https://x.com/WinC_Gaming/status/2047064161717280851 oh nononono
Lma9oooooooooo
You vill chase ze trends
Anything but an actual good Halo game.
>>737484313What about a smaller scale Halo game with lower stakes where you play as a Marine with a squad a la Republic Commando?
How in the fuck are all these studios 5 to 10 years behind on trends? I seriously don't get it at all. Also saturate the market yeah sure what a fantastic idea, what could possibly go wrong?
>>737484383>She thinks extraction shooters are the latest trendshe doens't know the truth
>>737484313This is them essentially saying "trends are changing faster than we can chase them, but we're not giving up"
>>737484485>How in the fuck are all these studios 5 to 10 years behind on trends?Because it takes 5 to 10 years for jeets trained on third party standardised industry conveyor belt tools to shit out something it used to take only 1 year for teams of experienced professional white people working with in-house purpose built toolsets.
>>737484313I came here to tell you to haista vittu mee töihi
https://www.dexerto.com/halo/halos-scrapped-battle-royale-turned-into-an-extraction-shooter-report-3355580/
Arc Raiders got massive mostly because there is a level of fidelity and quality that is way beyond anything else in the genre. You can't just copy the gameplay formula and hope for 100k concurrent.
What is the next trend then? First we have MOBA. Then battle royale. Then extraction shooter. All fps and gun shits. Along the way we got some.small trends like card based rogue lite and shit. Oh the soul likes and roll slops too.
M$ will do anything with Halo except make an actual Halo game
>>737484507You vill take your time emulating the successes of half-a-decade-old trends
>>737484313All of the decision makers in big studios are fucking retards surrounded by yes men what the actual fuck is wrong with this industry
>>737484739>>737484405>>737484739The fact that 343i wasn’t atomized after Halo 4 (hell, especially after Halo 5) is complete bullshit
>>737484313>tried to make halo hero shooter>scrapped it for huge open world to make battle royale>didn't have time to implament it in infinite>most people didn't buy infinite to fund it>they scrapped open world battle royale for extraction shooterhiring people who hate halo is really paying off, right microshaft? now halo is irrelevant and only nostalgia dorks care about it
>>737484485Development inertia. Due to the bloated scale of AAA studios these days, the logistics of game development are bogged down by so many bureaucracies between departments and studio branches that there is a considerable time lag before a significant decision on game design can be made. By the time they pivot, the trends have already way past its novelty
>>737484963Replied to someone twice award
>>737484313Incredible. It will release just in time to canabalise Fairgame$ and Horizon Hunter's playerbase. All 600 of them.
>>737484963I do genuinely wonder how they got to keep the IP and even, pretty much, got a promotion in the form of being renamed "THE Halo Studio."We've all seen dev teams get killed for far less than what 343i has done.
>sources say>reportedly
if i was in charge of halo i would just make good campaign that has separate chapters for marines,covenant,spartan4s and halo guy then make odst as dlc then multiplayer side make battlefield clone with 64 players = billions of money
>>737484971halo has been niche compared to Call of Duty since Halo 4
>>737484313that tweet is ai generated isn't it?
>>737485162AI translated tweets sound like AI even if they're translating humans
What I'll never understand is how they planned Halo Infinte as some decade long supported live service multi-player game but have it developed largely by contractors and temp hires.
>>737485323Halo is a legacy brand. It's supposed to sell on its household name alone.
>>737485217That isn’t a translated tweet.
Masterchief should've never came back after Halo 3 it's a shame capitalism made it happen
>>737485162Obviously>em dash>random list barely related to the rest of the sentence
>>737485453>AI invended em dashes
>>737484383Trend chasing has been a staple of the industry since Doom.
>>737485123based dancebot
Marathon 2.
>>737484313>Mindlessly chase fad that will be utterly saturated by the time the game releases and consumers will have moved on to the next shiny thing‘W-why are chuds not buying our games…?’
The social play of Arc Raiders is "Hi, I'm friendly. See you later."
Why is it even called "extraction shooter"? This type of game existed for ages already before this term came about.
Jesus, these big studios are always like 10 years late to the fad, these idiots should start innovating again and come up with their own groundbreaking shit instead of waiting around for the out of touch shareholders to tell them what to do based on analytics from years ago.IF you actually come up with something cool, even an idiot can see the potential profit in it, granted that you present your idea well.
>Bungie chases trends by making Firefight when Horde Modes are popular>nobody minds>343 tries to chase trends with a Battle royale, which fits Halo's emphasis on map pickups and ODST drop pods>People flip outdefend this
>>737486071silly custom game modes != whole entire games
>>737484472I was also in that thread
>>737485951What did we call it before?
