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Since I ordered the Neo Geo and something stupid like 25% of it's library is fighting games I decided that I want to learn how to properly play fighting games (I usually just button mash) and get good at them before the AES releases in November. I bought one of those meme leverless controllers and I'm having fun.

I just beat arcade mode (12 fights) in SF6 using Mai so I'm really happy. I had to use a few continues though, especially on the fight against E Honda.

Street Fighter Zero 3 is also cool, I fucking love Sakura.

Even though I still have a lot to learn, it feels good having at least a slight idea of what I'm doing rather than jumping around and spamming buttons like a moron.
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The Guilty Gear series is pretty cool also. If you have a PC look into fightcade.
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>>737546825
I grabbed a bunch of them on sale from Steam, just not the newest one. Also the BlazBlue games, KoF15, and a bunch of Street Fighter games and collections.
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>>737546274
>I just beat arcade mode
>I had to use a few continues though
you didnt beat the game
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>>737547838
Ok
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>>737546274
Post cool BGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaM0jQZwtho
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>>737546274
I can't into fucking 2d. I am bashing my head over it for few days now and everything pisses me off over this genre
>stupid iframes on standing up
>fiften buttons and fiften meters
>no readeable frame advantage or disadvantage
>modern controls with drawbacks
>games forcing you to play arcade with 67 buttons
I am tired man. Why 3d fighting games must suck dick so much. I wish I had 2d friends back when I was young.
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Playing vs the AI genuinenly makes you dumber and worse at the genre. Fighting games is meant to be played in pvp and nothing else
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>>737546274
I recommend jumping straight into ranked, playing bots will cement shit that will never work against other players, unless you're just having fun singleplayer in which case you do you
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>>737548365
theres not a single arcade game with 67 buttons
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He's a big guy.
Any color edit ideas?
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>>737548365
i think if "readable" frame advantage and invuln on knockdown is your issue, you probably don't understand 3d games very well either

anyways, doa6lr in two months
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>>737546274
>Fighting games are cool
No they aren't. They're like DOTA, LoL or CS: tryhard games people play for the addiction and not because they genuinely enjoy them.

>If you win you feel nothing
>If ypu lose you rage
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>>737548762
Sounds like a (You) problem
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>>737548762
At least in dota I dont have to do two Z movements to cast basic skill.
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>>737548923
https://youtu.be/dPuyagq27hs?is=eT41H1z4KBf5bUKn
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>>737548458
Make it like this one.
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>>737548796
I've never played neither of those games so not really. Meanwhile I've never seen anyone get genuine enjoyment from any of them.

I play singleplayer games and a few PVE coop games and I can say without a shred of doubt I've enjoyed every second. Never seen a fighting game player say the same.
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>>737549336
Oh, they actually gave Krauser a kid?
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>>737549483
https://youtu.be/dPuyagq27hs?is=eT41H1z4KBf5bUKn
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>>737549541
Franz Krauser.
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>>737549541
>>737549704
I mean Franz Stroheim, sowwy.
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I bought virtua fighter 5 revolution yesterday on switch 2 and its pretty fucking neato

I like the fact that you can make every opponent anonymous so you dont have to put up with their bullshit.
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>Two fightan threads
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>>737549807
>like the fact that you can make every opponent anonymous so you dont have to put up with their bullshit.
Wth does this mean? What does putting your opponent do?
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>>737546274
Chad move. I recommend not paying attention to tier lists and sticking with some chars that you think are fun. So many burn out on fighting games thinking they have to be the best. That's never going to happen. Play people online and get stomped. It's fun when you suddenly clutch a win. Pracc some combos when you feel like it.
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>>737549483
https://youtu.be/dPuyagq27hs?is=eT41H1z4KBf5bUKn
Hey guys look, this dog is better than the dude i'm replying to
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>>737550004
It just makes me feel better. Its a me thing.
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>>737546274
Zero/Alpha 3 is so fucking good, nice choice
It's the best street fighter too it's sadly all downhill from there anon
The Capcom collection 2 adds in more characters too so I'd reccomend trying that out if you haven't, it's cool. CvS2 is worth trying as well and CvS1 for seeing the awesome stages and music.
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>>737550526
No i meant what does it do to put someone as anonymous?
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>>737546274
they're only cool to you because you haven't learned how you're supposed to play them
they're really not a cool genre
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>>737548365
No offense but everything you just said sounds retarded.

Pic related in my controller. You have 3 buttons on the left hand (extra one up top is mapped to up but it's disabled), one for the thumb (jump), and 8 buttons for the right hand. Top row is punch, button row is kick. And the pinky buttons are mapped to specific button combos to make it easier.

If you can't wrap your head around than control scheme than you might unironically have an IQ under 85.
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>>737548397
I'm learning the basics. Playing against a human right now means I'd be in a situation where I literally can't do anything and the match is over in 10 seconds without me getting a single hit in. Go kys.
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>>737550898
You're not gonna learn shit from playing against the ai dummy. All it's gonna do is give you really fucking bad habits. Just hop on online. It's gonna go better now than later where you think you learned shit from playing vs ai
T. 7k hrs in the genre
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>>737548762
>>737549483
OP here. I'm playing them because I'm genuinely having fun and getting enjoyment out of them. Just as in any other game, it's fun to challenge myself and fight against strong opponents. Sure it can be frustrating if I get my ass handed to my a few times but through practice I can learn and improve and then after improving it feels really good to defeat that enemy that gave me so much trouble before. Even in a typical standard match it's fun to pull off cool combos and win.
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>>737549483
https://youtu.be/dPuyagq27hs?is=eT41H1z4KBf5bUKn
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>>737551091
what genres do you usually play anon, I'm curious
I feel like fighting games are an iq check like rts and you passed the barrier unlike the other anons here
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>>737550236
I just pick whoever looks cool. I really like Mai, she's hot. I like Sakura too but she's not in SF6, she's always my go-to in Zero 3 though. I tried playing as E Honda and he's pretty cool also but his play style is pretty different than Mai or Sakura so it takes some getting used to. He's a hard fight in Mai's arcade mode, so I'd like to learn to use him myself.
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>>737550706
I think I can say I already learned the basics, so no that's not true. It's a really cool genre. I used to do kendo and this feels kind of like a video game version of that.
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>>737551242
>what genres do you usually play
Basically anything. Platformers, RPGs, puzzle games, old arcade games, visual novels, stuff like that. I really like retro games and will play just about anything, and for modern games I mostly just play single player stuff (mostly Nintendo). My favorite games are Mega Man, Zelda, Pocky & Rocky, and Dragon Quest.
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>>737551037
>learn
No one plays with the intention of doing this.
It's a video game.
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>>737551337
No anon, I don't think you know why you're talking about.
I assume by basics you mean things like footsies or combos. Those are irrelevant when you learn what fighting games are really about. They're about shutting down the opponent, using dirty tricks to keep okizeme pressure going forever, and making the other guy has no idea what's going on.
They're cheap games.
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>the game is bad because i'm not good enough to win
what causes this mindset?
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>>737551826
Shut up bronze rank shitter. Back to r/fighters with you dadgamer
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>>737551952
I'll beat you in anything we play.
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>>737552097
probably yeah, doesn't mean the game is bad though
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>>737552032
Get a job.
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>>737552141
It does mean that I am good enough to win though.
Which is what your post was about.
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>>737552209
if you're good enough to win then you would enjoy fighting games
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>>737552249
Winning does not equal fun.
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>>737551528
Good taste anon, I'd highly reccomend Melty Blood AACC too if you've read Tsukihime. It's kusoge but the really fun kind.
I'd offer to spar in alpha 3 sometime but I'm admittedly usually allergic to adding anons and I just play it with my own friend group.
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>>737551528
play project justice
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>>737546274
>visual novels
Play Blazblue.
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why do people in here hate fightcade?
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>>737546274
Try and 1CC them.
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>>737552450
We have visual novels at SNK now.
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>>737552450
You have to have your brain deep fried in autism to even begin to understand BB's plot, but it sure is a fun game and if OP is looking for singleplayer content BB has it in spades.
>>737552562
Holy shit that looks like ASS. Maybe it's not but the art certainly gives the AI slop vibes
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>>737546957
Plus R is the best game in the genre, and has great online. I recommend it 100%.
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Thread is turning to shit. Tsktsk. Turn it around. Do what this guy said >>737550552, actually get both capcom collections they are both really solid. Play third strike. Play kof98 and kof 2002. Play last blade 1&2 on fightcade they are amazing. Samurai showdown 5 special is dope. Try out the fist of the North star fighting game, it's shit but fun shit.
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>>737546274
>snk fan credit feeding to fight the cpu in fighting games
This may sound a bit rude but you should not have made this thread
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>>737552482
Probably got their ass beat straight back to sf6
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>>737552562
It's kinda okay and short (wasn't expecting a 100 hour VN story like Blazblue), I'm glad it's a "pure" story mode although it's low efforts here and there but the story has some good revelations and characterization and there's more story to come after this too and that's cool.
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Why there are no hitboxes that have the movement keys on the right side
Yes im that kind of freak
No i will not rewire 20 plus years of my habits
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>>737552703
>Thread is turning to shit.
Anon it was shit was the start, do you even realize what you're saying lol
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>>737552897
this nigga used arrow keys for fighting games
You can get custom boxes made, but it's going to cost you.
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>>737552897
Where do people play with movement keys on the sides? For 20 years?
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>>737552897
Mixbox controllers maybe?
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>>737552767
Then I am sure there are people other than me who can recommend some. I don't play any modern ones.
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>>737552897
Allfightsticks can get you a custom plate if you don’t mind wiring it which is easy
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>>737551897
You sound like the one loser in the class who everyone thinks will probably become a school shooter.

