NTEbros...not like this...
>>737500545what did you honestly expect?
Fell for it again awardGacha tards never learn
>UE 5no thanks
Sorry, but this is still the Hoyo era.
>gacha>second jobis that not the normal? why are people complaining?
behead all gachaniggers
>>737500725Grim...
Man what the actual fuck were people expecting from a shit studio that made Tower of Fantasy and is owned by Perfect World
>another so called "Genshi killer" flushed down the drainIt's hilarious how Genshin just can't be stopped.
>>737500907Too bad for you then
>>737501007Dark...
>>737500545I was hyped about it... I guess I'll continue ot ne hoyo slave until ananta.
>look at the combat>it looks 98% identical to every other fucking chinese action gachathe only reason genshin isn't dead is that the people still playing it are deep into sunk cost. if you come out with the same shit no one will care.
>>737501007ia artwork all you hoyotrannies got? rhetorical question becausee your games are all censored as fuck.
>>737500545>slamming it for feeling like a second jobDon't most of these gachaslop games feel that way?
>>737501216ZZZ sure isn't after the one instance of launch-day stuff and is the only good Hoyo gameDon't listen to genshitters and especially not HSR-fags, those games suck ass
>>737501309In china it's more like 5 minutes and you're done fuck off until next day.
>>737500751>>737501309No. The RPG/battler ones are 10 minute dailies you just autocomplete. Usually there's a raid or some shit that takes 30 minutes but you only do it one day a week or every other week.Smart action gachas stick to weeklies because no one is going to play dial-a-combo shit daily.
>>737500545>tower of fantasy devs
>>737500968This.... as soon as I saw that I knew it was DOA
Step aside chuds, we'll show you how it's done.
>>737501869I thought this was NTE, which one is that then
>>737501869maybe in 2028 if the game is even real.
>>737502002Ananta, the vaporware thats never coming out
>>737501869gta 6 will release first
>>737500545This game overlaps waaaay too much with Ananta and that one is looking way better.
>>737501605>THAT gacha feels like a second job!>but THIS gacha? heh, that's my daily chore!
>>737500545dey arr rooks same
didn't they said there's no gacha and only cosmetics ?
>>737502897Wrong similar looking action open overworld gacha set in an urban environment
>>737502897Thats the other live service anime GTA game
>>737500545>Genshinlike is just like genshit color me surprised...
Videogames aren't for bugmen with 80 hour work weeks, this shouldn't really be shocking to anyone
>>737503152if only they weren't for seanigger permavirgin incels
>>737503221Hoping for too much, the moment something isn't for them they try to report the game to whatever authorities they can and spam death threats toward the studio heads and PR people. SAD!
>>737500545Kek
>>737501216All games are censored as fuck anon
>>737501190>the only reason genshin isn't dead is that the people still playing it are deep into sunk cost. if you come out with the same shit no one will care.I literally deleted game accounts where I spent hundreds multiple times and yet the average normgroid faggots cannot do it and move on?
>>737503027>>737503048kek it's way worse then
>>737500545>second jobThat could be a good thing, chinese players are retarded and can't handle more than 15 minutes of gameplay per day.
>>737504165It's all they have time for, so most of the time they just write angry reviewbombs on steam or jump off the roof to get caught by the suicide nets
>hotta game underperforminggood, skimpy outfits in 1 month then
>>737500725This... they know what they are doing...
>>737503221You can tell a seething transcel made this. Btw, you aren't white just because you aren't a SEAnigger, lol
>>737504563Is this bitch still fucking useless
>>737504780Every character in not from [current region] is useless, sadly.
>>737504837Epic game
>>737500545Is this the GTA "clone"?
>>737504662t. muhammad
>>737500545>gacha failing because there is too much gameplayhuh imagine that
nice try vmgeet
>>737500545>players are praising the optimizationI'm in.
>>737500545>having the 28th most played game in China is a flopThe only thing that makes me sad about all this is how megalomaniac the modern industry is
>>737500545All this shit looks the same to me, how do Chinks even tell their trash apart at this point?
Now I am curious, whats the ratio of existing gacha market for "main" gacha vs side gachas that take little of your time?
>>737501605>>737500545This seems like a hit piece paid by HoyoGacha games are 10~ min a day dailies sure, but that's only when youre "caught up" and have nothing else to do but dailies. A brand new game SHOULD have a bunch of stuff for you to do, at least for a couple of weeks.
