>over the shoulder camera>excessive slow-motion on attack>lazy ass parryslop indicator>overly long execution moveswhy do they keep doing it every time?
>>737512286>why do they keep doing it every time?Because you kept praising every shitty game that did it.
Are you actually implying any old Ass Creed game had good combat?
bait thread, fuck off retard
>>737512286Besides the slow mo and camera, the original game had the indicators and long execution moves too, dingus. No, turning off the hud in the original does not mean it had no indicators.
>>737512286I haven't played ass creed since brotherhood. Am I missing anything?
There has never been a 3rd-person Western video game with good combat in the history of video games. Westslop combat mechanics from a decade ago have no more value than Westslop mechanics from now, therefore they are interchangeable.
>>737513690NTA: The combat was enjoyable. I would call it ‘good’ in the sense that I had fun, but I would never call it deep. Their decision to put it over-the-shoulder actually makes it worse though, clear visibility is really important in Bamham-style combat since the goal is fluid battle without awkward back-and-forth conmbat.
>>737514110I would say you should try Unity, Black Flag, Origins, and Odyssey personally. The rest I wish I had never played.
>>737512286Why is he in a combat stance in the old game but not the new remake?
>>737514323aren't they all insufferable dumbed down console slop linear moviegames. ive always thought that the series was normie dogshit
>>737514212Contrarianism is not a valid substitute for a personality anon.
>>737513690No, but it was sleek, fast and looked cool as fuck. Then came Unity, fucked everything up and the RPG games were the final bullet in the head.
>>737512286Don't pretend the original game's combat was even somewhat fun. I just tried replaying that shit a month ago and it was fucking dreadful.
>>737514374Contrary to what? The mountain of Western games regarded for their deep combat mechanics?
>>737512286Somehow the hits on the right clip feel "off". Weightless may not be the word but it certainly feels less impactfull compared to left.
>>737514371They’re not moviegames imo, but they are tedious collectathons with all the trappings you’d expect in an Ubisoft game. And yes, I’d say each of them are watered down for mass appeal. Nonetheless, I think the general combat, gameplay, and environments in those games warrant a play, albeit at lowest cost possible. It’s up to you, if you liked the first couple games you’re likely to enjoy those I listed.
>>737512286Do you actually know what over the shoulder means you stupid fucking ape
>>737514465Yeah.
>>737513690God no. Every ass creed had awful combat that was just a string of instant kills after the first successful parry.
>>737512286>Outsource to jeets>get Bollywood-tier garbage
>>737514619Do you have any examples? I don't see people constantly trying to better their skills at shit like God of War or fucking Bamham City the way they do with Japanese games. The depth isn't there to support a higher level of play.
>>737514757Not as popular/good as great Japanese titles =/= not good. The claim that there’s never been a single good 3rd person action game in the west because you don’t see people practicing those combat systems is stupid dude.
>>737512286Unpopular opinion, but they should never make it so the mc can just power his way through group encounters. It should always be better to run and escape. They’re assassins, not warriors. Keep to the stealth, otherwise what’s the point of stealthiness except for contrived gameplay reasons.
>>737515042There's a difference between serviceable and good. There have been many Western games with serviceable combat, but none of them have the staying power of their Japanese counterparts because it turns out that once you start digging past the surface level of a single basic playthrough, there's nothing left to discover. The fact that they don't practice them just demonstrates their lack of depth. There's nothing to practice because there's nothing beyond slipping around from target to target and hitting the button when the QTE pops up.
>>737515042But there really hasn’t. Besides the new God of War, I think DmC was the last time the west made a proper action game and that was because it aped a Japanese one.
>>737512286>why do they keep doing it every time?Originally premium games were made by game designers who laid down the principles for how to make the games good and fun.Today they're made by the fans of games that were made by fans of the work of the original designers, who are just doing what they think people should be doing.So much of AAA game design now is based on a misplaced sense of esteem.
>>737512286let's not pretend the original black flag wasn't a piece of shit tooif we're at the point where nu-/v/ is gonna start to look at ubishit games from the 2010s with rose-tinted glasses, then I think it's time for me to leave
>>737512286Assassin's Creed never had amazing combat, and this looks fun. I don't know if it's better, but it's like what Assassin's Creed wanted to be for 20 years.
>>737515556Black Flag was always beloved but certainly not for the combat.>O-OH LEAVE HER JOHNNY, LEAVE HER!
>>737515556It's Indian shills. The game looks like shit.
>>737515642I’m a lowlands man myself
>>737514757Prototype 1 or Hulk Ultimate Destruction but Free Radical is dead LMAO
>>737515826Those are button mashers. There’s no real skill involved.
>>737512286>excessive slow-motion on attack>lazy ass parryslop indicator>overly long execution movesThis is literally the combat in AC3, 4 and Rogue
>>737514212This
>>737512286I actually dropped the original after 30m because of the horrible combat. I'm going to pirate this and you can't stop me.
>>737515871they actually have really deep movelists you can vary and mix in all situations to improve your gameplay and avoid getting hit. monkeys can beat the game with armor + blade but the hardest difficulty encourages optimization. thats like calling pro Tekken button mashing
>>737515826Adding to this, LOTR: ROTK.
