go back to pebbit, and take your wow thread with you

The reply is hilarious. Complete misses what the original post was saying, and validates him in his ignorance. You don't NEED to play any specific spec to raid, but raidtrannies turn everything into some weird hypercompetitive flex in a game that is pretty easy if everybody just does the right thing vaguely.

Nah Turbo Builder's Club was fucking based. Best tier

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>Redditors got it right for once.

>>737555383
I think it's valid to enjoy raiding and care about it.

People say all this crap about Vanilla having a "lived in world" but the only time you really engage with it at all in 2026 is griefing other 60s once every few in-game days as you ride between instance entrances.

state of this fucking site

>>737555185
these people are so pathetic its insane

Nerfing solo farms killed TBC anniversary for me. Also the expansion sucks major ass since it's 90% raid logging

>>737555185
social media was a mistake. who gives a shit about muh opinions

>>737555185
I was wrong on all accounts about TBC. It really is what started the downfall and why WoW is and has been dogshit since 2007. Wrath doubled down on TBCs failures and made everything worse. After that it never recovered. I quit TBC anniversary within 2 weeks of launching. It was just boring dogshit. Can't believe I ever liked that game.

>>737555556
>People say all this crap about Vanilla having a "lived in world" but the only time you really engage with it at all in 2026 is griefing other 60s once every few in-game days as you ride between instance entrances.
leveling is the best part of vanilla. raiding is fine, but the hyperfocus on it is retarded, and it's not even difficult like people sold it as being for so long.

will /v/ ever stop playing wow?

>>737555707
No. Conquest of Azeroth SOON. We are so back.

>>737555918
I think I saw the same post one year ago

Wow started to get fucked when they started making raid requirements more strict but at the same time were not actually balancing the classes to be able to handle it. The only reason you brought half the classes in the game was because you needed 40 people to fill space and in 2004 it wasn't easy to keep things organized. But then you hit Naxx and they decided that it was time for content that needs 8 warrior tanks because no other class could actually function for that content properly because nobody in the game scaled the way warriors do.

Funny how every new vanilla server still devolves into idling in your Capital and then using summon bots to get into the dungeon you bought boost for.

>>737555185
I'm playing TBC Classic for the first time now. I played TBC back in 2006, but I was a stupid kid and I don't think I got all that far.

I like it so far, but I genuinely dread reaching level 60 and engaging with the actual TBC content. I'm just liking levelling with all the new talents, the tons of new quests added to levelling zones (a part about TBC I had totally forgotten) level 30 mounts, etc. The vanilla game is just so much smoother now.

But actual TBC content (60+) does suck. I hope Classic+ is at its core just vanilla with class adjustments, because in Vanilla like 70% of specs are meme-tier.
People want more raid tiers in Classic+, but fuck that, that's just a return to the "seasonal game" problem that the game already has, where there's massive population spikes on releases but otherwise it's dead. I want a "forever home" again.

>>737555185
Resilience improved gear expression and there's still PvP-PvE gear crossover for every spec, arguably more meaningfully because you have to be more picky about what PvE gear to use. People who complain about it are invariably shitter warrior mains who are upset they can't instagib people in arena. I agree with the rest of the post.

I synthesized the perfect version of Classic: Replace raids with new TBC heroic style dungeons with long, cave-like entrances to funnel world pvp

I just want TBC era so I can raid log twice as much.

>>737556982
No one likes the world pvp after it devolves into the gank phase.

>>737557529
World PvP might be fun if it wasn't for the 0.1% of losers who "enjoy" it, design characters around it, and make it fucking miserable to walk around the open world. There's a reason everyone demands fresh servers all the time, shits only fun when you're fighting other normal people levelling not rogues with spite in their heart

>>737555185
>reddit phoneposter
unholy combination

>>737558225
Yeah wows open world pvp is just being outnumbered and ganked while you are trying to do something. It usually is wasting time. People who enjoy world pvp just like fucking over other people and ruining their day making them waste time running back to their bodies and doing it again. There is a reason almost every single video game did away with "open world pvp". Because everyone, all developers especially saw exactly what it is and the people who enjoy it are a very small minority. It's a non issue, that era is gone and classic wow is the only game with it and thats an unc game for aging gen x fags

>>737556002
You didn't need 8 tanks. People back then were just full retard. There were guilds 2 tanking it in classic.

