>mashy combat>low skill ceiling>little complexity with combat potential>very liberal iframes on R2 dodge>bullet time is very long>can spam healing items with the hot menu>normal mode is too easy>game is easily broken by understanding weapon damage valuesso how did character action game fans even enjoy this game to begin with?
It's fun.
>>737483485Ass and titties
>>737483485They don't.It's enjoyed by pseudfags who never read a book and think the story is deep and people who jerk off to 2b.
It's pretty shit gameplay wise. I kept waiting for the huge amazing twist that would get me super engaged but there's nothing.
So I have a rubik's cube sitting on my desk. Every couple of days I see it sitting there so I pick it up, scramble it, and solve it again. I know how it works. I know what I need to do to solve it. It's not difficult. I know what the end result will be. There is no puzzle to me, no secrets to discover, no surprises to find, no people around to impress, no point made in solving it. I solve it, then scramble it again, then solve it again. There is something inherently satisfying about learning something then applying that knowledge. Letting muscle memory do its thing, finding the next part, applying the know-how, and doing it again.>so how did character action game fans even enjoy this game to begin with?The same reason I solve the cube.
Stellar blade is better
>>737483749bookfags like you are even more insufferable. I liked the gameplay, the story, the music and the characters and there is nothing your seething can do about it.
>>737483514FPBP
>>737483485>low skill ceilingmade just for you and other retards like you
Bump
>>737483485Nier: Automata belongs in the hall of fame alongside with a number of other greatest games of all times. It was a huge, positive surprise, that such a magnificent, engaging and soul-filled game could still be made this day and age. By an "AAA" studio at that.The gameplay is extremely fun and varied, and the game uses it to drive through its themes and ideas - which is exactly what this art-format requires.The story was curious and thought-provoking, though its the themes and message that were the most striking.Visual-design was gorgeous, and OST is drop-dead beautiful.For fans of the DrakeNier series, this game was a treat.
>>737483749But I like it and I read.
>>737486869It would, if original Nier(/Replicant) didn't exist.Automata feels like an expac for Replicant.
>>737483514fpbp truth nuke/thread
Once I finished the 2B part of the game and the game wanted me to play as the little faggot and kill the same enemies again I lost interest, got a good 10 hours out of it however and some decent faps to 2B's asscrack
>>737484003I saw the twist coming from miles away so it didn't interest me, wow the little machinemen are actually more human than the sexy androids... who gives a fuck?
>>737483485I would love all the people who say this is too easy to play on the built-in difficulty option that makes everything a one hit kill.
>>737490452Sounds like a really cheap way to amp up the difficulty
>>737483514This. They wanted to make a fun game not Dark souls 20
>>737483749It just has cool atmosphere and genuinely fantastic music. It's worth playing for that alone. It doesn't have to be the pinnacle of story telling or nuthin.
>>737490537>guy who never played shmups
>>737483485thank you 2b
>>737490879Correct fuck that shit
>>737483485don't forget>RPG mechanic are completely incompatible with the action mechanics>finisher mechanic is glitched and literally stops working early on because its HP threshold was programmed by a dumb monkey nigger>activating a finisher results in the enemy instantly exploding while your character flails around in the air attacking nothing.>do 2 side quests and balance falls apart>you can't even combo shit because it starts dying in 2 hits.>any attempt to explore combat more only results in you become even more overpowered, thus making enemies die too quickly to combo.
>>737490537It is, but making a game that can be played without taking any damage at all is a lot of work by itself.
Yeah. It's pretty wack. After a while the charm of 2b's cheeks, the funny robots, the soundtrack, and the smooth animations had already stopped working on me and I was left with bland, repetitive combat/gameplay. Boss battles were pretty memorable though.
>>737483485I didn't, the first run was mediocre and then I dropped the game in the second one with 9S because it was the same shit but with a character who has a worse moveset.
>>737483485>low skill ceilingCompared to what?
>>737491920Any action game not made by monkeys.
>>737492057Still waiting for you to actually provide an example
>>737483749What's a couple of good books?
I went through a long ass boss sequence into cutscenes etc and it crashed sending me back to do it all again thanks to no manual saves, uninstalled and never went back
>>737492057Frieza?
>>737483485I don't think I've seen anyone who plays character action games call Automata's combat good or even decent....the only people who do that are automata fans. What are you even talking about?
>>737492853There are manual saves and save points. You still might end up going far back even looking for those, but it makes sense to save often in case you get a game over.
>>737483514Fpbp
>>737492989They don't, but the moves feel good to do and there's plenty of freedom to do wacky air combos freestyle. People who like DMC or Bayonetta or whatever basically wish 2B was in a game with better enemies.