>>737516169>canBut you don’t have to, hence why it’s a button masher. Pro Tekken REQUIRES comboes.
>>737516058The visual effects are comically overdone, especially the parry flash.
>>737512286SAR WE MAKE CAMERA SHAKE MORE VIOLENTLY. THAT WILL BE 50 DOLLARS THANK YOU COME AGAIN
>>737516330yeah but the combos arent the hard part about pro tekken, its playing near perfectly. you can always continue to improve in a game like prototype. it reminds me of a fighting game in that way.
>>737512286Genuinely, who the fuck gives a shit about this dog shit series? On /v/??? Ubi-slop? These have to be Ubi-Shills trying to market based on rage bait about a series nobody here even cares about enough to hate.
>>737513690Brotherhood was enjoyable, even if it wasn't deep. Some of those sync kills...>jam longsword through man's skull>wrench it out and break his neck at the same timeHorrifying, in a good way.
>>737512286The complete lack of blood is so fucking gay. Can't offend anyone in motherfucking M rated game about murdering thieves.
Isn't AC the OG parryslop series? Or Batman did it first?
>>737514629>outsourceUbisoft IS india now
>>737512286remakes are supposed to look better...
>>737514110Short answer is, assuming you played >AC Director's Cut>AC2>AC Brotherhood at very least you should play >AC3 Revelations (+ DLC)The DLC in these, and all AC games is pretty important. As I recall the single player DLC is the Subject 16 Memories. Finishing Revelations will round out the Ezio titles. Then move onto>AC3 RemasteredWhich will finish the Desmond games saga and set up the rest of the Americas games. From there it depends what and how much you want to play. The rest of the Americas quad are>AC Liberation (Remastered)If you picked up AC3 remastered for the additional DLC and mechanics, it comes with this one>AC4 Black Flag OR maybe Black Flag Resynced >AC RogueAC3, Liberation, Black Flag, Rogue are the Americas games. Next comes the Euro duo >AC Unity>AC Syndicateand that finishes up "classic creed" in terms of game systems and the like. Then you have the NuCreed / Layla Trilogy >AC Origins>AC Odyssey>AC Valhalla and then >AC Mirage which is reminiscent both setting and style close to AC1 to a degree and is less RPG-y as the other NuCreed games, but you have to play after Valhalla or else certain shit won't make sense/spoiled. Then we finally have>AC Shadowswhich is sort of its own shitshow; the only one I've not finished as of yet.
>>737516526AC with the hidden blade is basically waiting for enemy to attack so you can kill them. Plenty of other weapons work like you'd expect, though. Kind of similar with Batman where you could wait for them to do something you can counter, or you can just kill them.
>>737516337Blame modern parryfaggots who think that pressing the block button is the greatest innovation in gaming.
>>737512286WOW LOOK AT THOSE COOL BIG ASS SPARKS THAT SHOW UP EVERY TIME BLADES CLASH OR A SHOT IS FIRED WOWOWOWOWOW MY ADHD BRAIN IS EATING GOOD CUZ
>>737516448Old goes before new, you stupid jeet. They turned off the blood so the video wouldn't be age restricted.
THIS PRODUCT HAS BEEN COMPLETELY ENSHITTIFIED
>>737517457Why the actual fuck would they get rid of the minimap?
>>737516448right looks better
>>737512286Because people who don't play games make them. They may have played them at one point and know the hits but its mostly the skin walkers in suits throwing money at shit thats trending
>>737513690brohood and revelations were peak asscreed combat with killchains being absolutely satisfyingthe rock paper scissors enemy system for the kenway games were a downgrade because they broke the flow
>>737515556Why did you post a clip of Dark Messiah? I thought we were talking about AC.
>>737517419>Old goes before newHoly fucking shit If only there were some sort of written string of letters inscribed on the image that would allow me to discern the intended order no matter the pattern. Updoot to you kind Redditor
>>737517457Just the other day I was talking to a faggot that hated minimaps so much he didn't like any game that has them. Can't please everyone
I’ll know my opinion when he uploads it.
>>737517832No need to announce your retardation.
>>737517832he will say the exact things I'm saying right now because he comes here for opinions
>>737517738That still doesn't change the fact that it's in the wrong order.
>>737517946 you don’t have a million subscribers.
Remaking a game just so that it's roughly the same experience is the biggest con these companies have pulled, and everyone who buys them is a retard.It's one thing to remake a game in a way that's actually different, like RE2R and FF VII Remake (for better or worse). Remaking anything from the PS3 era up is just ridiculous.
>>737518152https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XoyDqFy5pU
>>737518465https://youtu.be/6jQkxsEbnS4?si=E0niRnagL9YeQyKI
Honestly - I'm just gonna buy the original. I haven't played it since it came out on console (not mine) and all this talk about it is making me want to play it again.https://youtu.be/0RhXuqdQYHI?si=svSpl3PmyKm-X8Dh
>>737512286Those parry animations looks so bad
>>737512286>made the combat less cinematic and more like the nu-AC-games despite the combat still being piss-easyWhy? Does Ubishit not understand that people liked the combat being all flashy and “realistic”, they just wanted it to be more challenging.