I could probably kick your ass in any fighting game and also in real life.
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>>737551897
Until you fight good players that know the gimmicks and how to beat them maybe
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wasd or arrow keys are great for playing shotos doe since you got ez wiggles and buffers for your dps and firebals
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>>737550590
Oh. It just puts stars as the players names. That's pretty much it. I play for fun so doing that helps me relax.
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>>737552735
This may sound a bit rude but you should kill yourself
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>>737552336
That's an easily passable offer. No thanks.
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>>737551091
>because I'm genuinely having fun and getting enjoyment out of them
No you aren't. You only claim that so you can win this argument.
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>>737553347
What a weird option
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>>737553305
SpaceASD which space is for jump.
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>>737553253
Still thinking about your school days, kid? Grow up already late bloomer.
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>>737553418
If you say so
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>>737553421
YOU'RE A WEIRD OPTION
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>>737553253
>you sound like [completely unrelated and bias thing]
schizo
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>>737551528
You'd love Arcana Heart.
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>>737553513
Noooooo
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>>737546274
there are more than 30000 people playing sf6 on PC right now and i don't believe that you would lose in 10 seconds to the world's 29999th worst player
when you select ranked match for the first time, it basically asks you, "are you completely new to videogames or are you a fighting game player?" and if you say you're completely new it puts you at "new challenger" which is a rank below the metal ranks so that you can play against other people who have never played a videogame before. you skip placement matches if you choose that.
there's no reason you couldn't just do that. "learning by doing" i.e pattern reinforcement isn't even a good way to learn anything in the first place (imagine trying to learn a language by walking around making noises at people and deciding which ones are 'good or bad noises' by how people treat you) and "learning by doing" against a CPU opponent that doesn't have any reason for anything it does is the worst way to learn you could possibly use
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>>737546274
Great. They're fun games and you can see what's fun about them.
The only thing I'll say is if you'd rather play on like an Xbox controller, you can go ahead. Something like a Hitbox is for the top 1% of tournament players, and even they sometimes lose to someone on a gamepad. I know you're getting ready to play on a Neo Geo arcade stick, though, so maybe it helps to get used to this kind of input device.
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>>737553694
I hate lolis
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>>737553945
>the world's 29999th worst player
what i meant is actually
"the second-worst player out of 30000 people"
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>>737553401
Naw man, you shouldn't sugar coat this shit. Playing against the CPU is wrong. Just be honest and tell this lil nigga he's retarded. Everyone who has ever played a fighting games knows how weird and pathetic this is. Fighting games are not designed to be played single player.
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>>737548365
Some people think they'll win million dollar tournaments going into a game, then they start playing it and wonder how the fuck to win at all. Care less about being the best ever and more about being better than you were last time. That sort of comes naturally by just playing the game: a little arcade mode to get used to the controls, and then playing against other people and not caring if you lose some.
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>>737554218
This belief is one of the biggest reasons people buy a fighting game, play it for a week and quit. Aside from the game just being fun against the AI, someone who struggles to beat the campaign is going to struggle as much online. Playing against an enemy that actually moves at all and attacks is useful in getting decent at the controls in a do or die situation.
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>>737554626
You don't know what you're talking about lol. The AI teaches you to play WRONG. You will not learn fighting games by playing against the CPU. It's a scam mode to sell games to normalfaggots who will mash in them for a couple hours and move on.
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>>737554068
If that's true why did you post this >>737554218 loli?
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>>737554894
AH3 is the best fighter ever made IMO

Really hope they continue the series even though the creator croaked

At least give us a console release of the new character
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>>737554626
the CPU opponent moves and attacks without any reason behind it at all, randomly. learning to play fighting games is like learning a language and you can't learn the meaning behind doing each thing no matter how much you look at the CPU opponent jump around. it isn't something you should learn how to answer, it isn't something you should copy, it's pointless.
if you need to practice defending against some specific sequence you can set up a training dummy replaying random recordings, if you need to know what it looks like when someone good plays a character or a specific matchup you can look at high ranked replays on CFN, or even reuploaded by a third worlder on youtube if you're really desperate, and if you need to learn how to do a combo then you can practice it on the training dummy.
pretty much everything else after that is playing matches and occasionally figuring out answers to problems you encounter (essentially, debugging) in your replays
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>>737554709
This is skipping way ahead. Some people would play a fighting game on their PS1 alone, then when there was a local tournament, they'd assume they were the best player there because they beat arcade mode. That's an example of playing against the CPU creating a false sense of security: what worked on CPUs might not work against people. It still provides a chance to test out combos, oki, or even basic inputs against an enemy that could win. Playing the game is not going to develop bad habits. It's a lot more useful than uninstalling it and playing DOTA2 instead. It's extremely helpful to play the arcade mode and figure shit out, you just need to keep in mind that beating that doesn't make you world class excellent.
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>>737555402
>This is skipping way ahead
No it's not. And arcade mode is not a good place to "test out combos and oki" because it won't tell you if they are true combos and true oki.

Stop telling people to fight the cpu in some false hope that they'll eventually stop being retarded, it'll just fill the catalogue with these shitty threads about playing the arcade mode, like the first 30 posts on this thread are some of the dumbest shit I've ever read on this website. If you want to give them good advice tell them to play a gorilla.
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>>737553415
Your loss anon even though I doubt you're op
The thread is devolving into schizo drivel anyway arguing about CPUs, if people find arcade runs fun I genuinely don't see the issue honestly.
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>>737555402
playing the game against the CPU is absolutely going to "develop bad habits" and both you and the OP need to learn that losing a match isn't a catastrophic end state where you need to uninstall the game. if you aren't the best player in the world, there is some cohort of similarly skilled players against which you will lose approximately 50% of your matches if you keep playing. the ranked system exists to sort you into that group and then advance you up the ranks as you improve so that you continue to play against similarly skilled players.
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>>737555752
Get over yourself. You're not fun to play against.
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arcade modes can be fun but it has to respect you by not being bullshit input reading timesinks and actually giving you more lore and story for your character, if its just a faceless run through cpus its a waste of time
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>>737556098
Input reading is extremely frustrating. It only makes you do random shit like a dumbass or finding some braindead exploit anyone can copy.
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Watch this if your intention is to learn the game and play other people online.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hFJYXBNMww
Arcade mode is just there for flavor, just know depending on how old the game is the AI might just outright cheat and skew your idea of how broken some characters really are. Even guys like Justing Wong play arcade in old games because there used to be some high tier of bullshit in them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQmNI9ErRTw
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>people screech and cry when someone enjoys fighting games in singleplayer
>same thing with RTS campaign and scenario enjoyers getting put on blast for zero reason
This is the retarded elitist mindset that makes these genres impenetrable for neurotypical people when they see schizoids like in this thread flip out over someone having fun. You have OP genuinely enjoying something new to him only to have the sweat roaches come out of the woodwork seething over someone playing "the wrong way"

It wouldn't be a stretch to see a player like OP stay far the fuck away from any real player when you have shitheads pushing up their glasses being like
>"heh, you're not playing the REAL game, you didn't have fun, you didn't learn anything ackshully"
FGC niggers are the worst
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>>737556513
>This is the retarded elitist mindset
There's nothing elitist about expecting people to do the bare minimum
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>>737546274
So many good old retro fighting games, still can't pick one up to focus on, between garou, kof 98, CvS2, Alpha 2/3, Third Strike, Darkstalkers
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>>737556710
play vsav its the best fighting game of all time
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>>737556660
games are not a job. If he has fun mashing buttons on sakura and touring all the soulful spritework why should anyone stop him?
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>>737556742
sup GuileWinQuote
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>>737556768
He's going to make 800 threads about how he likes pretty colors and flashing lights
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>>737556513
Imagine liking singleplayer in modern iterations or having fun exploiting snk bosses
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>>737556985
And yet it would still be better than every coomer, eceleb, thinly veiled politics, and gacha thread on the board
>>737557005
He said he was playing shit like alpha 3, also SF6 for as much shit as it gets has a fun singleplayer mode too, same with Blazblue.
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Any fighting game have the music change to the anime opening when you activate your install?
I can only think of one JRPG example
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>>737557240
Do BBCF Astrals count?
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>>737557160
>And yet it would still be better than every coomer, eceleb, thinly veiled politics, and gacha thread on the board
That's the thing anon, it's not. Playing the single player mode in a fighting game is the most braindead thing a person could ever possibly engage in.
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>>737557291
I'll take a look. That's the instant kill?
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>>737557338
Yeah, they are. I guess it's not really an install though. They are satisfying to pull off though and the announcer going "ASTRAL FINISH" is dopamine
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>>737557240
Sol dragon install in xrd
Bang in blazblue
Chimperly after lvl3
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>>737557418
Yeah, close enough but damn nothing where you get your install and just go ham? Shit a fighting game with everyone having installs would be cool as fuck.
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>>737557453
How could I forget about Bang? Good example >>737557489
He's the buff ninja guy, not my kind of character but I know people who love his kit and style
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>>737557453
RADIOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>737557302
>the most braindead thing a person could ever possibly engage in.
Nah that award goes to replying to you.
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>>737557983
>mfw other people draw sakura with panties when she's clearly wearing bloomers
it almost offends me the way people draw red saber with panties instead of a fucking leotard.
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>>737555732
Skipping way ahead as in someone who doesn't know how to do a fireball motion isn't going to lab out a set-up and apply it online. There are situations, like the one I mentioned where someone plays a game alone on the PS1, where playing against a CPU isn't very useful in getting better. Learning the controls is not one of those situations. You're trying to say anything to pretend you've made a decent point, so you'll probably say something about learning the controls by reading about them or some shit. That literally explains which buttons to press, but that's not the same as using it in a match. You've probably experienced it where you nail a combo 10 times in a row in training mode, and then drop it as soon as you're playing against a person. There's a logical mentality that you shouldn't expect to beat a CPU and then beat every human. You similarly shouldn't land a set up on a training dummy and then expect it to work against a human. Some things, like the basic ability to move and attack in a match, are better learned against CPU opponents.
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I need to make this into a copypasta but unironically one of the best fighting games around and it solves most of the issues that most people have with fighting games. The biggest con is that it's owned by Bandai Namco and they're never going to bring the sequels over here....
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>>737558463
>Skipping way ahead as in someone who doesn't know how to do a fireball motion isn't going to lab out a set-up and apply it online
If you don't know how to do a qc you go into training mode and you practice doing a qc over and over. If you drop a combo in a match so what? I'm starting to think you've never played fighting games because bronze is full of utter retards and you don't even need combos to get out of that.
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>>737558104
Her sprites makes it look like panties, they're super tight on her
Now, Karin on the other hand
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>>737558623
I can't tell if it's retarded since I'm not a girl but whenever they wear tights or leggings, aren't they suppose to go commando? why do most artist draw leggings + panties shit makes no sense.
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>>737558579
My nigga! Yeah that is truly a great game! Way too many people sleep on it since they aren't into gundam. But the sheer amount of ridiculous movement options and chaos you adapt to is amazing. 10/10 fighting game.
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>>737558579
Remind me why there's so many players use G gundam suits, nobel gundams and 0083 suits?
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>>737558579
i played the fuck out of this on ps4 online but everyone got too good and it stopped being fun for me so i just stuck to singleplayer stuff to try out suits. i played the f91 and psycho zaku
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>>737558862
If it wasn't locked onto sony shitstation and paying $80 a year for online, I'd probably still be playing it. It's so fucking good, low skill floor, high skill ceiling, tons of variety so it never feels like you're playing the same game twice. character choices and 2v2 adds a lot of fucking depth. it's insane how for a simple arena fighter that there's a lot of nuance to it.