>>737485560whats funny is these industry behemoths arriving to the party 5 years too late when the fatigue has already set deep in
>>737484313Ah yes, the new entry in the Concord series. Part 5 now I reckon?
>>737484485> all these studios 5 to 10 years behind on trendsBecause it's still boomers at the head, and those execs have a hard time "getting" Pong.It's a miracle they are *only* 10 years behind.
>>737486225Stalker-games.
>>737484739Because there is no money in single-player games.
>>737485951>This type of game existed for ages already before this term came aboutNot really?EFT came out in 2016, the term got popularized in 2017, no game before that did the "go out, loot, extract and keep the stuff or die and lose everything" loop to my knowledge.>inb4 a singular example that only a 100 people have played
>>737486308elden ring sold well
>>737484708Back to some kind of MMOs. Something like Foxhole in a Halo setting could be great. Without the retarded logistics of course.
>>737486361>no game before that did the "go out, loot, extract and keep the stuff or die and lose everything"DayZ was popular way before that and is even more hardcore than Tarkov as there are no safety nets (stash, secure asspocket, vendors)
>>737486308All the recent bestsellers are single player games.
>>737485323Seems like corporate brainrot to me.I worked in an environment like that and it constantly suffered from institutional knowledge loss.All the bullshit about writing documentation doesn't really matter because not everything is suitable for documentation and there's no guarantee anyone will read that shit anyway, plus you can't exactly say 'the executive who reads your reports doesn't like fucking reading so don't put too many words in the report' I had an executive who couldn't be fucked to read a 3 sentence summary. Good luck to the poor bastard who replaced me.
>>737486539DayZ is not an extraction shooter, you are not extracting out of the map area into anywhere, you are constantly in the game and in danger, it's an open world survival game.
>>737486361Stalker predates Tarkov by like a decade. And don't pretend like Tarkov if fundamentally and categorically different. Tarkov is but a narrower Stalker experience. In truth you could already play Stalker like Tarkov and plenty of people did. Presumably that's how the Tarkov devs were inspired to make Tarkov to begin with. But Tarkov isn't the first game to copy Stalker. There have been plenty of games inspired by Stalker in between Stalker and Tarkov. And a lot of were similarly more narrow experiences like Tarkov. To arbitrarily draw the line at Tarkov specifically and claim that only it could be called an "extraction shooter" is just dumb.
>>737486583Gameplay loop is essentially the same though, they have a lot of elements that are similar. Only thing setting them apart is what I listed earlier and I guess if you're gonna be pedantic, the extraction part.To give you a point though, Tarkov does have an end unlike DayZ and you can complete the game, so I guess that's the biggest thing that sets them apart excluding the extraction part.
>>737486585Holy shit you are retarded.
>>737486585Stalker is also an "open world" survival shooter, not an extraction shooter, you are not extracting to anywhere.I do concede that Tarkov was heavily inspired by stalker, to the point where they wanted the same type of map progression system and in-world traders, but it evolved into something different, mostly due to engine constraints and russian spaghetti code.>>737486640Well you'd think the EXTRACTION part of a genre called EXTRACTION SHOOTER is a pretty big part of it.
>>737484472How about a game where you play as a Spartan and go through 10 or so missions where you gradually get introduced to more and more weapons, vehicles and enemies?
>>737486640Would you call Rust an extraction shooter? The gameplay loop between that and DayZ is nearly identical. Tarkov did not invent the extraction genre, that accolade goes to the Division with the original Survival game-mode. The worst decision Ubisoft ever made was not capitalizing on that and sunsetting it relatively quickly.
>>737486515Halo but like Planetside would be cool, it's been 13 years since Planetside 2's launch and no one has made a game like this.
>>737484963Yeah, I wasn't a huge fan of Halo 4, but I gave them a chance. Halo 5 was such irredeemable garbage that it still, to this day, remains the only game I've ever sold back to the retailer. Even getting 50% back was better than keeping that shit.I still remember people nuthugging it in the first week and saying HALO WAS BACK, until it all startedd to set in that the campaign was actually even worse, and the multiplayer was mid as fuck since half the maps were just variations of midship, reskinned. 3 lanes, 3 ramps, boring as fuck.
>>737486640>pointing out the fact that it's missing the very thing the genre is named after is "pedantic">>737486667Gears of war is essentially a first person shooter. You shoot shit and it's the same gameplay loop and really the only thing that's missing is the first person bit if you're being pedantic.