>>737483485I didn't care about the story or the characters and I didn't get swayed by the tits and ass either. The gameplay sucked. One of the worst Platinum Games games.
Designs only, the best part
>>737483485I already played automata.Should i play Replicant?
>>737494350Replicant has all the things OP is bitching about x2 so give it a whirl.
>>737494350OG nier is way better than automata but you must play the actual OG game, not the demake, as it completely destroyed the atmosphere, in particular the music.Playing the jap version with the canon MC would be best but if you can't japanese, the shitty old man revision is ok too.
>>737493771The Automats enemies are actually pretty varied. You can see that in the debug mode. Unfortunately the game only uses basic enemies 80% of the time.
>>737492487Finnegans Wake, Pale Fire, Only Revolutions, The Silmarillion
>>737495352revolutions always seemed like it's too fucky to read. is it significantly better than house of leaves?
>>737495324There's a pretty good variety of them. Unfortunately, the game mostly goes with enemies that look like sad robots from Nier Gestalt, and more unique ones still die from hitting the dodge into one follow up.
>>737486869>gameplay is extremely fun and variedFun, perhaps. Varied? Hell no. Baby's first action game, almost insultingly simplistic, despite the multitude of arms of different types.
>>737483485None of that is what makes it a bad game.
>>737483485Fuck 9S gameplay, that hacking minigame was dogshit.
>>737483485>so how did character action game fans even enjoy this game to begin with?We didn't. We pointed out that the combat was ultra-shallow and completely unbalanced with the chip and level system put in to get around needing to actually design encounters.Some of us even pointed out that the story is also extremely shallow and obvious and wastes oodles of time on pretentious bullshit that's really just babby's intro to existentialism and people praising it are the same kind of retards that praise Last of Us 2 for its groundbreaking "revenge is bad" narrative.It was a hit with normies. The average moron. To them the terrible combat just "feels good" and the simplistic story is more complicated than anything else they consume.Also gooners. Anything that gets a lot of porn immediately gains a shortcut into the collective unconscious.
>>737498245They had to know it's garbage, can't explain the existence of that auto mode otherwise.
>>737483514Based, fuck OP
>>737498552I really feel the need to reiterate how little I respect people that view something like Nier Automata as high art like this guy: >>737486869Actual games-as-art will remain nigh impossible as long as surface-level references to actual ideas impress people like this.I continue to feel so fucking sorry for the people behind Pathologic.
>>737483485I've never played this game and I don't think I ever will cause the fanbase of reddit fags and trannies ruined it for me. I don't want to be associated with that
>>737483485It's a Yoko Taro game first and a Platinum action game second. Fans understand this and detractors don't.
>>737498552>We pointed out that the combat was ultra-shalloweverybody knew what to expect when it came to gameplay because the first nier was very bad as well.The fact that you didn't m4eans you are a tourist that fell for the hype instead of an actual og fan, which also explain why you thought the story was bad. Most of it is actually references to the first game that you didn't get.
>>737498573I just brute forced it with trainer, if I ever replay it I will stop at Ending A which is a shame since I liked A2 a bit more.
>>737498885Understandable, this and the egregious backtracking are pretty much the only things that prevent me from replaying it.
>>737498872It was obviously taking a lot from Platinum's own Bayonetta. The result is between that and the original Nier, but there are reasonable complaints that it wasn't enough like Bayonetta.
>>737496536>third person action game>shmup sections>side scrolling sections>you can play as 3 different characters>you can play as dozens of different robotshow the fuck is this not varied?
>>737499771also forgot hacking minigames
>>737498872>BRO UR NOT AN OG NIER FANI mean I've played the Drakengard games and they were shitty but kinda charming. I said I was a character action game fan not a Nier fan. I tried Nier and it was just too fucking boring and clunky. In fact the Nier elements are what made me drop Homura Hime.I don't give a fuck if Automata had a bunch of references to Nier, why would I?
>>737499771the side scrolling sections are just the 3D sections with a locked cameraall the shmup sections are the same and also trashthe 3 characters play identically except for one of them having the option to waste a ton of time hacking for no real damage, an option people will quickly shelve
>>737498704This
>>737500291>i hated the sequel of a game i didn't like
>>737500393Thanks for confirming you're a retard trying to appear smart lmao.
>>737500541Yes? And?What do you think this thread is about?Do you understand the conversation we're having?
>>737499771You get 20 weapons all sharing like 3 moves, how's that for variety?
>>737500685>>737500685from the very start your opinion is already biased towards hating a game because it's the sequel of a game you hate.There is no conversation here. It's just you getting mad because you played a game that makes you mad
>>737500927>your opinion is biased!All opinions are biased.OP asked why character action fans didn't tell him that this game's combat was bad.I told him, as a character action fan, that we did.I'm sorry other people not having your opinion triggers you. You might want to avoid 4chan.
