How the fuck did DS manage to compete with PSP? It was objectively inferior to a system that could run GTA on a go
Touchscreen before iphone
>>737519921Using touch when you have physical buttons is always a gimmicksee Vita, Switch and 'Eck
>>737520006While true it was a novelty at the time. It came bundled with a Prime Hunters tech demo that used the stylus for aiming, which felt more next-gen than what was on the PSP, which was mostly just PS2 games but slightly worse-looking.
>>737519765Pokemon and Nintendogs.
>>737520006Trust me. It was the Touch Screen. Every child saw that and was like :OEvery adult saw that and went :Oexcept my father's friend who had just gone to a press conference in the US and showed me the first iPhone he brought back with him and said "this is better".But regardless touch was new. There were those HTC flipphones with QWERTY keyboards and styluses too but those were luxury items for "rich" guys.
>>737520087still has smaller lower resolution screens and shit 3d capabilities. it doesn't even look cooler than the psp
>>737520006Nintendo sooner dropped the 3D gimmick than the touch gimmick.
>>737520145I can understand /vp/ but>Nintendogswho gave a shit about Nintendogs?
DS was probably easier to develop games for.The PSP was trying to be a portable version of a home console, and so every game on it felt like something that was half-baked in comparison to anything on the PS3.Looking back, I'm glad I got a DS instead of a PSP, the games were better (Castlevania, Mega Man ZX, Mario Kart).
>>737519765PSP had no games. Much like the Vita later on. Sony never understood the handheld market and how to support handhelds successfully.
>>737520294girlseveryone really, but definitely girls
>>737520231It was also cheaper and had more normalfag games like those brain training games and Nintendogs. It was kind of like how the Wii outsold the 360 and the PS3 despite being a terrible console.
>>737520294Nintendogs sold more than the entire Metroid IP.
>>737520370>PSP had no gamesGTA? God of War? PSX ports? System had more than enough games >>737520404Right, how could I forget about themmakes sense desu>>737520338>DS was probably easier to develop games for.I don't think that it was easier to make software for a platform that had two different screens with different resolutions
>>737520294Nintendogs is why the doge meme exists
>>737519765Ds was half the price and had Pokémon
>>737519765PSP was riddled with issues that didn't get resolved until like 3000 model.
>>737520709such as?
>>737520709>3000 modelI'm pretty sure it's the model that actually had technical issues 1000s and 2000s were fineGo was cool too
>>737520756I have the 3000 model. never had an issue.and I still use it to this day.the thing I would complain is not having bluetooth.
>>737520734>>7375207561000 was ejecting UMDs like ninja stars and had all sorts of issues like any other gen 1 product.2000 fixed most of it but had a bad screen that was very ghosty and bad for 2d games.3000/GO fixed nearly everything it has better screen, battery cover doesnt fall out, and more.
>>737520865>never had an issue.iirc screen ghosts like hell>the thing I would complain is not having bluetooth.How common was bluetooth at the time anyway? I remember it getting first audio devices only in late 2000s/early 2010s Sound quality must've been pretty awful, iirc BT module in PS3 can't even support headphones because of old BT's limitations
>>737519765Unironically by appealing to normalfags. They repeated the strategy with Wii.
>>737521119I distinctly remember 3000 being the one with ghosting issuesafter googling feels like a Mandela effect
>>737521119Holy shit I think you might be retarded
>>737520734
>>737521023>>737521156>>737521258>iirc screen ghosts like hellno that's the 1000. 1000 and 2000 low bright backlight it was good for it's time. even replacement screens are not recommended for the 3000 because there's no much difference.oh yeah I remember the shuriken psp meme>Sound quality must've been pretty awful,no idea. I use a $6 heaphones and is good enough. the psp has very good analog audio tho. I don't even care about modding bt in because lag.about the ps3. BT works fine. problem most of the times were the headphones themselves. most of them being 2.0 aka trash.
>>7375212472000 definitely had the ghosting. its instantly noticeable in any 2d game the sprites are trailing like crazy motion blur. 3000 had the mode where you can swap to a wider color space, it had the better screen.>>737521249You're retarded jit.