>>737486724Ahh shit, I forgot all about the Division ust like almost everyone else lmao, but that is definitely where the genre stemmed from.Those guys really let a good thing go there.
>>737486723That's crazy; how are we supposed to monetize that?
>>737486724Ubisoft must be kicking their bedsheets over that move. They had a money printer right under their noses and they let it go.
>>737486913Hear me out, you release the game as a multiplayer only arena shooter, then charge extra to unlock the campaign
god i hate jannies
>>737485560Back then games didn't have a 3 million budget, they were just fun reskins made by a random company you didn't care, they could go bankrupt and you wouldn't know about itNow your "favorite" company will chase a trend then kill itself forever because it spent a fuckton of money instead of being different and fun then blame it on the gamers (and the modern audience)
>>737484485If you see a thing on the news its already obsolete. Same was with bitcoin, zog, epstein, ram shortage etc.
>>737486732Planetside 2 was too spastic to fit Halo, imo. I wouldn't want to see Spartan IIs running around and getting outskilled by a solo grunt. Even if I could never get to play as even ODST, let alone Spartan IIIs or IIs, or any non-fodder covenant classes because only sweats have the required skill-level to access them, I think I'd still prefer it that way. Then you'd know that any elite you face is a great threat both in strength and skill. Defeating an Elite or a Leg'golo as a squad of 6 marines would feel like an accomplishment, whereas a "balanced" game meant for "everyone" would suck dick.
We need more asymmetric arenas. I want a real successor to Natural Selection
Halo should have a PvPvE mode like the original Battlefront games>Massive battlefield with hundreds of enemies. Humans vs Covenant. >Normal marines and Grunts/Jackals controlled by AI. Spartans and Elites are human players>Some maps have The Flood as a 3rd party hostile to everyone
>>737487403>Spartan IIs running around and getting outskilled by a solo gruntplanetside 2 had the resource system for spawning vehicles. it could use that. like you play as USMC by default, but then you can spend resources to spawn as an ODST or a spartan 3, then maybe a bit more to get a scorpion tank, and then finally one of the most expensive things you can spawn as would be a spartan 2but realistically i think it'd be gay as fuck somehow due to people gaming the system (see: how certain people refuse to play battlefield games unless they can spawn into a little bird or a jet)
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>>737484708Next trend will by AI story generators.
>>737487593Sniper Elite has an interesting model where a pvp player can load in as a nazi sniper to take out the players working through their campaign mission. This could definitely work well in halo
>>737484313
>>737485108What ladies? Most game devs are men or trans women (aka men)
>MS sees other companies flail and fail trying the extraction shooter>better copy itI won't be surprised if they add copilot in that extraction shooter/mode because MS is retarded enough to do it.
>>737487608As long as people playing special classes are fluent enough in English (players could get reported and booted out of an elite class if they don't speak) and only got there by winning some qualifier mode, and lowest 10% of every higher class would periodically get decimated to a lower rank while the top 10% would be eligible for a promotion, it'd work. Although to make it fair, I'd lock the qualifiers to 60 fps, 90 FOV etc.
i never really liked halo, just diet quake for console tards that should have died a long time ago
>>737487593A Halo Battlefront game is such a winning idea that only a corporate suit would be blind to
>>737484313Holy shit they’re retarded. They had forge and custom games. They could make these both optional modes for people to play.
>>737487745Perfect Dark had that on the N64. It was called Counter Op. you’d load in as a generic enemy NPC with less health and tyy to stop the main player. It’s sad games that are decades old have more features than modern ones.
>>737484383Halo was always a soulless dividendmaxxing corporate product.
I look forward to the Halo CE demake flopping, hopefully it stops them from ruining Halo 2 and Halo 3 as well.
>>737484485>Why are AAA studios <exactly how long the average AAA game takes to be developed> behind?
>>737484313>halo studiosWait, they killed 343?
>>737484313Halo would do well as a Warframe-type game
>>737484313I would say I feel bad for halofags but just like blizzardfags, they're still fans despite the years and years of abuse so they deserve it.
>>737486712NTA but that guy probably means that you could get hundreds of hours of playtime in Stalker by running through the zone, gathering artifacts and loot, running back to camp and selling them for better gear, rinse repeat. The enemy placement and design and emergent elements from X-ray engine made it such that it was always dangerous going out even if you knew the map well. It's not a multiplayer experience, but it was a very common way to play the game (I never finished the story mode), and there were probably mods to add MP to it and at that point you're actually playing an extraction shooter, even if you don't "extract" out of danger entirely.