>>737483485i liked it, it was an enjoyable game. also both characters are HOT.youre a bitchy fagthats all there is to it
>>737500775you don't even have a base understanding of the main gameplay and are ignoring the other stuff
>>737501006>OP asked why character action fans didn't tell himno he didn't>other people not having your opinion there is having opinions and there is being uninformed and having a wrong interpretation because of said disinformation.You even said it yourself>I don't give a fuck if Automata had a bunch of references to Nier, why would I?you got into a game you know nothing about and didn't understandd shit about it. That is an uninformed """opinion""" and hence irrelevant
>>737499771Varied and Nier Automata do not belong in the same sentence, and you know why. How many different enemy types? No, gold plated enemies do no count. Even adding bosses to that mix, you can probably count them all on two hands. Along with this lackluster spread of enemies to fight, difficulty is handled by enemies having their health inflated to become certified bullet sponges, while dealing 5x the damage to you. How uninspired and lazy af.For an "action game," you only have access to the same one, two, three button combo paths with no ability to continue combo chains through weapon swapping. The only novelty here is that sometimes a weapon has a neat animation or ability. The vast majority of end game builds rely on Pod ability spam, which amounts to running in circles and letting them charge. Holy cow, how fucking boring!9Shit loses one of his weapons, limiting his moveset EVEN FURTHER for a shitty mobile-tier hacking mini-game, that goes on for his entire section ad nauseam. Jesus Christ what a terrible idea for an action game, let's completely remove the player from the action for our low-octane bullet purgatory.The first time I played this mid ass game, I completely dropped it for 6 months after being forced to play as 9Shit. The combat went from a little boring and simplistic to completely brain dead with one character. I only went back to complete it because of the incessant whining of friends who worship Yoko Taro's nuts and claim this game is peak.>Side scrolling sections>Playable robotsAh yes, limiting my camera for an agonizingly slow, on rails section that is either Nier Automata 2D, or another half-baked bullet purgatory. What's that? You died near the end of our 15 minute on-rails section? Take it from the top.Nier Automata is the easiest 6/7 out of 10 I've ever played if you evaluate the gameplay. Atmosphere, Story, Music, awesome excellent. This game is entirely propped up by R34 gooners & member berries otherwise.
>>737501515>nuh uh he didn't!You must be over 18 to use this site>your opinion is WRONG!lol it's a shit game in a shit series from a shit "auteur" and the worst lead at Platinum (Taura)cry some more
>>737501623tldr you're wrong
>>737495352holy pseud
>>737501746>>nuh uhread the OP again and quote the exact part where>OP asked why character action fans didn't tell himi'll wait>your opinion is WRONG!again, quote the exact post where i said yoyu are wrong.Again, i'll wait, i have all day
>>737501623It still boggles the mind that people try to pretend like Nier Automata (or any of the Nier or Drakengard titles) should be considered titans of gameplay.Like, I can understand dipshit teenagers and marvelslop normies seeing the themes in these games are high-minded and well-explored because they're mental infants with zero exposure to anything with more nuance than Mr A, but anybody praising the gameplay is always full of shit.
>>737501778Stay in denial cope-tard, idgaf. This game is mid af, no matter how much those polygons jiggle for you.
>>737501897>he didn't ask why no one told him something, he asked why action fans enjoyed it!get a grip
>>737502072Yes retarded faggot those are two completely different questions.I swear you pseudo intelectual faggots are the most retarded posters in this entire site.
>>73750206110 million sales, 9/10 ratings. Stay mad fag.
>>737502164Fucking pottery, reminder not to argue with stupid ESLs on /v/.
>>737483485I'm okay with the enemies looking like walking trashcans
>>737502164>Account active from: India
>>737502193>10 million salesA shame less than 40% even stuck with it beyond the first boss. Buyer's regret much?And we all know those IGN game ratings are dog shit? 9/10? Are you kidding me? You've gotta be shit at real action games, or another lifelong Yoko Taro fan to see that number and believe it.And calm the cortisol cowpoke, ain't no one mad here. We discussing this mid ass game with civility.
>>737502384>>737502482>ad hominens alreadylmao you do NOT know how to read faggot."what did you like about this book?" and "why didn't you tell me this book was bad?" are two completely different questions that imply two complete different things. The second question is already forcing an opinion on the recipient for starters
>>737494350v is crazy spiteful and loves to trick people into playing garbage games they were tricked into playing. No, don’t play it, it’s worse than automata in everything besides music, allegedly. And that’s debatable because OG plays the same couple tracks a million times, so they lose all impact on the second or third replay.
