into GROOT, but now they turned some literal who Aztec goddess into a big (fake) titty supermodel. What the fuck is going on behind he scenes?
>>737482016>expecting video game discussion to happen on /v/This place plays nothing but gacha and rollslop and the fastest threads are politics and twitter dogshit
>>737536487He is selling you agave
Difference is that mesoamericans sacrificed kids thinking it will save humanity, while today kids are sacrificed to make jews happy and that is definitely not saving humanity.
>>737482016the studio fucked up bad with the 4th gods and china, but japan and aztecs seem cool
>>737545160Outside needing that Premium Edition crap, what's wrong with Freyr?
Hindu pantheon when?
>>737546417As fun as I think that would be, you'd never be able to discuss AoM online ever again
>>737547219Come to think of it, there aren't that many unique civs left to add. I would love to see Celts or Slavs, but they would just be a rehash of the Norse for all intents abd purposes.
>>737535570
>>737547219nobody is discussing the game in this thread right now, nothing would change
>>737547316For me it'd be Sumerians or PersiansAbrahamic civs would be a wild swing but it'll never happen, though maybe we could get Zoroastrians for a "monotheist" pickMaybe you could stretch things to get a North American native or African pantheon but they'd probably just end up lameI think they could put out at least three more pantheons without overdoing it, compared to AoE2 you don't really need every single mythology in this game>>737547451Whatever you think of this thread, it'd get infinitely worsePlenty of jeet and saarposting in threads that have nothing to do with India as it is
>>737547695>Plenty of jeet and saarposting in threads that have nothing to do with India as it ismeh, i just think the Hindu pantheon is cool, we got the Asura already in game for the japanese for whatever reason but there's so many myth units left they could addstill, at least dominions is always there for my mythologycal fix
>>737546326there's a fundamental design issue with adding fourth major gods. civs were designed using a triangular systems: eco, rush, defense; infantry, archers, cav; humans, heroes, and myth units. each of the three major gods got two of the minor gods in each age, so the pantheons feel well-connected throughout. it's a beautiful design that adding fourth major gods is completely incompatible with, so you have freyr and freyr's minor god path for freyr that you essentially must pick or else you're not really playing him, so he doesn't really feel properly connected to the norse pantheon. i think that the chill fort GP and his major god bonuses are all really neat, but they should have been part of a pantheon properly, and we have a serious side effect that loki can now randomly spawn stone giants, myth units that are literally only balanced in the context of freyr having them. it's just inelegant.
>>737540064I had sex with a brazilian chick that had such tits. It's just no fun, like really man, plastic tits are the absolute worst. Complete mood killer. They don't feel good, they don't look good once you get them out of the clothes. You can't even put your face between them, it's just hard like a board. Don't even get me started on titfucking. I hate fake tits so much.
>>737546417Let's remember that there is an organization to haras you if you get Hindu wrong.So imagine that anon complaining for it not being perfect or just taking liberties, but they can sue you as well
>>737538787She has a giant ball of light above her head, so that is why she looks that way.Also, when you see something weird, the answer is, they are a god, they are beyond our understanding
>ctrl-f pits>two results/v/ is truly dead
>>737497369>minor godOut of 10!
>>737543021could just be that the art directors or some of the team in charge was not the same.also you say that like they made everybody in the original ugly or something.Also maybe you make her fake tits supermodel to represent how toxic she is?
>>737553787you are a fan of pits lords?
>>737554857>posts refunded model
>>737546417Remember hearing that this may be the last pantheon added, and it could be the end of the content unless it sells really really well....I would like they at least give all civs 4 gods so everything is on the same level. some pantheons having 4 and others having 3 mayor gods looks incomplete.
>>737547316>there aren't that many unique civs left to addYou know he's coming. They have always added africans to AoE games before more relevant civs, so he's naturally next in line.Mayans, Incas, Romans, Celts and Slavs are too culturally or aesthetically similar to civs already in the game. Mesopotamians, Persians, Canaanites got their most famous myth units stolen by others. Indians bitch about their religion in games like this.It's Alberto's turn and reddit will agree!
>>737555259I hope we at least get a fourth EgyptianI've never cared for Atlanteans all that much but getting a fourth for them too would be alright
>>737555583you could not really just label it as "afrika", so what would be the name of the pantheon, is there any "pantheon" that can have enough content to fill all the gods slots.
