Has it ever been more over for a fan base or was it always cooked? Newfags out number the old guard 10:1 and are extremely confident in their awful takes.
I still really want to try this oneI actually quit the old ones because they were stupid hard so this one seems like it might be up my alley
>>737555514Zoomers unironically think 4 and 3RE are harder than NGB/2
>>737555460Been playing since pre black ng1. Why are people who love 3 ragging on 4 for shit like walk and talk sections when 3 is full of dumb shit like kunai climb or stealth sections? Even 1 has utterly pointless platforming and lame puzzles.
>>737555460This happens to literally every game. Armored Core is the most recent example I can think of as one-sided, maybe even worse since AC6 was actually popular unlike Yakumo Gayden
>>737555460isn't the old guard the lambasting the game because it doesn't play exactly like their buggy mess?
>>737555460>Newfags out number the old guardBrother that game bombed.
>>737556194>buggy messFirst the "unbalanced" allegations then the "unfinished" allegations and now the desperate anti-Itagaki schizo straight up shat out "buggy mess" because none of it worked.You're mentally ill, kill yourself.
>>737555673For me, the difference between NGB's non combat moments vs NG4 is that i find the on rails subway surfers shit to be aesthetically dumb and condescendingly simple. At least in NGB a short "puzzle" or movement section requires a modicum of thought/execution and brings you into the world a bit more. Either way, my issues with 4 is mostly with the combat and visual design.
We arent going to get NG5 in the near future are we....
>>737557012huhNg2 wasn't finished. I loved itagaki. I love devil's third and I love ng4
>>737557317Probably not since we didn't get NG4 either.
>>737555460>Newfags out number the old guard 10:1 and are extremely confident in their awful takes.If that were true then Ninja Gaiden 4 wouldn't have been one of the biggest commercial failures of 2025.
Why are we getting so many Ninja Gaiden 4 threads? No one gave a fuck about the game not even when it launched and suddenly for the past two weeks we've been getting threads non-stop. Are they being made by Xbox marketers trying to promote the new Gamepass price, using this particular exclusive as hook?
>>737557303See that's totally legit. Complain about the combat all you want. But who the fuck wants those platforming sections back? They're mindless.
As someone who genuinely enjoyed NG4 I don't see the issue with the original Ninja Gaiden fans hating the fuck out of 4. They're the original, true fanbase and if the new game doesn't satisfy them then they have no reason to support it. There are a few franchises where I've hated every sequel because they aren't like the original or missed the point of the original. I would rather have something like the Ninja Gaiden fanbase than something as toxic for the industry as the Pokemon fanbase: no matter how mediocre and poorly made the games get they always break sales records because they will buy anything with the Pokemon logo on its box.
>>7375556103RE is the hardest by far
>>737559425Lol no it’s not.
>>7375594255.2% MN clear lol it’s not even harder than NG4
>>737559631>>737559769>no healing>dogshit bosses>bugged steel on bone>those trialsyes it is and its not even closeNG4 has a lower % because its shit lmao
>>737559820How is still on bone bugged? I'm playing through right now after writing it off for a decade and it feels fine to me.The bosses are about 50/50, half are awful half are standard NG fare.
>>737559945steel on bone used to be very inconsistent, might be better now
>>737555514Hard starts out rough but you get in the groove and gets pretty easy. Master Ninja is a completely different ballpark though.
>>737560036Dude glows red, hit heavy attack, win fight.
>>737560135The spider tank walled me for about 30 minutes but the rest has been fairly smooth. Actually the big mech fight was annoying when he started flying. I hate bow bosses in NG.
>>737559392>They're the original, true fanbaselollmao even
>>737560257Isn't that NG3? I didn't like the fighter jet boss and the last room of the game filtered me for a hot minute
>>737559820>no healingthere's infinite healing with ninpo
>>737555460>Newfags out number the old guard 10:1If only that were true, perhaps this series's fan base would be saved.
>>737560617Delusion.
>>737555460what newfags? 99% of the discourse on this game is "OLD GAME GOOD"
>>737555460This game is extremely boring and not Ninja Gaiden at all. I started this game in November and I still haven't gotten around to finishing it.
