AAAAAAAAAAA why does dawn of war 4 look so shit
Is it worth playing anything past DoW1? Or even anything past Winter Assault? I didn't like the later expansions having "campaigns" that were just glorified multiplayer skirmishes against bots
>>737546057dark crusade and soulstorm for the factions really
>>737546057Marines canonically win Dark Crusade so it's a bit nice to play through that campaign. They really fumbled the ending to WA though so it's kinda meh.
>>737546057>Dark CrusadeLukas Alexander.>SoulstormVance Stubbs.>>737546453>https://youtu.be/c1bHvuVe0xs
prove this wrong without sounding like a chud
leftist devs
>>737545828Because it's dawn of war 3, 2
>>737546968owari da
>>737546057Dark crusade is probably my favourite campaign in an RTS
>>737545828whiiiiirrllll BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>737546581That's like 10% of eldarMost shoot anyone coming within half a star system of a craftworld on sight
>>737546581Eldars are literaly ku klux klan
>>737545828The worst thing about DoW4 is that it looks great in some areas (like the melee sync animations looks amazing, long campaign and last stand) and shit in others.
>>737546057The expansions are fine for skirmishes. DoW 2 is also fine if you can accept it trying to do new things, the multiplayer does have its audience but would've probably been more liked if it had traditional RTS skirmishes. 3 is just bad.
>>737545828Because the artstyle is shitThey should have made Dow2 Graphics with Dow1 gameplay and some Dow2 features.Easy perfect game
>>737546929The only correct answer. Leftist writers functioned when the IP was satirical, but that was like 20 years ago. 20 years ago's leftists would also be counted as literally Hitlers now, because th overton window shifted so much. 40K is a serious setting now, and lefitsts are fundamentally incapable faithfully representing a universe centered around in-group loyalty, honor, survival of the fittest, and righteous hatred. More specifically, while they represent the Imperium as a satire of these things (while still hamfisting stronk wymmyn and dieversity into it, which is complete nonsense), they are unable and unwilling to represent the universe that makes it necessary for the Imperium to be like that.
>>737546057If you like RTT you can try DoW2, which does away with basebuilding and big squads for more micro oriented gameplay
>>737547123i like you as a person
>>737546057Yes Dow2 Campaign is better than Dow1. Also has better multiplayer and gameplay in general.
>>737547534Don't fprget smoking bongs all afternoon playing last standFUCK YEAH DO2 HAS LAST STAND TRY HARD FAGGOTS
>marines>only transport is the repulsor executioner with a limited transport capacity, drop pod is a unit for some reason and not an upgrade>no rhino, no razorback, no land raider>orks>only transport is the gorkanaut, with a limited capacity and battlewagon (both definitely gonna be high tier units)>no trukks>admech>transports?>necrons>only "transport" is the monolith which teleports units rather than making them like in 1, no indication of necron building teleport mechanics, no flayed ones that deep strike
>>737546581Eldar are literally the cause of everything wrong in the modern 40k setting.LITERALLY everything.
>>737546581eldar are responsible for billions of human deaths.
>>737546581>wat is slaneesesheshehshe
>>737547672>he likes transport unitsfuck you and fuck your metal boxes.
>>737547758Dark Eldar. Craftworlders are eldar mormons who rejected their murderrape ways and fucked off before shit hit the fan.
>>737547637Dow4 will have last stand at least.
>>737547959Fuck off, they were all part of it. Just because one group feels bad now that they're fucked doesn't make up for it.
>>737548067FIrst, humans don't really know the origin of Slaneesh and the damage cause by the birth of Slaneesh. Heck, most people don't even know Slaneesh exist outside a selective few. Second, Craftworlder and Dark Eldar are not the same, Craftworlders are the one who left the empire long before the birth of Slaneesh. Blaming Craftworlders for actrocities caused by Dark eldar is dumb.
>>737548143no wonder they didn't want to give us steel legion
>>737547125>>737547843and?
>>737547672Admech has these hovercraft things as transports.
>>737547672Why would you need more than 1 transport in an rts?Tabletop warhammer is fucking retarded with the amount of units some armies have.
The imperium has fallen Trillions must die
Imperial Guard has the best transport because their transport could be use as mini tank as well.
>>737546581Xenos are literally incapable of doing good. Just look at Rogue Trader, even if you bend over backwards in the most uncharacteristic ways you can to appease the Eldar companion, she STILL stabs you in the back and views you as little more than a tool at best.We already know that's the case for EVERY xenos given they betrayed Humanirth during the Old Night despite DAOT Humans being diplomatic and trusting.The most evil scum of humanity still has more good in them than the most virtuous xenos.
>>737548067Holy fucking dogshit reddit meme.
>>737546581>AIIEEEEEEE AYY GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME>you just don't get it man>if only you knew what was at stake you would support me>TELL ME OR I WILL MURDERRAPE YOU>you silly humans just wouldn't get itThis is literally was happens in Winter Assault.
>>737549820Eldar being the canon winners of WA is genuine bullshit. The quality of cinematics by themselves show Relic intended for IG to win, and some ponce from higher up likely told them not too late in production.
>>737545828Winter Assault was so ass. Not only was the story slop, but the missions were fucking annoying, like the transfer your units to bunkers one and then the vehicle escort mission.
>>73754911840k AdMech is so stupid
SPESS MAREENS!>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeCfod1XT7E
>>737546581The only good alien is a dead alien.
>>737550097
>>737546581Isn't literally every Eldar apoearance them showing up, shooting humans, shouting about "MUH PROPHECIES, YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND!" before Marines show up and butcher them all?
>>737549791but that's because she's a woman
>>737545828>why does dawn of war 4 look so shitMade by germans
>>737550184
>>737550892At least it doesn't have aeldari in it.
>>737551516>aeldarisecondary detected
>>737547123AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>737547123I miss Boxnaughts.
>>737545828This game ruined 40k.Flooded the fandom with worthless secondaries.
>>737552441this single cinematic is better than any nu-40k warhammer+ animation
>>737550887Im so fucking lonely bros...
>>737545828SPESS MEHRENS!!!!!!! TODEY DE ENEME IZ ADD OUR DOAR
>I HAVE COME TO DESTROY YOU
>>737552441INCOOOOOOMIIIIINNG
>>737552441>Just charge uphill within the WAUUUGH distance, what could go wrong?
>>737549791Yrliet never betrayed youThere is no proof that DAOT Mankind was ever betrayed by any Xenos. It's Imperial propagandaThere is no proof that DAOT Mankid dindu nuffin and was peaceful. In fact the contrary is trueHumans are inherently evil in 40k>>737550521Nope>>737548067Every single thing about this meme is objectively, factually wrongWarp was initially destabilized by War in Heaven started by NecrontyrEldar did not "dump negative emotions for 65 milion years". It's explicitly stated that Eldar hedonism only happened at the end and their fall was sudden and near instant. They did perfect job keeping their emotions at bay, unlike countless other civilizations which rose and fallen just like Mankind during this timeThere is no proof that Men of Iron were corrupted by ChaosAge of Strife wasn't caused only by Warp becoming unstable, Men of Iron and Psykers took equal partNo mention of Eldar ever attacking DAOT Humans. We do know that DAOT tried to attack peaceful Eldar, before Men of Iron rebellion even, so they had to be slapped down>>737546581Eldar are chuds thoHumans are pajeetoniggers
>>737553159This post has been fact checked by real Biel-Tan restorationalists, and found to be true!
>>737552507>This game ruined 40kGW ruined 40k all by itself, though.
>>737553159>>737553526Your faction exists to serve the Imperium.
>>737552507The Horus Heresy books ruined 40kEverything about the primarchs feels like capeshit
>>737553526>Purge lesser races from your worlds>Despite the fact that it's been millennia since your races have touched that world>Try feverishly to rebuild your glorious ancient empire>Despite the fact that it's as if fate itself is trying to diminish you and send you into the nightWhy is Biel-Tan so based?
>>737553887Biel-Tan stay being arrogant super racist space elves. It is their super power.If you want a faction for proper racists, you play as Biel-Tan.
>>737553887>>737553998Hey so how's that Ynnari plotline going for you?Biel Tan still dead? Eldar still a race of losers?Yes to both? Good.
It shows nobody here played Iron Harvest. DoW4 its going to be shit.
>>737546581>Sabotages human operations>Spouts some cryptic bullshit with 0 attempt at being direct>Refuses to elaborate>WTF Mon'keigh, how could you be so blind and foolish, you have doomed as all and must die!!1!99% of Eldar attempts at "reasoning" in nutshell.Seriously, the setting would probably be in a much better spot if only those fucking knife-ears knew how to communicate
>>737554293I found Iron Harvest decent enough though it had some major pathfinding issues.