>>737558954
FLYING IN THE SKY
[something in japanese]
SHINING FINGERRRRR
G gundam has such goated opening/endings. one of the best plots in gundam too. 0083 is just boomers but GP01/GP03 are beginner tier suits since they have a lot of mobility/fire power and don't really need to front. GP02 is masochistic though and I have no idea how those people do it.

>>737559048
meh you can always take a support position with lower tier suits (like the f91) and let your partner do the fronting until you get used to it. Psycho Zaku is good too but I'd argue you get the most out of it once you really know the game so you don't waste your auto bazookas.
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>>737549812
And there won't be lobbies in either of them
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>>737559340
>>737558954
ah right GP03 is also literal meta so that's probably why too. If I remember, it was Barbatos Lupus Rex / GP03 / Reborns / Rebuke / Gun EZ (for how low it costs, it's actually insane how much it can do)
The game is pretty balanced and it looks like ExVs2 went a little full retarded and I don't think the new burst options are as good as just Shoot/Fighting/Extend but what would I know? I don't live in Japan. ;_;

>>737559489
Don't have my shitstation otherwise I'd ask for a lobby on MBON. I do have Strive and DBFZ if anyone wants to FT5.
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>>737551826
>he plays videogames to have fun instead of using them for learning the game itself
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>Turns out, vee is filled with frauds playing fg's vs the cpu
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>>737552897
I got one of these off of Etsy.
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>>737548332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrQHyPfR1EY
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>>737549483
Im a fighting game player and I have fun with them. Now what?
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>>737548332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4QS2uRwaVY
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>>737549483
>Never seen a fighting game player say the same.
Do you live under a rock?
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>>737557983
why does she have a bulge?
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>>737566038
How dark is your skin and/or how Asian are you
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>>737566662
Lmao. I'm half asian, but my skin is light
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ive been playing fighting games since just before sf4 came out and they aren't always fun, but the insinuation that "every second" of singleplayer games is fun is a flat-out lie since in single player games you spend significant amounts of time in loading screens, menus, reading bad (often localized) writing and otherwise doing mindless tasks that the developer just added to pad out the play time
in fighting games our equivalent of that sort of garbage is when you end up playing against people with really bad wifi or people who are playing deliberately overpowered DLC characters immediately after they're added to the game like T7's Leroy. what I'll say instead of the lie that "every second has been fun" is that in total I've been satisfied with my decision to play fighting games and that overall they have been fun and worth the effort
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>>737548332
https://youtu.be/rBLbrei2DkY?si=djJBYdGxz_9Wh-VK
https://youtu.be/uf2McNfXZjw?si=d9ar1rz2swPppygc
https://youtu.be/ipeUL--rubQ?si=2rbUncHq2yYzAkMv
https://youtu.be/l7tgKZfVbno?si=bypigIiBodiBlAeE
https://youtu.be/vHBQr_DDZPg?si=9w6i-WBiWrjzHeA3
https://youtu.be/1bJhbuakjp8?si=1rhhQjxOhaZeckxj
https://youtu.be/QzKXkz8jftw?si=R1XQBxsQEZ1jjukv
https://youtu.be/xOUouqgqbrs?si=j_7tiuaEc6npUVRi
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>>737566062
what the fuck. When did this song play?
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>>737567106
Based and true.
The amount of fun and satisfaction I've gotten from fighting games over the years completely outweighs the garbage times.
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>>737567810
Dunno if it's in other versions but it's the Tekken Ball theme in the Wii U version
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>one fighting game thread has the "MK is the best fighting game" because it's the most popular bait
>another thread had the "2XKO is actually good!" bait
>another died without any bait
And so, natural order is restored to having one fighting game thread.
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Is that not Bloody Roar?
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>>737567974
>Kasumi and Sol with a single Joycon doing motions
What fighting game is playable like that?
And who is between Kasumi and Sophitia?
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>>737574793
SF6 on the switch has a joycon mode where you have to do wagglan to do autocombos or DI
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>>737556710
Here's Mary from the new Krauser trailer shirt by Obari.
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I ship Chun-li and Dan.
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>>737576518
Those are not good boobs. Imagine the gap between them when she's topless.
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>>737546274
Fighting games are really really fun indeed. All of them. I think the only bad one I tried was Strip Fighter 2 lol. All of them have something to squeeze fun from, even kuso ones. It's also rewarding to try different titles instead of playing only one game autistically for tournaments you might never go to (I do have one game I play competatively but mostly for fun and seeing passionate people enjoying the same niche thing). But it's not just gameplay that is good, it's characters, music, stages, SOVL, artworks, horny stuff, tournament streams and highlights.
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Why is City of the Wolves redownloading what appears to be the whole fucking game in order to get the latest update?
I thought SNK was supposed to be considerate towards third worlders like myself...
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>>737566524
PUFFY VULVA
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>>737580920
steam just randomly does that for some games
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>>737582762
Obnoxious
Oh well, I guess it will be ready to play by the time I get back home from work.
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>>737551037
Why Leverless cause so much butthurt?

I kinda don't get this because keyboards do same shit.
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>>737584173
the people who are butthurt about leverless are people who are either in their 40s and learned on arcade hardware and don't want to change or are in their 30s and entered fighting games in the era where console players also used "fightsticks" i.e arcade controllers with a joystick, typically a sanwa JLF, and they don't want to relearn a different input method that requires more fine finger control
there's also a pretty loud minority of people who don't understand the SOCD regulations and think everybody who uses leverless is using illegal SOCD to cheat
until 2020 or so it was extremely rare to see people show up to locals and plug what are basically mechanical keyboards into the console
if you started playing fighting games on pc in 2023 or something its completely normal to play on keyboard and leverless is insignificantly different from keyboard so it makes sense that you don't care
i used to think leverless is strictly better but after those test videos where tokido and kosaku had different top players do super inputs on their hardware of choice and then compared how fast they could do them i've started to believe that leverless is a tradeoff where you gain movement precision (smaller frame gap between walking forwards and back) but if you use the traditional/intended special and super inputs its extremely difficult or unlikely to do them as fast as people can on stick. machaboo used stick and smoked everybody in those tests
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>>737558612
>you go into training mode and you practice doing a qc over and over.
Like I said, doing it in training mode doesn't mean you'll do it in a match. I agree that practice in training mode helps. I just don't think it completely invalidates playing against the AI.
>bronze is full of utter retards and you don't even need combos to get out of that.
You don't need to be very good to get above SF6 bronze, but you should want to at least do every move the character has. Rather than having a goal to win against the incompetent, you should have goals to get better at execution and decision-making. Not perfect, but better.
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>>737546274
I just saw where initial paid preorders for that NeoGeo exceeded what they expected the thing to make for the entire year. Here's something I'm wondering though: the description of the thing mentioned an updated CPU with the ability to overclock to mitigate or eliminate slowdown previously present, but will that be a default setting or something you can toggle? Because you'd be surprised how anal some people are about "arcade perfect" right down to its flaws, especially in hobbyist circles, and especially with fighting games.
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>>737584716
>tradeoff where you gain movement precision (smaller frame gap between walking forwards and back) but if you use the traditional/intended special and super inputs its extremely difficult
Out of the normal motions doing DP on the 2P side is the only thing that's been giving me issue. You're not wrong though; pad vs leverless is really a matter of taste. On that note, are regular fight pads really going extinct? I would have thought there were at least some brands still selling them.
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>>737551037
These seemingly unavoidable posts that ensue EVERY SINGLE TIME a person alludes to playing fighting games singleplayer really speak to the ego sensitivity of some of your fighting game players. You do something he wouldn't and it's like they're committing an affront to God. It reminds me of when I first started playing on 2DF and made a rule to myself to keep from being discouraged by being new that I would always play as much as I could at least until I got a win, and would sometimes leave after that. These people would go 20-1 but just because that 1 was the most recent, it nagged on their internal belief that I somehow must have created this scenario as a pretense to feel better than them, and they could not have that. Fullblown hatemail from some SF4 Sagat around the same time because I did the same thing and he literally said things to the effect of "you better not go thinking you're better than me." And then you get these types who want to swoop into these threads like they're minesweeper fields and they have to claim the board letting everyone know the "proper mentality." All just reeks of inadequacy and the compensatory habits it brings. Fuck off, Street Fighter isn't cool anymore, you autists fagged it up.
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>be zangief
>see ryu jumping diagonally into me
>use my anti-air where I spin like a beyblade
>ryu can still land beside me and grab me
What is happening in this interaction? I thought I was supposed to be safe while doing the anti-air. Like, I expected it to at least not let people land besides me.
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>>737591090
dix removed lariat working on both sides :)))
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Strive 2.0 is an overrated patch and Season 4 (mostly) had far better/consistent changes
PRC nerf and universal normal nerfs are stupid and characters should have been looked at on an individual basis
Too many characters slipped through the cracks and/or got buffed relative to the rest of the cast
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>>737591225
You're trolling, right?
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>>737591521
you saw it with your own eyes nigger that this shit does not prevent you from getting crossed up
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>>737591090
Zangief's anti-airs are finnicky and he sometimes needs to use normals, or air-to-air, Lariat isn't as good as a DP

>>737591521
No, it doesn't work against crossups but it's also easier to crosscut since it's not a motion
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>>737591772
>>737591841
So what are my options if my opponent keeps jumping over my head? If I use lariat it doesn't hit, if I use literally any other move I end up attacking the wrong side of the battlefield.

