Why is Persona 1 and 2 considered the worst in the series when usually the first 2 games in a franchise are considered the best?
Persona started at 3.
Persona 3 and 4 are actually the worst, but the remakes are fixing that.
>>737520526ironically because of the gameplay
>>737520641for me it's Yuko
>>737520728https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY73_oIyfmA
>>737520728For me it’s rise. I like naoto too but I don’t want to cuck kanji.
>>737520526The gameplay is pretty bad.
>>737520526I've never played any of the nu-Persona games (1-5) and played P1 for the first time last year. Easily the worst SMT game I've played thus far.
>>737522205Is Marie worth it im still in the beginning so im thinkin either her the goth or Chie
>>737522409Personally I’ve never romanced Marie so idk
>>737523037Persona-lly you mean?
>>737520526devil may cry 3sonic 3mario bros 3
>>737523873Hitman is also an example of this since the first couple games are garbage eurojank with the worst stealth gameplay
>>737520526Persona 2 (Part 1 & 2) is pretty good and not just because of Hitler, i liked the idea of rumors becoming real if spread enough and while the premise wasn't wasted i also think they didn't play with it enoughI think it deserves a proper remake with gameplay closer to the newer games, but maybe not social links
>>737524794Social links and the time management shit of Nusona games wouldn't work since all of 2 happens over the course of a day or two. It's probably why they won't remake it. Because what the modern Nusona YouTube watcher expects is not what they'll get.
>>737520656This. The dungeon system made the game 100% unplayable
>>737524794Mark seems like a cool guy
>>737520526P1 and P2 came out when Atlus was in an experimental phase trying out a bunch of different ideas to figure out where to go for the entire Megaten franchise going forward. The ideas they came up with for P1 and P2 were actually complete ass. It took them until the PSP port of P2EP to make something that was actually playable.By the time P3 came out they just made it a more casualized version of press turn and built on that.
Persona 1 and 2 are just SMTPeople who like SMT will like persona 1 and 2But the majority of people love their gay little love story social links which is why there's a big divide between persona players and SMT playersBasically two different genres of game
the P2 games are really half-baked gameplay-wise. the combat is boring, negotiation is boring and reminds me of FF8 drawing + simon says, and there's no fusion
>>737520526Because Persona 3-5 has mass appeal while 1 & 2 is more like a niche subgenre of JRPG. Most fans of 3-5 won’t be into it therefore it’s worse to them
persona 1 has the best atmosphere and arguably the best setting
>>737520526P1 and P2 are SMT games, so SMT games cannot be the best Persona games. You're welcome
>>737520526Persona 2 has the most dogshit battle system I've ever played in a JRPG. It is not even an age issue, because a good deal of the snes and ps1 era SMT games are still solid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDycXD2d324Persona 2 Boss Theme PSP Remix............KINO
>>737525898By that logic P3 and P4 are SMT games too.
>>737526337Sure, if you want to count them because of the 4kids dub thing. I don't consider either to be the best Persona game, anyway. It's Persona 5. :)
>>737524794Fuck remakes, I don't want newfaggots and their shitty opinions near my old games. Fatlus ignoring them is the best case for all involved.
>>73752566395 japan sounds pretty sick but the gameplay looks really bad
>>7375205262 is genuine garbage. The story and characters are interesting, but actually playing the game is so fucking awful. I would never tell anyone to play it themselves because every part of playing the game is absolutely tedious.On the other hand, 1 is great and easily in the top half of the series.
>>737522205but you'll cuck Rise's manager?
Which protag is the best
>>737520526Because newfags want to romance their social links instead of kill demons. 1 and 2 are great if you actually like RPGS
>>737520526because those kids never even heard of the series until 3.Persona 1 is one of the games i played while waiting for FF7 to come out in English.it's pretty great.an RPG set in modern day, especially back then, was an incredibly rare thing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJfIFzAKR7k
>>737520526Persona 1 and 2 are considered the worst in the series because the people who make "Persona games from worst to best" youtube videos either haven't played them or played them for ten minutes and dropped them after realizing they're not like P3-5.
>>737524794the gameplay turns what could have been a decent game into complete trash. I don't think I've ever played a shittier rpg system than Innocent Sin.It's genuinely atrocious.