>>737504471Would be nice and lucrative if they turn it into a virtual girlfriend/wife bait like that women game
>>737500545Neverness to Flopness...
>>737506705There isn't a straight correlation between those earning charts and actual popularity. For example, Blue Archive is never anywhere near the top of those charts, but it's one of the most popular gachas in every region. And if you look at the list closely, you'll realize that there's game there that you've never heard of before.
>>737506728Also, it's only been out for a day, how does it feel like a second job already.
>>737507118Dont reply to me again ESLtard
>>737507184Make me, pussy.
>>737506492Just like a single-player game having 50k concurrent players on steam at release is supposed to be a flop.Neither actually i, and you should stop paying attention to retards.
>>737501330ZZZ is the least bad one but it's also well past its peak and is disgustingly censoredIt's very low effort overall too
>>737507050>but it's one of the most popular gachas in every regionlollmaoBA is peak secondary-bait franchise.Most people do not play the game.The biggest excuse you can make for it is that people buy merchandise.
>>737500545how much of a grind do you have to be to make chinks complain about itgoddamn
>>737507551I don't know what to tell you, Anon. Have you seen the Blue Archive real world conventions and events?They have to give Blue Archive its own building in comiket while everyone else is squeezed into another. This is unprecedented, even for stuff like Touhou and Fate.Blue Archive is the hottest shit to come out in anime vidya in a very long time.
>>737501007i need to suck the nail polish off taos fingers
>>737507754Yeah, that is exactly the secondary market at play. Not to menion nexon is literally doing commisions of fan art from their own pockets, as has been accidentally leaked by artists.
>>737500545>gacha slop is slopAnd water is wet.
>>737507513>>737501330ZZZ is the lowest effort Hoyo game and has the worst story
>>737507551>peakyou're brown
can I get some Mint sexo in here pls
>>737500545The gaming industry is even more oversaturated with gacha than it is with extraction shooters. Like the devs of the latter genre, gacha devs don't seem to understand that they have to offer their intended audience something worth quitting established games over which already are more demanding "second job" games than MMO's used to be.As long as they don't bring anything new to the table these games are destined to fail before they even release. The idea of "le anime GTA" is not enough
>>737500545GO WOKE GO BROKE
>>737507940And nte flopping will only make it worse.
>>737506705>the ratio of existing gacha market for "main" gacha vs side gachas that take little of your timeI'm gonna assume that by "main" you mean huge full open world 3d gacha like genshin and by "side" you mean visual novel style presentation with either 2d or 3d mini game attached.The ratio is probably way lopsided in favor of "side" gacha because those are much easier to produce. The vast majority of gacha are "side" games as you've categorized them because time intensive gacha games are difficult to sell when the majority of the market is already oversaturated and players are already invested in other titles, as snowbreak devs said 1 year ago. Competing is increasingly difficult because of that reason, so releasing a gacha game today is a difficult proposition, regardless of whether it's a big or small gacha.The more time intensive your game is, the better it must be compared to other gacha, hence why some players will complain about the time required to play games. Usually when gacha releases, they have a respectable amount of content upfront, the lifespan of which is prolonged via the usual gatekeeping mechanisms of energy OR via storyline in the case of visual novel gacha games which take a lot of time to go through.
>>737505802wait a second...
>>737508113wtf buzzwords, zzz has more males and you can't even touch your waifus in that
>>737500545All of this is wrongIt's actually topping a lot of charts and people bash the shitty UE5 optimization.
>>737502367Ananta won't be out for another two years, though
>>737500996The only "genshin killer" that ever managed to establish itself without flopping entirely is WuWa, and even that did not dethrone Genshin. This shit reminds me of people calling every new MMO to release a WoW killer for over two decades
>>737505802>one of the reasons we got an iq test as captchasis he still alive?
>>737508401yeah I saw a thread yesterday
>>737507118these gachas all just copy each other so once you start unlocking the systems you can almost immediately get a feel of how much of your time it's going to waste.
>>737507849>Not to menion nexon is literally doing commisions of fan art from their own pockets, as has been accidentally leaked by artists.People love to bring this up as if Nexon was the only company to ever do stuff like that. The amount of BA fanart is too ridiculously high to justify even suggesting it's all paid by nexon.
>>737507940Nah both HSR and Genshin are even lower effort, especially HSRStory wise they're all dogshit except early Hi3rd (up to HoF)
>>737500545>goes antiwoke limits dating mechanic to only girls>flopswhat went wrong bros?