I'm a 100% newbie btw please explain to me like I am retarded what I'm supposed to do
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>>737592220
crouching heavy punch lol
good luck timing that
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>>737592481
This is why no one wants to get in fighting games. You fuckers are so insufferable and smug about not wanting to help others.
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>>737592615
good go fuck yourself
-1 redditgief on the ladder
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>>737548332
Always see Omen, Cinder or TJ Combo's theme get posted with KI tracks. But there's some other really good ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2N7JP7k_bw&list=RDy2N7JP7k_bw&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpoOsaTwH44&list=RDUpoOsaTwH44&start_radio=1
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What is your honest opinion about Kasumi?
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>>737576518
>>737577123
Know your history anon
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>>737592989
3rd best member of the '99 Women Fighters Team.
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>>737592220
idk I don't play gief specifically
you can do jump back light/medium/heavy punch (HP has the most return) as a late option, or jump back air SPD if you want to make them regret jumping (input it starting from back, with up back as the last direction and then press kick after a slight delay so it happens in the air)
you can also walk under them while they cross you up and then press lariat, which will now be facing forward, or punish their landing recovery with a normal or even a fucking SPD if they didn't hit you with a crossup normal
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>>737593259
...look, I'll let it slide because competition is always fierce in the women teams, but you're on thin ice pal.
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>cowboy hat
>sunglasses literally all the time
>shirtless
>wearing a trench coat
>fights using iaido, complete with "nothin personnel kid" moves
By all accounts this character should be LAME and corny as fuck but somehow he's actually cool.
Norio Wakamoto is way too powerful.
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>>737596346
This reminds me of a question I wanted to ask across the breadth of fighting games (minus samsho).
Are there any katana wielders who DON'T use iaido? Anytime they bother to have one they seem to exclusively be a blade-draw type katana character.
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>>737596346
Speaking of that, I'm surprised that Nago can somehow make a teleporting vampire samurai moveset look so fucking lame.
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>>737596529
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>>737596543
Is it perhaps he's not iai and just swings his bigass katana like any other weapon? His 623H is a pretty boring move all things considered.
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>>737596543
I only recently got into Strive but it's my understanding that he has been top tier gorilla for the entirety of his existence, so that surely affects out perception of him.
I agree, every time I fight him it feels like a fucking chore, no matter who wins.
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>>737596857
I don't know how to describe it exactly, but the normal attacks look too controlled, if that makes sense. It makes it seem as if they lack power in their motions.
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>>737597516
>too controlled
Considering that you're managing a blood rage meter, I think that's kind of the point and completely intentional with his movements.
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>>737555075
I don't want them to continue the series. Just give AH3X the +R treatment with better lobbies and netcode.
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it looks so shit lmao
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>>737597735
This Daisuke's artstyle right?
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>>737598237
Yeah, that's by Daisuke. Think he did it for the AH3 PS3 release.
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>>737598196
Wtf is that goofy shakunetsu hadoken?
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>>737598298
Dayum that's cool.
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Play Sheep
KUHUHU
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weeee~
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>literally not mahvel
>Utterly and completely ignored despite ton of praise

What happened?
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>>737600963
It's stuck on the Wii.
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Ragnabros... is it true?
Is Ragna THAT kind of person...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNNGqcpL_AQ
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>>737601057
Everyone and their granny have a wii.
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>>737601089
Insane world with a one and only sane man.
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Predict the score.
I know most want to see Daigo as least put on a good show, but I'm sure he's going to get his ass beat. This will be the Jake Paul vs Mike Tyson of fighting games.
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>>737601373
10-5 in Menlard's favor.
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fighting games are where black people and asians come together
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Guilty Gear XX Accent Core +R is one of the best fighting games ever made with a great PC port and phenomenal netcode. There is a very detailed wiki for everything you could ever want to know about it called Dustloop.

I give it a high recommend.
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intersect* would have sounded a lot less gay
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>>737601373
10-7 on Menard.
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>>737601479
FRC my beloved.
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>>737596346
>Norio Wakamoto is way too powerful
They even gave Chiyo-chichi some of Johnny's moves in the Azumanga fighting game.
His coin is a tomato
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>Muh steamcharts -AAACK
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>>737601790
Huh that new VN story mode and the new UI really do wonders.
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>>737596529
Pretty sure Last blade has some characters that have no iaido moves. But it's been a while since I played it so not sure.
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>>737601479
Unfortunately it doesn't have a single character that interests me.
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>>737552652
Its also dirt cheap both in sales and year round on key reselling websites. And for your modest 3-5 dollar investment you get the entire roster of characters in a fully complete game instead of paying 200 dollars over 2-3 years to be dripfed content and stupid "balance" patches. Fighting Games are the king of old = good as a genre.
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>>737601717
Word, FUCK YRC. ALL MY NIGGAS HATE YRC. FRC FOR LYFE
>[faint 'Ro-MAN-tic' in the distance]
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>>737552151
I have a respectable career and only play videogames with the intention of learning and getting better at them.
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>>737548923
There has never been a double DP motion in the entire history of fighting games.
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>>737601790
>patch nearly doubled the PC player base
Wonderful
Things are looking up for City of the Wolves
Well deserved desu
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>>737601932
I'm the same, but GG characters that don't look particularly interesting usually have an interesting gameplay gimmick.
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>>737601373
Mena is an obnoxious, fat faggot zoomie and Daigo is a funny Japanese guy.
Unfortunately """""Street Fighter""""" 6 heavily favors the former so I'm sure he's going to take it.
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>>737596529
Sho Minazuki
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i just play bbcf
but lately it's been killing and cramping my thumbs like hell
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>>737602583
why do you press the buttons so hard bro
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You should tune in to Paragon for some good ass Granblue.
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>>737602673
more damage
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>>737601790
You love to see it. Hopefully more people stop treating CotW like shit and actually play it.
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>>737602708
I find it funny that arc made like 4+ easy casual games and only one of them was really successful. Really goes to show you how fickle the market is
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>>737601790
Oh shit, we're doing numbers now. I gotta get back to the Joe grind.
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>>737602712
this haven't you heard of pressure sensitive combozz bruh i mean doii *does the gun gesture at own head while rolling eyes around*
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>>737602583
Damn bro you play Naoto or something or too much microdashing?
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>>737602879
it's "now" tho so you better hurry up before the numbers recede again
i'm sure it'll be still enough
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>>737603096
no
litchi
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>>737602834
Is DNF COMPLETELY dead? This character is pure sexo and I am willing to tolerate the kuso in order to try her out.
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i want to play kof02um
failing that i'll play anything on fightcade, skill level varies by game ofc but i'll play pretty much whatever

also holy fuck these captchas, on desktop i wait 60 seconds to get 4 annoying overdesigned tests, on mobile i instantly get 1 easy one what did the 4chan staff mean by this
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>>737603153
I stopped watching matches a long time ago so I wouldn't know, I remember things got too samey and long
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>>737603149
>negative edge galore
My condolences get well soon.
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>>737603153
>Is DNF COMPLETELY dead?
/v/ likes to throw around the dead game label way too much.
That being said, DNF is an actually dead game. Cool character designs and Arcsys graphics, but the gameplay is insanely garbage. Mix that with some weird shit about the post launch support and the playerbase fell off a cliff and never recovered.
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>>737603391
Damn...
I guess I might grab it on sale or something to at least fuck around in training mode or whatever.

>>737603310
>filename
kek
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>>737603485
It has story and VN cutscenes well if you cared about dungeon fighters and that khazan game.
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>>737551528
Damn anon if you were gay I'd kiss you. I too fucking love Dragon Quest.
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>>737601163
no one have fight controller for wii
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>>737605115
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>>737605330
Beautiful...
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>>737603485
At this point, I'd say to just pirate it if all you want to do is fuck around in training mode and story mode for a bit.
Or just jerk off to the fighter girl and see if you still want to play the game with a clear head.
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Krauser's trailer implies the Fatal Fury movie is cannon to the games.
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>>737606275
I wish Krauser was closer to his '98 UMFE version. COTW seems to hate quick, damaging command grabs and characters who make their living off single hits or short but sweet combos.
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>>737546274
>Fighting games are cool
If you're a retard who has never touched a video game before, then yeah
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>>737606526
OK zoomie, thank you for your valuable input
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>>737603310
IF they didn't abandon the game and then suddenly return and drop a character pass maybe some people would've stuck with it. I really don't understand who makes these decisions and why.
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>>737606596
NuEighting. They eventually gonna do the same for Nen Impact.
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>>737606559
Zoomers love fighting games, retard
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>>737606741
Whatever you say, zoomie
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>>737606438
giving you a full stick of butter to spend how you'd like at the start of the round rather than "wait until the end to awesome" like SFV seemed like a good idea at first but ultimately just resulted in a game (two games really, between COTW and SF6) about getting up into your opponent's face and doing the same overly long overly easy combo route that you do at all points in the match rather than building up to big spending at the end or just steadily spending across the round
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>>737606741
is that why we constantly have threads about how they're dead or dying? is that why we have retarded attempts to bring them to a new audience like 2xko? you really are just making up utterly retarded shit to try to save face
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>>737546957
I would rec Strive. Insanely good graphics, latest patch significantly revamped gameplay, one of the most alive fighting games besides SF6. can find a ranked match in seconds or at most, 2 minutes, 24/7.
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>>737548762
whatever homo. fighting games are based like lifting weights and playing chess. Every man should teach his son to play chess, lift weights and play fighting games by 10 years old. If the kid continues those three things, for the rest of his life he will be twice as manly, intelligent and cunning compared to the majority of his peers.
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love cpu
hate online
simple as
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>tfw you find someone redpilling about fighting games is the worst genre
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>>737607239
Years ago I would have mocked you but you know what, sure. Literally anything that you have fun with is good.
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>>737607239
I was six years old once too.
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>>737607012
SF6, T8, and Strive are the most played fighting games, which are all targeted at zoomers
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>>737607446
The reality is that all your peers are mostly old with jobs and families that take over their lives, if they play games it will most likely be single player or something casual. Of course it will primarily be younger gamers who have the time and energy to lock in and spend 100s of hours mastering these games. Most older dudes will still try to play fighting games and get unc checked hard by some 21 year old zoomer femboy who has devoted tons of time and watches twitch streams of the game, whereas uncs are just trying to unwind after work and putting the kids to bed.