>>737519765The DS was a cheap console. No working class mother was buying their kid a PSP. Games on the DS were cheaper too.It's been proven time and time again that consoles win on price, not power.
>>737519765>How the fuck did DS manage to compete with PSP?It actually didn't. The PSP was more popular. Nintendo consoles are and were ALWAYS the safe choice. Guess who's buying the actual console in the store?>the kids>the parents of the kidsParents ALWAYS pick the safe choice.
>>737521217>by appealing to normalfagsI'm pretty sure Sony was trying to do the same with UMD filmsThing is that Wii's victory is more of a Wii Sports victory
>>737521318>the psp has very good analog audio thowell yeah would be weird for it to be shittyPSP was advertised as "Walkman of the 21st century"
>>737520519>Nintendogs sold more than the entire Metroid IP.Weren't there tons of nintendogs + console bundles? Are those included?
>>7375213181000 & 2000 had meh screens. 3000 and up is when they finally made it ok. The PSP OS literally wont let you use the better color mode if you're on a old model.
>>737519765psp had moving parts, it was noisy and just not a good piece of hardware to actually use
>>737521537the vita was a lot better, huge improvement
>>737521536>The PSP OS literally wont let you use the better color mode if you're on a old model.Thank God for homebrew scene
>>737521469>PSP was advertised as "Walkman of the 21st century"And that was true?It was the multimedia machine in your hands. It was the smart phone before smart phones existed. And it played actual games not mobile phone slop.
>>737521417this. plus it had backwards compatibility with gba games so it kept those fans hooked. the wireless online features were also a great thing
>>737521572>And that was true?Anon I'm not saying that it was falseadvertising
>>737521563its only useful for plugging the psp into the tv on those models. it makes colors worse on the actual old screen.
>>737519765A few factors>DS was cheaper>DS games were more portable.>DS didn't break as easy if droppedPSP was the superior handheld. However it had its own problems>Ran unsigned code and was a pirates dream but also meant a lot of piracy was going down and people weren't buying shit>exclusives were usually ported to PS2 anyways so not much reason to buy a new console for most of their games.>Games are kinda a pain to take with you>Batery life sucked.Make no mistake, it sold over 80 million units, it was far from a failure.Most people owened both... which was kinda the first time that became a normal thing since for the longest time it was people owned one console or the other.
>>737519765The original DS looks like trash kek.DS lite and DSi are kino tho
>>737521573>the wireless online features were also a great thingWasn't that exclusive to DSi models?
>>737521609>>Ran unsigned code and was a pirates dream but also meant a lot of piracy was going down and people weren't buying shitWhy are you pretending R4s didn't exist?
>>737521609>>Ran unsigned code and was a pirates dream but also meant a lot of piracy was going down and people weren't buying shithow the fuck does this affect me, the consumer, who gets to play all the games for free? also >>737521710
>>737521687No.
>>737521572imo it was. I played it a lot of anime, movies and music on it and for for years I used to travel on bus 5hours every weekend.undeclock mod was a life saver. all the media playback is done by chips so it could play videos, music and ps1 games even at 60mhz. That shit extended the battery a lot of hours.
>>737521609The price is a bigger deal than zoomers probably think, games were still for children when the ds came out so some kids mom wasn't likely to want to spend $250 on a game boy
>>737519765Tb.h both are very very good. You need to have both.
>>737521710the psp was a better GBA than all the gameboys.
>>737521778>undeclock mod was a life saver. all the media playback is done by chips so it could play videos, music and ps1 games even at 60mhz.Damn I didn't know about this.I bet the whole PSP hacking scene taught a bunch of boys A LOT about computers. Hardware and software.
>>737521823>You need to have both.DS emulation is actually pretty good on Vita these days, might just get one and play everything kek>Tb.hTbh with capital-T isn't filtered
>>737521871>Tbh with capital-T isn't filteredThanks mate!
>>737521609>DS didn't break as easy if droppedBullshit, every DS model was notrious for having hinges that break easily. The DS won because it was much cheaper than the competition.>Batery life suckedThe PSPs shitty battery sadly mogs every major handheld out today.