>>737502569Cope harder.
>>737502591>retarded faggotWhat? You started it you worthless halfwit. Not reading any more of your brownoid drivel, seethe.
>>737494350replicant sucks assits just a very very old game
>>737502742>dodgesthought so, ignorant faggot.At least learn how to read before pretending to be an intelectual that is above "the average moron"
>>737502569Not surprised, the demo got me hooked, imagine my shock when the rest of the game turns out a bit different than I was led to belive.
>>737502736Damn he's tapped out already! One screenshot and his argument's shot, RIP. GG no RE Anon, I'm sure Redmoa's got some more 2Booty for you to goon over.
>>737484526that's the fun part; he's a pseud and doesn't actually read books. Only shitposts here. Funny, right?
>>737502967>is also a schizo goonerkinda pathetic ngl
>>737502591>It got into a fight with random other postersLmao
>>737484526>I liked the gameplay I wouldn't say that too loudly
>>737486869An opinion one can arrive at if they have only ever played Yoko Taro games. You've been mired in uninteresting button-mash diarrhea for so long, that you as a DrakeNier fan have become programmed to clap for empty overworlds, surface-level action, and gameplay that involves a lot of running in circles and waiting.I pray for you Anon, may the light of good vidya enter your soul before it is too late. Automata is a solid 3/5, my guy. An interest story held down so terribly by its bland action and poorly thought-out system mechanics.
>>737504052To a Drakengard/Nier fan a 1/5 is a 3/5 and a 3/5 is a 5/5
>>7375029672B porn is really good though ngl twin ong
>>737483485>play Automata around release, find its environments ugly and its gameplay low-effort>Korra had better combat than this and Korra was built in a cave with scraps>Beat "first playthrough," game very obviously continues from there>Playing as 9S is so fucking boring I just stop playing>YEARS later, after being begged, return to the game>slog through the same game again as 9S hoping for some big change or revelation or addition to the dog shit I've been wading through>Instead get a bunch of fucking tower challenges to complete with 9Slol eat my balls, game dropped
>>737504160It's 80% of the reason we haven't collectively forgotten about this milktoast game. That and all the 2Booty cameos in fighting games.At least she brought the action that was missing from Automata to Soul Calibur and Gran Blue lol
>>737504353This guy plays real vidya, your plight is one of many who were misled, brother.
>>737489490My issue was that I was expecting a twist upon a twist just to get to the red bitch boss and realise there was nothing else 5o it.
>>737504107Very true, the Taint of Taro has blighted their sense of right and wrong, forever skewing their perceptions of quality. A fate worse than death, some might say...
>>737504409>milktoast gamespelled it wrongused it wrong>I was just pretending to be retardedREAL ESL HOURS
>>737504353>YEARS later, after being begged, return to the gameive learned from experience that no game that anyone begs you to play is ever worth playing
>>737504353nobody 'begged' you to do shit, faggot. You're a lemming and felt FOMO, as all your kind does. Sorry for your shit taste, though.
>>737483485I have a conspiracy theory that this game wasn't actually supposed to be fun. The main theme is that the characters are trapped in an endless meaningless war, so if the combat just feels like it drags on forever and is completely joyless you would feel more immersed in 9S/2B's mental state. Basically they sacrificed the gameplay for the sake of the story/"games as art" or whatever.
>>737502569>40%so a minority of nier fans are retards like you? okay...?
>>737501623>Varied and Nier Automata do not belong in the same sentenceAre we deadass? Automata has so many different gameplay styles that fit the game so well and use the same control scheme
>>737508767"mash square with the medium sword" and "mash square with the lance" are not two different gameplay styles
It's ok...
>>737506476You’re halfway right, but it’s about Taro’s other games, yea. He intentionally makes bad gameplay, features like fast travel, and side quest to “troll” players. I just think he sucks and it’s his way of hiding it, but you never know. Automata’s combat is leagues more fun to look at than Replicant’s.
how'd it know?!
Kill ALL rollsloppers.No exception.
whooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>737483485>Every action game ever>Every action game ever>No one cares>Optional unlock>Optional unlock>No one cares>it's normal mode>No one caresThis just sounds like a bunch of made up tranny bullshit
>>737483485>missing the point>missing the point>missing the pointBravo dick head.It's the best game of its generation because of the way it uses the medium in creative ways to present its themes.No other medium can replicate it, which is why it's so important and so good.
Bump.
>>737512050>the way it uses the medium in creative ways to present its themes.>No other medium can replicate it, which is why it's so important and so good.Finally someone is conscious about the most important and the best aspect from the game...