Only the truely devoted lifelong gamer Uncs can remain competitive at fighting games well into their 30s and 40s. Old men still win Evo sometimes, likely through decades of mindgame mastery that zoomers can't quite keep up with. That is the beauty of fighting games: it's tough, but an old master who never lost his fighting spirit can still school these youngins.
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>>737606946
I agree but I still think COTW does it better and results in a decent game. Mostly because it's actually fucking built on the mechanics of MOTW instead of SF6's bastardized interpretation of previous iterations mechanics. City also benefits from being a little bit faster and having more applications for a character's tools instead of "YOU PRESS BUTTON? FUCK YOU. YOU DIE."

City's true problem is the damn specials-into-specials mechanic resulting in extremely samey combo routing for 90% of the cast. If there were multiple points in a special move you could cancel for a slick reset or something, that'd at least be interesting. Either way, I can't hate the game. It still feels good to play and feels like it's got a bit of soul.
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>>737548397
I play fighting games by beating all the arcade modes/campaigns/whatever. Then I never touch it again. Multiplayer? Never.
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Playing AI is so boring.
They fall prey to basic frametraps, plus I know you scrubs aren't fighting Unlimited characters in Blazblue or some shit where you fight inherently busted boss characters.
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Obari-Sensei's still got it
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>>737608762
Holy despite the inconcistency...
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>>737546274
>since I ordered the Neo Geo
I'm surprised more people weren't talking about that. A full replica for only $250 seemed like it'd be a huge deal, but I remember checking around and not seeing threads here or on /vr/, although I can admit in the latter's case I wasn't looking much beyond just Ctrl+F "Neo Geo."

Although I guess that's probably tamped down a bit by carts being expensive
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DOA news on EVO Japan next week.
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>>737609606
Huge Honka fan very excited to play her game for the first time.
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Just saw the new Happy Chaos infinite. Fucking hilarious after seeing everyone hype up 2.0 just for something busted to make it through the cracks again. It's hard to do but full screen perfect, unescapable zoning isn't going to make anyone happy.
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>>737611113
They say it was an "oversight" but then decide they will patch it after EVO Japan.
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>>737611113
TOURNAMENT
LEGAL
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>lose match against Goldlewis
>my character gets fucking abducted by aliens
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>>737603391
more like DNR duel
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>>737612880
aliens aren't real
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>>737612880
>lose match against Bridget
>sucks my dick and calls me straight
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>>737613514
I don't think I've seen that victory screen...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqaGlzz1Rjw this is peak sf6
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>>737612880
>>737613514
>lose match against Urien
>he menacingly dashes over and stands over my character while wearing a thong
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>>737546274
FGs just had hit after hit in the 90s.
>>737607134
that statement with a groomer gear image has to be bait. you fags aren't even playing the same genre as the rest of us.
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>>737616050
Whatever you say, totally not a zoomie doing his best impression of an insufferable faggot. You were DEFINITELY alive in the 90s and you know what you're talking about.
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>>737616213
>you have to have been around in the arcades to talk about the genre
or you could just post your FCN instead and i can 10-0 you in a game made before my time. no one cares that you cleared the arcade mode once gramps. the actual players are here.
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>>737598196
It's fine for what it is, shit like Street Fighter and Dragon Ball simply doesn't work in live-action, it's too goofy.

This was already obvious in the 1990s, just compare Street Fighter II (the animated movie) vs. JCVD and Raul Julia's movie. This stuff only works in 2D.
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>>737549743
>>737549541
Who is the mother?
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>>737619251
Nope nothing. Just that Krauser has a son this whole time and could be a potential season 3 DLC. I heard there was a COTW datamine...
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>>737598196
Stop it with the AI slop, pajeet.
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>>737546825
>is
Was. Don't bother.
>>737546274
Keep that spirit up. Word of advice: don't ever play ranked. Player/casual match lobbies only.
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>>737618646
>>737618805
Built to continue the Aryan Bogard bloodline.
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>>737620235
>play casual match
>get matched up with a player 10 ranks above me
>get raped
Great advice.
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>>737546825
tranny game
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>>737620975
You're an idiot.
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>>737607824
i'm 35 and strive is among my top 5 games of all time, i raked around 4k hours in it
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>>737621745
I'm also 35 but I can't say the same
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>>737621745
Damn bro you vanquisher or something?
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Im 35 and chopped up and shit at fightans
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>>737624984
After being full grifting retard for few years? Well good for him though unless someone starting to spam finger pinching emojis during the livestream.
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>>737619315
Ryo and Mr Karate are listed as separate characters in the datamine leak. Everything hints that Robert will be Mr Karate.
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>>737625552
100% Robert wearing the Mr. Karate mask.

Hope he's dressed like a pimp while wearing that tengu mask.
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>>737622421
yeah ofc
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>>737625552
>>737627203
Has Robert ever been Mr. Karate before? I thought that was just a Sakazaki family thing.
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>>737592708
I get the post Mick Gordon stuff isn't as good but I really like the part at 1:48
https://youtu.be/pYoA9WddTZ4
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>>737628119
If artbooks count. They've played with the concept before, but that's as an alternative costume for Ryo as Mr Karate.
I wonder how they will explain this in story mode.
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Kasumi as Mrs Aikido when?
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>>737625552
Could just be Takuma
Could even be Yuri I guess
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Hey anons I'm new to fighting games and trying to improve

My biggest problem as of now is that I fold when people corner me, they always attack me instantly as soon as I recover and I have no idea what I can do to alleviate the pressure or afford some breathing room

Example of what I mean: https://streamable.com/ir7n5r

Any tips?
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>>737632662
The general answer is just to block for a bit. That's generally safer than throwing out attacks right after a knockdown. You can still get hit, but holding down back at least beats most things.
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>>737632662
In that entire clip, you blocked twice. And that second time was off a light kick that still left the Juri player plus. The fact that the Juri player was confident enough to just walk up and fucking DP you on wake up tells me that they realized your tendency to try and take your turn back asap (or you're just panicking and mashing buttons) and could just go wild on you after a single knockdown.

That kind of play especially doesn't work with grapplers since they don't usually have any kind of invincible "get off me move", so after a knockdown you might find yourself having to block for some time before you can find an opening to properly start your counter attack rather than trying to mash some shit out every time you get tagged. I do understand that blocking especially sucks in SF6 due to the mechanics of that game, but you really do need to get better at defense. Also, I don't play SF6 anymore, but isn't the 3rd hit on Zangief's chops negative on block? If the first two get blocked, there's no reason to throw out that 3rd one and get wrecked.
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>>737633201
In my head when I recover I should get first dibs on my opponent, it just seems intuitive and fear, but from what I realize that's not the case at all and people that played this for 500 hours know the exact frame they can attack to make me recover into their attack's hitbox, this seems like bullshit game design to me
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>>737633695
>In my head when I recover I should get first dibs on my opponent
Why should you be rewarded for getting knocked down?
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>>737633819
So that the game does not end when someone gets knocked on the ground once? So that you are forced to let your opponent get up and have a minimally reasonable breathing room of like 2 frames instead of 0? I don't have much experience with this genre but I swear every other fighting game I played lets you recover by doing an attack that will hit people camping over your body
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>>737633909
but then the other player gets to play out the power fantasy of knocking someone down and curbstomping their head in
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>>737633909
>So that the game does not end when someone gets knocked on the ground once?
You didn't lose because you got knocked down once, you lost because you got knocked down like 8 times and refused to change your tactics on wakeup.

If a boxer gets tagged hard in a real match, the ref doesn't stop the fight and let the woozy guy take a few swings before allowing his opponent to continue the assault. He has to defend until he either finds an opening to turn the tides back in his favor or he gets dropped on his ass.
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bros, i need help. i'm absolutely horrible at closing out rounds and i often end up choking what should be easy wins by fucking up at the last second. is this just something that gets better over time?
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>>737633909
>lets you recover by doing an attack that will hit people camping over your body
I guess you could throw out a drive reversal (forward + drive impact) when you're knocked down. Dunno if people will punish that in the lower ranks.
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>>737632662
>they always attack me instantly as soon as I recover
yes
that's how fighting games
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>>737634328
>>737634435
This is fucking bullshit, I spent the last week trying to get into this game but there is so much obnoxious bullshit to keep track of NAMELY what is the frame advantage of every single attack in this game

How can people think this is okay?
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>>737600873
Opantsu?
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>>737634534
oh for funsies, use up all your drive gauge and burn yourself out immediately to get new frame data
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>>737634534
Generally you only care about what's plus and then assume everything else is minus instead of learning every single one.
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>ask for advice
>get answers
>respond by bitching about the genre
Are you actually here to get advice, or are you just being a falseflagging retard looking for (You)s?
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>>737634327
no, keep choking
GAWK GAWK GAWK GAWK GAWK
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>>737634738
>>737634804
It's just a frustrating game. I also hate that as Zangief whenever I use a heavy normal attack people can instantly drive impact me and I can't counter it because I'm locked in my normal attack's animation that takes 10000 hours.

I tried learning other characters but I don't want to combo, that's why I'm playing zangief.
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>>737634534
gief doesn't like being cornered, but you have options. you should always be buffering your spd so you can catch people off guard, a quick jab or light kick can help you as well
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Where's my Pokemon fighting game?
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>>737634804
Why would anyone try to help a Zangief player
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>>737634954
>I don't want to combo,
gief is a tough character for a new player to pick up imo, i assume you don't have the dlc but if you want a character who doesn't need to combo and is extremely safe you can just pick guile
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>>737635049
On the Wii U
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>>737635049
That happened years ago bro
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>>737635049
Sir?
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>>737603391
>the gameplay is insanely garbage
That's every fighting game.
The important thing is cool characters.
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>>737635049
https://mizuumi.wiki/w/Pokemon:_Close_Combat
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>>737635001
Is it just me or is zangief just garbage?
>SPD is impossible to hit from gold onward because either no one is in range, or whenever they are in range they are throwing attacks that have frame advantage to SPD
>can never counter drive impact when poking because your normal attacks lock you in long animations
>if you accurately predict someone's jump and try to air SPD, they just have to normal attack mid-air and their hitbox will reach you first
>if someone jumps into you lariat won't work if it's a cross-up, in fact I did extensive research and zangief has literally no response to cross-ups whatsoever all you can do is keep distance to avoid them (but you also can't do shit from a distance lol)
Again I've been playing this for less than 1 week but this is what I gathered from my limited experience with gief.