>>737519765Nintendo was very good at releasing new models of the DS to cut off PSP's big new announcements, which is why the DS had so many models.
>>737521871>DS emulation is actually pretty good on Vita these days, might just get one and play everything kekI myself own a PSP, a Vita OLED, DS Lite and N3DS XL. Also Steam Deck and PC and a bunch of consoles but who cares
>>737519765The DS had way more real games>Could play eurotrash on the goWow.
>>737522019>GTA>eurotrash
>>737522017>DS Lite and N3DS XLusecase for DS when you have 3DS?
>>737522019Don't make this about games man. We all know that both systems have a shit ton of good games worth playing.
>>737519765I think it largely just comes down to the pokemon fambase being that large and influential. Almost everyone I knew who bought a Nintendo handheld did so almost purely for Pokemon. They played other games on them too, of course, but those games aren't what motivated their purchase.The DS is also a pretty decent handheld in general, to be clear. I enjoyed more games on the PSP, but the best DS games are really good.
>>737519765Handhelds are dead.
>>737522087Better screen scaling, ebussy
>>737522123What's the battery life for chinkshit handhelds emulating GBA games?
>>737522087Have you seen how shitty DS games look on the 3DS?
>>737521870yeah. there's a lot of stuff. besides the usual emulatorsautomute plugin - muted the psp if you disconnected the heaphones.hold plugin - blocked the buttons, turned off the screen while listening music and underclock too. it had hotkeys a wellmp3play lite plugin - can play music while playing games.and there's nice apps like fusa gamepad. lets you use the psp as a direct input joystick when is conected as usb.the scene is still doing one or 2 things form time to time. recently got a port of GTA3, vice city and Streetfighter 3rd stike. via recomp.I'm still waiting for F-zeroX because the n64 emu can't run it well.
>>737522216>Have you seen how shitty DS games lookYea
>>737521710Cause R4 was ass and had a mechanism to stop working after a certain date and a lot of the by pass methods were "meh".I did have a card that let me play MP4s I'd watch porn on my DS with though.>>737521790Yeah, and PSP didn't drop too much in price until 2007 when it dropped to $169.Keep in mind a PSP was $250 at a time where a PS2 was $149 brand new. A lot of poor fag kids just stuck with PS2. When it finally dropped to $169 the ps2 dropped to $129 brand new.The price drop was when I finally got a PSP, but the PSP was seen as a VERY expensive handheld that was at the power of a ps 1.5 but cost more than a PS2.And would you wanna risk taking something like that on the go and potentially losing or damaging it?
>>737521823>Tb.h both are very very good. You need to have both.this
>>737520294Nintendogs sold 24 million copies, my dude.
>>737519765The DS had a shitload of VN's and puzzle games which are extremely popular with women (the main demographic of video games since about 2007).
>>737519765it's pretty simple. at the time it was PS2 vs gamecube and most people went for PS2 because they wanted the "grown up games" and nintendo was "kiddie games". however there was a huge part of the population who just likes "kiddie games" and they flocked to the DS. the PSP was expensive and UMDs and memorysticks were expensive as shit. PSP has proprietary memory "sticks" for you all you zoomers, it was about 4x the price of regular flash storage and it only went up to like 8GB or something. they made chink adapters later on but at first you were just stuck with the one option sony made for you. DS required no external storage thus it was a much cheaper product
>>737522396PSP had a shitton of VN's too, maybe even more than the DS, but I suppose they mainly appealed to men/otaku
>>737522334>and had a mechanism to stop working after a certain dateCan we fucking STOP with the "timebomb" meme. The "timebomb" message was ALWAYS skipable. Always always always.It was just a stupid way to get your lazy ass to download the newest firmware for the R4 to get the newest compatibility stuff.ITWASNEVERMEANTTOBRICKYOURCARTSand it never did.