>>737559769master ninja is very hard in razors edge. ultimate ninja is master ninja. play the games. percentages aside its clearly harder than ngb in terms of encounter intensity but its also more generous with checkpoints than ngb so I would say they are roughly equal when you consider that
>>737555460Koei tecmos fault for kicking out itagaki
>>737555514Just pirate it mate. MS gifted this to us for free; its solid and better than 99% of action games out there
>>737560428I'm not talking about youtubers. I'm talking about the people who actually played the first two games on their Xbox and 360. If they hated 4 due to not being like Black and vanilla 2, then they're right given how they're the true fans who were there from the start. I may have enjoyed the game but I'm still a tourist.
>>737555460Out of 3 streamers I know who like the franchise and are good at the games, 1 one of them had fun and thought it was the best Platinum game, 1 got really mad and rants how it's utter dogshit in detail, and 1 lazily dismissed it on dubious grounds after seemingly a couple of hours. So I don't think it's as much about new or old players, it's about how much do you like action games? or are you willing to pass up on major ones cause of minor grievances and fanboying?
>>737558990yeah its all a conspiracy. that new indian ceo is trying to bilk all the piss jug neets on 4chan. marketing research showed them this is the best place to spend their money. she's watching you right now
>>737555514It's by far the easiest of the Ninja Gaiden games available on PC. I am pretty shit at action games (for starters, I mostly play Soulslikes so that should tell you enough) and still I managed to clear this one's Master Ninja difficulty.
>>737561143>piss jug neets on 4chanNEETs are videogames' biggest consumers; unlike normal people they would rather skip meals over not buying a game. So yeah, it makes sense that Microsoft is targeting them.
>>737561389this. I mean neets also pirate constantly and have no money but im telling you man she's in the thread with us right now. pretty sure they drove by my apartment a couple times too
>>737561636>neets also pirate constantlyNo they don't. Piracy is a thing only on third world countries, where people can't afford to be NEETs. If you open the door of a NEET's room it will always be full of games and anime merch.
I'm a semi "old" fan that started with the original 2 back on 360 and I thought 4 was pretty good. My main complaint is still that I wish Ryu was the primary protagonist and had multiple weapons. It's definitely a solid action game in general though. It feels a little different but still mostly like NG in terms of gameplay. It doesn't really have that "fighting game" feel of the older ones but I don't think that automatically makes it bad since I enjoy a large variety of action games. I'm not some 2 elitist autist though, I like all versions of 2. If you guys want this style of action game dead then you only have yourselves to blame.
This is what I mean: this post >>737562183 reads like someone trying very hard to not hurt the other's person feelings because they tried even when the result was awful and in no way acceptable. Reminds me of the Armored Core fans talking about 6: they hated how that game was just Sekiro with guns but they had to swallow their own criticism out of fear of the franchise getting archived again (which still ended happening) rather than being honest and declaring how it was a bad game and a bad Armored Core game.
Ninja Gaiden Black is the only good game in this series. The rest is button masher slop.
>>737555610NGB2 is really easy thoughOnly momoji's chapter boss and elizebet were hardI played on path of the warrior for both
>>737562556I don't know what your problem is but I'm sorry for enjoying things? AC6 was great as well.
>>737555460You got filtered by NG4 because you couldn't manage a simple meter, lmao, just like farnham who got exposed during his stream.NG4 is one of the best games ever made.
>>737562873You're allowed to enjoy things. My point is, if we read between the lines it's pretty clear you acknowledge that NG4 is a bad game but you defend it because you don't want action games to go extinct, even if it means playing bad games. The true Ninja Gaiden fans would rather have the franchise disappear than embracing the direction 4 took.
>>737555460Good. The "fans" are retarded contrarians.>>737555792>I was okay with all the changes in the previous games but not with the changes in this oneThe real fans were just happy to get a new game with a decent budget.