>>73755432840k would be better if they just flat out didn't exist any more.Literally nothing of value would be lost if Slaanesh just snapped his fingers and every Eldar suddenly dropped dead.
>>737554585No... they exist so i can actually wound them with basic lasguns and feel good about my boys.
>>737546968looks like it has way too many cunts and niggers same as 3, every non ork super unit had a terrible cunt VA and most the missions were about some cunt girlboss, it was so bad
>>737553148You literally would not get it.
>737554585>737554062>the resident eldar hater desperately trying to start an argument againLmao, it is funny how I can just post your autism instantly.Keep on coping and seething about space elves. I for one, am quite exited for the rumored Exodite kill team coming this year.
>>737552507The only reason anyone knows or remembers 40k today is Dawn of War and it's a better game than any incarnation of GW's advertisement for unfinished toy soldiers.Kneel to secondarychads and give thanks to secondarychads every day.
I'm a sisters of battle player and 2bh I prefer Xenos in the setting. The more shit I get to kill with holy flame and melta and have my sisters die a martyr's death against the better.
>>737553148That's where the objective point was you filthy secondary
So what are our thoughts about Total war 40k?
>>737555353wtf bro dis real?
>>737555278It's cute that you think your opinion matters any more then that of the xenos fans.40k is about Space Marines. All other factions continue to exist because of them.
>>737555386I'm not sure. Is it real?>>737555427
GW does not allow deviating from the tabletop designs anymore so everything looks like plastic.
>>737552441the proportions look so shit in this, what the fuck, ork bois look like goblins but stretched out to be the size of a space marine
>>737555518Yeah GW is autistic as fuck about how shit in games looks. Its why some shit like Tzaangors in TWW3 can't have beaks. GW Is a truly retarded company.
>>737555353Its gunna be shitSource: CA is shit
>>737549118looks like a macdonalds toy
>>737546581>the existence of a good guy in a faction makes that faction goodThe whole setting is that all the factions are bad, but occasionally have some alright guys in them. 40k is very much about the struggles of individuals against a hostile and grimdark universe.
>>737555863Is there a single Chaos or Chaos adjacent character who's somehow kind of deecent? Like even the Necron have a character who wants to save all sapient life from the Nids iff only for slave labor purposes.But I can't think of a single halfway decent Chaos fucker.
>>737556535Doesn't exist, Chaos is straight up bad guys. Even the types that are in the camp of controlling chaos to fight chaos end up as corrupted as anyone else in the end. Their stories run more along the lines of how seductive power can be in its own right.
Just found out the tyranids won the octarius war.
>>737556670I figured. Chaos is basically meant as the ultimate form of corruption.Anyone who tries to use it for 'good' just ends up as bad as the shit they fight.Part of the appeal to 40k to me is the fact that things are irrevocably doomed on some level and even the heroic actions of good men can't save the setting but the whole raging against the dying of the light is very appealing.
>>737556535Ahriman?Uhhhh Vorx? Kind of? He’s a nice dude.
>>737547672>>737547949Rhinos...RHINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!Our enemies hide in METAL BAWKSES,TEH COWARDS,TEH FOOLZ!!!We...>*asthma attack*We should TAKE AWAY... their METAL BAWKSES...
>>737549118How do troops inside not get killed the moment the ramp gets lowered?
>>737557045uhhh ..... ummm ... the Emperor protects?
>>737557045Its 40k so the enemy waits for them to disembark, affixes bayonets/readies melee weapons and charges them heroically.
>>737556962And this guy's supposed to be Alpha Legion
>AFTER 10,000 YEARS PETER TURBO FINALLY REAPPEARS>he and his boys proceeds on attacking the Black Legion and hunting AbaddonWhat
>>737547637>anti trump propagandalibtards trying theyre best it seems...
>>737556838>Part of the appeal to 40k to me is the fact that things are irrevocably doomed on some level and even the heroic actions of good men can't save the setting but the whole raging against the dying of the light is very appealing.How to tell me you're an Eldar fan without telling me you're an Eldar fan
>>737557045OH NO NO NO
>>737557228Who WOULDN'T want to hunt that nigger?
>>737557045They probably don't disembark with the rear facing the enemy guns genius
>>737550097>>737556962dawn of war never ceases to be absolute cringekinohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrHhS5IkRR0>>737557228Butthurt Pert is no longer independent and is allied with the mechanical Chaos god.
>>737557258>How to tell me you're an Eldar fan without telling me you're an Eldar fanThe funny thing is Eldar are probably my least favorite faction actually.
>>737557045Skiitaris and combat Servitors are expendable niggas. Just send more of them.
>Eldar voices in DoW1
>>737557276>most of them die the moment the ramp gets lowered
>>737557408For me it was the Imperial Guard voicelines>WITNESS YOUR DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM>FEAR ME BUT FOLLOW>IF YOU WILL NOT SERVE IN COMBAT THEN YOU WILL SERVE ON THE FIRING LINE>CADIAN SQUAD READY FOR WAR
>>737557258The eldar are gigakino faction.
>>737555353CSM and IG shafted to DLC again/10
>>737557408>I sing to the wraithbone and it responds in kind
>>737549192Perturabo is the failure that fled the siege before it even ended. Armlessdon at least kept his shit together and brought the boy back from the bring of collapse.
>>737557587I got a bone she can sing to, HEY-O
>>737557528dudes fighting in bath robes are a nice foil to the power armor boys
>>737557408Somehow I doubt DoW4 will have nearly as good voice direction. They weren't afraid to go full ham with it, but 40k these days is treated way more seriously than in the early 00s.
>>737557408>"I knew it was you who had the magic inside to defeat her, but you could not unleash it until you let true friendship into your heart."...wait.
>*teleports behind you and cuts off your head*>Nothing personal heretic.How do you respond?
>>737557473It's been so long since I last played DoW1, but after reading those lines I could hear the VA in my head as if I just played the damn game. I need to play some DoW1.
>>737557708I'll just go absolutely ballistic and rip his shit off with my claws while mumbling about my tormenting visions.
>Yes... YES!! YOU WILL NEED A TANK FOR ME!
>>737557727I strongly recommend the Redux mod by Eranthis.
>>73755725840k appeal is the same to me and I couldn't give less of a shit about Eldar, I'm a chaostard
>>737557794>diomedes has lines in dow2 for fighting tankslove that brain damaged retard
>>737557794>>737557967"Say the line, Diomedes!">"It is the mighty BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANEBLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADE"
>>737557967https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpBngmCpUrU
>>737558043>>737558062>baneblademind
>>737557794>I HAVE FACED MORE FEARSOME TAAAANNNNNNKS
>Having a retreat mechanics like in DoW2 or >Just right click a unit to base/post (while still taking full range damage) like in DoW1?well?
>>737557697thx for reminding me "Love can Bloom" fanfic that used to be all the rage back in tha day. it even got an animation there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkj8KmxYpkQ
>>737557408>We are the harbringers of death!>Our cries herald the coming of great pain for our enemies!>All fear the voice of death, calling for them.>TO BATTLE, KHAINE GUIDE OUR BLADES!>YOU ARE INFERIOR!>EXTERMINATE THEM!
>>737556535Chaos is kind of inherently corrupting and even someone who starts out as a decent or idealistic person will almost certainly be twisted become twisted by it. That being said, Talos from Night Lords books kinda comes to mind? Like, he's obviously not a good person, but he's not some saturday morning villain, but rather mostly just a soldier from a broken legion who fights because he has nothing else to live for. He still cares for his battle brothers somewhat, isn't needlessly sadistic and even treats his slaves quite humanely (and ends up granting some of them freedom for a long and competent service)
>>737558201>kino fan films>shit official media just like star wars
>>737558158NO RETREATNO SURRENDER
>>737558201>PicEldar slightly unfortunately do not have body fat.
>>737558328at least we'll get Astartes 2 this year
>>737546057Dark Crusade and Soulstorm are worth playing at least one campaign throughWhile not an RTS I think DoW 2 is also really good
>>737557408>>737558272>The flames of the ancestors are yours to command!>I am the song of fury, here to serve.>As I dream, so shall it be.>I follow the purity of flame.>No more songs, we fight away.>Burn away their impurities>Cleanse them in flames.>Reap the inferno!>I will sing the firestorms now!
>>737558158it depends on how reinforcement works
>>737558393Didn't the guy leave once his contract with GW was up?
>>737558460I thought so since he did the trailer for Menace or whatever that game was
>>737558379I quite literally and honest to God do not fucking care what the canon says about this matter.>>737558460Yes, because the experience was even worse than his fans warned him it would be like.
>>737558460got tired of modeling ugly moon faced niggers at gw?
>>737558460I don't know if that was him, but I'm pretty sure the group that did the Exodite left not long after the series got released.The stuff they said about working with GW is genuinely depressing.