>>737555185
Hardcore raiders should be given an endless mode like in Killing Floor 2.
Designing the game around them is foolish.

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>>737555456
kek

>>737555556
remove raiding from the game. when you hit max level, your character should be retired. an adventure should have a beginning, middle, and end. they shouldn't be expected to go on forever.

>>737555185
Vanilla had a lot of instanced shit destroying the purpose of the world. Blizzard wants as few players interacting as possible because it could cost them 10 cents per month instead of 5 cents.

Classic could have been perfect if the hybrid tax wasn't a thing that just made every class except warrior shit tier

>>737555185
This is true. The "TBC was peak" people only say that because they got in to guild raiding during extremely late vanilla and TBC. That's when the end game raid content was made in to the main content loop. It was a radical shift in design philosophy.

If flying mounts are so bad why do you buy a warlock summon whenever you need to leave Orgrimmar/Stormwind?

World buffs were a mistake and I preferred when the only auction house was in Ironforge

>>737555185
TBC started the trend of abandoning Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor (the World in World of Warcraft) and added flying. for that it deserves to be shitpiled on forever

>>737555185
I've been saying that for 25 years. Flying, instancing and queuing kills open world games. I hated it since day one.
Guilds used to be formed around memes that don't even exist anymore. I remember there was a guild called Meet in Kargath. Because guilds used to station there before making the run to molten core.
Now no one would even get the reference because you just press a button and are instantly teleported to your destination. It's so soulless I can't believe they ever thought it was a good idea.

>>737558385
>It usually is wasting time. People who enjoy world pvp just like fucking over other people and ruining their day making them waste time running back to their bodies and doing it again.
Same tired argument that people make about souls game red invader systems. People who view video games as check lists instead of enjoying the moment to moment gameplay are bothered by things that slow down their content grind.

I fucking loved getting ganked and especially going around STV keeping my head on a swivel.

>>737555185
Turtle WoW reminded people of what vanilla could've been if Blizzard had not veered towards the TBC design and now that it's gone people are rightfully critical of classic's direction

>>737555185
>took reddit 20 years to figure it out
Wasn't a fan of TBC, still ain't now.
>all TBC private servers deader than dogshit
VOLUMES

I hated resilience when it came out. Pre-resilience PvP with raid gear was the funniest time I had in wow.

>>737555185
I liked raids and arena so I enjoyed TBC massively when it released but yeah, he's right that TBC is when it started to become more of a lobby game and the design choices put forth in TBC led to WoW turning into what it is today.

>>737559814
When Mists of Pandaria removed resilience from gear, I was one shotting people with Chaos Bolts and it was the best time I ever had playing WoW. I would go into RBGs and it felt like I was hacking. The second best time was vanilla though, they went too hard trying to balance PvP for esports.

>>737555185
>Classic+fag
>Redditfag
Oh no no no no no

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>>737555185
>Redditors got it right for once.
It's shocking really. I am getting worried.

>>737560024
I felt like a elite mob melting people with my tier 2 gear. Made going through the raids worth it to rape in PvP, good sense of reward. Then PvP gear came out and it completely killed the fun.

>>737559689
Souls isn't even remotely the same. Ive been there since day 1 in demons souls on the ps3 and it was always an opt in system

>>737560603
destroying people in blues in vanilla felt so satisfying, man. it legitimately made raiding feel worth it when you got more powerful for more than just doing more raids. if you didn't have a pvp set of your own, you'd get destroyed by someone in pvp blues because resilience was that busted. shit sucked for sure.