>>737520526Because playing them is a complete fucking slog.
>>737530591have YOU fucking played Persona 2? Because 3-5 have problems, but at least the gameplay isn't actual hell
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>>737530735cutscene girl
>>737520526Persona 1 is almost decent, but Persona 2's gameplay and demon/persona recruiting mechanics is probably on par with Final Fantasy 8's Junctioning system as one of the worst, most grindy systems to ever hit a JRPG. Ultimately what makes them both suffer is the fact that their stories are horribly paced, being pretty much a thinly-veiled excuse of a delivery mechanism for its """"gameplay"""". Persona 2's story is especially bad considering it HEAVILY drops the ball on what should have been an incredibly easy pass-up into a slam dunk on its themes and concept, only to trip over its own shoelaces in story and gameplay execution. The only thing good that came out of either one of them honestly was Persona 1's PSP OST being absolute bangers all the way through.
>>737520526Who considers those the best? Fucking basement dwellers?
>>737520526Many people get filtered by 1 which is the best like >>737522293 these sorts of retards2 is just awful though, both of them
>>737530694NTA but how bad is the gameplay?
>>737530348Tatsuya
>>737528893its totally fine for a dungeon crawler
>>737530629nigga 3-5 takes hours before it even lets you in the "game" proper
>>737530802>Persona 1's PSP OSTFaggots continue to have extremely putrid taste
>>737530735there's something really gritty and sharp about the art style compared to the other personas but i'd go with lisa
Because tourists only know persona 3-4-5
>>737530735wife
>>737530856Hyper contrarian take, I completed P1 to completion, it wasn't even hard, just bad.
>>737524794Any remake would be handed to the people who did P3R and after how badly they raped P3 with that I don't want them touching the classic Persona games at all. What the old Persona games deserve are proper PC ports (preferably of the PS1 versions) with better English translations, and maybe an optional rebalance of Innocent Sin to make the last third or so less insufferable>>737530694>have YOU fucking played Persona 2?Yeah, but that has nothing to do with what I said in that reply. Even if the classic Persona games were total shit, these people's opinions would be still meaningless because they don't actually know shit about them>>737530735Maya Amano paizuri
>>737520526Almost no one played them.I don't get what this board's hateboner is for 2, IS is easy, but its still enjoyable to play, meanwhile EP is just the best Persona game, absolute peak story, the gameplay is challenging and the combat being on permanent auto battle that you have to manually pause during one of your turns to change commands is unique in a good and interesting way like the AI party in 3.
>>737530802>Persona 1's PSP OSTis a goddamn travesty compared to the original.67 tracks vs 136.
>>737530976>just bad>b-but I finished itYou're just a faggot
>>737520664>Zoomers can't into RPGs if they don't involve jiggling tits, spastic menus, and anime squealing narratorsIt's default gameplay how the hell can you find it bad
>>737530802shit taste
>>737530918That's because Kzuma Kaneko was the main artist instead of Soejima, and the tone was still very SMT
>>737530874it's painfully easy, as in pokemon levels. Honestly probably worse. It's just completely braindead. No balancing whatsoever. I never struggled in any fight and the game gives you enough healing items and full restore points to make the dungeons basically just unfun, long, sequences of you spamming attacks on the weak ass enemies. Bosses are pushovers too on top of this.Getting Demon? HAVE FUN GRINDING CARDS FROM RANDOM BATTLES. You won't need them anyway.It's been a little over half a decade since I tried it so I can't tell you much more about the specifics, but I've played so many subpar, noname, JRPGs and even I couldn't stand Innocent Sin past the 3rd dungeon. just awful.I don't know if its sequel is any better.
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>>7375311136 should be in the 2000s again
>>737531147kek
>>737531045nta but I take quality over quantity. PS1 OST has fuck ton of tracks, but most of them are really forgettable imo. PSP, on the other hand, has a banger after bangerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqwOddj-opYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTSFyORPu0shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrcuIHp4rH0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrJZPDsBCK0
>>737531318>quality over quantity>School DaysNothing says quality like a track so abusive I knew it wasn't supposed to be there without even knowing the OST was fucked with.Go kill yourself.