>>7375594253 is only hard if you play it like NGthe game is slop
>>737563680>The real fans were just happy to get a new game with a decent budget.Yes, but they still hated 6. They were happy because they believed From Software would be finally free from the Souls mines and they would later get a new game that actually played like a true, proper Armored Core game. they didn't and From went into the online extraction multiplayer mines, which is as bad
>>737562556AC6 is a great game and you're a faggot.I also hate people that like franchises and want sequels. Those people are a cancer.
>>737563270I don't acknowledge that it's a bad game at all, it's a good game overall in my opinion. I can understand how older fans might not like Yakumo because I wasn't crazy about him at first either but that doesn't mean I think it's bad. I think you're trying to take my opinion and make it a binary "it's amazing" or "it's shit" when it's neither of those.
>>7375639286 is a true proper AC game.
>>737563928>they still hated 6.Evidence? I think most old fans loved the game.>they believed From Software would be finally free from the Souls mines and they would later get a new game that actually played like a true, proper Armored Core game.1. This is insane logic. Why would you get another game when you just got one, and why would that new game play completely different from the game they just made?2. Why is 6 not a proper AC game? All the previous AC games played differently from each other. Why this being different suddenly doesn't qualify it as a "proper" AC game?You're a huge faggot.
>>737559945iirc there used to be input drop issues on the consoles.megaselion red grabs are legit bugged tho. if you dodge, your SoB will always whiff.
>>737563958>"I don't acknowledge that it's a bad game at all">Immediately proceeds to shit on Yakumo, one of the game's most hated aspects See? You try so hard but you can't in good conscience talk positively about the game. Had 4 been commercially successful, you would get Ninja Gaiden sequels and new games that play like it and repeat its flaws and shortcomings, not games that go back to Black and 2's design and philosophies. Actual Ninja Gaiden fans knows it and that's why they repudiated 4 even when it would mean Ninja Gaiden's final death. >>737564084>>737564170No it isn't. It's Sekiro with guns, with a dash of Dark Souls. Many series do a lot of mechanical changes between entries but they're still recognizable as belonging to the franchise. Armored Core 6 wasn't.Just ask at any of the fans who started with the Playstation titles. Now that it's clear that Armored Core is not coming back they will be sincere about it.
>>737564407Ac1-Ac5 were different games but had the same fast paced, proactive shooter core design Ac6 is based on slow, close range reactive playstyle similar to souls.Which is why snipers dont exist in 6
>>737564482>if it has a bar, it's sekiro>ac6 wasn't recognizableYou are a clown.
>>737564801It had a stagger bar and the only goal during a fight was to deplete, which was the moment you were allowed to do big damage. It sounds like Sekiro to me.There is also the removal of turn speed, which is easily the biggest game changer; as much as a game changer as would be something like giving Dark Souls-esque stamina bars to Ninja Gaiden and limit you to three hits before having to wait for them to refill again. Of course you're a Souls secondary so you have no idea how the old Armored Core games played.
>6 is a true proper AC-K!
So let's go back to Ninja Gaiden 4. Let's see the biggest commercial failures of 2025:Assassins' Creed ShadowsVampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines 2Killing Floor 3AvowedMonster Hunter Wilds Ninja Gaiden 4You can't claim that Ninja Gaiden 4 was a game that was unfairly ignored even when it was excellent, because by the same logic then you can claim the same about Shadows or Bloodlines 2. Makes more sense that the game sucked so much people didn't want to buy it.
>>737565089Did you play Sekiro? It's very different.I know what the old AC played and it was shit, that's why I don't bother. maybe I will play the last ones one day, but certainly not the early ones.Either way, people that want sequels are a cancer. You are a cancer.I love Sekiro and Bloodborne. I don't want sequels and hate the imbeciles that ask for sequels. I want new games, so I can have more experiences like Sekiro and Bloodborne and less like Dark Souls 2 and 3.
>>737564482I'm not claiming to be a "true NG" fan but I do like the games and I thought 4 had both good things and bad things. The combat was very solid despite not feeling exactly like the other games. I'm sorry you didn't like it but stop trying to pretend to be a mind reader.As for you second part, no it was not "Sekiro with guns" whatsoever. I'm really starting to doubt that you've been playing games for very long and are just trying to stir shit up mister "true NG fan".