>>737635076
I was thinking about buying some DLC characters but apparently you can't even TEST them without paying which is the most jewish shit ever. How am I supposed to know if the character is fun to play without trying?
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>>737635049
I kinda remember one called Pokken I think, not sure
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>>737635049
>Locked behind nintendo consoles
>Small Indie project by one guy
Take your pick.
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>>737635279
doesn't sf6 have a rental fighter feature now
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>>737633909
A move that knocks down is useful specifically because it gives you time to do something else to hit them as they get up. You can do super lariat if you absolutely need to use an attack, but that's a fuckload of meter on something that might not even work. Blocking is more reasonable in that situation. In other fighting games people will sometimes like Shoryuken the instant they get up, and you can just block that and hit them with a huge damage combo.
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>>737635056
just jump back lmao learn how to play defense instead of unga bunga gorilla all day lol
I swear Zangief haters just don't like fighting games.
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>>737635279
>but apparently you can't even TEST them without paying
That's not true in SF6 tho
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>>737635362
Rental ticket to try a DLC character for one hour yeah.
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zangief is a mindgames character, you shouldn't be acting first as him, play defensively and vary your offense between grabs and normals so your opponent doesn't know whether to block or throw out offense
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>>737635549
I still don't understand how I'm supposed to be grabbing people as gief. I can't get close to them without being punished, and if they get close to me all their attacks have frame advantage so I'm the one that gets punished. Maybe he is a drive rush character? I still have no idea how to use drive rush but I read that you don't need to use it until diamond
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>>737635713
stand light kick into drive rush cancel, forward heavy punch or SPD
enjoy your literal 50/50
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>>737635713
isn't light spd like 2 frame start up or am i mistaken
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>>737635861
It's so slow though
>>737635919
It's always 5, only thing that changes is the range
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>New player with lacking D tries a grappler
Welcome to the grappler world anon, unless you're using a SNK grappler I hope you enjoy sitting in the corner a bunch.

Improve that defense and mindgames or you're going to have a bad time.
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>>737635442
>jump back
>defense
Picking redditgief is already proof that someone doesn't want to learn.
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>>737636364
What character would you recommend for a beginner? I want something straightforward. Looked into Juri and you had to accumulate stocks and then connect one special move into the other while juggling between attacks, seemed like way too much effort

It can be a DLC character I don't mind paying if the character is fun
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>>737635713
Knock them down. Go in, go for a meaty attack as they're getting up. If they don't block they eat shit and you can go for another meaty, repeating the situation. If they learn to block then you start doing grabs. The difficult part is getting the initial knockdown, so learn your buttons and their ranges. Also learn block strings that are safe even if they block, so you dont get punished.
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>>737636556
just buy sagat and have fun
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>>737574793
Hayate from Fighting Layer EX
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>>737635206
>That's every fighting game
No retard who actually hates fighting games, it is not. Dnf duel is just downright bad just like nen impact and whatever future 8ing game.
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>>737636556
Just going by your posts itt?
>easy to learn
>don't want to combo (so short combos that do ok damage)
>want faster buttons
>want a reversal move
>more mindlessly aggressive offense

Pick Marisa. Big buttons, her guard move thing is both a reversal and a command grab, armor on some of her moves and iirc she's generally just faster than Gief. Honestly, given your apparent playstyle a grappler sounds awful for you.
You could also switch to Guile like the other anon mentioned, but he requires some pretty strong defense to get the best out of him, Marisa can just unga bunga her way through shit.
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>>737637030
Marisa looks like a tranny, I wouldn't enjoy playing her, sorry
>>737636782
I'll look into that, being unable to test them still stings, people here said there are rentals but I just looked it up and it is impossible to get the rental tickets
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>>737636364
Potemkin is probably the most ungrappler grappler, dude has no issue playing at range or getting in
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I've actually really been enjoying the World Tour campaign in SF6. I made a female E. Honda and getting to practice the basics while dressing up my character has been a good time.
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>>737637384
its pretty fun but late/postgame can be a real grind
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>>737637458
RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG RED FLAG
Don't care though.
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>>737637458
I imagine the devs realistically wouldn't say no in being able to market DoA7 on the EVO stage but how ironic.
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>>737637384
I played it on launch and throwing on Dee Jay's air slasher and watching the heavy version break the AI was fun. It also unfortunately turned me into a slut for charge characters.
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>>737634327
That just sounds like a mental thing anon. If you found something that opens your opponent up to the point that you got them down to the last bit of their HP bar, it should work again for the KO, or you throw a small twist in your offense.

>is this just something that gets better over time?
There will always be some time where you spill your spaghetti, but it does get easier to keep your cool as you become more familiar with a fighting game, yes.
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>>737636364
No, down backing for 10,000 years because of having slow normals as compensation for all kinds of fucked up moves is an anime "grappler" thing. SF6 only has anime "grapplers" though, real Zangief gameplay is walk blocking and spinning through fireballs for the whole fucking round because you win the game if you get to close jab range, not armoring through any slow move, jumping from any distance because of your fucked up trajectory altering splash, and threatening SPD from any cancelable normal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-AzE4fOMXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7XA29HH2J4
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>>737600873
Pantsu
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>>737601089
Ragna can't even boast having two lolis in his house.
Or even have a house.
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Come on fags recommend me SF6 characters that are fun to play and are not too technical, especially DLC characters
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>>737640682
I'm not telling you what's fun. That's a personal journey.
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>>737640682
bison
sagat
mai
guile
ryu
blanka
luke
ed

take your pick
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>>737640772
How can I know who is fun if I cant even try the characters? I sort of rely on other people's opinions here, I want to buy a DLC character
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I don't understand the "redditgief" meme, but maybe it's just one guy.
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>>737640829
>Mai
>Ed
These are the ones that interested me. Mai because she is hot. Ed because he is the one I hate playing against the most, whenever I face him he uses a bunch of weird hax against me.

Are any of them overly technical? Which one is most newbie friendly?
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>>737640907
mai is super easy, you just throw ex fans and then drive rush throwenloopen
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>>737640682
There aren't really any SF6 characters that are too technical, especially because getting better at the game usually means using the universal options better. You should just pick whoever looks cool and worry about how to play them later.
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>>737641009
Uhh C Viper cancels?
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>>737637458
The smart choice would be some sort of "streamer mode" where anything PG13 is hidden, but normal people can still play DOA as normal. Plenty of people only buy the game so they can play dress up with the girls and they'll scream CENSORED as long as it's not full penetration porn, though.
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>>737640887
He's basically tough guy but an intellectual. And while that's cool, a certain type of obnoxious is going to get attached to that character.
>>737640907
Ed's technical if you want to get the most out of level 2 big ball of psycho energy but otherwise he's pretty simple.
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>>737640907
both of them have a fully invincible ex dp that you can throw out if someone's on top of you if you hate drive reversal because it doesn't make you glow yellow
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SF6 sets anyone? I live in NA but worldwide is fine
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>>737641556
i'll play some. set up a lobby and post link. i'm a bit of a shitter though
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>>737641741
i'm in the NA13 battle hub with the RohtoZ costume
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>>737584716
>the people who are butthurt about leverless are people who are either in their 40s and learned on arcade hardware and don't want to change or are in their 30s and entered fighting games in the era where console players also used "fightsticks" i.e arcade controllers with a joystick, typically a sanwa JLF, and they don't want to relearn a different input method that requires more fine finger control
>there's also a pretty loud minority of people who don't understand the SOCD regulations
You missed one. There are also people like me who don't like hitbox because we view it as joyless pun intended. The classic arcade stick just looks and feels fun to me. If you're sweat/moneymaxxing, then I think hitbox can absolutely be a valid option. But just for fun? I find it offensive to my "is that fun? does it have sovl?" sensibilities. And yes, winning more often is generally more fun than winning less, but it doesn't seem to affect max performance much or sometimes even at all in most cases.
>ermmm then why do you care chud
Because I'm an autistic retard. It invokes the same autistic sensation as seeing someone asskiss a game I think is gay or shit on a game I think is kino.
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>>737606275
They've been bringing stuff from the anime adaptations into the games for a while now. Julia appears in Real Bout 1 (background of Pao Pao), Terry was getting closer and closer to doing a Hadou Senpuukyaku (the tornado move from the OVAs), and then they just gave it to him in CoTW/SF6 (although it's upside-down).