>>737556535no, pic related is what you get
>WE ARE CHAOS, CHAOS IS STRONG!!Why do the cultists and Heretic both sound like Double-D, is it just me?
>>737558648>The stuff they said about working with GW is genuinely depressingQRD on the stuff? It doesn't surprise me given how insane their lawyers are, but I honestly thought it was just their legal team.
>>737558460wasn't that SODAZ? and he left because 40Kfags started harrasing him?
>>737558731It's supposed to be Peter Lorre.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1J2R_cAbJo
>>737545828I did NOT like Dark Crusades's campaign mode at all.Shit it so tedious expanding map control and trying to beat the rest of the factions.And shit gets equally tedious when defending territory.Stronghold maps are also pretty bad where you end up turtling the ever loving shit out most of the time.
>>737558806hot take alert
Capturing it was easy... holding it will be hard.
While you're here, anyone play DoW2 Chaos Rising (or base campaign AND Chaos Rising) with https://www.moddb.com/mods/ultimate-exterminatus/downloads/ultimate-exterminatus-complete-edition ? I beat the base campaign and had a good time with it though some things were a bit annoying, but it appears that this mod fixes many of them and expands things considerably.
>>737558806That's fine, we'll make a DoW2 thread for you in a little bit. Go play with whatever in the meantime, li'l bro.
>>737556535Kharn, he's a swell guy
>>737554554>>737554293I played it and dropped it, but I don't think DOW4 will have the same problems Iron Harvest did with its paucity of units and low TTK for non-mechs.
>>737558460he has his own studio but is doing a new one for themhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbgYaeerXhg
>>737558753General jist of it is that GW attached an 'expert' to their team who didn't give a fuck about the their ideas at all and wanted to turn the show into an IG wank-fest because he was a Guard fan, and because he was the 'expert' the team had to abide by him. Several ideas that they had, such as a Manta appearing and fighting a Titan and Crisis suits doing cool aerial combat got shot down because the expert 'didn't think it was realistic', and instead replaced those with a Titan gunning down Crisis Suits and a Death Corps guardsman beating a Stealth Suit to death with a shovel.Ironically the Eldar got the best showing since they had a Phantom Titan show up and one-shot a Warlord Titan in melee, almost out of spite.
>>737558925Obligatory listening:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnIVDnOkFDs
>>737558429>>737558272>Be canonically a dying species>Send your fertile women to fight alien monstrosities in melee combat>Give your lads an anti-tank cannon and tell them to just run up and give the enemy vehicles what-forAre the Eldar all retards?
>>737545828>watch spess muhrines do spess muhrines shit at hyperspeed in stuff like sm 2, astartes and secret level>watch the DOW trailers and see marines move like slow, goofy goobershonestly made me not want to buy it
>>737558975Well their expert is right about the Manta fighting the Titan. Forgeworld tried to justify it and even then they couldn't make it work, so Manta on Titan fights are really more like run-and-gun by a Spooky of a hardened target. It's not a fight so much as it is a drive-by shooting.
>>737559056>>737559067Don't you two have a Discord server to be gooning in, you fruits?
>>737559067If the gameplay in DoW1 was accurate to Astartes then SM would literally never bleed models and have the most insane economy
>>737559067Astartes Shorts really shifted the perception of how Space Marines move.
>>737559107That's what the inclusion was going to be; Manta descened from orbit and guns the Titan as it flies spast.Instead the Titan just got to stand around looking cool and invincible.
>>737558975So a self-interested guy with zero oversight or accountability. Always a bad sign of organisational chaos.
>>737559182Blame the transhuman dread meme
I remembered in Winter Assault, the Necrons were ridiculously tough to beat, and then they nerfed them in Dark Crusade.I forget which faction, but I remember being able to beat the Necrons without ever using the Titan weapons.
>>737559182He was based for that
>>737559182it really did, the weight, the speed, the intention, the snapiness, that bro NAILED how lore Astartes should move
>>737559186Man, that's a shame. I mean, I think it's great that GW's people are fans of their own work, but sometimes you get people who are way too Laurie Golding and locked into one frame that they push everyone else into.
>>737559227>I forget which factionYou used Eldar.
>>737559182you mean being tall, fast, and intelligent?I prefer my marines to be manlets who attacks without any strategy.
>>737559056The dying species aspect is overstated. The craftworld Eldar are the most populous eldar around and the main reason they are a "dying species" is because they lost majority of their population along with their homeworlds and were reduced to nomads living on massive space ships in a galaxy inhabited by more numerous and and aggressive species. It is not that the eldar can't reproduce, they just don't have the firm footing or time to build up their numbers again. There are still billions of eldar around.
>>737559227Probably Eldar because you were fielding fire prisms for that fight, while IG version of the mission makes you jump hoops to get a single baneblade. But honestly you can just turn out a bunch of Sentinels and win the mission that way.
>>737559227Necrons aren't in winter assault...
>>737559287NOYOU DO NOT BRING IN OUTSIDE TALENT AND THEN HAVE GOTO OR WARD OR WHOMEVER THE FUCK DICTATE WHAT THEY CAN AND CANNOT DOI'LL KILL YOUI'LL KILL YOU DEAD
>>737559227That's only because the Necron were cinematic in WA with, like, 3 units? They weren't balanced to be playable. It's the same with the Imperial Guard in DOW1 where guardsmen were nearly useless squishes and Bron had no abilities worth mentioning, and the Leman Russ fired artillery shells so it was very effective against most units.
>>737559324Aren't Deldar the most populated of the Eldar factions? Like Commoragh is impossibly large.
>>737559348>bro never finished the campaignOH NO NO NO! How do we tell him?
>>737559147>then SM would literally never bleed models and have the most insane economythats why you have game balanceork and guard have human wave tactics to kill elite units and marines are spec ops
>>737559348Sis, your campaign missions?
>>737559401>Aren't Deldar the most populated of the Eldar factions? Like Commoragh is impossibly large.Yeah, that is what you'd think and what I thought for a long time as well but GW has gone out of it's way and said that the Craftworlders are the most populous eldar around. It doesn't really make a lot of sense when you think about the lore of Craftworlders and the Dark Eldar at all but that's GW for you.
>>737559416>ORKZ DUN USE 'UMIE WAY TACTICZ>ORKZ KRUMP ON GITZ
>>737559182Spess Mehreens should be fast and deadly since they're dropped into enemy territory where you have to keep moving to avoid enemies and reach objectives, unless they're doing some last stand against a horde.If you want Slow-ass Marines then it's Terminator armor creeping through Space Hulk bulkheads and shrugging off everything short of anti tank weapons.
>>737559493Kind of weird but alright. I just figured Deldar were #1 due to shit like not being afraid of cloning and womb vats and all that stuff.Well that's whatever I suppose.
>>737559514>If you want Slow-ass Marines then it's Terminator armor creeping through Space Hulk bulkheads and shrugging off everything short of anti tank weapons.and really sharp claws
>>737559410>>737559442Okay.... I fucked up. I tought he meant he played as Necrons.I'll register myself to the local commissariat
>>737559067Astartes (with Secret Level) and SM have done horrific damage to 40k since the former is like 99% them smashing chaff and the latter gives Titus unholy plot armor and then tried to justify it in-game.No, Marines don't actually move like that and don't win fist fights with Tyranid Warriors. A lone Tyranid Warrior equipped for melee can smash 2-3 Marines and even threaten Terminators pretty decently.
>>737559583Yeah. GW is notorious for not really taking into account the full implications of the lore they write. Logically when you think about it, Dark Eldar ought to be the most numerous eldar given their lore but apparently nope.
>>737559662Yeah, Tyranid Warriors can be made into both melee and ranged killing machines depending on their loadout. They are far too easy to kill in space marine 2.
>>737559583Basically just ignore what GW says about it when it's retarded. It's Dark Eldar and it's practically impossible to gauge their true population, even factoring for the slaves.
>>737559662I've said it before and I'll say it again, if it can't happen on the tabletop, then it can't happen in the story.>"but what about when calgar used a necron pylon as a baseball bat"Shut up.
>>737559793>>737559662To be only kind of far Tidus was a space marine captain so he's well above average for a marine but even then he kills like 300 warriors in SM 2, as well as a melee based carnifex which should have wrecked him completely.
>>737559839>basing anything off the dogshit tabletop rulesWay to kill a franchise
>>737559793*Bolt guns you in the neck and punches a fist sized hole into your chest*What now? Bitch ass xeno!
>>737560020>Way to kill a franchiseYes. Fix the rules or commit sudoku.