>>737500545I imagine it will be a lot more successful in the west because it's a lot like a GTA game. Also the game is free you can just play it and not spend money on the gacha
>>737508391Wuwa's main story is really nicely produced but the side content is barely there. Meanwhile Genshin's main story is also very nicely produced and there's ridiculous amounts of side content, to the point where it's a fully singleplayer game by itself.The difference between Wuwa and Genshin is that Genshin's dev team is much larger and the costs are also commensurate with that size.Where Wuwa managed to succeed is the combat and visuals, plus the more mature themed character designs.
>>737500545looks like the Dating System wasn't enough for people to actually enjoy the game lmao
ill still give nte a try, who cares if its potato. itll be interesting to see how it is
>>737500725unironically starting to believe that aswell. I played Genshin at release and dropped it after a year or so then last year I decided to play Wuwa and man, after like 2 months I started to question why I was playing that boring mess. Quit it and started ZZZ and bro, the game is so enjoyable that I see why Hoyo is the market leader and why people prefer them over other devs. they know how to captivate their audience and deliver actual fun. doubt we'll ever see any other dev getting closer to what they can do.also enjoying Endfield a lot too despite all the hate people try to throw on it
>>737508986>it's a lot like a GTA game
>>737508986Its the worst parts of GTA with none of the good parts.
>>737500545looked at both chink sites and gook sites (playing early on cn servers) for current consensus>chinksdoomposting as usual>gooksok and not bad, but nothing amazingalso the optimization seems to be completely out of question, pic rel is fps with and without raytracing
>>737510330GTA has good parts?
>>737510074>Bruh
I have no clue why people want to play "Anime GTA" in the first place.
>>737510442Devs said they prefer the term "paranormal city".
>>737510442Well, it might be open world urban city setting, but the gameplay isnt third person shooter crime simulator. Its the same 3rd person action melee combat with character swapping like every other modern gacha just set in one city instead of a fantasy world.
>>737510378witty dialogue, killing people, fun driving.instead we'll have chinkbabble and no killing people, idk about the driving.
>>737510696>GTA>fun drivingLMAO, play a real driving game for once in your life.
>>737510749>play>driving gameOoof I'd rather you call me a tranny 100000000 times over.
>>737510749no.
>>737510818>I'd rather you call me a trannyI would never disrespect your sexual identity by calling you a slur, I am not that kind of person.
>>737510917Alright alright, maybe call me a Nigger? Come on, there's gotta be something.
>>737510964You have poor taste in video games?How is that?
>>737504780>moon bullshit effect that hard walls any characters that don't come packaged with that new gimmick, or can at least piggyback off of a new character that is using the moon effectIt's never been more over for more than 80% of the Genshin roster
>>737510998That's worse than anything else.Fuck you.
>>737510074kek
Why are people so obsessed with numbers and whether a game is popular or "dead"?I just play a game, if it's fun, I keep playing, if it's not fun, I don't.Why the fuck are none of you ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAMES?
>>737511373>Why the fuck are none of you ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAMES?NTE hasn't released globally yet. 5 more days.
its time to start doxxing gachaniggers and violently murdering them
>>737509717Literal shill post, I play Endfield Wuwa and ZZZ ATM (and played Genshin for five years) and ZZZ is by far the worst of the three and only Endfield and Wuwa are worth praising due to the fact that you can see their profits being reinvested into the games. The models are much higher quality, the presentation is orders of magnitudes better and the combat too (ever since ZZZ became an iframe fest). There is nothing captivating about it other than the jiggling asses and the 1.X content.
>>737511152Also, this is the second time I've seen a gacha rug pull every old character like this. First time being a Sword Art Online gachaslop game.
>>737511373For gachas it matters because you actually want your game to be popular. Not only because you'll get a lot of fan content, but because it means the game won't EoS.People who play dead gachas are constantly in doomer mode over whether the game's EoS is coming today, tomorrow or next week.
>>737511746What a complete load of shit. ZZZ was worse in the beginning. TV mode was a dull snoozefest of handholding messages. Combat was worse due to shared ultimate/decibels. There are only 2 things that were better, character designs and Phaethon having to keep their proxy identity a secret.
>>737511373they're retarded bots obsessed with numbers, no different than steamchart fags or movie revenue "people"
>>737500545>Once again another gacha full of nigger asses that flopWhat will it take for china to stop pandering to amerimutts and go back to pandering to themselves?