>>737531318https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7xSRNQ8DPYPersona 1 fans :
>>737530735UlalaMayaYukinoTrishJun's momAnnaThe crazy conspiracy schizo chick whose name I don't rememberI don't remember that girl with the drills in the P1 uniform at all
>>737530735P2 maki is extremely cute. it's a shame she's barely in the games.
>>737531082General audiences do not like JRPGs and are attracted to the modern Persona trilogy for the style and life sim aspects. P5 looking / sounding as good as it did basically tricked a bunch of normalfags that normally get scared by JRPG mechanics into playing a JRPG and really liking it. That's also why so many people who claim to be Persona fans refuse to play P3 and P4 and rejoiced when their respective remakes are announced. Those remakes imitate P5 in every way they can and thus give those people enough nice graphics to ignore the fact that they don't actually like the core gameplay. You can imagine that the kind of person who was scared off of P3 and P4 because they don't flash enough colors in their face to make them ignore the gameplay would be even more put off by P1 and P2, which not only don't have that same presentation style but also have almost nothing in common with the modern games mechanically besides the JRPG mechanics these people have to ignore.
>>737531427>school days>badshitposter be gone
>>737520526They’re not the first persona games, the first ones are mainline shin megami tensei.
>>737531227same. I love the 2000s. especially 2000s Japan. one of the reasons why Persona 3 is the best game in the series. that decade is just perfect for cool teenage stories with a relatable school setting and themes tied to it. the series kept going forward timeline-wise with each game. it would be cool if Persona 6 took place in the past. 2001 or 2006 would be kino
>>737531062Unironically fucking tell me what makes P1 special at all:>brain dead easy>persona system is needlessly convoluted with little reward>psp version (which i played) has ass soundtrack>characters are barely even 1 dimensional, there's literally famicom rpg's with more character depth>random battles coming out your ears>kaneko's weakest character designsIt SUCKS
EP sucks because they took the chatty lovely party member from IS and made her a silent protag. The game suffers for it and gains nothing.
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>>737531227It might be cool for them to make P6 a period piece.
>>737531789It gains speaking biker Chadsuya
>>737531750I keep thinking of a funny hypothetical sequel where you're a japanese foreign exchange student in a private american high school and they come up with whatever bullshit they think of from stereotypes
>>737531318The PSX P1 soundtrack might be the best soundtrack in the whole series. I can't believe you would say something so incorrect.I think the PSX games are overrated by people on forums with a chip on their shoulder about their unpopularity, but the P1 soundtrack is endless jam after jam.
>>737526035>Every fight is brain dead easy>Even boss fights are just mindless sand-bags>Constant random encounters every couple steps (might be worse than Persona 1's encounter rate, not too sure)>Combat is a million times slower than P1 because it has to play all the little animations/quips>Trying to farm cards to get other personas just fucking sucks in every wayI like the presentation more, the sheer amount of banter and extra dialogue between the cast is fun, and the story is more intriguing than P1, but good god it's agony actually playing it. P1's combat wasn't spectacular either, but at least it was just 'tolerable' and didn't take forever.
I'm coming around to P1 being better than P2. Like yeah it's mindless gun spam but so are SMT1 and 2 and people love those.Also the Snow Queen Quest kicks ass.
>>737531763>brain dead easyjust like ur mom>needlessly convolutedonly if you have brain damage>PSP remake has ass OSTyeah>character complaintsmeanwhile every new game is just Junpei/Akihiko/Mitsuru clones over and over lmao>encounter ratewelcome to '90s JRPGs>Kaneko's weakestthat's Devil Summoner
>>737531318This fucking anon gets it. P1's PSP OST is fucking legendary. Whenever people post P1's PS OST, I genuinely scratch my head and think "Why the fuck did you even want to listen to this IN context, let alone out of it?"Fucking just LISTENhttps://youtu.be/CyX0Qz8V6zc?si=_PRFQpDm0uIeQYQyhttps://youtu.be/-VzrvJu_oHA?si=ZRxAJ6ECtnZcgVQUEven the tracks that are remixed from the original sound better with the new instrumentation.https://youtu.be/c_Kyku9ubKY?si=HkMBDUkVdHwGrHd7https://youtu.be/sjr9izfitVw?si=q6fBjfv3M3yFuW6s
>>737520526>Why is Persona 1 and 2 considered the worst in the series when usually the first 2 games in a franchise are considered the best?The only people who consider them the worst are those who haven't played them (either those who literally didn't boot either of them up, or those who dropped one, the other or both after 5 minutes.)