NG fans literally don't like anything. They can't even decide which version of the one game in the series they pretend to like is the good one.
>>737565140>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO MOVE AROUND OTHERWISE THE GAME IS UNRECONIZABLE AND LITERALLY UNPLAYABLEDo you ever realize how pathetic you are? Do you ever have moments of self-awareness?
>>737559392>they're the true original fanbaseAre they though? The franchise was around before the Xbox game, which itself was a "modern audience" reboot of a classic, that changed everything.
>>737565683>NOOOOO STOP COMPLAINING THAT THEY TURNED THE GAME INTO DOGSHIT IT'S NOT IMPORTANT THAT THEY TURNED THE GAME INTO DOGSHIT JUST CONSOOOOOOOM
>>737558990Apparently a lot of people on /v/ did love NG4. I've played the previous 3 mainline Ninja Gaiden games over a decade ago and I still think this is the best one.
Remember when armored core used to be a contest of 3D maneuverability and mech control instead of an autotracking staggerslop?
>>737565553See what I mean? >"I thought 4 had both good things and bad things"You can't avoid unconsciously acknowledge that 4 was shit. You explicitly called it mediocre but we know that mediocre things and bad things are pretty much the same (you wouldn't buy a gun that jams 50% of the times!) and none of your post actually call it a good game. You use the word "solid" which is participation award bullshit.If the game had been good it would have been commercially successful, but it wasn't. As simple as that.
>>737565794>IF THE ROBOT DOESN'T TURN IT'S DOGSHIT YOU HEAR ME? DOGSHIT!Troons make more sense than you with their unhinged genocide talk.
>>737565089The goal is to shoot/hit things until they die while trying to avoid damage yourself, it doesn't matter what bar is going down because shooting things is helping you reach that goal either way. Stagger is just a reward for aggressive sustained offensive that lets you make an opening for a larger burst of damage. This mechanic doesn't somehow make it not AC anymore and Sekiro didn't invent the concept of stagger in the first place.
>>737565849>Apparently a lot of people on /v/ did love NG4Literally false. The game was flamed from day one; almost Silent Hill f levels of flaming.
>>737564482>you can't in good conscience talk positively about the game.Is it too hard for you to understand something can have flaws and still be good overall? The post you're whining doesn't talk positively about the game says "it's a good game."
>>737565861>w-what if we make mech speed a worthless factor in the game and just make it so the game automatically tracks the enemies????
>>737565861>dude, I want to play an arena shooter, but not reallyI do not get the market for this genre of game.I guess just weebs, who refuse to ever pick up a western shooter.
What causes this in ng threads
>>737565934In Sekiro you're not even dealing damage after a stagger, he's stupid and doesn't know what he's talking about.
>>737565895Jesus dude, just fuck off already. I said it was good overall in the previous post and calling it "solid" is a positive remark.
>>737565934>The goal is to shoot/hit things until they die while trying to avoid damage yourself, it doesn't matter what bar is going down because shooting things is helping you reach that goal either way.By that logic Gears of War and Bloodborne are exactly the same game because you shoot guns and try to kill things while avoiding damage.
>>737565089turn speed stopped mattering with 4 lol.
>>737566000I don't care about one Redditor posting 1000 times a day about how he hates it because Itagaki didnt make it and then posts porn in threads about it. I said that because there's a game of the year vote running and NG4 placed like top 5. The fact that there's not a lot of posts here about it tells you nobody wants to talk to people obsessed with NG2.
>>737566064>d-dude who cares about movement in a mech game???? just strafe sideways like a soulslop and then boost magnetically
>>737566048If it has flaws then it can't be good. >>737566105Your posts are more about the negative things about the game, which makes pretty clear not even you believe it is a good game. I mean, you can pinpoint where the game fails while being unable to say where it succeeds, using a nebulous "it's solid" remark.
>>737565601Retard. It has been known for over a decade now that Ninja Gaiden Black and Ninja Gaiden II are the best versions, wtf are you talking about?