>>737512286Aside of normies who are still buying ubislop?
>>737518410Yeah I agree, however people seem to want these ps3 era remakes, the last of us was the only one that got everyone saying it was unnecesary, meanwhile other remakes like dead space and now black flag are getting mostly positive opinions
>>737518981all they need are normies to buy it. normies outnumber people who visit /v/ easily
>>737518941>doesn't have magic abilities like teleporting to enemiesIts not Nu-AC at all.
>>737518981>>737519201>normies Return to Reddit
>>737513690KINOOOOOOOOOOO
>>737519395Pure dogshit and kino at the same time. How did they do it?
>>737514757>Do you have any examples?Soulslikes. The only combat style zoomers care about.
>>737519579The only good Soulslikes are Japanese.
>>737515556>>737515562The combat to these games were never amazing but they were more about a power fantasy is what I always thought. Also that webm is funny I can't hate on the game for that. Just take it for what it is. The newer games have no excuse for their clearly lazy rushed design.
>>737512286Only AC origins had good combat.
>>737512286>ass creedI forgot that shit existed, fuck you for reminding me.
AC combat was always just bamham shit. Nobody cared.Black Flag was for sailing and shanties.https://youtu.be/XriL1z1xElE?si=0N52TQgOtNSVr1j8
>>737517457>oh noes a compass!!>minimaps are totally ok though and totally don't clutter the screen while holding your little girl handit's like saying it's less gay to get fucked in your mouth instead of your ass
>>737512286>shitvsfart.webmkekit really do be like that the novelty of AC games wore off really quickly for me
>>737512286Instead of bitching about the reamake why don't you just play the original that works perfectly fine?
>>737512286Both look like absolute dogshit.
>>737521274Compasses are literal screen bloat by definitionA minimap stays in your peripheral vision and does not ever distractA compass does everything opposite of that. It invades the playable space and provides 0 useful information.
>>737513690It was incredibly fun, it looked great, and it made you feel like a highly trained assassin when you knock out 8 combos in a row to kill a ggroup. So yeah, it did a great job at what it was trying to do
>>737514212Well everything western sucks, including the people. Man, imagine being such a fucking loser like you that you only go as far as talking about combat. Get on my level kid
>>737521962>hurr durr am too returded to find my way without a map>gameplay? I look at the minimap 90% of the timecope harder
>only have AC1 on my steam accountGoddamn, I ignored this series hard besides borrowing Odyssey once and I fuckin hated it. People say AC2 and the spinoffs + AC4 were the really good ones, right?
>>737522271>that slow that he hasn't realized it's about screen clutter Estrogen's fucking with your brains, emily
>>737522184>wait for enemy to attack>press button, win>wait for enemy to attack>press button, win>wait for enemy to attack>press button, win
>>737521106>bamhamKill yourself
>>737522503blow me, cunt.
>>737522416>man I sure love taking huge fucking dildos right up my ass while I look at what only I believe to be a clutterfree screenkys faget
>>73752266941% status emily?
>>737517457a compass is fine. fuck looking at 10% of the screen (and off center) for most of the time you play one of these games. with a compass you get less precise information so you actually have to look around in the 3D environment, not navigate a 2D maze in the bottom left corner. at least in theory.of course they'll probably fuck it up and render anything relevant straight through walls so you still don't have to use your brain and take in the environment! but at least you won't be stuck looking into a corner, that's still an improvement.
>>737515556Wtf i want to play the original now
>>737513690AC4 was pretty decent, but the emphasis is all on ship combat anyway.
>>737522840With a compass you just rotate the camera while staring at it until it aligns with the icon you want to go to. It's even more retarded and actually incentivizes you to do nothing but stare at the hud whole game.
>>737522840Highly agree with this. Minimaps are shit and you end up navigating while looking at it instead of at the game itself.>>737523031Is retarded.The game will be shit for other reasons and I will not buy it but compass >>>>>>>> minimaps
You only like compasses because of Skyrim.
>>737517457This is basically just the modern Asscreed UI post Origins.
Where did parrying go?Why was it completely replaced by perfect guarding?Is it Sekiro's fault?
>>737522417You left out the actual best part. But, that could be said about any game
>>737512286Original AC4 has forced 60Hz locked from the engine and can't be turned off. It's incredibly nauseating and if they fix this shit the remake will have some purpose.
>>737517457We called this the Skyrim compass, back in my day.
>>737513690/v/ certainly seems to think so with the way Crimtroon Desert has been glazed and shilled here nonstop
>>737514267No one cares who you are, "NTA" fag
>>737512286Ubishit really did a edo tensei on ASsCreed 4.
I never played Black Flag but I am going to just pirate the original when I get around to finally trying it out. Modern Ubisoft is shit and does not deserve any support.
>>737522417>casualfag doesn't know about chain killsThe most casual game for casualfags and they still don't know how to play it.Chain kill animations is the only reason to play ass creeds.