>>737531852groomer
>>737531318>>737532365>This fucking anon gets it.Neither of you "get it", you unaborted fetuses.Your piece of shit pop-like OST DOES NOT FUCKING FIT PERSONA 1 AT ALL."The vibes" as you zoomers would call it are COMPLETELY off with those ridiculous pop tracks.
>>737532365>posting the PSP Pandora battle theme and saying it's betterRoom temperature IQ.Not only is the song total shit compared to the original, it's also an EXTREMELY short loop (just like every song in the PSP version) and will get on your nerves immediately, as will the dumb lyrics and choruses that you'll hear over and over again.How the FUCK can you think the new version is better than this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUjcsNDVCLc
>>737531615>badUtter dogshit*Every NPC faggot who likes the PSP OST posts the same 4 shit tier tracks that are putrid shit tier and were only inserted into the game to help you imagine social links that aren't there.Go kill yourself.
>>737532504>OST DOES NOT FUCKING FIT PERSONA 1 AT ALL.Yes, it does. The PS1 OST is just video game bleep bloop bing bing wahoo noise.
Now I think should really remake P1 just to piss off the autists here
the PS1 PSP experience>enter battleLIVE IS BALID MEMLIESSPIRIT SELF CONSCIOUSNESS I'M JUST LONE PLAYERCLEVELAND ON DA COAT RACK>you win!>back to world mapINSIDE I'MMA GOONINGDOSE BUTTERFRIES FRYIN OUT>random battle (every five steps)LIVE IS BALID MEMLIESSPIRIT SELF CONSCIOUSNESS>you win!>back to world mapINSIDE IMMA GOONINGDOSE BUTTERFRIES FRYIN OUT>another random battle
PERSONA 1 AND 2 ARE NOT PERSONA GAMES. ATLUS SHOULD RENAME THEM BECAUSE IT'S A GODDAMN INSULT TO 3-5 TO HAVE THESE KUSOGES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gALwHR3eBy0
>>737532638https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGC0RLwOb0w
>>737532719are you getting frustrated because nobody ever replies to this old ass bait?
>>737520526You have to be more patient with them and there’s no slinks to work as a breather. It also is “Persona” so megaten fans don’t bother. 1 and 2 duology are cool if they appeal to you.
>>737532504Don't bother arguing with retards
>>737531750That girl on the right reminds me of KH3 kairi
>>737532794>1 and 2 duologyBait.
goddamn i miss '97 when no one had ever even fuckin heard of the game.
>>737532850I preordered it at WaldenSoftware.
>>737532772>Bleep Bloop Bing Bing Wahoo Synth noises>This was somehow supposed to be a refutation.Like, if you wanna talk video game bleep bloop, P1 PS1 doesn't even rank in that category. Check this shit out from the Genesis. WAY before PS1https://youtu.be/oTQIiIKummw?si=mdjJUqr7ZEwKzBZZ
>>737532850>>737532901holy fuckin unc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDoPzEx5rjQ
@737532912abysmal bait bordering on incoherent babble
>>737530735>more Ulala fans than I expectedBased. I just saw she was a punchgirl with a tough girl persona and was sold pretty fast.
>>737532935you always know you really triggered a sperg when they pull the femoid passive aggressive non reply kek
>>737530735Elly. Not even a contest.
>>737530735Ms. Smith
I played P1 on my PSP years back, and while I think OST was 'decent' (despite the pitiful track lengths), listening to the original OST I find that the grittier soundtrack fits the tone of P1 better, even if some tracks do drag on a bit. If I ever decide to do the Snow Queen route I'll probably opt for finding a version of the PSP port with the PSX soundtrack patched in
Coincidentally I had a dream about Maya last night.We met up in an abandoned mall, some stranger appeared and handed us balloons and I immediately woke up after. I don't know what the fuck it means.
>>737533520Maya is only for Tatsuya.