How likely would it be the villain in a Star Trek episode?>100%: Chaos Daemons, Death Guard, World Eaters, Dark Eldar, Orks, Tyranids, Adeptus Mechanicus, Ecclestiarchy>90%: Necrons>75%: Imperial Guard, Space Marines, Black Templars, Thousand Sons>40%: Eldar, Harlequins, Tau, Space Wolves, Blood Angels>30%: Votann>10%: Exodites
>>737560078I literally do not care about your question, I just want the Borg to have their entire code rewritten by the Necrons because it's funny.
>>737560020Not him but the video games and books aren't called 'secondary' media just to be disparaging. They are literally secondary to the tabletop, as the licensing money GW gets from that content is tiny compared to what they make out of the actual tabletop game. All the media outside the tabletop game is meant to be an ad for said tabletop game, and GW doesn't view the media as anything beyond that.
>>737559324>It is not that the eldar can't reproduce, they just don't have the firm footing or time to build up their numbers again.Except that's not true. Whenever an Eldar die their soul gets tortureraped by Slaanesh for all eternity, which is such a horrible perspective for them that they would rather not have kids than sentence them for such a fate. And the only way to avoid it is to catch the soul in an empty spirit stone, the only source of which are crone worlds located right in the middle of fucking Eye of Terror.So yes, Eldar are genuinely very much handicapped when it comes to possibilities of repopulation
>>737560191Vidya is primary while Tabletop is quaternary media though
>>737557045Because the shooting phase is after movement.
>>737560235overwatch?
Post your favorite maps/missions lads!>>737560078I don't care about star trek, I wanna talk about Dawn of War!
>>737560203you can pay for insurance at a friendly Haemonculi Coven as well, they can bring you back even if you are long dead
>>737559662It's no different than anything that happens in Black Library's books. What happens on Tabletop or in the Codices is different from what is dramatically powerful and fails to get the flavor of the setting across anyway.
>>737560387That the IG Dark Crusade stronghold?
>>737555278>I'm a sisters of battle [...] I prefer Xenos
>>737556535Sevatar?Argel Tal was also pretty decent even after being possessed by a daemon he gets bonus points because he got fucked over by Er*bus
>>737560481You know it!It's such a fun Stronghold mission, I love storming in with a strong divide and conquer army and slowly take out the IG's assets.My favorite part is when you kill the commissar across the bridge and get a ally for the rest of the mission
>>737552507That was the Horus Heresy, anon
>>737560435>What happens on Tabletop or in the Codices is different from what is dramatically powerful and fails to get the flavor of the setting across anyway.The flavor of the setting is not supposed to be 'Marines beat everyone up by being big super awesome spacemen'.The entire point of Marines is so the Imperium can remain EQUAL with xenos and Chaos threats, since Guardsmen aren't good for much beyond quelling rebellions when xenos can casually rip them to shreds. The cinematics for DoW and DoW2 are acfually prettt great for getting the proper flavor of 40k since the Marines are taking just as much damage as they're giving.
>>737560643https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1bHvuVe0xs
>>737545828My favourite thing was the in map cutscenesIf you know where a cutscene will take place, you can deep strike into it just before it triggers, causing the units to appear in itIf you do this in a cutscene with enemy units, the AI will attack themThis can cause FATAL SCAR ERROR, but man is it funny to watch a Dreadnought come out of nowhere and kill the chaos lords
>>737560578least braindamaged blacked addict
>>737546570Orks won in Soulstorm first, then Vance Stubbs came back and reconquered Karuava once gorgutz quickly left due to orks infighting each other.So both endings are canon.
>>737560818I thought it was pretty funny.
>>737560738>elite fighting force that only has 1000 members at most at any given timevs>literally an endless horde of biomass/fungus>marines are meant to take just as much damage as they giveYou realize this would make them completely fucking worthless? Even an entire Legion of them, let alone a chapter, would just job to a minor Tyranid fleet or Ork infestation with those numbers? No, the SM2 way of a single marine being able to handle 500 tyranids at once is the only way to make the laughably small size of a chapter when compared to their supposed worth on the battlefield make sense
>"Acquiring targets.">Entire army vanishesFUCK TAU AND FUCK THERE STRONGHOLD MISSIONS
Where are the Space Wolves? How can dark angels be added but no SW? Literally unplayable.
>>737560203Yeah, I should have mentioned the soulstone issue as well. It does present a limiter to how fast Craftworld Eldar populations can grow as well due to them needing new soulstones for new generations of Eldar.
>>737557697DO YOU HEAR THE HORSES TOO?!Don't look up who else was voiced by Gorgutz VA
>>737561157 Because they manage to be even more gay than the DA
>>737547973>Dow4 will have last stand at least.Last Stand practically saved DoW2 and extended it's longevity for a very long time.It's kind of nuts how Last Stand was more popular than multiplayer skirmish.I'd also prefer another different mode besides Last Stand.
>>737561157What is the appeal to space wolfs?Genuine question
>>737561281Stop projecting.
>>737561335Cooler than Ultramarines.
>>737561335https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75x1nDe_xdE
>>737561416That's a fucking low bar.
how is the naval game??? worth playing?
>>737561043Damn, it's almost as if Marines aren't meant to be a solo fighting force and are instead meant to be shock troops who deploy at critical junctures to support other Imperial forces and turn the tide of a battle via strategic usage of their limited numbers, and aren't meant to be one-squad armies. You tried to use logic in this but the problem is you're using SM2 logic where Marines have abhorrent plot armor to justify the gameplay perspective.Funnily enough you know what happens to Chairon after 2? He gets beaten to death by Genestealer Cultists along with Captain Acheran since they sent a single squad to quell an uprising.
>>737560738You cannot say that the Ultramarines, whose entire chapter struggled against the mass of Hive Fleet Behemoth on their own homeworld during the First Tyrannic War, cannot individually be expected to kill hundreds of Tyranid Warriors each. That's the only way to explain how 1000 Space Marines plus the Macragge PDF were able to kill most of the hive fleet and throw them off the planet. The entire point of Space Marines is to be far deadlier than ordinary, cannon fodder xenos. Guardsmen can fight orks en masse but even Companies of Space Marines are expected to face down and defeat WAAAGHS, even if that involves more strategy than pure attritional warfare.
>>737561440https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K43fuer2ODc
>>737561509Hey buddy, I think you got the wrong board, /tg/ is two pages down.
>>737561043You do realise they're not the main army of the Imperium but rather a special force that's only supposed to assist Imperial Guard and planetary defence in taking out key targets and support them in crucial engagements?
>>737561505BFG1 is a fun RTS with lite RPG elements.BFG2 has a flawed grand strategy minigame taped onto a Galactic Conquest campaign that is generally considered one of the best things about the Fall of Cadia content era.
>>737561416Nigga any Chapter is cooler than Blueberries
>>737561194What Wraithlords do during their free time? Do the living just put their spirit stones away to rest in Infinity Circuit, or do they wageslave for Craftworld?
>>737561509>It's actually okay if half the chapter dies trying to do a single objective because it's an important objective>The objective tomorrow? In the next campaign? Uhm, who cares, that's not the flavor of le settingIf your elite shock troopers are losing as many men as they're killing then they aren't elite, they're jobbers. Worse, if a marine can't handle three orks, then an entire IG regiment can't handle one. And both are meant to be fighting thousands
>>737561574https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPrvkff5NIw
>>737561657Not cooler than space wolves unfortunately. But no chapter is if I'm honest.
>>737553772>yvraineshe's in the madhouse now, the rest of the eldar hate her
>>737561563>whose entire chapter struggled against the mass of Hive Fleet Behemoth on their own homeworld during the First Tyrannic War, cannot individually be expected to kill hundreds of Tyranid Warriors each. That's the only way to explain how 1000 Space Marines plus the Macragge PDF were able to kill most of the hive fleet and throw them off the planet.Anon, Ultramar's PDF is on par and even above Guardsman because it's second only to Terra in terms of quality and management. They ALSO had the support of a Titan Legion and the Imperial Navy.
>>737561657Not Raven Guard
>>737561594And you do realize that if the SM can't handle a few tyranids then it makes the IG holding out for longer than 10 seconds completely unbelievable?
>>737561351Projecting?I'm openly a DAfag
>>737554062Biel-Tan took a beating, lost half its people to death and sedition, and its Craftworld went kaput, but its people keep on living and fighting. They'll outlive the Ynnari, that's for sure.