>>737519765Same reason the Gameboy outsold the Game Gear. Better games
>>737519765Touchscreen novelty + cheaper + Nintendo IPs
>>737522373>Nintendogs sold 24 million copies, my dude.Little girls and soccermoms
I feel like the two were never pitted against eachother ir compared back then. Am I crazy? They were both just awesome. DS was for pokemon and Mario kart and psp had porn and movies and monster hunter
Chinatown Wars shits all over the PSP GTA ports btw
I bought a used 3DS years ago for 50 bucks.Turned out it wasn't actually "used". The kid took a handful of pictures with the camera of him and probably his grandparents, played for 10 minutes and never touched it again.Best purchase of my life.
>>737521978You aren't wrong. But I'm talking dropping from the closed position and parents point of view.>PSP battery life mogs moder consoles3 to 6 hours, so same as a switch 1.The difference now is carrying a powerbank is normal. Carrying a powerbank then wasn't.Had there been some powerbank accessory that was portable it may have changed some things.Thing is, everyone including myself just carried a charger and plugged into a wall. Battery life sucked but wasn't the end of the world
>>737519765It was the last resort of the japanese small companies, far away from the Cell trash.All the cool small games belong to the DS.
>>737522096>both systemsThe DS crushed it in terms of sheer quantity.
>>737522587huh? the ds was a direct response to the pspthat's why the gba had such a short life
>>737519765>le graphics XDYour kind would never get it
>>737522587>DS was for pokemon and Mario kart and psp had porn and movies and monster hunterI take porn and monster hunter over pokemon any day
>>737522183A lot of them can do 10+ hours for GBA games. More important than that though, I've turned one of mine on after a year and the battery is still green. Just like old times with the DSLite.Modern handhelds go from a full charge to dead in a couple of weeks of not using them. I've not played on my Swich Lite for years because any time I did feel like playing it the battery was dead.
>>737522462>Stop with the timebomb memeBut it did do it though. Lol. I had an R4 for 3ds. >It never bricked your cartsIt didn't it just stopped working.
More affordable hardware and better games
>>737522636we have gta3 and vice city>>737522659if you played ps1 it could even be 10hours. those games didnt need much processor due being semi emulated
>>737522817>It didn't it just stopped working.If you were too retarded to update your firmware, you could always just turn back the time in the calendar like a caveman
>>737522216No, I always played on retro-gtk
>>737522649I've never felt more like a neckbeard then when I was going around used tech stores and asking them to power up a New 3DS XL so I could check the panels.
>>737522123switch is more like 2-3 for any of the full 3d games it tries to run at 20fps
>>737522752>Modern handhelds go from a full charge to dead in a couple of weeks of not using themhow modern is Vita? I remember one time starting it after months of having it inactive and the thing had like 30% left. Played Lumines immediately
>>737522396>VNsPSP had a shitton of thoseI don't /jp/ but the number of them was insane when I looked for "must-play" lists>PuzzlesLumines, anyone?
>>737522413>PSP has proprietary memory "sticks" for you all you zoomersMemory Sticks were a competing standard with SDs. Proprietary? Sure, but not completely proprietary if you had Sony tech (unlike garbage on Vita)
>>737522413The PS2 won because it was cheap and the DS won because it was cheap. That's it.
>>737522716DS could barely handle 3D games
>>737523519See? You still don't get it
>>737523629I want to play games in three dimensions
>>737522659that's the most disingenuous graphic i've ever seen. >$120 dockyeah its fucking included in the price >voice requires sub>emulation requires sub yeah so its already established you have to pay a few bucks a month for stuff >$90 controllers >bring anything you want you can literally bring anything you want to the swtich too. some shit might require a dongle but a lot of shit just plugs right in and works the battery life is a complete joke on both sides it just depends what you're using it for midna porn... not yet
>>737523803Stop being a tendie once. Not this time not this thread.
>>737523803>>voice requires sub>>emulation requires sub >yeah so its already established you have to pay a few bucks a month for stuffso you don't need voicechat nor /vr/?
>>737520006You mean VitACK
>>737525193Vita means life
>>737525370Ok, then Sony snuffed the vita out of the vita. Unless you think it was a best seller compared to the PSP.
>>737525436The Vita identifies as a 100M unit seller