>>737520526The story was fucking great, especially Persona 2's but the gameplay was so fucking bad I had to force myself to finish the games
>>737532912>can't describe anything except with "bleep bloop"learn what FM synthesis is, kidhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CR3yfusRQs
>>737520526>usually the first 2 games in a franchise are considered the best?>Devil May Cry>Final Fantasy>Mario>ZeldaIf anything the 2nd is usually the worst
3 and 4 are the worst, 5 somehow turned it around2 is probably the best
>>737533559I bet it was Nyarly that piece of shit would ruin my dream like that.
>>737533567Explain to me how simplified battle system which is secondary to a high school simulator that involved friends and pussy unlike your actual high school experience is superior gameplay please.
haven't played persona one but this nigga has a cool design with the beanie beads and skateboard
>>737532712You're supposed to mod the soundtrack back to the playstation soundtrack because that one is much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDNc0XKkg8UYou are then supposed to seethe that it's impossible to fully mod the PSP version's soundtrack because they removed triggers for tracks.
>>737533730Mark is black howeverthobiet.
>>737533780that's his persona just him but black because he's a wigga or chigga
>>737530735P1 Yukino and Ulala all the way>>737533008Why she's sexy I also like her as a character and her Personas are cool. In fact P1 and P2 Duology got the best Personas of the whole series.
>>7375205261 and 2 are for people who want to pretend they like SMT.
>>737533620>More bleep bloop garbageHere's another better song from the SNEShttps://youtu.be/v_KOzIpS-qc?si=FKiGZzLVufIXaZpS
>>737533723>Random encounters up the ass>The talking to the devil system was fucking dogshit>Animations were wayyy too fucking slow>Dungeons were too damn reptitiveAlso I think the game became just too easy after a certain point so all the random encounters were just wasting fucking time
i prefer black Mark.there, i said it.
>>737520526I consider 2 the best in the series.Niggers (P5 fans) please don't (you) me.
How would you remake the 1st game
>>737533954>mid '90s house and techno beats>"bleep bloop bing bing!!!!!"you're not old enough to communicate with me, son.
>>737531082P1 would unironically be better with basic gameplay. The grid system sucks cock
>>737534016Social Links and romance. Basically make it P5 and cut out all the faggy SMT legacy shit.
>>737534016Honestly I would just copy the battle system from P3 Reload, keep the story and maybe expand it just a bit in certain places, and completely scrap the Persona system for P3. Also just replace the soundtrack with more vocal soundtracks like the PSP one. I don't know why there's 1 autistic guy shitting the thread up, but anything to piss him off would be kino.
>>737534084baited no one award
>>737534058>*MY* Bleep bloop noises were inspired by beethoven!! How dare you!?Yeah, okay unc. Still sounds like video game meaningless and forgettable noise.
Who should I date in Persona 4? I originally was going to pick Marie but she turned out to be autistic. Probably just going to go with Chie because Im not meeting any new characters
>>737534170Worst girl in the game is Naoto so pick that one and keep your hands off of my real waifu.
>>737534204girl? I thought it was a dude.
>>737534145>born so far after the '90s, The Immortals might as well be as old as Beethovenyikes
>>737534237Also I thought he is my bet for being the murderer, Im only in July though so I dunno
>>737534016I wouldn't. Just play the PSX versions.>>737534080>anon got filtered by having to place maki in the back and everyone else in frontit's undercooked, but it's not bad
>>7375340163D models seem necessary.Side quest tracker.Toggle to switch between PSX and PSP soundtracks.Larger persona pool for the party to play with.Fusion Spells.Add black Mark and white Elly as special guest characters.
>>737534091soundtrack should make the songs edited with trip hop and electro beats since it's in the 90s like Silent Hill type shit. Actually they should just straight up hire Akira Yamaoka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUCi3DEEvlc&list=RDeUCi3DEEvlc&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAt02YId4ks&list=RDsAt02YId4ks&start_radio=1
>>737534016Give Chris a shirt.
>>737534362Don't forget SS Nate Higgers.
>>737534362>3D models seem necessaryespecially for the overworld.what a downgrade the PSP version was
>>737534438i can only imagine how badly the script was butchered by localizers
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>>737534016Run the PS1 version through a shitty AI upscaler, add a line at the end where somebody says, "Maybe the real personas were the friends we made along the way," so people will think it connects to the newer ones more, then price it at $60 and call it a day
>>737534471Whether he's white or a jap, our man says what he says.