>>737561847humanity is supposed to lose brothats the entire point of the settingor it was until fukkenidk9thanyway you niggas need to stop fighting because one of you is arguing likes its 4th and the other ones a newfag so idgaf have anal sex or some shit
>>737546581I trust john
>>737561996>humanity is supposed to loseIt's supposed to be a slow death, not>ENEMY SPOT- WE'RE BEING OVE-*radio silence*If that were the case Imperium wouldn't last 10 days, let alone 10 millennia
>>737561996Humanity isn't losing, kiddo. Otherwise the game would've been End Times'd long ago.End Times was a rare case where GeeDubs learned from a mistake. You don't shoot your golden goose in the face.Pity some of them forgot (*cough* Femstodes *cough*)
>>737561713>they're jobbers.Yeah anon, it's almost as if THE IMPERIUM ISN'T FUCKING WINNING EVERY BATTLE AND IS STRUGGLING TO FIGHT FOR THEIR FUCKING LIFE. HOLY FUCKIN SHIT ISN'T THAT A NOVEL FUCKING CONCEPT? IT'S ALMOST AS IF THE TYRANIDS AND ORKS WERE ONLY BEING HELD BACK BECAUSE AN INQUISITOR MADE THEM FIGHT EACH OTHER RATHER THAN ATTACK THE IMPERIUM. IT'S ALMOST AS IF THE TAU ARE EXPANDING BECAUSE THE IMPERIUM LITERALLY CANNOT SPARE THE RESOURCES TO STOP THEM AND GOT THEIR ASSES KICKED IN DAMOCLES. IT'S ALMOST AS IF CHAOS BROKE CADIA DESPITE EVERY FACTION IN THE IMPERIUM HAVING A PRESENCE THERE.GUESS WHAT, ANON, THE ENTIRE FUCKING POINT IS THAT THE IMPERIUM IS FUCKING LOSING.
Empire already solved tyranids in the great crusade. But the writers banned the use of phosphex in the setting because for some reason it's "too inhumane" to be used in even against xenos according to the Imperium now.
>>737561713I mean, it makes sense gameplay wise.But in the fluff the marines were intentionally capped to 1k because of the heresy and also because it was a period of relative stability when the imperium needed smaller quick reaction forces and not ludicrously expensive legions sucking up resources meant for reconstruction
>>737561847Except they can. The power scale is wildly inconsistent, but in most media they can deal with hordes of weak nids quite easily and take down stronger ones as well if they fight smart.(which is what they're generally supposed to do)However, they're not on the level of 3 dudes taking down hundreds of xenos by themselves that SM games suggested. A 6-10 large squad of Astartes could probably pull what they did of though
>>737562087>>737562102ok since you replied to me that tells me you want the gay sexspread them cheeks cuz im going in sideways
>>737562105see >>737562087If humanity was losing at the rate you're suggesting the great crusade wouldn't even start
It's simple, we uhhhhhh return to Legion structure of ~100k muhrines.
You guys can keep arguing and screaming at each other.Me?I'm just gonna chill in my tomb like a real king and just wait for you fags to blow over.
>>737562102>You don't shoot your golden goose in the faceThe entire reason End Times happened was because WHF stopped being even remotely profitable. Which is obviously due to years of GW mismanaging the game and the solution they've decided upon was both fundamentally retarded and poorly executed, but unlike 40k it was certainly no golden goose at this point
>>737560387This is my favorite map. It's the proper size for a 2v2, but the bends and curves extending the walking distance between starting points make it impossible for a bullshit early rush to occur. It's one of the most-balanced maps available.
>>737562252Great idea. Guardlets are afraid of this because it would completely replace their incompetent asses in the setting.
>>737562249>the great crusadeThe Great Crusade was 10,000 years ago when Tyranids, Necrons, Tau, and Chaos Space Marines weren't active factions in the galaxy, Orks were still in regression from the beatings the Eldar gave them, and the Eldar themselves were still reeling from their own fall.
>>737562326https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDok9M5Euk4
>>737562128Yes, that's my point. Every piece of media more often than not portrays marines as demi-gods, it's only the tabletop where they die when someone looks at them, but tablefags in these threads can't accept that this is just a gameplay concession and will tell you that akshually a space marine is a worthless waste of resources barely better than an individual guardsman
>>737549118God damn this is retarded.
>>737561563>how 1000 Space Marines plus the Macragge PDF were able to kill most of the hive fleet and throw them off the planet.Well for one behemoth was notably smaller than the hive fleets that came later and most of the fleet itself got sucked into the warp when a ship suicided itself.
>>737562442>will tell you that akshually a space marine is a worthless waste of resources barely better than an individual guardsmanThat wasn't the argument, anon.The argument is that Marines are used so that the Imperium has something that can fight xenos on even footing. That is not meant to downplay Marines, it's mean to show how strong xenos actually are.
>>737562560Then why are the xenos losing
>>737562350>mismanagingAHAHAHAHAHA just say it had zero appeal for new players instead of inventing bullshit excuses. WHFB oldfags didn't buy new models because GW allowed the usage of old ones. New players couldn't affor new armies because you needed 1000 points of models to even begin. WHFB old fags would screech if GW decreased the scale of battles to skirmish level. That's why AoS instantly outsold WHFB thanks to the reset GW introduced skirmish level rules that allowed entry to anyone and a new board game that only needed 4/5 models to play instead of 100 goblins in a regiment for one unit block. Scale and oldfags is what killed WHFB and it will kill TOW too.
>>737562517That's the idea.
>>737553159>We do know that DAOT tried to attack peaceful Eldar, before Men of Iron rebellion even, so they had to be slapped downWe absolutely do not know that.
>>737562614It's just the resident eldarfag, he's in every one of these threads loudly slurping eldar cock. Try to ignore him.
>>737562593They aren't. The Orks literally just took Armageddon
>>737562830Funny, because canonically it's the eldar that are slurping human cocks, literally
>>737562614
>Ultimate Exterminatus for DoW2 / DoW2 Chaos Rising Anyone played through this mod particularly for the CR campaign? Seems to have tons of new content, allows you to deploy all 6 of your squads at a time, and other changes.
>>737546057DOW1's the most fun, mechanically, but DOW2 replicates how the setting works in a tactical sense a lot more closely, I feel (losing a marine is a bigger deal in 2 than it is in 1, for example). DOW3 doesn't exist. DOW4's got the Lion in it, so...there's that so far.
>>737563032Kino premise for a team DM game. Herd raids as xeno and human knights.
>>737563032based
>>737546581>leftredirected an ork WAAAGH into a human agri-world, resulting in billions of human lives lost to either greenskin savagery or later starvation, to avoid the deaths of like 10 eldar chilling on a maiden world>rightwas one of the kids who managed to avoid "catch da humie on da stikk" when the eldar redirected an ork WAAAGH to his planet, survived and thrived on pure hate and desire to never see it happen again
>>737563032cattle rustling against pointy elfs is kidna cool
>>737556962at the time DoW1 would have been in development, the Rhino meta was fucking apeshit in 3rd edition. So the hatred of METAL BOXES was 100% justifiedBlood Angels Rhino charges were the thing of nightmares. They moved farther per turn than other marine rhinos, could almost always get far enough to vomit Death Company or basic marines into melee with the enemy front line and tie them up long enough for assault marines to jump your ass on turn 2.
>>737562442I feel like the problem here is more the presentation of gameplay.Yes, individual Marines can kill dozens of minor Nids and Ork Boyz. Can they do so all at once in melee? No, but most Marines aren't stupid enough to charge an entire squad of Orks by themselves and will instead do the smart thing and shoot them from a distance. If a Marine is engaged in melee against three or more Orks by himself, then something has likely gone wrong. He can still win, but it's not guaranteed, and much if it comes down to how he's equipped.This is accurate for all 40k media (outside of SM2). If a Marine gets charged by a Tyranid Warrior on the table he's in some trouble. In DoW2, Davian Thule gets downed by a lone Warrior who gets the jump on him, and he's a Captain at that.The outlier is still Space Marine, where Titus can simply sprint into a full squad of Warriors with a swam of other Nids around them and walk away just fine.
>>737561649I really gotta play these, I bounced off of bfg2 but I love the concept and the aesthetic
>>737546057The campaigns were the best part. Multiplayer was just having to smurf constantly to trick shitters into playing against you just so you can have a game that lasts longer than five minutes.
>>737562872i’d rather eldar be wives than dying race snuff fetishism
Is the remaster good or shit?
>>737564361Remaster is really fucking good, a very rare exception in a sea of shitty remasters
>>737564317TW40K soon.
>>737564626The only gripe I have with it is that it uses Soulstorm's version for the skirmish mode. You cannot do skirmish with Dark Crusade's version, so must tolerate the presence of bolter bitches and gimp elves along with air units.
>>737564759Eldar wife.
>>737564361>DE worker ally still tries to help you build shit
>>737557794DoW2s barks are insanely good.
>>737564909i want to play campaign for ol times sake
>>737560203What about half eldar? Do they get the pass?
>>737564947Eldar should be taller by another head, unless that dude's 6'6".Imagine the spooning.
>>737565082Remaster's got you covered then, since it packs every campaign into one runtime. Really it's worth it for the 64 bit support alone.
>>737557347https://youtu.be/2MbqVEOA_ioIs Dawn of War 3 really that bad if I only care about the campaign?