>>737484485it takes AAA devs 5-10 years to make a game
>>737492032No they just changed the name so they can shake off some of the contempt people feel towards 343. It only works for people not paying attention which is probably more than enough for it to be worthwhile.
>>737493258Stalker doesn’t have that structure at all. It’s a continuous open-world game with save/load, no session-based raids, no extraction win condition, and no full-loss death penalty. The gameplay isn’t built around risk-based extraction, it’s built around exploration and survival.That’s like running dungeons in Skyrim, going back to town to sell loot, and calling it an extraction shooter, the game isn’t built around extraction as a win condition.
>>737484313>tighter matches, bigger stakes, and more teamworklol, lol, and lmao>social playjust make a vrchat room
These retarded developers still don't understand that Halo succeeded with asymmetical gametypes like 1 Flag, 1 Bomb, Territories, etc.Even Bungie lost their way towards the end where they over catered to Slayer fags.Such a lost opportunity.
>>737495291> Halo succeeded Only in the US for a brief period of time because it came prepackaged with every xbox and got astroturfed to hell.
>>737495510You weren't even born when Halo released, zoom zoom. Stay in your lane.
you stupid pieces of shit are going to dogpile this game until it dies too, aren't you? Fucking faggots. All of you. Cowards with pissy diapers.
>>737495739But I'm not doing anything
>>737495739This series has been dead for over a decade, you retarded faggot.Don't tell me you unironically play Halo Infinite? Oh no no no no....
>>737495787You know what you did. >>737495915I don't need to play anything to know you guys will dick ride the corpse all the way into the incinerator.
>>737484313>Halo is making an extraction shooter
>bungie develops ass for years>sony kills other studios instead>343 develops ass for years>ms kills other studios insteadWHY
>>737495739I'm going to keep doing nothing as long as it takes.
>>737495739friendly reminder that the only good 343 game is the master chief collection and it took like 3 years for it to be fully functional and then about 4 years after that they added weapon skins to halo 1-3
>>737487608Battlefront 2 had the same kind of resource system as well and people only really camped the points menu for Hero units. A lot of people avoided using reinforcer units so that they could just play as normal clones and droids
>>737496246>only good game is a bundle of games that were perfectly functional beforeWow
>>737496350and they still managed to fuck it upthere was a bug in halo 2 where you would aim your shotgun at the ground and kill people standing in front of you
>>737484472ODST already exists and mogs the other Halo games, they don't want to risk a repeat of that.
I don't understand why they don't copy Bungie and make Halo into a Destiny clone. There is still juice in Destiny likes the issue is Bungie gave up on theirs
>>737495739If the game is good (it's not) I will play it and have a blast.If it's not good, I will shitpost about it and have a blast.Either way, I will have a blast whether you like it or not.
>>737486156They're planning to sell this as a separate game without even a campaign attached?
>>737495739
AAA fucks around and fails. Meanwhile Gacha makes enough bank at least to recover failed projects. One gives men sexy female forms the other DEI slop safe hand holding yellow pain touchy feely games. I am laughing.
>>737484313>More live service gamesHave these retards not learned anything from the past 3 years?
>>737484313Getting ready to BLAST OFF AGAIN to Concord 5. Or 6?
>>737484963>The fact that 343i wasn’t atomized after Halo 4 (hell, especially after Halo 5) is complete bullshit343 did exactly what micropenis told them too.
>halo devs are ditching [previous fotm] for [current fotm]If people didn't think 343 was a soulless husk before they certainly will now
>>737484313please be real it would be so funny
>>737496458There's nothing left to do with Halo except host an eternal game format people used to care about before it was thrown aside by Microsoft/343. Destiny has been an insolvent franchise for years already, people are over it. I don't even believe Bungie would be stupid enough to keep it going. Bungie has to chase a new formula now that their contractual Sony GaaS abortion is over too.
>>737484472How about a game where Master Chief finally distance himself from the UNSC, with Joy, gets his own ship, travel the galaxy facing new threats, not the same fucking aliens he's been facing for years, takes Doom and Half-Life gameplay only keeping some elements of "Halo" in there? Halo needs to move away from that military shit. It was boring back then and it's boring now. Our US military is government shit anyways. Can't do that then the series needs to be vaulted and hard rebooted. Get rid of those stupid novels.>>737486308The problem isn't single-player, the problem is that Halo sucks ass and dumbed down and stagnated the FPS genre, now that has evolved beyond it. We honestly don't need any more Halo games. Microsoft is stuck in the past.