>>737555185
BUT WRATH IS THE PEAK OF WOW
>reused raid tier
>uninspired tier sets
>dogshit content
>slop dailies
woah

>TBC only appeals to turboautismo raid poopsockers
this is common knowledge at this point

>>737555185
>world pvp praise
peak posershit

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>>737560603
>Then PvP gear came out and it completely killed the fun.
That was a real pain for hardcore pvpers who didn't want or couldn't join raids. I distinctly remember some guy posting on either the wow forums or some other place like mmo-c that he was totally anally pained because some keyboard turning pve geared warrior could keyboard turn and oneshot his character despite him believing to be the superior player skill-wise.
I can see both sides of the argument but pvp gear and resilience totally destroyed the world. Going in a dungeon and having your fireblast crit for 400 damage and then enterting pvp and it barely going over 250 was jarring, made up numbers btw.

Seeing some orc warrior with sulfuras was fucking epic and made you run the other way screaming because you knew that was a bossfight. If the pvp rank was over 11, you were in serious trouble too. It made the world feel alive in a way that post flying mounts, post pvp gear, post class rebalancing for arenas just didn't feel the same. Of course a lot of people started post TBC or Wrath so they have zero knowledge or experience of what the game was before, but they did find out when classic released. It just was a totally different game.

Also it goes without saying but transmog also destroyed the core of the gearing experience, which is central to the health of the game. You just don't care anymore about visuals.

>>737560868
It was the height of the game’s popularity and the last time you could call WoW a genuine cultural phenomenon literally everyone was playing. People are more nostalgic for the time period moreso than the mediocre content.
I don’t even think people pretend to love Ulduar anymore after Wrath classic came out and everyone was reminded how shit it actually is.

>>737555185
>muh meta
leave it to players to optimize the fun and variety out of any game.

>>737561169
Some of the best times I ever had was as a resto shaman that stacked int/sta and every single resilience gem.
Literally could not die unless I ran out of mana.
Entire Alterac Valley raids focus firing me with earthshield on as I healed myself until oom.
Glorious. Resilience was the best stat ever.

>>737561169
>Also it goes without saying but transmog also destroyed the core of the gearing experience, which is central to the health of the game.
it also killed gauging how strong the enemy was. if you saw certain gear on them, it was much more intimidating. the only way to tell is health pools but it's not as fun as being able to tell how strong they are just by how their character looked.

>>737559471
>if teleporting with console commands is so bad, why do you use flying mounts?
you might actually be brain retarded

>>737561483
In the context of current WoW I think that doesn’t matter. The art direction is a mess and there isn’t as much of a clear visual distinction between questing vs dungeon vs raid gear as there was in banilla.

imo it was the aq patch and onward that really ruined wow. one day when I'm rich I'll develop an actual good mmo based off of vanilla wow, just yuo wait.

>>737561669
i feel like devs sort of stopped caring as much now that transmog is a thing because they know what they do doesn't matter as much anymore. there's no need to make the armor look cool and iconic so that people will want to raid or pvp just to get it.

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>>737555185
It's crazy how everyone talks about it like it's a drug

>duuuude please man rework the game bro that'll hold me over till classic+ (another hit) man... please...

i was in one of the best guilds in the world in 1.12 and honestly the game is not worth the time you spend on it anymore, there's no community and even in guilds people barely make an effort to treat eachother like real people

>>737555604
Every wow is 90% raid logging because that's all there was to do before M+
>m-muh pvp!!!
no one ever cared about your loser bubble

Elves ruined WoW

>>737563081
Midnight made that more obvious than any prior expansion

>>737563081
I find myself thinking this more and more everyday
Night elves shouldn't have been playable in vanilla, they should be obscure NPCs and quest givers like they did with the high elves
And high elves should've just been fully wiped out period, that mystique of them being this huge and powerful ancient civilization that was lost to time is what makes them interesting

>have quests to turn in
>alliance has decided to "conquer" hillsbrad again
>all the npcs are dead
>its a pve server

yeah great organic world content there

>"You think you do but you don't"
>Rerelease vanilla
>They thought they did and they do
guess the customer is really always right

>>737563536
Night elves had the coolest zones in vanilla, so if that means losing those fuck that idea. What would you even replace them with?