>>737566362Yes.https://www.moddb.com/mods/guilty-gear-opening-parody-intro-replace
>>737566362>spoilerIt's even worse if you care about the campaign
>>737552678Why did they kill of the chunky boxy lads?
>>737564909You can at least turn off air units if ya want but yea I agree being able to switch which version of the game would be super fun for skirmish
>>737545828because its modern 40k.40k became trash with 8th edition. rules as well as lorewise
>>737546581Eldar come speaking of peace and goodwill but inevitably treat their non-Eldar allies as expendable and due to their prescient powers are also able to manipulate events so their allies take 100% of the casualties. Eldar don't have allies, only pawns. I stand with Maximus Xenogrinder the Butcher on this.
>>737557408For me it's the Chaos voice lines from DoW 2. The Plague Champion and Sorcerer are 10/10, and the Dreadnought is also pretty good."And grandfather Nurgle visited 10,000 plagues upon them""Leave this...the winds of death call us elsewhere"
>>737566871Maybe if you were better at fighting you wouldn't be so expendable, mon'keigh.
>>737566684The modern Dread is still a chunky box
>>737552441>Scenes women will never understand
>>737568119primarshit dread looks like a temu thanatos
>>737546581this is wrongthere is one truth>the faction youre playing as is the good guys>the faction you have to blow up is the bad guys
>remembering the golden age of DoW1 dark crusade mods >Tyranids, SoB, inquisition, steel legion >Firestorm over Kronus with its own fairly well made trailer >Try to get back into DoW a year again >Hear good things about unification >Lots of factions>There's some demon prince SoB or some shit faction >Primarchs as actual units Yeah shit is dog ass. Take me back unironically
>>737545828dow4 looks great, fuck you bait
>>737569092NuHammer did a lot of damage to 40k modding in general.SWGB went to hell thanks to retards at expanded fronts adding yidsney shit into the game.
>was in highschool when DoW 2 came out >Laptop was too shitty to run the pirated game well >Wouldn't be until 3rd year of college that I got laptop that could run it. >Game was basically dead outside last stand >Queued up to 100 active players >Got steamrolled, won a few >One time some guy completely destroyed me >Asked if I was new >Offered to teach me some basic mechanics >Played a few >He never got back on DoW after a month >Unfriended him shortly after because he played games I had no interest inDow2 was deceptively fun. It deserves a better reputation
>>737561670according to lexicanum theyre either out being wraithlords or in the circuit
>>737568890Wrong. My faction isn't the good guys, but since everyone else is pretty much on the level of dumb insects besides those eld*r fags, killing them is more like getting rid of some ants in your yard.
>game is too cool and impossible to follow up with
>>737552441I have seen this cutscene more than any other ever. It's so peak.
>>737568119No is not, give me REAL chunky industrial deathmachines.Fuck NuMarines Dreads and Hellbrutes, they suck.
>>737569092>golden age of DoW1 dark crusade modsliterally no such thing, DC was too buggy for large mods, they couldn’t exist until SS fixed the engine and mods could grow
>>737569864Is that Redux mod? I'm still waiting for the new Necron warrior model
>>737569953I distinctly remember SS having long ass load times for no reason. And the flying units were fucking retarded And the DE and SoB factions fucking sucked
>>737570092It is. It's the perfect mod of DoW for me. DoWPro is too sweaty, and Titanium/Unification is too cringe.
>>737561314You know what's crazy? Not only does dow2 multi-player still exist, it still gets fucking comentator shit too on a mod. IndridCasts is a weird ass fucking thing man, I swear it feels surreal to have dow2 multi-player videos just there every few days with an actually fairly competent commentator just having fun with it.
>>737547534What blows my mind is that this is 6 players at supply cap with all research completed, and 100% of their units appear on the screen. Yet most of the terrain is empty. It's just nothing there. I've had significantly more dense battles in the PSX version of Dune 2000.God, Dawn of War 2 is such ass.
>>737570262Unification is the mod with the Slaanesh 2b right?
Why couldn't there be nids in DoW1 bros..
>>737561335being the most annoying in the room
>>737570360Unification is the plug-in that lets you have xenololi futanari Slaanesh-tier vore garbage.
>>737559662>wtf the character you play as is so OPlook at vermintidelook at darktidelook at fire warriorlook at space marinethere is one commonality, and its that you the player are only allowed to job if you losejust because it's not consistent with your codex>which is always 100% written for, LO AND BEHOLD, YOU THE PLAYER PLAYING THE FACTIONdoesn't make it any more or less canonhell, my primer says tau are a bunch of unga bunga retards, by your logic it must be true
>>737569092>>Hear good things about unificationlol it's dogshit
>>737570262Yeah for me too. It's also a good thing that the dev didn't add a billion units. The chaos gods marks are probably the best thing about the mod
>>737569092>these damn prefab parts never fit right
>>737569708im not even talking on moralityjust on the idea that the good guys is the side you're onand the bad guys is the side you prefer to see gone>inb4 moralityretarded since most of the factions dont operate on morality most of the time, and some never do
>>737570601I was about to type out a massive paragraph about everything Eranthis does correct with the mod, but you know. You're there. You're already at the party.
>>737554293>DoW4 its going to be shitThe Mechaniggus trailer made that clear.
>>737570316Indrid is best, unironically got me into 40k and Dawn of War
>>737555353Most likely to be trash, I am more hopeful for Med 3.
>>737571067not the fact that the dev's only notable game before that was iron harvest? and the fact that iron harvest wasnt a very good RTS?
>>737555608They only good decision they made in last years was putting Mark of Chaos back on steam. What a sovlful game that is.
>>737571159meant to reply to>>737571025
>>737546581>be eldar>do eldar shit like not reproducing and shitting yourself about Slaanesh>suddenly>the voices in the walls speak to you>you have to genocide a human planet so in 1000 years an eldar child doesn't stub it's toe>arrive on genocide target>things become clearer>some chaos shit is happening>humans are trying to fix it but don't really know what they are up against>show up in front of their commander>The tides of fate have brought us here... the child will cry... it is not too late Commander... buy my mixtape...>stupid mon'keigh don't understand your high-iq warnings>constantly interfere with them to do... something>AAAAIIIIIIIII WHY DO THE HUMANS HATE USEvery E*dar deserves to get his soulstone shattered in front of their loved ones.
>>737571159>>737571232That too but there was a chance they learned something from their previous title and just copied/improved DoW 1 enough to make IV fun but already there are too many stupid nigger moments.
>>737557149Perfectly disguised to be honest
>>737570505>xenololiThat doesn't sound like garbage
>>737545828how did he make that inhuman noise?
>>737571452Iron harvest is commonly regarded as a poor imitation of company of heroescouple that with a dev team with as far as im concerned zero talent and a decent enough list of games that amount to "no shit i ever heard of" and again im not sure why anyone ever had hopes for itlike you would have to be a dumb fuck to think the game looks promising simply because you saw "Dawn of war in the title" which incidentally alot of general audiences apparently dont know what dev studios are
>>737571335My headcanon is that every Eldar inevitably starts hearing Death Grips from the wraithbone.
>>737570964I've been following the mod sometime after he left the UA team. He's probably one of few guys who cared about having a consistent style, insted of adding anything that looks "cool"
>>737549118I am tired of admech bullying
>>737555353is this real?
>>737572136Probably not the best place to ask but...How are the Serberys Raiders/Hounds stat wise currently?
>>737572108That's what matters to me, too. I can understand the novelty of Dante from the Devil May Cry series performing a zandetsu on a Titan with Thomas the Tank Engine's face and color scheme while Krystal from Star Fox Adventures uses the Power Pole from Dragonball to slap Darth Revan in the dick, but at some point those kinds of modders begin to add too many Reese's Pieces to their peppers and onions.
>>737559182He visualized how Marines are supposed to move and fight based on basically every book or written description of them. They aren't meant too move like fucking turtles like in DoW 1 they have more than enough muscles to sprint jump and dodge and considering they also have literal years of combat training + biotech augments, of course they can be incredibly precise in thei killings.
>>737571932>promisingHold your horses anon, at best I was implying that there WAS a chance it wouldn't be complete garbage.Pretty much nothing about 40k is promising until I hear about Astartes 2 being made.
>>737571932>like you would have to be a dumb fuck to think the game looks promising simply because you saw "Dawn of war in the title"I think it's even simpler than that, it's literally just the W40K brand. Last DoW was a decade ago and was widely regarded as shit, I won't believe for a second anyone old enough to remember it would be so unquestionably excited about it and anyone too young to remember it would know what DoW even is, so all that's left is them seeing it's another W40K shovelware and getting excited about it because being into W40K is their entire personality
>>737571826Emperor's blessing
>>737559836>when it's retarded>whenLiterally most of the time at this point. The entire HH is complete trash for example.