>>737534298>>anon got filtered by having to place maki in the back and everyone else in front>filteredGenuinely I don't think it's POSSIBLE to get filtered in that game. I also put Maki in the back, and literally the ONLY battle in the game that gave me any difficulty was a single random battle where every enemy was perfectly positioned to hit a character they had a weakness too while also dodging every character that could actually hit them. They wiped out 4 of my characters, and I decided "fuck it, I'll just let Maki die and reload." 50 turns of auto-battle later, she was still fucking alive. She happened to be out of range of almost all the attacks except two, and she drained the element of the otherone, effectively becoming immortal. I just took it out of auto-battle, slowly brought my characters back up with Recarm, moved them around, finished the fight, and won. It didn't even cost me anything cause I just moved around a little bit, recovered MP, then hit a Mediaramma back to full health.The gameplay of P1, at best, is a light inconvenience, like a drizzle on a day without an umbrella.
>>737534298Maki is literally the easiest person to place, she can't even use her basic attack if she's not in the very back. You could have at least said Masao or something.
>>737534387>edited with trip hop and electro beats since it's in the 90s like Silent Hill type shit. Actually they should just straight up hire Akira YamaokaJesus Christ no. THAT would genuinely not fit in with P1 at all.
Am I the only one who thought the exp being distributed based on whether the character actually contributed something to the battle was kinda cool?
>>737534620>THAT would genuinely not fit in with P1 at all.good
>>737534641It's a unique idea but deeply flawed. If I have Maki in the back spamming heal spells, she is probably the one contributing the MOST to the party, but because she did the least/no damage, she gets almost basically nothing. Also makes it way harder if you need to grind a specific character who happens to be weak, which P1 narrowly avoids by being braindead easy except on the Snow queen fight. Just because you haven't seen it before doesn't mean it's a good idea.
>>737531082>>737534298LARPing zoomer pretends that Persona 1 and 2 aren't literal autobattlers to gain ecred on an anonymous forum for a game he obviously hasn't played. I hate reruns.
Every character being a wild card in 1 and 2 was fun. I enjoyed mixing and matching personas to fine tune my party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNV5zBxV-lQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ECY5Cd9JQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGqoPQZyUsk
>>737534851I'm being nitpicky here, but are they wild cards? Akechi could use multiple personas too, but I don't recall anyone referring to him as a wild card, only remarking that he's able to wield multiples personas like Joker.
>>737534851I liked that and the original idea for fusion spells. The closest I think Atlus came to swapping the party again was probably Persona Q and Metaphor, but fusion spells kept getting changed.
>>737534974>but are they wild cards?NTA, but I would say they weren't. Wild Card is specifically 0 because it is empty and can become anything, like the number 0, and 0 also represents the beginning of a journey. All of the cast members of 1 & 2 had specific Arcana assigned to them in general, like Maya being Lovers. Even Akechi was always Justice.But I get where he's coming from. Being able to swap to any persona being a Wild Card feature does stick out heavily, especially when Aigis gaining that power in Persona 3 FES The Answer changed her Arcana to Jester as well.
>>737534641It's fine if you go into it knowing how it works but it's too weighted towards damage, which means slow characters will naturally get fucked unless you specifically baby them. Someone going into P1 and not understanding will end up with a low level character, which brings your average level down, which will make it impossible to get new personas without having to set aside time to grind that character back up. Honestly I dislike Persona Rank more than the level system.
>>737535278I'm happy Persona Rank is gone. I know it's functionally the same as levels, but having to max out rank for mutations in 2 was annoying as fuck.
>>737520526They were just lame SMT. The introduction of waifu shit unironically have the series identity
Persona 3 had a lot of great new mechanics that have made the series incredible.That’s said, 2 is probably the best dungeon crawler ever fucking made. Did you know the dialogue for EVERY (like fucking 100) NPC changes after almost every dungeon? Not only that but the only thing it’s missing is drops, which it replaces with the magazine contest which is kinda fun because you can use Pixie and a luck grind to make it almost guaranteed. 1 is also good but it’s more fun replayed after several years with a different extra character, 2 is a game I can play constantly. I love when I get a brand new roll from the mags, some of the accessories are great.