>>737555185
classic was such a red pill I feel for people that didn't understand that vanilla was the only wholly good WoW experience, especially kino to see MoP babies get brutalized by reality like that too

>>737563081
tvth nvke

>>737563081
based and factual post

>>737555383
This, anyone that talk about the meta of a game deserve to be banned forever and go play some shitty fighting game or RTS

vanillafags be like
>if I can't gank lowbies in stv I ain't playin

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>>737555185
>You can only play 4 specs in vanilla if you want to dps
This has always been bullshit. You can play whatever you want in vanilla because the dungeons/raids aren't difficult and you had access to absurdly strong world buffs. Even if you're playing some shit tier dps spec you could still find a spot in a raid because when people are trying to fill a 40 man group they aren't going to be picky.
Once they moved into the expansions they started introducing the concepts of higher difficulty dungeons and smaller raid sizes with way less room for mistakes, forcing groups to lean more into meta comps.

>>737563982
vulpera

>>737563720
>and they do
Meanwhile in reality vanilla is dead as fuck lmao

>>737564954
No guild takes meme specs retard
>Once they moved into the expansions they started introducing the concepts of higher difficulty dungeons and smaller raid sizes with way less room for mistakes, forcing groups to lean more into meta comps
Except for the part where they actually balanced classes. Theres 100x more class stacking and metafagging in vanilla raids than retail raids

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>>737561483
>it also killed gauging how strong the enemy was. if you saw certain gear on them, it was much more intimidating
The gear back then was so iconic. If you saw Ashkandi, you knew it was gonna hurt and you had to either avoid that player or die. Every piece of gear was so distinct looking and memorable. There weren't 4 Ashkandis, one for ilvl 334(welfare LFR), one for ilvl 341(normal) and one for ilvl 356(elite). It was just one fucking sword and you instantly knew what it meant, that guy and a guilt went in a raid somewhere and fucked up a boss which was difficult and because they did that, it meant something and gave value to the item and status to that player on the server.
Now it's fuckall worthless shit nobody cares about. Why bother going to that raid if you can just go queue some arenas and get better gear to fuck shit up in pvp?

>>737563720
>guess the customer is really always right
They didn't want to do it because they didn't believe they could monetize classic. Once they figured out there was an audience instead of freeloaders on private servers, they up and done it quickly.

biggest problem with vanilla is fucking WORLD BUFFS
i don't care how heckin soulful the rest of your shit is, i absolutely cannot stand the shuck and jive world buff routine and TBC is based as fuck for completely moving away from it

I've stopped giving a flying fuck about WoW for 10 years now. Let it die. You can't go back. Stop giving nu-Blizzard money, you donkeys.

>>737555185
Pvp cancer started in vainilla dude, wtf? You had to waste your life in that snowy bg
I hope turtle returns as a BC server, they could make TBC great

>>737567561
It’s not just that but nobody actually wants to play the meme specs to begin with. Sitting there oom two seconds into the fight or autistically grinding hundreds of crowd pummelers to play cat dudu is not fun to anyone but truly extreme masochists.

>>737562961
There's more to do in vanilla over TBC lmao, get fucked grey parsing raidlogger nigger

>>737567780
The issue isn't world buffs, it's the guild you raid in and the autism. Sure, world buffs make the raids much easier but if you can't clear 22 year old content, the issue isn't the world buffs.

I enjoyed the levelling in tbc and the outland lore with orcs and dranei is cool but the endgame pve sucks and they made Illidan into even more of a retard than he already was

>>737568019
argument doesn't work because people naturally flow paths of least resistance, even casual mom&dad guilds do the world buff shuffle multiple fucking times a week-- because they have access to it, so why wouldn't they
literally a case of people needing to be protected from themselves. yes they don't need it, no that doesn't stop them and they WILL expect you to blow 200g in consumables a week because the GM is a gold buyer has no concept of money

god dude fuck classic and everything about it, sick of that

>>737561481
back then when people wouldnt kick you or press cc lol

WoW and its raid culture is what killed MMOs. It made the genre hyperfocused on lame gear grinds and instanced play. The insane instancing is the true grievous sin; it defeats the whole point of MMOs. Players should not have queues to join, they should have to walk to the dungeon, as a group.