>>737500545No shit this game is going to be trash, most of the characters have the majority of their actual kit locked behind gacha. You won't have your actual character unless you plan on pulling 3-4 dupes for every single character there is. Doesn't matter there is no 50/50. Actually worse than a hoyo game.
>>737500545based
>>737500545ananta is the one everyone is waiting foralso ToF gave that company a bad repkneel to otakus or perish
>>737500725This. Nothing can top Hoyo at this point.
>>737512043Funny, because they're all single-playerWhat would it matter if a single-player game died, because you could still play it yourself?Oh wait...
>>737512167Ananta isn't even a gacha game. I'm guessing they are going to be predatory as fuck with cosmetics
>>737512167Bad rep?How? Tower of fantasy was a genuinely fun game>>737512210>predatory>with cosmeticshuh?
I'm still going to try it.
>>737512104go back to /hsrg/
>>737500725>Black culture gacha flopping laughing at another black culture gacha flopping The flop era
>>737512152not even trying to make it look nonslop, yuck
>>737500545it can't be any worse than the other open world slop that's available now
>>737512210>Ananta isn't even a gacha gameI don't buy that for even a single second.
>>737512069Combat wasn't worse, it was actually a lot more engaging and threatening despite the lack of QoL as there were much less iframe overall (playing Miyabi after getting used to Ellen and Zhu was a whole new level of facerolling).The writing was also much much better due to being light hearted (as it should) and centered on comedy instead of the tearjerking serious chinkslop they started outputting on a per patch basis starting 1.4. ZZZ becoming serious did irreparable damage to the game even if there a few exceptions like the latest summer events.TV mode were thematically accurate and fit the unpredictable and ever changing natures of hollow. It was shit but instead of improving it on it, they just thrashed it, proving they had no vision for the game. It was really easy to improve upon too but they shat their pants and now we have shitty semi open world arenas that feel like fisher price Genshin
>>737512167Ananta is probably realizing just how much goes into being anime GTAI'm hoping they come out and mention anything, but it looks like they're continuing the process of '1 year of silence before we mention anything'Sex with Nanally and C6 Lacrimosa will hold me off until they announce that Ananta's still in development in a few months from now.
>>737512397ZZZ is less serious now. You don't even play the game. Fuck off.
>>737512654>less serious>SD now requires 3 S+ teams to pass
>>737512654Literally my Shiyu clear
>>737512867>>737512994>writing was more light hearted blah blah>BUT ENDGAME
>>737513109>you don't play the game
>>737507551>The biggest excuse you can make for it is that people buy merchandiseIt wouldn't surprise me if Nexon made more money from official BA merch than from the actual game.
>>737512043I feel like it's pretty goddamn obvious when a game is actually going to EoS hard, I've got a decent sense for it since I knew Tribe Nine and Atelier Resleriana were FUCKED after playing each for 1 hour.I don't get that impression from NTE, but I'll be able to say it with confidence once I've actually played it.People here just love trying to turn literally every game, gacha or not, into the next Tortanic.
>>737513483If anything NTE should be cannibalizing ZZZ, if ZZZ crashes and burns then NTE is a sucess.
>>737507754>They have to give Blue Archive its own building in comiket while everyone else is squeezed into another. This is unprecedented, even for stuff like Touhou and Fate.Didn't Touhou grew so fucking big that Comiket couldn't handle them, which is why Reitaisai got created ? They even hit like 10k doujin circles in their convention once
>>737513907Nobody's cannibalizing anything, WuWa and Genshin are two different games that can coexist, same with these two.Why in God's name some people think only one game per genre can exist is beyond me.
>>737512152>could be teasers for upcoming playable idols>just use sloppa insteadso much for "packed world", lmao
>>737500545>Game feels like a chore from the get goDamn its that bad? Gachas usually have at least a small period when they are fun to play before they become a daily chore.
>>737513907I'm not leaving ZZZ for NTE. ZZZ is a quick fun game that doesn't waste my time. I don't want to spend hours doing tedious open world quests in gacha games. Especially when the quests will be poor jank imitations of gta where the NPCs barely react or have complete ass animation.
how many fucking identical gachashit slop dogshit bum poop shit ass fart games do they expect people to whale in at the same time
>>737508401>>737508438What a legend.