>>737556295Yoruba seems to be everyone's go to, I'm not familiar with it but there's some neat aestheticsI'm always happy for more myth units and god powers but the actual human units and whatnot, that's what I'd be skeptical aboutAt the very least I'd feel more bad for MesoamericAnon if they went full authentic for Yoruba
>>737489645>Its their religious ceremonies that were so bafflingly savage and sadistic>Closest thing for comparison would be Rome which was also relatively civilized but had their own ritual funeral rite sacrifices in forms of Gladiator battlescome the fuck oneuropeans were massacring and raping each other in the literal ten millions for the pitiest religios shit like not wanting wine in church ceremonies even just a few decades ago they were genociding religious minorities in the millions for made up pseudo-scientific/historic beliefs that many retards here still believe in to this very daythey were also wiping out entire continents worth of natives, believing the diseases they knew they were spreading were some divine power given to them and further justificaiton to genocide, replace or enslave the remaining survivorsnoone in the entire world has such a ridiculously high psychopathic track record that european christians had, but they believe these things don't define them because christianity is ultimately teaching caring and love on paper, but the same shit can be said about mezos, they were genuinely believing they are saving other people/society, they didn't worship evil gods but gods who sacraficed themselves to save humans, the sacrafice victims were impersonating these gods who sacraficed themselves to save others in their eyes, it's utterly retarded shit but so was everything that europeans did that caused hundred times of more kiling and destruction
I'm actually replaying it because of this thread. I kinda forgot a lot about the game, but it's fun. I'm honestly surprised most of my mods still work.
>>737558974is "die die" not redundant phrasing??
>>737559185You can say it, but it sounds a bit clunky. In the sentence “Töten Sie die Wachen, die die Arbeiter beim Goldbau bewachen,” the two dies do different jobs. The first die means “who/that” and refers back to “the guards.” The second die means “the” and belongs to “the workers.” So "die die Arbeiter bewachen" means “who guard the workers.” The full sentence means: “Kill the guards who are guarding the workers at the gold mine.” German is fun.
https://www.ageofempires.com/news/age-of-mythology-retold-update-19-10938/emergency patchesTlaloc buff, volcano huge nerf (deserved)
>>737538787>why is she white thoughPoor anon isn't aware that some of the worlds most prolific white supremacists are in central and south AmericaFucking newfag
>>737560037Definitely deserved. I like Retold and I don't want to shit on the devs, but I really wonder how some of this balancing makes it to release. I just had to use Volcano once to notice it's absurdly broken, and since they patched it within a day I'm going to say it must've been obvious for them as well.
>>737560958A quarter of the white supremacists in the US are the brownest Mexicans you'll see around.
>>737505851hóla
>>737554753She is supposed to have big (saggy) tits because she's a milf who gave birth to most of the gods of the pantheon
>>737490585Not all cultures and ethnicities are equal. Browns can thank the white man for giving them everything they hold dear, including their life that was spared when we conquered the world and ended barbarism.Oh wait that is why they all hate us. Eternal envy and humiliation.
>>737561137my theory is that they knew the volcano was broken crazy fun.But they wanted to show some crazy explosive cool power for before release.after all, it was the first thing every video I saw about the aztecs decided to show up.But once it was released, they knew they couldnt hold the farce for much longer.
>>737539984>>737540234>>737540356No, see >>737512584 and >>737488875. The left side is not just showing a more rural or collapsed version of the right side, for the most part the left side shows entirely different architectural, artistic, and fashion designs that actual Mesoamerican societies never used. The only pic on the left side which is just worse looking version of the right side is the Tlaxcala senate screenshot from Hernan, and even there, it is shown as way too dirty, with the clothing, architecture etc in too poor a state of disrepair etc, since Cortes himself describes it in great conditionI'm not sure what "empire" you think was "collapsing on its own", but if you mean the Aztec Empire, it was not: The Aztec Empire was at it's peak when the Spanish arrived, see arch.b4k.co/v/thread/473816781/#473824067 and here desuarchive.org/his/thread/7312549/#7317474 too, maybe https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14673308/#14686080 and https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/15349069/#15349792>>737553583I'm not complaining that it's not perfect or that it's taking some liberties, taking artistic liberties that play off of their actual aesthetics and motifs or symbolism is fine.The issue is that it's not even getting the basic, bare minimum details right, and that the designs they went with have almost nothing in common with anything the Aztec looked like or wore or used. I'm not asking that they jump over a 6 foot high wall, I want them to take a step over a half a foot tall ledge, instead they have their foot stuck 3 feet undeground.Again, see >>737498385
>>737484121Kinda but barely>Loads of new female units>Kamos' daughter is the new pirate leader>Aztec villagers just disappear instead of actually getting sacrificed Helps that it is made by chinks ig
>>737561137it's very obvious it's lead by people with very little experience
>>737560037Aztec are absurdly broken. They need to nerf almost all their myth units.
>>737568553I think the same happend with japanese, it will eventually happen.