oh and fuck arenas as well

>>737567961
Everyone wants to be the guild speshul snowflake until it comes time to walk the walk
>Oh I can’t get invited to any 5-mans unless I play the role I’m trying to avoid
>Oh yeah and I never get to roll on the gear I want for the spec I actually want to play
>Oh yeah and I need to find a guild willing to take me over the fifty shitzillion warriors rogues and mages running around
>Oh yeah and I still never get any gear
>Oh yeah and I need to poopsock grind and hyper minmax way more than anyone else just to barely contribute dps
>hmmmm…. *accepts being a healslut or rerolls*

>>737567561
>No guild takes meme specs retard
I saw plenty of people taking meme specs to their runs during the og run of classic. Only the tryhard speedrun guilds were running a raid half filled with warriors.

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>>737555556
His point is the raids in vanilla are so easy you can do them on your disc priest / moonkin / ret pal / survival hunter or whatever. The DPS checks are such that you do not actually need 8 fury warriors, those are just if you want to clear it in 35 minutes.

This is proven. No class NEEDS a fucking buff, doing it would just allow them to rape the game like fury warriors do.

>>737569162
Yeah but like, the original complaint is about TBC right? And I don't think its inherently wrong to make 1. raids more difficult and 2. make DPS specs more balanced if you're making an expansion, classic+, sod, whatever.

its just a strictly better experience. the only possible reason I could think for someone to dispute that is a warrior main faggot who likes seeing a purely brown meter

>>737555383
Dude, You could only raid in SWP if your party had at least 10 druids
TBC fags hates Wrath because the game tried to go back to where Vanilla was, and Blizzard fell for the world first race e-sport shit.
Funny that

All Wrath Haters are fucking britbong euros, and their voice was always the likes of fucking Preach.

>>737569654
>You could only raid in SWP if your party had at least 10 druids
?

>>737569015
Shut up shitskin
We have logs, we know warriors are taken over 100x more than ret pallies

>>737569745
Because M'uru aka the biggest fag ass fight ever

A reddit screencap thread, /v/ is nothing but a corpse nowadays

>>737555185
>reddit screenshot
>phone faggot
Huge tranny vibes.

>>737568573
No one is forcing people to do that content or other devs to make mmos like that, they do it because they want to. This X feature killed a genre is such a retarded argument

>>737560829
Sounds like shit game design. Your idea of fun is just shitting on every one else around. And they should keep playing the game, uh, just because?

>>737555185
Trying to turn area into an esport was fucked up.
If arenas werent invented they could have made so many random pvp objectives in the world.
The most fun pvp nostalgia was massive outdoor pvp fights with my friends.
Raids only need a Normal and Mythic mode.
All the baby handholding modes should have been world quest content related.

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Epoch literally does this but no one is playing it because Ascension are cunts and refuse to acknowledge it still exists

>>737555383
>You don't NEED to play any specific spec to raid
You have a much higher chance of getting into a raid if you're a useful spec though. I played with a guy that was a hardcore ret paladin throughout vanilla and TBC and he had to fight really hard to get any spot at all. Inviting more than one basically never happened unless there was literally no other alternative.

>>737555556
You don't enjoy raiding if your goal is to speedrun past it

>>737555185
Jeff's gonna try do it again and funnel Rust and DayZ content farmers into his western game to farm content on.
The game is going to be trash but it will be the set dresing for these streamers to money launder on.

>>737567561
>Theres 100x more class stacking and metafagging in vanilla raids
In classic yeah, in vanilla there really wasn't. Classic isn't vanilla.

>>737572908
Epoch devs fucked it over themselves by biting more than they could chew to the point they had to sell out to ascension to even become playable for a moment.

>>737555185
This is an argument between high quality one-time experience games, and skinnerfied online service revenue streams. WoW was never meant to be the former, it was a subscription service revenue stream for Blizzard from the start, so obviously it became more and more skinnerfied as time went on. You see this happen every time someone tries to make a new WoW classic server. People have fun for like a week then they get bored and leave because there's only so much you can do with the game without those constant skinnerfied content updates.