Unironically a better game than BG3. Even though BG3 improved on a lot of things and is probably the better RPG overall, it falls short in the most important areas for me gameplay, difficulty, and encounter design.
This is a valid opinion. 5e sucks, and the changes they made to 5e to try and make it interesting, ruined the niche things I actually like about 5e, even though I hate it.
>>737524404dnd rules do suck ass, it's why bg3's difficulty falls off a fucking cliff when you get to about level 5 even on honor modeI like bg3's world more tho. Rivellon has always been an incongruous mess where it's just whatever the fuck they feel like doing for [insert game]. Hopefully with this new one they will take it more seriously
Eh, I really dislike the art style of DoS2. BG3 is pretty "woke" I'd say, but it handles darker themes much better. DoS2 has its moments but otherwise comes off too much like playdough. And weirdly enough, despite writing being my main criticism with BG3, I find its writing (especially character writing) vastly superior to DoS2. That alone makes it a more replayable game to me. The companions in DoS2 suck outside of Lohse.
>>737524404weird, because if you hated le quirky BG3 characters and story, you should equally hate DOS2
>>737524404Yeah, I agree. They really did improve a lot of their core gameplay though, 5e just held too much back. I am glad they haven't forgotten about DOS2, and everything they're saying about Divinity points in the direction that they want to go back to DOS2 for many ideas and improve from there. In fact they had a cancelled game called Soul For Frost Island that was described as "DOS2 with new mechanics" and apparently they are using a lot of ideas from that.>>737524604You can see the bones of more serious worldbuilding in DOS2 imo. That game had a very tragic tone that was really refreshing, I think it was a very well written game. Forgotten Realms has a very bright and heroic tone inherently, so even when they try and do more serious stories, it doesn't live up to DOS2's tone (also they don't have as much control over the direction of the setting).
>>737524656bg3's dialogue is mostly fine and it's by far the most dry larian has ever done (except for FUCK YEAH I DON'T EVEN HAVE A COMPANION QUEST Karlach)but the story leaves a lot to be desired especially in act 3. The emperor character is such a fucking eyeroller
>>737524918I would say that Larian has the best dialogue among RPGs. Not to say that its Sopranos tier or anything, just that every other RPG studio is largely below average when it comes to writing and dialogue.
>>737524656>>737524702BG3 companions are far worse than DOS2>foid-bait bisexual vampire>reddit tiefling that can't speak 3 words without saying fuck>terribly written DEI warlock>wizard that tries to assfuck you every dialogue option.
>>737524604BG3 improved on pretty much everything except the thing that matters most to me, combat. I know I’m probably in the minority, most people play RPGs for RP and don’t care about hard combat but the 5e in BG3 starts to fall apart after level 6. It feels poorly balanced and all the homebrew changes and overpowered items introduce so many issues that you’d need a ton of house rules just to stop the game from becoming trivial. Even then, it’s still not that fun, because the encounter design is vastly inferior.
>>737525020I had a lot of fun with BG3's combat. I am actually very impressed with how they managed to turn 5e into something playable. But it's not as good as DOS2, of course.
>>737525008I think the bad characters are pretty bad in BG3, Karlach especially. But I think Shadowheart is a far more interesting character than Lohse, Sebille (?), etc. And regardless of their quirks or how much I like or dislike them, I think the writing itself is just better in BG3. DoS2's characters have very uninspired and boring backgrounds and storylines.
>>737525106if the new divinity is just dos2 combat but with a little less focus on surface memes I will be a very happy camper i have 0 issues with the armor system in that game that everyone cries about, the main problem is physical isn't a thing that enemies can resist which is the most braindead thing ever and then they still didn't fix it with definite edition
>>737524918>The emperor character is such a fucking eyerollerman im still pissed they changed the character from early access
>>737525336playing a physical damage party is boring outside of corpse explosion anyway
>>737525106AI in bg3 is just too stupid and easy to abuse, theres way too many moving parts and possibilities in that game, Dos2 is a lot more strict with what you can do, which makes it easier for AI script to perform well.
>>737525336they're changing the armor system a bit with Divinity apparently.we'll see how it turns out but I'm fine with change as long as it keeps the most important aspects of what made it good in DOS2 (intuitive and easy to understand, and taking the focus away from random chance)
>>737525435Eh, I prefer more freedom. Also in DOS2 AI just goes completely dumb if you're solo and go invisible, its the key to honor mode solo no lone wolf playthroughs
>>737524404That's how I felt, I was hooked playing DoS2 for hours on end.BG3 I really wanted to like but dnd is not for me.
here's some concept art from their streams that I think is for Divinity. I assume its similar to the "armor guy walking in a forest" art that was made for BG3, where the only think that'll make it in is the armor, but who knows, this guy does look like Zandalor.
>>737525473i hope they do something with itemization because upgrading every single piece on all characters everytime i level up was giving me brain aneurysm
I fucking despise 5e with every fiber of my being. And Larian didn't help make it better, adding free jumping and weapon switching in combat.>play druid>cast thorn growth on chokepoint so enemies will have to run through 30 ft of thorns>lmao actually they just jump over it and take no damage>cast plant growth to mass entangle melee enemies>lmao they just switch to bows and hit 9/10 shots anyway>cast sleet storm to combine with call lightning for extra damage and electrify>lmao concentration fuck youThe best thing to do in BG3 is reroll every character into a champion fighter and then just left click the enemy, since it clearly doesn't want you to do anything fun. No companion automation like in ANY OTHER GAME IN IT'S GENRE is also a massive downside. NwN2 and DA:O solved this over a decade ago.
>>737525893yes, they are specifically moving away from DOS2 style itemization, thankfully
>>737525893they said they aren't doing the random loot bullshit againit'll probably be like bg3 where there's generic gear + uniques and then it will scale with you as you level instead of having to 30 minute vendor loops every goddamn time you level up
>>737524404>>737524515Agreed, BG3 is a fantastic game that's held back by DnD rules. I think the new Divinity game will probably be their best yet.HOWEVER, one thing about BG3 which I prefer over previous Divinity games is that they didn't use their crappy Diablo style itemization. On that front I prefer DnD stuff.
I liked BG3 more than OS2 in pretty much every aspect and I was pretty invested in the Divinity world, since I played through Divine Divinity multiple times as a teen
>>737526541I wonder if the sword teased in BG3 (remember Divinity's project name is Project Excalibur) is the Sword of Lies considering its a soft reboot and all
>>737524404yeah dos2 had it own shortcomings but the gameplay was absolutely killerbg3's worst part was that it was 5e, seeing how much they improved on it and how others have taken those improvements is pretty wild, but its still let down by being 5e.if dos3, or whatever the new divinity game is going to be called, if they don't fuck it up then its going to be an absolute killer and make what happened around bg3 look tiny
>>737528694if they actually deliver and meet their ambitions, it can be game of the decade material for sure
>>737528530it would surprise me to see anything from Divine Divinity's main plot. I expect them to rewrite the world to look less like a blatant DnD copy/parody, now that they have the attention of the whole industry
>>737529950well if they're gonna make the plot about Hell they're gonna have to deal with Damien stuff