>>737555460Good but not a real Ninja Gaiden game. Itagaki is dead and team Ninja only knows how to make Ni-Oh games, which I seriously don't like very much. I liked Ni-Oh 1 but that was enough for me. Team Ninja's art direction is always shit, music is shit, level design always complete and total dogshit, combat overrated as fuck. Team Ninja could stop making games forever and I wouldn't give a shit. Same with Platinum.
>>737566249>there's a game of the year vote running and NG4 placed like top 5.The /v/gas are just tripfag circlejerks; they don't represent /v/ as a whole. Do you honestly believe that the board would have played shit like Dustborn so they could give it objective votes? And if Ninja Gaiden 4 was so popular, then why it wasn't the best selling game of 2025?
>>737566127I really hope you're only pretending to be retarded.
>>737564407>>737564491AC6 really is niggershit for secondaries. Even worse than NG4 in that iconoclast aspect.>>737563217>>737563934Kill your whole subhuman family.
>>737566519I'm not the one that claims how doing mechanical changes so profound that turn a game into something belonging to a different franchise isn't a big deal.
>tfw my turn speed is infinite
>>737566590Ninja Gaiden 4 is amazing, best Ninja Gaiden game.Armored Core VI Fires of Rubicon is amazing, best Armored Core game.
>>737566489They don't represent /v/ as a whole, but if it received 500 game of the year votes in a /v/ poll, 500 people liked it a lot. I don't really care if Timmy chose to buy it over Fortnite bucks. On /v/, I care that some people on /v/ have played it and have something of value to say about it. There's something to be said about its sales, but if anything, I'm glad it wasn't another Call of Duty game.
>>737566937>if it received 500 game of the year votes in a /v/ poll, 500 people liked it a lot.Can you prove that those 500 people actually played it? Because it makes more sense that they simply choose the game that wasn't Expedition 33 or Donkey Kong Bananza out of sheer contrarianism. Meanwhile right now we have a thread with 97 posts where almost all of them are negative and the only two people defending the game either clearly considers it mediocre or is just a troll.
>>737566784Death to the modern audience.
>>737566606It's more like you're ignoring every other aspect of the game and thinking that one simple mechanic makes it "Sekiro with guns". I don't remember Sekiro having mechs, a sci-fi setting, mission-based format, boosting around with flight and aerial mobility, highly advanced firearms, mech customization, or any of that. But I guess because the enemy stops moving after hitting it for a while, that now makes it Sekiro because the enemies in that game sometimes stop moving after hitting them as well? Everything about 6 was still AC except this time your mechs turn a little faster and you can make the the enemy stop moving so I guess it's not AC anymore? Get the fuck out of here and play more games. If you genuinely thought it was going to play exactly like one of the PS2 games down to a T then you're retarded, the series already had various game-play shifts with 4 and 5.
>>737555514I found 4 a lot harder than the others but I'm ass at parries/deflectsIn terms of difficulty (IMO) 4 > 3RE >>> 1 > 2 > 2 Black/Sigma
>use the tracking thrusting weapon>it tracks the enemywuh??
>>737566251>>737566064>w-what if I make up lies, will people even call me out on it?
>>737567172It doesn't make more sense that they all chose that specific game without ever playing it. There might be 100 options on the poll in question. Even if 2 of those are avoided just to be contrarian, that's a 98 way contest. Getting top 5 finish in that is impressive.
>>737556194The old guard is composed of millenials and boomers and most didn't even play it, they either grew out of gaming or would rather play dad games like nugow on normal, or ghost of yotei which came out the same month as zoomer gaiden.
>>737569185>tracking thrusting weaponEvery weapon is magnetized in this slop, tranny.
>>737569185>thrusting>180 turn
>>737566590The brainless franchisetard is mad.>>737566606It's customizable robots shooting at each other. It's still the same genre.
>>737569595>why is the game not bad?>we don't do that here at NG!
>>737563217>farnham who got exposed during his stream.Qrd?
>>737571691All the so called Ninja Gayden players got real shy when four released. Curious.