Gigantic Cyclone (Krauser's version) is very clearly inspired by the OVAs. He had it since Real Bout Special.
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>>737642053
dced for a second, coming back
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ggs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1EHm-3_PFI

hello my jive brothers, I know anime is ick but if you wanna try it out for clout until the next good sf patch then here you go
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>>737635116
>>737635171
>>737635172
>>737635290
Doesn't count
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>>737642967
Because it's an arena fighter?
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There are days where I wish someone beat a healthy sportsmanship mentality into me.
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>>737641156
Viper isn't technical as much as she's annoying, the superjump cancel windows happen after the hitstop, so buffering specials depends on the normal you're pressing and you end up having to "delay" your specials on heavy normals
It's not difficult to do, but in the heat of the moment you'll fuck up 5HP>Thunder Knuckle Feint, get Focus Force and just die
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i am much worse than i thought, pure gorilla retard mode. ggs. i'll keep labbing
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>>737643838
ggs. don't forget that blocking is a good default option on wake-up. i didn't throw much so you will be immune on defense if you hold down back. keep blocking until my normals push my character out of range
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>>737643503
crazy how daigo is mainly a drunk but can also embody the spirit of pure competition and drop godly quotes at will
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>>737643838
>pure gorilla retard mode
kek. it can be effective, you just have to be more selective on when to mash sometimes
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>>737643963
i kind of fold under any sort of pressure like that, i was attempting to do things way out of my depth when i should have just been keeping it simple. when you're playing in silver/gold you pick up a lot of bad habits that get you killed vs better players kek. ty for the matches. i'm just gonna keep playing bison
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>sf6 metal ranks in this very thread
so what i'm hearing is that there are anons in these threads that i can flail around with and not feel bad for wasting their time?
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has anyone been to EVO before? are there free-to-play setups where you can play after going 0-2?
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>>737644562
they're chopping off your balls if you go 0-2
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>>737644562
i bought tickets for evo once, cost me a ton of money, was gonna fly out of canada and meet some of my international friends there. was super excited, had an awesome hotel room i paid big money for. too bad it was evo 2020 and the event got cancelled and i didn't get any refunds for anything
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>>737644168
>i kind of fold under any sort of pressure like that, i was attempting to do things way out of my depth when i should have just been keeping it simple.
yeah that's the right idea, keep it simple and don't overthink it. you only need to do "layer 2" strategies in very high ranks.

if you are getting pressured, trust the blocking option. you are losing nothing when you block except a few chips to your drive gauge. only commit to a risky option like delay tech or jumping when they start throw looping
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Dualsense is making me so fucking mad, anyone got a replacement for this shit dpad? I might get an xbox one controller again but that thing has really bad QC. My shoulder buttons always keep just not working after a while.
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>>737624984
Based, I'm looking forward.
>>737625330
Shut the fuck up you troonera faggot. Kys. Bet you never whine about max dood being a total grifting faggot because he shares your politics.
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I like Ramlethal Valentine
Smashing people with gigantic fucking buttons is fun
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>>737644562
Yes, have been there multiple times. Depending on how big your game's area is you will most likely have a spot to run casuals as long as you're not playing during proper bracket times.
That being said, since it's a bigass event a ton of space is taken up by vendors but even smaller games have their own little dedicated section with lines upon lines of CRTs.
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quan chi is my favorite fighting game character design. shame that mk is mostly bad
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>>737558717
Depends on the person. Some women do wear nothing. Others don't mind the visible panty line and wear panties underneath.
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>>737645490
MK extra large is good and only modern one that worth play.
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>>737644693
>i didn't get any refunds for anything
How in the ever loving fuck have I never heard about this? And the EVO shills were all just okay with this?
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>>737548332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15IQ1nvjGCM
A FUCKING TANK
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How can I train leverless, especially QCB/HCB and gief's level 3? I spent so long labbing a combo on stick last night that now my wrist and shoulder ache like a bitch.
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>>737646941
>especially QCB/HCB

Classic KOF. Also slide the buttons my nigga.
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>>737646941
>now my wrist and shoulder ache like a bitch.
I wanted to get one of these because they were supposed to be easy on the hands...
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>>737647390
Anon is probably retard or putting weight on his palm.
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>>737646941
>gief
learn it by buffering it in the air
then practice normal spd inputs
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>>737647390
>>737647794
>on stick
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>>737648017
Oh kek
Please understand, getting old has also made me even more retarded than I was before...
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SF5 looks like a WEG
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>>737648650
You uh, you're off by a number friend...
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>>737637458
The "core values thing" was just Koei hiring some whores to stand around at their booth being lewd which pissed off the gays in charge of the event
Soul Calibur 6 was a raunchier game than DOA6 and it was an evo game at the time that whole drama happened
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why do the japs rate elena so highly
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>>737648650
No 3D SF looks good.
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>>737648997
Dogura says she's good and they take his word for it. Why does he say that? because she's... good at footsies or something
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>>737648997
Japs take in account people who play the character instead of the character by itself
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For lever sticks do heavier springs actually help with flickback? Is changing my hand posture and input the only option left?
After swapping between 1lb/2lb and testing nothing changed or maybe returns to neutral 1f faster sometimes. Could I try a heavier spring?
Don't let me down stickchads or I might swap to leverless.
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>>737649067
IV and V look good.
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>>737643170
pretty much, Pokken had a much clearer path to success had they just gone with a tekken or whatever clone game. By implementing the field system along with the rounds, camera limitations, etc, there was a clear cap on how well Pokken was going to be received by both casual and hardcore players.
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>>737648997
elena is one of the worst matchups because i can't keep track what all her buttons and roll specials do. it's hard to tell what's safe and unsafe, especially when all of them have built-in space traps
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>>737648997
because they go for the throw and she deletes your life in the corner because of that
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I HATE Marshall Law!
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Who was that cute helper girl on a Tekken cup
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Newbie here, I feel like I am missing some major fundamental skills but watching the replay I have no idea what to focus on improving, plz help I literally can't win any match I just want to know what are the obvious things I am missing

https://streamable.com/s9vo3u

I also struggle a lot with delivering damage with her. I was expecting modern controls to help me do the combos, but they all start from extremely short range and burn from my drive gauge like butter, I don't want to learn classic if possible though
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>M
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>>737653551
are you still on your placement matches? it looked like half of that match was misinputs giving the wrong move
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>>737653551
nigga you play on modern
just use your 1 button specials and whenever you connect a hit just hold auto button for free combo
also never glue off your opponent just keep throwing him or slapping him with your specials or slightly walking back and pressing heavy or fan
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>>737653551
you weren't using your OD special moves with any expectations or ways to follow them up. Less than 10 seconds in and you're already under drive meter while Alex has taken hardly any damage.
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>>737653551
I have a hard time you're not just randomly pressing buttons
Sit down, take some time to learn what your normals/specials are, get in range to press them, learn how to take your turn when you can and how to not overextend
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>>737653816
Yes and I can't win any of them it's so over
>>737653950
Okay but my specials barely deal damage, which is what this anon pointed:
>>737654343
I also feel like I am not dealing enough damage but how is Modern Mai supposed to deal damage? My auto combos all drain drive to barely deal damage anyways, and my normal attacks don't have follow-ups other than the light one that needs to be in throw range. At this point what is the point of playing in modern?
>>737654570
Anon how do I learn this

Every guide I find is for classic and the combos are not applicable to modern
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>>737655141
>it's so over
well you'll get put into silver where maybe there'll be easier matches abound (iirc the lowest you can get placed is 1 metal rank below your current peak)
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>i dont do enough damage bohoo
YOU HAVE AN AUTO BUTTON THAT HITCONFIRMS YOU INTO DECENT DAMAGE FROM ANYTHING
YOU EVEN HAVE COMBO TRIALS FOR MODERN YOU WORTHLESS REMEDIAL FUCK
GO FUCKNIG PLAY DIVEKICK IF YOU WANT EVERYTHING DIE TO 1 HIT
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>>737656339
The auto button burns through my gauge. If you watch the clip in the first round I am literally delivering auto combo after auto combo, at some point I am out of drive and my opponent still has like 50% health left.
>combo trial
Did you even look at what they have for Mai? It's basically "do your auto combos, or do a light attack and then auto combo and place a special at the end lol"
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Seriously there's gotta be at least one anon itt that can tell me what I can do to learn how to deal damage as Mai

>just do the combos bro
I am trying that. I memorized three combos and went to try it in real matches. People just block my first hits and then punish me. Her auto combos are useless. If I use OD fan + auto combo I am down to 2 drive meters, it's ridiculous, what is the point of modern if you can't use the autos?
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>>737546274
They were cool.
They really were.
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>fighting game discourse in 2026
>still having to wrangle newb tards begging that the game be made more understandable or accessible to them in some way via outside help but now they have Smash controls and still can't figure it out
grim
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>>737656905
I am just genuinely curious for what I am supposed to be doing.

The lot of you must be boomers that have been hit your heads against these games for 10+ years and 2000+ hours. You can't realize that it's hard to pick it up during the first few hours.
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>>737656905
I'd post that instragam of that african dude complaining about Invincible Versus' tutorial not explaining what an Assist Button is.
Twitter absolutely roasted his ass but his actual short had a bunch of people agreeing with him.
They can dumb these games down forever and dumb motherfuckers will still find ways to complain.
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>>737657250
and I can tell you're a dumb kid because you think hostility and pre-emptive judgment of the people you're trying to extract help from will do you any favors. try playing the game more than a few hours and see if that helps, retard.
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>>737657365
This is /v/. I never expected any help from you lot. In fact I'm 99% sure most of you are shit at this game. My posts are mostly just venting, the real help I'm getting is from youtube
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>>737657509
That is 80% the objectively best choice.
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nigga really trying to call anyobdy shit at game with that display of skill in the link he posted
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>>737657770
NTA but a shit player is better than someone who doesn't play.
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>>737657820
yeah not that anon right
go fucking do the tutorial bro and the combo trials to atleast intermediate and go watch play some high elo modern mai players
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>>737657905
I don't play SF, I have no horse in this race.
I just see SF players talk a lot and generally fall back on the defense of
>My game isn't so dead that I need to prove anything to anyone here by playing them
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>>737657905
I am newbie-anon and the anon you are replying to is literally not me
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I may as well ask, how do you beat Axl's stupid ass chain throw? If I block, I'm stuck at full screen. If I jump, he drags me in for a mixup.
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>>737549336
Pretty cool, but I was hoping for a Daughter of Stroheim
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>>737658107
Rensen?
Same deal as every other projectile, you dash block into close range until you can contest
Don't ever be linear in your approach
Matchup wise, your character may have some options like anti-projectile or movement

If he does nothing, he's fairly minus and you can cover a bit of ground

If the explosion followup is instant, he's minus, if it was delayed, it's plus and you won't be able to dash block very far after it

If you ever go to the air, don't just instant air dash because he will blow you up for it, you can do delayed air dashes, double jumps, superjumps.
Kara cancelling an air normal into FD also makes you fall faster (same deal as doing air normals but without the associated risk of whiffing)
The air followup also doesn't always give him a mix depending on spacing/height and whether you FD or not. If you ever accidentally IB it, he may be punishable

Also the whip only hits the floor, don't make the mistake of thinking it's an anti-air