>>737572562im not saying you specifically, but if youve seen the discourse people are hypedand even more stupidly they think "it looks like total war" completely ignoring the fact that GW does an incredibly remarkable job of making sure its products look distinct and recognizable>>737572698Like there are actual retards that push the narrative that "TW40k looks like dawn of war4" which is to say>lo and behold, a tabletop game from a top down perspective looks like 2 top down perspective games with battlefieldsfucking stupid people>being into W40K is their entire personalityi only think its an issue if theyre extra public about it, like theyre only doing it for appearances
>>737573136>the discourse people are hypedFair, there are a lot of normalfaggots around and RTS games are generally few and far in between so there is an element of desperation for anyone who likes the genre.Poor bastards.I am also convinced that TW40k will a very distinct and recognizable piece of trash compared fo DoW IV
>>737573363We will never have a good WH40K game again until they hire me, Ideas Guy.
>>737561335Vikings, or at least the pop image of vikings.
>>737573439Hear me outFree Cities, but 40kYou manage a pleasure world, enslave and fuck aliensI'll take a humble 10% of sales for the idea GW
>>737573439Precisely.
>>737573363>I am also convinced that TW40k will a very distinct and recognizable piece of trash compared fo DoW IVim a longtime fan of CAthey dont ever make a perfect game, but they do always offer something unique to the table or have done their due diligence to a fault for what they offer, like on some howard hughes-ian way they perfect something that 99% of people wont notice but it satisfies like-minded autists somewhere at the cost of gameplayof that I can trust CA> there are a lot of normalfaggots around and RTS games are generally few and far in between so there is an element of desperation for anyone who likes the genrethey all have ideas of what they think they want in the game and they impress it on whats been presentedStarcraft II was an anomaly as no RTS should receive that much funding and expect to be a financial successAge of Empires 2 still being relevant is a sign of the real issue of RTS "as a genre", be it concept, execution, budget, or playerbase wiseand as a capcom fan I can safely say "some people just dont want new things" and its even worse for RTS, the most niche genre
>>737573689I've said it before, but I'll be brief here. Long-term RTS fans are either bugpeople or legitimately intelligent individuals. Bugpeople won't change games because their muscle memory requires the same game. Intelligent people won't move on because if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Once an RTS "makes it", there's no room for anything else to enter its space.It's why I'm glad DoW2 did something different.
>>737573689>and as a capcom fan I can safely say "some people just dont want new things"As a crapcom hater I can safely say no one wants shit, even when it's new
>>737573906i genuinely dont understand people who hate one or the otherboth are their own game>>737573949>i dont want playtested experiences with refined conceptslmao okayhardware and technicalities aside they dont stagnate, which is a helluva lot more than i can say for companies that rerelease a new remaster of a game that is still fresh from the previous generation of consoles 5 years ago
>>737574145>playtestedlmao, calling the unoptimized bugfest that is DD2 and Wilds playtested is a joke, as is calling them refined when all they did is remove features for the former and casualize gameplay for the latter
>>737573689>im a longtime fan of CAReally don't know what to say. I am a long time hater of CA because for every single step forward they seemingly take two steps back. Then there is shit like Rome 2 where they jumped ten steps backwards and STILL haven't made up for lost distance. Between them being some of the first to push shit like female generals, bugs older than most zoomers still appearing in new titles (some of which they once had fixed) as well as shit like calling themselves "small family company" I cannot stop hating them.To this day I have maybe 900 hours in all 3 warhams titles but easily twice as much in Med 2 because that game is just infinitely more comfy and engaging. The only thing they have perfected is pissing off their fans, similar to GW.
>>737574263>lmao, calling the unoptimized bugfest that is DD2 and Wilds playtested is a joke, as is calling them refined when all they did is remove features for the former and casualize gameplay for the latterlike i said, hardware and technicalities aside the gameplay implementation works wellyou're just in a hurry to nitpick a point i conceded and wasnt willing to defend (because its valid criticism) because you're dumb
>>737574402>I like eating shit, you're dumb because you don't like eating shitlol
>>737574305I should clarify>ive played Shogun 2>empire>napoleon>TWWH2/3>Troy>3K>pharaohand overall all of the games have a good idea they bring to the tableI find it absolutely bizarre that it took until 3K for them to carefully iterate and retain most of their good ideas, but that doesnt change the fact that theyre the only company that attempts what they do, and they dont take it for granted>>737574558>generic offensive strawman with the classic "i totally wont let you know what i like because im a ;little bitch who only exists to attack but cant defend what i like" argumentyeah here's your (you)
>>737546581Keeping it in DoW, the Eldar tried to feed the entire Aurelian sector to a hive fleet in order to protect their Craftworld.
>>737574739>>eldar choosing human life over a single eldar lifesince when
>>737574692Concession accepted
>>737574692>3K for them to carefully iterate and retain most of their good ideasDid they? All I know about 3 Chinkdoms is that the diplomacy system was elevated above completely useless and they put out a retarded fucking dlc before killing the game harder than anything in their past when the dlc got backlash.I am also aware that they actually improve certain aspects of their game but that ALWAYS comes at the cost of simplification or removal of other mechanics. The fact that they are the only company even bothering with games of that scale is more of a curse than it is a blessing at this point.
>>737574878So you admit the Eldar are bad guys.
>>737560369Good luck hitting on 6s
>>737575172Eldar put jabronies in their place
>>737575129>comes at the cost of simplification or removal of other mechanicsi dont know that it is relevant to my experience unless historically accurate>oh pharaoh is fairly plainwell yeah its frankly a militarily dull time period if you compare it to like Sengoku Jidai or the Napoleonic era, but it at least has the best campaign rules customizations that i want to see moving forwardalso underrated but when it happens the blood on the nile looks great>>737575172people like you im 100% assuming are furries>i HAVE to anthropomorphize thing>I HAVE to be able to self insert into thing>I HAVE to projectIf its from the perspective of me playing the Eldar, yes im the good guySeeing as how DoW2 youre playing the space marines, yes they are the bad guys
>>737575478So the premise of the pic I was responding to is false.
>>737575567you mean>>737546581 ?absolutelyits fucking stupidIf im james Workshop what am i thinking>little timmy wants to get his mommy to buy him a detachment>get the writers writing a codex>your dudes must be cool>your dudes have a way of life and principles they live by>if little timmy doesnt care about either of these things, we have failed to sell him on this faction, but maybe he'll play that faction and sure enough he doesYour dudes are the good guysany arguments you have against another player favoring another faction, better be them thinking like their faction, because to do otherwise simply isnt in the spirit of things at which point there is ZERO point in arguing because they dont get how retardedly inept everyone is at seeing eye to eye, they dont get why THERE IS ONLY WAR YOU FUCKING TARDS
>>737576024Hey buddy, you're responding to obvious bait. Look at how much effort you put in your posts.
>>737576147bait or not it is always brought upits like how trolls who dont understand the medium think they can checkmate mormons on magnetismit doesnt work on 40k because 40k is elegantly easier to live by, despite being harder to explain, which is in my opinion perfectly in the spirit of things and part of the fun of liking 40k
>>737576316It's always brought up because it's easy (You)s, ya dip.
>>737547528That sounds horrible
>>737547528That sounds great
>>737576418no (you)'s on forums, discords, redditthreads, youtube comments, or facebook groups yet still asked with confidence
>>737576583False on all accounts, all of those have repliesWorse, they have upvotes
>>737576638fair but at that point its not the people asking the question im replying to, but the people who argue based on normal human morality that rationalize retarded things like how the imperium is objectively good bad [because reasons]
i feel like everyone has their own depiction of what 40k should actually be in their mind and will never be satisfied no matter what GW does atp
>>737576886i dont care for primarisi dont hate it, i just dont care for itbut the hate for the new helmets is overblown
>>737546581The human is the good guy, since all aliens must be exterminated. Every last one of them.
>>737577251Overblown maybe but not completely unwarranted. The older helm patterns are just more charming.Except phobos though that deserves all the shit it gets and more.
>>737576024I'm sorry anon but you're incorrect.If you're really GW then your thought process is;>Or Marine models make us so much money>We shsould make more Marine models to make even more money>We need more little Timmys to buy our models>Marines are super easy to make, so we should push Marines to little Timmys more>We need to convince little Timmy's parents that Marines are alright for rhem to buy for little Timmy>Let's make sure to frame all of our ads and media to show Marines as heroic and awesome, down to their poster boy subfaction is a crisp blue and nice gold>Let's also make sure to have most of our stories be from their perspective to get the point across that they're the good guys>Our older players might not like that so much, so make sure a few groups are still kinda mean sometimes (but not as mean as Chaos and Xenos) so we can pretend it's still grimdark>The Marine fans are already the biggest portion of our fans, so they'll just run defense for us anyways if other fans complain
>>737546057Maybe watch the cutscenes for the other expansions. The intros and the stronghold scenes are fairly kino. Gameplay wise I kinda don't like them but it's fun to play the other races I suppose.Dawn of War 2 has better multiplayer if you play the Elite mod
>primaris>sniggers>nucronsthe 4 horsemen of modern 40k and dow4 is gong to have all of them
>>737552441I thought /v/ doesn't allow webms with audio?