PSP P1 OST is good as standalone music, Dream of Butterfly is my favorite track, if they ever remake P1 they should keep it that one, the issue is that most tracks don't fit the atmosphere. PS1 OST nails it and having exclusive tracks for Persona awakening, pre-battle theme and battle outro gives it more dynamism.
>>737534808>Capitalizing larperAnon, you are the zoomers...
>>737535715I really like the awakening track on the PS1 version, and it's a shame most people won't even know it exists.
>>737520526I'm still on the first one and it's okay...I wish I had Ellen in my party though instead of BRAD
>>737520526FUCK HAREM QUEENS PALACE
>>737535446For me it was really just that having to spam skills with everyone made battles feel like a chore. It's like I'm doing busy work on top of the normal encounters just to make the Personas usable.
>>737520526Persona 1 is fine, Innocent Sin is one of the worst games Atlus has made and Eternal Punishment is an improvement but not enough of one to redeem the duology overall.
>>737524794It is a good premise, but it's also a testament to how dull and mindnumbing Innocent Sin is that it takes such a good premise and implements it in some interesting ways and still results in something so unpleasant to play. It's not just the gameplay, which is awful, but the narrative is both poorly told and often has poor ideas in the first place as well. Even if the novelty of the absurd situation is underpinning the whole thing seems like a good thing, it doesn't do nearly enough to justify the frontfacing aspects of the game.
HEARTBEAT HEARTBREAK
>>737532508never played persona before but that sounds like actual shit dude
>>737530802Vagrant Story has an even worse leveling system
>>737520526The average gamer knows nothing about them.
>>737530735Drills....
>>737520526P1 and P2 are just basic MT spinoff games like Soul Hackers without much unique identity. It's really not that they're bad; they just aren't worth separating out.
>>737520526Zoomers hate old games, in reality they are better than what came next
>>737520526Nobody has played them because they're old and therefore unplayable
>>737540723but the first 2 games are lowkey ass
wtf is he doing to Teddy
Do uncs really think anyone gives a shit about the Persona duology?
>>737520641*died and got replaced with normie simulator
>>737530735crazy(fun) with sunglasses on the middle left for me
Mildly good stories just with shit gameplay but persona 1's snow queen quest trumps whatever they did after that.
>>737525141SMT is just pokemon but edgy when you really think about it.
>>737530348My girl Maya.
>>737522293>nu-Persona games>(1-5)what?
>>737534170Rise when she shows up
>>737545625Maya is the worst protagonist by a significant margin. She's fine as part of the main cast, but when she's actually the protagonist she doesn't speak for no good reason at all, so you have to pretend she's still the same outspoken and energetic character they try to express her as physically even though she barely says a word.
>>737545779>he doesn't like silent protagonists you can self-insert into
>>737530735Judeo-financed, gook-lectured artist trying to push over yamato, fuck that Korean mushroom, Korean perma hairstyle'n shit.
>>737530735Elly's the bestUlala is cutePeace Burger girl is highly underrated, she's super cute
>>737545841Which the other protagonists fit better, since they were designed that way. Maya is an actual speaking character who's had a lobotomy
>>737545945Yeah you already know everything about her personality I don't know why you are complaining its the best of both worlds.
P3 is my favorite but I like P2 on a conceptual level moreSomehow it's the only pair of games that really gets into the whole "the collective unconscious is real and the modern world can't handle it so good luck" premise of the series in a way that's fun and interesting, with the rumor system, demon negotiations, the characters, the story arcs, Sumaru City itself, they're all greatBut the combat is pure ass and the fusion system isn't worth engaging with at allIf they ever put out a remake/remaster all I'll hope for is that they touch up that stuff, maybe bump the graphics up a little, and leave everything else alone but I'm sure they'll ruin it
>>737546253The rumor shit in terms of actual gameplay is annoying as fuck strategy guide bait
>>737530735>No JunNo thanks.
>>737546410I thought it was fun to play around with, but the fact that there are very obvious better choices is a bit lameA bit more variety and randomness would help
>>737547086I just remember a lot of strategy guide bait stuff in P2 EP building up to the point it was driving me crazy between rumors, crafting, and other little micro-secrets like the unique demon skills. It's not like you need to do any of that shit even playing on the highest difficulty, but just deciding not to engage with a new system takes a while. I was also playing the PSP version with the Tatsuya solo adventures too and there was just so much bloat in every imaginable direction