Treat it as some RPS like Fuujin/Dandy Step instead of thinking his neutral is godlike, sometimes he'll be right by accident, and when you'll pick the same option he might autopilot to another followup
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>>737658118
I remember back before the game even came out that I was saying the story of CotW should be about Krauser revealing he's got a kid who ends up becoming Rock's main rival.
Had to wait until ver 2.0, but I'm glad that I was right on the money with that prediction.
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>>737658879
I've been playing Unika, main thing is it's hard to approach. I can't actually win projectile wars if he uses the explosion even if he's minus and I try to laser, I still lose. If I block and try to dash in, I get pushed all the way back to fullscreen trying to dash in. And if I guess wrong trying to laser, I get punished by an IAD jumping attack. But it might just be inexperience because this is what, my 4th or 5th day?
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>>737659170
Nice on calling that one.
>Terry & Geese=Rock
>Joe=Preecha
>Andy & Mai=Hokutomaru
>Krauser=Franz
>Grant=Vox
>Ryo=Marco
Fatal Fury is really pushing family & legacy. Maybe we'll get Franco Bash's kid next.
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>>737606526
Hell of a self report.
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>South Town is dealing with a fucking gang war.
>Metro City is relatively safe-ish
Well we all know now which city is the bigger shithole
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>>737661057
South Town needs a Mike Haggar.
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>>737661225
Terry should've just taken to the streets and whaled on anybody who got in his way while he went off to face Geese personally, instead of humoring some wack ass tournament. Speaking of the tournament, I love how the KOF tournament is Geese's brainchild in the first Fatal Fury, but that doesn't stop Terry from wearing hats branded with it.
>fuck this piece of shit who killed my adoptive dad
>dude has SICK merch though
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>>737659608
Yeah Unika lacks the ground mobility to dash block, but it's not that bad of a matchup
She has a short jump, so she can at times hop over Rensen if you're running at him

You have to send it with 236K at times, even if it's unsafe. If you have meter, RC it and start mixing his shit
Another thing is up close, you can use 214S instead of the laser it's a bit faster, will beat projectiles because it's a disjoint, and it gives you a very good HKD, or combos in the corner on counterhit

You use the laser not to zone Axl out and prevent him from going in, but to remind him he can't just do Rensen for free and he has to either change his game plan, or take a risk
The second he tries to IAD at you, that's where you should take the advantage and either counterhit 6P him into your ez-bake vortex pressure, or try to get greedy with a 2H anti-air and murder him

That's why you don't always use your counter-zoning, it's better to miss an opportunity to use it, take the minus frames and chip damage than to get fully punished and sent back fullscreen
Take your time, look at what your opponent is doing, and don't panic

Also if Axl pulls you in, you can always just say fuck you and DP in his face after landing
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Anyone wanna FT5 in Strive/DBFZ/Tekken 8?
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Starting to learn Fatal Fury.
I was thinking of learning these characters, any suggestion on difficulty?
I was thinking either
>Chun
>Hotaru
>Ken
>Kim Jae Hoon
>Ronaldo would be funny as a pocket
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>>737662726
It's been hard to find a place to raw 236k because the chain does hit low so it's not like Jam's puffball or Dizzy stuff where I'll throw it out raw just to catch them off guard. But yeah, the main things have just been getting impatient trying to get out of the corner. I definitely need to use 6P more especially for antiairs since his jump buttons catch me pretty often but I always forget it exists. I'm at Diamond 1, halfway to 2 and still just don't use it.
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>>737663015
and how much will the muscle memory fuck me up if I play Ken sorta in SFVI already lol
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Can someone redpill me on all the current 2d fighting games?
>SFVI
>Fatal Fury
>Granblue
>Under Night
>Strive
>Etc
What's the difference between them?
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>>737663151
Yeah I don't mean 236K as an anti-zoning tool, but rather as a way to close the distance
You can also air-to-air, which will beat Axl's jS. Unika's jS is pretty good albeit 13f startup
>I'm at Diamond 1, halfway to 2 and still just don't use it.
I mean that's good progress for 4-5 days I gave up before P3 because I think Unika is mad boring
There aren't really a lot of tricks to the Axl matchup, you just have to kinda grind it out
He's also a very solid character in the current patch
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>>737663535
That's how I normally try to beat aerial attacks, just jumping and hitting an attack before they do, but I do definitely need to learn to just stick to the ground and throw out a 6P instead sometimes. It works well against most players but it feels like overusing it can be a bad habit. Admittedly I do feel partially carried playing her, just having a DP and long range goes a long way. I did not find close to the same success trying Jam but I won't stress over it.
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>>737663518
>>SFVI
extremely entry level, focused heavily on system mechanics that completely shape the game. massive playerbase
>>Fatal Fury
pretty by the books 2d fighter that feels like a throwback to older games, it has a powerful system mechanic as well but its not as centralizing as the others. small playerbase
>>Granblue
extremely entry level, focused heavily on system mechanics that completely shape the game, even more so than sf6. smallish playerbase

>>Under Night
Anime fighter with less mobility but a heavy focus on a system mechanic that turns the game into a tug of war minigame that can flip the game on its head. characters are very distinct. tiny playerbase
>>Strive
Its a guilty gear game that has been simplified but not completely dumbed down. Slower than older anime fighters but the cast is distinct and the game is much more neutral focused than other games on this list. big playerbase
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I'm tempted to reinstall Strive after the last time I tried it I got fucked up by a couple players on like Floor 7 (which was the lowest floor at the time that had players).
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>>737661225
I wonder if Mike Haggar could've dealt with Geese
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>>737663518
>>SFVI
I find it unbearably fucking ugly and I know that Capcom will eventually pozz it with Enigma Protector so I never bought it, someone else can tell you more about it
>>Fatal Fury
Very rough around the edges and movement can feel sluggish at first when you're figuring out the game. Has strong defensive and offensive mechanics that you can utilize; personally not a big fan of the whole "cancel special moves into special moves into special moves" thing it has going on.
>>Granblue
Very simplified fighting games made with beginners in mind. Has a very questionable guard cancel mechanic that is not inherently bad but could definitely use heavy rebalancing.
Cast is full of characters you can only know if you play the gacha but even as someone who never played that, I found many of them cool and fun to play. It's not a super deep game but I do think it is much more nuanced than what many people imply
>>Under Night
I haven't played this either but it looks fun, even if combos are way longer than what I would personally like
>>Strive
People memed about this becoming "just anime Street Fighter" because it is slower and significantly simpler than previous Guilty Gear games but it's still very much an anime fighter. Recently received a very healthy patch that toned down some of the horseshit (while allowing new, different horseshit)
I think its strongest point is character identity, as every single character plays quite differently from the others, some of them to the point of being gimmicky but that can be a plus depending on who you ask.
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You ever play against a scrub but just get annoyed since you could probably win but you got too tilted. I hate how these are actually my worst matchups.
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>>737663015
Ken is noob-friendly, you can sorta get a "flow" of COTW once you play him for a while. Pick Hotaru on the side and use her more often as you get used to the game. Watch tournament play.
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>>737663015
Hokutomaru and Ken are pretty easy. The rest are kind of hard, especially Chun if you want to do her optimal stuff.
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>>737666639
Wait, I misread Hotaru. She's kind of easy but her damage is low so you'll have to get 1 or 2 more hits than usual to kill.
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Am I the only anon that feels that SFVI is actually casino?
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>>737666945
No, that's actually a pretty standard reaction to it.
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Have been enjoying Starward.
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>>737667249
BLACK
ROOOOCK
SHOOOOTAH
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>>737667124
Fuck man, I never feel like I outskilled my opponent or I was outskilled unless it's a complete skill gap but SFVI has me the most feeling like "holy fuck that match was bullshit". Not even Strive has me feeling this way and maybe it's just me but SFVI input whatever feels so fucking bullshit. I swear there's so many times when I press something and it's like "nah go fuck yourself go eat a dick"
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>>737668441
I was already very, very uninterested in 6, then literal children started beating up players who have been playing for decades, and some people actually DEFENDED that shit saying how "uhm... pros just didn't adapt" or some idiotic thing like that.
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SF6 killed the genre
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>>737666945
Throw loops felt casino.
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>>737666945
>>737668441
It is a casino with a bunch of 50/50s. Not even tekken has that many 50/50s now that they nerfed heat
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Puw
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>>737666639
>>737666639
Hmm, I'm thinking maybe I'll hold off from playing Ken since I'm seeing his gameplay and he's a bit too honest in Fatal Fury. Any other beginner characters you recommend? I'm really only in the waiting line to play Kenshiro lol
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>>737666639
MR Big links 3 random EX and does 75% of damage , no setup, no footsies, just a hitconfirm.
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can someone please tell me how I am supposed to hit confirm command normals in sf6? The timing is so tight it feels right on the edge of human reaction. I can barely confirm 50% of the time in training mode, I don't know how in the hell I'm supposed to do this in a real match. The timing is just too strict.
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>>737669701
it's not, it's one if not the slowest fighter ever made. Game is so dogshit it revolves around whiff punishing and sliming.
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>>737668725
Ken is not honest at all. He can just maul you if you don't know how to deal with him. It's just that him and Chun have some different mechanics so it can be hard to switch off of them if they're the only characters you're used to.
Most of the cast is easy to pick up. Rock and Terry are never bad choices. Maybe go with Marco if you want a shoto kind of character.
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>>737669930
honestly looking for someone like Gio, just no frills go in fast and strike throw strike throw strike throw.
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>>737669793
that's not an answer. don't replay to me again
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>>737669980
That's Blue Mary
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>>737669994
It's really just practice. I get it though, I've had a hard time too which is why I switched to mainly characters that don't need to hit confirm.
>>737670045
Sweet. Thanks! How's her difficulty?
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>>737669994
What the fuck does hit confirming a commnad normal even means retard, hit then in their startup? actually impossible without a read if it's a 5frame command grab.
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>>737670107
She has dash cancel stuff that's kind of tricky but it's not too bad once you get it.
The only thing you need to know with her is ex slide into ex flip kick is + and gives you a combo on hit.
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>>737670134
when you have a chain of two or more command normals and you need to hit confirm off the first one

this isn't difficult to understand. do you not know what a command normal is?
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2.60 will undo all her nerfs.
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I keep playing the level 5 CPU funsies, keeping life regen on and basically racing to deplete the other's all the way first. Kind of fun way to play the game, had me wondering how enjoyable it'd be with a real person, then I realized online training mode has been a standard feature for ages. Does anybody really use it?



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