>>737562864Again?
>>737563032Sounds like the Scottish borderlands
>>737576886It's kinda bound to happen when at this point it's literally hundreds of books, publications and other media by dozens of different authors stretched over 40 years. The tone and even the presentation of most in-universe things had 0 chance to remain consistent through all of that and in this case it didn't even particularly attempt to. And unlike in case of other big franchises like for example Star Wars there isn't even one "main" text/series/film that would form a widely accepted baseline of how it should look like. The best Warhammer is always Yourhammer. Except for Myhammer of course, which is always objectively superior to all others
I don't get the idea of making Eldar and Tau more and more evil. The idea of humans just mercilessly killing good aliens and the audience cheers for it because nobody cares is like 10x funnier.
>>737578910Modern Imperium fans take the setting completely seriously while also still believing the Imperium is always in the right and anyone who disagrees ks either a race traitor or a Chaos apologist.
>>737546581>we are doomed to a fate of blackest night>okay what is going to happen>if you do not heed my words you are dooming millions to a fate worse than death>okay what should I look out for>a death beyond your comprehension >okay but what is it>pitiful monkeigh you are far too primitive to understand what I speak off
>>737578910>The idea of humans just mercilessly killing good aliens and the audience cheers for it because nobody cares is like 10x funnier.Modern audiences are genuinely too stupid for this. This kind of satire worked 10-15+ years ago because people generally understood that you can find edgy, over the top shit in fiction amusing or cool even and still recognise that it's absolutely not something you'd actually support in real life. But for some fucking reason most people seem unable to do that anymore. They just have to 100% agree with and associate with the protagonists and they would rather justify objectively evil shit they're doing rather than just say "yeah, they're fucked up but I still like them"
The problem with Eldar prophecies is that they're translating their interpretation of obscure Warp visions into a language that's a fraction the size of their ownLike imagine having a dream that someone is breaking into your house and that he gets there by stealing someone else's car, so you go and find that person to trt and stop the car theft and it turns out they're deaf and illiterate. Then as you're trying to explain it out via sign language the robber shows up, except there's three of them and they're all the deaf guy's cousins.
>>737580323it’s the shittiest form of clairvoyance where the information is always useless or misleading
>>737580323Yeaaah, except almost every single time there clearly is a very simple, more direct way to convey the actual issue (or at least the most important parts of it that humans should absolutely know about) and for some reason they decide to not use it. Also, elucidators (fairly well working translator devices that can handle at least basic Aeldari language) are a thing in 40k that Space Marines, Inquisitors and Rogue Traders have access to. Like, your analogy is pretty good and the fact that human attitudes and politics are often very much a problem is worth noting, but in plenty of situations Eldar could have just said something as simple as "Chaos/Tyranids/Necrons/whatever are going to do X. Y is crucial to prevent this", but they always spout some poetic, metaphoric bullshit instead.
>>737580323>>737581034The issue actually is that it is relatively easy to write worldbuilding shit like describing how Farseers guide the actions of the Eldar via psychic visions and prophesies, and reading the skein of fate, but writing what this actually entails in practice in a way that makes sense is far, far harder.
>>737561335They’re fun
>>737580323To keep it DoW, what exactly is so hard to translate when you want to say>Don't smash the stone or you'll unleash a powerful daemonInstead of>lmao just open fire, maybe we'll kill him before he destroy the funny rockOr>Hey faggots, there's a Tyranid swarm coming your wayInstead of saying nothing at all and sending orks to weaken whatever resistance there was against the Tyranids
>>737581034DoW2's Eldar campaign actually makes an extremely direct point on this.Alaitoc's seers get a premonition that 'the dead' are going to be involved in a major calamity related to Typhon Primaris that they need to stop.When they get there they realize that a Craftworld is buried under the planey's surface, and that an Exterminatus fleet is on the way. Thus they piece together that in order to prevent the calamity they need to stop the Exterminatus from destroting the buried Craftworld.ACTUALLY what the prophecy pointed to was that Kyras would be involved and that he had Taldeer's Spirit Stone as a trophy, and that Taldeer knew the location of numerous Necron Tomb Worlds and that it was actually the Necrons who were 'the dead' so rhe Eldar actually need to save her to prevent a Necron Dynasty from waking up and harming Alaitoc. Keep in mind; Necrons are not in DoW2 (except in a much later Last Stand update) and aren't in Aurelia at all, and are never mentioned outside of that conversation in the Eldar campaign.
>>737581034Unfortunately the Eldar language is virtually impossible to properly express to Humans (and Humans likewise are virtually incapable of speaking it). Even Elucidators have a hard time keeping up with it.
>>737558282Talos explicitly tells the chaos gods (or at least being claiming to be those gods) to fuck off. He hates chaos and disdains those who dabbles with warpshit.He's renegade but not a chaos marine.
>>737581454The prophecy itself being vague and wrongly interpreted is a valid and very classic motif, but separate from communication issues. >Necrons are not in DoW2 (except in a much later Last Stand update) and aren't in Aurelia at all, and are never mentioned outside of that conversation in the Eldar campaign.It makes me really sad that they were probably planning to make at least one more DoW2 expansion with Necron/Tau, but skipped to dogshit that was DoW3 instead.Also, I always wanted a DoW2 style campaign but from Ork/Eldar perspective. Retribution is kinda that, but really half-assed compared to base DoW2
>>737582035>It makes me really sad that they were probably planning to make at least one more DoW2 expansion with Necron/Tau, but skipped to dogshit that was DoW3 instead.Anon the gap between those games was so large that the Relic that nade DoW3 isn't even the Relic that made DoW2. The original DoW3 was stuck in development hell because THQ was imploding.
>>737581835If they're so smart, why don't they just figure out how to translate Eldar (traditional) into Eldar (simplified), then use that as a base to communicate with their betters
>>737582173They ARE speaking tbe simplified version to Humans.In fact there's a recurring joke that Humans trying to speak the Eldar language is genuinely painful to the Eldar who hear it, because Humans are ohysically incapable of utilizing the undertones to it. Guilliman himself once tried to greet Eldrad in his native tongue, and Eldrad immediately asked him to please never try it again and tbat he'd prefer to just use High Gothic.
>>737579534Funny you should post that image because at the end of DOW1 Farseer Macha straight up says "do not destroy the stone or you will doom us all" and Gabriel turns around and smashes it anyway.
>>737582173Would you dumb down your language to ebonics to communicate something to a 70 IQ gangster from Atlanta? That is how Eldar view communicating with humans. They would see it as a humiliating corruption of their language.
>>737582146>Relic that nade DoW3 isn't even the Relic that made DoW2DoW3's main designer is the creator of Dark Crusade. DoW1DE devs still have quite a few of the people who worked on DoW1, including him.DoW3 was simply the last Relic game. Unlike past Relic games, however, people could now refund it instead of sticking with it until the expansion.AoE4 and CoH3 afterwards are when you see a completely different studio take the helm.
>>737564626It literally killed the game's pathfinding because the poopeople charged with designing it have no idea how to code.
>>737582475>Would you dumb down your language to ebonics to communicate something to a 70 IQ gangster from Atlanta?I don't know about me, but you can just look at the past few hundred years of how english evolved as a language to see that yes, they did dumb it down for the colonies
>>737582464This is after she already pulled her bullshit and let things get that bad.
>>737574145>i genuinely dont understand people who hate one or the other>both are their own gameanon, you've accurately identified the problem. Some people want same thing, but more of thing. Dawn of War and DoW 2 are very, very different games. Ergo people who want dawn of war not get more dawn of war in dawn of war 2, and get butt mad to infinity that it's about something other than dawn of war dark crusade/soulstorm 2.
>>737552441I like the flamethrower orc with the cigar.
>>737582464>do not destroy the stone or you will doom us all>okay, doom us all how?>SHOOT HIM NOWYeah really showing off that Eldar diplomacy
>>737557258I know nothing about Warhammer but this image resonates with me.
>>737583308Welcome aboard, it has some cool shit for everyone
>>737583451nah it’s already done and become star wars
>>737568890>play Orkz>we are not bad guys or good guys>morality isn't a word any ork has ever heard - much less pondered>we are merely "da boyz">there are only "da boyz">everything else is an outlier and is merely sumfin ta fight>simple az
>>737557794>the best character in Dead Space is the guy who's voiced by captain Diomemedeswhat about his voice makes his characters so memorable?