>>737507118the funny thing is that every new gacha is a second job because you are leveling, replenishing the energy, clearing a shitload of content and gaining a lot of rewards because is the first day, there is no exception, even trickcal, an autobattler takes a couple days until you hit the comfy spot of running it on auto for 5 minutes and call it a day.
Another genshin killer flop kek. BTW whatever happen to that coom pokemon openworld gacha? IDK the name but I think it's created by the battleship coom company. I actually looking forward to it back then because coom but just kinda forgot about it...
We need more open world PVE daily stamina gated live service games
>>737500545>"feels like a second job"that's every gacha, however.>do this event>do these dailies>do this fomo>listen to this NPC's jargon and yapping>fight this exact same enemy you've fought 10 million times>collect those pennies in exploration chests>do these braindead puzzles for more pennies>do all of this for a week or two and maybe *maybe* you can afford a 10 pull
>>737514478Azur promilia, think its supposed to be this year, designs looked like shit compared to azur lane last i looked, 2d->3d downgrade
>>737514576did only the artists design AL characters and not manjuu?AP designs somehow manage to be even more bland than what ai nowadays can churn out with the default prompt
>>737512198The joke is that gachas, more than any other liveservice shit, exist in a perpetual endgame state, you grind now for shit that might be useful a few months later. No updates means you'll probably run out of content in a few days, lole.
>>737500545>they're slamming it for feeling like a second jobthat's rich coming from gacharetards who basically work for free
>>737500545What an incredibly stupid name, is the Chinese name any better?
>>737514859What are you talking about?It is a way better name than Mongil Star Dive.
>>737514663No clue, i think either they had to play it safer or they were way too inspired by genshin, it looked bland as hell
So even the Chinese are saying there's too much daily grind?
>>737512375Why not?
>>737500545>for feeling like a second jobOh yeah, not touching it.
>>737500545>chinese game>has a shitton of grind that I'm sure you can pay2win to hell and backI'm shocked
>>737510074Look at her run from the cops this is way too cute
>>737517112Where Winds Meet is Chinese and doesn't have either (people in the West complain there is not enough grinding)
>>737512261cosmetics are a major part of games for many people, monetizing them gas been a proven strategy of separating people from their money for a while.
>>737514478I've noooticed that Genshin fags are the ones who false flag that, thanks to another gacha releasing and not being promoted, a few stranglers came and tried starting shit this same way.What is it about gacha tribalism and not wanting other games to compete?
>>737500545All because of no gay handholding, kek
>>737508438The jannies deserve it.
>>737500545>dude chinese playerswho cares? i'll make my own opinion next week
I'll still try itI don't give a shit about SEAnigger numberfagging
>>737512152>>737512325I feel so bad for the original Japanese drawfag who's artstyle became the defacto slopstyle
>>737500545>UE5>ToF devsYeah nah I wasn't gonna play it anyway, bet it'll struggle to keep 60 steady frames on my 4070ti super despite looking like shit and having random UE stuttering.
The anime gacha business has completely plateau'd with Genshin as its undisputed king.
>>737518179>random UE stutteringthis was debunked to be jeet cope btw. works on actual modern hardware
>>737518486it's literally the prime WoW era MMO wars all over again. WoW was good, but it's competitors kept stepping on rakes rather than WoW being THAT much better.
>>737503493Congratulations. You're one of the exceptions. Most humans can not easily give up massive time and monetary investments, which is what these predatory live action games rely on to survive long after the honeymoon phase ends.
>>737518179>ToFI forgot that thing existed, raiding with anons was fun before I dropped it in a week.
>>737500545Don't care too much about the gameplay. I just want to walk around the pretty environments for therapeutic purposes
>>737512189I always hated how this game looks like clayNeeds more saturation
>>737512261Cosmetics are the biggest money maker in online games. Only trihards will whale for power, but even normies will drop tons of money playing dress up. Which is why the first thing you see these games do is monetize how your character look
>>737518829genshinbrowns are literally the WoWfags of gachas althobeitgenshin isnt that good either, it only got as popular as it is because it was basically the first of its kind and launched during covid
>>737504662Trvke nvke
>>737513961You're a moron. The fact is your free time is finite and these GAAS attempt to cannibalize all of it.
>>737519416The difference is WoW was a genuinely good game. If it wasn't you wouldn't see it be evergreen and people still playing it 2 decades later. Nobody is going to give a fuck about Genshin once it hits 10 years old
